It's my favorite weapon. Can't wait until the upcoming counter failure gets to a "fever" pitch and massing occurs. Then we will see the crispy critters get going. I also like the thermite versions, that get the metal gone. Hope to get to see more such efficient usage soon. Graham, has yet to run out of the ladt Ukranian, but he's getting close. Slava zuchinni.
The interesting thing about the TOS-1 is that it was supposed to be operated by Soviet CBRN troops. The logic was that you can’t have contaminated ground from chemical weapons or biological agents if you vaporize it with thermobaric warheads.
Flame operations has always been the purview of chemical troops in most armies. It had zero to do with decontamination. As a US Army chemical dude one of my jobs was to make napalm and fill munitions and flame throwers.
As soon as you said that Ukraine captured some of them to use against Russia... my first question was "and how much ammo?" I'd doubt there was any significant use of these by the Ukrainians.
Ukraine had a lot of Soviet munitions production, which is a big part of how they've been able to keep so many captured tanks and artillery pieces firing. That said, I suspect these are more valuable as a source of tank parts than for redeployment.
highly doubt it, it's not so easy to reproduce something like that fast. Also there is ammo shortage in entire West at the moment - they will not even start something new to produce since there is not enough ammo for current howitzers and tanks. Also UA have no air support and using TOS short range artillery without air support is suicide.
We, the USAF, tested this airbomb on Loatian villages in the early 1970s. I had a patient (I'm a doc) who became an ordinance engineer but who had to go onto the ground to assess the effectiveness of this experiment. Everything was dead and exploded, men, women children, goats, beatles, chickens. He was sickened.
Yep. Ukraine receiving 200B and getting beat on by budget weapons and taking (to some sources) 10:1 losses. This thing going on is stupid. Ukraine can't win this war and maybe if nato stayed minding their own business and if Minsk accords were followed the world would be a better place.
@@АлакПатрова lmao, 10:1? Russian army one of the weakest army in the world, and they even cant beat small country like Ukraine in the direct warfare. You are listen to much propaganda bro
You've mangled the "Solntsepek" even more spectacularly than one could expect :) Literally, the world means "sunblaze", which is more passing than Buratino for sure.
Its definitely useful against dug in targets and in urban warfare against enemy strongholds. It substitutes air power in many scenarios and is insensitive to the presence of strong anti air defenses.
I never understood, like for Azovstal, why Russians didn't use tear gas. I don't see how it can be considered "chemical weapons" when used by police against unarmed people even in democratic countries. Or burning sulphur. They are very unpleasant at concentrations which are far bellow lethal.
@@BojanPeric-kq9et In order to avoid any grey zones, ALL use of gas is prohibited in war. Reason it's allowed by police (who also may use hollow-point ammunition) is that it is relatively unlikely that the police "accidentally" would mix in mustard- or nerve gas into their riot control gear and then claim "it's only tear gas".
@@BojanPeric-kq9et Tear gas isn't that voluminous and can't expand enough in a controlled manner to clear any long corridor or large space. It doesn't hang around that long either by design and dissipates. You need very specialized pumps and other equipment to even concentrate it in a tunnel as the USA found out in the Vietnam war. A simple office door with a rag under it can essentially block its passage. it's meant to discourage a crowd of protestors or smoke out a small car or a bedroom. Nothing more.
@@BojanPeric-kq9et There where civilians of their new provinces in the Azovstal bunker system. War is brutal enough as it is and they had encircled the area. So they decided to just besiege them until they surrender. No need to kill your own for a quick victory when time is on your side. Otherwise, thermobarics might have been used tehre too (although actual bunker systems like that in Azovstal might be immune because of being designed to protect against extreme pressure waves).
The range issue is less about precision than payload dimensions: This type of warhead is very heavy and takes up a lot of space. To make it longer range would either require an enormous rocket engine, a glide phase (which would make it easy to interdict), or a powered glide phase (massive increase to complexity for minimal gain) -- all of which would massively increase the size of each munition and limit the size of vlley per launcher. These tradeoffs are really hard to balance out, and it is clear which tradeoff the Russian design went with.
Oh no, there are thermobaric rockets for 300mm systems (smerch, tornado-s) same range as othr types. For other 220mm systems (uragan and tos-2) - more range than tos-1a. So there are plenty of thermobaric mlrs options in Russian arsenal, so tos-1a is a special tool, because thermobarics are only effective if there's precision and/or decent grouping. You have to hit quite close to target for any effect apart from intimidation and smoke.
You are actually wrong. The Geniva convention since the 70s have banned all use near or at Cities or any sort of Human settlements due to how indiscriminate they are.
Are it's effects horrifying. Yes. Is it hideously effective against trenches and bunkers? Yes. But is it a war crime to use such a weapon? No. (Unless used against civilians).
The use of thermobaric weaponry was designated a war crime back in the 1980ies but because they are so effective nobody actually went as far as to outright ban them. The UNO expressed deep concern about it, as they usually do instead of actually doing something about the matter. And that's that for now
Bro being destroyed inside of a bunker is terrible for anybody soldier inside it if the bomb doesn't kill you then the collapsed concrete/steel will. Via crushed alive.
I've seen Australian Air mounted Thermobaric weapons being demonstrated. Even from over a KM away, this thing going off is very powerful, and briefly feels like standing next to a gas radiator. I'd hate to be in the middle of an attack by one of these munitions.
"Oh, do you think so? I always told my men that the closer you are to the point of an explosion, the safer you are " Evelyn Waugh. Officers and Gentlemen
You could say beyond a certain point the chance of being KIA decreases the closer you are to the source of the explosion... ...because the chance of being completely vaporised by it and classed MIA increases
@@chill29394 they both use rockets to deliver their incendiary loads and this is their main characteristics. Obviously the scale is different, but not the core functionality.
@@chill29394 The TOS-1 does have plain incendiary rockets though, which confirms @zbyzanna's point. That the Americans for one reason or another choose to never develop a FAE-warhead to the M202 is hardly Kremlin's fault.
I loved how he showed the "Siege of Sevastopol" of 1854-1855 and talked about german nazy attacks. Yes, that poor city was sieged more than once or twice.
The USMC SMAW-NE is a shoulder fired Thermobaric rocket. It has been in service for at least 20 years. Great weapon system unless you have to carry it around.
Yes, it was used pretty heavily in Fallujah to clear buildings, for some I was just watching some footage of dudes firing them off a roof. Though we also used Mark 77 fuel air bombs in Fallujah which was pretty bad in retrospect.....
@@trogdortpennypacker6160 Yeah US used incendiaries in Fallujah since the targets were the insurgents and not civilians and US did a leaflet drop beforehand which satisfied the laws of armed conflict in regards to mitigating civilian casualties. Very questionable to use thermobarics/incendiaries in a populated city (even after evacuation), but the effectiveness of these weapons are why US and Russia use them and block any attempts to ban them.
Seeing TOS impact grids filmed up close from Russian drone POV especially in the humid conditions being fought right now let's you see the shockwave front from each exploding warhead.... That really drives home how wicked strong these weapons must be. The stories of corpses being found with lungs ripped out from the overpressure seem likely :/
Hell they are waaaaay too close to enemy lines-just 6km range-with drones EVERYWHERE-who the hell would want to crew THAT The fuel part of this explosive-would be ignited by a tiny drone warhead-a grenade-not like normal HE which require significant explosive to detonate Yeah I would not want to crew THAT-imagine the fireball when all the rockets go off-on the crew- Drones everywhere 155 precision munitions available-not for me-too little range-they will find you
@@charlesoboyle4787 That is why they mounted it on a tank chassis. They literally designed their weapons to be used in a nuclear conflict with Nato because they where convinced, that one is inevitable. I expect that tank to be airtight. The operators of that system might actually survive while any soft targets outside are getting ripped to pieces. There is a reason for these things not being given to normal infantry - or PMCs...
I love it that Cappy has to say 'non-firing' on the tiny GOAT guns to pass the UA-cam censors. Excellent coverage of an rarely discussed weapon system.
@Rex yes, I mean those ones, as these are the more dangerous ones for tanks and artillery. The other ones, like canon and mrap, they need reconnaissance drones to spot them.
@@galimbertino4939 Even though Israel hasn't yet given export licence for Spike-missiles to Ukraine, the newest variants of those have 25 km range. Even the ER II -version has 10 km range.
@@atklm1 I don't think Israel wants to get into this! 1. Even though the president of Ukraine is a Jew, but in Israel they know who this Jew supports, they don't have very nice patches on their shoulders, for Israel. 2. this is Israel's vulnerability, Russia clearly sticks to neutrality in the Middle East, balancing both Iran, Turkey and Israel, it will not be good if Russia is forced to take sides. 25% of Israel's population is Russian-speaking, many of course from Ukraine, but still most of them are from Russia. All the players in the Middle East are neutral, they stay out of the Ukrainian swamp - good for everyone.
