To be fair, part of the reason Tibalt was so highly valued was an overcorrection from how often actually good planeswalkers seemed obviously terrible based on just the card text. For example Elspeth, Knight Errant looks incredibly underwhelming but was a Modern staple for several years. At the time Tibalt came out, you could pretty safely guess based on just the card type Planeswalker that a card would probably at least be relevant to Standard even if it didn't end up in the absolute best decks in the format.
A nice piece of trivia on Lurrus is that it was one of the few cards to get BANNED in vintage. As it turns out, having an extra card in your hand that you can cast with Black Lotus, and then immediately use to recast Black Lotus, was too strong. Lurrus was so broken that it made Black Lotus, the best card ever, even stronger.
@@veryblockyit was banned, then they changed the companion mechanic. Previously you could cast then directly from your sideboard. Now you first need to pay 3 to move them to your hand. Literally doubling the cost did a lot to dampen how utterly broken it was, though it's still good enough to get banned in Modern *and* Legacy.
Want to see Staple or Stinker 2:Combo edition, where its 2 or more cards and see if the combo is staple or stinker. Examples include Faithless Looting + Sneaky Snacker or Karn Lock
I love this series! Another good idea would be cards that have seemingly BIG build-your-deck-around-this effects, like Scapeshift, Genesis Wave, Warp World, Dragon Storm, Ignite Memories, Eye of Ugin, and then ask the guest if this seems competitively viable.
This would require too much magic knowledge to answer. Most of these would only be answerable if they got to know the other cards that exist in magic. But it's a fun idea if it was possible :)
Without a lot of context about the game it would be really hard to understand why like, Genesis Wave is okay but not great but Scapeshift is crazy good.
@@CardmarketMagic oooh or two people who have won Staple or Stinker, looking through and picking a few magic cards each from MTG's history and testing each OTHER on Staples or Stinkers. Just let two kids loose in the candy store and see what they pick to come back with. Could have a stipulation that they have to pick 3 staples and 2 stinkers, and have them try to make it difficult for each other, like, one picks Necropolis Regent and the other picks Huntmaster of the Fells, one picks Black Sun's Zenith, the other picks Killing Wave etc.
I know it bogs down needing to explain formats and all that but I really feel like it does a disservice to describing the power of Lurrus to not mention that it's the only card to ever get a power level ban in Vintage. "So in MTG there's a format called Vintage where the only banned cards are joke cards, ante cards, racist cards, and cards which literally do not work. Black Lotus isn't banned. Lurrus is the only card in history to get banned in that format for being too powerful."
to be fair, companion cards were banned for power level reasons because restricting them would have done literally nothing, and those are the only two things you can do to a card in vintage
As someone who's rather new to Magic, the idea of Planeswalker is a very flavorful concept. Loyalty is so aptly named, losing some when they take damage because you (the player) choose not to block for them and if they reach 0 Loyalty from taking damage they basically go "peace out, jackass. I'm done with this". Effects that accumulates loyalty for them are like their signature cantrips so you're letting them do their thing, and ultimates are exactly that, an exertion of their mana that will more than likely render them unable to continue fighting but provides a boon for an ally Planeswalker. I think the only slight flavor fail is they are represented as counters in game, so effects that interact with counters like proliferate or doubling season will also affect loyalty counters and the only reason it does is "game mechanics" with not much flavor behind it. But that's just a minor nitpick to what would have been a 10/10 design
I’m admittedly kinda sad that you didn’t mention that Lurrus got banned in *Vintage* pre-errata, really want to hear someone’s reaction to that But fantastic job on the 5/5, I love these videos so much
I love this series, generally this shows that good players understand power level even with limited context of the game! Also, for non yugioh players, a floodgate is like a stax piece
not convinced Josh couldn't win an RCQ with only a few weeks of training. he's crazy good at Yugioh and had great analysis of all the cards in the video
I'd love you guys to try and get Josh to evaluate utility Lands. His analysis is so good that it'd be really interesting to see him interact with the game economy.
3:49 cards like that always throw me off. Like how do you handle cards that were definitely mvips at one point in time but those days are gone… and/or cards that are really great but only in specific niche decks.
