I was driving down Bethesda road and I had the terrifying realization that I’ve been mispronouncing Bethesda for years. Let’s pretend I was doing it ironically in this video please.
@@thagomizer8485 i've been saying it like that for over half a decade and not a single person corrected me. I've heard it pronounced correctly but it always went over my head.
Basically: Listen to criticism Don't bloat the market Don't be a creep Don't steal from others Don't bloat your own game We don't have to hear every opinion you have Actually put in effort
@@glowingfox704 that's seems a bit unfair, considering games like terraria do this. Unless if you were thinging about overbloating or adding too much repetitive content that it makes the game long and tedious.
@@alvynnjethroevangelista9778 Gluttony in the context of this video is to over-indulge in "feeding" (adding unnecessary content to) your game, bloating its "weight" (file size and reducing production speeds) for the sake of having the game become "full" by cramming as much fat into it as possible instead of giving it a good structure. Alex (YandereDev) added in superfluous and half-baked social interaction, dozens if not hundreds of useless easter eggs, alternative game modes, unnecessary (and gross) game mechanics, etc. because he wanted his game to be robust, not with carefully and curated content ensuring a whole, cohesive experience, but with sheer feature creep. (All of this _years_ before the tutorial was finished, mind you) Envy is substantially obvious, looking through his own FAQ, old tweets, things from his EvaXephon era, etc. it becomes clear that he wanted acclaim and respect only because other people had it. He _had_ to introduce several fringe assassinations because Hitman had them so he needed to have them, too. He _had_ to introduce his half-baked social interaction system because Persona had character interaction so he needed it too. He added useless feature after useless feature, unwarranted buggy slop onto more unwarranted buggy slop just because if _other_ games were going to have cool easter eggs or references, he needed to have those _and more._
Fun fact : After Phill said new Japanese games suck, the Japanese developer got more motivated and started working more and better on his games, at least that's what I heard.
man i was so embaressed and ashamed he said that lol hes seeing it like some type of weird competition for unecessary means while the japanese just make what they like without such thoughts
I'd argue that gluttony, being an excess of consumption, is better exemplified by the endless buying new tools, playing with new engines, downloading more assets you'll never use, etc. etc. I have 50 gigs of sound, 7 downloaded game engines, and who knows how many 3d models... And yet I've still not finished a game
Depends on the scale of what you're building. HD 3D game projects get huge, raw project files can easily reach 150gb+ with just the used content, thankfully good engine compression and recompilation algorithms will usually shrink it for release (cough CoD cough).
Pride: "I can finish this game by the end of the week." Greed: "Maybe a digital tablet will help me build assets faster..." Lust: "One day I'll be on stage/panel describing in excruciating detail all the problems and solutions I came up with and that only a handful of people will actually care about." Envy: "HE BUILT A GAME ENGINE, IN A CAVE, WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!" Gluttony: "Ooo, free assets. I don't know how they'll fit into my game, but I'll try to force them in anyway." Wrath: "I swear I've looked at this code over 50 times and can't spot what's wrong! Why is it giving me an error!? The thing sends the thing, so that the other thing can-" "Oh." Sloth: "Eh, maybe tomorrow I'll have that spark of energy to make up for today."
For gluttony, I would say George Broussard during the development of Duke Nukem Forever. He has the same problems with feature creep and tried to make DNF the most advanced game at the time... And then development dragged on for 14 years.
1:19 Pride: Phil Fish 4:02 Greed: Todd Howard 5:05 Lust: Yandere Dev 8:14 Envy: Mary Rukavina 9:07 Gluttony: Pixa After Dark 10:01 Wrath: YIIK Dev and Robert Romine 11:53 Sloth: Brianna Wu
I think Todd Howard is Greed, Pride and Sloth as well. They've been making the same unpolished games for 2 decades at this point with minor tweaks but somehow also getting steadily worse and worse at the same time. And when he was asked why does Starfield run so bad on PC he said "you might wanna upgrade your PC".
Or he could have just mentioned Nintendo. His game looks like it might have been inspired by their catalogue. You can't just tell me that Japan is behind us, when literally the biggest game company is based in Japan. Not to mention all of the other great game companies they have compared to the western triple A market.
@@magic2546 I agree I just find his take on japanese games being behind to be absurd especially when it's japanese game developers like Nintendo to got the game industry out of life support after the video game crash
@@magic2546context Japanese game were struggling as the western studios grew in popularity. So much that publishers from Japan started copying western style games. Capcom famously hired a bunch of western studios to reboot a bunch of their IPs at the time.
Sloth is just every Indie who hasn't earned their right to shave and bathe yet. (for those who don't know, it is common indie dev knowledge that you must release your game before you are allowed to groom yourself again, otherwise the planets will misalign and you'll release a mid game).
@@GodofDumps and fairly well anatomically detailed sculpts of furry art with nice feet i made as a thumbnail for some random rant videos of mine that clearly take enough talent to say I do more than fart around with ai
the thing with valve isnt laziness and not working its them being too perfectionist. also gotta take into account that valve barely has 300 employess wich is a fraction of what most studios have
We need a seven heavenly virtues of game developers, Scott Cawthon would probably be Kindness or Charity (because he listens to fan feedback and supports fangames)
@@magic2546 or he could just say no straight away, and still shows his positiveness towards japanese games that doesn't involve words like 'suck' But yeah, I don't think Phil might have made Fez if it wasn't for something like Mario
Man, then that Phil guy said that stuff about Japanese games, I felt myself cringe so hard, I curled into a ball, like damn. The amount of arrogance one must have to say that is beyound comprehension
As you were describing Gluttony in relation to game devs, my first thought was the people behind The Culling. …Man, the life span of that game was such an avoidable disaster. And why they thought going ahead with a sequel after a mess like that was a good idea is beyond me.
