Intel i9 9900K... is this REALLY worth it??
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2018
- The Intel 9900K is here! But at what cost??
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9900K in 2022 - still not upgrade time. I also have a 12900k and ...I can't say it was truly upgrade time.
The 9900K is amazing.
i also own a i9 9900k and a 3080 playing 4k high refresh, i'm so curious if the i9 9900k can fully utilize the 4090 ti/ 4080 i'm definitely gonna buy a 4080/ 4090 ti.
Guys, I bought a 9900k which is pcie 3 , is it ok to buy a 4060ti or 4070 which is pcie 4 ? Or do I have to get 11th/12th/13th intel cpu ?
I’m asking if the pcie 3 would limit the 40 series pcie4 gpu
@@exxxz1999 upgraded from an 8700k to the 9900k (cheapo ebay buy) last month. Did not want to leave my Z390 just yet. I'm on a Maximus XI Formula. The new mobos don't really seem enticing. Haha. The 9900k seems more solid in holding frames especially the 0.1% lows.
Paired with a 3080 Ti for shittyly optimised MW2 and Warzone.
crazy . i ran my 9900k with turbo boost off for 4 years . I'm playing 2077 2.0 now and saw the speed was kinda lacking . i enabled turbo boost and it runs at 5ghz . i was worried about the temps because i see it ran at 76c max under load with 97-100% usage on all cores .
seems i don't have to worry since it seems like people got beyond 80c 4 years ago . never even changed the thermal paste once (i was worried because without turbo it ran at about 65 max)
If you'd bought an R7 2700X instead like a non-idiot you'd be able to in-socket upgrade to an R7 5800X3D today for only like ≈$200-250 out of pocket. 🤷 Sorry, not sorry.
Can't wait to see The Verge's video on this. "This is an 8-Core CPU. Yes. That's right. We have one."
AMD have had it seens 2012 on mainstream, aaand again in 2017 while as Intel have refused to push the marked as long as naiv fanboys belived there bogus cunt talk.. sooo, whats your point?
@@IshidaNikurasu to be fair they barely sneak by the definition of 8 core. I own a fx 8350 and just tell people it's a 4 core 8 thread CPU.
IshidaNikurasu he was referring to the DIY build a gaming PC video by the verge. At one point of the terrible video, he bragged about having a cpu chip. Video went viral. And you started talking shit to a stranger on UA-cam about something you had no clue about. You need to relax man. Nothing is that serious.
@ except there was a class action lawsuit that ruled they were not 8 core processors.
@ www.anandtech.com/show/14804/amd-settlement
Maybe you should make sure you know what you're talking about before you start calling other people out.
Year 2021: Intel releases i11 11100k. Price: $1000 and requires you to live in Antarctica.
Year 2022: Antarctica has melted. Becomes USA Part 2. Intel saves all the people who were flooded due to Intel.
@@cdurkinz china part 2 ^_^
@@vkobevk haha maybe
Year 2023: Everyone uses liquid nitrogen to cool their cpu's.
Ashfaque Ahsan 1000?
I think you mean 10,000
Wtf was that fractal design cardboard box about?
Do they expect me to go out and buy a product they didn't show because a guy rolled up in an expensive car?
It was a lambo ad ;)
Jayz channel is targeted towards a teenage audience just like Bitchwit.
@@benjy117 That doesn't explain why they would show a cardboard box instead of the actual product. That's screams a real lack of confidence in your product if your too scared to show it off.
I did
I was wondering about that commercial myself
Double the price for 10% more performance? Intel, no.
J B WORLD'S BEST GAMING PROCESSOR
What is sad here is that intel already made a apple like fanbase that will always buy anything that they thrown to the market at any price, I hope that amd next year (whit the 7nm) put them in a situation impossible to justify their prices whit more performance (or same) and lower prices.
If this is Intel's response, they are in deep deep shit next year with the 7nm process.
Dude Intel has proved over the years that their processors are much reliable.....Intel makes one mistake and suddenly its being put in a bad shadow......also AMD has upped their game with the new 2nd gen Ryzen and Threadripper processors, which means that it is mandatory for Intel to come out with an answer, and believe me, this is not it.....The 9th gen processors are still based on coffee lake architectures, and we should all expect something greater down the line.......
Multiple mistakes + fake advertisement two times in one year, they are desperate, milking the 14nm since 2015, they were good one time, but since ryzen launch there is no reason to buy intel, they are surviving at the ribs of their fanboys ...
0:37 So are we gonna talk about the Lamborghini giveaway?1
I think you should go to Tai Lopez's channel for that kind of giveaway..
Nah, gotta go to Ali-A or something for that
rented
r/whoooosh
@@itskestarrd7027 LOL
After 3 years it turns out that 9900k was best deal of 9th gen
And 2700x struggles
I bought a 9900k which is pcie 3 , is it ok to buy a 4060ti or 4070 which is pcie 4 ? Or do I have to get 11th/12th/13th intel cpu ?
I’m asking if the pcie 3 would limit the 40 series pcie4 gpu
@@ibra5o6 it will be okay, benchmarks do not show major differences as long as you will not run out of VRam and don't have 16 lanes PCI-E bus... Oh wait 4060TI exist... Don't buy that graphics card xD
Yo I picked up the i9 for $300 bucks at microcenter and it's a beast and it is slightly better than the 5600x while having two more cores and 4 more threads
lol pretty much the same for me. Got my 9900k for 350$ at microcenter.
5600x is shit for it's price
Im pretty late but waiting for an i9 9900 non k for less than 160 lol. Used of course
its kind of crazy I don't even know you and I trust you more than the vast majority of people I know IRL. I base large financial buys on what you say and it hasn't let me down =)
IKR! i built my beast of a pc just 2 months ago just because of jay! i love his vids and he is always helpful and truthful
I never would have tried watercooling before, now I think I could actually give it a shot.
On price point.... If you want to keep it simple. But when factoring the cost of lost productivity over 2 to 5 years, not so simple. Flip-side, even while the Intel may have a 10% performance dif in these test, not all utilizations will see that much difference.
