ECHO EPISODE 5 REACTION!! 1x05 Finale Breakdown & Review | Post-Credits & Ending Explained | Kingpin
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Echo 1x5 Reaction, Recap, Breakdown, Commentary, Analysis, Easter Eggs, Spoiler Review, & Ending Explained for the MCU series where we get a Mid-Credits scene that may connect to Thunderbolts, Spider-Man, & Daredevil Born Again after having the the return of Vincent D'Onofrio as Wilson Fisk (Kingpin), Charlie Cox Matt Murdock (Daredevil), & of course Alaqua Cox as Maya Lopez as we explore the aftermath of Hawkeye, the origins of the Choctaw nation, Maya's Powers Explained as she dawns a new costume / suit, fight scenes, cast members from Reservation Dogs into the fray with possible tie-ins to What If Season 2. Marvel Studios Echo is apart of the Marvel Phase 5 which will feature Deadpool 3 with Ryan Reynolds & Hugh Jackman Wolverine, X-men, Fantastic Four, Avengers Secret Wars, & MORE.
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6/10
Great Series!!
Echo is so badass!!!
Coy what’s thoughts on Kingpin’s story inspired by Devil’s Reign Comic run. If so, what parts of the comics will be in the MCU, and what would be adapted. PLEASE BRING BACK COY’S COMIC CORNER!!!!
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The actors who play the grandparents are Graham Greene and Tantoo Cardinal. They played Kicking Bird the medicine man and his wife in Dances With Wolves. Seeing them together again 30 years later was the highlight of this great show for me.
I knew it! I kept saying g to myself. That's gotta be her
Graham Greene is a legend
I will check that out someday. But if anyone's played Red Dead Redemption 2 before, you may recognise Graham Greene as the voice of Rains Fall. As soon as I heard him speak, I thought he sounded familiar, then I looked it up and it clicked.
Since (somehow) the show’s calling card of grounded, awesome fighting was abandoned in ep1, this also became my favorite part of the show too.
Jesus I knew I recognized them! My whole childhood introduction to native American culture (I am an indigenous Australian)
I understood the ending. It worked for me because. Maya ain't beating KingPin.. thats not happening. Her mother had a healing gift.
She was trying to show him he could let that anger behind. Shit scared tf out him. On another level.
Her mother choosing the moment of her passing to use as the calming flashback makes me think the replaced the scaring image of her moms ending and replacing it with a moment of peace and calmness ridding her of her guilt and rage was super impactful.
Yes the symbolism and depth of her healing abilities goes so deep. Powerful
Oh damn I didn’t think about that, that’s so smart
Maya showed Kingpin the Echos of his past. I think she was trying to break him out of his own mental hell. He's still reliving the memory his father hurting his mother even day. She also showed him the memory of the ice cream vendor. He remembers every kill knowing it was wrong but what's the mindset he's in he still loses himself to his rage. She tried and failed. Instead of trying to erase what's been trapping him behind his own self-made prison bars, instead of trying to leave the worst of his own instincts, he's to afraid. He'd rather stay a rabbit in a snowstorm. I really liked what they tried to do even though it was executed kind of sloppily. Still I do stand by the fact that I think they treated the Legacy characters perfectly and overall I really did like this show. It is still very messy and has a lot of flaws but it had really cool action and character moments. 7.5/10 for the whole show in my opinion!
I would have love to have seen Maya's character parallel his story throughout. Rather than become the person he became, she would find a way to break free of her own rage.
@@rode8927i think they tried to do that with the queenpin thing, but i feel like we didn't see enough of her doing awful things in her past, and her capability to do awful things, so it didnt land quite right.
Now Kingpin is going to become a mayor of New York and he's going to manipulate every cops around the city to eliminate all street level heroes and antiheroes.
I was very iffy on the way Fisk was acting in that mind scene, but then I realized this is supposed to be how he was as a kid, just now being played by his older self. Truly showing he's still the child that couldn't tolerate the violence in his own home and wanted out
@@gajaan316 Ugh! I can see now why my mom hate that monster Kingpin.
This is interesting for kingpin since its the first time he met someone with flat out superpowers. This could make him more cautious and deadly in the daredevil show when dealing with daredevil or the other defenders
Or using political influence to make the people turn on heroes like he does in Devil’s Reign which they seem to be setting up now.
Also plays into the platform of his mayoral campaign. If the rumours are true, he’s cracking down on heroes and vigilantes so makes sense
Fisk knows that Matt is Daredevil if the Netflix series is canon. Then why not reveal it to the entire world if not directly, but indirectly or putting a bounty of Matt's head like he did with Maya. I know that in the comics also Kingpin knows that Matt is DD but didn't reveal it to everyone for some reason (I forgot). Maybe that's the case here?
