20's Plenty: The Move to Safer Speeds in the UK
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- Опубліковано 23 жов 2024
- Five years ago, Streetfilms' was in Warrington to talk with the great folks behind 20's Plenty For Us, a largely volunteer group of organizers trying to get speeds of most streets in their United Kingdom boroughs reduced to 20mph. The first film was highly successful in helping spread the message and on a recent trip we caught up with them again.
Founder Rod King MBE reports some amazing statistics: currently over 14 million residents of the UK now live on streets of 20mph or less, including 3 million in London. Despite being a very small organization they have empowered an unbelievable 263 local campaings across the UK asking for 20 mph streets. It's amazing to see energized volunteers deploying all sorts of creativity to get the message out: stickers, banners, yarn-bombing, children's art and t-shirts. The success have been remarkable and in the film we get to briefly visit Central London, Liverpool and Cambridge.
In fact, building on those achievements the 20's Plenty For Us is now campaigning for "Total 20 By 2020" which aims to make most of the streets in the entire country 20mph, making it the norm rather than the exception. For those watching in the United States, this film is like a road map to how to get public support and your community energized around lower speed limits. New York City may have recently set it's city speed limits at 25 mph, but to keep driving down serious injuries and fatalities, we should be following the example set by the UK.
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Yes on the whole its a good idea. But Its no where near as effective as this video makes out. I live in this area pictured in Warrington, these streets are my local streets. I am car driver, motorcyclist, cyclist and pedestrian (and i have a young family that plays out (unusual)). So Im in a great place to comment. A few points...
First point, these limits are no just placed on residential side roads. Main roads are changed 20 as well, this dilutes the effect and teaches drivers to ignore them. For example park road (now returned back to 30 after bus timetable effected (where are your road safety ideals there?), St Marys road is also main link between Gt Sankey and Penketh is also 20.
All these 20 limits are virtually ignored. It doesnt even register on most drivers radar, they drive at 30+ and thats that. Most driers are not intrinsically aware of the limit they drive to a learnt muscle memory system., its habit.They have no idea how slow 20 is, its generally not even the same gear in in a car. So all basically the people who are driving 20 (just me) end up with a 4X4 right up my arse, wondering why i am crawling along. your now creating a larger speed difference in the traffic, with all the problems this entails. This sorta defeats the road safety value.
I'm not convinced that the limits are enforceable. the signs are often badly placed, obscured and only on a single side of the carriageway, they not the standard size. There are no repeaters/reminders.
The idiots who do speed (and i mean intentional, as opposed to lack of awareness) couldnt give a monkeys about 30. do you think they care about 20. no chance. So how does this work? its doesnt. Who are these people speeding anyway? Think about whoit is? and why. on the whole its local people, the same people who want the 20, makes no sense.
I could go on. But hell.
Terrible idea. Now affecting more communities.
20 mph or 32 km/h?
You can put up signs all you want but its totally unenforceable
One question. When are all the speed bumps being removed.
Speed limits in the uk need an overhaul. Completely agree with reducing speed limits in built up areas and back streets. Motors ways should be 80-90mph. Lorries should not be allowed to over other lorries doing nearly the same speed. Tailgating needs a higher punishment, same as Middle lane hogging.
Omg no the maximum should be 60mph not 90mph r u crazy r u drunk
@@CountryballClub69420 most cars are doing 89-90 anyway
@@CountryballClub69420 its not speed that kills, its the inability to stop safely within the distance available. Driving bumper to bumper is crazy. You need a good four second gap between you and the car in front.
@@CountryballClub69420r u slow
People will be doing 15 mph in reality. Oh what fun.
There are areas that need 20 but a lot of places will be insane. Oh the reality of this will be chaos and roadrage.great combination for disaster.
I agree with this wholeheartedly (I even signed the local petition )...However why not increase the motorway speed to bring it into line with most European countries where the limit in places is 130kmh (approximately 80 Mph )?
