To be fair, moving in with her kids’ therapist who was also her marriage counselor who she was also in business with was sort of at the end of a very long chain of questionable decisions Ruby either seemingly did or glaringly did in full public view, which we know because she lovingly recorded it and posted it on the internet
I’m getting really frustrated that this seems to be mostly blamed on Jodi. Ruby was NOT ever innocent…she’s been so blatantly emotionally and verbally abusive for years. Just not to the extent she was chaining up her kids, at least that we know of. These were RUBY’s children that she was responsible for…no one should be able to manipulate a mother like that, it’s such an excuse.
EXACTLY. ruby had the ability as their mother to stop it all from happening. she herself could’ve called the police on jodi, but she didn’t. and not to mention all the emotional trauma and neglect ruby has put them through PUBLICLY all their lives.
I’ve watched them for years including the rest of the siblings and stopped watching 8 passengers a few years ago because of how abusive she came across to her children I remember when she first posted the video where she explained how it was eve’s responsibility to make her own school lunch and she didn’t so would have to go hungry she was only 6 at the time it’s shocking how they keep saying it’s mostly Jodie when they are just has bad has each other
This woman is a real sicko. She clearly gets off on tormenting families, turning family members against each other, and now literally torturing children. She deserves life in prison for sure. No parole.
Jodi is legitimately an evil person. It's terrifying that she was a licensed mental health counselor. Who knows how many people and families she has harmed.
She's been getting away with this crap for at least a decade and has made millions. Most of the money seems to have come from LDS leadership. The Church has been referring to her, paying her, and protecting her. I wonder how many Bishops and Church leaders she has dirt on.@@lindsayb1329
I really really really hope that the justice system doesn't fail the victims this time. I think that anything lower than life in prison is unacceptable.
The caller already mentioned that "We know that there has been problems with this neighbors house". That statement alone makes me wonder what "other" problems have been happening at her house?
Right! And he said he knew she was a bad person, but he didnt realize how bad. I'd love to know what experiences he had with her that made him feel that way
She gets so many things wrong. Love is not a gift, it’s a duty. She chose to withhold love as though it should be earned through her twisted lens of what’s deserving, when it should be given freely. ESPECIALLY to children!
Right she had no idea what love is. Love is also action in how we treat & talk with others. Her actions are the complete opposite of what love is. Shes a disaster.
No love is a gift. You give it freely. Shes saying its currency which manipulative. It being a duty is not right either because love isn’t a task it just happens when you’re a nurturing sane person
Who followed these psychos?!? We need to teach people to think for themselves and to look for red flags in behavior. People get bamboozled by superficial things like how someone dresses or if they speak confidently and dont look further into what they are actually saying & doing. We need to teach people to spot phonies and con artists. These women had way too much power & influence. Its horrifying
I agree, part of the reason people followed blindly was she was recommended by their church. People just because you were born into a religion, question it! So many LDS believe they are special for being born into the Church, because they are told that by the church. That's brainwashing, let that one sink in.
I DO NOT believe love is a gift, its an instinct.Normal parents love their children because of a parental instinct, not a gift.Both these people deserve to go through the justice system. I have a feeling, it's not gonna benefit them. IMO
The Oxford definition of gift is 1) "a thing given willingly to someone without payment" & 2) "a natural ability or talent " Love IS a gift, it's just that normal people don't take gifts BACK or use them as bait/punishment. Ruby & Jodi treat love as conditional & a tool bc it doesn't come naturally to them.
At the 6min mark when the ex client said they accused him of things that could destroy a life. The look in his eyes… my God these women need to be stopped!
He did like a 3 hour interview on Mormon stories, all of it is absolutely heart breaking. That man is incredible, he and his dad were part of taking down/exposing the SA that was going on in the Boy Scouts years ago. And then Jodi and the church punished him for that by furthering to destroy his life. He's a really amazing human, especially for everything he's been through 💔
Love is not a gift it’s a right! Every child deserves love that doesn’t have to be earned. We’re supposed to love our children unconditionally. There’s a difference between tough love and what they did!! What they did is just pure evil!
Yeah children need love to survive childhood and develop healthily, both physically and mentally. Jodi and Ruby are psychopaths who know nothing about love having never felt it or been capable of it themselves. They most likely pretended their whole lives.