Thanks, this is a good video to keep in mind. I think having humility might be a good way to fend off pride and wrath. If someone criticizes your work, or makes unsolicited suggestions, it might be a good idea to just say "Thanks for the feedback", and move on, instead of getting upset and defensive. But that's easier said than... _said..._ because that's not in our nature.
This video is also a good lesson for any artist out there, not just video game designers. I am trying to be a singer/producer, and I gotta learn not to compare myself, work more, and put schedules on when to end projects. Good luck my fellow entertainers
Peter Molyneux should have been featured as gluttony. A pathological liar who promised features(that would never be realised) for games on the spot during interviews. He once claimed that you could watch trees grow in real time in Fable. I don't think he was malicious but his eagerness and ambition was his downfall. I've met him in person and he's a really nice guy but his flaws overshadow his strengths
@@Trianull Another problem I have is putting too much editing in my videos because I have too many ideas. This vid was supposed to be done in 3 days but took me a week to finish.
@@pixaafterdark9915 The gluttony/pride fusion :O. Yeah I have a similar deal with being proud of all the polish and small details in my games, and tend to try and make each asset perfect and polished from the start. Things take a while working in such a linear fashion!
Thank you for the callout post with gluttony lol I’ve had the issue of my projects (ALL of my projects, not just the game ideas) getting way out of hand and I feel like the one I’m working on right now is sort of heading that direction. Thank you for grabbing me by the shoulders and shaking me like a maraca
I would say that Curt Schilling would be a better representative of gluttony. Long story short, he was a champion baseball pitcher that founded a a studio to make his dream MMO, but he ended up taking taking a ton of grants from the State of Rhode Island (where he established the studio because they were willing to gove him the grant), and his ambition for the game lead to him blowing all the funds, and they had to file for bankruptcy. This was a statewide scandal at the time, and their Kingdoms of Amalur property was technically under the ownership of Rhode Island until THQ purchased it a few years back. All because one man that wasn't even a trained developer couldnt keep his finances and ambition in check
The YIIK dev is one of many devs who upon being called out on the bad aspects of the games they made replied with "Well it looks like the entire gaming industry including every last player on earth is wrong."
The quote you use from Andrew Allanson is a bit he was doing on podcast that's about getting performatively angry about stupid stuff that doesn't matter. He doesn't actually think those things, he was just trying to be an entertaining guest on the podcast. If you've fallen down the ironic to unironic yiik fan rabbit hole like a lot of folks have, you should check out their I.V preview streams. They give context to a BUNCH of stuff about the game and its development and I think you'd find it fascinating ;)
Scope creep is a real problem but it's also a reflex of inexperience, everyone goes through that. It's a sin if you keep repeating without realizing what you're doing.
The eighth deadly sin should be treason, which Night In The Woods should fit perfectly on. The lead developer, Alec Halowka, was betrayed by the staff and falsely accused rape by Zoe Quinn. This led to him taking his own life.
To give you an idea of how stupid gamergate was, on both sides. The whole controversy people saying Brianna Wu sucks, mainly because they found out she slept with reviewers to get good reviews. People took it too far and people on the other side (namely mainstream gaming media) started crusades against folks who didn't like Brianna Wu. Vast oversimplification, as it spiraled into a culture war, but it's such a stupid start to it all.
It goes a bit deeper than that. There was a pretty big tumblr raid by b some time before the gamergate stuff. Some folks on tumblr took it so hard they became heroes which supposedly included some very well connected individuals (although this is unverified. And some claim it was a botched attempt and others claim it was false entirely) The aftermath of that ended up being massive and contributed to a lot of folks rushing in to defend Anita and zoe during the five guys incident which then led to the gg event.
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 like I said, oversimplification, but yeah there was a lot boiling underneath the surface and it became a symbolic thing, less so about the topic itself. I always hate symbolic battles like that though.
I am studying software development in college, and plan to start making games one day. But I hope during that time I will be surrounded by people who will help me to stay on the right path
This is pretty solid advice. Especially about a game aimed for 366 levels, each estimated to run about two minutes. My guess is that I must release 61 or 122 levels at a time, for each level represents a day of the year.
In terms of the YandereDev situation, the content in his game is something I don't think should be worried about since none of it is real. However, I draw the line if any real person is harmed in some way. If it's true that he has spoken to a minor in a certain way, then my view of him will be even lower.
I don’t have problems with the content of the game itself. I just think his behavior was a bit weird. I didn’t really think that of him until all that stuff happened tho.
@@pixaafterdark9915, yeah, that's what I was trying to say. There are examples of putting "fan service" or "more" in games while the developers don't have any situations, such as the Senran Kagura games, Blue Archive to an extent (it's more of a wholesome teen story with dark moments like Kirby), and some indie adult games.
@@PKSuperStar256 yeah. I’m not one of those people who hates Kentaro Miura because of what he puts in berserk. I can separate art from the artist luckily. (Also I love berserk for the record)
Yiik is probably the worst game I’ve ever played but I understand exactly why Andrew Allanson got so angry bc he is a human and that’s what humans do when stressed and I thought the Yiik nameless psychosis demo was great so I’m glad he redeemed himself
To add onto that the podcast that he was on, the whole gimmick was that you discuss in an exaggeratedly angry tone. People just took that out of context to make him look worse than he really was.
I *knew* Roblox was gonna be mentioned somewhere in this video. Ppl from outside Roblox have no idea the amount of potential, but also the amount of bagworms, that this indie platform have.
