I'm upgrading from 4770k to 12700k and I got a CM ML240R AIO Cooler which I really don't wanna change, so I wanted to see how would Alder Lake do with these old coolers.
i would advise not to. check your cooler mountings. 12th gen heat spreader is taller than previous gens. there is a possibility to bend the cpu pcb if the cooler mounting height is wrong. google up this issues. lots of people are running into it
@@adriannasyraf3534 ... Been using the 12700k with ML240R with over a month now. No issues at all. The cooler fitted perfectly. Thanks for showing your corcern :)
I got the MSI Z690 Carbon Wifi + 12700k, though I've only populated 2x Ram slots 5600mhz, because if populated with 4 modules, there's that Boot looping issue that DDR5 has... Ill buy another 2 modules once they fix the boot loop.... but I have a 1tb Samsung 980 pro in and Dam, Its snappy as hell. Loving the speed difference and its notable!
7:30 it's weird how a lot of the reviewers seems to just gloss over the power draw. I watched eTeknix's review today and he mentioned it but almost seems unconcern with it. In his Cinebench R23 load test, he got a multi score of 27,205 for the Core i9 12900k at 359.5 watts system draw and 24,742 for the Ryzen 9 5950X at a 196.1 watts system draw. For 10% better performance than the Ryzen 9, the power penalty was 163.4 watts. That's 83% more power draw for just 10% better performance! On the bright side, the i9 system idled at 61.2 watts system draw while the Ryzen 9 idled at 82.4 watts, yay for the "efficiency" cores. One step forward, one step back I guess.
@@nepnep6894 Yeah, especially since the efficiency cores themselves draw as much power as they do. If this is the start of Intel's next decade, that's really troubling for Intel. Makes perfect sense now why Apple abandon them. They were suppose to innovate and keep AMD in check. What they've basically done is boast power to their cores and made them hold it longer. It gets them that short term win but shoots them in the foot for long term. They went a similar path with Pentium 4 when they couldn't compete with Athlon. Fortunately for them, Pentium 4 held them over just long enough till Pentium M (which developed into Core) was developed by their Israel research branch, otherwise they would have been decimated by AMD in the 2000s.
Everyone knows this already bud and there is no glossing over, Troubling WHAT? Point is, your talking about $600+ CPUs in the tier of the absolute elites. No one is buying them unless you need crazy scheduling and samples for reviews in what you need it to do- it gets the job done, fast. The architecure is brilliant going forward in the near future with the maturing age of the new windows, ram speeds which also wont mature till Z890 comes out. There is headroom, thats what intel is about. Power consumption with AMD is a myth considering cinebench users knows its never a real life score that represents it. Its super flawed to even use that as a basemark to compare daily wattage when AMD releases Zen 6 with more power into the cores with the same refresh design If your looking at the power draw differences for the absolute top dog cpu available then last thing is you should be looking in this market looking for the i9 which pretty triumps every game in terms of console ports + especially FPS shooters and video work. Its been years now its been like this. Its only going to go up and up with the new 4090 potentially being needed a 1200w as a must power supply regardless.
do a video on 12600k paired with a reasonable ddr4 ram and a mid tier mobo. would really really appreciate your perspective on the total price to performance ie mobo + cpu + ram + cooler (12600k vs 5600x)
I install a quadroo k5000 pci 2.0 card in to Asus z690 prime A motherboard it has a 5.0 pci slot which i came to know that its not compatible with pci 2.0. And i removed the card. My question is will it did any damage to motherboard?
Great greatttttt information thank you. Please I need help choosing a mother board for the following configuration: Intel i9 12 gen, rtx 3090 and PCIe5. Kindly recommend me. Budget motherboard: Mid range motherboard: High end motherboard:
I was on the same boat at first then I started thinking about pci ex gen 5.0 and ddr5 when I know I upgrade gpu's every generation so I know rampage vi extreme on x299 is at the eol and it won't get support for pci ex 4.0 but these z690 boards support both pci ex 4.0 and 5.0 some of them do so if I am looking at it that way I have reason to upgrade but I have another case I will use just so I can keep my x299 system around
Those mainboards are incredible but I don't give a fuck about the new platform so far. DDR5 is no big deal until they get faster and cheaper, PCIe 5.0 is completely meaningless (even 4.0 is quite irrelevant when you don't really need the fast SSDs) so it's all just way too expensive to care.