@@Bakoska To be loved should be appreciated and valued, I guess perhaps like a gift, but love is something that occurs naturally and you don't have to put thought into choosing it. It just is.
She tortured her own niece! Jessie did one interview but didn’t want to do any. She came forward after Ruby accused her some of SA. The niece was accused of things like that when she didn’t even know what it was. She came forward so that people would not assume the child was a monster but rather show us Jodi is the monster. All these poor children.
These two monsters deserve life in prison. I hope the kids get the help they need. They are sadistic monsters. Kevin needs his parental rights severed immediately and to never get them back. Ever. This case is so shocking. Honey and cayenne pepper?! No. That would just be torture. She TEMPORARILY surrendered her license. The Mormon authorities who referred people to her, need to be held accountable.
Bingo! I’m not LDS, but it’s obvious that Jodi operated with approval of senior church authorities. Senior religious leaders referred people to her practice. The LDS church must be held accountable, also.
The LDS church needs to make a definitive statement because they endorsed Jodi and paid her to "treat" people. Those folks need to be located and helped. Their silence is damning.
The Mormons are not Christians, don't be confused here. Christians mean that you follow Christ, Mormons believe that their Jesus is a extraterrestrial being, this is the true story.
Ruby and Jodi (the child said “they”) used cayenne pepper mixed with honey on the children’s wounds. Chilli powder. Mixed in with honey so it would stick to the wounds. This is absolutely appalling. Truthfully, it’s torture. I cook with cayenne regularly and putting that in a wound would be excruciating as an adult. Those dear children must have been crying in pain. But there will undoubtedly be Ruby-supporters saying it was to heal wounds or it was likely only a pinch or it’s a mistake. Ruby’s sisters are wracking up the views with their weepy ‘we did everything we could, we didn’t know it was this bad and it’s Kevin’s fault’ videos. The one sister did that terrible blanket training torture but still feels she’s not as dysfunctional as Ruby (sorry, but ‘blanket training’ is not acceptable). Many disturbing examples are starting to surface. Putting cayenne in a child’s wounds may be the tip of the ice berg.
The audacity of Kevin Franke's lawyer to do so many interviews trying to pin everything on Jodi is disturbing. Just as that one witness said, people who are 'already NOT good people' become worse after meeting Jodi. There are many examples of bad parenting in the Franke vlogs long before Jodi was in the picture. I don't believe for one second that Kevin is totally innocent and should have custody of those children.
Jodi has a record of blaming all of the family’s problems on the husband and forcing the husband to leave the household, sometimes for years on end. Supposedly, it made these men, her clients, even suicidal. She seems to hate men and also might be repressing her sexuality, which is common in high demand religions.
I felt like Ruby wore the pants in that family. Kevin was very quiet and just shook his head. He needs to grow a pair and admit to his dereliction in parenting that helped create this situation. I feel just horrible for the kids, especially sweet Russell and Eve.
I’m sorry kiddos! Know that most therapists are NOT like this. I’m a musician and also therapist and this woman deserves to be in prison for a very long time. Much love to any of the kiddos watching this. Blessings for your healing.
Too many are though, folks like you should be more concerned with helping to spot the bad eggs than trying to create a false sense of confidence in all therapists...
This boy who escaped is a HERO FOR THE REST OF HIS FAMILY BROTHERS AND SISTERS…GOD BLESS HIM AND KEEP THESE CHILDREN SAFE🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻👍🙏🏻👍👍
“You use your agency to choose principles of truth” WTF is she saying, and she obviously has absolutely NO love at all. Religious speak, omg how many of these nuts are out there.
She loves to hear herself speak but at the same time everything she says is so nonsensical. Ruby does the same crap. Imagine being a child and trying to make sense out of what she is saying. I’m almost 40 and every time I see a clip of her talking I’m dumbfounded trying to make sense of it. Those poor kids are probably so confused and so damaged from years of it.
Ruby is a Pediatric Registered Nurse in the past, so how she thought that applying cayenne pepper and Honey is acceptable treatment for dressing wounds is beyond me! Where the heck did Ruby get her nursing degree from???
It wasn't Ruby that was applying the cayenne pepper/honey tincture to the wounds... it was Jodi, at her house while the kids were in her custody. I don't know if Ruby had moved in with Jodi at her house, or was living separately, herself. We're not given that information... yet.
@@rhondaalbrecht ANd I'm sure Ruby knew about what Jodi was doing, considering she was there 2 days before the youngest two were found. So she is just equally guilty.
