Canonicaly it was explained in the Prometheus/covenant novelisations that david did NOT make the xeno, just his version of it. There is a mural of a xeno in Prometheus before they encounter the pathogen. He just tried to make his own version of it.
You can see Xenomorph-like figures on the walls of the engineer ships in Prometheus. So David couldn't have created them. He just bred something that was already there. And so the AvP universe still remains plausible...
Charles Bishop Weyland ( Lance Hendrickson) built Bishop - Aliens. His son Peter Leyland - (Prometheus) Which was a prequel so... Help me out here lolz! My lil brain cell can't cope 🤣🤣🤣
The first film had a great start with excellent camera angles set the mood off brilliantly and the alien was something strange and monstrous. The second film turned them into bugs completely by accident and H.R Giger really hated it. Prometheus was a poor imitation Giger's work but Covenant brought it back a bit.
Precisely. That Ridley Scott didn't get this only adds to how unsuitable he was to shepherd the franchise. Making David the creator of the xenomorph was just an impossibly dumb move. It amounts to little more than android daddy issues.
I think the lore about xenomorph prime was built on the premier they're natural extraterrestrials and it makes them more mysterious and I like it. However, their ability to reproduce in different ways(ocomorphing, queens laying eggs, royal facehuggers praetorian-queen transformaction) and their short lifespan, at least in case of regular workers fits the weapon hypothesis. I'm not sure which one is better.
@@AhsokaMorph No reason that life cycle couldn't be considered on a undiscovered world where they are an averaged strengthed creature from their world. I like the idea the engineers were studying them and they ecasped on their ship. Also I really dislike the idea the engineers created like on many worlds. They should have just been a advanced culture that got wiped out by either the alien or predators hunting them.
I can see them theoretically existing as a natural species on a planet where they're considered ants. So miniscule compared to the other lifeforms, this was the only thing they could extract safely
@@Syberbat808 So the xenomorphs are the lesser evil in a planet of eldritch horrors?! Please, someone make a film based on this idea! A *_decent_* film, not some money grab trashbin.
I read the Dark Horse graphic novels when I was younger, before the later movies, and through those publications came to understand that the xenomorph occurred naturally somewhere and that their homeworld likely included other, equally deadly predators to keep the ecosystem in balance.
@@MRROLLOSUSHINBURGUER The first book I read and owned was called “Aliens: Book One” (1990) by Mark Verheiden and Mark A. Nelson. There was a follow up edition whose cover featured Aliens w individual numbers on them; an attempt to weaponise by some warped military general type I think.
Following the canonical themes of ALL the films, it makes perfect sense that David is not the creator. He is just another in a long line of people trying to figure out a way to use and exploit the Xenomorphs. The common thread of seeking to exploit a biological weapon still holds even if Prometheus raised a whole lot of questions (for apparently no other reason than to be mysterious).
This is true. The events of Alien took place only 18 years after covenant. The derelict ship found by the Nostromo crew was presumably thousands or millions of years old, as the engineer pilot found in it was fossilized. This means that the original Alien could not have been David's creation. Also, the engineer that seeded Earth was likely using some permutation of the black goo billions of years ago. That is the fundamental nature of the alien: a nanite swarm intelligence that creates and recompiles DNA. It was discovered by the engineers billions of years ago, used to make their ships and seed life across the galaxy, and worshipped by them. A true cosmic horror, or maybe even a "God" that created life as we know it.
My headcanon is that the Xenomorph is simply a wild animal from a wildly different ecosystem, perhaps being transported on the crashed ship for a simple purpose, such as food, ecological preservation etc. But either way they are from somewhere so different that when encountering humanity they could thrive in the same way the Cane Toad had when introduced in Australia.
Same. I also think it's a misconception that the xenomorph is the "true" form of the alien. I think the true nature of the alien is more akin to the black goo or the aerosolized swarm in covenant. It's a nanite swarm intelligence that adapts to it's environment by amalgamating the DNA of creatures it encounters. In most cases it encounters dangerous creatures or ones that wish to exploit it, so it takes the form of an even more hostile creature.
I’m glad you included the natural predatory threat of the xenomorph on that planet. That would be awesome to see if they had somewhat of a story arc with them in future alien movies
@4:20 It's been canonically established that David did not create the original Xenomorph; he simply created a strain that was functionally identical to the strain we are all familiar with (the same one encountered on LV-426).
I think the captain of the Prometheus ship was correct in his hypothisis that the outpost they found was military and they found their bioweapons, used to create biological WMD's, AKA, The Xenomorphs
I think both concepts are interesting. I like the bioweapon angle because it allows for there to be deeper lore that expands the universe, but I also think it's a very romantic idea to have the Xeno being something that has evolved over millennia and is waiting out there to be discovered. One thing I do wish was delved deeper into, which was touched on in Alien Resurrection, is making the Xeno's more intelligent, and modified via their hosts. I've always been intrigued by Ridley's original concept to make the Xeno win at the end of Alien and speak with Ripley's voice into the flight log, so that a salvage crew would find the escape pod and be attacked. I find that concept to be really shocking and terrifying that something so ALIEN could replicate human speech and intelligence.
I like to think the Aliens are a natural form of life, that the Engineers wanted to re-create in order to be able to control them. With their own mindless and controllable drones they could then use them a sort of elite army to do the dirty work. But of course their experiments to re-create ended up biting them in the rear. *Literally* lol
Aliens are hyperinvasive, parasitic, predatory, hive-social species with overwhelming physical power. Any population suitable to become breeding hosts will be exterminated by them to the last. Such instincts are highly unnatural for parasitic lifeforms which clearly proves that Xenomorphs are constructed bioweapon.