The first deployment of thermobaric weapons was during the siege of Sevastopol in WW2. The Germans dropped barrel bombs via Stuka dive bomber onto Soviet positions outside the city. The Soviets sent a strongly worded communication to German high command informing them that the Soviet Union would break out its stocks of poison gas if the Germans ever used those bombs again. The Germans decided that they did not want to be fighting in a toxic environment.
In Crimea in WWII, both at its conquest and during its defense, the Romanians were a notable involvement. My grandfather was in the 2nd Romanian Mountain Division. After ending its involvement in the conquest of Crimea, this division conquered Nalchik on its own, the furthest Axis advance on the Eastern Front. My grandfather told me a story resembling with yours: There was a big corn field with many Soviet soldiers hiding in it, some able bodied and ready to fight, other of them being wounded. An SS battalion used flame throwers and set ablaze all that corn field. Hours later, the Soviets transmitted through big loudspeakers that if this tactic will be ever used again, they will dump poisonous gas on the Axis positions.
A correction: the MOAB is not a thermobaric bomb. It's in the heaviest class of conventional bombs, hence the MO ("massive ordinance") designator. Thermobarics like the BLU-82 don't carry much explosive, just aerosolized fuel that needs to mix with air to become explosive.
.........SO,THERE WAS A MENTIONING MORE THAN A 10 YEARS AGO....ABOUT RUSSIANS MADE THEIR BLU-82 THAT WAS 4 TIMES MORE STRONGER THAN MOAB SO THEY CALLED IN "FATHER OF ALL BOMBS" ........ACTUALLY IT'S PRETTY MUCH ANXIOUS ABOUT MAYBE THEY'LL ALSO START TO DEPLOY THEM
Russia has guided munitions for their mlrs systems and for the 6inch and 8inch howitzers The reason the TOS has such a short range is because it has far heavier warheads on a relatively small rocket, this allows big boom while being easily transportable and cheap. The fact that the launcher is a tank allows it to get very close to the target with relatively low danger. This is a very smart type of system and there are multiple advantages. The system is also very simple to operate and can very easily be converter to a robot, you set it the target, it automatically uses GPS to drive to the fire position, it fires and then it returns. These advantages mean other armies might want to invest in such a weapon system in the future. It can also work on a naval version, on a big drone boat designed to strike before a landing operation, limiting any risk to your own soldiers and at the same time delivering multiple times the payload of a long range system.
It really doesn't matter that it is a tank because the ammunition is heavily exposed. There is no real advantage, which is why most armies don't do this. Long-range, light mlrs is the best way to invest
There's tons of footage of the TOS-1 strafing treelines and trenches. Leaving behind burnt corpses. I saw one man literally blown out of the treeline. If this thing makes it to your position. You are done for.
Im wondering if thermobaric warheads could be used to clear areas with anti tank mines since their pressure is so high that they should be able to trigger those mines.
Minefields are usually coverd by observer post that can call in precise artillery support on stuck tanks or mine clearing vehicles, a swift deployment of 2 of those that could clear 400x800m minefields to clear a path for an armoured batallion trying to get behind the defense line and attack from the rear might be worthwhile if they could trigger anti tank mines
Hello! I am native of Donetsk city and I want to make one point. On 8:42 it's not the explosion of TOS-1/1A/2. It is detonation of ammunition in the air - I know it, because I was in the house on the right side of the video at this moment (Yes, I live there and seeing this video again has triggered me). According to official Russian sources, it's an explosion of 155mm projectile (shell? idk how is it being written in English, sry) shot from Caesar french howtizer. Also, as far as I remeber, Russian army doesn't have shells which'll detonate in the air to cover larger area with shrapnel (for those, who'll say that Russian army is striking the cities under its control). It's not a propaganda or inciting national or political strife comment - only clarification of information from the video, please let's refrain from aggressive comments in any direction, regardless of political views. Thank you!
I think the best example of the stretching grey area of the definition of a military target is best defined by Iserali strikes in Gaza a few years ago(I think it was 2019?) Where they claimed to not have targeted civillian buildings and infrastructure with bomb strikes, but the militant's tunnels beneath them.
Militants really knew what they were doing, right? Put weapons to places were civilians live. In western countries there are laws against that kind of actions, but what would terrorists care about civilians or suffering caused to them because of their actions. By the way, did you know that Soviets tought the tactic to Syrians during Yom Kippur War as Syrians were being overrun by IDF. PLO adapted that tactic as well as civilian casualties are very beneficial or should we say crucial to their cause.
@@nipe2121 yes they do. god willing to those fighting the Israeli occupation. Can only hope we’d be as tenacious if we were in the Palestinians shoes fighting an decades long occupation. As American as apple pie.
Correction: Neither the BLU-43 Daisy Cutter nor the GBU-83 Mother of All Bombs are thermobaric weapons. We have however fielded limited units of the CBU-55 and CBU-72 in Vietnam , a few hundred remaining CBU-72 in Desert Storm before partially retiring the idea in the 90's, put I think a one-off warhead into Tora Bora, and have specific variants of the Hellfire II missile and 40mm grenade with thermobaric charges. We also employed this Russian TOS system imported into Iraq in the second Battle of Fallujah against ISIS.
I was puzzled when I encountered the term "heavy flames thrower" systems in Russian reports of the conflict. I initially thought it was an error from the translater. But now I understand.
Someone explained in another comment that it is due to the difference between Russian and English. I dont speak Russian but this would be something that probably could only be proprely explaning by someone who do.
Current American FAE munitions include the following: BLU-73 FAE I BLU-95 500 lb (230 kg) (FAE-II) BLU-96 2,000 lb (910 kg) (FAE-II) CBU-72 FAE I AGM-114 Hellfire missile XM1060 grenade SMAW-NE round for rocket launcher
Few clarifications....When UKR, in breach of Geneva convention, uses buildings and settlements for cover and fire positions, TOS comes in handy. When mentioning 7000 civ casualties in Grozni, just remember 1.6 million of Iraqis of wich 300.000 were kids... or 4 million Vietnamese of wich million were kids.
Is it really capturing something if there's basically nothing left? That's like shooting someone in the head and calling it a kidnapping because you're still in possession of the body
@@1stCallipostle its about the Denazification/demilitarization of the Ukraine military. Just like you said 🤣 there is nothing left, no more Ukrainian Bandera boys there left to grind down in that city. Mission complete, to the next city..
3:27 the voiceover is correct, referencing the ww2 Sevastopol siege, but the wiki cutout is from the Crimean war, not the ww2 Sevastopol siege. Probably the editor blamoed it together real quick just looking up "Sevastopol siege" and called it a day. In fact i notice theres alot of mistakes better or worse in ur vids. I respect editors immensely and yours do a great job on the aesthetics, but the information on the screen is just off at times.
Saying that the oxygen sucking effect adds to the destructive power is like saying that sound of the gunshot adds to the destruction of the bullet. The only upside of using oxygen from the air is that the weapon does not need to carry its oxidizer, but that means the weapon has to make a close to stoichiometric mix with air for the explosion. This is not very ideal because only about 20% of the air is oxygen, so the rest of the air would consume energy to heat up. That means that these explosion are cooler, and less powerful compared to using high efficiency oxidizers. (this creates a non-trivial trade-off) The vacuum is created by the explosion over-expanding (nothing to do with oxygen). Anything which can create lots of hot gas and cool it quickly can create a vacuum effect. The cooling is caused by the very fast expansion of the explosion. This weapon tend to heat up very large amount of air instead of just creating hot gas like more conventional explosives. This largely enhances the vacuum effect.
This kid comparing gunshots and vacuum bombs effect. 😱😂 You cant breath in the area of vaccum you dumbo.. there is no air(oxygen) to gasp because all of them has been exploded. Idk if it can explode your lungs also.
Thanks for the generous dose of engineering mythbusting. The amount of illiteracy amongst the media and various military tech pseudo-experts is absolutely cringe. Worst part being that they proliferate such nonsensical BS, which their audiences proceed to take as gospel.
you wrong in many points but i will say this . matter does not get destroyed for all we know oxygen will remain in air wheather you cool it or get it hot
@@caesarsalad1170 Yeah, when they hit things they only scatter dust that no civilian will ever notice that remains dangerous and toxic for years and makes its way into people's food and water...
This content is Cappy at his best. This weapon was used in devastating effect during the latest Ukraine offensive and left so many KIA on the ground Ukraine couldn't retrieve the bodies and the carange and smell effected the Russian troops that officers asked command to use the platform sparingly.