🤷♀️ Is anyone holding LDS church leaders accountable for referring to and paying Jodi to "counsel" people? They made Jodi a millionaire! Where's their responsibility???
All the lawsuits against her will take away every penny she will die broke aa in prison and probably not of old age as loving mothers are in prison and this story is world wide they will all know who she is
@@Jace28142 They're responsible for referring people to her... they need to come out publicly and apologize for recommending her services to their church members.
The way they are snuggled up to each other, they look like more than "business partners" to me. I absolutely HATE that smirking smile on Jodi, knowing what a torturing sadist she is.
The kids need peace and privacy. As much as we want updates and information we need to be compliant in protecting the kids and even the older 'adult' kids. This is a traumatising situation to HEAR so imagine how terrible It was for the kids to go through..
I agree about the kids needing their peace and privacy. But I think it's still important to update the public about this to ensure that Jodi and Ruby are held liable and pay for what they do. If this were not updated to the public, they might get less than what than they deserve due to the lack of uproar from the public.
Normally I'd agree but from what I hear, they have been reaching out for help for a long time with no results. So they finally have their vindication and the heat is finally on the two sadists that hurt them. Jodi and Ruby are being raked over the coals and exposed for the evil they are.
Adam Paul Steed is going to become one of the biggest witnesses to Jodis' depravity and methods she used on people. His attorneys subpoenaed all the documentation and emails and he kept it all from when he got her license temporarily removed. The 5 and half hour interview Mormon Stories podcast did with him was one of the saddest stories I've ever heard, she was a cult leader and the Mormon church helped her get away with her crimes
Niece Jessi Hildebrandt's case she reported when she was age 16 after escaping Jodi is being reopened. Jodi used the duct tape, rope, physical stress/pain, and withholding food and drink to force confessions out of Jessi once Jodi got Jessi's parents to leave Jessi with her for treatment. Sound familiar? Hope Jodi never gets parole.
Honey is good for wounds but cayenne peppers?! That is insane! Never let this woman near any children or families, ever again! The Mormon church needs to speak up about why their bishops were recommending her all over Utah and Idaho! If it turns our Lori Vallow saw her….😮
On various internet sites, I'm reading that the ingredient in cayenne pepper is a powerful pain reliever. I can't vouch for the credibility of the sites though.
How did anyone attend a therapy session with Jodi after hearing that agency of truth bs for 5 minutes without saying "You're fuvking bonkers lady, bye"?
Super far right religious conservative cultists believe this stuff is good, this is just a small blip on the radar, this is going on in other homes across the USA right now...
I had a counselor yell at me and I got up and left. I called the facility she works for and she got in a lot of trouble. They're some people who shouldn't work in the medical field.
These two women treated those children harshly and made them accountable for there actions, well now they need to be held ACCOUNTABLE as well! The children need to be with a loving family ❤️ Prayers for the children 🙏
It was NOT either cayenne powder or honey. It was a paste made of cayenne powder and honey. The honey holds the stinging cayenne in place so it lasts longer.
@@Lomojo31 NO, capsaicin may be used on NON-BROKEN skin for things like arthritis pain or joint pain. You would never, ever put it INTO a wound that is open. This was done to inflict severe, lasting pain and nothing more. Don't even try to put a gloss on this as being okay to do.
I recognize this was so hard for you because you had to admit to many things you may not had wanted the entire world to know. You are respected for helping others. Thank you so much for your honesty and for helping so many.
Jodi makes me heated in a way I cannot explain. As a mother I cannot fathom letting ANY of this happen to your children. I hope Jodi stays where she is for the rest of her life and all of her victims get the justice and healing they DESERVE.
I also think Jodi is denying her sexuality which may be part of her anger towards men and lashing out at families. We will never know what Ruby or Jodi endured in their childhoods but as a counselor Jodi knows better. DR heal thyself!
I agree. I am a Lesbian and I instantly saw the 2 of them as a couple as they were sitting, touching each other, on that couch. One thing though, some Lesbians may hate men, but not all do. I had a wonderful childhood and adored my parents. My Dad was the sweetest man ever. I have many male friends and have no problems with men at all. I'm simply not attracted to them, I have no reason to hate them. 👋🇨🇦
"anger towards men" try it on a grown man with self respect or dare to touch my brother or a male child in front of me , I'll shove all that up her .....