Fun Fact! The Movie Pitch Black was supposed to be Cannon within the Alien Franchise. It was supposed to be set on the home planet of the Xenomorph and showcased their natural environment and why they're "blind" and the creatures were meant to be Xenos
In Alien Bloodlines it’s heavily insinuated they are a primordial and ancient race or bio weapon that is continually discovered and researched by young species leading to their destruction. Alien Dark Descent kinda reinforces this in my opinion when you find the ancient alien city. To top it off the nature of the Engineers and the Black Goo Pathogen makes me believe (and this is just my theory here) that the neomorph creatures that result are just a terraforming mechanism. Mankind would see it as a bio weapon because of how it procreated and it’s behavior but… I think the engineers see it as a tool given they look down on humans as inferior. All David did was continue the trend. I don’t think the ship in the first movie had anything to do with him I think that was the actual “militarized” original strand instead of the terraforming one we see in Prometheus and Covenant.
I read that old xenomorph origins comic. It was good, or at least adequate and made sense. Much better than an android inventing them about 20 minutes ago, despite the fact that the original derelict had been there for thousands of years and xenomorph murals being present at the black goo factory.
There's the first xeno queen, she as view as a god for the engineers. He just died of old age and they're trying to clone he's DNA. That's just it. But every xeno just turner into evil beast.
You might say David achieved creating A Xenomorph but truth is they're ancient creatures scattered in space with not much of a known background available.
I prefer Xenomorph origin to be an unknown creatures from unknown world because it fit the most basic kind of fear, fear of the unknown. Sometimes less is more, this is one of the case for me
I like to think that the xenomorphs are from a planet that orbits around multiple stars in a star cluster. With an ecosystem so hostile that everything will try to kill anything that moves.
Xenomorphs are an analogy for the unknowns of space. That is why the films are simply called Alien, because the xenomorphs represent every fear that lurks in the depths of the universe that goes beyond human comprehension. Therefore they should remain a mystery, such as other famous fictional characters like the Joker. They’re more of a force of nature than an alien species to be studied and understood
They’re basically extraterrestrial werewolves. No one’s ever asked the question, “where do werewolf’s originate?” because we know that’s not important. They’re paranormal creatures that not supposed to be understood.
I think that the best origin for the Xenomorphs would be to have them be a heavily genetically modified version of a similar naturally occurring creature. Maybe make it so that the Engineers found a species that evolved a way adapt to any new environment by incorporating the DNA of the local fauna into it's genome and then they experimented with it to turn it into a biological weapon by making its blood acidic and making it resistant to the vacuum of space.
AvP and AvP2 were amazing games! (for their time) - following a single predator, a crew of humans, insane androids working for Weyland and even the whole life cycle of an alien, from a facehugger to eating your way out through someones chest- were there other projects planned?
Undo undo undo, to late now were stuck with those crap movies, I think Ridley Scott should be kept at least 100 meters for any alien movies from now on, a kind of intellectual restraining order, its for his own good
Honestly, I think David was not the first to create them. I believe he "fumbled" his way to it through his research while the original source of the Black substance is a derivative of the Zeno's. The engineers may have prepared it as a weapon or used it as a jump start for the heart of life, but in the end they would have had to create it from something.
I think the author is right having David be the creator of the Xenomorph does kind of cheapen the story. Something so lethal created by human means. Would have made more sense if it was a species of its own or found by the Engineers. I am curious about Alien Romulus if it is supposed to take place between the original 2 films. I like the idea of using a more industrial future on the ships rather than CGI bright and shiny.
That's not what happened though David reversed engineered them. He couldn't have made the ones we see in the original movie that had been sitting there for centuries. Not to mention the ones we see in avp.
Bro Romulus looks like a generic alien movie where a group of people are stuck in a spaceship while being hunted down by the xenos, from what i have seen from the trailer it doesn't impress me at all. It's the same thing we already saw hundreds of times.
Alien:Romulus be like: Yeah no, let's just make another alien movie about a group of people stuck in a spaceship while being hunted down by the aliens, because it's too hard to come up with an original story and we don't have to use our imagination and creativity to come with something better.
I think the Xenomorphs being bioengineered and being a rare naturally occuring species aren't mutually exclusive. There still is a lot of mystery surrounding the Black Goo, and I think it's plausible that David didn't fully create the Xenomorph species entirely from scratch by himself. If you think about it that would be redicolous, as bioengineering is usually very time consuming and even in sci-fi takes decades of research of likely multiple scientist teams and/or university-like research facilities. That means David doing all that by himself is hereby declared nonsense by me. The next question is what did David do then? A complicated question indeed, because he clearly did something and it's not made clear in the movies. The Black Goo is very complicated, even if we take for granted that it's a bioweapon created by the engineers, beyond that it's still a mysterious substance of increadible properties. There are more questions than answers, I like to think that the Xenomorph used to be a species very different from now and the engineers took parts of their DNA to create the Black Goo bioweapon. I used to think the Xenomorph cannot be a naturally occuring species because too much about them seems to be artifically engineered, now I do see everything around either or being mysterious as well so why not both: a mix of naturally occuring species and bioengineered.
Which is exactly why this whole xenomorph homeworld concept makes no sense. It makes more sense for them to be a genetically engineered bio weapon created by an intelligent race like the space jockeys.
If you no other choice but had to choose between being dropped in 1 Yautja Prime or 2 Xenomorph even though we’re screwed either way which one would you go with ?
yautja prime by far. I’d rather be blasted or speared or whatever than have eggs laid in me that burst out of my chest. I’ll take predators if forced to choose all day every day.