The name of the latest variant of the TOS-1 "Solntsepiok" can be directly translated as Sun Burn, but the the more meaningful English translation should be something like Heat Waive.
the contrast between the united states and russia is astounding. the united states focused on horrifying levels of precision while Russia went the "surely if i throw enough explosives at it, i'll hit it" approach
The Russian way of war is such a unique way to envision warfare. The Book is also really good on how Russia has defeated every western army ever assembled against their nation. The Russians are truly one of the best militaries in the world and it is not based on spending, or tech, or fire power, just in the way the handle their weaknesses and make em their strengths the way they see things and events differently than us in the west. What they consider winning to what they consider losing. It is truly fascinating.
The secret is in the balance. Moderately harsh life, moderately comfortable. Moderately liberal policy, moderately conservative. To the extent of material values, to the extent of spiritual. Moderately rational development and moderately sensual development. Even the climate is moderate - both heat and cold happen.
@@Lercher-ph7ok Germany, Austria-Hungary, Turkey, Bulgaria - were defeated. France, Great Britain, Japan, Serbia, the USA, Italy - emerged victorious from the war. Russia, which had done so much for the victory of the allies, was not among the victorious countries because of the revolution and Lenin's decree to withdraw from the war, when the fate of Germany was already determined.
That's funny, did you forget about that little conflict called World War 1. Then the Germans almost defeated Russia again in WW2, which would have happened if it weren't for Lend-Lease from the West. Then there was the Cold War. As far as losing to non-Western countries- Poland, Finland, Afghanistan..... Do I need to keep going here?
@@JudgeVandelay Harry Truman made this statement a few days after Hitler's Germany attacked the Soviet Union, as published in The New York Times on June 24, 1941: "If we see that Germany is winning, we ought to help Russia, and if Russia is winning, we ought to help Germany, and thereby let them kill as many of each other as possible." You can also search for "Prescott Bush and Hitler" on Google. He is George Bush's grandfather. If American elites didn't nourish Nazi Germany like a mother breastfeeding, there wouldn't have been a World War II and tens of millions of corpses. There is a popular misconception in the US that America alone defeated Hitler. Well, to tell the truth, America did emerge with the greatest gain as a result of the destruction of Europe and the USSR.
When a military attacks a city full of civilians, the civilians are not collateral damage. They are the target. That's just as true in Aleppo as in Hiroshima.
Hiroshima was packed full of military targets. If they hadn't built them in the city, it wouldn't have been targeted. Yeah, I know, learning history is just soooo hard.
@@nobodyspecial4702 Yup, when I read about that I was actually shocked about it!! At first I thought the US did it to flex their power, but after learning there was a high value target. Honestly if you built military object of any kind in coty...city.... expect your city being targeted for that reason.
@@orderoftheyawgmoth Kane will be pleased with your answer, you have passed the initiation. Go forth Brother, spread the word. The rise of the brotherhood will happen once again. This time, the GDI forces will be dealt with once and for all. All hail Kane!
.......I SLIGHTLY REMEMBER THAT AT END OF 2000'S RUSSIANS CREATED AND TESTED SO CALLED "FATHER OF ALL BOMBS" WHICH WAS THERMOBARIC EQUIVALENT OF 44 TONS OF TNT .....GOODNESS GRACIOUS THAT THEY DIDNT WENT COMPLETELY NUTS TO ALSO DEPLOY THEM
Even if the civilian casualty figures are correct, it's still less than civilian casualties in a couple of Japanese cities. So it is not the US to blame someone for possible civilian losses.
@@wesworld98 which is still less than the number of civs that would have died if the US stopped sticking their nose in other people's neighborhoods and sanctioning everyone in sight for not being gay enough
@@wesworld98 that is still not a good argument, like the afganistan war would be a whole lot quiker if the US bombed anything that moved but we at least try to avoid atrocities.
@@wesworld98 Is it though? I know that's the conventional wisdom we all believe because that's what we're told every time the subject comes up, but indiscriminately wiping out two entire cities tells me otherwise. Would nuking Baghdad have fewer overall civilian casualties? What about nuking Kiev?
I am certain that if a was in an entrenched position, and the enemy told me that they would use this weapon on me, I would retreat or surrender.......what a nightmare!
Works great, rockets are a serious problem. Currently per target limit is about 3-4 rockets. If its got ammo its definitely a number one target on the battlefield. Will collapse your lungs in the trench if you get caught no problem.
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A detail I do need to add is that the part about TOS-1As not being fitted with ERA is wrong. The vehicle is normally fitted with Kontakt-5 ERA. Oryxblog meanwhile lists 6 TOS-1As as having been confirmed destroyed damaged, or captured, of which Ukraine has captured 3. These have likely been stripped for parts to repair T-72s.
I'm not an expert, of course, but most likely nothing will happen. Just a shell will be ruined, or do you think that when a bullet hits the gas tank, the car explodes? That's a great idea for Michael Bay, though.
@@mr.andrew8001 Incendiary rounds plus aerosol go boom! That would be crazy if it cooked one off, it would chain the others and that turret would melt into slag!
15:30 Aleppo - 30,000 deaths from destruction of 31,000 buildings? Was it evacuated already? Thanks for this documentary. It just shows how appalling war is. If ordinary people had any control over this, they would be banned. And countries would have nothing to invade other countries with.
@@mikes989 Like many people I didn't know about these places. Ukraine has made them more famous. But more importantly it has made ordinary people like me look at the horror of the people and the weapons used. And at the lies like 30,000 buildings destroyed and less than 1 human per building killed. That is why I asked, were the buildings empty?
Every weapon is horrifying if you are at receiving end. For me it was very horrifying when US used cluster bombs against civilians, but I guess that is one of benefits when a country has democracy.
@@BojanPeric-kq9et Vietnam? US hasn't used cluster munitions (other than the AT "pucks") in a long, long time. We've gotten a lot of flak for the BLU-108's, unfairly, I think. They're precision anti-tank pucks.
Those things would have one hell of a thermal profile, and they're big. Shouldn't be too hard to find them and document their use from thermal imaging.
That is "incorrect" if putting it mildly. Starting with the fact that Russia used "Solncepyok" practically from the start of the conflict. Saying it was engaged to specifically to capture Bahmut is pretty much a lie.
I can totally believe that the Russians would be sparing with their use of TOS systems till after Ukranian artillery in the region was quieted. The Ukranians kept rotating new units into Bakmut, so to me this would explain the slow initial slog, characterised by attritous trench warfare on the outskirts of the town, artillery duels etc, but then within like 3 days (which coincides with the Russian MOD saying the TOS systems are being moved forwards in Bakmut)they managed to push into the town and start clearing block by block in a methodical grid. This to me is where the TOS systems are finally being used extensively, with the infantry essentially pushing forwards and securing cleared ground. Then the incendiary bombardment of the area of big apartment blocks kinda ended what was the siege in earnest, with fighting continuing sporadically on the outskirts.
Russia actually also has termobaric bombs. Russian name for them is "volumetric detonating aviation bombs", in russian "объёмно детонирующие авиационные бомбы" or "ОДАБ"
Nearly most nation fields a thermobaric weapon system. US Himars do have thermobaric warheads, also US used thermobaric bombs aganist talibans in the cave systems.
When you fight in open terrain, a soldier digs a foxhole to hide from shrapnel that comes from artillery, rockets, mortars, etc... Thermobaric weapons are meant to kill everything within a certain radius that can actually breathe, it will burn oxygen along with your lungs within milliseconds. Russian Tos launcher moves into positions, fires its entire salvo, and leaves in less than a min. It's hard to catch one and devastating to face it.
@@huntclanhunt9697 Weapons like that usually become controversial after intense use, that leads to bans. That's why we created rules of war, so men could actually return home
@@tomasgogashvily5350 no, they only become banned if they cause too much unnecessary suffering or if they contaminate the land. A thermobaric weapon kills much faster than traditional artillery rounds so they don't fall under that category.
There is an important difference between fuel-air and thermobaric munitions. The first are two-stage (dispersion and initiation charge) whereas the second are one-stage and metallized. Thermobaric metalized are mostly solid-state (though not all) whereas fuel-air are liquid volatile explosive. It looks like Russian TOS-1 is fuel-air, not thermobaric.
The TOS-1M has 30 launch tubes and the TOS-1A 24. I have yet to see the 1M version, so most have only 24 rockets. I doubt the 1M is still in use, due to the shorter range. The weapon system shown at 7:03 is a BM-21 btw, not a TOS ;-)
Look up German weapon codenamed "Nebelwerfer" (smoke thrower). Giant revolver-type-rocket-launchers on artillery carriages were loaded with 8 short fat close range rockets. I've heard the first eight shots were class propane tanks and the last was white phosphorous. I imagine it was a rush job and that getting that perfect detonation was iffy.