These two are not mothers, their monsters and belong behind bars. Also, will the mormon church who helped fund her attorneys and promote her psychotic counseling, be held accountable as well?
Doesn't these two, Jodi and Ruby getting together and bringing their individual evil twistedness seem eerily similar to Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell bringing evil to a murderous level? Thankfully those kids were found before they disappeared.
It makes me smile to think of these controlling abusive psychos now being the ones controlled and humiliated in prison. I’m so relieved that at least no child was killed, they will certainly battle with this for life and that is awful.
These are people that are clearly broken and angry. This has led to their sadistic actions. Why did Jodi not loose her license permanently the 1st time she lost it! And the money they both made is criminal!
When that boy escaped just to look for food and water, it is not far-fetched to conclude that the result was that he likely saved his own life and the life of his sister. From everything that has been revealed and continues to be revealed, it seems obvious that Jodi and Ruby tell lies constantly about everything, with the ease and confidence that comes with being sociopaths. If the ultimate disaster had happened to those children, does anyone think that Jodi and Ruby would have hesitated to have just made up some story about how the kids ran away. They probably would have even put on a good fake show about being worried sick and asking for people to help them find the children who "ran away from home"...after carefully hiding the evidence of their misdeeds.
Jill doesn't know crap. She is no mental health counselor. She may have had a license, but she probably got them off the back of a cereal box. And Ruby doesn't know crap.
These women are terrible human beings.. hiding their HATE, IGNORANCE, NARCISSISTIC Personalities under the thin veil of their religious beliefs & strict parenting!!! I"'m appalled that NOBODY in their community outed them.. if the neighbor that called 911, could see in 30 seconds the child was emaciated and under a lot of distress, their own family wouldn't notice their wounds? My heart goes out to all the children!
My x husband was exactly like these women and trust me it's PURE TORTURE living in a household like THIS!!! My X husband even threatened to put rat poison in my food!!! That's how sick and dangerous these kind of people are!!! 💥😥🙏
My doctor & mother in-law discussed me behind my back. It is an invasion of no other. Took me 6 years to go to another doctor. I will NEVER trust again. Destroyed me.
Capsaicin or cayenne is used to treat wounds holistically and honey is healing for the skin, however, NEVER use either on OPEN wounds. These two women should have turned themselves in just for causing the child’s wounds in the first place.
This horrible woman deserves to be locked up for life! To hear how many families she broke apart is sickening… What kind of church would have such a person, somebody who is clearly helping to deteriorate one family unit after another…. They should all(!) be investigated!!!
Not only Jody and Ruby failed the kids. Authorities and the public failed them too by not taking the tons of allegations seriously. Why does it always have to come this far?! Why do authorities act as if the point wasn’t proven yet?!
Oh my gosh... I can't imagine how hard it is (or will be) for those detectives and prosecutors (as well defense attorneys if we're being honest here) to whatever footage was captured on house cameras... That will be painful to sit through. 💔
Who actually moves in with a counselor with their children for treatment??? This is absolutely NOT NORMAL!!!
That has to be super-unethical. She moved to Ruby's house for a time, as well.
She's not a counselor. She's a cult leader!
Probably in the closet
To be fair, moving in with her kids’ therapist who was also her marriage counselor who she was also in business with was sort of at the end of a very long chain of questionable decisions Ruby either seemingly did or glaringly did in full public view, which we know because she lovingly recorded it and posted it on the internet
Open your eyes , please 🙄👩❤️👩
I’m getting really frustrated that this seems to be mostly blamed on Jodi. Ruby was NOT ever innocent…she’s been so blatantly emotionally and verbally abusive for years. Just not to the extent she was chaining up her kids, at least that we know of. These were RUBY’s children that she was responsible for…no one should be able to manipulate a mother like that, it’s such an excuse.
EXACTLY. ruby had the ability as their mother to stop it all from happening. she herself could’ve called the police on jodi, but she didn’t. and not to mention all the emotional trauma and neglect ruby has put them through PUBLICLY all their lives.