Yautja don’t kill certain kinds of human. If you aren’t a strong man, and aren’t a pregnant woman, they will not hurt you unless you try attacking them
I had the comics years ago, sure the Queens had a special group protecting them. Yes remember the lizards eating them, face hugger erupted and was promptly eaten. So good seeing the comic drawing on here. 🙂
I prefer the theory of artificial lifeform *but* not Prometheus/Covenant style because those two movies were so stupid it hurts. Rather I present the idea that the creator of the Xenomorph species took inspiration from various insect life like Jewel Wasps and so forth. I'm a huge proponent of 'Egg Morphing', I find that far more terrifying in conjunction with the Chestburster or the way AvP on Atari Jaguar proposes, that Egg Morphing results in an fully grown alien. In either case it's all terrifying. Imagine feeling your body slowly being broken down, painfully presumably, to become an egg.
The more I think about it, the more I like it that they were made by David. They have a few human like features and would make sense that some of these features still persists.
Wasn't it established by Ridley Scott himself back in the original scripts etc that Xenomorphs were biomechanically engineered by the "Space Jockeys"/Mala'kak/Ossians/Pilots?
David just created what he could from scraps of what the engineers had, and from shaw's womb read the novels or just watched David's experiments its on UA-cam
I like the idea that xenos are naturally occuring things that lay eggs, attach to a host and parasitically bond with a creature to gestate their offspring into a xeno creature that bursts out of the host, but David took that and "perfected" it into it's "human" form which is what we are most familiar with. The "black goo" is just like the most basic form of the xeno. Starts out as a bacteria or virus or whatever and can effect things like worms or snakes, which is what we first saw in Prometheus with the snakelike facehugger.
Anytime you add humans to the lore it makes it instantly shit....Alien was great because this species was Alien and scary af....the whole point of Alien was WTF is this thing? Back storying it especioally with humans made it crap, and then including Predators.....just no....
That's not what happened though David reversed engineered them. He couldn't have made the ones we see in the original movie that had been sitting there for centuries. Not to mention the ones we see in avp.
The fact that David creates a type of xenomorph suggests that the engeeners did the same long ago and they started to worship it as their best creation
I like the idea of the natural pathogen, Which eventually evolves into a xenomorph, taking more or less time, along with its variants depending on the host. But eventually arriving at the known xenomorph, Dave being only an accelerating agent in that specific case.
Completly agree, ive never read the comics but have watched all the movies and was absolutely disappointed that the xenos were engineered, always just pretended they have always existed and have been slowly expanding from planet to planet consuming everything
I like the idea xenos were already on another planet & Engineers & Predators took some to other places! Thus creating weaker strains of their former selves. A Pure Xenomorph would be interesting to eventually see! The concept has always been so cool! Predators & Engineers too!
it's fine for David to find the goo and to just put it in someone as an experiment or out of like sadism or something but the concept of him literally creating them is just complete stupidity
Playing Dark Descent right now and the added lore is making me lean more on the bioweapon angle, since it explains that even their nests are living beings on their own that can absorb organic matter of all kinds (even plantlife). In top of that in one event the marines can get sick with some sort of xenomorph virus/bacteria, which isn't lethal and will only make them more tired. They are presented like some sort of ultimate terraforming ecosystem, even WY is studying them to create better medicine and terraforming tech.
I think David recreated the xenomorph. In Prometheus, we see wall art of creatures disturbingly similar to xenomorphs from ships that are many eons old. David just made his own version experimenting to make them based on what he knew. Also, that the Deacon could randomly appear so similar but not identical implies a larger and older connection between Engineers and xenomorphs…
Personally i like both ideas. They are the perfect organism, so on one remote hostile world they naturally evolved, but will also be inevitable if you seek to create the perfect organism yourself.
So on the topic of David I like to think he didn’t necessarily create the xenomorph rather got ahold of the goo and made several new breeds of his own. He more so expanded on the breeds already present rather than having created them entirely. But maybe I’m missing some stuff
I can see them being prey to something that's bigger stronger and perfectly adapted to hunting and killing xenos which made the xenos have such a high population in such a short time
I guess it was not cannon however I did read years ago a really in-depth article that said the Xeno's lived on a planet visited by the predators, this plant was so hostile that the Xeno's were at the bottom of the food chain and that the acid for blood was a defense against being eaten. The planet was so hostile that the predators took a queen and several eggs for future hunts and then destroyed the planet from orbit as they feared what would happen if the more unpleasant inhabitants who were becoming self aware ever got off the world. It did spark may debates with friends about what else would live on that world if Xeno's were at the rubbish end of the food chain :)
I think its something like Blindsight, but the xenomorphs were originally sentient but evolved into a sort of hivemind later on after fully integrating technology into themselves
I think a possible way to connect the actual Xenomorphs' origin with the Prometheus/Covenant story could work like this: The Xenomorphs are mysterious species from unknown origins. Somehow the Engineers discovered them and had been able to capture a few. They used their advanced technology and created the black goo; maybe as a weapon or for a different reason. So the black goo is based on the Xenomorphs which explains the Trilobite and the Deacon. David also used it to create his own version of the Xenomorphs. So if we say that the Engineers found the Xenomorphs and used their DNA to create the black goo we can have both; the unknown origin of the Xenomorphs and David’s reverse-engineered version of them. Not sure if that would work out since I don’t know the comics or books.