Whoo! It's back. If you wanted to set the comments section of fire, putting Temple of the False God, Reliquary tower and Enlightened Tutor on there would be hilarious.
You should display cards in front of the two Staple/Stinker winners and have them build a deck by picking a card out of the selections, which are Staples and Stinkers and then have them play
Bro you got Jesse Kotton to play Staple or Stinker!? (heh, sorry but I can't help but rub salt in the wound after this year's worlds finals). Also here's something Josh didn't even realize, he actually reacted to Sam doing Staple or Stinker a year-ish ago (he was in pain watching Sam's attempt), and he saw Sam get Thalia, and Josh guessed it right there too. Guess he forgot about it, but either way, he's a champ for a reason (and he might be picking up another YCS win this week after getting one around this time last year in the same city no less).
You were spot-on with Tibalt. He needs to stay around a long time to get real use out of his stronger abilities and the random discard is too steep a cost for such a fragile permanent. It *might* have been playable (and even that might be a stretch) in aggro decks or graveyard decks if you got to choose the discarded card but alas, he is complete ass. Even the next worst 2 mana Planeswalker is lightyears more playable than 2-mana Tibalt and it has a restriction of not being castable for the first three turns of the game lol.
I played with Tibalt in Standard. He really wants a deck where his "disadvantage" is less painful than elsewhere - you can't just usefully throw it into any deck. Back then I played Boros Reanimator - excuse me, Boros Resurrector - and probably about 2/3 of my deck didn't mind ending up in the graveyard. My deck originally had two copies and really wanted a third. But yes, in general, it's a Bad Card.
Tbh Tibalt biggest issue is that he dies to lightning bolt...(and that the discard is at random). If he either was starting on 3 or you could pick what you discard he would be at least all right. Granted I dont remember If lightning bolt and him were legal at the same time, but one of the check for planeswalkers is, can you survive lightning bolt? If they cant they need to have very good ability since they are better to be treated as one ability only Unles you are Ajani, Nacatl Pariah then you bring so much value that you can die to LB and its fine.
In my Krenko deck I have 4 cards that give permanent haste to all my creatures. All of them are better than Fervor. They all cost 3 mana as well but do something else: - Goblin Chieftain is a goblin creature that gives all the other goblins +1/+1. - Goblin Warchief is a goblin creature that reduces the cost of every other goblin by 1. - Tuktuk Rubblefort is a 0/3 wall creature with reach, meaning I can also use it to block, even flyers. - Rising of the Day is power-crept Fervor. It's exactly the same but also gives my 5 legendary creatures (including my commander) +1/+0 (it's also an uncommon against Fervor that's rare). So given that Fervor is so easily outclassed in a format where it would be somewhat useful, I deduced that it had no chance of being good in a 1v1 format.
I think 9/10 is still less then 5/5. It would have been nice to show him Fires of Yawinaya and discuss the difference including the difference in the standard environments of the time
I dont really follow standard, but i play magic in general (old precons with my dad when i was younger, mtga, commander), but these kinda all seemed obvious to me.
@@vDeadbolt Nah, we see "random discard" and are immediately like AW HELL NAH. Thalia immediately stands out as "Oh, this is awesome in white aggro decks."
Unfortunately, those would be unfair without showing eye of Ugin. We can't show cards that are only good because of other cards. They have to be standalones
Thalia, more like a former staple, at least in MH block constructed (fka modern). Not being a MH card and being an x/1 when bowmasters exists => unplayable these days.
@@HeneLv Yes. Pretty sure Phil regularly plays it in his commander decks and I've seen both Crim and Seth play it in green decks on the main channel gameplay vids.
Great video, although i think you made it a little too easy with some of the cards. I want to see a yu-gi-oh player evaluate something like temporal mastery, artist talent? maybe wrenn and six? Aurelia’s fury? the depletion lands? troll of khazad-dûm? Cards that require more understanding of the game, rather than just showing ”good” cards. Lurrus is justified, but i feel like thalia and sol ring from taylor’s video were too easy. Grazer is an example of a good card to show.