I think he was implying that only losers of war get prosecuted, or even seriously accused in the media, of war crimes. Dresden, Tokyo and other fire bombings, Hiroshima/Nagasaki... any time prisoners were taken and the troops were given 5 minutes to take them back to base...
The author was wrong only in one. Russia doesn't use Buratino (TOS-1), but Solntsepek (TOS-1a) In Russia, there were practically no Buratino systems left in the early 2000s. They are very different visually. At the frontline, 99% is Tos-1a Solntsepek.
I love how you have to specify GOAT guns are "NON-FIRING" every time you mentioned them by name. It reminds me of labels on appliances that are practically screaming to people "DON'T LET YOUR CHILDREN PLAY IN THIS". Some idiot really fucked up one time and did a lawsuit and now everyone gets to see a warning label as a monument to their stupidity.
There’s no war crime here. Yes it’s a gruesome killing machine but how different is it from an RPG that also kills? Let’s not bring bias to this channel.
The only difference when employed by the Russians is that a RPG might take out a room with civilians, while the thermobaric rocket kills a civilian city block.
i think they are working on a version to further increase its range from 6.5kilometers to 9-10 kilometers which would probably decrease the warhead size a little bit but longer range is more desired now days so it wont be in tank or shoulder fired rocket range
As horrifying such a weapon is, its no worse than other forms of artillery. I don't think it makes sense to ban it. The main concern is who it is used against
Well, at least it displaces cluster munitions which have a similar usecase and are much worse when it comes to unexploded munitions. But its existence is a good motivation for sending more MLRS to Ukraine to take it out imho.
If you think about that name, that classification, flamethrower, the rocket-sender is more a flame thrower than the thing I usual mean by flamethrower, the 'gun' hold, that projects a streaming lance of burning flame. The first one actually throws a fire on its target. The flame-gun is more a hose, that launches its jet from itself to the length of its range.
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We should also stop American war crimes. Both sides bad.
It's my favorite weapon. Can't wait until the upcoming counter failure gets to a "fever" pitch and massing occurs. Then we will see the crispy critters get going.
I also like the thermite versions, that get the metal gone.
Hope to get to see more such efficient usage soon.
Graham, has yet to run out of the ladt Ukranian, but he's getting close.
Slava zuchinni.
Go and stop it, big boy. 😉👍
Wow. For the longest time, I thought these could fire live rounds! Appreciate the clarification 🙄
YT regs can be dumb as hell
You are a Government agent 🤣🤣All you do is lie. V FOR RUSSIA CLOWN
The interesting thing about the TOS-1 is that it was supposed to be operated by Soviet CBRN troops. The logic was that you can’t have contaminated ground from chemical weapons or biological agents if you vaporize it with thermobaric warheads.
Soviet solution af. "Comrade, ahead we have heavily contaminated terrain"
"Burn it"
Flame operations has always been the purview of chemical troops in most armies. It had zero to do with decontamination. As a US Army chemical dude one of my jobs was to make napalm and fill munitions and flame throwers.
@@WillieBrownsWeiner Make napalm? You mean handle napalm.
@@MondoChow777 mixing napalm is a time honored tradition.
@mondochow4425 nope. Make it. With waste oil, mogas and M-4 thickener. Made in 55 gallon drums.
Anyone else thinks the TOS looks straight out of Command and Conqour?
Yes, it has a great look to it.
What a game that was, eh?
Probably were they got it from.
It looks like rocket launchers from Dune 2 intro.
Rise of The Reds mod has it
As soon as you said that Ukraine captured some of them to use against Russia... my first question was "and how much ammo?" I'd doubt there was any significant use of these by the Ukrainians.
Ukraine had a lot of Soviet munitions production, which is a big part of how they've been able to keep so many captured tanks and artillery pieces firing. That said, I suspect these are more valuable as a source of tank parts than for redeployment.
There was only one, not proven, report of use in 2022. There is no ammo for these systems made in Ukraine. Systems use post Soviet ammo.
@@raycearcher5794 This is not a Soviet system.
@@raycearcher5794lol , it literally entered service after the collapse of the USSR
highly doubt it, it's not so easy to reproduce something like that fast. Also there is ammo shortage in entire West at the moment - they will not even start something new to produce since there is not enough ammo for current howitzers and tanks. Also UA have no air support and using TOS short range artillery without air support is suicide.
We, the USAF, tested this airbomb on Loatian villages in the early 1970s. I had a patient (I'm a doc) who became an ordinance engineer but who had to go onto the ground to assess the effectiveness of this experiment. Everything was dead and exploded, men, women children, goats, beatles, chickens. He was sickened.
The west or US doing it so it's not a war crime (see the pattern here)
But Russia using them is a "war crime", huh?
That's awful, especially that it killed The Beatles.
@@EDKguy Only Ringo Starr
whut? no not really right
Got to say it looks beautiful with all the shock waves going outward. Pretty terrifying, but strangely beautiful
Who doesn't enjoy the 🔥FIREWORKS🔥 with 🎵sound🎶 and everything .
The TOS-1 and the Lancet are two incredible monsters.
Yep. Ukraine receiving 200B and getting beat on by budget weapons and taking (to some sources) 10:1 losses. This thing going on is stupid. Ukraine can't win this war and maybe if nato stayed minding their own business and if Minsk accords were followed the world would be a better place.
@@АлакПатрова everybody knows UA stands zero chances of winning anything here.
@@vickomen333 you'd be surprised. Americans, those on the left are easilly manipulated.
+ KA-52
@@АлакПатрова lmao, 10:1? Russian army one of the weakest army in the world, and they even cant beat small country like Ukraine in the direct warfare. You are listen to much propaganda bro
You've mangled the "Solntsepek" even more spectacularly than one could expect :)
Literally, the world means "sunblaze", which is more passing than Buratino for sure.
It's a running joke on this channel that he mangles the names of everything
Go easy on the guy, @12:16 he can't even spell battalions properly. Betallions is not even close.
I am honestly impressed
@@clivedinosaur8407 As opposed to Sigmallion
SOLENVESKY! because if its russian its gotta end with a "sky" sound right?
that made me cringe pretty badly
Its definitely useful against dug in targets and in urban warfare against enemy strongholds. It substitutes air power in many scenarios and is insensitive to the presence of strong anti air defenses.
I never understood, like for Azovstal, why Russians didn't use tear gas. I don't see how it can be considered "chemical weapons" when used by police against unarmed people even in democratic countries. Or burning sulphur. They are very unpleasant at concentrations which are far bellow lethal.
@@BojanPeric-kq9et In order to avoid any grey zones, ALL use of gas is prohibited in war.
Reason it's allowed by police (who also may use hollow-point ammunition) is that it is relatively unlikely that the police "accidentally" would mix in mustard- or nerve gas into their riot control gear and then claim "it's only tear gas".
@@BojanPeric-kq9et Tear gas isn't that voluminous and can't expand enough in a controlled manner to clear any long corridor or large space. It doesn't hang around that long either by design and dissipates. You need very specialized pumps and other equipment to even concentrate it in a tunnel as the USA found out in the Vietnam war. A simple office door with a rag under it can essentially block its passage. it's meant to discourage a crowd of protestors or smoke out a small car or a bedroom. Nothing more.
@@BojanPeric-kq9et There where civilians of their new provinces in the Azovstal bunker system. War is brutal enough as it is and they had encircled the area. So they decided to just besiege them until they surrender. No need to kill your own for a quick victory when time is on your side. Otherwise, thermobarics might have been used tehre too (although actual bunker systems like that in Azovstal might be immune because of being designed to protect against extreme pressure waves).
@@johanmetreus1268
If it's banned in war it should be banned for police, including hollow points.
The range issue is less about precision than payload dimensions: This type of warhead is very heavy and takes up a lot of space. To make it longer range would either require an enormous rocket engine, a glide phase (which would make it easy to interdict), or a powered glide phase (massive increase to complexity for minimal gain) -- all of which would massively increase the size of each munition and limit the size of vlley per launcher. These tradeoffs are really hard to balance out, and it is clear which tradeoff the Russian design went with.
Oh no, there are thermobaric rockets for 300mm systems (smerch, tornado-s) same range as othr types. For other 220mm systems (uragan and tos-2) - more range than tos-1a.
So there are plenty of thermobaric mlrs options in Russian arsenal, so tos-1a is a special tool, because thermobarics are only effective if there's precision and/or decent grouping. You have to hit quite close to target for any effect apart from intimidation and smoke.
Use of flame weapons is not a war crime, however using them to suppress civilians is a war crime.