I like to think that the engineers created a bioweapon, the black goo, out of the pre-existing xenomorphs. The space jockey in Alien 1 had after all a bunch of eggs and we still don't know where it came from. And the very DNA of the xenomporphs is still inside the goo, which explains the weird mutation of the decon and how David reverse engineered the goo into the Protomorphs. However, he created even more with his experiments like the Neomorph and whatever he will do in the ship at the end of Covenant. But despite all the movies (poorly) explaining the origins, we at least still can create a bunch of theories and ideas about all the things which are still a mystery. Let's hope Romulus will make a better job at that.
I like the idea that the xenomorph is a naturally occuring species that the engineers used to create the black goo due to their natural ability to take one the genetic differences of their breed prey. The engineers saw a natural ability they had and harnesses it for their own uses and David simply managed to release what was already there and only THOUGHT he created them.
The idea that xenomorphs come from the real depths of space like the Tyranids in 40K is so much more interesting than David being the creator of them. Like Genestealers (imho a complete ripoff of xenomorph drones) they travel with space wrecks or trading or even pirate ships to other planets. The Space Jockey in Alien had an open chest right? It was all there in plain sight. He crashed on LV895 Hadley's Hope when it was still a Titan like moon. The premise of Prometheus that it looked like Canada turned into wasteland and was terraformed again was pure waste of potential.
I prefer the Aliens to be a Natural Species. But I would love The Umbrella Corporation to make a cross over. I Albert Wesker would like to Experiment with Xenomorphs.
They've always existed. There was a sculpture of one in Prometheus. The Engineers knew what the pathogen can ultimately create. David just happened to create his own version of the alien.
I can't listen to him, his voice, his pronunciation and his of words that are totally Americanised make me want to look for a razor blade, no offence to Americans, that is their dialect, but it is not a British dialect.
Canonicaly it was explained in the Prometheus/covenant novelisations that david did NOT make the xeno, just his version of it. There is a mural of a xeno in Prometheus before they encounter the pathogen. He just tried to make his own version of it.
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Canonically David, "Refined" the Pathogen.
But they say those movies aren’t cannon. Not sure why even make them if they aren’t but that’s what i heard
@@GarbearFitnessTV Hope so.
That was a Deacon
You can see Xenomorph-like figures on the walls of the engineer ships in Prometheus. So David couldn't have created them. He just bred something that was already there. And so the AvP universe still remains plausible...
And also an alien skull inside the predators space craft in the trophy room in Predator 2
The death of Weyland in AvP, on 2007, makes it NOT plausible as we saw it. That messed with the timeline too much.
@@Subpac_ww2 Weyland is a family business... He has family members. After death a Weyland in Prometheus is plausible.
Charles Bishop Weyland ( Lance Hendrickson) built Bishop - Aliens. His son Peter Leyland - (Prometheus) Which was a prequel so... Help me out here lolz! My lil brain cell can't cope 🤣🤣🤣
@@scorpsieorwin5678 i like the way your brain is working lol
The original "Alien" was the scariest because the xenomorph was such a mystery with unanswered questions.
Exactly. Not every mystery needs a solution.
There is still a lot we don’t know
The strenuous backstory contortions just don't work. Part of the point of the original was the inexplicability of the beast.
The first film had a great start with excellent camera angles set the mood off brilliantly and the alien was something strange and monstrous. The second film turned them into bugs completely by accident and H.R Giger really hated it.
Prometheus was a poor imitation Giger's work but Covenant brought it back a bit.
Precisely.
That Ridley Scott didn't get this only adds to how unsuitable he was to shepherd the franchise.
Making David the creator of the xenomorph was just an impossibly dumb move.
It amounts to little more than android daddy issues.
I prefer the idea that the xeno is a natural creature from another world we don't understand
Same. The weapon hypothesis is lame
Absolutely
Alien should be "alien"not specifically planned.
I think the lore about xenomorph prime was built on the premier they're natural extraterrestrials and it makes them more mysterious and I like it. However, their ability to reproduce in different ways(ocomorphing, queens laying eggs, royal facehuggers praetorian-queen transformaction) and their short lifespan, at least in case of regular workers fits the weapon hypothesis. I'm not sure which one is better.
*premise *ovomorphing(eggmorphing)
@@AhsokaMorph No reason that life cycle couldn't be considered on a undiscovered world where they are an averaged strengthed creature from their world. I like the idea the engineers were studying them and they ecasped on their ship. Also I really dislike the idea the engineers created like on many worlds. They should have just been a advanced culture that got wiped out by either the alien or predators hunting them.
I liked the idea that the Xenomorphs are a Natural Species who's true Home World remains unknown.
I can see them theoretically existing as a natural species on a planet where they're considered ants. So miniscule compared to the other lifeforms, this was the only thing they could extract safely
@@Syberbat808 So the xenomorphs are the lesser evil in a planet of eldritch horrors?! Please, someone make a film based on this idea! A *_decent_* film, not some money grab trashbin.
@@Syberbat808 they are very ant-like
Xenomorphs seem too virulent and destructive to be natural but then anythings possible on other planets
@@l3ftie578Муравьи трудолюбивы, а эти как трутни, только сидят и ждут когда еда забредает сама.🙄
I read the Dark Horse graphic novels when I was younger, before the later movies, and through those publications came to understand that the xenomorph occurred naturally somewhere and that their homeworld likely included other, equally deadly predators to keep the ecosystem in balance.
I still have those dark Horse comics
name of the comics pls
@@MRROLLOSUSHINBURGUER The first book I read and owned was called “Aliens: Book One” (1990) by Mark Verheiden and Mark A. Nelson. There was a follow up edition whose cover featured Aliens w individual numbers on them; an attempt to weaponise by some warped military general type I think.
@@MRROLLOSUSHINBURGUER By Dark Horse......Title Aliens vs Predator. Or Just the Alien series.