I hugely appreciate it. idk why but one of the devs took down all footage of the game for some reason and i'm pretty sure it was cancelled permanently. I can ask to see a build of the game tho if it still exists.
the glutonny part actually can work also on illustration i see a lot of fellow artist add more and more and more stuff to a piece that already looks amazing
In an ideal world, (small/indie) video game developers would have like a discord server or something where constructive criticism takes place, and if a person is like "hey, i think you should add this, and this could possibly solve the problem." And the developer is like "thats a good point, i will add that." And adds it, and the person gets credit. If the developer doesn't like it, there would have to be some form of reasoning.
Question for anyone reading this comment: To who would you give the Orthodox 8th Deadly Sin of Despair? Who or what exemplifies it the best in gaming development?
I want to be a game dev, but lately I've been wondering if I had any chance at being somewhat succesful. Hearing your words in the outro ignited a spark of hope, and watching the video helped me realize that if the seven deadly sins can make popular games, so can I
I've played games with unlikable protagonists who later get great character development, so I can understand YIIK being upset, especially if it was just a one off rant. Kinda in the dark about anything else he's done, however. Never knew Phil Fish was such a jerk, now I don't feel bad for saying "meh" (it was cool, just not for me) to Fez however many years ago. As for what sins I've felt the most, envy and sloth. I got over envy after a few game jams, sloth is a constant struggle still. Only recently got done with something "due" 2 months ago.
Thanks for the good video mate. I am currently a new game developer and this really helps me to understand what the best way to act when making a game.
Honestly I could argue Erythia under greed aswell if you've seen the state of Sonar Studios' games. Lots of payment options, lots of cashgrabs, and the simulator games that are more one-off just to get some cash from a small community that loves roleplay games (Griffons Destiny, Animal Kingdom, and the new upcoming wolf game). Being involved in the ordeal of her stealing designs and her acting haughty and ignorant was a "treat" indeed. She did snap at me over some old deleted twitter postings where I gave her constructive criticism. There was a whole entire google docs on the stolen fakemon designs from when she worked on Arena X (the fakemon game) and her responses about it too. Suprised she has reached this far out with influence tho, even if its not positive cause she clearly thrives in negativity based on how she argues and acts towards others. She has gotten MAYBE better compared to her past self but her attitude sure really hasn't changed even after my experience working with her.
@@pixaafterdark9915 I've gotten to know her a bit since I was the Project Manager for Creatures of Sonaria (I quit back in July). I've worked on the game for like 4 years though with 2 being a PM
Call me butthurt if you want but Robert Ramine will always be the one I have the most personal animosity towards. Say what you will about the others, (even those who are objectively worse people, *Yanderedev*) but no one else insulted the entire medium of gaming and everyone who plays them in a juvenile attempt to justify the failure of their needlessly overwritten, poorly designed artsy fartsy bullshit game.
I'd say Kazunori Yamauchi (head of Polyphony Digital, the mastermind behind Gran Turismo) embodies the sin of pride. He invented the genre as we know it, but since the PS3 days everything has been developed only to please him and GT turned into a passion project for him, without listening to any criticism or request from long time fans of the game, basically antagonizing them too by saying how it's his vision and it's the right vision and they don't matter.
I wouldn't say that entirely, what with indie games talking over the scene. Pretty much anyone from anywhere can make a great game with enough passion and dedication. If we're talking about AAA games though, or just games that aren't indie, then yeah this is completely true.😅
I got born just in the right time to watch the Brazillian great times of micraft youtube content, I got born in the right time to experience prime minecraft (pirate edition of course, I am not rich) and see it get where it is today, still good.
Based YIIK positivity. Most misunderstood game and needlessly harassed devs. I'd say Wrath works for YIIK from the consumer angle as well: there are people who unfairly hate it to their guts and know nothing about it XD
The guy used the death of an actual woman for his crappy game. It's extremely distasteful. Also the game is garbage and the majority of characters are unnecessary as their abilities were useless.. The leveling up process was also awful in the game.
@@thefatcat7938the inspiration from the eliza lam case was less about the dead girl and more about the asshole with main character syndrome obsessed over her… and no it wasn’t andrew allanson. that dick show interview was played up avgn style, because that’s the dick show’s gimmick. the gameplay issues are being fixed with the i.v update completely overhauling the game
@@Merlandesecould you explain how they did? I know nothing about YiiK but those seem like some valid pieces of criticisms. I’m just a bit confused and would like to hear the good and bad of this game (:
@@seandorama5932 YIIK is about how playing internet detective about real life missing people is creepy and bad, among other things. the only real parallel between Sammy Park's death and the Elisa Lam story is the elevator and the positioning of the camera. it does make allusions to Elisa, however a TON of other stories have done similar things (petscop, for example) to illustrate their points and themes, also we constantly see Alex in the wrong but I think a lot of people take Alex defending himself in monologues as the game defending alex, when that's far from the truth. alex is manipulating a lot of the story in YIIK, as the narrator of events for most of the game he's trying to convince the player he deserves redemption while he makes fun of dead people, is creepy towards women, and literally causes one of your party members to KHS. tl;dr: they use the Elisa Lam parallel to showcase how weird it was that people were trying to solve the case online, and that people like alex are bad. also the leveling is odd but i found it funny when i maxxed luck out to 100 and started critting people every turn.
You should have included kingsisle as pride or sloth, especially with the newest pirate101 update being so bad, but id say pride fits them the best They dont listen to you, all they do is gaslight and if you criticize them they get on their high horse and say that you are stupid for criticizing them.