Prove it’s been used intentionally against civilians?? Not from Ukranians sources please
Do you think that the NATO or Russia care about it? Neither gives a damn about laws.
While i listen to the Serbian song my father is a war criminal by baja
You are actually wrong.
The Geniva convention since the 70s have banned all use near or at Cities or any sort of Human settlements due to how indiscriminate they are.
@@vladislavchekunov4530 Brainwashed
Are it's effects horrifying. Yes. Is it hideously effective against trenches and bunkers? Yes. But is it a war crime to use such a weapon? No. (Unless used against civilians).
Everything Russia uses is always against civilians!
Killing civilians is a war crime no matter the method.
The use of thermobaric weaponry was designated a war crime back in the 1980ies but because they are so effective nobody actually went as far as to outright ban them. The UNO expressed deep concern about it, as they usually do instead of actually doing something about the matter. And that's that for now
Bro being destroyed inside of a bunker is terrible for anybody soldier inside it if the bomb doesn't kill you then the collapsed concrete/steel will. Via crushed alive.
@@caesarsalad1170 Banned Inc. would like to have a word with you.
I've seen Australian Air mounted Thermobaric weapons being demonstrated. Even from over a KM away, this thing going off is very powerful, and briefly feels like standing next to a gas radiator. I'd hate to be in the middle of an attack by one of these munitions.
"Oh, do you think so? I always told my men that the closer you are to the point of an explosion, the safer you are "
Evelyn Waugh.
Officers and Gentlemen
@@paulbeesley8283 That is satire for you... 🙂
You could say beyond a certain point the chance of being KIA decreases the closer you are to the source of the explosion...
...because the chance of being completely vaporised by it and classed MIA increases
That's an interesting anecdote. Cheers 🍻
I'd hate to be not close enough to be killed, but close enough to be left alive and maimed lol
American made M202 FLASH is also categorized as flame thrower so the classification isn't that unique.
M202 FLASH is a flamethrower. It's not a thermobaric MLRS. Calling TOS1 a flamethrower is just calling a rifle a butter knife.
@@chill29394 they both use rockets to deliver their incendiary loads and this is their main characteristics. Obviously the scale is different, but not the core functionality.
@@zbyszanna absolutely not. Core functionality of TOS-1 is thermobaric effect. M202 doesn't even have that functionality.
@@chill29394 The TOS-1 does have plain incendiary rockets though, which confirms @zbyzanna's point.
That the Americans for one reason or another choose to never develop a FAE-warhead to the M202 is hardly Kremlin's fault.
It is different when the USA does it. Always. No exceptions from that exception.
I can't believe they're using Term of services on Ukraine!!!
What's next? A dmca?? The ban?
Ah yes, the most feared type of soldier on the battlefield
Lawyers
Really is that why India has a small navy
@@indiasuperclean6969 we love india 🇺🇦🤝 🇮🇳
@@chilbiyitoperhaps someday.
I loved how he showed the "Siege of Sevastopol" of 1854-1855 and talked about german nazy attacks. Yes, that poor city was sieged more than once or twice.
Also the crimean war
@@Galaktionov hope not
@@Galaktionov what you mean
The Crimean Tatars during the war with Russia destroyed and drove into slavery about a third of the population of Russia.
The USMC SMAW-NE is a shoulder fired Thermobaric rocket. It has been in service for at least 20 years. Great weapon system unless you have to carry it around.
Oh yeah the SMAW is so great only the Marines get stuck with it!
We also used the M202 Flash into the 1990s. That thing literally fired napalm rockets.
@@j.robertsergertson4513 Why didn't the Army want it?
Yes, it was used pretty heavily in Fallujah to clear buildings, for some I was just watching some footage of dudes firing them off a roof. Though we also used Mark 77 fuel air bombs in Fallujah which was pretty bad in retrospect.....
@@trogdortpennypacker6160 Yeah US used incendiaries in Fallujah since the targets were the insurgents and not civilians and US did a leaflet drop beforehand which satisfied the laws of armed conflict in regards to mitigating civilian casualties. Very questionable to use thermobarics/incendiaries in a populated city (even after evacuation), but the effectiveness of these weapons are why US and Russia use them and block any attempts to ban them.
Small portable thermobarics must do crit psych damage to enemy units. Seriously though, wouldn't want to be in the other side if that.
Seeing TOS impact grids filmed up close from Russian drone POV especially in the humid conditions being fought right now let's you see the shockwave front from each exploding warhead.... That really drives home how wicked strong these weapons must be. The stories of corpses being found with lungs ripped out from the overpressure seem likely :/
least indian shizo
I can dodge all of them missiles
Hell they are waaaaay too close to enemy lines-just 6km range-with drones EVERYWHERE-who the hell would want to crew THAT
The fuel part of this explosive-would be ignited by a tiny drone warhead-a grenade-not like normal HE which require significant explosive to detonate
Yeah I would not want to crew THAT-imagine the fireball when all the rockets go off-on the crew-
Drones everywhere 155 precision munitions available-not for me-too little range-they will find you
@@charlesoboyle4787 That is why they mounted it on a tank chassis. They literally designed their weapons to be used in a nuclear conflict with Nato because they where convinced, that one is inevitable. I expect that tank to be airtight. The operators of that system might actually survive while any soft targets outside are getting ripped to pieces.
There is a reason for these things not being given to normal infantry - or PMCs...
I love it that Cappy has to say 'non-firing' on the tiny GOAT guns to pass the UA-cam censors. Excellent coverage of an rarely discussed weapon system.
They have increased their range from 4km to 10 km recently, which made the difference as they can not be targeted by rockets anymore.
Cannot be targeted by rockets? Even the old Soviet Grad-system rockets have over 50 km range. Or do you mean only shoulder-fired rockets?
@Rex yes, I mean those ones, as these are the more dangerous ones for tanks and artillery. The other ones, like canon and mrap, they need reconnaissance drones to spot them.
@@galimbertino4939 Even though Israel hasn't yet given export licence for Spike-missiles to Ukraine, the newest variants of those have 25 km range. Even the ER II -version has 10 km range.
@@atklm1 they will never give the export license as russia is in syria.
@@atklm1 I don't think Israel wants to get into this!
1. Even though the president of Ukraine is a Jew, but in Israel they know who this Jew supports, they don't have very nice patches on their shoulders, for Israel.
2. this is Israel's vulnerability, Russia clearly sticks to neutrality in the Middle East, balancing both Iran, Turkey and Israel, it will not be good if Russia is forced to take sides. 25% of Israel's population is Russian-speaking, many of course from Ukraine, but still most of them are from Russia. All the players in the Middle East are neutral, they stay out of the Ukrainian swamp - good for everyone.
The first deployment of thermobaric weapons was during the siege of Sevastopol in WW2. The Germans dropped barrel bombs via Stuka dive bomber onto Soviet positions outside the city. The Soviets sent a strongly worded communication to German high command informing them that the Soviet Union would break out its stocks of poison gas if the Germans ever used those bombs again. The Germans decided that they did not want to be fighting in a toxic environment.
Got any links of that?
No because "trust me Bro"
In Crimea in WWII, both at its conquest and during its defense, the Romanians were a notable involvement. My grandfather was in the 2nd Romanian Mountain Division. After ending its involvement in the conquest of Crimea, this division conquered Nalchik on its own, the furthest Axis advance on the Eastern Front. My grandfather told me a story resembling with yours: There was a big corn field with many Soviet soldiers hiding in it, some able bodied and ready to fight, other of them being wounded. An SS battalion used flame throwers and set ablaze all that corn field. Hours later, the Soviets transmitted through big loudspeakers that if this tactic will be ever used again, they will dump poisonous gas on the Axis positions.
@@FlorinSutu Considering the degree of swinery the germans and russians cooked up for eachother, that sounds like an old wives tale.
ironcially if that is true the Nazis where actually more reasonable then the US is about such matters.
A correction: the MOAB is not a thermobaric bomb. It's in the heaviest class of conventional bombs, hence the MO ("massive ordinance") designator. Thermobarics like the BLU-82 don't carry much explosive, just aerosolized fuel that needs to mix with air to become explosive.
.........SO,THERE WAS A MENTIONING MORE THAN A 10 YEARS AGO....ABOUT RUSSIANS MADE THEIR BLU-82 THAT WAS 4 TIMES MORE STRONGER THAN MOAB SO THEY CALLED IN "FATHER OF ALL BOMBS"
........ACTUALLY IT'S PRETTY MUCH ANXIOUS ABOUT MAYBE THEY'LL ALSO START TO DEPLOY THEM
Russia has guided munitions for their mlrs systems and for the 6inch and 8inch howitzers
The reason the TOS has such a short range is because it has far heavier warheads on a relatively small rocket, this allows big boom while being easily transportable and cheap.