I want to see a movie of that!
Following the canonical themes of ALL the films, it makes perfect sense that David is not the creator. He is just another in a long line of people trying to figure out a way to use and exploit the Xenomorphs. The common thread of seeking to exploit a biological weapon still holds even if Prometheus raised a whole lot of questions (for apparently no other reason than to be mysterious).
Why don't they just use a gun? It's like the Jurassic Park problem in the later films lol
@@RussOlson-pl3kf Lol yup. And for the "perfect weapon" the Xenomorphs get their ass kicked in every film.
This is true. The events of Alien took place only 18 years after covenant. The derelict ship found by the Nostromo crew was presumably thousands or millions of years old, as the engineer pilot found in it was fossilized. This means that the original Alien could not have been David's creation. Also, the engineer that seeded Earth was likely using some permutation of the black goo billions of years ago. That is the fundamental nature of the alien: a nanite swarm intelligence that creates and recompiles DNA. It was discovered by the engineers billions of years ago, used to make their ships and seed life across the galaxy, and worshipped by them. A true cosmic horror, or maybe even a "God" that created life as we know it.
Interesting layer. David is just another failed creator like the engineers.
My headcanon is that the Xenomorph is simply a wild animal from a wildly different ecosystem, perhaps being transported on the crashed ship for a simple purpose, such as food, ecological preservation etc. But either way they are from somewhere so different that when encountering humanity they could thrive in the same way the Cane Toad had when introduced in Australia.
This is canon.
I like to believe the xenos to be naturally occurring and studied/ weaponized by engineers.
i like that too
Yes most likely
Same. I also think it's a misconception that the xenomorph is the "true" form of the alien. I think the true nature of the alien is more akin to the black goo or the aerosolized swarm in covenant. It's a nanite swarm intelligence that adapts to it's environment by amalgamating the DNA of creatures it encounters. In most cases it encounters dangerous creatures or ones that wish to exploit it, so it takes the form of an even more hostile creature.
I’m glad you included the natural predatory threat of the xenomorph on that planet. That would be awesome to see if they had somewhat of a story arc with them in future alien movies
If these movie producers had any brains, they'd use that concept. But unfortunately these people are obsessed with recycling everything.
@4:20
It's been canonically established that David did not create the original Xenomorph; he simply created a strain that was functionally identical to the strain we are all familiar with (the same one encountered on LV-426).
Who created them? The engineers? What about the Queen though? Isn't it contradictory since they are bioengineered?
@@fram8590yes the engineers bioengineered them.
@@alexgreen5576I think they already existed before the engineers they just improved upon them to become more deadly
I think the captain of the Prometheus ship was correct in his hypothisis that the outpost they found was military and they found their bioweapons, used to create biological WMD's, AKA, The Xenomorphs
I think both concepts are interesting.
I like the bioweapon angle because it allows for there to be deeper lore that expands the universe, but I also think it's a very romantic idea to have the Xeno being something that has evolved over millennia and is waiting out there to be discovered.
One thing I do wish was delved deeper into, which was touched on in Alien Resurrection, is making the Xeno's more intelligent, and modified via their hosts.
I've always been intrigued by Ridley's original concept to make the Xeno win at the end of Alien and speak with Ripley's voice into the flight log, so that a salvage crew would find the escape pod and be attacked. I find that concept to be really shocking and terrifying that something so ALIEN could replicate human speech and intelligence.
I like to think the Aliens are a natural form of life, that the Engineers wanted to re-create in order to be able to control them. With their own mindless and controllable drones they could then use them a sort of elite army to do the dirty work. But of course their experiments to re-create ended up biting them in the rear. *Literally* lol
Aliens are hyperinvasive, parasitic, predatory, hive-social species with overwhelming physical power. Any population suitable to become breeding hosts will be exterminated by them to the last. Such instincts are highly unnatural for parasitic lifeforms which clearly proves that Xenomorphs are constructed bioweapon.
Fun Fact!
The Movie Pitch Black was supposed to be Cannon within the Alien Franchise. It was supposed to be set on the home planet of the Xenomorph and showcased their natural environment and why they're "blind" and the creatures were meant to be Xenos
In Alien Bloodlines it’s heavily insinuated they are a primordial and ancient race or bio weapon that is continually discovered and researched by young species leading to their destruction. Alien Dark Descent kinda reinforces this in my opinion when you find the ancient alien city. To top it off the nature of the Engineers and the Black Goo Pathogen makes me believe (and this is just my theory here) that the neomorph creatures that result are just a terraforming mechanism. Mankind would see it as a bio weapon because of how it procreated and it’s behavior but… I think the engineers see it as a tool given they look down on humans as inferior. All David did was continue the trend. I don’t think the ship in the first movie had anything to do with him I think that was the actual “militarized” original strand instead of the terraforming one we see in Prometheus and Covenant.
I read that old xenomorph origins comic. It was good, or at least adequate and made sense. Much better than an android inventing them about 20 minutes ago, despite the fact that the original derelict had been there for thousands of years and xenomorph murals being present at the black goo factory.
There's the first xeno queen, she as view as a god for the engineers. He just died of old age and they're trying to clone he's DNA. That's just it. But every xeno just turner into evil beast.
The first one as Smart, could interact and just exist without anything. Just a PRIME form of life.
You might say David achieved creating A Xenomorph but truth is they're ancient creatures scattered in space with not much of a known background available.
Where have you read the FACT they're scattered in space?
@@ANJIN-p4qit’s a fact
The amount of vocal fry
Never heard a dude sound so much like a valley girl before.
The unknown is way more scary than man made.
