The REAL Reason Dumbledore Put on the CURSED Ring - Harry Potter Theory

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  • Welcome to Harry Potter Theory. Today we’re discussing why in the name of Merlin’s Beard Albus Dumbledore, one of the most celebrated and extraordinary wizards of his time, put on a cursed ring that ultimately led to his death.
    Let’s begin with Dumbledore’s claims as to how he ended up putting the ring on. He found it in the ancestral home of the Gaunt family just outside of Little Hangleton. The ring belonged to Marvolo Gaunt, a pure-blood wizard, descendent of Salazar Slytherin, whose family was a member of the Sacred Twenty-Eight. By all accounts, not a great bunch. Anyways, Dumbledore was hunting Voldemort’s Horcruxes and when he saw this particular one, he said he immediately knew that, set within the ring, he had found the Deathly Hallow that he had always craved most: the Resurrection Stone. Of course, Dumbledore undoubtedly knew the ring to be cursed, as he knew that it had been turned into a Horcrux by Voldemort. However, he claims that in his excitement over recovering the Stone at long last, he quite forgot that it was a most dangerous item indeed, as he explains to Harry after his death, while the two catch up in limbo…
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  • @7reever
    @7reever 2 роки тому +588

    When it comes to Dumbledore I would say for each secret he reveals he hides at least 9 others... so we'll probably never know his true intentions but I enjoyed your theory!

    • @astroesegg
      @astroesegg 2 роки тому +14

      I think Secrets of Dumbledore might reveal some stuff

    • @JuanMataCFC
      @JuanMataCFC 2 роки тому +3

      and the upcoming Fantastic Beasts movie is fittingly titled "The Secrets of Dumbledore"!

    • @jiveturkeyintheriboflavin
      @jiveturkeyintheriboflavin 2 роки тому +6

      Lol so true! If he just divulged all the secrets from the get go, the books would have been condensed down to 5 pages total!

    • @ryandowney9232
      @ryandowney9232 2 роки тому

      @@JuanMataCFC u77bu

    • @markreyes1866
      @markreyes1866 2 роки тому

      yes with sexual preference included😅

  • @RevanDuvalcane
    @RevanDuvalcane 2 роки тому +492

    If it wasn't out of hubris, I do think that he did it for a primary reason: to make it easier for Snape to kill him. In order to completely fool Voldemort, something drastic needed to be done, and Snape earning the Dark Lord's allegiance completely was necessary. If Dumbledore simply doomed himself to a slow painful death by wearing the ring, for Snape psychologically, it would have been more about putting a friend out of their misery, rather than a brutal killing. Also Dumbledore knew he was getting old, and what else could he do in his old age if he knew he couldn't kill/end Voldemort directly (because Harry was destined to)? He made himself into a chess piece for the posthumous conclusion of his plan to kill Voldemort. I think that this is further reinforced by the fact that he acted very self-sacrificially in many other ways in Harry's last years before the downfall of Voldemort: he was the most powerful wizard in the world, but could do nothing with all his might to destroy Tom Riddle. That was Harry's job. So he put his life to use for "the greater good" by making it easier for Snape to carry out his plan.

    • @RapBeeFS_
      @RapBeeFS_ 2 роки тому +28

      Exactly the thing it is and people don't get it "harry was destined to kill voldemort" nobody else could've done it, people dont get it and keep on blaming dumbledore to be a manipulator who kept harry as a pig for slaughter whereas he gave harry 3 of the hallows not telling him directly so he could survive voldemort in the end and come back to finish him again after finishing all of his horcruxes

    • @raghavparanjpe9556
      @raghavparanjpe9556 2 роки тому +10

      @@RapBeeFS_ next time people blame dumbledore give them dudleys old one two!! XD.. but srsly and people say they are potterheads, when they dont even understand the depthness of dumbledore's actions

    • @RapBeeFS_
      @RapBeeFS_ 2 роки тому +11

      @@raghavparanjpe9556 yes! Harry would've died in book 1 from quirrels hands if he had been staying somewhere else than the dursley's and it was all because of dumbledore who analyzed lily's protection charm and worked on it so it continues to protect harry till he was 17

    • @Fzcubing
      @Fzcubing 2 роки тому +2

      Yeah, and I think Snape should have done SOMETHING about it, I wish magic could clone people, so They could use a fake dumbledore and trick Voldemort into believing snape killed the Headmaster.

    • @galactusff6315
      @galactusff6315 2 роки тому +2

      I am confused why have you used voldemort in 2nd line and then later in 2nd line used Dark lord, it seems he is still the one who must not be named.

  • @MonkeyDLuffy-rs5gc
    @MonkeyDLuffy-rs5gc 2 роки тому +77

    When he and harry was in the cave retrieving the locket, he even said that "certain" dark magic leaves traces, implying that he knew and he's sensitive enough to such traces.

    • @Wildcard0101
      @Wildcard0101 2 роки тому +4

      Yes and he also said to harry "tom was my student i know him well"

  • @SuperHolmesBrothers
    @SuperHolmesBrothers 2 роки тому +69

    I think he strongly considered it a possibility that destroying the horcrux would destroy the stone at that time. Dumbledore's greatest desire was to see his sister and mom again and apologize. He also had an obsession for the deathly hallows. If he were to properly destroy the ring for all he knew there was a strong chance he would never get to see them again and do that. I think he put on the ring and did in fact see them again but at the cost of the curse spreading to such a fatal extent while he talked to them one last time.

    • @alastorclark3492
      @alastorclark3492 2 роки тому +8

      I could believe this though once the magic of the stone is used the dead that "come back" don't leave until you yourself die. This means every time we see dumbledore his sister is there for only him to see

    • @michaeljohnson7245
      @michaeljohnson7245 2 роки тому +2

      This makes the most sense

  • @creedbratton9025
    @creedbratton9025 2 роки тому +67

    he wasn't gonna wait for Grindlewald to put a ring on it

  • @CB-THE-OG
    @CB-THE-OG 2 роки тому +148

    Loving your content! Dumbledore knew that him being vulnerable and weakened would cause Voldemort to act on this giving Harry a chance.