Or some parts of the Netflix show is not canon like Fisk knowing Matt's secret?
@@Mythical.HistoryIn the comics he didn’t reveal his identity just so he can ruin him internally. Matt was unable to use his Law license, can’t use his bank account, his apartment got destroyed leaving him homeless, his friends were in constant danger. He was basically trying to ruin Matt’s life bit by bit, doing it behind the scenes.
@@feathermanr7577 Ok! Now I remember. That's the plot for Born Again. I also remember another storyline where Fisk's son reveals Daredevil's identity to someone (I don't remember who) and eventually the secret was out all over the city. Media was at front of his house most of the time and he even had to visit court to deny that he was Daredevil. And since Fisk's son reveals DD's identity without him knowing, Fisk killed his son (if I remember correctly). I think it's the Bendis run. I loved this storyline. Though I don't remember how Matt made everyone forget that he was Daredevil
I love that not only does Maya have powers now, but that the name Echo now means that her ancestors now *ECHO* through her, giving her the skills and abilities her ancestors had.
It’s actually beautiful when you think about it. She is the literal living legacy of her people.
Cringe. There's on the nose then there's just beating you to death with a metaphor. The mystical element of this show was definitely the latter.
@@pieceofgosa so you would rather her be another copycat like Taskmaster? And I can tell you didn’t connect because you aren’t Native American. Look at how the Choctaw nation has loved this show.
@@pieceofgosaWow, I can certainly see *your* ancestors echoing through you.
@@thedarkknight2221we should be Native American to connect? You sir are fucking stupid. Shows ass
@@thedarkknight2221I’d rather her not just be another Shazam,I mean what even is her power? Lmao 🤣
Im glad I can enjoy something without giving two sh*** of what other people think. Unfortunately, not everyone has that ability.
@@viperkillz_jdm7314no.
@@viperkillz_jdm7314take ya own advice bud
This! I deleted social media and things are much more enjoyable when you don’t have random internet users in your ear telling you what to think
@@viperkillz_jdm7314yet you’re the one who commented on a comment of someone enjoying something so it sounds like YOU can’t handle other opinions
Doesn’t this comment contradict itself😂
I want to give props to Alaqua(sp) Coxs acting abilities. Up to this point, her face has mainly conveyed anger and inner pain. A general uneasiness around most others. But her face at the end showed those were no longer there. I was really taken aback at that moment.
I loved this show being a Mexican and Native American. It was the ground level show I’m glad we got. Love her character and Kingpin hits home because I was beaten very badly as a child by my mom and dad. Sad shit.. Yet her story is so awesome and I can’t wait to see more of her and Kingpin.
Also, thanks Greg/John for letting this 38yr old OIF disabled Army vet/lifelong Marvel fan be a moderator. I appreciate you both very much, thank you. I know it’s not anything huge but it’s big to me. Hope I can meet you both when I come back home out west soon. You guys are great, thank you. 🫡
If the "Skip Credits" button pops up when the end credits roll, there is a post credit scene. Disney+ has been doing this since at least when MultiVerse of Madness started streaming.
I honestly feel like this last episode ended more in a hurry to even get time to settle with emotions properly. I would've liked more kingpin and to show his emotional side, giving it some time to struggle with it, making it more detailed and with time. I definitely would have loved 6 episodes in this. Otherwise, This is such an amazing show, it's more grounded and earthy than the rest of the MCU. Weirdly, it feels breathable at its own pace rather than trying to compete and get along with the whole narrative of MCU and I loved it.
Not gonna lie, the scene with Maya and her Mom had me crying.
Same, I lost my mom a few years ago and just found the whole scene beautiful. It really resonated with me
Likewise
Same.
Same!
Sucker
I didn’t see the need for a show about her when they first announced Echo. Thought she was cool in Hawkeye, but didn’t really care for her. This show did a great job making you care about her and Alaqua Cox is fantastic. I really hope we see more of her in the MCU.
Echos powers is her ancestors echoing through her and using there abilities does that mean she's now the mcu version of deku with one for all
Loved all the characters but definitely would have changed how the ending would have worked out, the series was a lot better then I thought it would be though!
Loki S2, What If…? S2 and Echo truly are the breat of fresh air that I need from Marvel and MCU. Hopefuly we will see Echo and her family more in the greater MCU moving forward!
Calling it: Kingpin will be Mayor, the villain of Spider-Man 4, will fund the Thunderbolts and will outlaw superheroes, making a partnership with Val.