The fact that the launcher is a tank allows it to get very close to the target with relatively low danger.
This is a very smart type of system and there are multiple advantages.
The system is also very simple to operate and can very easily be converter to a robot, you set it the target, it automatically uses GPS to drive to the fire position, it fires and then it returns.
These advantages mean other armies might want to invest in such a weapon system in the future. It can also work on a naval version, on a big drone boat designed to strike before a landing operation, limiting any risk to your own soldiers and at the same time delivering multiple times the payload of a long range system.
Wow, so many armchair engineers today.
@@occamraiser They've got ideas going for them at least, you only have complaints.
That's just what we need, drone tanks with thermobaric weapons.
@@ladeao1552 we aren’t too far away from coordinated drone armies and swarms. Its the new space race
It really doesn't matter that it is a tank because the ammunition is heavily exposed. There is no real advantage, which is why most armies don't do this. Long-range, light mlrs is the best way to invest
So basically this is a Max level katyusha.
One they do maintenance on apparently. That's a radical new idea.
Can’t wait for them to be added to warthunder
History repeats itself Nazy get destroyed again by Russians
No, descendents of Katyusha are BM-21 Grad and BM-27 Uragan
This happens when u upgrade shovel so much it becomes mini nuke.
There's tons of footage of the TOS-1 strafing treelines and trenches. Leaving behind burnt corpses. I saw one man literally blown out of the treeline. If this thing makes it to your position. You are done for.
Yep, no amount of digging in will save you from this.
@@bubbajones6907 digging your own grave indeed.
I also saw it last year in the spring, where a man flew into space. It was horrible...
@@spartanrating8210that is powerful weapon, but that not scary like when some quiet drone drop RPG-7 grenade on shoulder in night 😮
@@userAS456 Oh yeah I think I saw that one too.
SPLAATT
horrible
Im wondering if thermobaric warheads could be used to clear areas with anti tank mines since their pressure is so high that they should be able to trigger those mines.
That would be serious overkill.
The current option the MICLIC just throws ropes of c4
Yes there was a idea to create a thermobaric mine sweeper on m113 cassie by the United States
This would not trigger magnetic mines
Minefields are usually coverd by observer post that can call in precise artillery support on stuck tanks or mine clearing vehicles, a swift deployment of 2 of those that could clear 400x800m minefields to clear a path for an armoured batallion trying to get behind the defense line and attack from the rear might be worthwhile if they could trigger anti tank mines
Hello!
I am native of Donetsk city and I want to make one point. On 8:42 it's not the explosion of TOS-1/1A/2. It is detonation of ammunition in the air - I know it, because I was in the house on the right side of the video at this moment (Yes, I live there and seeing this video again has triggered me). According to official Russian sources, it's an explosion of 155mm projectile (shell? idk how is it being written in English, sry) shot from Caesar french howtizer. Also, as far as I remeber, Russian army doesn't have shells which'll detonate in the air to cover larger area with shrapnel (for those, who'll say that Russian army is striking the cities under its control).
It's not a propaganda or inciting national or political strife comment - only clarification of information from the video, please let's refrain from aggressive comments in any direction, regardless of political views. Thank you!
Just remember, it's only a crime if you lose.
Losing is the only crime.
indeed.. US prove it.
Every time this weapon system is mentioned, I always imagine the Russian commander saying something like: "Igor, get Buratino."
Thanks!
I think the best example of the stretching grey area of the definition of a military target is best defined by Iserali strikes in Gaza a few years ago(I think it was 2019?) Where they claimed to not have targeted civillian buildings and infrastructure with bomb strikes, but the militant's tunnels beneath them.
That's an Israel moment if ever I've heard
Or Jamie O'Shea in Yugoslavia calling civilians "collateral damage"
Militants really knew what they were doing, right? Put weapons to places were civilians live. In western countries there are laws against that kind of actions, but what would terrorists care about civilians or suffering caused to them because of their actions.
By the way, did you know that Soviets tought the tactic to Syrians during Yom Kippur War as Syrians were being overrun by IDF. PLO adapted that tactic as well as civilian casualties are very beneficial or should we say crucial to their cause.
@@nipe2121 yes they do. god willing to those fighting the Israeli occupation. Can only hope we’d be as tenacious if we were in the Palestinians shoes fighting an decades long occupation. As American as apple pie.
@@nipe2121 Ahh now it makes sense that when the West goes to war they fist thing we target is the Civ. Infrastructure...
Correction: Neither the BLU-43 Daisy Cutter nor the GBU-83 Mother of All Bombs are thermobaric weapons. We have however fielded limited units of the CBU-55 and CBU-72 in Vietnam , a few hundred remaining CBU-72 in Desert Storm before partially retiring the idea in the 90's, put I think a one-off warhead into Tora Bora, and have specific variants of the Hellfire II missile and 40mm grenade with thermobaric charges. We also employed this Russian TOS system imported into Iraq in the second Battle of Fallujah against ISIS.
Tos-1a Solntsepyok. Buratino is the older model. It was called Buratino/Pinocchio, because of the tip of the rockets, the detonators.
I was puzzled when I encountered the term "heavy flames thrower" systems in Russian reports of the conflict. I initially thought it was an error from the translater. But now I understand.
Someone explained in another comment that it is due to the difference between Russian and English. I dont speak Russian but this would be something that probably could only be proprely explaning by someone who do.
The subtle difference of "flame, thrower" and the tool known as a "flamethrower." lol.
Current American FAE munitions include the following:
BLU-73 FAE I
BLU-95 500 lb (230 kg) (FAE-II)
BLU-96 2,000 lb (910 kg) (FAE-II)
CBU-72 FAE I
AGM-114 Hellfire missile
XM1060 grenade
SMAW-NE round for rocket launcher
Ruski bots hard at work tryna deflect to the US in a video having nothing to do with US lol.
Few clarifications....When UKR, in breach of Geneva convention, uses buildings and settlements for cover and fire positions, TOS comes in handy. When mentioning 7000 civ casualties in Grozni, just remember 1.6 million of Iraqis of wich 300.000 were kids... or 4 million Vietnamese of wich million were kids.
This is different. Anglo-Saxons can kill children because they are the superior race.
Center part of Bakhmut? Nah they captured ALL of Bakhmut
They are still coping with it.
Over 100 thousand dead orcs to take a ruin.
Ukraine just started probing attacks with countoffensive and already taken 1.4 kilometers in 1 day
Its called Artemovsk now 😅
Is it really capturing something if there's basically nothing left?
That's like shooting someone in the head and calling it a kidnapping because you're still in possession of the body
@@1stCallipostle its about the Denazification/demilitarization of the Ukraine military. Just like you said 🤣 there is nothing left, no more Ukrainian Bandera boys there left to grind down in that city. Mission complete, to the next city..
3:27 the voiceover is correct, referencing the ww2 Sevastopol siege, but the wiki cutout is from the Crimean war, not the ww2 Sevastopol siege. Probably the editor blamoed it together real quick just looking up "Sevastopol siege" and called it a day. In fact i notice theres alot of mistakes better or worse in ur vids. I respect editors immensely and yours do a great job on the aesthetics, but the information on the screen is just off at times.
Saying that the oxygen sucking effect adds to the destructive power is like saying that sound of the gunshot adds to the destruction of the bullet.
The only upside of using oxygen from the air is that the weapon does not need to carry its oxidizer, but that means the weapon has to make a close to stoichiometric mix with air for the explosion. This is not very ideal because only about 20% of the air is oxygen, so the rest of the air would consume energy to heat up. That means that these explosion are cooler, and less powerful compared to using high efficiency oxidizers. (this creates a non-trivial trade-off)
The vacuum is created by the explosion over-expanding (nothing to do with oxygen). Anything which can create lots of hot gas and cool it quickly can create a vacuum effect. The cooling is caused by the very fast expansion of the explosion. This weapon tend to heat up very large amount of air instead of just creating hot gas like more conventional explosives. This largely enhances the vacuum effect.
It's the vacuum it creates, and the ability to breathe. It is not remotely comparable to to a gunshot.
This kid comparing gunshots and vacuum bombs effect. 😱😂
You cant breath in the area of vaccum you dumbo.. there is no air(oxygen) to gasp because all of them has been exploded. Idk if it can explode your lungs also.
Thanks for the generous dose of engineering mythbusting. The amount of illiteracy amongst the media and various military tech pseudo-experts is absolutely cringe. Worst part being that they proliferate such nonsensical BS, which their audiences proceed to take as gospel.
you wrong in many points but i will say this . matter does not get destroyed for all we know oxygen will remain in air wheather you cool it or get it hot
@@macpj12j I literally cannot understand what you mean in your comment.