    • @michaeldenney6622
      @michaeldenney6622 2 роки тому +4

      yhos seemsreally logicaland reasonable dumledore had already decided to use harry as bait

  • @Drewcumber
    @Drewcumber 2 роки тому +56

    As a side note, maybe Dumbledore's presence in harry's limbo is one important point to why Dumbledore planned his own death. It depends on your interpretation of that scene but maybe Dumbledore's death was necessary in order to wait for Harry and nudge him one last time in the right direction to finish off Voldemort. There is also the idea of the elder wand dying with him (but why not snap it in two!). The problem with using Dumbledore's words as evidence is that he is an extremely unreliable source of information. He always told people what was required for his ambitions to come true which was often not the truth.

    • @alastorclark3492
      @alastorclark3492 2 роки тому +4

      My interpretation of harry's hallucination is just that. An entire hallucination. The real living dumbledore made it pretty clear that there is in no way a possibility for the dead to come back to life.

    • @nocturne311
      @nocturne311 2 роки тому +1

      @@alastorclark3492
      Nah, it's definitely not a hallucination. Lol.

    • @drishalballaney6590
      @drishalballaney6590 2 роки тому +1

      I think just like Dr Strange/Ancient One last time meeting in the Astral Plane it could have been a part of the Astral Plan tbh
      if there is a concpet of the soul there has to be some SORT Of Astral plane even in the Harry Potter universe

    • @zinzolin14
      @zinzolin14 Рік тому +1

      I like this theory, though I don't know how much foresight Dumbledore had to think he would get the chance to meet Harry in limbo, since I doubt even wizards knew what lied beyond death. Still glad it worked out thought! 😂

  • @darylsdesigns6679
    @darylsdesigns6679 2 роки тому +67

    I have an idea for a possible video. Special Awards for Services to the School, who received it and how they received it. I imagine the video would be relatively short, but still interesting to discuss

    • @alastorclark3492
      @alastorclark3492 2 роки тому +3

      You got tom riddle, harry and ron. There ya go

    • @ravenestrella2310
      @ravenestrella2310 2 роки тому

      @@alastorclark3492 I am really intrigued to hear your answer to this…how do you figure Tom Riddle is deserving of a Special Services award?

    • @moikelgris
      @moikelgris 2 роки тому +5

      @@ravenestrella2310 he did when he blamed hagrid for myrtle's death

    • @alastorclark3492
      @alastorclark3492 2 роки тому +4

      @@ravenestrella2310 I didnt say he deserved it i'm just naming the only 3 people who happen to have special rewards to the school. Tom for "finding" the culprit to the chamber of secrets and then harry and ron for actually finding the culprit

    • @JuanMataCFC
      @JuanMataCFC 2 роки тому

      @@alastorclark3492 don't quote me on this, but i think Voldemort's award was revoked when the "real" culprit behind the attacks (the Basilisk) was found. which means that when Dumbledore gave the award to Harry & Ron, he also revoked it from Voldemort.

  • @jenhernandez2858
    @jenhernandez2858 2 роки тому +72

    Dumbledore was obsessed with the Deathly Hallows… it’s what he sees in the mirror. His Ego got the best of him.
    His obsession actually caused all of it… if he didn’t have the invisibility cloak the potters would have escaped death. If he didn’t seek the wand his sister would have lived. His obsession mirrors Voldemort’s. Immortality- the desire took everyone he loved.

    • @DSVN23
      @DSVN23 2 роки тому +1

      Interesting !

    • @teleportato9854
      @teleportato9854 2 роки тому

      Damn

    • @albustran4855
      @albustran4855 2 роки тому +4

      I agree. Dumbledore himself many times admit he sometime arrogant, selfish. Yes, he been trying his whole life to be a better man, a great man but deep down - we, as human, stay the same. And in a right moment, our ego got the best of us.

    • @abdirahmanidris290
      @abdirahmanidris290 Рік тому

      Hallows not Horcruxes. Dumbeldore was a better man than voldy

  • @connieryan958
    @connieryan958 2 роки тому +14

    Your theory brings to mind my original thoughts when I first read those scenes in the book. Dumbledore (to me) appeared to be tired of always fighting against magical evils, never getting to rest, and just tired of life. I think he was ready to die, see his family again (especially his sister) and to have a good long rest. The added bonuses were to setup Harry to find the remaining Horcruxes and ready to confront Voldemort in the end (game)! Just a thought.

  • @guillerfilm
    @guillerfilm 2 роки тому +49

    I can see some parallels with the Lord of the Rings One Ring, which tempts even the strongest minds like Gandalf and Galadriel to put it on.
    Perhaps that’s an effect from the curse and Dumbledore couldn’t help but use it the moment he obtained it.

    • @photonboy999
      @photonboy999 2 роки тому +14

      Not sure there's evidence the ring "tempted" someone to put it on, but the other Horcrux' certainly had parallels. The locket was slowly influencing its wearers turning them evil. In fact, the "One Ring" is essentially a horcrux because Sauron poured part of his own soul into it which is why he couldn't be destroyed while it still existed. I'd say the entire Horcrux idea is likely taken from LOTR but with the twist of having several of them.

    • @badpiggies988
      @badpiggies988 Рік тому

      Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul, daghburz-ishi makha gulshu darulu

  • @andrewlopez9697
    @andrewlopez9697 2 роки тому +17

    I belive he was just ready to greet death like a old friend

  • @keonr1
    @keonr1 2 роки тому +4

    I think it goes back to the fact that Dumbledore realized that he was asking to much of the people around him.
    Maybe ordering snape to kill him when he was healthy would have been to big of an ask. However if he was already dying he could spare Snape that guilt. This only makes sense if we believe that snape mattered a great deal to Dumbledore. He needed Voldemort to trust snape completely in order for him to further protect harry and defeat Voldemort. For Dumbledore's plan to work it wasn't just important for Harry and himself to die, but to die at the hands of the right people.