Coy said the same & while I love him, I think you both are reaching hard with that theory. That’s legitimately what Thunderbolt Ross’ role is gonna be (the team is literally named after him).
He’s gonna become President + Red Hulk, so I don’t see a need for 2 villainous political figures to be linked to banning heroes & teaming with the Contessa to launch the Dark Avenger Initiative. I think Mayor Kingpin will more than likely play a role in DD: Born Again.
If anything, I’d build him as the big bad of the street-level Defenders aka Heroes for Hire. I’d plant seeds throughout all the projects, especially the Spider-Man college trilogy with his villains & some of his allies.
Silver Sable could be his private security who eventually turns & helps Peter. You can maybe even have Fisk form an exclusive alliance with other major crime bosses & lead them as his Sinister Six, but his end goal would be a gang war in NYC. The main Heroes for Hire team would consist of:
- Spider-Man
- Daredevil
- The Punisher
- Jessica Jones
- Luke Cage
- Iron Fist
- Echo
As much as i expected a huge showdown at the end, this was even better. The scene where she takes off her coat and summons her ancestors gave me such a chill, it was overwhelming. I hope u guys felt that too.
It was really great. So much better than the usual generic fight scenes
Kingpin leaving immediately after what Maya used her powers makes sense as he has never faced anyone with abilities, I wished for just a little bit of a fight between Maya and Fisk but we don’t need to rush that yet, the reception this show has gotten, we’re definitely getting a season 2 and we can get that in there, having Fisk retreat because he didn’t want to face his own internal conflict is a smart move, loved this show, I would’ve loved for an extra episode but I think making a show with less episodes to focus on the main story is what this show needed to be and it succeeded 9/10 for just due to how each scene had me invested
Echo earned to be 6 episodes instead of 5. 7.8/10 wouldn’t mind a season 2 💯💯
Man, it breaks my heart that Marvel didn't have the faith that this series deserved because there were seriously some POWERFUL aspects and messages here. It's so obvious something truly great was filmed and was just chopped to bits. The rumors about Marvel deeming this "unreleasable" at 6 episodes confuses the hell out of me now because I loved so much of this and feel like some extra breathing room (another episode) would have really turned it into something special.
I loved the sound design, the cinematography, the score (especially Fisk's theme), the costume design, the performances, the callbacks to Daredevil with Fisk's history, the overall gritty tone, the beautiful imagery, and the inspiring story of the Choctaw, so, so much. But, I cannot believe how badly this was butchered in the editing room. It's so obvious scenes are just missing and I honestly have no idea why they aren't there. I truly think that if Marvel had faith in this show and had given it the full 6 episode treatment, it would have been one of my favorite things they have put out in years. I enjoyed watching this show so much, but the sky high potential here really just irks me to no end.
Post credit scene does set up Born Again nicely I guess.
For a show that was supposedly going to be scrapped: I really enjoyed this show.
Ok before I even start the video imma say: I LOVED THIS! Like I loved the whole thing top to bottom. As far as the last episode goes I could see one thing being criticized as like corny which is when the power is shared with Bonnie and Chula but honestly it worked for me they are in the same maternal blood line in danger and the ancestors are filling the room it’d be weird if they played favorites with Maya based on the rules they’ve established but she just has more skills thus elevating maya to Echo hero status. I’ll also say that final set piece had me STRESSED like if one Native person died at that powwow I was ready to riot that had me on the edge of my seat questioning Maya’s choices rooting hard for Henry and Biscuits on the side. Overall great stuff!
Lot of power in this finale. I really, really loved this series. Solid 9/10 for me
You’re really weird
@@thatmovieguy1319how?! For loving this series?!
@@webgeek919 naaaaahhhhh for liking it…
@@thatmovieguy1319 Someone has an opinion thats not yours, how dare they!
@@thatmovieguy1319crazy how you have movie in your name and know nothing about them and tv
"We did you do to me?"
She tried to do for you what you did for her when you handed her the hammer. She tried to free you from your demons.
Some wonder women 1984 ending right there that’s the first thing I thought of 😅
@@RedKingdom28I know it was so stupid and then he just left
@Isaacisaperson4677 Kingpin's reaction makes sense. He was conflicted and scared that Maya's infiltration of his heart woild make him would leave him truly vulnerable. He'd lose the nature of who he is, and given they both share a relationship as father and daughter, allowing himself to be further involved with her would virtually expose him as a big softie.
This show was pretty good overall! So excited to see Kingpin as The Mayor of New York in Daredevil: Born Again! 👍
Yes a crying Kingpin who wants to be killed. Such a great character.