Always remember: "It's not a war crime the first time."
Actually it's only a war crime if you're the loser.
we also burned "witches" at the stake once upon a time.
So US dropped 2 nukes on Japan, one still counts as a war crime though 😅
@@paddington1670 That's why you never let an amateur operate the bbq grill. They probably used ketchup as well.
Ugh...
Tell it to the judge.
In an all out war, the rules go out the window if one side wants to win and doesn’t care, it’s as simple as that.
It's a scary one, seems like the kind of weapon that no trench can protect you from.
You mean like depleted uranium tank rounds used extensively in Iraq?
@@caesarsalad1170 Yeah, when they hit things they only scatter dust that no civilian will ever notice that remains dangerous and toxic for years and makes its way into people's food and water...
@@caesarsalad1170 what are you talking about 😆. Go and read up on what depleted uranium rounds do
This content is Cappy at his best. This weapon was used in devastating effect during the latest Ukraine offensive and left so many KIA on the ground Ukraine couldn't retrieve the bodies and the carange and smell effected the Russian troops that officers asked command to use the platform sparingly.
they turned katyushas into flamethrower tanks, that's like something straight out of red alert
"Flame thrower?"
And I guess Willy Pete's are just "portable heaters"
Shake'n'bake, baby!
The name of the latest variant of the TOS-1 "Solntsepiok" can be directly translated as Sun Burn, but the the more meaningful English translation should be something like Heat Waive.
Yeah, I would not want to be on the receiving end of those Thermobaric warheads. Nice report as always CC & DA
Kudos to using the clip of Kurt Russell using a flamethrower, and from one of my favorite films!
There's no war crimes , war is war , enemy is enemy, dying is dying
the contrast between the united states and russia is astounding. the united states focused on horrifying levels of precision while Russia went the "surely if i throw enough explosives at it, i'll hit it" approach
It's cheap to make dumb rockets and fill them with petroleum.
You could do a crude version with some fireworks and diesel.
Yeah love the Russian mindset and grindset
Have you ever read reports on the accuracy of American drone strikes?
It’s pitiful.
We Americans were so precise in Iraq we never killed any civilians lol. This mindset in our country of our moral warfare is a joke
@@deedeeramone34 have you ever heard of the satan stabber, its literally a giant shinzu knife, so idk what you mean by pitiful XD.
The Russian way of war is such a unique way to envision warfare. The Book is also really good on how Russia has defeated every western army ever assembled against their nation. The Russians are truly one of the best militaries in the world and it is not based on spending, or tech, or fire power, just in the way the handle their weaknesses and make em their strengths the way they see things and events differently than us in the west. What they consider winning to what they consider losing. It is truly fascinating.
The secret is in the balance. Moderately harsh life, moderately comfortable. Moderately liberal policy, moderately conservative. To the extent of material values, to the extent of spiritual. Moderately rational development and moderately sensual development. Even the climate is moderate - both heat and cold happen.
@@Lercher-ph7ok Germany, Austria-Hungary, Turkey, Bulgaria - were defeated. France, Great Britain, Japan, Serbia, the USA, Italy - emerged victorious from the war. Russia, which had done so much for the victory of the allies, was not among the victorious countries because of the revolution and Lenin's decree to withdraw from the war, when the fate of Germany was already determined.
That's funny, did you forget about that little conflict called World War 1. Then the Germans almost defeated Russia again in WW2, which would have happened if it weren't for Lend-Lease from the West. Then there was the Cold War. As far as losing to non-Western countries- Poland, Finland, Afghanistan..... Do I need to keep going here?
@@JudgeVandelay Harry Truman made this statement a few days after Hitler's Germany attacked the Soviet Union, as published in The New York Times on June 24, 1941: "If we see that Germany is winning, we ought to help Russia, and if Russia is winning, we ought to help Germany, and thereby let them kill as many of each other as possible." You can also search for "Prescott Bush and Hitler" on Google. He is George Bush's grandfather. If American elites didn't nourish Nazi Germany like a mother breastfeeding, there wouldn't have been a World War II and tens of millions of corpses. There is a popular misconception in the US that America alone defeated Hitler. Well, to tell the truth, America did emerge with the greatest gain as a result of the destruction of Europe and the USSR.
the idea that Russia have problem with precision munitions is ridiculous
When a military attacks a city full of civilians, the civilians are not collateral damage. They are the target. That's just as true in Aleppo as in Hiroshima.
Can you imagine if Israel used these in Gaza? Where are the protests? The world is silent!
Hiroshima was packed full of military targets. If they hadn't built them in the city, it wouldn't have been targeted. Yeah, I know, learning history is just soooo hard.
@@nobodyspecial4702
Yup, when I read about that I was actually shocked about it!! At first I thought the US did it to flex their power, but after learning there was a high value target. Honestly if you built military object of any kind in coty...city.... expect your city being targeted for that reason.
@@nobodyspecial4702 Yup, a shame there were a lot more of civilian targets in the region, comes with the territory.
That is what every military does and why their opposition occupies those cities. They call it urban warfare.
The new generation of the Brotherhood's Flame Tank looks lethal
Which brotherhood would that be ?
@@XRioteerXBoyX Brotherhood of Nod
@@orderoftheyawgmoth Kane will be pleased with your answer, you have passed the initiation. Go forth Brother, spread the word. The rise of the brotherhood will happen once again. This time, the GDI forces will be dealt with once and for all. All hail Kane!
Great report tks
In WW2 the RAF used the 10 ton "Tallboy" bomb,against the Tirpitz and the Bielefeld viaduct,dropped by the Lancaster.
.......I SLIGHTLY REMEMBER THAT AT END OF 2000'S RUSSIANS CREATED AND TESTED SO CALLED "FATHER OF ALL BOMBS" WHICH WAS THERMOBARIC EQUIVALENT OF 44 TONS OF TNT
.....GOODNESS GRACIOUS THAT THEY DIDNT WENT COMPLETELY NUTS TO ALSO DEPLOY THEM
Even if the civilian casualty figures are correct, it's still less than civilian casualties in a couple of Japanese cities. So it is not the US to blame someone for possible civilian losses.
Which is still less than the number of civs that would have died if a ground invasion of Japan was done
@@wesworld98 which is still less than the number of civs that would have died if the US stopped sticking their nose in other people's neighborhoods and sanctioning everyone in sight for not being gay enough
@@wesworld98 that is still not a good argument, like the afganistan war would be a whole lot quiker if the US bombed anything that moved but we at least try to avoid atrocities.
@@wesworld98 Lao, Vietnam, Cambodia, Korea, Germany, Italy, Syria, Iraq, Palastine?
@@wesworld98 Is it though? I know that's the conventional wisdom we all believe because that's what we're told every time the subject comes up, but indiscriminately wiping out two entire cities tells me otherwise. Would nuking Baghdad have fewer overall civilian casualties? What about nuking Kiev?
13:46 "TOS-1A Solovepsky" - nailed it
I am certain that if a was in an entrenched position, and the enemy told me that they would use this weapon on me, I would retreat or surrender.......what a nightmare!
Works great, rockets are a serious problem. Currently per target limit is about 3-4 rockets. If its got ammo its definitely a number one target on the battlefield. Will collapse your lungs in the trench if you get caught no problem.
I've liked and subscribed to this because as a news junkie this is the most informative source for this important topic presented in an interesting manner.
You put a wiki screenshot of the XIXth century Siege of Sebastopol, not the WWII battle one ;)
12:07 I didn't know Polish infantry served in Russian armed forces
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A detail I do need to add is that the part about TOS-1As not being fitted with ERA is wrong. The vehicle is normally fitted with Kontakt-5 ERA. Oryxblog meanwhile lists 6 TOS-1As as having been confirmed destroyed damaged, or captured, of which Ukraine has captured 3. These have likely been stripped for parts to repair T-72s.
Oryx is a horrible source and is bought and paid for by Turkish intelligence
for today, these systems have been created: a Sun (on a tank course) and a Board (on a wheeled course) with a doubled firing range
denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance 😅🤣😂
I'm kinda curious about what would happen if a .50 BMG or .416 were to strike the warhead carrier while loaded.
I though the same thing. The S-300s launcher containers for instance are unarmored against small arms fire and can be pierced by 7.62x54mmR ball ammo.
I mean, I wouldn't want to be stuck in an armored gun carriage directly under a huge crate of jet fuel as it cooks off.
I'm not an expert, of course, but most likely nothing will happen. Just a shell will be ruined, or do you think that when a bullet hits the gas tank, the car explodes?
That's a great idea for Michael Bay, though.