It gets worse when you realize they are pretty bad at coding without unraveling into a mess, so they talk trash but can't back it up Worst of all is that they essentially act like they are Bethesda and EA without the same power and reach, they are egotistical posers deserving of the sin of pride's medal for their utter delusions and ego
I don't suppose you've got some kind of repository for those pretty pixel art backgrounds? My favorites are the ones that are animated with nothing but palette changes, I think I recognized some of them from that Canvas Cycle gallery
Palette change technique is called colour cycling. The most notable(and I think he invented it, but I may be wrong) person who uses this technique is Mark Ferrari. You should check him out
my man, i had to just skip over your Todd Howard section. Hearing you pronounce Bethesda (buh·thez·duh) like you did, made me want die. The rest of the video was decent though. Good job.
You made it seem like the Yiik Dev was a real piece of work. But then you tell me he's ok and say a lot of positive things about him. Was that outburst the only thing he was known for?
I was driving down Bethesda road and I had the terrifying realization that I’ve been mispronouncing Bethesda for years. Let’s pretend I was doing it ironically in this video please.
I thought you were clowning on them
are you after dark or just dark
@@thagomizer8485 i've been saying it like that for over half a decade and not a single person corrected me. I've heard it pronounced correctly but it always went over my head.
Oh man you made it worse.
@@pixaafterdark9915how is it supposed to be pronounced?
Basically:
Listen to criticism
Don't bloat the market
Don't be a creep
Don't steal from others
Don't bloat your own game
We don't have to hear every opinion you have
Actually put in effort
By "dont bloat your own game", do you mean content wise or asset wise?
@@zednopercent8994 Both
@@glowingfox704 that's seems a bit unfair, considering games like terraria do this. Unless if you were thinging about overbloating or adding too much repetitive content that it makes the game long and tedious.
@@zednopercent8994 Yeah
@@zednopercent8994 terraria has plenty of unused content, the game is def not bloated, the developers make sure to discard lame stuff
YandereDev embodies every deadly sin lmao. Could’ve sworn bro sold his soul to make the game but it isn’t even done yet bro 💀
Maybe he sold his soul for the fame and now has that but not in the positive way he hoped for
Bro sold a soul he didn’t have💀
My theory is that he sold his soul when he 10 so that he could buy some chocolate.
So i get Lust, Wrath, Pride, Sloth and Greed but how this guy represents Gluttony and Envy?
@@alvynnjethroevangelista9778 Gluttony in the context of this video is to over-indulge in "feeding" (adding unnecessary content to) your game, bloating its "weight" (file size and reducing production speeds) for the sake of having the game become "full" by cramming as much fat into it as possible instead of giving it a good structure. Alex (YandereDev) added in superfluous and half-baked social interaction, dozens if not hundreds of useless easter eggs, alternative game modes, unnecessary (and gross) game mechanics, etc. because he wanted his game to be robust, not with carefully and curated content ensuring a whole, cohesive experience, but with sheer feature creep. (All of this _years_ before the tutorial was finished, mind you)
Envy is substantially obvious, looking through his own FAQ, old tweets, things from his EvaXephon era, etc. it becomes clear that he wanted acclaim and respect only because other people had it. He _had_ to introduce several fringe assassinations because Hitman had them so he needed to have them, too. He _had_ to introduce his half-baked social interaction system because Persona had character interaction so he needed it too. He added useless feature after useless feature, unwarranted buggy slop onto more unwarranted buggy slop just because if _other_ games were going to have cool easter eggs or references, he needed to have those _and more._
Let's be real Yanderedev is all of them
He is the icon of sin
Alex collecting the seven deadly sins like they are the infinity stones
@@ckinggaming5bucketmadness766The longer the icon of sin is on earth, the stronger he will become
@@markereenithanks for reminding me of this meme, it's been a while
He's the the new 8th sin
It's called Cringe
Fun fact : After Phill said new Japanese games suck, the Japanese developer got more motivated and started working more and better on his games, at least that's what I heard.
I wonder how CAPCOM, SEGA, & Square handled this…
man i was so embaressed and ashamed he said that lol hes seeing it like some type of weird competition for unecessary means while the japanese just make what they like without such thoughts
Who's the Japanese developer btw?
I dont know why but he's "you suck" is really motivating
@@observerf-03p.d39 I don't know his name :(
I'd argue that gluttony, being an excess of consumption, is better exemplified by the endless buying new tools, playing with new engines, downloading more assets you'll never use, etc. etc.
I have 50 gigs of sound, 7 downloaded game engines, and who knows how many 3d models... And yet I've still not finished a game
Yeah that's true tbh. I know a lot of devs who just buy a bunch of assets they're not gonna use ever.
Depends on the scale of what you're building. HD 3D game projects get huge, raw project files can easily reach 150gb+ with just the used content, thankfully good engine compression and recompilation algorithms will usually shrink it for release (cough CoD cough).
So Star Citizen would fit there? Lmao
Sounds like a certain dude who was involved with Duke Nukem Forever.
Pride: "I can finish this game by the end of the week."
Greed: "Maybe a digital tablet will help me build assets faster..."
Lust: "One day I'll be on stage/panel describing in excruciating detail all the problems and solutions I came up with and that only a handful of people will actually care about."
Envy: "HE BUILT A GAME ENGINE, IN A CAVE, WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!"
Gluttony: "Ooo, free assets. I don't know how they'll fit into my game, but I'll try to force them in anyway."
Wrath: "I swear I've looked at this code over 50 times and can't spot what's wrong! Why is it giving me an error!? The thing sends the thing, so that the other thing can-" "Oh."
Sloth: "Eh, maybe tomorrow I'll have that spark of energy to make up for today."