@@roboninja3194 shut up fool
@@roboninja3194 yeah, kingpin is gonna be such a cool and huge addition to the mcu world
Love this show. Ironically it was TV MA buy the characters had more warmth and depth to them than most Marvel shows. Btw three decent Marvel shows in a row now. Loki What If and Echo
Loki isn't just decent thats a bit of an understatement.
@@Greenhawk4 season 2 wasn't amazing as people seem to think. Definitely good but season 1 is king
My point is critics pan shows rightly pr wrongly. Some are even looking for reasons to fail this one too
@@joebond545 you clearly just don’t understand it. I mean if most people say the same thing then it’s true because if a bunch of people with different tastes and likes and stuff can all say the same thing and can feel the same way it definitely says something.
@@Greenhawk4 The ratings say otherwise. Loki season 2 lost 40% of it's audience from season 1. Echo's ratings will be awful. You can enjoy this content all you want and continue living in this bubble where ya believe these shows are a huge success but back in reality it's simply not true.
This show was good. Definitely better than some of the past projects. I feel like the end where they tease Kingpin will become Mayor will definitely be brought up in Born Again, Young Avengers and definitely Spider-Man 4
I loved this. I do agree the side characters had a bit more charisma than Maya most episodes, and it seemed very very short. I like how the C.G.I was held back and only used for small things. But I wasnt a fan of the ending and I felt it was like they tried to stage a boss fight where...they both walked away.......? Which was an odd choice.
The Only thing that I can think of after this finale is Devils Reign. Did anyone else thats seen Daredevil think that the scene where Maya was pointing a gun Fisk while in the barn felt oddly reminiscent of Karen and Wesley
Idk why marvel didnt just treat this like the other shows but i personally really enjoyed what Echo was. Only things i didn't like were the powers, still no explanation on Vanessa, and Mayas new suit. I do want more of this kind of mcu tho. Give it 100% maximum effort next time Marvel.
always appreciate you guys being honest about your opinions, you're one of the few channels that feels genuine on what their thoughts are on media, whether you like or dislike something. Personally I really liked the show, I appreciate how it tried to do it's own thing in a time where many marvel projects feel similar
Their “honesty” is them being half blinded by the BS they’ve been given and they eat that up so much it’s shameful
@@Blacknight6577 give me an example of this. Just because they don’t agree with your all mighty and humble opinion, my lord, doesn’t mean they have a “wrong” one. They usually explain why they like something afterwards, so your point is already pretty moot.
@@holycowthatsoutofthisworld3831 just look at all the reactions to the previous Marvel projects and they’re just eating it up even if it’s decent. They never say it’s bad when most other people say it is and what’s funny is that even people younger than them would say that too. Everyone has their opinions for sure, but then u realize how low their standards are, how much they accept all of this so easily, or I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re paid to say good things about it. I mean look at how they enjoyed She Hulk for god’s sake
@@Blacknight6577 she hulk was a funny show with some decent set up the internet has decided to ignore. These guys watch content for a fun time, like they should. They’re a reaction channel, if they spent the whole time shitting on everything, it would be painful to watch. They usually save their criticisms until the end of the video.
What would you rate the series out of 10?
6.6/10 if you had no hope for the show don't expect Daredevil to be as good/better.
5. 6 if I'm being generous. Another bad finale episode from a D+ show imo.
You guys are going crazy reacting to horrible writing, bad choreography and no innovation with the MA rating. Very disappointed and felt like marvel we already know. 4/10
6/10, agree with most people here, it was alright.
8/10
Daredevil/Echo future project title - Hear No Evil, See No Evil
That title kinda clean.
We know for a fact they are doing Mayor Fisk in Daredevil Born Again it was shown in set photos and we've heard it for at least a year also the Netflix shows were made cannon they got added to the Disney Plus MCU timeline in the Infinity Saga
Coy: "They each wrote a sentence!!" LMAO!!!!!! So glad to have gone on this Marvel journey with you three!!!! THANKS for this!!!!!
Echo was a great backstory. Can expect much craziness from backstories and I love it
I was 100% w/it right up until the finale. They lost me when she distributed her powers to her grandmother and cousin. There was obviously more exposition somewhere in deleted footage that could have explained this more.
I mean the grandmother obviously would have it but not sure about bonnie
The only reason I could see Bonnie getting access to the power is that she is Maya’s cousin meaning she’s connected to the Grandma’s lineage as well. It just flows more directly through Maya, bc of the unique birth of her mom
Mostly enjoyed this series. You can really tell some actors put their all into learning signing. As a deaf lead actress, I'm not sure about her acting choice to sign only using her hands since body movement and facial expressions are such a large part of the language. The show should have had more episodes with longer episodes to really let the characters breathe, especially Maya's story. I wasn't a fan of completely changing Maya's powers and killing off her father so late in her life. Kingpin being basically a surrogate father is so powerfy for her journey into becoming who she is. Also removing her ability to read lips. I don't think she healed Kingpin's trauma in the end since Kingpin doesn't have the connection to his family and past. She probably offered the chance but he didn't take it as her mother spoke to her as if it was a choice Maya needed to take herself.