  • @louisekno1129
    @louisekno1129 2 роки тому +14

    I like your theory on this one and the detail of your videos. I have always thought the horcrux would have toyed with his weakness for the hallows, especially the resurrection stone. All the time alone in his office with this part of Voldemort’s soul could not have been easy even for a powerful wizard like Dumbledore, he had his flaws like we all do. His strength and power enabled him to break free of the curse in time to call Snape, to contain the spread and allow him to give Harry the final pieces of info he needed to start his quest.

  • @reference900
    @reference900 2 роки тому +10

    I've always questioned this myself but I believe he put it on so he could see his loved ones, knowing that destroying the ring could destroy the magic of the stone itself in the process. So in order to see his family he must first use the stone before attempting to destroy it, and knowing his days were numbered anyways he could do so without fear of death.

    • @alastorclark3492
      @alastorclark3492 2 роки тому

      He would have turned it 3 times to use it not put on the ring. He did do this to after putting on the ring as he gave it to harry knowing that it works

  • @andreasvilladsen9286
    @andreasvilladsen9286 2 роки тому +19

    Maybe like with the locket there is a protective charm where you have to either drink the potion or wear the object in order to break the defence of the Horcrux. Why should Voldemort just let it lie there to be destroyed without putting on a fight?

    • @galactusff6315
      @galactusff6315 2 роки тому +2

      maybe coz voldemort never thought that anyone would know that he made hocruxes, since for that we would have to go in his past, which not many people knew.

    • @andreasvilladsen9286
      @andreasvilladsen9286 2 роки тому +3

      @@galactusff6315 But he is protecting the locket, which should oblige to the same logic.

    • @katj3443
      @katj3443 2 роки тому

      @@andreasvilladsen9286 that makes sense, I’d imagine they’d have a defence mechanism I doubt it would be as simple.

    • @barbsonthewire
      @barbsonthewire 2 роки тому

      @@katj3443 it doesnt seem simple at all, it killed dumbledore (be it willingly or unwillingly)

    • @zimonzieclown1633
      @zimonzieclown1633 2 роки тому

      @@galactusff6315 If Voldemort thought no one would ever find his horcruxes, then why did he put protective spells on them to begin with?

  • @facundoschilling1156
    @facundoschilling1156 2 роки тому +10

    He put the ring on because Rowling needed him to die, he was just too powerful. Of course in the book she writes that Dumbledore lost his head when he saw the ring, but the truth is Rowling knew she had created such a powerful wizard that she would have to kill him at some point. Otherwise, all the struggle the main characters go through in deathly hallows wouldn't be there...

    • @alastorclark3492
      @alastorclark3492 2 роки тому +1

      Well yeah ofc its for plot, but the explanation givin in the book is still a lie. The Dumbledore in kings cross is a memory repeating incorrect memories that harry already assumes he knows.

    • @imrankhan-white2868
      @imrankhan-white2868 2 роки тому +1

      @@alastorclark3492 any proof for that? Sounds like ur head canon

  • @annaathey8827
    @annaathey8827 2 роки тому +10

    I really like this theory. It makes sense.
    I also wonder whether or not the resurrection stone had its own influence. We know from the tale of the three brothers that the stone itself was designed to lead its holder to death one way or another. Perhaps this is how the stone attempted to end Dumbledore‘s life? Just like the second brother, who desired to rejoin his deceased wife, Dumbledore wanted to join his deceased family. The stones magic gave him the extra push to try to make that happen.

  • @azimuthclark462
    @azimuthclark462 2 роки тому

    You make good videos, thank you! Im not a book reader yet, but i really enjoy your work. Very informative.

  • @ThelleTV
    @ThelleTV 2 роки тому +8

    I think it’s far more likely that the ring had some sort of requirement to either retrieve it or destroy it such as the locket did. All head canon but it would make sense that Dumbledore had to put the ring on in order to destroy it. If he had wanted to kill himself just for the sake of seeing his loved ones, there are many other ways to do that. But that’s all just a guess /shrug

  • @blazingtrailzftw5702
    @blazingtrailzftw5702 2 роки тому +1

    Now that ive seen this video it got me thinking, and i thought of something myself. What if the resurection stone couldn't be used because of the curse, and dumbledore knowing that harry was a horcrux as well as the best chance to get rid of voldemort, decided to not only break the horcrux ring, but also break the curse so harry could use it when the time was right.

  • @MaCabaret
    @MaCabaret 2 роки тому +5

    I think he just made a rare misstep and overestimated his ability to control the effects of putting the ring on. He himself has stated that he is not infallible, as he succumbed to the effects of the potion that he had to drink to obtain the locket as well.

  • @The_ED_guy
    @The_ED_guy 2 роки тому +7

    I have a theory. In the deathly hallows, Dumbledore mentions to Snape that the sword must be taken in circumstances of extreme courage and chivalry. What is more courageous than almost dying while destroying a horcrux? So maybe Dumbledore put on the ring to put himself in danger, thereby summoning Gryffindor's sword.

    • @Piou_le_petit_ours
      @Piou_le_petit_ours 2 роки тому

      wasent the sword still there since Harry's secund year when he brings it back from the chamber of secrets?

    • @The_ED_guy
      @The_ED_guy 2 роки тому

      @@Piou_le_petit_ours we are told so. But again, it was snatched by Griphook the goblin while Harry and others visit the Lestrange's vault in Gringotts. However, Neville was able to pull it out of the sorting hat to kill Nagini. So maybe Dumbledore did something similar to destroy the horcrux in the Gaunt's house.
      This is just a theory.