A lot of this needs to be good/bad in a vacuum. Like Karn/Mycosynth Lattice needs to be together because, while Karn is solid, Mycosynth Lattice absolutely needs to Karn to be broken. Like most Yugioh archetype cards are impossible to judge without context. Ursarctic Radiation would be ABSOLUTELY BROKEN (because anyone who knows Yugioh at even the most basic level will see it as "draw 7 cards") if Ursarctic wasn't 100% unplayable hot garbage. Even Super Polymerization (a card that cannot be responded to in any way, shape, or form) is only good if you know that Garura Wings of Resonant Life, Mudragon of the Swamp, and (to a lesser extent), Yubel the Loving Defender Forever and the Shaddoll/Elemental Hero fusions for those decks make it an easy way to get your opponent's stuff off the board at the cost of a discard and some deck building tech.
Fervor is not completely useless. It's a example of card that a 1-of in a aggro deck make sense. It's conditional but if I would be playing it in decks like Goblin to speed up my Krenko, or Sparksmith. Yes it would be terrible to draw 2 of them, but having a 1-of in casual mono red or semi competitve deck is good idea.
When Joshua was here previously you said you would have to give him harder cards the next time because he is too smart. I do not feel this video delivered on that front.
Spoilers ahead: Strongly strongly strongly disagree with the Grazer one. I am not sure if these videos are simply the creators' opinion or they have actual data for it, but I strongly disagree anyway. I perfectly understand the reasoning that Carl gave but I would never consider Grazer anywhere close to a staple. One could maybe convince me that it is an average card, but I strongly believe it is a Stinker. The argument about the land being non-basic is irrelevant in 90% of cases, while the argument about having 2 lands most of the times, despite being one I agree with, is not in my opinion enough to justify Grazer as a staple. I feel like mana dorks are so much popular for a variety of different reason, that the extra land drop is close to irrelevant. But let's just step outside of my personal opinion: what is Carl referring to when he says Grazer fooled everybody? I don't remember it being played in Standard, if not (maybe) Reclamation and Gates deck. I can't remember any competitive build, neither in Modern nor in Standard, and I think everybody can confirm that Grazer sees no play in current Modern, Legacy and Vintage. I am also pretty sure it sees almost 0 play in Commander, but I am not convinced. Again, I am not saying Grazer is necessarily an unplayable card, I am saying it is very very far from being a Staple, and definitely underpowered. Please remember this is just my own personal opinion. I am not trying to spread hate or anything, just hoping to get a positive exchange of ideas started. The video was great and despite me disagreeing on the Grazer it was a lot of fun watching it. Good job Carl and CardMarket crew!
It was in a standard format that included a meta scapeshift deck so it saw play there and it sees modern play in Amulet Titan to this day. It is definitely the least clear of the cards in the video but it saw/sees enough play that to me it's definitely much more reasonable to call it a staple than a stinker.
Josh is a hell of a good player. But to outright call him the best yugioh player in the world. Just isn't it. You can't disrespect Jessie like that. The accolades aren't even close
Look at the expert talking 🤣 Saying that "the accolades aren't even close" means you are disrespecting Josh more than they could possibly be disrespecting Jesse. They both have one MD world championship title, and they've both made it to every worlds since 2017. Jesse has the UDS title over him, but there were no UDS events in Europe so there's no point in comparing that. In terms of YCS wins, Josh has 4 and Jesse has 6, which is far from being "not even close", and that's also ignoring the fact that Europe stopped getting regular YCS events. Jesse is a great player and a definite contender for the best, but you are out of your mind if you think that it's undisputed.
@@lukehull8865 I provided factual evidence that "the accolades aren't even close" is nothing more than you being misinformed. You can't just dismiss evidence with "doesn't matter, agree to disagree" when the numbers point towards your so-called "opinion" just being straight up wrong. Saying "both travel so not relevant" is also incredibly ignorant, and a lazy argument that completely ignores individual circumstances. It is _much_ more feasible for Jesse to travel across north america than it is for Josh. Do you think pro Yugioh players are paid ThE bIg MoNeY? Jesse can go to Europe and back once in a while, but he can't just do that willy-nilly. Same applies to Josh with the US/Canada. Finally, there's several more people who are in contention for the title, like Billy Brake, Jeff Jones, the Bellido brothers and many more. Even putting Josh aside, insinuating that Jesse's claim is *undisputed* is disrespectful to almost 15 years of competitive Yugioh during which Jesse was not even competing.