Value per dollar is not just a one-time 1 hour or 1 day test.
It's cause he has an "awesome dad" vibe. Hard to mistrust! lol
Crazy of a beast I made just because of Jay. Used to be a big Apple fanboy but I have found the truth.
so...... fractal design case was so bad the rich guy in dumped it in middle of nowhere???
he rents those cars, doesnt actually own them
@@gagecoffelt3808 Ummm ..then fractal design case was so bad that the not rich guy who doesn't own a Lamborghini rented a Lamborghini just to dump it in middle of nowhere??
Yah I thought that small commercial (if you wanna call it that) lacked creativity. It screamed cheesiness and “hey look at this cool car and not this piece of trash I’m dumping on the side of the road”. Who’s ideas are these and who is Fractal’s marketing person? 👎🏻
Fractal overcharges and makes too much money. :)
@Immortal Kings i have no idea what you are talking about lol..
Still rocking the 9900k but will probably upgrade to the 13900k
me too
once i have the zennies
@@Gundum I ended up upgrading half my computer.
I love this video format! I found myself actually answering you as you were talking and eventually felt like we were just sitting across a pub table having a beer discussing the subject. This format is your wheelhouse, own it!
9th gen i9 9900k.... If they could have put a few more 9's in the name I would have been sold.
They need to push out a 24 core i9 9999XE On the z399 platform!
99 core i9 99999k on x999
Maybe in 2099
It's still over 9000!
Benjamin Hale overclockable to 9.9 GHZ
ansonx, maybe they'll finally get to 9nm in 2099 as well.
Zen 2 and Navi.. My next system will be full 7nm AMD.
Navi appears to be only meant for the console market, possibly the server market aswell, but not the regular consumer market. I think the next gen AMD GPU for PC's, not counting the refresh of Polaris on 7nm this time, is likely to be in 2020.
Navi Console = Vega APU. Navi Discrete = Scaleability. I cant say anymore.
Zen 2 could be an option but not Navi for me..just another 1080...gunna want more performance than that to keep you for the next few years.
What I am hoping for is 1080ti plus another 5% or more increase...one could hope. I just think AMD is exciting right now and they are fun to track. I am Ryzen 1700 and Nvidia 1070ti right now so all 7nm Amd sku's would be a real novelty for me right now since a significant jump past the 1070ti is possible for AMD...
@@joshuasterling2144 yeah from we know your looking at 1080 performance max.
They are trying to bring 1080 performance to console with Navi
Removing hyper threading from the i7 line is the most ridiculous move ever. That plus the Spectre and meltdown disaster has me jumping blue to red.
However when you think about it, 8 real threads for gaming on 8 real cores. But if you ask me, if you are building a new computer, you really should think of saving a little more for the best CPU that is possible to buy in your budget range, because you're going to be using it for some time.
The reason they removed it was because HT is one of the technologies that spectre/meltdown use.
@@zvvz5244 then why is it still present for the i9 9990k?
Did spectre and melt affected your home PC ? Of course not so STOP
No HT maybe is funny but it still outperforms 8700k with its 6 cores and 12 threads. Ofc its not worth upgrading but i believe that people going for major upgrade like from 3770k will go for newer generation.
Right now the i9 line is a knee-jerk response to Ryzen, but I think in a year or two we'll see some more significant improvements as the fruits of both companies' R&D start warring against each other.
Ryzen 7 2700x is beat by the i7 8700 and i5 8600k(amongst many others) in gaming and the price is near identical to the Ryzen 7 2700x. The only AMD chip that has any chance against any of the top intel chips is the newest $2000+ threadripper but even that may lag behind in real world gaming. Ryzen 7 is marginally better in workstation stuff but inferior to both the 8700 and i5 8600k in gaming and desktop performance. Intel offers the exact same bang for buck and probably even slightly better than AMD who has done nothing worthy of the praise its been getting lately.
@@stupaod its due to games optimization... Most of games haye amd cpus but that will change especially after new ps5...
&Abel if you are only interested in gaming, comparing the Intel chips to the 2700X is stupid because there are lower priced offerings from AMD that will give you much better value for gaming than the 2700X. The R5 1600 costs half as much as th 8600K, comes with a cooler included and will play any half decently optimized game at 60 FPS without any issues. The 8600K will give you 10-20% more fps, sure, but for more than double the price. If you actually do anything that benefits from multi-core performance the 2700X absolutely trounces the 8600K for the same price, it performs like 80% better in multi-threaded workloads against the 8600K while losing by maybe 10% in single threaded performance. Basically, you are full of shit.
Getting a Ryzen 7 2700x for gaming is stupid when there are better offerings from intel for virtually the same price. The i7 8700(non k) beats the Ryzen 7 2700x in gaming and it comes with its own stock cooler. Its only $5 more than a Ryzen 7 2700x.
Vally123 i used to run on amd, but in fact it runs like shit and not because its bad, the games are being builded and optimized for intel, so i basically have no choise but use intel/nvidia as a 144 hz gamer
I'm currently on a Ryzen 1700@3.9ghz in an MITX build that will last me until the 3xxx series comes out. I'm loving the competition in the CPU market. Hopefully AMD will bring back some GPU rage soon.
3.9! what's the voltage....mine is 3.8ghz -1.357V....i did 3.9ghz and froze on me
Nice. Mine is the 1600X @ 3.9ghz but at a 1.4V . Temps for me is ok, idling at around 45C-ish and maxing around 80-ish, never to reach 90. I'm just using the CM ML120, thinking of upgrading my cooler soon to 240 or 280.
U guys are lucky! I live in India therefore no matter what I do, there is no point in over clocking with ambient 30-40C.
I have a 1600 on stock with 1050Ti rig costs around 45k INR and instead of getting a fancy cooler afterwards I bought shit ton of RGB worth 10 INR :) cuz my temps never go above 60C while playing games like DotA and out last.