Let's be real, the Wrath is every programmer on this planet
Ok but I'd argue a drawing tablet is still good to have all around, for me greed would be buying a second/third monitor or something
@Josuh Funnily enough, I couldn't work without a second monitor.
@@whynotanyting I would love a second monitor honestly but at this point I'm too alt+tab pilled
@@O-t-D "WHY DOES THIS CODE NOT WORK???? I HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT FOR A WEEK NOW AND ITS STILL NOT WORKI-" "Oh"
For gluttony, I would say George Broussard during the development of Duke Nukem Forever. He has the same problems with feature creep and tried to make DNF the most advanced game at the time... And then development dragged on for 14 years.
Really wish I added that in hindsight. It’s really a tragedy tbh and the story of the game’s development makes me depressed.
The most disappointing part to me was how they butchered Duke’s character
@@admiralAlfonso9001 i miss the cool duke. dnf duke is a douche
@@admiralAlfonso9001 Same, Duke Nukem forever ruined his character
At least DNF2001 was leaked for the whole world to see.
2:58 his response made me physically cringe, I feel so bad for the japanese fan specially cuz he literally got inspired by nintendo
That's such an insane take of his man. Like, that's an answer I expect of someone who has completely lost the plot
1:19 Pride: Phil Fish
4:02 Greed: Todd Howard
5:05 Lust: Yandere Dev
8:14 Envy: Mary Rukavina
9:07 Gluttony: Pixa After Dark
10:01 Wrath: YIIK Dev and Robert Romine
11:53 Sloth: Brianna Wu
I think Todd Howard is Greed, Pride and Sloth as well. They've been making the same unpolished games for 2 decades at this point with minor tweaks but somehow also getting steadily worse and worse at the same time. And when he was asked why does Starfield run so bad on PC he said "you might wanna upgrade your PC".
I am glad he can admit to his old mistakes and cam attribute his overambition to Gluttony. I represent Sloth myself.
Yandev made a full ass prequel before finishing the first game
Lol including yourself is a gangster move
3:08 a simple no, or i dont play Japanese games would have been fine
Or he could have just mentioned Nintendo. His game looks like it might have been inspired by their catalogue.
You can't just tell me that Japan is behind us, when literally the biggest game company is based in Japan. Not to mention all of the other great game companies they have compared to the western triple A market.
@@magic2546 I agree I just find his take on japanese games being behind to be absurd especially when it's japanese game developers like Nintendo to got the game industry out of life support after the video game crash
@@magic2546context Japanese game were struggling as the western studios grew in popularity. So much that publishers from Japan started copying western style games. Capcom famously hired a bunch of western studios to reboot a bunch of their IPs at the time.
Sloth is just every Indie who hasn't earned their right to shave and bathe yet. (for those who don't know, it is common indie dev knowledge that you must release your game before you are allowed to groom yourself again, otherwise the planets will misalign and you'll release a mid game).
Kind of bold thing to hear from someone with an ai generated furry pfp
Assuming you didnt earn that right yet?
Be careful to not trip on the Sin of Wrath above.
I mean, games take a long time to make. Games that are rushed are super bad, EX: E.T was made super quickly and it's also super trash.b
@@GodofDumps and fairly well anatomically detailed sculpts of furry art with nice feet i made as a thumbnail for some random rant videos of mine that clearly take enough talent to say I do more than fart around with ai
I thought Sloth would be the entirety of Valve
More like neglect.
@@verysadcatc7897 well said
@@verysadcatc7897 they are printing money at this point
the thing with valve isnt laziness and not working its them being too perfectionist. also gotta take into account that valve barely has 300 employess wich is a fraction of what most studios have
@@verysadcatc7897 same thing?
Phil Fish be like: "Everybody is a Moron but me"
It takes a lot of humility to include yourself in a list about the Seven sins.
We need a seven heavenly virtues of game developers, Scott Cawthon would probably be Kindness or Charity (because he listens to fan feedback and supports fangames)
ZUN (Touhou Project) can be either diligence or humility.
Why would we need that? Wouldn't that have a chance of aging poorly in any time?
@@giantpinkcat doesn't matter
@@giantpinkcatstill could serve as a reminder of the ideal of a game dev
Concerned Ape/Eric Barone, Stardew Valley creator, would have to be on the list😊
Meanwhile, Fromsoftware (a Japanese game dev) released Elden Ring, and we don't even know where virgin Phil Fish is now
Hell, he could have mention almost any Nintendo game. Guy really acted like he couldn't just say Mario and call it a day.
@@magic2546 or he could just say no straight away, and still shows his positiveness towards japanese games that doesn't involve words like 'suck'
But yeah, I don't think Phil might have made Fez if it wasn't for something like Mario
For all we know he could be dead.
How about the case for Square & Sonic Team…!?
To be fair, Elden Ring came a decade late...
During that statement Fish made...DmC: Devil May Cry.
Honestly, Yanderedev could fill all 7 slots.
It’s true, but who wants a video all one person.
Man, then that Phil guy said that stuff about Japanese games, I felt myself cringe so hard, I curled into a ball, like damn. The amount of arrogance one must have to say that is beyound comprehension
Surprised Tommy Tellerico didn't make any of these
How can he be guilty of sin if his mother is very proud of him?
Why would he be on this list?
He made this video!
You should do a video on a game called “indie apocalypse” It’s literally video game references mixed with adult humor (mostly gross stuff)
As you were describing Gluttony in relation to game devs, my first thought was the people behind The Culling.
…Man, the life span of that game was such an avoidable disaster. And why they thought going ahead with a sequel after a mess like that was a good idea is beyond me.