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I’ve watched them for years including the rest of the siblings and stopped watching 8 passengers a few years ago because of how abusive she came across to her children I remember when she first posted the video where she explained how it was eve’s responsibility to make her own school lunch and she didn’t so would have to go hungry she was only 6 at the time it’s shocking how they keep saying it’s mostly Jodie when they are just has bad has each other
Unfortunately Jodi is behind the cult-ish aspect of this case and is the main petpetrator
They're both sadistic awful women who need to rot in prison until they die
This woman is a real sicko. She clearly gets off on tormenting families, turning family members against each other, and now literally torturing children. She deserves life in prison for sure. No parole.
Jody sounds worse then I originally believed, how many victims are out there under her abusive treatment
Jodi is legitimately an evil person. It's terrifying that she was a licensed mental health counselor. Who knows how many people and families she has harmed.
What I still can't get over with people like Jody is they think they will never get caught.
She's been getting away with this crap for at least a decade and has made millions. Most of the money seems to have come from LDS leadership. The Church has been referring to her, paying her, and protecting her. I wonder how many Bishops and Church leaders she has dirt on.@@lindsayb1329
I really really really hope that the justice system doesn't fail the victims this time. I think that anything lower than life in prison is unacceptable.
Jodi sounds like a psychopath, and Ruby sounds like a narcissist. Those poor kids.
Very dangerous duo
You nailed it. This really matches with what they are both doing.
And the so-called dad is a pathetic wet sock
they sound like modern feminists. Hating men and misusing their power. Only care about themselves and money. Nothing new.
Both sadists more likely..
The caller already mentioned that "We know that there has been problems with this neighbors house". That statement alone makes me wonder what "other" problems have been happening at her house?
Right! And he said he knew she was a bad person, but he didnt realize how bad. I'd love to know what experiences he had with her that made him feel that way
Oh, nothing DCFS ever cares to do anything about about, just Jodi's niece having the same things happen with rope and handcuffs.
Right!!
Probably depends on how long they've been neighbors 😢
Right, that would be interesting to hear.
The man who called 911 sounds absolutely devastated for that poor boy.
I would be too 💔
So heartbreaking and difficult for him. I am so grateful that is the direction he went.
You should NEVER use withholding food as a punishment.
Even prisons don't withhold food...because it's inhumane.
"Treat" foods, yes. Meals, no.
You would think that’s common sense.
Unless they’re obese
As far as starving, I agree with you. But no one starves over an occasional missed meal. Do we know how long food was withheld?
She gets so many things wrong. Love is not a gift, it’s a duty. She chose to withhold love as though it should be earned through her twisted lens of what’s deserving, when it should be given freely. ESPECIALLY to children!
She used love as manipulation and currency.
Right she had no idea what love is. Love is also action in how we treat & talk with others. Her actions are the complete opposite of what love is. Shes a disaster.
Love is not a “duty” either! Love IS a gift unless you are 1 of these ladies. Love is just a currency exchange for them.
No love is a gift. You give it freely. Shes saying its currency which manipulative. It being a duty is not right either because love isn’t a task it just happens when you’re a nurturing sane person
Or actually instinct is a better word ❤ love is instinct
Who followed these psychos?!? We need to teach people to think for themselves and to look for red flags in behavior. People get bamboozled by superficial things like how someone dresses or if they speak confidently and dont look further into what they are actually saying & doing. We need to teach people to spot phonies and con artists. These women had way too much power & influence. Its horrifying
If it were that easy not to get bamboozled, we wouldn’t have cults!
I think millions of people watched this garbage.
I didn't have a clue about her UA-cam channel. Just learned about her until this all happened.
RiD FliGs
I agree, part of the reason people followed blindly was she was recommended by their church. People just because you were born into a religion, question it! So many LDS believe they are special for being born into the Church, because they are told that by the church. That's brainwashing, let that one sink in.
I DO NOT believe love is a gift, its an instinct.Normal parents love their children because of a parental instinct, not a gift.Both these people deserve to go through the justice system. I have a feeling, it's not gonna benefit them. IMO
The Oxford definition of gift is 1) "a thing given willingly to someone without payment" & 2) "a natural ability or talent "
Love IS a gift, it's just that normal people don't take gifts BACK or use them as bait/punishment. Ruby & Jodi treat love as conditional & a tool bc it doesn't come naturally to them.
you said that perfectly 💯🗣️
I hope they get the love they teach!
Love, to them, is what she said it was. A internal self generated agency that chooses principles of truth. Cultic New Age Mumbo Jumbo.
AMEN AND AMEN!!!
At the 6min mark when the ex client said they accused him of things that could destroy a life. The look in his eyes… my God these women need to be stopped!