And I have no idea what would happen to the guys who have bought 8700k in India. XD
I'm on the 1700, they are great value. I think I got a fairly good chip my 1700@3875MHz only needs 1.32V and clocks downclocks at idle no problem. Under a custome loop it tops out a 38C with the pump as low as it will go.
3.725, at 1.184v.
Ryzen 7 2700x is much better value for money.
For sure. But the Performance in games is far Better.
Not everyone play games 24/7
no reason whatsoever to buy this thing for gaming over a 8700k though
@@dutchdykefinger Honestly imo i'm really happy with my 2700x because if you were to have a high end processor, why wouldn't you record some games, edit, and upload for the fun of it.
Alexander Rewijk Agree. I would still go 2600/x tho, because of price/performance. In 1440p gaming it's nearly the same as Intel for half Intel price. AMD destroyed Intel with Ryzen. They never see it coming, and I believe 7nm Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) in next year will be K.O. for Intel. I think they can't show us more in 14nm+++++, and if they don't make 10nm in next year, they can start looking at other markets than CPU.
@3:23 Waidaminute... Did you test on a lower freq profile? (even though XMP & DOCP do the same thing?)
Got the i9 9900kf - best CPU I have ever owned - phenomenal performance. Great thermals.
*Here in Switzerland the Intel i9 9900K costs you 629,00.- CHF and the AMD Ryzen Threadripper 1920X costs you 454,90.- CHF. And yes these are for both the cheapest prices at the moment.*
*For productivity there is no talk about which is the better performer AND has the better price...*
*Threadripper is exactly 38,27% cheaper and with 4 Cores / 8 Threads more probably way better in rendering and all this stuff...*
*In addition, Intel users can strongly thank that AMD has Ryzen developed. Without Ryzen Intel would probably milk the last CPUs for at least one year more and this i9 9900K would cost you also at least 1000.-*
*Leave a like if you agree with my points
By the way 1 CHF is 1,0041 USD so almost the same :-)
In Italy it's 670€.. 😐🙁
Dudeeeeeee, threadripper is a completely different thing, unless you are building a workstation or something forget the TR... That's a 12 core 24 threads CPU, ofc it costs a lot, tell us the 2700X's price?
Greg you can buy from German Amazon and pay no customs, for 315 euros and no delivery fees too...
2700x is 360.- CHF right now, which translates to about the same in USD. But here in Switzerland, the VAT is already included in those 360 bucks, unlike in the US. So in the end I guess pricing is about the same.
Who needs a radiator for Winter when you can just have a 9900K.
My FX-8350 is a cheaper radiator going strong
Did you even watch the video? A 5.2Ghz overclock and with a AIO it never exceeded the low 80s..
As heaters goes, the 9900K is a bad one.. Especially for that kind of money you can get a much better heater!
Watch others, There seems to be a big difference in the temps people are getting. Some are pegging up to 90 and throteling hard. Der Bauer was having a lot of temp problems before delidding. Dont even think of overclocking on air, or anything less than a 360mm rad
@@2Fast4Mellow Jay is the only one getting 80c.. Everyone else is getting 89-94c.. That's why is good to read and watch more than one source.
I'll be ok with my dual 360mm rads
New to pc building and you have inspired me to switch from console to pc gaming, have watch pretty much all your videos now, love your personality and your a joy to watch, keep up the great content jay, many thanks
I would love to see more watercooling builds, even just small ones or a series of different inspired builds. I love your creativity and your symbiote build has been my favourite watercooled PC build from anyone to this day.
Ryzen 7 all day for me. I'm not shitting $100 dollar bills. 10-15% performance difference doesn't amount to nothing if my games are already getting over 120 fps. Intel is in trouble. Their CPU's are just not necessary anymore. There is no realistic justification for paying that Intel luxury tax anymore.
@David Whitfield yawn, I've used both amd and intel, now I'm back on amd and loving the performance of my 2700x with silky smooth gaming, you feel free to waste money on overpriced intel products if you like, the rest of us will do the smart thing.
You know what, I have no idea what zen 2 will accomplish when it's released next spring but what are people like you gonna do if it ends up competing or even beating the 9900k,are you gonna suddenly start bad mouthing intel products and calling them inferior? Lol
If you look purely at gaming and have a 4th gen (or newer) i5 or i7 k model, there's literally no reason to upgrade to AMD in terms of gaming performance. If you are using it for productivity workloads, AMD is worth to upgrade to.
Not shitting $100 bills? So a 200 dollar difference in reference to how much you are spending on a PC build is going to break your bank? Are you upgrading every 6 months? Then that price diff split over the many months between CPU releases is tiny in comparison to performance increase. That why anybody who isn't 12 and actually has a job goes for the obviously better performing Intel series.
Also take into account the 100+% higher price tag of the Intel and during these tests 15% higher clock speed and 12% higher clocked ram. so it's 15-20% performance lead is actually much much much smaller. Everyone is still bragging about an Intel IPC lead but at stock the 8700k vs 2700x the AMD chip actually gets a higher score for it's clock speed so it's instructions per CLOCK in single core is actually better than the 8700k.. but no one did/does the math on it to get the true IPC numbers they always ignore the clock speed part of the equation AMD takes 23.88MHz per point the 8700K needs 23.98MHz to get each point. sure that's only .10MHz less for AMD but it's still an IPC advantage literally everyone swept right under the rug by only showing the end score without accounting for the clock variable.
Remember these CPUs aren't in the budget category, these are for people with expensive builds who take 10% for a couple 100$ any day.
Good Job Ryzen 2700X
by the way the I9-9900k in Poland is release at 750 € and I7-7800K at 520 € when the Ryzen at 350 €
so ryzen + motherborad + Ram + M2 250 GB + stock cooler costs the same as I9-9900k with less 10 % perfoamnce
Ryzen FTW
i think AMD sold today alot of X2700 than any day elase Today in release of the I6 -9900k
and AMD was here :)
Intel just got their halloween Today
Mohamed slim Intel has a better cpu architecture, is faster, and beats the shit out of the R7 2700X in performance....serious enthusiasts will prefer the i9 anyday......
i9 FTW
*mic drop*
@@sharvajingawale3761 Beats the shit out of it? To say that the difference is to small.