I'm glad you understand the sin of Gluttony. It's not just eating lots. It's overindulgence. Overconsumption isn't purely physical
Thanks, this is a good video to keep in mind. I think having humility might be a good way to fend off pride and wrath. If someone criticizes your work, or makes unsolicited suggestions, it might be a good idea to just say "Thanks for the feedback", and move on, instead of getting upset and defensive. But that's easier said than... _said..._ because that's not in our nature.
This video is also a good lesson for any artist out there, not just video game designers. I am trying to be a singer/producer, and I gotta learn not to compare myself, work more, and put schedules on when to end projects. Good luck my fellow entertainers
Peter Molyneux should have been featured as gluttony. A pathological liar who promised features(that would never be realised) for games on the spot during interviews. He once claimed that you could watch trees grow in real time in Fable. I don't think he was malicious but his eagerness and ambition was his downfall. I've met him in person and he's a really nice guy but his flaws overshadow his strengths
I read "I've met him in prison" and was really curious about that story for a second
Great video! Your editing skills are out of this world, and the topic is incredibly interesting.
@@fargoretro I pride myself on my editing abilities. Thank you very much!
@@pixaafterdark9915 but I thought you put yourself under gluttony,,,
@@Trianull Another problem I have is putting too much editing in my videos because I have too many ideas. This vid was supposed to be done in 3 days but took me a week to finish.
@@pixaafterdark9915 The gluttony/pride fusion :O. Yeah I have a similar deal with being proud of all the polish and small details in my games, and tend to try and make each asset perfect and polished from the start. Things take a while working in such a linear fashion!
Thank you for the callout post with gluttony lol I’ve had the issue of my projects (ALL of my projects, not just the game ideas) getting way out of hand and I feel like the one I’m working on right now is sort of heading that direction. Thank you for grabbing me by the shoulders and shaking me like a maraca
Incels before infamous ones like Rodger were less... absolutely terrifying.
wait Erythia on here? LMAO you're the goat
I would say that Curt Schilling would be a better representative of gluttony. Long story short, he was a champion baseball pitcher that founded a a studio to make his dream MMO, but he ended up taking taking a ton of grants from the State of Rhode Island (where he established the studio because they were willing to gove him the grant), and his ambition for the game lead to him blowing all the funds, and they had to file for bankruptcy. This was a statewide scandal at the time, and their Kingdoms of Amalur property was technically under the ownership of Rhode Island until THQ purchased it a few years back. All because one man that wasn't even a trained developer couldnt keep his finances and ambition in check
A real slap to the face for all aspiring devs from Rhode Island.
The YIIK dev is one of many devs who upon being called out on the bad aspects of the games they made replied with "Well it looks like the entire gaming industry including every last player on earth is wrong."
The quote you use from Andrew Allanson is a bit he was doing on podcast that's about getting performatively angry about stupid stuff that doesn't matter. He doesn't actually think those things, he was just trying to be an entertaining guest on the podcast.
If you've fallen down the ironic to unironic yiik fan rabbit hole like a lot of folks have, you should check out their I.V preview streams. They give context to a BUNCH of stuff about the game and its development and I think you'd find it fascinating ;)
Yeah I actually like the game. I knew about the podcast gimmick but found out too late to put it in the vid.
Scope creep is a real problem but it's also a reflex of inexperience, everyone goes through that. It's a sin if you keep repeating without realizing what you're doing.
The eighth deadly sin should be treason, which Night In The Woods should fit perfectly on. The lead developer, Alec Halowka, was betrayed by the staff and falsely accused rape by Zoe Quinn. This led to him taking his own life.
Still mad about that
wasn't thanks to her that the first gamergate started?
WHAT
just looked this up to see for myself, dear god this is so sad
@@Aurora-pi6jr People should still be mad about that. She has no right to be walking outside of a jailcell, let alone working in the games industry.
Oh my god I didn't know about that
To give you an idea of how stupid gamergate was, on both sides. The whole controversy people saying Brianna Wu sucks, mainly because they found out she slept with reviewers to get good reviews.
People took it too far and people on the other side (namely mainstream gaming media) started crusades against folks who didn't like Brianna Wu.
Vast oversimplification, as it spiraled into a culture war, but it's such a stupid start to it all.
It goes a bit deeper than that.
There was a pretty big tumblr raid by b some time before the gamergate stuff.
Some folks on tumblr took it so hard they became heroes which supposedly included some very well connected individuals (although this is unverified. And some claim it was a botched attempt and others claim it was false entirely)
The aftermath of that ended up being massive and contributed to a lot of folks rushing in to defend Anita and zoe during the five guys incident which then led to the gg event.
@@sudanemamimikiki1527 like I said, oversimplification, but yeah there was a lot boiling underneath the surface and it became a symbolic thing, less so about the topic itself. I always hate symbolic battles like that though.
Good video, try doing the 7 Heavenly Virtues as Game Devs.
True
Scott Cawton and Toby Fox are on that list
Already have.
I am studying software development in college, and plan to start making games one day. But I hope during that time I will be surrounded by people who will help me to stay on the right path
Lets goooo, I can tell this is gonna be a banger
This is pretty solid advice. Especially about a game aimed for 366 levels, each estimated to run about two minutes. My guess is that I must release 61 or 122 levels at a time, for each level represents a day of the year.
In terms of the YandereDev situation, the content in his game is something I don't think should be worried about since none of it is real. However, I draw the line if any real person is harmed in some way. If it's true that he has spoken to a minor in a certain way, then my view of him will be even lower.
I don’t have problems with the content of the game itself. I just think his behavior was a bit weird. I didn’t really think that of him until all that stuff happened tho.
