Heres what you need to know about the V8 vs V6 4th gen 4Runner overland build...
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The point of this video is not to prove which engine is superior but rather to help inform everyone of the pro's of both engine sizes.
There's no doubt that you cant go wrong with a V8 build and that the V8 has the upper hand when it comes to power and torque, BUT I also want it to be known that a V6 build can be just as effective as the V8.
At the end of the day I want everyone to go out there and have fun with their builds and know that a good looking and functional rig is possible regardless of engine size, and I want to grow a healthy environment of 4th gen enthusiasts.
Hopefully you all can gain some valuable information from this video. Go out there and have fun, because thats why were all here!!!
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The V6 is about 200lbs lighter over the nose, which makes for better balance (better center of gravity, being it weighs less, and the front 2 cylinders sit much farther back), and is an advantage if you’re wheeling harder tracks.
Another thing to note about the 4.88 rear ends, is that the ring and pinion has much less meat because it has so many more, and smaller teeth. Combined with the extra torque and shearing force of the lower gearing, this is a huge weak point, especially for the stock 8’’ rear ends in these trucks. If you upgrade to a diamon axle or D60, this shouldn’t be nearly as much of an issue, but for an 8’’ or 8.2’’ it’s best to stick with 4.56’s to have more strength on the ring and pinion teeth.
In regards to the higher RPM at 75, it definitely seems like the truck hums on the freeway. This can be both good, and bad depending on how you look at it. Higher rpm will circulate the water pump more frequently, with the same airflow, while some say the added rpm increases heat to offset that. The shorter gearing will take a little bit of stress off the transmission as well, generating more torque mechanically. It really depends on how you look at it. If you drive thru mtn passes frequently (IE if you live in Washington, Colorado, ect) the 4.88’s really do make a major difference on the freeway.
Being I have an 03 V8, stock manifolds, 4.88’s with the truck weighing 5400lbs, I wish I had gone with 4.56’s. I feel like my 8’’ is on borrowed time, having wheeled it hard and having 40k miles on it. I plan to go with a diamond 9’’, and down the road 37’s in hopes to offset the high RPM. And my DT headers have been sitting in my garage for the last 1.5 years, I need to get those installed.
I enjoyed your guys discussion format with the good backdrop, and the transitions to the rigs driving. Subscribing for more 👍
Those are some really great points man!
The elevation/ location definitely plays a big role and that’s something that I forgot to mention in the video.
As far as everything else you stated, that’s definitely good for thought for whoever watches this video.
Great points man👍🏿
Broo my DT headers have been sitting since the pandemic. Get them installed before you end up like meeeee
I'm the original owner of an 03 V6, Limited 4WD. It has over 300,000 miles and runs like a champ. You should do a video on the overlooked maintenance needs that truly get a T4R near the 500k mark, all of which can be self performed in expensively:
- Degreased, safely, engine every 20k (helps find hidden issues and make maintenance clean.).
- PCV valve every 60k
- Spark plugs and coil packs at every 70k.
- Oil changes at 3k NOT anything higher.
- Diff fluids at 15k.
- Trans fluid, touchy subject but inspect.
- Replace charcoal filter at 100k.
- Replace fuel sender at 150k.
- Water pump at 100k.
- Replace belts as recommended.
- Replace Cats at 150k (at this point they're suffocating your engine. Doing this with exhaust, will revive HP.).
- Replace Exhaust at 150k (minor suffocation).
- Perform head gasket leak test randomly once you're over 100k (cheap).
- Retorque all every 10-15k.
- Seafoam. Touchy subject.
- Filters every 3k.
- Etc., etc., etc.
No good videos on the FULL maintenance needs and the relationship to high mileage 4 runners or Tacomas, for that matter.
Cool, so a 4runner spend more time in the shop than a land Rover? Gotcha. Toyota undeserved reliability rating. That's bc ppl spend thousands of dollars and hours in the shop and constantly replacing everything
@@HarryKuloh I can see why you may feel that way but when you actually span out the maintenance schedules and their connected spend/cost of ownership and their long life cycle, vs the same for other manufacturers, Toyota typically is cheaper...
Not a usual commenter, but this was a good video/discussion. I’ve had my 06’ V8 for about 3.5 years, and having drove a 5th gen, I agree with most points in the video. They’re about the same, a capable rig with poor gas mileage unless regeared.
Exactly hahaha
I don’t have a 4runner but i do have a 1st gen tundra with the v8 on 33’s and am going 35’s soon. Not worried about the truck slowing down at bc of the low end torque the v8 has
What a back drop! Great information as well
Thanks man!!!