Fan BOI alert
Yeah... that's not how 'mic drops' work mate... you make a killer point first... maybe your mic just slipped out of your hand while you were trying to make a point?!!
Why does every say 2700x? 2600 is best value by far. 6 core for $150, just wow.
It is. I have it since 2018 and published more than 15 research papers for 5G networks while working on the 9900K and recorded an entire music album :)
Is there noticeable web browsing differences between i9 9900k and i7 9700k?
Intel was not always higher in IPC. Back in the days of 486's, the AMD CPUs were far superior not only in IPC but also in clock speed. And then there were the K6 CPUs, where they invented the "PR" (aka Performance Rating or Pentium Rating) to account for the much higher IPC on non-intel Chips.
Oh, and then there were the Athlon64 X2 Chips. Maybe they were not better per core, but at that time, intel was still pushing single core chips. So you could say by giving us twice the cores, AMD had much higher IPC per socket at that time.
And now again, AMD is pushing the limits where intel just tries to slow down and hamper innovation. Higher core counts, more PCIe lanes, 64-bit CPUs for consumers, multi-channel RAM ....
You name it, it was always AMD who pushed the boundaries. While intel has always tried to slow down any advancement and squeeze every last dollar out of every tiny step along the way.
When Lisa Su announced that they had sent developers to the drawing board and create a whole new platform from scratch, we all expected intel to have the next generation already up their sleeves. That is how much we got accustomed to intel holding back new stuff. But as it turns out, they had nothing. They still keep iterating on the same basic architecture. How long will it take them to come up with something really new? No one knows.
Because intel just isn't open about this stuff. Lisa Su told us back then, it will take a few years to get the new architecture ready. It is this level of openness, innovation and value-driven pricing that makes me an AMD fangirl.
Thunderbird Barton Thoroughbred all had much higher IPC than Intel chips Intel didn't get the ipc lead back until first gen Core i series (i3 i5 i7).
Completely agree. Intel's just using clock speed to keep their head above water until they need to release something new. They know they can keep Ryzen at bay with just clock speeds alone right now so why spend the extra money, aka the 9700k "lets give them 2 more cores and take away hyperthreading so the CPU is actually worse than its previous version and charge more money for it....lol"
I did at one time make the mistake of buying a an Intel Pentium III machine. It was pathetic and will never happen again. Intel can keep charging more for their social status CPUs and I can keep on using my AMD and be happy.
I´m no expert on computers but lately I´ve been getting more into it since I built my first gaming PC. I was very close to buying a Intel CPU, but my friend convinced me to buy a Ryzen 5 1600 since it would be better value. I´ve been running the CPU at 3.95 Ghz since june and never ran into any problems. It idles at 22 degreec celcius atm and during the hot summer months it would idle at ambient temps. The highest temp I´ve gotten from it is 58 degrees during Time Spy benchmark and the same temps on User Benchmark. I couldn´t be happier :)
The other thing I love about AMD is, like few people before me have said, their openess!
Let´s just hope that the next AMD GPU will be good!
And when compared to Ryzen, Intel is really only a few % ahead on IPC, but w/ that couple % plus way higher clocks it pulls away in most games (although higher resolution it matters way less of course). As far as new arch, this Ryzen thing w/ inifnity fabric was a wake up call, i mean everyone, even Nvidia, is saying MCM is the way to go vs. Monolithic. But see, the thing w/ Intel's nodes is they are better than everyone else's. I am no expert or engineer, but as far as all the reading I've done on the subject Intels 10nm will be on par w/ TSMC and everyone else's 7nm, so basically, Intel's 14nm can be viewed as equivalent to somethingnlike 10nm (they don't have a 10nm i dont believe, just hypothetically speaking) @ TSMC and everyone else. But a lot of people are looking at the # 7nm, not realizing @ this point that # is not quite meaningless, but it is kind of unclear as to what exactly it refers to. Basically what I'm trying to say is, yes, 7nm outta TSMC will be better than what Intel has NOW (14nm), but IF they can get their 10nm up and running like their past nodes, it will be equivalent to TSMC's 7nm. Im not defending Intel here, I'm on both sides, as I'm happy to see competition drive innovation and prices down (though w/ the i9-9900K Intel still doesnt seem to have gotten the memo lol). It great to see AMD where they are, and I hope they continue to grow and improve, but i would say NEVER underestimate Intel. W/ their budgets for R&D and the ability to draw in the best architects and what not (again with $$) who knows what Intel can come up with or pull out their ass. Sure, they haven't really innovated in awhile, architecturally it's been the same shit for how long now, but thats because it works, and they never HAD to due to lack of competition. Well things are different now, I'm excited to see what the outcome of all this is going to be. AMD and Ryzen and the MCM approach has probably changed the industry in ways we can't even think of yet. It just needs time to be perfected, because as good as infinity fabric is, it is still a bottleneck, but i think in time they and the rest of the companies will figure out how to make that interconnect faster and lower latency, and thats when we'll probably see some truly incredible CPUs (and hopefully GPUs too). I dunno, no real point to my rant, its just a great and exciting topic IMO and can't wait to see where it leads us.
I've made my decision I am upgrading with Zen2 7nm
same
Me too, I can't wait to get a 3600x.
I have the 1700. But likely will swap out for a Zen 2 when they come out.
Same, my i7-4790K can hold me over till 3xxx series Ryzen comes out.
Since I already committed to a x470 MB, the only logical thing for me is to wait for Zen 2
I like the way you did your graphs. Visually very easy to take in the key issues.
can ALWAYS rely on Jay and the crew to deliver the best reviews!!!
AMD is doing an amazing job!! Guys buy AMD and help it in surprising us with even better releases.
No.
Nope. Intel is WAAAAY better
we want an Intel dystopia so no
A direct quote from the video in reference to the 2700x:
"What we're seeing here is somewhere around the neighborhood of 80 to 90 percent of the performance, depending on the test, of a 9900K, for roughly 50% of the price."