  • @alexandersage1850
    @alexandersage1850 2 роки тому +39

    I think it’s because he naturally craves power. For a moment, he had access to the final hallow and put it on a moment of weakness. I think it’s more fascinating that his death would be a result of his main weakness.

    • @solarisp9733
      @solarisp9733 2 роки тому +3

      Yeah I agree, I think his obsession over the deathly hollows overcame him - He had the wand, he knew where the cloak was and I think in that moment he wanted to be sure it was the stone and he would then have access to all 3 hollows and could be the master of death

    • @mojus2890
      @mojus2890 2 роки тому

      This doesn't make sense. Why would uniting three matter? Why would the stone give him power?

    • @solarisp9733
      @solarisp9733 2 роки тому +3

      @@mojus2890 All 3 and he would be the master of death, he already had the wand, he knew where the cloak was and in that moment he also had the stone - that would have been the closest he had ever been to uniting the 3 deathly hallows which would make him the master of death

    • @mojus2890
      @mojus2890 2 роки тому

      @@solarisp9733 that also doesn't mean anything. Why would that make him powerful?

    • @ChaoticOrcPaladin
      @ChaoticOrcPaladin 2 роки тому +1

      @@solarisp9733 totally agree with you. Just ignore Sean. Lol

  • @AmbiKami
    @AmbiKami 2 роки тому +2

    Its 1am here and I should sleep now but I can help watching a new harry potter theory video😁😁😊

  • @princessalli2466
    @princessalli2466 2 роки тому

    Love watching your videos

  • @feliciastaldotter5168
    @feliciastaldotter5168 2 роки тому +3

    why would he lie about that its like the part where he comes clean about everything
    its not farfetched at all to imagine someone with so much guilt for quite a few moments forget himself

  • @aubreydoesarts7164
    @aubreydoesarts7164 2 роки тому +20

    i believe that dumbledore really did lose his head we are human and even the wisest person could make mistakes but still love your theory

  • @hovodzak
    @hovodzak 2 роки тому +50

    I think he could have a different reason. We know, that Voldemort tried to hide and protect his horcruxes. In the case of the medal, he made it sure if anybody find his treasure, to gain it, one must die. What if the ring had its own protecting charm, and the only way to destroy it was to wear it beforehand? Also because his past mistakes and his guilt toward Ariadna, he couldn't destroy it at once, so he couldn't call Snape immediatelly.

    • @Axagoras
      @Axagoras 2 роки тому +3

      I vote for your theory, Voldemort would require the horcrux to be worn before being destroyed.
      But also how about this: Obviously Dumbledore knew this and still did it, is there any chance that sacrificing himself to destroy Voldemort in this way would have a minor general protective effect on those loyal to Dumbledore after his death?
      When Lily & James sacrificed themselves directly for Harry they also destroyed 1/8 total soul pieces (Voldy + 7 horcruxes) and made a protective enchantment. So it's plausible if you agree with the first theory.

    • @photonboy999
      @photonboy999 2 роки тому +2

      The ring wasn't required to be worn to destry it. The book is clear.
      Snape asks him why he put it on:
      "Dumbledore: "I... was a fool. Sorely tempted...""
      If the ring HAD to be put on that Dumbledore would have said "I had no choice..."

    • @hovodzak
      @hovodzak 2 роки тому

      @@photonboy999 You're right.
      It seems the time has come for me to reread the books

    • @LyricalMixture94
      @LyricalMixture94 2 роки тому +4

      @@photonboy999 But saying he had no choice to Snape would only invite more questions. It's more than clear Dumbledore would never reveal his true intentions mostly.

  • @COmtnLady
    @COmtnLady 2 роки тому +2

    I like your "kill multiple birds with one stone" comment, but think you have attributed it to different reasons than I do. Dumbledore always saw multiple avenues of "the future" throughout the stories. Very early on he saw that Harry would need to voluntarily "die" to ultimately defeat Voldemort. Also, that Harry would need to talk with him in Kings Cross Station prior to the confrontation - which Harry wouldn't do as long as there was someone else (his mentor) around to be in charge. He needed to make things easier on Snape as you have pointed out. He needed to trick Voldemort into thinking he'd already won by defeating Dumbledore, so that V would become careless and make some necessary mistakes. He needed to not use The Elder Wand in an act of violence (destroying V), have it buried with him with no one knowing it was actually The Wand of Destiny, to never be dangerous again, which also had the extra value of blocking the Deathly Hallows from ever again giving so much power to one person. The wand would be gone, he knew Harry would dispose of the Stone in the Forest (had seen it in the possible futures), and the Cloak would just become a super-good tool that was relatively benign out in the world.
    As Andrea Gomez says in the answer below here, he logically turned himself into a chess piece to move the game in the direction he thought would have the most optimal preferred outcome. Not emo, logical.

  • @barneystinski2518
    @barneystinski2518 2 роки тому +11

    I have always wondered how the greatest wizard on earth could make such a rookie mistake. Granted Dumbledore spoke of the mistakes of old age in the order of the Phoenix already, but he was much too wise to just put on a Horcrux. I think he felt guilty for his past and also for knowing that he "raised" Harry just for him to die. But I also believe that Dumbledore's sacrifice was necessary for Harry to go through with it. Harry's biggest weapon was love and he Dumbledore was his mentor. He was the one who taught Harry about Horcruxes and the Prophecy. Dumbledore had to die for Harry to realize that the fight was real and he had to end it. Dumbledore was always there to protect him and shield him from harm but now Harry was on his own, having to figure it out for himself. I think that exactly is what made him so strong.

  • @marcoh703
    @marcoh703 2 роки тому +2

    Dumbledore is really a great wizard. One of the best but off al people he is a flawed man. A man with a unbeareble guilt. And even so great as the Dumbledore could falter for finding a life long desire. I always thought he wanted to make amends in life before his death. He didnt knew which spell killed Ariana and it didnt matter. Dumbledore holds himself responsible. And maybe dumbledore did it also out of a selfish reason. He was maybe afraid his soul would be broken, cracked or split because of the death of ariana. Maybe he wanted to heal his soul before his death. I dont know for sure but repairing your soul is not possible when you die..