He was fighting back tears. He is still suffering.
He did like a 3 hour interview on Mormon stories, all of it is absolutely heart breaking. That man is incredible, he and his dad were part of taking down/exposing the SA that was going on in the Boy Scouts years ago. And then Jodi and the church punished him for that by furthering to destroy his life. He's a really amazing human, especially for everything he's been through 💔
@@mellowjeje135+ hours (the MS podcast)! The story will break your heart. The Mormon church is wicked and I know that first hands.
The poor little girl in the cover picture is terrified.
@@mellowjeje13does he have a channel ?
Love is not a gift it’s a right! Every child deserves love that doesn’t have to be earned. We’re supposed to love our children unconditionally. There’s a difference between tough love and what they did!! What they did is just pure evil!
Its an instinct❤ u feel when they are born
well, I think love is a gift. When someone loves me, is it a gift for me.
@@Valencenlibertyyou love your child when you find out you're pregnant ❤❤
Yeah children need love to survive childhood and develop healthily, both physically and mentally. Jodi and Ruby are psychopaths who know nothing about love having never felt it or been capable of it themselves. They most likely pretended their whole lives.
@@Bakoska To be loved should be appreciated and valued, I guess perhaps like a gift, but love is something that occurs naturally and you don't have to put thought into choosing it. It just is.
Seems like Ruby's defense will be that it was 100% Jodi and she is innocent, hopefully a jury would be smart enough to see past that
She was co counselling her audience with her partner in crime Judi on their YT Chanel, can’t escape that 🧙♀️
Yes cuz should use own judgement how to raise kids
I hope so too. I couldn't help but think that Ruby's defense strategy in desperation might resort to placing 100% of the blame on Jodi.
My heart goes out to the children! I hope they get peace and closure through all this.
Same.
But there are many many more victims of these 2 slime balls.
Glad more people are coming forward to speak about Jody’s abusive therapy techniques
She tortured her own niece! Jessie did one interview but didn’t want to do any. She came forward after Ruby accused her some of SA. The niece was accused of things like that when she didn’t even know what it was. She came forward so that people would not assume the child was a monster but rather show us Jodi is the monster. All these poor children.
Yes! And both of these disgusting woman to be rotten in prison. That’s the goal. I wish the father get arrested too.
I’ll say it again, Ruby was already an evil child abuser and way before she met up with Jodi. They were birds of a feather.
These two monsters deserve life in prison. I hope the kids get the help they need. They are sadistic monsters. Kevin needs his parental rights severed immediately and to never get them back. Ever. This case is so shocking. Honey and cayenne pepper?! No. That would just be torture.
She TEMPORARILY surrendered her license.
The Mormon authorities who referred people to her, need to be held accountable.
Mormonism should be illegal.
Bingo! I’m not LDS, but it’s obvious that Jodi operated with approval of senior church authorities. Senior religious leaders referred people to her practice. The LDS church must be held accountable, also.
@WyattRyeSway Perfectly said! Agree 💯
@@tdhawk7284I too believe that the Mormons have protected AND BENEFITED OFF OF JODI'S BUSINESS THROUGH JODI AND RUBY PAYING THEIR TYHES.
@@mikal94 that's just flat out not true.
The LDS church needs to make a definitive statement because they endorsed Jodi and paid her to "treat" people. Those folks need to be located and helped. Their silence is damning.
That cult should be abolished.
As if anything any church does hasn't been swept under the rug.
The Mormons are not Christians, don't be confused here. Christians mean that you follow Christ, Mormons believe that their Jesus is a extraterrestrial being, this is the true story.
How did the LDS church “pay” Hilbebrandt for her services?
I totally disagree with everything mormon i call them a Cult
Disgraced?? No she’s a criminal and deserves life in prison
Ruby and Jodi (the child said “they”) used cayenne pepper mixed with honey on the children’s wounds. Chilli powder. Mixed in with honey so it would stick to the wounds. This is absolutely appalling. Truthfully, it’s torture. I cook with cayenne regularly and putting that in a wound would be excruciating as an adult. Those dear children must have been crying in pain. But there will undoubtedly be Ruby-supporters saying it was to heal wounds or it was likely only a pinch or it’s a mistake. Ruby’s sisters are wracking up the views with their weepy ‘we did everything we could, we didn’t know it was this bad and it’s Kevin’s fault’ videos. The one sister did that terrible blanket training torture but still feels she’s not as dysfunctional as Ruby (sorry, but ‘blanket training’ is not acceptable). Many disturbing examples are starting to surface. Putting cayenne in a child’s wounds may be the tip of the ice berg.
from 8 passengers to 2 psychopaths
😅😅😅
She always was that way!