Also, I loved that the white wall he was staring at cracking in his memory calls back to the painting he would look at when he met Vanessa in Daredevil.
This episode added much needed development for maya and for fisk. Fisk now will be much more wary of superpowers going foward and all the rumours that he becomes mayor and bans superheros so he cant lose control again like he did in this situation are probably trye.This was one of the rare cases i think the main villain losing was actually needed to make them even stronger.
Lmaooo that mic grab 😂 I think it is wildly underrated that they managed to make that final scene with fisk so immersive from the pov of her being a deaf person. There was no actual dialogue but the tension was WILD!
I liked everything, Maya superpower and suit being a legacy to her people and her superhero name being connected to her superpower felt natural and part of the progression of her character, 9/10 for me for sure.
If this show is a 9/10 then what is Infinity War, Winter Soldier, Civil War? When you rate everything a 9/10 or 10/10 you sound like a shill.
@@roboninja3194people have their own opinions and their own experiences. If they think it’s a 9/10 that’s fine u think it’s a 2/10 that’s fine. There’s no need to pick up someone for liking something
Echo sure seems like a great show. You've all had a great time watching it.
For those of you who say this isnt wat you wanted or this was a waste of resources i hope marvel continues to dissapoint you. If you cant find the value in a show like this that definetly wasnt bad at all than i think your opinions should just be chucked straight in the trash. Alot of the marvel fandom tend to find them selves over reacting and acting like children when they dont get another iron man movie or a wolverine adventure. Imo this show is about an 8/10 but ill but bump it up to a 9 cause it'll make "those fans" mad lol
Saying its not what you wanted doesnt mean you cant see the value in it. The show fell short of expectations for a lot of people, that means Marvel should listen to them MORE than just yes people that say dont worry about criticism youre perfect. You are hurting the company because you are telling them to not try to improve when their bulk audience is begging them to grow. Calling a show a lot of people believe is mediocre amazing just for the very fact others are calling it mediocre is not good for anybody. If you truly believe its an 8 then thats fine, its your opinion, but its just idiotic to bump your score for the sole purpose of angering people. Be genuine with it and people will be much more willing to listen and try to understand what you are saying so they can try to help the company know its strengths.
@@WereSquatch so individuals who enjoyed the project are just yes men who do anything to stand up for marvel. Why should marvel hear the opinions of people who clearly hate on certain projects for blatantly obnoxious reasons.i can tell by the comments left under this video as well as some of their other videos that these people who claim to want marvel to return to its glory days won't except anything else although marvel has moved passed those points. Why should marvel appeal to people who only care about projects if it revolves around certain limited characters and tells repeated stories. They only want loki they only want og avengers they only want daredevil. Even if marvel gives it to them they find some reason to be upset about it.
I agree with you! We are on the same side. I'm done of this Fandom toxicity even some YT vloggers too , always complaining
This is one of my new favorite Shows! I'm emotionally involved with Echo now!
Coy thinking this is a set up for Thubderbolts is one of the main problems of the MCU. (Not attacking coy btw he’s not wrong for thinking that)
Another thing to consider is that Echo does not have to return to New York. She’s on tribal land under tribal laws. She could very well remain in Tamaha away from the Hell’s Kitchen and New York’s underbelly. Doesn’t mean that a new threat couldn’t face her and Choctaw Nation there. But I could also see Marvel creating a space where Native American heroes from the comics can respectfully breathe in the MCU.
I’ve watched your reactions for years. You’re the only reaction channel I watch because you guys are true to your honest opinion. Also the emotion is so felt in your reactions. Thank you for what you do!
I think the ending was underwhelming but up there with Loki Season 2 loved this show can’t wait to see these characters in DD BA
Why was it underwhelming, what would’ve been a better ending?
@@WDFilms25 I think we needed more. This probably should've either been a shorter show or a longer one.
@@WDFilms25 I jus didn't see Maya instantly defeat Fisk with the healing power I thought they were going to fight to the death then she heals him so not to much different I jus didn't expect Fisk to get taken out again so easily. I think this and Loki Season 2 are tied for my favorite MCU Shows
@@WDFilms25it was rushed
So here’s the thing, it’s not about him getting taken out easily, Maya is his weakness. His love for her allowed her to easily shoot him when he would’ve killed so many others. And through Maya’s moment with her mom she learned to let go of her anger and she tried to do it for him but it didn’t fully take. It wasn’t about a fight to the death it was about ending the cycle of violence Fisk and his father, Maya and her father.