Did you even WATCH the video? It's not even close to 'way better'. Honestly, a statement like that is as bad as anything Apple fanboys would say.
@@syn1183 Better maybe but for almost twice the money HAHAHA...
When AMD continues to get better and better and still maintain fair prices i will never buy intel new. Only used if i find a good deal.
Man, I am glad I built my PC in August, the price difference between the i7 8700K and 2700X was about £30. With today's pricing, I would go for the Ryzen CPU.
Johnny641 the Ryzen is good if u have a budget.....if you observe the benchmarks carefully, the i9 beats the R7 in all tests, and achieves a greater clock speed on all 8 cores......so if you want great performance, the i9 is what you should go for.....
@@sharvajingawale3761 i think i will take value over a fancy box
Hey just because there is something new in the market doesn't mean your's shit. U made a build at that point :D. Both chips are AMAZING, BECAUSE THEY WORK FOR U!!!
Btw I'm rocking a 1050Ti with 1600. And I have wasted more than 20% of my build budget on RGB just to look cool. :)
@@sharvajingawale3761 Intel's probably going to always be the dominator. Not the best value but best performance for a higher premium.
You forgot the cooler price mate, with AMD you get wraith max I think that is more than enough unless you are some crazy OC-er... And 2700X barely falls behind in performance (5% or so), and that is just gaming, it beats it in everything else, you have more cores at your disposal so you have more multitasking potential...
Thank you so much for benchmarking on things I actually care about!!! So many folks going for games and I'm just sitting here making games and 3D rendering with a side order of video gaming.
Question:
What is better/a better option, using a hybrid gpu or using the nzxt g12 aio kit?
I'm running the original Ryzen 1700x, and I do mostly content creation. My plan is to purchase a new CPU and keep my ASRock Taichi X370 mobo. I'm water cooling with a Corsair H60, and it's rare for the CPU to ever exceed 58C. I have a limited budget for computers, and AMD holds the best value for me.
Oh yeah, most people forget that you DON'T have to upgrade your mobo every time a new chip comes out for AMD
5ghz and 58C ? Cool ...
@@Taurus_Play He never actually said 5ghz!
is ryzen upgeade the same socket sans threadripper? so it would make more sense innit?
Same here with an x370 taichi and a 1600. . . I bought the board that had the best vrm's to be ready for whatever AMD may throw at me.
Simply put, No it's not worth it.
* To you.
I want the best performance I can get for gaming, and this will give me that at a price that I don't mind paying.
@@soulshot96 LOL sure you do. Because anyone enjoys 2% more FPS at 1080p than a 8700k while being the same at 1440p. Because you know , you spend 700€ in total for this cpu and you play at 1080p. Desperate Damage control is obvious LOL
KoolerRaid exactly my point.
@@soulshot96 this is true fanboy dedication... its funny isnt it
@@soulshot96 Is your ego boosted enough now my guy?
I'd really like to see a video with a throwdown between the 9900k and a 1950x or 1920x. Thanks for sharing your viewpoint. It does matter.
Go to userbenchmark.com I just compared them and the 9900 is better for single and quad core performance while the 1950x is better in multi core functionality. Which means games will run about 20% better on the 9900 then the 1950x, but editing rendering etc will perform better on the 1950x although is a negligible amount. Given the cost difference, the 1950x May be a better option depending on what you use it for.
Did you have to put a fan over the VRM when OC'ing to 5.0ghz on a 9900k?
ZEN 2 IS ON THE RYZE!!!
ZEN 2 IS ON THE HORYZEN
ZEN 2 IS ON THE HO-RYZEN TOO
Fuck these puns and fuck AMD for starting it all.
It was Ryzen Pro Ryzen 2 is not out until next year mate!
all right all right all right, let's see what we've got..
*ZEN 2 ON THE HORIZON*
This CPU is an insult. Waiting for Zen 2. Amd is killing it
KoolerRaid u mean zen 3
@@SinghGamer No.....Zen 2. Ryzen 2 is not Zen 2, it's Zen+
Zen is Ryzen 1000 series, Zen+ is Ryzen 2000 series, Zen 2 is Ryzen 3000 series coming 2019
Intel's next architecture upgrade, Ice Lake, is not until 2020 after Cannon Lake, so AMD should have a good couple of years from now on :)
They're also, for the first time, going to have a smaller die than Intel.
Why?
What is wrong with the CPU? it is extremely expensive but also the fastest CPU for gaming right now.
You do not need it, 99.9% of all gamers would not benefit from it - but an insult? You can say the same or worse about AMDs Bristol Ridge - releasing their old architecture on AM4.
Just don't buy the CPU, the price/performance is horrible.
5 GHz all core at 1.32 V is a crazy good bin. Fixed vcore at 1.42 V and I think Jay would be feeling the heat.
Hey @jayztwocents, I would love to see you make a video on the I9-9900k overclock + testing multiple AIO's + Custom loop and comparing the data against each other in order to give viewers and buyers an idea as to what AIO is best to use to cool the I9-9900 until they can make a custom loop. Its something i have yet to find a post on via the internet and i would love to see something like that get done.
9900k 600$ and 2700x 300$ still ryzen worth it to buy!!!
Add in the cost of the cooler and it gets even worse. You'll do fine with 2700x included cooler, the 9900k however will need an 90 USD air cooler or an AIO. It's just stupid, get either threadripper or 7980XE if money isn't a problem.
It's not actually solder that's bad, but die is double the thickness of 8700k and then thick amount of solder. Too much good heat transfer stuff to go through, opposed to thin layer of bubblegum before.
you can even cut a bit of the die down like 5% or something and it gets you 5 degrees C. maybe you should look at der8auers channel he plans to polish the die to that point where you nearly see the cores and then wants to see how much temp did go down.
you dont say? thats why intel fucked up..... you seem to notice a bit slow too.