@tmaz9474 you provided factual evidence as if two world titles isn't much of a gap when 6 is the literal highest anyone has had. I don't know about you MR factual but 1 3rd difference isn't insignificant, again Stop whining I stated my opinion you've stated yours. Give over.
Want to see a real, competitive deck with Tibalt? bit.ly/488D5uf
(plus a couple of decks with Thalia/Lurrus)
it's so funny that without the context of previous Planeswalkers, Tibalt just so obviously seems terrible 🤣
To be fair, part of the reason Tibalt was so highly valued was an overcorrection from how often actually good planeswalkers seemed obviously terrible based on just the card text. For example Elspeth, Knight Errant looks incredibly underwhelming but was a Modern staple for several years.
At the time Tibalt came out, you could pretty safely guess based on just the card type Planeswalker that a card would probably at least be relevant to Standard even if it didn't end up in the absolute best decks in the format.
@Falterfire so like... without the context of previous Planeswalkers? :p
@@SkylarPastor My point is that without context, I think *most* Planeswalkers 'obviously seem terrible'.
@@Falterfire As a reminder, many pros though Jace, the Mindsculptor would not see play because you could just play Jace Beleren
I feel like tibalt would be a staple if it just looted with its +1 the random part is rough
A nice piece of trivia on Lurrus is that it was one of the few cards to get BANNED in vintage. As it turns out, having an extra card in your hand that you can cast with Black Lotus, and then immediately use to recast Black Lotus, was too strong. Lurrus was so broken that it made Black Lotus, the best card ever, even stronger.
It was banned because you only needed one. Limiting it to one per deck would do nothing
I like the statement that when Wizards released companions, before their nerf, Lurrus was a card of about the same power level as P9.
It isn’t, it’s not even restricted in vintage.
EDIT: I’ve just looked it up, it was unbanned after the change to cost 3 to add it to hand
@@veryblocky it used to be banned
@@veryblockyit was banned, then they changed the companion mechanic. Previously you could cast then directly from your sideboard. Now you first need to pay 3 to move them to your hand. Literally doubling the cost did a lot to dampen how utterly broken it was, though it's still good enough to get banned in Modern *and* Legacy.
Want to see Staple or Stinker 2:Combo edition, where its 2 or more cards and see if the combo is staple or stinker. Examples include Faithless Looting + Sneaky Snacker or Karn Lock
I love this series!
Another good idea would be cards that have seemingly BIG build-your-deck-around-this effects, like Scapeshift, Genesis Wave, Warp World, Dragon Storm, Ignite Memories, Eye of Ugin, and then ask the guest if this seems competitively viable.
This would require too much magic knowledge to answer. Most of these would only be answerable if they got to know the other cards that exist in magic. But it's a fun idea if it was possible :)
@@CardmarketMagic Fair point, it probably *would* be too difficult to estimate
@@CardmarketMagicdo a 4 way versus series with build around meme decks! That could be hilarious, especially depending on hosts/guests!
Doomsday!
Without a lot of context about the game it would be really hard to understand why like, Genesis Wave is okay but not great but Scapeshift is crazy good.
Now we 100% need a MTG showmatch between 2 winners of Staple or Stinker!
That's a really fun idea! :D
@@CardmarketMagic oooh or two people who have won Staple or Stinker, looking through and picking a few magic cards each from MTG's history and testing each OTHER on Staples or Stinkers. Just let two kids loose in the candy store and see what they pick to come back with. Could have a stipulation that they have to pick 3 staples and 2 stinkers, and have them try to make it difficult for each other, like, one picks Necropolis Regent and the other picks Huntmaster of the Fells, one picks Black Sun's Zenith, the other picks Killing Wave etc.
I know it bogs down needing to explain formats and all that but I really feel like it does a disservice to describing the power of Lurrus to not mention that it's the only card to ever get a power level ban in Vintage.