That woodpecker was like Maya's bat-signal 😂
For a specific group of people who dislike this show, just know that we can see your ancestors "echoing" through you😐
I liked the show, but you realize someone who doesn’t can not like it without any racial annotations right? Sheesh.
its dogshit marvel slop keep eating it piggy
Your idiotic comments are all over the place.
@@HistorySkate
I'm aware. This comment is for a very specific group of people.
@@Urmumlel7025 “For everyone…”
God you people are exhausting
It makes sense why the Grandma could access or receive the power from Maya. The only reason I could see Bonnie getting access to the power is that she is Maya’s cousin meaning she’s connected to the Grandma’s lineage as well. It just flows more directly through Maya, bc of the unique birth of her mom. Just my guess tho🤷♂️. I enjoyed the series more than i thought I would and I actually like Echo (Maya) as a character a lot more after this series. Just wish that it had a couple more episodes so that it wasn’t as rushed
I agree that Bonnie's connection is also through the same female line. Probably her grandmother and Maya's grandmother are sisters even though it's not mentioned. That explanation of how they were all connected was very powerful. I really enjoyed this series.
Question: Do you know if "Marvel's Spotlight" is just more mature limited shows? I took it as a separate branch where they will do put a spotlight mixing origins and solo character development in a limited arc. Literally putting a spotlight on the character. So say once Mutants come out, they can do a Marvel Spotlight on some villains or heroes or just people in between. Maybe even the humans who have to deal with superheroes for work. Like imagine a Night Nurse Spotlight, or a Mystique Spotlight or even a Shi'ar Empire spotlight. Stores that can provide background so the movies aren't so padded with exposition for different characters now that the universe is expanding with more teams and possibly team villains. I forgot... Was Elsa Bloodstone a Spotlight? Or just a Feature?
Marvel Spotlight is a series of shows where they focus on specific small stories, mainly street level. And this was the first one
My thought was that the spotlight brand is for whenever they drop a series all at once. This is the first time they've done that
did you guys notice the cgi scene with dare devil when he drops into a push up and bounces back? or just me? XD it was very blatant and no one mentioned it.
That wasn’t cgi it was a stunt
Echo is the codex now. They really do a good job with exploring the cultural and familial aspects really well. It's a modern noir storyline.
I liked the show but the finale which was good too was a bit rushed and was hard to follow at times.
As a Navajo, I liked the Choctaw cultural representation, but overall, I was disappointed in the story and character of Echo. The show really failed to make me care for her, at all. It felt like they didn't know what to do with the character. Apparently, she wanted to become the new Queen, but why? What was her motivation? We're constantly told she has rage, but that is never really shown enough throughout the show. I think we needed more parallels between her and Fisk and showing how she was heading down the same road as him. I wasn't a fan of her getting powers and instantly knowing how to use them. She didn't really struggle in a way that made me feel like she "earned" them. And there was more exposition than anything that prevented me from really feeling those emotional moments in the show the way that I should have. I'm torn. I really wanted this to prove itself as being in the MCU, but it just feels forgettable.
I'm in the mindset that people can like what they like, all things being subjective but for me (I repeat...for me) everything you wrote is what I think has been wrong in the writing department at Disney in general for many years now. They have been regurgitating the same story over and over again, just swapping the characters and that's pretty much it. The depth, the inner struggles and the real challenges are spread thin now and it's always the same: The main protagonist is good at everything from the get-go without any plausible explanations, can beat up everyone without any real struggles, will never question themselves, often comes across as super arrogant and obnoxious, audiences are always told how the characters is by other characters without never showing it and the list goes on. Nothing is earned. We're supposed to like the characters because the show/or movie tells us to. Regardless if it's Star Wars, Pixar or the MCU, you'll find this recipe in everything now. It's not endearing nor interesting. It's unrelatable and bland. It's just lazy writing. The big drop in viewership on D+ and last year box office confirmed that a vast majority of fans bailed (me included). It's not a coincidence that they put on the brakes on pretty much every projects. I could be totally wrong, but I think they will course correct tin the next 3-4 years and they will come back with quality products that people want.