  • @imcraxy1823
    @imcraxy1823 2 роки тому +2

    would indicate his success in tracking down Voldemort's past-both to help encourage Slughorn to return to Hogwarts, and to help persuade him to turn over the correct version of the memory of Slughorn talking to Riddle about Horcruxes.

  • @bigjt37
    @bigjt37 2 роки тому

    I think you make good sense here. Good job man, logical, as always.

  • @skisquad1023
    @skisquad1023 2 роки тому +2

    I have a hard time imagining the original Dumbledore being able to play this role as the story turned darker. It’s almost like the change in actors was fate. The early years were a bit more child friendly then as they turn dark this Dumbledore is a better fit.

  • @jorgecarbajal8076
    @jorgecarbajal8076 2 роки тому +1

    We know that Dumbledore would see his family whole and happy when he looked in the Mirror of Erised, making it very clear why he wanted to use the Resurrection Stone on the ring.

  • @dowahkin1852
    @dowahkin1852 2 роки тому +3

    Weirdest thing is that just yesterday I watched Harry potter and the half blood Prince and I wondered why did he put on the ring and today when I woke up I literally saw the answer in my notification bar 😂

  • @glenmassey3746
    @glenmassey3746 2 роки тому +2

    He likely thought with him in possession of the final one he would master death and to him as its master any curse wouldn't affect him. His ego finally caught up with him and it cost him everything. He had planned for Harry to die from childhood never believing he would die before his plan was finished.

  • @theinvisiblewoman6783
    @theinvisiblewoman6783 2 роки тому +1

    I do wonder. Did Harry need to survive? Either Dumbledore made sure he would by making sure he had access to all three deathly hallows. Or from his mother’s sacrifice because it was Voldemort. Harry “greeted death like an old friend” thanks to Dumbledore and his master chess game with people’s lives. But just a theory. But say Harry stayed dead at that same moment. Neville still kills Nagini. Voldemort is still without his horocruxs. Everyone after Harry’s sacrifice is still protected by the love magic. Could anyone kill Voldemort in that moment?

  • @stevenbass732
    @stevenbass732 2 роки тому +36

    In the book "Deathly Hallows", Dumbledore plainly stated that he "quite forgot that the ring was a horcruxe and thought for a moment that he would see his family and apologize". Not much gray area there.

    • @alastorclark3492
      @alastorclark3492 2 роки тому +3

      Sure there is. Even though he fails to quote this correctly its okay for him to be disatisfied with the answer since the "dumbledore" in kings cross is a figment of harry's imagination

    • @alastorclark3492
      @alastorclark3492 2 роки тому

      dumbledore is dead and burried on the castle grounds during this supposed convo. The LIVING dumbledore did quite plainly state that there is no coming back (in any way)

    • @stevenbass732
      @stevenbass732 2 роки тому

      @@alastorclark3492 Whatever you say.

    • @alastorclark3492
      @alastorclark3492 2 роки тому +1

      @@stevenbass732 Lmao it's not whatever I SAY. That would make it a theory. Its canon therfore out of our hands

    • @H0uxdubxston
      @H0uxdubxston 2 роки тому +3

      @@alastorclark3492 what you're saying is book one, that could easily have been Dumbledore telling a 10 year old that to not make them go on a seemingly fruitless journey, searching for the resurrection stone. Based on the deathly hallows story, it's a miserable existence for the dead to be back in that form, he would never encourage Harry toward allowing that fate for Harry or his parents. I truly believe he was human in that moment and lost himself. The most powerful wizard in the world is still human. Emotions are strong.

  • @thomasa8814
    @thomasa8814 2 роки тому

    I believe Dumbledore performed a, in his own words, an "Oopsie poopsie."

  • @MageProTrue
    @MageProTrue 2 роки тому +2

    To take the locket he had to get poisoned so I guess to take the ring it was mandatory to wear it and get cursed. Just like with the locket this trap was set to incapacitate an intruder to figure out how somebody could possibly know about horcruxes.

  • @fl2660
    @fl2660 2 роки тому +2

    I think Dumbledore put on the ring imagining that he now had all 3 deathly hallows, that he could master death. After all, it was his lifelong goal to his quest for power. A risky decision. Dumbledore only alludes to Harry that the tale is quite thrilling. I also think that Dumbledore needed to find a way to pass the elder wand on to Harry indirectly as Harry would never want to try and defeat Dumbledore for it himself. Harry is the one destined to destroy Voldemort, so Dumbledore needed to pass all 3 of the deathy hallows on to Harry before it was too late.

  • @hunterkiller1440
    @hunterkiller1440 2 роки тому +50

    Dumbledore: I just want to make amends with my lost sister.
    Voldie: Hahaha. No.

  • @andrzejzborowski4920
    @andrzejzborowski4920 2 роки тому +1

    It's interesting because by sacrifcing himself he could not only save Malfoy, but make Snape more valuable spy and break the Elder Wand's power which actually didn't work because of Malfoy's disarming him at the top of the tower. But why he didn't tell Harry this in limbo?? I am also curious if the Resurrection Stone worked because its power was stronger that than the Horcrux or the curse imposed on it.