6! Core
it is 6!, so factorial powers 1x2x3x4x5x6 = 720 cores. You need a nuclear reactor to power it and it just immediately blows up and burns your house down.
You can get 720 cores in just 7 servers
😂😂😂
720 cores, 1440 threads; what kind of glue is AMD's RnD department sniffing now? Because it oughta be really insane stuff in order to dish out a 720 core CPU (though knowing AMD's tendency to use powers of 2 and powers of 2 times 3/4, a 768-core CPU would make more sense to AMD; 720 sounds something that Intel would make).
(Thought you were talking about AMD at first, but if Intel did make a 720-core CPU, AMD would one-up them with a 768-core CPU.)
that would be
720 Core
Pls get the joke, someone 8)
I plan On streaming and gaming and am stuck on what cpu. I7 8700k or i7 9700k? What would be better?
Jay I am getting a new processor in a few days (currently edit on a i7 7820x) is it possible for you to tell me what your editors use for editing, or what do you think I should get? Because honestly There is sooooooo much to pick from. I am going for a great editing machine that will be decent for gaming.
Why the difference in memory speeds between the 9900K and the 2700x? You've got the Intel chip paired with a 3600mhz set of RAM, while the AMD chip only gets a 3200Mhz set...and if I remember correctly, Ryzen is pretty dependent on RAM speed/timings for its performance...just curious why you didn't use the same speed RAM for both test benches?
0:36 - an ad showing some dude throwing away his PC case on a desert road LOL
I miss the old Xeons that were basically an i7 for the price of an i5.
Hey I’m trying to replace old pc parts with new ones. If I get this cpu what fans and mother board will I need?
I will definitely buy a new CPU in 2019, 7n zen2 is propably my choice in next year
My plan is next year too. I've got my eye on whatever the successor to the 2950x is.
3rd gen ryzen is near
I hear that Ryzen 2 will be on par with Intel. This is going to definitely shake up the CPU industry.
tenshi7angel Ryzen 2 (Zen+) is the Ryzen 2000 series. You're thinking of Ryzen 3 (Zen 2).
+praetorxyn
Yes I am. :)
Deja Vu from Intel. Devil's Canyon all Over again. Wrong TDP - Hot Temps out of the box. Expensive.
4 years later. 4790k Still owns a significant amount of the Market.
still loving mine
And the 9900K still slays the 12 core AMD offering so. By 30 - 70 fps, yes, those are real numbers. DigitalFoundry and many more prove this. In plenty of titles.
@@terraincognitagaming no
@@DeosPraetorian Yes, hardware unboxed and whatever the other channel already provides this information.
@@terraincognitagaming yeah but 70 FPS in what exactly
Do we really need a gaming pc in order to use the core i9
Hi Jay a really quick question I know chances of you replying are low but....im currently once this virus has calmed down I am looking to purchase a new system. I have seen your videos regarding the issue with the cpu case on these and thermals on overclocking. My system will be pre built by a company here in the UK and pre overclocked too. The specs today have been released for the new flight sim 2020. One of which is the processor which is advised to get the I7 9800x. Now that is way out my price range unfortunately so looking for the best alternative. With that processor being recommended it makes me think the game will be making use of hyperthreading and more than 4 cores. I am now torn between the I7 9700k and the i9 9900k are you able to offer me any advice. Regarding colpu cooler I will be selecting the h115i from corsair and it says on their website they would be looking to achieve UPTO 4.9ghz on the 9900k.
Thanks for taking any time to reply it will be much appreciated
Nathan
Tell fractal Josh to leave the Lambo behind next time!
intel isn't worth it for those with a budget...just isn't
Andrew Pepper Dude, if you care about budget for a build, you shouldn’t even be looking at Intel
Sharvaj Ingawale my point exactly
Even if you don't really have a budget to keep tight, spending twice the money on a CPU that is 10% faster is just stupid...
Don't know what you consider budget but i5 8400 it's a great choice in that mid-range sweet spot.
2600 is usually quite a bit cheaper, and has 2x the thread count.
Josh's ads are always spot on... oh, and you're vids are pretty good as well...
What CPU on the market is the best for dealing with a lot of drawcalls that let my GPU wait for data?
I can't get enough of that Fractal design ad. The only ad in the last 30 years that I don't skip over. :-)
-Matt
you def. got binned chips. gigabyte tested 4,7 ghz and they got 92 degree with an aio thats insane when you go full throttle for the cpu and let it draw its power max (5 ghz) it gets up to 104 degree according to them with an aio.
I've been seeing claims that gigabyte's bios' are pushing too much voltage and need a flash on their 390 chipesets.
the other ones cool their cpus with an custom loop thats why, or do the linusdroptips thing and airchill their water 2 times and then get it cooled with anti freeze :D
maybe
I pretty much only play WoW. I've got an i5 6400 and a 1080. Slight bottle necking seems to be a problem. What cpu should I upgrade to?
Thumbnail expression got me dead..😂😂😂 So true
so i get lamborghini for buying fractal design define s2?
Nope you just get to see the mindset of people like in this video idiots who have more money than sense and think anything that's not new or made before 2018 isn't worth buying.
i still think the car is rented
yeah, boy , just take it, and we will send you lamba xD
99% true!
@@wptv2977 Sure it'll be a little Hotwheels car, but it'll still be a lambo.
Looks like I'm getting a 2700x, that price though. Wish I lived near a Micro Center to get it for $280.
Keith McRae just order it on microcenter website and have it shipped
@@MatrixJockey the website says store pickup only sadly.
Plus sales tax?
I've never really put an AMD PC together. Any tips on what I should look at ? if I do go for the 2700 x which motherboard or graphics card do I need to go? many questions
You many be late but your the 1st vid I watched on this keep up the good work jay
You could have included games while streamimg. As that would have used the extra cores.