Echo gained the ultimate millenial superpower, healing generational trauma
15:38 the eyes don’t lie and the guy on the right is dead 😂
I wonder if the "Other Heads" Fisk refers to in the post credit scene, could possibly be the Cabal. And perhaps some of the Heads could include Justin Hammer, who will be returning in Armor Wars and The Hood, who will be debuting in the Ironheart series. Not sure who else could fill the ranks of that group, but I think it would make sense for someone like Fisk, who typically operates from the shadows, doing his own dirty work when absolutely necessary or personal to him, to work with likeminded villains.
Coy goes from his mic, to playing with his stache lol - bro you need a fidget
I WISH it had been Bonnie instead of the mom. Then her and Maya could've had a moment and make her character have a reason to exist.
The guys won't see this but they should go check out Native Media Theory. He had some short interviews with cast and creators, including Sydney Freeland, the director. They're really great because he comes at his questions from the Native American perspective and it's nice to learn especially Sydney Freeland and the issues with the representation in the comics and why they went with making her family of the Choctaw Nation.
David Mack, Coy? SUCH great taste 😉 But in all seriousness - found myself explaining to my housemate, who's the actual Marvel fan, that I've known about Echo for years (not details so much as aware of her existence) simply from seeing David Mack covers, because I love his work 🙂
I had so much fun watching you guys react to Echo
Lot of people misunderstanding her powers. She doesn’t have “healing powers” all of a sudden and she didn’t “give” her cousin powers. She’s mimicking the abilities/skills of her ancestors. Her powers come from the first ancestor which is a Choctaw creation story. She can mimic each ancestor. Each descendant of Chafa gets a gift. Chafa started with great strength. Lowak has cunning. Tuklo has great precision. Taloa has healing. Maya can mimic those before her
You're both half right about the post-credits. they are going back to how it worked with the Netflix shows. the movies can affect the spotlights but the spotlights won't affect the movies.
Anyone feel like disney should edit some shows into special event movies? hawkeye, ms marvel, falcon and winter soldier as two hour movies could boost upcoming new release movies.
i think you're exactly right. Most of the worst gore/violence was single shots, cutaway stuff. The big fight scenes weren't actually that bloody.....
I think the re-shoots was making it tv-ma
Best thing about this is that it OFFICIALLY makes Netflix' Daredevil CANON, and that means all the other shows are too. Which therefore means that The Punisher show is canon, which makes me the most happy ...
I always love Coy’s visions for the future of the MCU. They really should listen to him. 😅
The concept of Echo is a lot like the Avatar in Airbender, except it's a lineage instead of reincarnation.
I think in terms of Marvel lore, there was a magic or mystical power-source in that glowing pool that Chafa drank from (she was the only one seen drinking it before they crossed to this world) and its energy is transferring from mother to daughter with every generation.
I have to say I was skeptical when they announced that they were going to do a Marvel Cinematic Version of Echo because of the direction that they took Echo in the comics. She inherited the Phoenix Force which is usually an X-men Power. Here her powers were far more connected to her heritage. Her code name also made more sense here as she contains an echo of her lineage rather then being a female version of Taskmaster as she was in the comics before she became a Phoenix.
I thought it was a decent wrap up to the story and hope that we get the chance to see more of her character in the upcoming Daredevil series.
It was cool how she was able to harness the power of her ancestors and hope that maybe they might have the character and actress learn more technique to improve her combat skills even more.
I can't wait to see where the path that Kingpin will be on now after the events of the show will develop.
Cool that you guys noticed the Roxxon name on the gas station, I had a feeling one of you would see it.
Enjoyed the reaction 👍👍✌ out.
The first 11 minutes of episode one had me heartbroken for Maya. She thought it was her fault that her mom died and her grandma disowned her, and thats not even mentioning her leg. Saw one content creator criticizing how Maya lost her leg by saying "the physics don't make sense." Like what?
Like Greg, I was worried about the short runtime of this episode. But when I watched it, I actually really loved the direction of it. It wasn't about beating Kingpin, it was about saving him. It wasn't about revenge in the end like it was wither her father. Her father killed the ones responsible for his wife's death, but she, with the help of her ancestors and her family, grew past the need for revenge and helped her enemy to heal. It's a very refreshing thing to see in the MCU.
My grandparents always took me to powwows &’ even tried to dance in one💀 the memories man🥹 this show had some beautiful momens
Enjoyed watching your reactions to this series! I really liked it. Some people might not have felt the same but I thought a lot of care and genuine emotion went into the filming and I was moved and entertained.