  • @mafeweigel
    @mafeweigel 2 роки тому

    This is so weird.
    I’ve been thinking real hard about this subject lately but I didn’t look for an answer and today, this pops out in my feed as the first video.
    👀👀👀👀👀

  • @robgoodsight6216
    @robgoodsight6216 2 роки тому

    "Multiple birds with one stone!" 🤣❤👍

  • @jcerasi13
    @jcerasi13 2 роки тому +1

    I have a hard time believing he would just forget but I have an even harder time believing he would choose to die or risk himself knowing how much is at stake with the events just passed in OotP. I think it really shows his human side. That no matter how powerful a wizard or person you are, you can still succumb to emotion. I don't think he forgot but I think in his rush of emotion of finding it and thinking he's seconds from seeing his family after an abnormally long life, he put it on. As hard as it is to believe he could have this error in judgment, we know that he has had errors in judgment throughout the books let alone what we don't know so I feel it's more possible than him making what would be an extremely risky and selfish decision to end his life, whether in a year or right away, with so much at stake in the world and he being the best defense against Voldy

  • @Assidere
    @Assidere 2 роки тому +1

    I like the idea that because he used the ressurection stone he was able to come see Harry in limbo and that if he didn't use the ring he wouldn't have been able to do that to guide Harry back to the living. He was raising Harry to eventually have him die and ever since he had this as his plan he was looking for the stone, he even says he changed his reasoning for wanting the stone. So with the stone maybe he realised what he had to do or knew how it worked because of past records of people using it and then decided he would die to allow all these events to unfold but also to help Harry come back.

    • @Lucamitm
      @Lucamitm 2 роки тому

      I never understood how he saw harry after dying, so he died with the resurrection stone and gave it to harry ?

  • @TheSolarium18
    @TheSolarium18 2 роки тому +2

    You all have never understood the real character of Dumbledore if you think it wasn’t his flawed character which made him do this mistake

  • @cressy9480
    @cressy9480 2 роки тому +1

    Best Harry Potter theory Chanel I know

  • @patsysadowski1546
    @patsysadowski1546 2 роки тому +1

    Nothing corrupts our true nature like guilt. The guilt he felt to his family and now Harry and even The Potter’s death. After, I think it became part of the plan.

  • @arrowghost
    @arrowghost 2 роки тому +1

    My crazy thought when I saw that ring he wears is that as a powerful wizard, it's not just hoping to see his loved ones, but also attempting to destroy the ring from within. But sadly it doesn't, that's the same for Jedi attempting to destroy Sith artifacts by concentrating their will power to destroy them.

  • @ethansmith279
    @ethansmith279 2 роки тому +1

    I love how even though Dumbledore’s a good guy he’s not perfect like Gandalf for example(its an easy parallel) was just powerful bc he was a demigod but Dumbledore represents a more realistic idea of a successful person… hes kinda cocky and has been known to undercut people for his own gain despite him overall being a good man

  • @i.am.not.herbert
    @i.am.not.herbert 5 місяців тому +1

    They let you put this video out without posting a suicide helpline phone number at the end?
    😂 that's hilarious

  • @gothix5868
    @gothix5868 2 роки тому +14

    Maybe it's for far simpler reasons.
    Dumbledore didn't want to let Snape know he was searching horcruxes. He found the ring and was trying to destroy it. So he tried many different ways and still nothing. Even tried the sword. Then he thought, maybe the ring needs to be put on to be able to break the curse Similar with the locket needed to be opened to be destroyed.) Him knowing that Snape could help with curse and also his own power to protect him, maybe he thought that was enough to protect him. He placed the ring on his finger, the curse was released (similar to the locket), he destroyed it with the sword, but, the curse was much more powerful than he thought.
    I like a lot of your theories but sometimes I think you go too far with them and it might be so much more basic. I like the idea that it was about family and the such, but Dumbledore seemed too wise and intelligent to make it this act all about family. I was driven mad at the idea the Voldemort had found a way to stay alive and be resurrected, the threat of the damage to the world Voldemort would do. All he wanted to do was get rid of Him.
    Anyways, that's what I think. Dumbledore wanted to keep from asking anyone's help, especially Harry's, in searching and destroying the horcruxes. Thought he was strong enough to be able to protect himself from the curse as he destroyed the ring.

    • @photonboy999
      @photonboy999 2 роки тому +1

      The ring didn't need to be put on.
      Dumbledore said he was a "fool" to put on the ring. If it was required to be put on he would have instead told Snape "it was necessary" and Snape would have agreed. You said "him knowing that Snape could help with curse" doesn't make sense either. Snape was mad at him for taking too long to seek his help AFTER Dumbledore put on the ring and got cursed. No. Dumbledore was tempted to put on the ring. In an instant of stupidity that probably ties into his guilt over his sister's death and desire to see her again, he put on the ring.

    • @TV-ob1if
      @TV-ob1if 2 роки тому

      That’s a lot of words for a simple reason. 😂

  • @greenlantern41387
    @greenlantern41387 2 роки тому +1

    The guiding theme behind all 7 books love. love he loved and missed his sister All the power and wisdom in the world wouldn't stop someone from seeing someone they loved.

  • @Huskytabby
    @Huskytabby 2 роки тому

    Video idea for you to do:
    What additional effects do spells have that are not seen in the movies? For instance, what else can the patronus charm do besides ward off dementors?

  • @TheLastKentuckyIrregular9524
    @TheLastKentuckyIrregular9524 2 роки тому +2

    It literally says in the book that he did it out of a combination of hubris and longing to see his dead relatives. It was a reckless moment not something planned to draw out Voldemort.

    • @alastorclark3492
      @alastorclark3492 2 роки тому

      The words you are basing that off of came from an illusion of dumbledore by harry. Those are harrys words and he doesnt actually know he just presumes as much from what he learned about dumbledore

  • @mstrikesback168
    @mstrikesback168 2 роки тому

    God bless you for continuing to make HP videos for us.

  • @TheArtyMaverick64
    @TheArtyMaverick64 2 роки тому +1

    I also think he did it in an effort to allow the elder wand to die with him instead of passing into the ownership of the person who kills him, but ultimately this plan fails because voldermort found it was in its tomb

  • @cyndaquil8331
    @cyndaquil8331 2 роки тому +1

    I think it was necessary to wear the ring in order to destroy it. To make the Voldemort from inside the stone come out, just as he did from the diary and the locket, and strike the Horcrux then and there. Knowing that the curse would probably be deadly, Dumbledore wouldn't have asked anyone else to make the sacrifice, so he'd do it himself. This is how I see it.