@@pixaafterdark9915, yeah, that's what I was trying to say. There are examples of putting "fan service" or "more" in games while the developers don't have any situations, such as the Senran Kagura games, Blue Archive to an extent (it's more of a wholesome teen story with dark moments like Kirby), and some indie adult games.
@@PKSuperStar256 yeah. I’m not one of those people who hates Kentaro Miura because of what he puts in berserk. I can separate art from the artist luckily. (Also I love berserk for the record)
@@pixaafterdark9915, it's sad that too many people these days can't separate the two.
For me it was more how defensive he was of it when people suggested alternatives for people who were uncomfortable with it
I better see Redigit and Eric Barone SOMEWHERE on the eventual 7 heavenly virtues video
A UA-camr putting himself in a seven deadly sins video gains my respect
Yiik is probably the worst game I’ve ever played but I understand exactly why Andrew Allanson got so angry bc he is a human and that’s what humans do when stressed and I thought the Yiik nameless psychosis demo was great so I’m glad he redeemed himself
To add onto that the podcast that he was on, the whole gimmick was that you discuss in an exaggeratedly angry tone. People just took that out of context to make him look worse than he really was.
I *knew* Roblox was gonna be mentioned somewhere in this video.
Ppl from outside Roblox have no idea the amount of potential, but also the amount of bagworms, that this indie platform have.
Hell am a veteran player in Roblox and holy THE AMOUNT OF PREDS in the platform is alarming..
Have you ever thought about doing the Seven Heavenly Virtues as game developers?
Tbh out of all shown games yours had the coolest style. I wanna see it/play it!
I hugely appreciate it. idk why but one of the devs took down all footage of the game for some reason and i'm pretty sure it was cancelled permanently. I can ask to see a build of the game tho if it still exists.
Man, this is a gold concept, good work!
You're quite underrated honestly. Your editing? 👌
the glutonny part actually can work also on illustration i see a lot of fellow artist add more and more and more stuff to a piece that already looks amazing
Joon the king made a two and a half hour long documentary on yandere dev
Well this is a pretty cool video so far- DYNAMITE HEADDY MENTIONED?!?!
I love dynamite headdy.
In an ideal world, (small/indie) video game developers would have like a discord server or something where constructive criticism takes place, and if a person is like "hey, i think you should add this, and this could possibly solve the problem." And the developer is like "thats a good point, i will add that." And adds it, and the person gets credit. If the developer doesn't like it, there would have to be some form of reasoning.
But when will we get the 7 heavenly virtues of game development?
Question for anyone reading this comment: To who would you give the Orthodox 8th Deadly Sin of Despair? Who or what exemplifies it the best in gaming development?
I want to be a game dev, but lately I've been wondering if I had any chance at being somewhat succesful. Hearing your words in the outro ignited a spark of hope, and watching the video helped me realize that if the seven deadly sins can make popular games, so can I
Super glad I could help man. Good luck on your journey.
i resonated with edmund mcmillen trying to laugh loud enough to shut phil up lmao
nintendo is also an excellent representation of wrath, especially in this day and age.
...Well, this is a good list of what not to do if I become a dev. BTW, that Mother fangame looks really nice. Kudos to your team's graphics artist(s)
Phil Fish literally made EchoChrome again
I've played games with unlikable protagonists who later get great character development, so I can understand YIIK being upset, especially if it was just a one off rant. Kinda in the dark about anything else he's done, however.
Never knew Phil Fish was such a jerk, now I don't feel bad for saying "meh" (it was cool, just not for me) to Fez however many years ago.
As for what sins I've felt the most, envy and sloth. I got over envy after a few game jams, sloth is a constant struggle still. Only recently got done with something "due" 2 months ago.
Phil Fish looks like Tom Kenny’s more stylish but significantly more evil twin brother.
Thanks for the good video mate. I am currently a new game developer and this really helps me to understand what the best way to act when making a game.
Gluttony wasn't George Broussard? Colour me surprised.
I'm too mentally unstable to make a game. To have a dream is a good thing, but sometimes dreams are better stay just dreams.
Same here brother. I freak out whenever I don’t finish a video on time and it literally eats away at my soul.
Honestly I could argue Erythia under greed aswell if you've seen the state of Sonar Studios' games. Lots of payment options, lots of cashgrabs, and the simulator games that are more one-off just to get some cash from a small community that loves roleplay games (Griffons Destiny, Animal Kingdom, and the new upcoming wolf game).
Being involved in the ordeal of her stealing designs and her acting haughty and ignorant was a "treat" indeed. She did snap at me over some old deleted twitter postings where I gave her constructive criticism. There was a whole entire google docs on the stolen fakemon designs from when she worked on Arena X (the fakemon game) and her responses about it too.
Suprised she has reached this far out with influence tho, even if its not positive cause she clearly thrives in negativity based on how she argues and acts towards others. She has gotten MAYBE better compared to her past self but her attitude sure really hasn't changed even after my experience working with her.
Wow, you've interacted with her? I honestly wasn't expecting anyone to be familiar with her (unless she herself saw it and showed it to her friends).
@@pixaafterdark9915 I've gotten to know her a bit since I was the Project Manager for Creatures of Sonaria (I quit back in July). I've worked on the game for like 4 years though with 2 being a PM
Great editing!
The fact that Randy Pitchford wasn't on here is blasphemy. Bro is a menace
Call me butthurt if you want but Robert Ramine will always be the one I have the most personal animosity towards. Say what you will about the others, (even those who are objectively worse people, *Yanderedev*) but no one else insulted the entire medium of gaming and everyone who plays them in a juvenile attempt to justify the failure of their needlessly overwritten, poorly designed artsy fartsy bullshit game.