@@mr.andrew8001 Incendiary rounds plus aerosol go boom! That would be crazy if it cooked one off, it would chain the others and that turret would melt into slag!
@@Barbaroossa 54R is a powerful round.
15:30 Aleppo - 30,000 deaths from destruction of 31,000 buildings? Was it evacuated already?
Thanks for this documentary. It just shows how appalling war is. If ordinary people had any control over this, they would be banned. And countries would have nothing to invade other countries with.
That never stopped people in the past.
@@asavelakuse6865 It has never been done in the past. The people have never been consulted or voted on it.
@@W_Bin I'm talking about invading countries.
@@mikes989 Like many people I didn't know about these places. Ukraine has made them more famous. But more importantly it has made ordinary people like me look at the horror of the people and the weapons used.
And at the lies like 30,000 buildings destroyed and less than 1 human per building killed.
That is why I asked, were the buildings empty?
@@W_Bin you do not know about those places because they were wiped out by those who told you that Russians killed 30 000 in Aleppo
Seen one get hit by a cluster bomb the other day on utube and it didn’t even leave a scratch on it as it went to continue firing
Glad someone finally did a cursory on this system. It’s probably the most horrifying weapon in Ukraine right now
Every weapon is horrifying if you are at receiving end. For me it was very horrifying when US used cluster bombs against civilians, but I guess that is one of benefits when a country has democracy.
lmao, stop talk cringe
@@BojanPeric-kq9et Vietnam? US hasn't used cluster munitions (other than the AT "pucks") in a long, long time. We've gotten a lot of flak for the BLU-108's, unfairly, I think. They're precision anti-tank pucks.
All depends on how true the claims of chemical warfare are
@@chinadonttouchmyaccountmthf why dont you stop BEING cringe....
Those things would have one hell of a thermal profile, and they're big. Shouldn't be too hard to find them and document their use from thermal imaging.
That is "incorrect" if putting it mildly. Starting with the fact that Russia used "Solncepyok" practically from the start of the conflict. Saying it was engaged to specifically to capture Bahmut is pretty much a lie.
There is no Confinements if you are at war. You use what you have to win except for nuclear weapons.
I can totally believe that the Russians would be sparing with their use of TOS systems till after Ukranian artillery in the region was quieted. The Ukranians kept rotating new units into Bakmut, so to me this would explain the slow initial slog, characterised by attritous trench warfare on the outskirts of the town, artillery duels etc, but then within like 3 days (which coincides with the Russian MOD saying the TOS systems are being moved forwards in Bakmut)they managed to push into the town and start clearing block by block in a methodical grid. This to me is where the TOS systems are finally being used extensively, with the infantry essentially pushing forwards and securing cleared ground. Then the incendiary bombardment of the area of big apartment blocks kinda ended what was the siege in earnest, with fighting continuing sporadically on the outskirts.
Well presented. Thanks for making this known.
Russia actually also has termobaric bombs. Russian name for them is "volumetric detonating aviation bombs", in russian "объёмно детонирующие авиационные бомбы" or "ОДАБ"
We have them too
@@kansasscout4322 why do you have them, they're not precise and they turn cities into rubble. It's for the "russian way of war", not for you lol
Nearly most nation fields a thermobaric weapon system. US Himars do have thermobaric warheads, also US used thermobaric bombs aganist talibans in the cave systems.
When you fight in open terrain, a soldier digs a foxhole to hide from shrapnel that comes from artillery, rockets, mortars, etc... Thermobaric weapons are meant to kill everything within a certain radius that can actually breathe, it will burn oxygen along with your lungs within milliseconds.
Russian Tos launcher moves into positions, fires its entire salvo, and leaves in less than a min. It's hard to catch one and devastating to face it.
So in other words, it's very clever?
@@huntclanhunt9697 nooo it's Russian it can't be *checks notes* good!!! 😤
@@huntclanhunt9697 Weapons like that usually become controversial after intense use, that leads to bans. That's why we created rules of war, so men could actually return home
@@tomasgogashvily5350 no, they only become banned if they cause too much unnecessary suffering or if they contaminate the land. A thermobaric weapon kills much faster than traditional artillery rounds so they don't fall under that category.
Whats an issue here? Soldier blown up in pieces by 155mm landing next to him vs dying in foxhole by pressure.
Is one way less humane
There is an important difference between fuel-air and thermobaric munitions. The first are two-stage (dispersion and initiation charge) whereas the second are one-stage and metallized. Thermobaric metalized are mostly solid-state (though not all) whereas fuel-air are liquid volatile explosive. It looks like Russian TOS-1 is fuel-air, not thermobaric.
The TOS-1M has 30 launch tubes and the TOS-1A 24. I have yet to see the 1M version, so most have only 24 rockets. I doubt the 1M is still in use, due to the shorter range. The weapon system shown at 7:03 is a BM-21 btw, not a TOS ;-)
Unfortunately TOS-2 "Tosochka" wasn't ready for this conflict
I love the TOS-1A denazification device. Great development.
denazified 10,000 plus Chechen civilians. Then again, anyone who dares oppose Russia is apparently Nazi's
3:29 your shown the wrong wikipedia page regarding crimean war as seige of sevastopol, the rest of the footage from ww2 is correct
Look up German weapon codenamed "Nebelwerfer" (smoke thrower). Giant revolver-type-rocket-launchers on artillery carriages were loaded with 8 short fat close range rockets.
I've heard the first eight shots were class propane tanks and the last was white phosphorous. I imagine it was a rush job and that getting that perfect detonation was iffy.
In the experience of the entire history of humanity, only losers of wars commit war crimes.
Um… hate to break it to you, but that’s not even remotely true. Winners commit war crimes all the time.
I think he was implying that only losers of war get prosecuted, or even seriously accused in the media, of war crimes. Dresden, Tokyo and other fire bombings, Hiroshima/Nagasaki... any time prisoners were taken and the troops were given 5 minutes to take them back to base...
Like Ukraine doing war crimes?
@@executivelifehacks6747 Yep, there is always someone that misses the joke and gets all serious about it.
The author was wrong only in one.
Russia doesn't use Buratino (TOS-1), but Solntsepek (TOS-1a)
In Russia, there were practically no Buratino systems left in the early 2000s. They are very different visually. At the frontline, 99% is Tos-1a Solntsepek.
I love how you have to specify GOAT guns are "NON-FIRING" every time you mentioned them by name. It reminds me of labels on appliances that are practically screaming to people "DON'T LET YOUR CHILDREN PLAY IN THIS". Some idiot really fucked up one time and did a lawsuit and now everyone gets to see a warning label as a monument to their stupidity.
It's because UA-cam demonitizes channels for showing guns. Which is retarded.
WE use thermobarics
13:51 😂😂😂 Solovetsky. Thank you, you made me laugh.
Jeez man, they're just thermobarics. This is more likely to get our armory further constrained than theirs, ya know?
Jeez man, if it's NBD lets drop one on your house.
@@huwhitecavebeast1972 Would prefer a MOAB but whatevs, _it isn't napalm_.
There’s no war crime here. Yes it’s a gruesome killing machine but how different is it from an RPG that also kills?
Let’s not bring bias to this channel.
He was clear on the distinction
An RPG round doesn't stick to your skin and melt your lungs when you inhale it. Don't talk about things you have no idea about
@@rumatadestora Yeah, other explosives just shred random parts of your body with tiny bits of hot metal...
"Let’s not bring bias to this channel." its always been biased.
The only difference when employed by the Russians is that a RPG might take out a room with civilians, while the thermobaric rocket kills a civilian city block.
Wow that pronunciation of Solntsepek was as incorrect as could be but the confidence kinda sold it😁
One badass weapon system
''Its only a crime when others do it''
i think they are working on a version to further increase its range from 6.5kilometers to 9-10 kilometers which would probably decrease the warhead size a little bit but longer range is more desired now days so it wont be in tank or shoulder fired rocket range
Yes- TOS-2. On a truck chassis allegedly has been used in Ukraine
"My war, my rules...this is not complicated" ~ V. Putin
As horrifying such a weapon is, its no worse than other forms of artillery. I don't think it makes sense to ban it. The main concern is who it is used against
Well, at least it displaces cluster munitions which have a similar usecase and are much worse when it comes to unexploded munitions. But its existence is a good motivation for sending more MLRS to Ukraine to take it out imho.
Nonsense.
@@huwhitecavebeast1972 how is it nonsense
If you think about that name, that classification, flamethrower, the rocket-sender is more a flame thrower than the thing I usual mean by flamethrower, the 'gun' hold, that projects a streaming lance of burning flame.
The first one actually throws a fire on its target. The flame-gun is more a hose, that launches its jet from itself to the length of its range.