@@naor9792 And how many games take advantage of that today? In an actual meaningful way that has a noticable impact? None. Especially on PC where people with SATA SSDs and even mechanical HDDs still need to be kept in mind for pretty much anything. Don't fall for the marketing, PCIe 4 is primarily good for creative work at the moment.
@@naor9792 Wow I wasn't aware there's Z690 boards that don't support PCIe 5 SSDs but it does make sense. Consumers really don't benefit from that yet and they won't for a few more years. If you're not working on huge video projects or something like that, you really don't gain anything from it. But I would be upset as well if I found out my new board isn't as future proof as I'd thought. Honestly, it would have made more sense to restrict the PCIe ports to 4.0 and have the m.2 slots be PCIe 5.0. Graphics cards barely benefit from PCIe 4 and it's gonna be forever until they actually make use of 5. SSDs seem to be more relevant there. But in the end, it's both kinda irrelevant.
So I'm looking to buy the new Asus Rog Strix B660-F Gaming Wifi & noticed that it comes with 1 PCIe 5.0 safe slot. Does this mean that I would be able to use this slot for upcoming gen 5 storage devices?
I'm upgrading from 4770k to 12700k and I got a CM ML240R AIO Cooler which I really don't wanna change, so I wanted to see how would Alder Lake do with these old coolers.
i would advise not to. check your cooler mountings. 12th gen heat spreader is taller than previous gens. there is a possibility to bend the cpu pcb if the cooler mounting height is wrong. google up this issues. lots of people are running into it
@@adriannasyraf3534 ... Been using the 12700k with ML240R with over a month now. No issues at all. The cooler fitted perfectly. Thanks for showing your corcern :)
I got the MSI Z690 Carbon Wifi + 12700k, though I've only populated 2x Ram slots 5600mhz, because if populated with 4 modules, there's that Boot looping issue that DDR5 has... Ill buy another 2 modules once they fix the boot loop.... but I have a 1tb Samsung 980 pro in and Dam, Its snappy as hell. Loving the speed difference and its notable!
What I really want is and AMD-like promise for socket longevity on the same board
7:30 it's weird how a lot of the reviewers seems to just gloss over the power draw. I watched eTeknix's review today and he mentioned it but almost seems unconcern with it. In his Cinebench R23 load test, he got a multi score of 27,205 for the Core i9 12900k at 359.5 watts system draw and 24,742 for the Ryzen 9 5950X at a 196.1 watts system draw. For 10% better performance than the Ryzen 9, the power penalty was 163.4 watts. That's 83% more power draw for just 10% better performance! On the bright side, the i9 system idled at 61.2 watts system draw while the Ryzen 9 idled at 82.4 watts, yay for the "efficiency" cores. One step forward, one step back I guess.
The big variability of power consumption on alder lake is going to make the mobile cpus VERY interesting.
@@nepnep6894 Yeah, especially since the efficiency cores themselves draw as much power as they do. If this is the start of Intel's next decade, that's really troubling for Intel. Makes perfect sense now why Apple abandon them.
They were suppose to innovate and keep AMD in check. What they've basically done is boast power to their cores and made them hold it longer. It gets them that short term win but shoots them in the foot for long term. They went a similar path with Pentium 4 when they couldn't compete with Athlon. Fortunately for them, Pentium 4 held them over just long enough till Pentium M (which developed into Core) was developed by their Israel research branch, otherwise they would have been decimated by AMD in the 2000s.
Everyone knows this already bud and there is no glossing over,
Troubling WHAT?
Point is, your talking about $600+ CPUs in the tier of the absolute elites. No one is buying them unless you need crazy scheduling and samples for reviews in what you need it to do- it gets the job done, fast.
The architecure is brilliant going forward in the near future with the maturing age of the new windows, ram speeds which also wont mature till Z890 comes out. There is headroom, thats what intel is about.