Definitely Ryzen
AMD rules my CPUs last 2 years
1800x still great for me for now for both working and gaming
I really liked the way the measurements were presented. The graphics were nice! :D
Jay, quick question about the temps and recommended cooler, which mobo did you use again?? having now watched several vids and seeing this back and forth it seem the mobo being used is having a massive effect on the 9900K and its thermals, are limiting the power to match its supposed tdp? cus 95W part running 5gh how doesnt make sense, could you run the tests again using other mobo and let us know if the AIO is still good to use i was think about one of these but considering it will hit 165W and 95C i am not so sure the price tag justifies it. Nice vid though nice to see that they are competing but i am not sure with what they are trying to compete. lol cheers avivd Fan :)
2700x has much better price performance
Intel overclocked 15% higher with ram clocked 12% higher getting sub 20% faster performance while costing over 100% more after buying cooling for that Intel chip and that's not even counting the additionally more expensive motherboard.
Yea that MSI Godlike is $610 on amazon....yea no thanks Intel.
Weird u didn't here him say that in the video ?
Yes but when there is at times a 30fps difference between the 8600k and the 2700x I just can use it.
the thumbnail already tells me it's not
Were the CPU coolers the same? Also, how come there were memory clock speed differences?
What is the power consumption like, idle, gaming and per year avg?
I think I'll hold out until my 8700K becomes dated.
I'll keep my 7700k until it dies.
Good, because 8700k performs pretty similarly in games and also runs way cooler than 9900k
Thats hilarious because the 8700k is hot to begin with. Speaking from experience. Mines @ 5.1ghz and with an h100iv2 runs in the 70's under heavy load for long periods of time. If I was willing to de-lid i could drop it but imo not worth the voided warranty.
@TurboCMinusMinus 7nm is not coming next year LOL.
Real 7nm is coming like in 2020-2021.
The TSMC 7nm is a purely marketing naming gimmick.
@@oddieboi My runs good.
I can hit 4.8 on air using a cryorig H7.
Also,70'sc is not hot especially under heavy load and for a long time.
If I get this i9-9900K for $360, is that a good deal?
Cheapest one you can get in the UK is about 470, so that's an awesome deal
@@arkdesign9517 amazon had it for £404.99 till yesterday
Yes that is a steal. If new.
Where?
No i7 given nearby to i9 for less
£100 for i7 when i9 cost more than £360 -£500
sadly you get nothing back from it
when case it comes in cost more than the cpu it self be
£299 for box £61 for cpu
you get nothing from the box and cpu that creap made
How about now as we are getting close to April 2019. If I'm rocking an 8700K for editing on Premiere, looking to upgrade my CPU for faster productivity, what should I upgrade to on the Intel side? I was actually debating between 9900K or X299... I feel like X series is better price to performance than the 9900K? Please let me know. Thanks.
Well, x299 wouldnt be a noticable bump in preformance. The 9900k is not for a budget build. Personally I would wait for 10th generation Intel or the 3rd generation for AMD. If you're going to game you might as well not upgrade your 8700k unless you're looking for higher fps on 1080p.
@@beowulf885 I would only be upgrading for video editing purposes. I want faster exporting time. My GPU is a 1080 ti and I don't really game as often anymore. So it would all be for productivity. Just trying to see if the X series, 9900K and even AMD 3000 which would be best price to performance for editing.
I have an 8700k. I just bought a z390e board that will be compatible with 9th gen processors. Is it worth upgrading to the 9900k?
Even though i already bought it (pre-order), i always like to see these kinds of videos. Wasn't planning to buy the i9, but i managed to sell my i7-8700K for a very good price, so for me the equation wasn't that slanted.
@Phil Fry well i hope it isn't my lack of knowlegde in technology that made me purchase this. Wouldnt be good as I am a master degree engineering student in Cybernetics and Robotics... Maybe i should just resign from it. Clearly i have zero intelligence. Clearly there are 0 reasons to buy a processor that is across the board superior, worst case scenario equal, best case 30% faster than the AMD one. Because it cost a couple hundred bucks extra. I've only studied《circut design and binary process in computers》classes, I wouldn't even know what a pc is! And ofcourse, Ive never visited ARM chip Norway to see how they go through the design process of a new architecture, from developing to testing, granted not very in-depth. It would make zero sense for someone like me, to buy an i9 without it being an "uneducated/mistake". But i hope you have a nice day, and if you want to spend your dollars on something else than marginal performance gains in CPU, you are free to do so 😊! May I also add i bought 64gb of ram in my PC. Clearly money wasted as Games which is the only thing a PC can run wont utilize more than 16gb of ram . I have no idea how to utilize hardware let alone what hardware is used for.
Phil Fry,
Do you assume everybody plays games at 1440p or something? My TIME is worth far more to me than the extra money it costs, especially for tasks that are real-time. Those seconds add up to minutes, then hours and then days... I consider $300 or whatever the difference overall to be insignificant when spread out over FIVE YEARS of continual usage... the VALUE is determined by the user and it isn't determined by a Dollar vs Performance ratio.
@@maddogmarauder9718 Your comment seems misdirected, if it was anyone it was Phil Fry who used "your lack of intelligence shows".
NorwegianVikingMods you sold ur 8700k and are getting i9?
@Phil Fry Lots of broke AMD fanboys on here getting triggered when someone can actually afford the 9900k.
Was that a joke with the Fractal + Lambo???
Sorry, I am currently here in Brazil, I am not seeing regularly any Lambos, nor any other luxurious Sportscars down here...
Thanks for the nice video! Since you like experiments so much can you de-lid it and use liquid metal and check it against stock solder. I'm sure you don't need to call Vince on that one.
acer xb240 im using 2 3d vision give me best settings nvidia and monitor PLZ I CANT USE 3d ligtboost
3:40
*"OUT OF THE BOX THERMALS"*
truly disappointed in the reveal of 9900k.. before people bash me im AMD fan boy i am rocking a 2600k still... before that was athlon 64... so i enjoy both sides of competition and their products... as a consumer we would think we would like to pay for things for either better quality or performance or both.. its a fair reasonable expectation.. at this MOMENT right now Oct 19th 2018 it is well over $540 in Newegg and Amazon... justification for me to spend that much amount of money better wow the living hell out of me.. in fact it should of at least come with a intel plush doll or something to compensate.. this cpu didn't make me feel like its worth another $200 whereas i can get 2700x little over $300
Henley Deng Yep I feel the same. Got my i5 3570k overclocked like a boss and was really hoping the 9th gen stuff would fix the security and thermals of the previous models at a reasonable price. Almost nothing about it makes sense!