"So in MTG there's a format called Vintage where the only banned cards are joke cards, ante cards, racist cards, and cards which literally do not work. Black Lotus isn't banned. Lurrus is the only card in history to get banned in that format for being too powerful."
Racist cards? Huh? How does that work?
how about a format for just the racist cards that'd be a good time
to be fair, companion cards were banned for power level reasons because restricting them would have done literally nothing, and those are the only two things you can do to a card in vintage
@@Demonic0Jester thats just.... life.
@@RoxyGotMoxy. be a lot cooler if it was
Nice reasonings, it's very tricky to evaluate companion without knowing that it was erratated
Yeah and he was right but didn’t why. But he did a spot on job!
Well he did know why but didn’t realise how broken it really was.
As someone who's rather new to Magic, the idea of Planeswalker is a very flavorful concept. Loyalty is so aptly named, losing some when they take damage because you (the player) choose not to block for them and if they reach 0 Loyalty from taking damage they basically go "peace out, jackass. I'm done with this". Effects that accumulates loyalty for them are like their signature cantrips so you're letting them do their thing, and ultimates are exactly that, an exertion of their mana that will more than likely render them unable to continue fighting but provides a boon for an ally Planeswalker.
I think the only slight flavor fail is they are represented as counters in game, so effects that interact with counters like proliferate or doubling season will also affect loyalty counters and the only reason it does is "game mechanics" with not much flavor behind it. But that's just a minor nitpick to what would have been a 10/10 design
Carl: I will start to only make a video a week
Also Carl:
Is this not the video for this week?
I just don't hope he's gonna overwork himself again....
@@broshmosh it's a joke because they uploaded a 2 minute video yesterday (too long to be posted as a short)
@@broshmosh second but barely the first one was 6 days ago
Oh pog! Big fan of staple or stinker
I’m admittedly kinda sad that you didn’t mention that Lurrus got banned in *Vintage* pre-errata, really want to hear someone’s reaction to that
But fantastic job on the 5/5, I love these videos so much
I did :) but it got cut out since the explanation was too long
@ Ah, gotchas - ty for mentioning it at least, can imagine
@@CardmarketMagic Could we ever get unedited? Josh is quite... an opinionated individual about cards and decks so I'd love to hear him unfiltered.
I love this series, generally this shows that good players understand power level even with limited context of the game!
Also, for non yugioh players, a floodgate is like a stax piece
not convinced Josh couldn't win an RCQ with only a few weeks of training. he's crazy good at Yugioh and had great analysis of all the cards in the video
Staple or Stinker is my favorite series between the Cardmarket Yugioh and MTG
I remember when Tibalt was originally printed. We tried so hard… and got nowhere. And in the end, Tibalt never really mattered.
I'd love you guys to try and get Josh to evaluate utility Lands. His analysis is so good that it'd be really interesting to see him interact with the game economy.
I feel like Tibalt is way easier to evaluate without the influence of knowing Magic planeswalker history
Now we need a final Staple or Stinker battle between Tyler and Joshua to decide once and for all who gets to wear the crown!
3:49 cards like that always throw me off. Like how do you handle cards that were definitely mvips at one point in time but those days are gone… and/or cards that are really great but only in specific niche decks.
Whoo! It's back.
If you wanted to set the comments section of fire, putting Temple of the False God, Reliquary tower and Enlightened Tutor on there would be hilarious.
Yaaaaay Joshua ❤ nice vid thanks for all your work guys, i am so happy to see a new cardmarket video in my inbox 🎉😊
i will allways haunt you josh you can never escape speedroid
Carl, you lie... Tibalt is NO friend... but a FIEND :-P
You should display cards in front of the two Staple/Stinker winners and have them build a deck by picking a card out of the selections, which are Staples and Stinkers and then have them play
should add a fan submitted card into staple or stinker as an extra variable
Bro you got Jesse Kotton to play Staple or Stinker!? (heh, sorry but I can't help but rub salt in the wound after this year's worlds finals).