I prefer Xenomorph origin to be an unknown creatures from unknown world because it fit the most basic kind of fear, fear of the unknown. Sometimes less is more, this is one of the case for me
I think David simply, "Re-created", the xenomorphs. They pre-existed his, "Research". Great video.
Adds to the idea that David cannot create things
I like the idea of the Xenomorphs being a naturally evolved species that acts as the galaxy's equalizer. They are the Fermi's paradox incarnate.
Remind me not to make it a vacation destination ...
Unless you are a predator
What are you talking about? That's the best spot for politicians and billionaires
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I agree i was there
I like to think that the xenomorphs are from a planet that orbits around multiple stars in a star cluster. With an ecosystem so hostile that everything will try to kill anything that moves.
Xenomorphs are an analogy for the unknowns of space. That is why the films are simply called Alien, because the xenomorphs represent every fear that lurks in the depths of the universe that goes beyond human comprehension. Therefore they should remain a mystery, such as other famous fictional characters like the Joker. They’re more of a force of nature than an alien species to be studied and understood
They’re basically extraterrestrial werewolves. No one’s ever asked the question, “where do werewolf’s originate?” because we know that’s not important. They’re paranormal creatures that not supposed to be understood.
I think that the best origin for the Xenomorphs would be to have them be a heavily genetically modified version of a similar naturally occurring creature. Maybe make it so that the Engineers found a species that evolved a way adapt to any new environment by incorporating the DNA of the local fauna into it's genome and then they experimented with it to turn it into a biological weapon by making its blood acidic and making it resistant to the vacuum of space.
Much better than the Prometheus Line, Aliens and AvP from the Comics had so much RPG potential for a Game, to sad the Project was canceled.
AvP and AvP2 were amazing games! (for their time) - following a single predator, a crew of humans, insane androids working for Weyland and even the whole life cycle of an alien, from a facehugger to eating your way out through someones chest- were there other projects planned?
I wish there was an undo button for Prometheus and Covenant...
Undo undo undo, to late now were stuck with those crap movies, I think Ridley Scott should be kept at least 100 meters for any alien movies from now on, a kind of intellectual restraining order, its for his own good
He's a drunk I saw an interview with him and the bloke who played David Ripley was shit faced he had no idea what was going on
And resurrection.
Undo humanity. Undo life
Both were shite
They blew it up in the books
And im all for that
100% agree, as a Xenomorph fan the species is far better as evolution than created by some other race.
Honestly, I think David was not the first to create them. I believe he "fumbled" his way to it through his research while the original source of the Black substance is a derivative of the Zeno's. The engineers may have prepared it as a weapon or used it as a jump start for the heart of life, but in the end they would have had to create it from something.
I think the author is right having David be the creator of the Xenomorph does kind of cheapen the story. Something so lethal created by human means. Would have made more sense if it was a species of its own or found by the Engineers. I am curious about Alien Romulus if it is supposed to take place between the original 2 films. I like the idea of using a more industrial future on the ships rather than CGI bright and shiny.
That's not what happened though David reversed engineered them. He couldn't have made the ones we see in the original movie that had been sitting there for centuries. Not to mention the ones we see in avp.
Bro Romulus looks like a generic alien movie where a group of people are stuck in a spaceship while being hunted down by the xenos, from what i have seen from the trailer it doesn't impress me at all.
It's the same thing we already saw hundreds of times.
I would hate to run into their natural predators on that planet..
Should make a alien movie where humans crash on the alien homeworld. Call it ALIEN: PRIME
That would be nuts
Alien:Romulus be like: Yeah no, let's just make another alien movie about a group of people stuck in a spaceship while being hunted down by the aliens, because it's too hard to come up with an original story and we don't have to use our imagination and creativity to come with something better.
@@notyourdaddude1957 yup laziness is one of the problems in hollywood.
Then it would be a Riddick movie lol
@@kevdavis6071 maybe if you were directing it lol.
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I think the Xenomorphs being bioengineered and being a rare naturally occuring species aren't mutually exclusive.
There still is a lot of mystery surrounding the Black Goo, and I think it's plausible that David didn't fully create the Xenomorph species entirely from scratch by himself. If you think about it that would be redicolous, as bioengineering is usually very time consuming and even in sci-fi takes decades of research of likely multiple scientist teams and/or university-like research facilities. That means David doing all that by himself is hereby declared nonsense by me. The next question is what did David do then? A complicated question indeed, because he clearly did something and it's not made clear in the movies. The Black Goo is very complicated, even if we take for granted that it's a bioweapon created by the engineers, beyond that it's still a mysterious substance of increadible properties.
There are more questions than answers, I like to think that the Xenomorph used to be a species very different from now and the engineers took parts of their DNA to create the Black Goo bioweapon. I used to think the Xenomorph cannot be a naturally occuring species because too much about them seems to be artifically engineered, now I do see everything around either or being mysterious as well so why not both: a mix of naturally occuring species and bioengineered.
The way your voice dips and rises at the end of your statements is head-melting.
What a great movie....."Xenomorph Prime"........Ill be the first to buy shares in the movie.....Id finance it myself if I could!
David didn’t create them he just created his perfect version of them .
Doesn't seem like a particularly well thought out ecosystem.
Which is exactly why this whole xenomorph homeworld concept makes no sense. It makes more sense for them to be a genetically engineered bio weapon created by an intelligent race like the space jockeys.
If you no other choice but had to choose between being dropped in 1 Yautja Prime or 2 Xenomorph even though we’re screwed either way which one would you go with ?
yautja prime by far. I’d rather be blasted or speared or whatever than have eggs laid in me that burst out of my chest. I’ll take predators if forced to choose all day every day.