Pushed by people with their heads in the clouds. Going so slow just distracts drivers and give people a false sense of security. If you don't like traffic move to the country.
At 20 miles per hour, 10% of people that are crashed by cars die; at 30 MPH, that number is 50%.
And at 20mph encourage people use their phone killing the child that could have been saved if you was doing 30mph and paying attention
@@samkhodr9975 can you share the raw data for that? You'd need a database of ALL road traffic accidents involving pedestrians, plus an (accurate) estimate of the speed the car was going before impact. Even a 5-6 mph error in the speed estimate would quickly mess up a comparison between 20 and 30. I don't doubt that there is difference in mortality rate between impacts at 20 and 30, but honestly this smacks of campaign propaganda
@@sff8279 Fair enough, I don't have the raw data (it is something i heard). But, the comment above you proves that there is propoganda from both sides haha. "20 mph speed limit encourages people to text and drive, killing children?"
No its not Good why is it good when the road clear middle off the night cold cant see the small sins road to the road its foggy windows are steamy your family hot you have more then one person in the car you looking around that the road is clear to drive carefully you dont know wether it should me 20 or 30 and still get down for 28 mile hour in the at 1 am new years day, is this right or wrong. in my eyes its wrong, WHY HAVE THE CAMERAS SO HIGH YOU CANT SEE THEM there in the meddle of the road its not safety its making money on drivers not because there not alert but keeping there eyes on the road and not on the speedometer its ok for you PEOPLE WHO DON,T DRIVE BUT people who drive going 20 miles when the rad clear road , its not right i passed my test doing 30 not 20 now its 20 and i get court out doing 28 because of the reasons i gave about if i you if i should me going at 20 i still find it hard and still do 24 26 mile an hour if there traffic ok but when its at night it should go up do 30 agin gave and take but this will catch a lot of drivers out in the future and its not going to work in my eyes i hate it i dont drive fast even at 30 i will never go to 50 mile or even 40 but 30 i would do 35 now its 20 i have to do 25 but you have to take on bored the condition like people be hide you clear rad its confusing why have they no advert on tv i only found out new years day with slap of 100£ is this not about making money and not saving lives this is a 20 mile joke i hate it.
In the middle of the night, that's not a reason to speed because visibility is lower at night and there's a big difference between 20mph and 30mph. A car going 30 has more than twice as much kinetic energy as a car going 20 and the stopping distance at 30 is twice that at 20. And if you speed, you can't complain about the camera being too high, if you don't want a ticket, don't speed, if the windows are foggy and you can't see the signs, you aren't making sure you always have full visibility, so you need to de mist the windows. If you hit someone at 20mph, there's a 1 in 40 chance they will die, at 30mph, there's a 1 in 5 chance they'll die, and the odds are even worse for vulnerable pedestrians like children and the elderly. At 35mph, the chances of dying if hit are already a grim 1 in 3. It's ridiculous to expect the rules to never change after you do your driving test, they'll be 20 signs as you enter a 20 mph zone
Great campaign and a great effort for 20 mph on public road. I wish 2020 the organizers would reach their goal to achieve 20 mph, into implement in full effect in the United Kingdom. This would make it user friendliness to a growing society in modern standard travelling about place to place.
Pardon?
Yeah, let's introduce "20's Plenty" on every road in the country including motorways!
Idiots like you shouldn't be allowed to drive on the road.
Same miserable propaganda pretending safety reasons not money reason.
How about careless cyclists education,careless pedestrians education course or punishment?
Drivers are punished but not pedestrians,not cyclists?
Because a car is a 1 or 2 tonne machine which can cause far more damage than a pedestrian or bike and the difference between 30 and 20 is a lot and I don't see how money really plays into it when police and cameras rarely, if ever enforce 20 limits
this has been done everywhere, its standard policy, in the Netherlands and its a good idea :)
Obviously people don't travel far as you'd never get to wherever you had to be. Appointments 30 miles away ,work an hour away. You must have better train services.