Also here's something Josh didn't even realize, he actually reacted to Sam doing Staple or Stinker a year-ish ago (he was in pain watching Sam's attempt), and he saw Sam get Thalia, and Josh guessed it right there too. Guess he forgot about it, but either way, he's a champ for a reason (and he might be picking up another YCS win this week after getting one around this time last year in the same city no less).
Cardmarket got me to start playing again and I went from never getting these to knowing them straight away
You were spot-on with Tibalt. He needs to stay around a long time to get real use out of his stronger abilities and the random discard is too steep a cost for such a fragile permanent. It *might* have been playable (and even that might be a stretch) in aggro decks or graveyard decks if you got to choose the discarded card but alas, he is complete ass. Even the next worst 2 mana Planeswalker is lightyears more playable than 2-mana Tibalt and it has a restriction of not being castable for the first three turns of the game lol.
Tibalt did not only destroy hands, but entire decks, when people tried to build around making random discard good.
You guys really need to ask Joshua to evaluate cards for an upcoming edition during spoiler season 😁
Floodgate is the equivalent of stax the more you know!
I am so glad they hit hte buzzer at the end. I would have been hearbroken if we didn't get to hear it at least once.
6:38 You can effectively think of floodgates as Yu-Gi-Oh!'s version of stacks pieces. Preventing your opponent from playing the game :3
damn he nailed it despite not knowing what lifelink does
The more I read Tibalt, the more I can't understand how people though it was going to be a good card.
4 random discards to *maybe* have a payoff...if your opponent isn't playing creatures, you're SOL.
I got 4/5 while going through the video! I got fooled by Ferver lol
I got the first one wrong, it seemed good, but that is fair.
Oh, such timing. Video just uploaded as I opened youtube xD
Maybe we were waiting for you to open youtube to post it 👀
surprised that the vintage black lotus loop went unmentioned
Carl pulling out the tactical Tibalt😂
Seth is FUMING at Arboreal Grazer being classified a staple right now.
i remember day 9 referring to arboreal grazer as the worst card that was still somehow good enough for competitive magic
WE LOVE JOSHUA SCHMIDT!!!!!!
I love staple or stinker, but I feel it's getting a bit too easy... Make them suffer! 😅
These were hard, we just had one of the world's best players. We would need to find worse contestants 😅
I played with Tibalt in Standard. He really wants a deck where his "disadvantage" is less painful than elsewhere - you can't just usefully throw it into any deck. Back then I played Boros Reanimator - excuse me, Boros Resurrector - and probably about 2/3 of my deck didn't mind ending up in the graveyard. My deck originally had two copies and really wanted a third. But yes, in general, it's a Bad Card.
Tbh Tibalt biggest issue is that he dies to lightning bolt...(and that the discard is at random).
If he either was starting on 3 or you could pick what you discard he would be at least all right. Granted I dont remember If lightning bolt and him were legal at the same time, but one of the check for planeswalkers is, can you survive lightning bolt? If they cant they need to have very good ability since they are better to be treated as one ability only
Unles you are Ajani, Nacatl Pariah then you bring so much value that you can die to LB and its fine.
Woo more content with Josh!
Give that man to CGB for some CBT Staple or Stinker, these are too ez
I tried to reason with myself that Fervor might not be too bad in casual commander..
Which means it's an absolute stinker :'-)
In my Krenko deck I have 4 cards that give permanent haste to all my creatures. All of them are better than Fervor. They all cost 3 mana as well but do something else:
- Goblin Chieftain is a goblin creature that gives all the other goblins +1/+1.
- Goblin Warchief is a goblin creature that reduces the cost of every other goblin by 1.
- Tuktuk Rubblefort is a 0/3 wall creature with reach, meaning I can also use it to block, even flyers.
- Rising of the Day is power-crept Fervor. It's exactly the same but also gives my 5 legendary creatures (including my commander) +1/+0 (it's also an uncommon against Fervor that's rare).
So given that Fervor is so easily outclassed in a format where it would be somewhat useful, I deduced that it had no chance of being good in a 1v1 format.
My favorite format on this channel!
nice! mtg traps with yugioh expert guest!
Say what you want about Companion, Lurrus' little kitten is very cute.