1. Definitely would hang out with the Yautja. Seems like chill dudes.
Yautja don’t kill certain kinds of human. If you aren’t a strong man, and aren’t a pregnant woman, they will not hurt you unless you try attacking them
Great stuff.Thx for the information.Supscibed Bro!
I had the comics years ago, sure the Queens had a special group protecting them. Yes remember the lizards eating them, face hugger erupted and was promptly eaten. So good seeing the comic drawing on here. 🙂
I prefer the idea of them being engineered on a unknown planet and them just taking over
I prefer it to be a natural specie. It fits better the story told in Alien 1 and 2. And keeping a mystery is better.
I prefer the theory of artificial lifeform *but* not Prometheus/Covenant style because those two movies were so stupid it hurts.
Rather I present the idea that the creator of the Xenomorph species took inspiration from various insect life like Jewel Wasps and so forth. I'm a huge proponent of 'Egg Morphing', I find that far more terrifying in conjunction with the Chestburster or the way AvP on Atari Jaguar proposes, that Egg Morphing results in an fully grown alien. In either case it's all terrifying. Imagine feeling your body slowly being broken down, painfully presumably, to become an egg.
The more I think about it, the more I like it that they were made by David. They have a few human like features and would make sense that some of these features still persists.
Wasn't it established by Ridley Scott himself back in the original scripts etc that Xenomorphs were biomechanically engineered by the "Space Jockeys"/Mala'kak/Ossians/Pilots?
I like the idea they are a naturally occurring critter
4:22 Don't worry bro, Alien: Romulus based on some leaks is going to debunk this stupid fact that David created them.
David never created the xenomorphs, he created a variant....
@@beanbag9696 Yeah, it's what I always say to new alien fans.
so the engineers did. they are still an artificial species. this is confirmed by ridley scott.
David just created what he could from scraps of what the engineers had, and from shaw's womb read the novels or just watched David's experiments its on UA-cam
@@TheLeft-HandedPainter Yeah because if protomorph is a prototype to the actual xenomorph then why he would make the xeno smaller.
David didn't create the xenos, he was just the catalyst
3:45 this should’ve been reworded 😭
😂 my exact thoughts
Its good as it is dont be soo sensitive its about aliens not nicks.
@@galax-zee3080 I ain't being sensitive like saying "KYS" or any of that just just worded so wrong bro.
@@galax-zee3080 alright sir, you wouldn’t say that in real life to any black man
@@DistortedDebaser why is it worded soo wrong because it hurts you? Because the first thing when you hear blacks means racism.
I like the idea that xenos are naturally occuring things that lay eggs, attach to a host and parasitically bond with a creature to gestate their offspring into a xeno creature that bursts out of the host, but David took that and "perfected" it into it's "human" form which is what we are most familiar with.
The "black goo" is just like the most basic form of the xeno. Starts out as a bacteria or virus or whatever and can effect things like worms or snakes, which is what we first saw in Prometheus with the snakelike facehugger.
Man,people take this shit far to effing serious.
Agree 😂
they really do. The whole lore of this franchise is so confusing i dont know how people get that deep into it?
Could be a analogy for invasive species, taked from a coutry to another, with the engineers taking them to use as a bio weapon.
It was my understanding that the Xenomorphs where bioweapons created by the Engineers, to be used against the Yautcha.
No to be used for the Yautja to hunt as they wanted the ultimate prey.
@@Tracks2008 or maybe both
I'm waiting for Alien vs Predator the game that will never be released. The lore was 🔥
Xenomorph prime needs to be featured in alien tv series or future movie sequels,i know that xenomorphs are created,they need to featured alien king
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It would be cool in a blockbuster, but do we really need the King if the queens can reproduce without fertilisation?
what is this EU crap
@@BonusEggs4Sale Wait i wanted to see The King Alien Xenomorph On Xenomorph prime Aka The Xenomorphs Homeworld ❤️
The Alien universe has so much yet to explore. The planet of the Aliens would be so frakking complex and competitive for survival. I want to see that!
You're gonna disagree with me , but there's just TOO much lore for live movies to properly adapt. They need to make an alien animation instead
Xenos should have been a natural species. Always felt wrong about the idea of been created by a synth. Depriving Xenos of their mystery.
You can hear the nerdiness dripping from that voice
Anytime you add humans to the lore it makes it instantly shit....Alien was great because this species was Alien and scary af....the whole point of Alien was WTF is this thing? Back storying it especioally with humans made it crap, and then including Predators.....just no....
That's not what happened though David reversed engineered them. He couldn't have made the ones we see in the original movie that had been sitting there for centuries. Not to mention the ones we see in avp.
The fact that David creates a type of xenomorph suggests that the engeeners did the same long ago and they started to worship it as their best creation
Id like a movie about the reptile creatures.
Didn't know Chris Packham was also interested in Alien comics and films.
Thanks for this video on this planet
I like the idea of the natural pathogen, Which eventually evolves into a xenomorph, taking more or less time, along with its variants depending on the host. But eventually arriving at the known xenomorph, Dave being only an accelerating agent in that specific case.
I like both ideas, tbh. Like reinventing the wheel, except this wheel can decimate planets. At least they were mostly contained on their homeworld.
Well given that engineers showed signs of "chest burst". What David did wasn't really create the xenomorphs but modified them IMO.
Completly agree, ive never read the comics but have watched all the movies and was absolutely disappointed that the xenos were engineered, always just pretended they have always existed and have been slowly expanding from planet to planet consuming everything
Xenos may have once been natural and predated engineers.