🤣🤣🤣
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The audacity of Kevin Franke's lawyer to do so many interviews trying to pin everything on Jodi is disturbing. Just as that one witness said, people who are 'already NOT good people' become worse after meeting Jodi. There are many examples of bad parenting in the Franke vlogs long before Jodi was in the picture. I don't believe for one second that Kevin is totally innocent and should have custody of those children.
Idk he seems like was on a short leash
I agree! Ruby and Kevin did a lot of damage before Jody was in the picture.
100%. Something about Kevin’s lawyer doesn’t feel right. Why is he talking so much? Usually lawyers keep quiet.
Jodi has a record of blaming all of the family’s problems on the husband and forcing the husband to leave the household, sometimes for years on end. Supposedly, it made these men, her clients, even suicidal. She seems to hate men and also might be repressing her sexuality, which is common in high demand religions.
I felt like Ruby wore the pants in that family. Kevin was very quiet and just shook his head. He needs to grow a pair and admit to his dereliction in parenting that helped create this situation. I feel just horrible for the kids, especially sweet Russell and Eve.
Jodi is allowed to eat like a boar and be obese but kids not allowed to eat
Good point.
That’s what I was thinking. Jodi is grossly obese and withholding food from little kids. What an evil horrible person.
Kli
Come on now there's no need to take it to that level, don't be like them.
Child Torturers. Life without Parole.
Or death penalty.
Oh yes !
I’m sorry kiddos! Know that most therapists are NOT like this. I’m a musician and also therapist and this woman deserves to be in prison for a very long time. Much love to any of the kiddos watching this. Blessings for your healing.
Too many are though, folks like you should be more concerned with helping to spot the bad eggs than trying to create a false sense of confidence in all therapists...
@@SwamiRabbiTrue. Also the Mormon church needs to be held accountable. Therapy like this is rampant there.
This boy who escaped is a HERO FOR THE REST OF HIS FAMILY BROTHERS AND SISTERS…GOD BLESS HIM AND KEEP THESE CHILDREN SAFE🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻👍🙏🏻👍👍
I hope UA-cam gets dragged into this and looses big money for allowing this on their precious platform
hearing ruby say "i'm not going anywhere" when she's now in jail is so funny
😂😂
She's in jail now.
they seized cell phones can’t wait to hear them text messages man
"and i'm not going anywhere." that didn't age well.
Nope 🤣. She’s going down!!
Gladly
Jodi is a evil genius. She may be devoid of empathy, but she certainly isn’t malnourished!
Look at how big she is lmao they had to be taunting those kids with the food!
Food doesn’t always cause weight gain. Jodi is in her mid 50s so that weight gain could be from aging and menopause
The father knew
The father needs to be charged and his lawyer/PR shouldn’t be given so much air time try to re-write narratives.
And you know this how?
3:43 Adam steed says they’d separate couples by male and female. Seems like she divided and conquered.
wtf are they spouting tho ? they are completely bonkers
That’s just what I was thinking.. it’s complete BS.. my gawd these 2 are not all there! WOW 😯
I can't believe any mother would do that to her child , they are pure evil.
“You use your agency to choose principles of truth” WTF is she saying, and she obviously has absolutely NO love at all. Religious speak, omg how many of these nuts are out there.
😢😅😅
These nuts are called “Mormons” 😅
She loves to hear herself speak but at the same time everything she says is so nonsensical. Ruby does the same crap. Imagine being a child and trying to make sense out of what she is saying. I’m almost 40 and every time I see a clip of her talking I’m dumbfounded trying to make sense of it. Those poor kids are probably so confused and so damaged from years of it.
Too many dude
I think there’s more of them than us…. 😳
The house itself looks like something from a horror movie.
Ruby is a Pediatric Registered Nurse in the past, so how she thought that applying cayenne pepper and Honey is acceptable treatment for dressing wounds is beyond me! Where the heck did Ruby get her nursing degree from???
No she was not, her sister Julie was a nurse.