Can't wait for the farfa episode
Need a head to head to determine the true champ.
in magic we call floodgates, stax pieces
I think 9/10 is still less then 5/5. It would have been nice to show him Fires of Yawinaya and discuss the difference including the difference in the standard environments of the time
This series is pretty good
More Josh please!
It's good to see you back to non commander content
We only do commander once every two months or so 😅 :)
Let's go my goat Joshua Schmidt.
Great vid! I love josh, he's my yugioh goat
I love Joshua i play runick stun by his fault haha
Finally !
Assemble !
When are we getting domain video
I dont really follow standard, but i play magic in general (old precons with my dad when i was younger, mtga, commander), but these kinda all seemed obvious to me.
I refuse to accept that my Tibalt is bad.
It feels like Thalia and Tibalt appear in every "yugioh player evaluates MTG cards" video tbh...
Because Yugioh players lack the literacy to understand those cards. They see Tybalt, see "draw a card" and be like "STAPLE"
@@vDeadbolt Nah, we see "random discard" and are immediately like AW HELL NAH. Thalia immediately stands out as "Oh, this is awesome in white aggro decks."
“Happing”
please do some eldrazi like thought knot seer, reality smasher, vile agrevate, or sky spawner, for the next one!
Unfortunately, those would be unfair without showing eye of Ugin. We can't show cards that are only good because of other cards. They have to be standalones
@@CardmarketMagic :(
Should have had a 6th card for an undisputed champion!
THAT'S MY STREAMERMAN.
Really, really these segments
Thalia, more like a former staple, at least in MH block constructed (fka modern). Not being a MH card and being an x/1 when bowmasters exists => unplayable these days.
...Magic has no trap cards, Yugioh has no Magic cards
5/5 LESSGO MY GOAT
YES, more Carl.
Show them lantern of insight next
You should have told him about lurrus and bauble
when i see aboreal grazer, i immideately think its bad; probably wathced to much mtg goldfish at this point XD
Eh isnt it pretty good by their standards cause lands are busted. It's easy ramp, and non-basic as well.
@@HeneLv Yes. Pretty sure Phil regularly plays it in his commander decks and I've seen both Crim and Seth play it in green decks on the main channel gameplay vids.
@@kylegonewild I mostly listen to seth (since i just cant vibe with crim) and he seems to have a love/hate relationship with it.
WOOOOO GEAZERRRRRR LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Always a Staple!
Great video, although i think you made it a little too easy with some of the cards. I want to see a yu-gi-oh player evaluate something like temporal mastery, artist talent? maybe wrenn and six? Aurelia’s fury? the depletion lands? troll of khazad-dûm? Cards that require more understanding of the game, rather than just showing ”good” cards. Lurrus is justified, but i feel like thalia and sol ring from taylor’s video were too easy. Grazer is an example of a good card to show.
A lot of this needs to be good/bad in a vacuum. Like Karn/Mycosynth Lattice needs to be together because, while Karn is solid, Mycosynth Lattice absolutely needs to Karn to be broken. Like most Yugioh archetype cards are impossible to judge without context. Ursarctic Radiation would be ABSOLUTELY BROKEN (because anyone who knows Yugioh at even the most basic level will see it as "draw 7 cards") if Ursarctic wasn't 100% unplayable hot garbage. Even Super Polymerization (a card that cannot be responded to in any way, shape, or form) is only good if you know that Garura Wings of Resonant Life, Mudragon of the Swamp, and (to a lesser extent), Yubel the Loving Defender Forever and the Shaddoll/Elemental Hero fusions for those decks make it an easy way to get your opponent's stuff off the board at the cost of a discard and some deck building tech.
Good video, 10/10
Fervor is not completely useless. It's a example of card that a 1-of in a aggro deck make sense. It's conditional but if I would be playing it in decks like Goblin to speed up my Krenko, or Sparksmith. Yes it would be terrible to draw 2 of them, but having a 1-of in casual mono red or semi competitve deck is good idea.
did anyone ever think Lurrus would be bad?
get josh to play commander
Give him a frog deck
Caaaarlll❤
He played magic for sure before. His arguments and reasoning are too specific.
literally who?