Power consumption with AMD is a myth considering cinebench users knows its never a real life score that represents it. Its super flawed to even use that as a basemark to compare daily wattage when AMD releases Zen 6 with more power into the cores with the same refresh design
If your looking at the power draw differences for the absolute top dog cpu available then last thing is you should be looking in this market looking for the i9 which pretty triumps every game in terms of console ports + especially FPS shooters and video work. Its been years now its been like this. Its only going to go up and up with the new 4090 potentially being needed a 1200w as a must power supply regardless.
No company should be selling motherboards with 1700LGA socket and ddr4 ram. All 1700LGA socket motherboards should be DDR5 and ALL SOCKET PCIE gen 5.
do a video on 12600k paired with a reasonable ddr4 ram and a mid tier mobo. would really really appreciate your perspective on the total price to performance ie mobo + cpu + ram + cooler (12600k vs 5600x)
If i can get my hands on one I certainly will!
I think the 12600k is like 7% faster than the 5800x and cheaper. I got my gigabyte z690 mobo for $195 which isn’t too bad.
I install a quadroo k5000 pci 2.0 card in to Asus z690 prime A motherboard it has a
5.0 pci slot which i came to know that its not compatible with pci 2.0. And i removed the card.
My question is will it did any damage to motherboard?
Great greatttttt information thank you.
Please I need help choosing a mother board for the following configuration:
Intel i9 12 gen, rtx 3090 and PCIe5.
Kindly recommend me.
Budget motherboard:
Mid range motherboard:
High end motherboard:
Sticking with X299 and 10980xe for now. I don't see enough to justify moving to Z690.
I was on the same boat at first then I started thinking about pci ex gen 5.0 and ddr5 when I know I upgrade gpu's every generation so I know rampage vi extreme on x299 is at the eol and it won't get support for pci ex 4.0 but these z690 boards support both pci ex 4.0 and 5.0 some of them do so if I am looking at it that way I have reason to upgrade but I have another case I will use just so I can keep my x299 system around
Those mainboards are incredible but I don't give a fuck about the new platform so far. DDR5 is no big deal until they get faster and cheaper, PCIe 5.0 is completely meaningless (even 4.0 is quite irrelevant when you don't really need the fast SSDs) so it's all just way too expensive to care.
you worng faster ssd is faster loading and faster open world rendering
@@naor9792 And how many games take advantage of that today? In an actual meaningful way that has a noticable impact? None.
Especially on PC where people with SATA SSDs and even mechanical HDDs still need to be kept in mind for pretty much anything.
Don't fall for the marketing, PCIe 4 is primarily good for creative work at the moment.
@@Oceanborn712 tbh im just sad bc i got the z690 master and its dont support gen 5 ssd but if you say we be ok with gen 4 so i take your word on it
@@naor9792 Wow I wasn't aware there's Z690 boards that don't support PCIe 5 SSDs but it does make sense. Consumers really don't benefit from that yet and they won't for a few more years. If you're not working on huge video projects or something like that, you really don't gain anything from it.
But I would be upset as well if I found out my new board isn't as future proof as I'd thought. Honestly, it would have made more sense to restrict the PCIe ports to 4.0 and have the m.2 slots be PCIe 5.0. Graphics cards barely benefit from PCIe 4 and it's gonna be forever until they actually make use of 5. SSDs seem to be more relevant there. But in the end, it's both kinda irrelevant.
@@Oceanborn712 just 2 boards support it and my 470$ board dont support it lol but im just going to be gaming on my pc so i would not need the gen 5?
So I'm looking to buy the new Asus Rog Strix B660-F Gaming Wifi & noticed that it comes with 1 PCIe 5.0 safe slot. Does this mean that I would be able to use this slot for upcoming gen 5 storage devices?
probably, unless Asus pulls something shady. ask them directly in their forums to confirm.
help choose a board form these
MSI MPG Z690 EDGE WIFI DDR4 -
MSI MAG Z690 TOMAHAWK WIFI DDR4 -
ASUS ROG Strix Z690-A Gaming WiFi D4 -
ASUS TUF Gaming Z690-Plus WiFi -
Asus tuf
none lol
@@216edwin comedic genius or easily amused dolt? i wonder...
asus tuf
Tomahawk Bios + audio codec + looks
Please reply me soon if possible.