We decided to keep our shirts ON for this one because there were too many bugs😂
I have a similarly built V8 runner. 35's, bumper, skids, sliders, drawers/fridge etc. I went back and forth between 4.56 and 4.88 forever, ended up with 4.88s and ARB lockers. No regrets. I should have done the regear so much sooner, drivability is much better and far less transmission hunting. I am running 2500 RPM at 75mph.
Man that’s really interesting because that’s what I’m at on 4.56 gears. I’ve seen a ton of v8’s go 4.88 and I always thought the rpm would be super high, but that’s pretty reasonable for your setup
@@Garrett_Logan That is curious. Have you calibrated your speedo or going off GPS? Before adding the speedohealer it would read 70 when I was going 80 on GPS.
@@grant_yoder no but I have a speed tracker and my Speedo is 5mph slow. So if it says I’m doing 70 then I’m really doing 75
I just dropped a Magnuson Supercharger in my 09 Trail Edition. It's now freaking perfect and rips up mountains.
@@jjlanotte really? How is it? Does it make the mpg worse and how much was it?
@@Garrett_Logan The kit was about 6600 all said and done but I invested in several other items since the top and front of the engine was going to be very accessible during the install. I'm a fully armored, RTT'd, 33'd, and winched up vehicle. Very Heavy. MPG, couldn't really tell you yet as I'm having way too much fun with it. I did take a leisure trip that was about 1k miles total and got about 17-18mpgs on average. I don't think MPGs are greatly effected unless you mash the pedal a lot. I'm currently working with a tuner and we're estimating approximately 300 WHP and 370 LBFT of torque at the wheel when we're all said and done. Thats a little less then they were able to get out of a 5th Gen with the same, but dual VVTI engine.
My mostly stock Tacoma on 33's was only getting 13 in the city. Just bought a Lexus GX460 and that V8 is getting better in the city stock. Plan on putting 34's on though.
When changing ratio, ballpark of ~250rpm per step (3.27, 3.55, 3.73, 4.10, 4.30, 4.56, 4.88). So 3.73 -> 4.56, would be ~750 higher. If 3000 at 75 w/ 4.88, would be ~500 lower w/ 4.30.
Great video guys! Fellow 4th gen owner here (v6), you just got a sub.
Need to do the v6 headers and v8 gears video, cant wait a year.
Also you guys have a really nice set. :P
@@FerdinandUribe thanks man! Haha yeah the upgrades will definitely be done in less than a year lol. The tricky part is linking back up.
Dope vid and def good info, I got an 03 V8 2wd, def gonna grab some DT headers and might look into the 456.
Yeah bro go for it! It’ll definitely help
Great content guys! Sick shots and location... and badass rigs! Keep the vids coming!
Thanks! Will do haha!
So basically the V8 is superior...if you're stuck in a zombie apocalypse.
It all depends on what you’re gonna do with it, but you can’t go wrong if you have the v8
@@Garrett_Logan😂 I'm just being a smart ass. They're both fine.
@@RubberChickenMan007 I know man😂.
But if I’m in an apocalypse, you best give me that v8😂
@@Garrett_Logan you don't need a V8 if we roll together haha. Strength in numbers my guy.
@@RubberChickenMan007 you might have a point there lol
Great video with lots of good info! Glad you guys didn't tell me I needed to sell my V8, that would have really sucked haha.
😂 never bro!
That’s why I had to buy that little disclaimer at the beginning because I know people are gonna go crazy when they see the thumbnail😂
Nice vid i”ve got a 03 v6 11000 miles running like a champ
At this point I automatically give your videos a thumbs up and then I watch. I subscribed and watched all your videos. I like the everyday average Joe vibe you give and learned so much from you. I got a coastal front bumper after watching you build and install your bumper. The way you explain everything you do inspires confidence. I'm old enough to be your Dad and makes me happy that I'm learning things from someone younger. You come across as having common sense which is refreshing. Great job young Man! Keep the videos coming.
Haha well thanks man. I’m definitely just your average Joe and haven’t done anything special, I’m just the only one that makes videos about it lol. But I definitely appreciate the support🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
@@Garrett_Logan Garrett. Don't underestimate yourself in thinking you have done nothing special. You have in my opinion. Motivating and educating people is something special to share with others like myself. You get in there and get your hands dirty. You come across as a tutorial and not a commercial like some other channels. I'm impressed by you and I value your opinion. I'm happy to support you and wish you continued success. :)
@@iluvbobsburgers well thank you man haha. That means a lot🙏🏾
Dude where are you? That looks like the Grand Teton mountains in Wyoming.
That’s exactly it! Haha
@@Garrett_Logan 😂 can’t miss em lol I’m in Montana and I’ve been wanting to get out there so bad.