Never happened*
When Joshua was here previously you said you would have to give him harder cards the next time because he is too smart. I do not feel this video delivered on that front.
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Strongly strongly strongly disagree with the Grazer one. I am not sure if these videos are simply the creators' opinion or they have actual data for it, but I strongly disagree anyway. I perfectly understand the reasoning that Carl gave but I would never consider Grazer anywhere close to a staple. One could maybe convince me that it is an average card, but I strongly believe it is a Stinker. The argument about the land being non-basic is irrelevant in 90% of cases, while the argument about having 2 lands most of the times, despite being one I agree with, is not in my opinion enough to justify Grazer as a staple. I feel like mana dorks are so much popular for a variety of different reason, that the extra land drop is close to irrelevant.
But let's just step outside of my personal opinion: what is Carl referring to when he says Grazer fooled everybody? I don't remember it being played in Standard, if not (maybe) Reclamation and Gates deck. I can't remember any competitive build, neither in Modern nor in Standard, and I think everybody can confirm that Grazer sees no play in current Modern, Legacy and Vintage. I am also pretty sure it sees almost 0 play in Commander, but I am not convinced. Again, I am not saying Grazer is necessarily an unplayable card, I am saying it is very very far from being a Staple, and definitely underpowered.
Please remember this is just my own personal opinion. I am not trying to spread hate or anything, just hoping to get a positive exchange of ideas started. The video was great and despite me disagreeing on the Grazer it was a lot of fun watching it. Good job Carl and CardMarket crew!
mono green devotion
amulet titan
old 5 c omnath
also Hidden Strings in pioneer
It was in a standard format that included a meta scapeshift deck so it saw play there and it sees modern play in Amulet Titan to this day. It is definitely the least clear of the cards in the video but it saw/sees enough play that to me it's definitely much more reasonable to call it a staple than a stinker.
Yeah I forgot about a couple of those decks. Still not a powerhouse. Checks out, though
Josh is a hell of a good player. But to outright call him the best yugioh player in the world. Just isn't it. You can't disrespect Jessie like that. The accolades aren't even close
Look at the expert talking 🤣
Saying that "the accolades aren't even close" means you are disrespecting Josh more than they could possibly be disrespecting Jesse. They both have one MD world championship title, and they've both made it to every worlds since 2017. Jesse has the UDS title over him, but there were no UDS events in Europe so there's no point in comparing that. In terms of YCS wins, Josh has 4 and Jesse has 6, which is far from being "not even close", and that's also ignoring the fact that Europe stopped getting regular YCS events. Jesse is a great player and a definite contender for the best, but you are out of your mind if you think that it's undisputed.
@tmaz9474 never said I was an expert. But you are entitled to your opinion. But it's not close. Agree to disagree
@tmaz9474 as for locations being a factor both josh and Jessie travel so not to relevant.
@@lukehull8865 I provided factual evidence that "the accolades aren't even close" is nothing more than you being misinformed. You can't just dismiss evidence with "doesn't matter, agree to disagree" when the numbers point towards your so-called "opinion" just being straight up wrong.
Saying "both travel so not relevant" is also incredibly ignorant, and a lazy argument that completely ignores individual circumstances. It is _much_ more feasible for Jesse to travel across north america than it is for Josh. Do you think pro Yugioh players are paid ThE bIg MoNeY? Jesse can go to Europe and back once in a while, but he can't just do that willy-nilly. Same applies to Josh with the US/Canada.
Finally, there's several more people who are in contention for the title, like Billy Brake, Jeff Jones, the Bellido brothers and many more. Even putting Josh aside, insinuating that Jesse's claim is *undisputed* is disrespectful to almost 15 years of competitive Yugioh during which Jesse was not even competing.
@tmaz9474 you provided factual evidence as if two world titles isn't much of a gap when 6 is the literal highest anyone has had. I don't know about you MR factual but 1 3rd difference isn't insignificant, again Stop whining I stated my opinion you've stated yours. Give over.
I want to see more of the older style feature matches, like just two regular relevant decks facing off in a relevant format (modern, pioneer, pauper)