Fisk being Mayor will definitely not come up in _Thunderbolts_ lol
Show was kinda blah to me I think it needed more episodes I forgot characters existed till they showed back up. I wanted Bonnie to have a bigger role since the show made it seem like she was supposed to early on. An actual resolution between the grandma would had been nice. I was just kinda staring at the screen and then it was over. Not a bad feeling nor a good one
There's no pleasing you people
@@daurydavis3983 what do u mean u people? cause I ain’t marvel hater besides she hulk but I think it needed room to expand more
@@MUFFUGHCCINJONES y'all expect too much and forget that shows do not have the same budgets as movies
@@daurydavis3983 and everything pleases you people because you turn your brains off when you consume.
Coy is right. Lot's to set up for the future. I really like this show and give it 8.5/10. I loved the part where the ancestors fought with her. People complain Marvel has a formulaic ending, and this did something different which is refreshing.
This part has become as good as a sitcom moment to me lmaooo. I love “arTICulate the word arTICulate” 44:58
greg's brother completely hated the show. 😄 a shame that marvel/disney completely short-changed maya/echo/the choctaw.
I wonder if the shortening it down was more about cutting extraneous storylines and details, and less about creating a consistent tone. I say this because the acting and cinematography felt like there really was one person at the helm, instead of tons of individuals trying to put their own mark on the property. Which is very difficult to do when multiple people are involved (as per earlier comments about the Snyder cut). I do feel that the story had a fast tempo, but not as rushed or as hectic as other Marvel series (looking at you, She-Hulk…) and the ending had the right stakes, just a bit too easily resolved. But, that is strictly a nitpick on an outstanding series.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. Love seeing you three talk about this stuff, in particular. Koy is a fucking encyclopedia of comic books, Greg is fantastic cinematic understanding, and John has such a great read on emotional context of scenes.
I did like the show, but it did feel like scenes were cut short or cut completely, there were weird time skips, or character moments that relied on bits that we didn't see. I wonder if it was supposed to be more episodes but was cut down to five so that it was more bingeable in one sitting.
That's exactly what happened. No idea why they cut it tho cus all the scenes we did get were pretty great
This show makes me miss my Army OIF days. Maybe because I’m Native American/mexican and all the shooting 😂
Fisk in spiderman 4. I hope the next spiderman movie is grounded.
You dont beat fire with fire. You beat it with Water. In that way she hit Kingping harder in this episode than Spiderman or Daredevil ever could. She went into the darkest and deepest corner of his soul and disarmed him in his most vulnerable moment, and nobody has ever gotten that close to him in HIS LIFE, it scared the living christ out of him, sent him running. That was an amazing conclusion, because there was no other way they couldve beat him that wouldve made more sense.
I loved this series, and most of this episode. Except that the episodes were way too short, and this episode went full "All the Jedi live in you now", combined with Echo possibly "healing" Kingpin's pain(?). I hated those things. Otherwise good show.
She didn’t heal his pain at all. She only made him face it.
I kind of liked that instead of just trying to beat Wilson senseless, she "beat" him with compassion. It fits into her story arc. Her putting the hammer down in episode four was her embracing positive power. She freed herself by releasing the need for vengeance.
Loved this show!!
Loved the end credit I can see foreshadows it for Daredevil Born Again or Spider-Man 4 👀 or Both!
Love from Belgium 🇧🇪 ❤ I’m glad to had this whole experience with you guys ❤
Thank god one of the few MCU shows with a satisfying conclusion! Up there with Hawkeye and Loki so a top 3 for me!
5:33 - 5:44 I noticed the roxxon gas station because of the Spider-Man Miles Morales video game
Graham Greene and Tanntoo Cardinal are legends here in Canada. Nice to see a couple of other Canucks playing Bonnie and Biscuit.
my take for a storyline would be kingpin only showing up in flashbacks & eventually at the end revealing that his still alive by running for mayor. what they there were doing with mayas origin i would keep all that & punch it up a bit more. her returning home due to her being severly injured while recovery shes starts having visions & learning about her ancestral duties like the lighthorsemen, i like how they showed flashbacks of her lineage tapping into the ancestral powers practically similar to iron fist make it mystical. street level she starts dismantling the crime underbelly she helped create leads into daredevil. when fisk mentioned meeting with the other heads, would be nuts if they introduced other crime boss super villains with powers like Mister Negative, Tombstone, Silvermane, Hammerhead one can only dream.
It doesn't really count as working together, I don't think, but back in the day it was widely believed that Tarantino rewrote or doctored the Crimson Tide script. (The line they point out in particular as being Q's is "Everybody who reads comic books knows that the Kirby Silver Surfer is the only true Silver Surfer.")
jimmy wu, darcy and now biskuits (not you korg). characters we didnt know we wanted
The cut down makes no sense in this series, they really built a world to explore, already have the super hero aspect. Have history play. It’s just too much to think you can do a five episode run. I don’t think it takes a genius to realize this should have been 8-10.