I like the idea xenos were already on another planet & Engineers & Predators took some to other places!
Thus creating weaker strains of their former selves. A Pure Xenomorph would be interesting to eventually see!
The concept has always been so cool! Predators & Engineers too!
it's fine for David to find the goo and to just put it in someone as an experiment or out of like sadism or something but the concept of him literally creating them is just complete stupidity
Playing Dark Descent right now and the added lore is making me lean more on the bioweapon angle, since it explains that even their nests are living beings on their own that can absorb organic matter of all kinds (even plantlife). In top of that in one event the marines can get sick with some sort of xenomorph virus/bacteria, which isn't lethal and will only make them more tired. They are presented like some sort of ultimate terraforming ecosystem, even WY is studying them to create better medicine and terraforming tech.
Ha that's what they want you to think. They just want to make weapons.
Man I hope we get to see some red aliens in the big screen someday, the concept of an internal xenomorph war it’s very interesting.
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I think David recreated the xenomorph. In Prometheus, we see wall art of creatures disturbingly similar to xenomorphs from ships that are many eons old.
David just made his own version experimenting to make them based on what he knew. Also, that the Deacon could randomly appear so similar but not identical implies a larger and older connection between Engineers and xenomorphs…
Personally i like both ideas. They are the perfect organism, so on one remote hostile world they naturally evolved, but will also be inevitable if you seek to create the perfect organism yourself.
the idea of the xenomorph having a natural predator could be an interesting movie plot point.
This is one of my favorite stories in comic book series of the Xenomorphs😮
Imagine a game of hide and seek on Xenomorph prime. Would be intense
So on the topic of David I like to think he didn’t necessarily create the xenomorph rather got ahold of the goo and made several new breeds of his own. He more so expanded on the breeds already present rather than having created them entirely. But maybe I’m missing some stuff
I can see them being prey to something that's bigger stronger and perfectly adapted to hunting and killing xenos which made the xenos have such a high population in such a short time
I guess it was not cannon however I did read years ago a really in-depth article that said the Xeno's lived on a planet visited by the predators, this plant was so hostile that the Xeno's were at the bottom of the food chain and that the acid for blood was a defense against being eaten. The planet was so hostile that the predators took a queen and several eggs for future hunts and then destroyed the planet from orbit as they feared what would happen if the more unpleasant inhabitants who were becoming self aware ever got off the world. It did spark may debates with friends about what else would live on that world if Xeno's were at the rubbish end of the food chain :)
In my headcannon, David was just playing with the potential that the Engineers had weaponised from the wild xenomorphs.
How Geeky, does he sound..definitely not AI.. hehe :)
I think its something like Blindsight, but the xenomorphs were originally sentient but evolved into a sort of hivemind later on after fully integrating technology into themselves
I think a possible way to connect the actual Xenomorphs' origin with the Prometheus/Covenant story could work like this:
The Xenomorphs are mysterious species from unknown origins. Somehow the Engineers discovered them and had been able to capture a few. They used their advanced technology and created the black goo; maybe as a weapon or for a different reason.
So the black goo is based on the Xenomorphs which explains the Trilobite and the Deacon. David also used it to create his own version of the Xenomorphs.
So if we say that the Engineers found the Xenomorphs and used their DNA to create the black goo we can have both; the unknown origin of the Xenomorphs and David’s reverse-engineered version of them.
Not sure if that would work out since I don’t know the comics or books.
I like to think that the engineers created a bioweapon, the black goo, out of the pre-existing xenomorphs. The space jockey in Alien 1 had after all a bunch of eggs and we still don't know where it came from. And the very DNA of the xenomporphs is still inside the goo, which explains the weird mutation of the decon and how David reverse engineered the goo into the Protomorphs. However, he created even more with his experiments like the Neomorph and whatever he will do in the ship at the end of Covenant.
But despite all the movies (poorly) explaining the origins, we at least still can create a bunch of theories and ideas about all the things which are still a mystery. Let's hope Romulus will make a better job at that.
I like the idea that the xenomorph is a naturally occuring species that the engineers used to create the black goo due to their natural ability to take one the genetic differences of their breed prey. The engineers saw a natural ability they had and harnesses it for their own uses and David simply managed to release what was already there and only THOUGHT he created them.
The idea that xenomorphs come from the real depths of space like the Tyranids in 40K is so much more interesting than David being the creator of them.
Like Genestealers (imho a complete ripoff of xenomorph drones) they travel with space wrecks or trading or even pirate ships to other planets.
The Space Jockey in Alien had an open chest right? It was all there in plain sight. He crashed on LV895 Hadley's Hope when it was still a Titan like moon. The premise of Prometheus that it looked like Canada turned into wasteland and was terraformed again was pure waste of potential.
I prefer the Aliens to be a Natural Species. But I would love The Umbrella Corporation to make a cross over. I Albert Wesker would like to Experiment with Xenomorphs.
that would be amazing
Great video! I had no idea about the xeno's creamy rivals, and I think that is so freakin' cool. :D
They've always existed. There was a sculpture of one in Prometheus. The Engineers knew what the pathogen can ultimately create. David just happened to create his own version of the alien.
Got that vocal fry
I can't listen to him, his voice, his pronunciation and his of words that are totally Americanised make me want to look for a razor blade, no offence to Americans, that is their dialect, but it is not a British dialect.
I would love to see a movie about humans starting a war in xenonomorph world.
Xenomorph prime has a Binary Sun system like Yuatja prime???? I think the creators intentionally did this to put them in the same Solar System
In space all things eventually evolve into xenomorphs, like on planets all things eventually evolve into crabs.🤫
Nice vid!