Well, appreciated content right here💯👍🏽
Always!
still watching, but 1 - great choice for background of this vid and 2 - The differences between are so negligible that it truly doesn't matter too much which way you go 🥳
Thanks man!
You definitely can’t go wrong with the V8, but at the end of the day there’s not a big enough difference between my v6 and James’s v8
@@Garrett_Logan agree 💯 (I also have a v8)
great video !
@@tacoman3543 thanks!
The best thing to look for is overall condition. I passed on a thrashed V8 for a clean well maintained V6 and have no regrets.
My FJ Cruiser v6 with 35" tires and 4.88 gears, Doug Thorley long tube headers and y pipe, RIPP coils, electric fan, Nomad valve body upgrade, Unichip piggy back ecu tuned for faster shifting. It has zero shift issues now and takes off without that usual lag in response. I have a massive exhaust leak and my mpg is trash, 14mpg but it zips up to 85mph in no time and wants to keep climbing. The long tube headers definitely affect the top end. My regear has me at about 2800rpm around 75mph. Would love to put 37" tires but I don't think I would fit in my works parking garage by that point and I drive almost 100 miles daily so I am paying a car payment in fuel as it it
Damn I'm getting 14mpg in my 03 V8. What the heeeck, I guess its time to investigate. My dad had the V6 2WD with XREAS, I have the V8 4WD. I really liked how the V6 drove around town. I love how my V8 drives everywhere else.
Well if you’re looking at what your computer in your truck says then it’s wrong. Mine said 11-13.4mpg but on the highway I’m getting more like 16-18.
Just use the method we talked about in the video to calculate how many miles per gallon you’re getting and I bet you’re getting more than that👍🏿
Do you know if your buddy has the short or long tube doug thurley headers ?
He’s got the king tube headers
All I Know Is that I purchased a V8 forerunner to 2-wheel drive so there will be not too much off Road for me lol.
Good video what background music you used
@@ttftaylor9141 I have a subscription with Musicbed, I can’t remember what exact song I used
i get 16.5 mpg while in a fully stock v8. gotta switch up how i drive before geting 295s and a lift.
Yeah man, sounds like you might have a bit of a led foot haha.
@jamesrytting Did you get the DT Y-Pipe as well?
I didn’t get the Y-Pipe, I’m currently just running the LT headers and I’ll be building a new exhaust for the truck as well
@@JamesRytting Thanks, I’m about to order the long tubes and am thinking about adding the Y-Pipe. 2004 4.7. Both of your rigs are awesome.😎
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No lockers when you did the gears?
Yeah I have a detroit tru trac in the rear. Works perfectly
@@Garrett_Logan Sweet, exactly one of the options i'm going to do
Does the V8 guy have a channel?
@@dmitryadamenko6518 he is going to start one at some point. His rig walk around video will be on this channel soon
V8 is better what are we talking about😂 them bugs were tearing yall up
Those were mosquitoes from hell!😂
How’s is everyone getting the 35s on their 4Runners?
That would be a question for @Jamesrytting
I don’t think he did too much cutting though
@@Garrett_Logan thank you I’ve done a body mount chop then cut and beat in the pinch welds but still don’t think I can get them on. I really want 35s on there. I have 295s right now
Bro my FJ on 305s gets like 10mpgs. I need to regear
👀oof
What a view...
I didn't think Doug Thorley made headers for a V6. Can you confirm? I could only find 4.7 headers on the site. I would LOVE to put headers on my V6.
Im also a Kentucky boy, you should make it to the KTLCA ride in the gorge. Would enjoy wheeling with you.
Yup they do! I thought they didn’t but my buddies at 4rcustoms just sent me a link to the ones for v6 engines.
Here ya go
4rcustoms.com/4th-gen-4runner-long-tube-headers/
That sounds like a blast! When is the next meet up???
@@Garrett_LoganThanks for the link, checking it out.
The next Toyota ride is July 19-21. All activities out of Callie's. If you make it let me know, would really enjoy meeting.
@@russmeyer6939 yeah for sure man. I’ll hit you up if I end up going
Please make a video about regearing because I have no idea what yall are talkin about 😅
I’ll be outing out a video on gears but it won’t be super in depth. There’s a ton of other great videos though
V6 Gang😜
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You got the V6 for mpg but then say you knew you were going to be overloading it. That makes no sense.. later in the video you guys say there is no replacement for displacement… with a loaded down vehicle or even an empty one I would much rather have a bigger engine that doesn’t have to work as hard to keep everything moving.
Well think what you want bud but when we filled up at gas stations my V6 took less gas and it’s punchier than the V8.