  • @JARedwolf100
    @JARedwolf100 7 місяців тому

    Personally I think it’s a lapse of judgement and a case of a melancholy old man reacting like a man dying of thirst upon seeing an oasis but not noticing the sign reading “Danger - arsenic contaminated!”

  • @stevenjowell5368
    @stevenjowell5368 2 роки тому

    I was wondering about Salazar's wand I read it was made from a basilisk horn and was able to sleep under his command could you make video about this

  • @jacobdrolet4262
    @jacobdrolet4262 2 роки тому

    Totally amazing theory of Why Dumbledore put on a curse 💍 and fantastic job on the video.

  • @sakarinieminen3205
    @sakarinieminen3205 2 роки тому +1

    He told Harry in the books that due to his immense wisdom his mistakes tend to be crucial and larger scale in comparison too

  • @lynchn9562
    @lynchn9562 Рік тому

    It's kinda like how when you find something your passionate about even the strongest of people can fall victim to temptation

  • @GabiGAgui
    @GabiGAgui 2 роки тому

    I see Voldemort, Dumbledore and Harry as the three brothers of the tale. The first wanted power, the second one wanted his loved one to como back to life and Harry just greeted death like an old friend

  • @imneeganz7116
    @imneeganz7116 2 роки тому

    What song is this love this soundtrack

  • @LordWyatt
    @LordWyatt 2 роки тому

    Personally I think he didn’t hesitate after seeing the resurrection stone combined with the Effects of the Horcrux (compelling the finder to put it on?). Then in the time he took to take it off and destroy it with the Sword it was too late for Snape to help. Also Dumbledore had the option to use the stone before placing it inside the golden snitch to see his family before he dies (giving him some peace possibly even before Snape’s arrival).

  • @deborahzawacki9536
    @deborahzawacki9536 2 роки тому

    I would like to see a storyline about the pensieve where the vials of memories are to be reviewed and catalogued for the Department of Mysteries rebuilt after the battle.

  • @Currawong
    @Currawong 2 роки тому

    When your trauma runs deep enough, you'll do crazy things.

  • @IamStaked
    @IamStaked 2 роки тому +2

    What if he feared the stone would be destroyed along with the horcrux and wanted to make sure he could use one time atleast.

  • @kajesimpson126
    @kajesimpson126 2 роки тому

    This was beautiful. Thank you.

  • @alejandrosantana5693
    @alejandrosantana5693 2 роки тому

    Because the plot demands that a character kitted from head to toe in very thick Plot armor, die.

  • @leefylizness551
    @leefylizness551 2 роки тому +1

    I look forward to Harry Potter theory and I’m early.

  • @lagunax5645
    @lagunax5645 2 роки тому

    I think there's two big reasons why the straightforward explanation is correct:
    1. Its hard to imagine an archetype that lends itself more to the role of "Reliable narrator" than "Ghost of a dead mentor confessing his sins amid exposition".
    2. A fictional "Smart character" can only ever be as smart as the one writing him, and while I'm not gonna dunk on Rowling, it does seem like the kind of thing that she would write and have as a canon action of her "Smart character".

  • @malkav_ils
    @malkav_ils 2 роки тому +4

    Question is did Dumbledore actually know exactly that those were Horkruxes before Harry managed to get the true memory from Slughorn?

  • @raghavparanjpe9556
    @raghavparanjpe9556 2 роки тому

    Another Question: how could montague apparate within hogwarts when he was stuck in vanishing cabinet due to twin weasley

  • @EditStudioJL_Official
    @EditStudioJL_Official 2 роки тому

    Bellatrix would say: Hey old dirtier half-blood, I'd like to use this as a wedding ring for my handsome Lord!

  • @Bilbsyy1
    @Bilbsyy1 2 роки тому

    Eh I like to think it's similar to how the necklace effects ron, and this was really why dumbledore left the deluminator to him. Was that it effected him more and talked him into putting the ring on. I don't think we're ever really told how long it took dumbledore to put the ring on, so maybe while he was trying to work out how to destroy it (maybe hadn't worked it out yet) he got talked into putting it on by the ring itself, and that was then how he realised to destroy it, sort of like that just before you die scenario you find a way out. I think this is more feasible, as dumbledore hadn't really come across horcrux's in the past

  • @jorgnocke991
    @jorgnocke991 2 роки тому +2

    Who do you think udwin Harry Potter vs Harry Dresden???

    • @gingerredshoes
      @gingerredshoes 2 роки тому

      Dresden, hands down. Potter would go to disarm him and find out what wandless magic is really all about. Dresden has fought opponents much worse than Voldie, over and over again. That's not to mention the Winter mantel. I enjoy both series, but the idea that these protagonists should go head to head instead of teaming up in some epic intercontinental smackdown is ludicrous.

  • @AtomicDudMan
    @AtomicDudMan 2 роки тому +1

    Harry looked at Dumbledore as a protector. Remember when Granger said, “with Dumbledore around he won’t touch you.” Referring to Tom riddle. So Dumbledore made Harry fully independent and rely on his friends and his own skill.

  • @soumyadipXplore
    @soumyadipXplore 2 роки тому

    Well Dumbledore had that Time-Turner thingy..and already knew what he had to do and when..

  • @mjc8281
    @mjc8281 2 роки тому

    A Harry Potter theory that has gripped me recently is..... was the Prophecy simply Trelawney being Trelawney, the only time in the book you see her do anything remotely close to that is when wormtail returns Trelawney's second prophecy, but in truth it really doesn't say alot and its really vert detail vague. As for the first one you could put the whole thing down to Voldemort simply simply acting on what was said.