VredesbyrdNoir while the solder tim is an upgrade it’s definitely not like the ones you and I have. Intel be cutting corners and accepting that because they know they can get away with it. Which is why I am rooting heavily for amd to catch up quick because I know intel and amd can make solid products. I truly enjoy both realms. Not only that but it’s a winning scenario for us consumers.
It is a great CPU - until the moment in time you look at the price :P
I wonder why is the special edition cost more than just the other i9 are they different?
What should I go with ryzen 5 2600x or ryzen 7 1700 for gaming and streaming on a msi x470 gaming pro carbon
Ryzen7 2700x
Jay, man, I love your work, I really do. But you keep saying that Intel is far ahead in IPC compared to AMD. That is not the case whatsoever. IPC is very similar between the two, and AMD may even be ahead at this point. What Intel is ahead in is clockspeeds. If you want to compare IPC, test them at the exact same clocks and see what happens. I'm willing to bet quite a lot that Intel is not going to perform better then. Still, a 700MHz advantage is nothing to laugh about, but it just irks me when the term IPC is used wrongly. In fact, a 5GHz 9900k is clocked 17.6% higher than the 4.25GHz 2700x. That's about the difference in performance too. So, assuming perfect scaling with clocks, they are dead equal in IPC. Scaling isn't perfect, of course, but you get my point.
AMD is not ahead of Intel in terms of IPC.
After Ryzen, AMD was 15% behind intel
After Ryzen+, AMD increased IPC by another 7-8%
When Ryzen 2 comes out tho... Intel might be fucked
@@PikaPilot I hope so. Intel needs more pressure. It's the only way for better products and prices. Zen 2 shouldn't be far behind the 9900k in games.
@PikaPilot
I really don't think they're behind, really. I mean, I haven't seen any tests looking into it more in depth, so it's just a crude calculation on my part, but I believe they're too close to care about IPC. Or they're behind by 5-10% like you said and just scale better with clockspeed, even though they don't clock high. Regardless, I'm not going to disagree with you because neither of us has the whole picture, I suppose. For all I know, you could be right and I'm wrong and it would still be irrelevant with such differences. Thing is, if the rumors are true and Zen 2 does bring a 10-15% improvement in IPC... Man, that is gonna be interesting to see. I hope they don't go full Ryzen 1 and do something to also increase the clockspeeds, though.
@Oldschool Gamer Rick
That's true. But for Zen 2 the target shouldn't be "not far behind the 9900k", but rather how far ahead they may be able to pull. I mean, it may not be realistic to want something faster than the 9900k right now, but I don't think barely keeping up should be the target. As I said above, if the rumors of 10-15% in IPC hold true and AMD manage to squeeze better clocks out of these things, it's not impossible that we may see a 3700x beat the 9900k or at least trade blows with it. IMO everything is going to come down to clocks ultimately, however. Ryzen's IPC and clock scaling are already great and more than enough to keep it relevant. If the 2700x could clock to something like 4.6-4.7GHz we would be having a totally different conversation.
Very interesting times lie ahead. Very interesting indeed... Seeing monopolies get disrupted always amuses me.
i find it funny that Jay is talking about how Intel has the faster overclock/turbo speeds. "fastest seen ever for overclocking without hardcore cooling" but... my AMD FX 9370 has been running at 5.1 GHz for 6 years now, with only a corsair i110 aio liquid cooler. still heats my room nicely, but does not shut down my computer even in the summer. still running world of Warcraft with Multiboxer at medium-high settings for 6 accounts. never had to reset my overclock either. And while running ONLY through the ASUS overclock utility. I had it up to 5.3, but, kept crashing. :/ so.... stable at 5.1 CAN pull 5.2, but, sometimes crashed occasionally under load. i AM replacing my FX this winter, but... in the mean time, i am going to stick with my FX until i finish my house renovations... lol, not one single issue in 6 years. no, it is NOT a rocket anymore. yes, the new chips are FAR faster at lower clockspeeds. BUT... still rips along nicely fr what i DO use it for. was running a ROG 780... upgraded to a 1070. now i am set for next modern gen mobo, cpu, and ram. done me well for the time i have had it. my motherboard is starting tto fail from it all though. no complaints though, 6 years from AMD, from a chip that was called the biggest waste of silicon in history... lmao no regrets at all. those black chips are nasty little bastards. i would love to see a Ryzen 2700x "black edition" wonder how that would go. probably run a kiln off the radiator... ;)
Black Friday is coming up and now that 9k series is out, I'm heeding the advice for upgrading my tower. Is there or will there be a review/comparison for the various 9k series CPUs?
Question. Is a ryzen 3 2200g and 570 8gb a good combo? Will the gpu bottleneck the cpu? And 8 gb of ram 2400mhz
intel processors are always veeery good but their pricing compared to amd is just not worth it. but lets be real this cpu is a beast
plus the ability to upgrade simply does not exist in the current intel generation.
err, nope the x series are better than the K and theyre 2 years old already
IPC is pretty much identical between Intel and AMD right now. The real difference is 4.2GHz vs 5GHz
was about to say that.. in some cases it looks like AMD's IPC is already higher because they come so close with such a gap in clock speed
what AIO would be better for this heat monster the H150i or the TT 360 flo riing?
Yes JayzTwoCents, you managed to reach that because the frigging VRMs were throttling because of the 95W limit.
What is the music at 3:08? You should credit the music artists. (Shazam gave me no results)
all this talk about chips has me hungry
Jay iv got a 1070 and a i5 7600k are they good or not for gaming?
I found a cool distribution panel from bykski. It says only works with their pumps. Are water pumps really all that different?