I'd say Kazunori Yamauchi (head of Polyphony Digital, the mastermind behind Gran Turismo) embodies the sin of pride.
He invented the genre as we know it, but since the PS3 days everything has been developed only to please him and GT turned into a passion project for him, without listening to any criticism or request from long time fans of the game, basically antagonizing them too by saying how it's his vision and it's the right vision and they don't matter.
Atlus heard Phil Fish telling japanese devs to make better interfaces and responded with "bet."
2:20
*looks at pfp*
My brain: ITS TIME FOR A GAAAME CHAAANGER!
Phil: uhh, update your UI
Phil: Elden Ring bad because Main Menu is dated
Instantly subscribed for Tomodachi Life sfx.
Unfathomably based
The fact that you showed all the words for that intro part and just showed Omori for "mental illness" kills me
Japanese games are kicking our ass 😢
I wouldn't say that entirely, what with indie games talking over the scene. Pretty much anyone from anywhere can make a great game with enough passion and dedication.
If we're talking about AAA games though, or just games that aren't indie, then yeah this is completely true.😅
Glad to see the "pronouncing YiiK as 'Yeek'" movement is still going strong
I loved u from the start until Gluttony
I loved you even more, when yourself in, balls of steel for real
RIP Globescape, could've been the best quirky indie RPG inspired by Earthbound
11:00 Well, it depends on execution. It worked for Arthas in WC3, but it doesn't quite work with Amara in Stormgate.
If I were at that Phil Fish live event and saw him say that to the Japanese guy, you bet I'd be throwing some tomatoes.
7 heavenly virtues as game devs when
You should do this but with the seven heavenly virtues
I got born just in the right time to watch the Brazillian great times of micraft youtube content, I got born in the right time to experience prime minecraft (pirate edition of course, I am not rich) and see it get where it is today, still good.
Based YIIK positivity. Most misunderstood game and needlessly harassed devs. I'd say Wrath works for YIIK from the consumer angle as well: there are people who unfairly hate it to their guts and know nothing about it XD
The guy used the death of an actual woman for his crappy game. It's extremely distasteful. Also the game is garbage and the majority of characters are unnecessary as their abilities were useless.. The leveling up process was also awful in the game.
@@thefatcat7938 Thanks for dropping by to prove my point!
@@thefatcat7938the inspiration from the eliza lam case was less about the dead girl and more about the asshole with main character syndrome obsessed over her… and no it wasn’t andrew allanson. that dick show interview was played up avgn style, because that’s the dick show’s gimmick. the gameplay issues are being fixed with the i.v update completely overhauling the game
@@Merlandesecould you explain how they did? I know nothing about YiiK but those seem like some valid pieces of criticisms. I’m just a bit confused and would like to hear the good and bad of this game (:
@@seandorama5932 YIIK is about how playing internet detective about real life missing people is creepy and bad, among other things. the only real parallel between Sammy Park's death and the Elisa Lam story is the elevator and the positioning of the camera. it does make allusions to Elisa, however a TON of other stories have done similar things (petscop, for example) to illustrate their points and themes, also we constantly see Alex in the wrong but I think a lot of people take Alex defending himself in monologues as the game defending alex, when that's far from the truth.
alex is manipulating a lot of the story in YIIK, as the narrator of events for most of the game he's trying to convince the player he deserves redemption while he makes fun of dead people, is creepy towards women, and literally causes one of your party members to KHS.
tl;dr: they use the Elisa Lam parallel to showcase how weird it was that people were trying to solve the case online, and that people like alex are bad.
also the leveling is odd but i found it funny when i maxxed luck out to 100 and started critting people every turn.
Wouldn't Gluttony be attributed to the dude that was behind developing Duke Nukem Forever, bro had so much scope creep it wrapped around the planet
holy peak I'm in this video (actually insane job though like this video is incredible)
You should have included kingsisle as pride or sloth, especially with the newest pirate101 update being so bad, but id say pride fits them the best
They dont listen to you, all they do is gaslight and if you criticize them they get on their high horse and say that you are stupid for criticizing them.
It gets worse when you realize they are pretty bad at coding without unraveling into a mess, so they talk trash but can't back it up
Worst of all is that they essentially act like they are Bethesda and EA without the same power and reach, they are egotistical posers deserving of the sin of pride's medal for their utter delusions and ego
What is the first song in the cool intro?
@@varughesethomas2666 huit octobre 1971
I had to do a double take when you brought up creatures of Sonaria
Yandev is lust and sloth
A deadly combination
How about the 7 Heavenly Virtues
I don't suppose you've got some kind of repository for those pretty pixel art backgrounds? My favorites are the ones that are animated with nothing but palette changes, I think I recognized some of them from that Canvas Cycle gallery
imgur.com/a/fighting-gifs-GPlx4 I get most of my gifs from here.
Oh, cool! Awesome, thanks!
Palette change technique is called colour cycling. The most notable(and I think he invented it, but I may be wrong) person who uses this technique is Mark Ferrari. You should check him out
Can't forget about the Samus png part from one of Yandere's stream (I know Samus is 35 and she's legitimate but still)
@@MrsLadyLady21 yeah that was cringe asf lol
my man, i had to just skip over your Todd Howard section. Hearing you pronounce Bethesda (buh·thez·duh) like you did, made me want die. The rest of the video was decent though. Good job.
I'd also put Ubisoft for Pride and Konami for Greed as runner ups.
I remember when Alex Yiik unleashed his wrath
You made it seem like the Yiik Dev was a real piece of work. But then you tell me he's ok and say a lot of positive things about him.
Was that outburst the only thing he was known for?