  • @sylvestermalcommazani783
    @sylvestermalcommazani783 2 роки тому

    I think like the potion that was put to guide the locket, Riddle may have put enchantment that the only way to get to the ring is to put it on your finger. I think that would make the most sense

  • @MrDknuckle
    @MrDknuckle 2 роки тому +1

    the band of the ring was the horcrux not the stone ? -- the ring was "destroyed there on the desk " as Dumbledore used sword on it but Harry goes on to use the stone later with out ill effect -- this always seemed a bit confusing in the book

  • @TheSorrel
    @TheSorrel 2 роки тому

    "Why did Dumbledore put on a cursed ring?", HPT asked, calmly.

  • @jessicalogan4930
    @jessicalogan4930 2 роки тому +5

    I'm curious as to who Snape may have killed.. He saved Malfoys soul by killing Dumbledore, so whom did Snape kill?

    • @deborahzawacki9536
      @deborahzawacki9536 2 роки тому

      He was a Death Eater--- but he was conflicted. your soul may be fractured or torn from a killing which you may do yourself or are complicit in-- but you don't have to create a horcrux. if you go by a Christian perspective, one's soul can be redeemed--we now know that in essence he was doing penance for 18 years. Not happily-- but to buy back what he brought about as a result of his own pain and resentment. One theory suggested that " you have to mean an unforgivable curse" and that Snape did the deed to save Draco's soul-- a noble sacrifice since it essentially meant he would shoulder the blame.

  • @gcolombelli
    @gcolombelli 2 роки тому

    I don't think he knew it was a horcrux, or maybe he thought it could be, but wasn't sure. Maybe he was just collecting everything he could, not just memories, about Tom Riddle to try to figure out how to defeat him. There's a problem with the chronology here, if he already knew the ring was a horcrux, what was the point of luring Slughorn back to Hogwarts? Just to figure out that he created multiple horcruxes? I'm pretty sure he put the ring before Harry extracted the true memory from Slughorn.
    The part about making easier for Snape I'm pretty sure is in the Deathly Hallows book. IIRC it's not stated in the book he intentionally used the cursed ring, but he did argue with Snape that he would like for Snape to kill him, not Draco. He said something about preserving Draco's Soul, and Snape replied something like "what about my soul?", and Dumbledore replied something about "killing out of mercy"... not sure the exact words, it's been too many years ago and I read it in a different language.

  • @hawkslandinghomestead
    @hawkslandinghomestead 2 роки тому

    The loss of a loved one is a terrible thing. And many regardless of power or intelligence, would do most anything to see them again.

  • @hackmxn
    @hackmxn 2 роки тому +4

    I want to listen to him read the books

  • @Achala148
    @Achala148 2 роки тому

    I wonder if Dumbledoor had prophetic insight, or went into the future and saw what was to happen. He always knew about Harry being a horcrux. So if he had not died, when Harry was 'killed' and that part of voldomort was left dying in the afterlife, if Dumbledoor had not died and been there to guide Harry, Harry may not have known he could chose to return and finish the fight. So Dumbledoor did what he had to do to ensure at every stage voldomort was defeated.

  • @Justin-cl7lg
    @Justin-cl7lg Рік тому

    Reading the books it seemed like dumbledore always had a plan and was all knowing.. extremely wise, never heard of him making too many mistakes.

  • @Nebuhalanezar
    @Nebuhalanezar 2 роки тому

    Maybe he thought he could see / feel the other Horcruxes somehow by putting it on.

  • @logic-ally
    @logic-ally 2 роки тому

    This sounds like a song

  • @jeffreymorgan8687
    @jeffreymorgan8687 2 роки тому +1

    I do believe that dumbledore became weak and gave into his desire to see his family HOWEVER. I believe Dumbledore had to put the ring on to prove a theory or to destroy the ring. I imagine that Voldemort did something to the ring that required Dumbledore to put on the ring before he could destroy the horcrux. and Dumbledore could have chosen a longer, less sure way to destroy the ring but ultimately decided to sacrifice his life, destroy a horcrux, save malfoy and help severus and he would get to see his sister again. In his book the choice had all net positives.

  • @VivanLaMNWA
    @VivanLaMNWA 2 роки тому

    I think back to the fact that Dumbledore turned down the Minister of Magic position because he didn’t trust himself with power. And he admitted that he was blinded by love for Grindewald which made him delay defeating him which would’ve saved lives. There’s so much textual evidence that Dumbledore is prone to making big mistakes centered around emotion or need for control.
    So why is it so out of the question that he lost himself and the chemical imbalance of endorphins that would follow finding both something you expected (a key to defeating Voldemort) and something unexpected (a treasure connected to seeing his parents and sister he’s wanted for literally a century) I would find that possibility more acceptable that he decided to finally pay for his sins and commit suicide. Let’s remember this incident caused him to want to get killed by Snape. If Dumbledore is healthy, why can’t he overpower Draco when he tries to assassinate him?

  • @simonupton-millard
    @simonupton-millard 2 роки тому

    I wonder if he realised if he used the stone part of himself (what ever the polar opposite to a Horcrux) awould be linked to it to enable himself to help harry one last time and would need him to give up his life, and he knew Snape would do it only if he was dieing anyway so two birds with one stone

  • @lethiapage4767
    @lethiapage4767 2 роки тому

    I have some ideas not too different from this but I think it's in poor taste to suggest that Dumbledore started to kill himself and then reconsidered. Burdened or not (and it's fair to say he was) Dumbledore was not suicidal. I think he saw his guilt and reunion with his family as reasons not to fear death, but that doesn't mean they were reasons to take his own life.
    I do think Dumbledore saw how his death could help in all the ways you mentioned. Sparing Draco, sparing Snape, fooling Voldemort about Snapes loyalty, fooling Voldemort and everyone else about the loyalty of the elder wand. So I think he did curse himself as an insurance that events would unfold as planned, he marked himself for death and it was irreversible. In doing so there was no reason to deviate from killing him at the right time, instead of trying to spare him in a weaker moment.
    So really my only argument with the video is the difference between suicide and sacrifice, whether he put the ring on in a moment of weakness or strength.