Probably like a lot of people Dr. google😂
It wasn't Ruby that was applying the cayenne pepper/honey tincture to the wounds... it was Jodi, at her house while the kids were in her custody. I don't know if Ruby had moved in with Jodi at her house, or was living separately, herself. We're not given that information... yet.
Really brainwashed by mormon and that woman!
@@rhondaalbrecht ANd I'm sure Ruby knew about what Jodi was doing, considering she was there 2 days before the youngest two were found. So she is just equally guilty.
🤷♀️ Is anyone holding LDS church leaders accountable for referring to and paying Jodi to "counsel" people?
They made Jodi a millionaire! Where's their responsibility???
All the lawsuits against her will take away every penny she will die broke aa in prison and probably not of old age as loving mothers are in prison and this story is world wide they will all know who she is
The LDS Church can’t be held responsible for someone else’s choices in life.
Wasn't Lori Vallow Daybell a member of this organisation?
@@Jace28142 They are the ones who sent families into the lions den.
@@Jace28142 They're responsible for referring people to her... they need to come out publicly and apologize for recommending her services to their church members.
Their actions are disgusting.
The way they are snuggled up to each other, they look like more than "business partners" to me. I absolutely HATE that smirking smile on Jodi, knowing what a torturing sadist she is.
Such vallow daybell vibes. Creepy stuff. I heard Chad daybell is from the city where Hildebrandt lived.
I wonder if he had any interactions with her
I just can't believe the cayenne pepper on wounds... that thing BURNS only brushing the lips, but on an open wound WTF
‘I’m not going anywhere’ um ya how about jail??
Life without parole
The kids need peace and privacy. As much as we want updates and information we need to be compliant in protecting the kids and even the older 'adult' kids. This is a traumatising situation to HEAR so imagine how terrible It was for the kids to go through..
I agree about the kids needing their peace and privacy. But I think it's still important to update the public about this to ensure that Jodi and Ruby are held liable and pay for what they do. If this were not updated to the public, they might get less than what than they deserve due to the lack of uproar from the public.
Normally I'd agree but from what I hear, they have been reaching out for help for a long time with no results. So they finally have their vindication and the heat is finally on the two sadists that hurt them. Jodi and Ruby are being raked over the coals and exposed for the evil they are.
And now Jodi Hillebrandt had to surrender her professional license. What does she know about love…. Dear god.
Adam Paul Steed is going to become one of the biggest witnesses to Jodis' depravity and methods she used on people. His attorneys subpoenaed all the documentation and emails and he kept it all from when he got her license temporarily removed. The 5 and half hour interview Mormon Stories podcast did with him was one of the saddest stories I've ever heard, she was a cult leader and the Mormon church helped her get away with her crimes
Niece Jessi Hildebrandt's case she reported when she was age 16 after escaping Jodi is being reopened. Jodi used the duct tape, rope, physical stress/pain, and withholding food and drink to force confessions out of Jessi once Jodi got Jessi's parents to leave Jessi with her for treatment. Sound familiar? Hope Jodi never gets parole.
Honey is good for wounds but cayenne peppers?! That is insane! Never let this woman near any children or families, ever again! The Mormon church needs to speak up about why their bishops were recommending her all over Utah and Idaho! If it turns our Lori Vallow saw her….😮
Really wow so killing her children nothing x OMGoodnesd
For a payout!
My husband pointed out that the honey would make the burn of the cayenne last longer. Terrible.
they recommended ruby to jodi they actually need to be investigated
On various internet sites, I'm reading that the ingredient in cayenne pepper is a powerful pain reliever. I can't vouch for the credibility of the sites though.
It’s so suspicious how Ruby was staying with Jodi for months. I don’t understand why you would need to stay with your “therapist”
...they are a couple
as if she was her wife
My guess they were a couple
Where’s Kevin?
Homo 🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️
This story just hurts my heart. Shame on Ruby and Jodi.
The more I hear about this situation, the more upset and disgusted I get. 😢
Those babies, the pure agony they had to endure. Im sobbing thinking about what they went through.
And they believe its their fault!
How did anyone attend a therapy session with Jodi after hearing that agency of truth bs for 5 minutes without saying "You're fuvking bonkers lady, bye"?
Super far right religious conservative cultists believe this stuff is good, this is just a small blip on the radar, this is going on in other homes across the USA right now...
I had a counselor yell at me and I got up and left. I called the facility she works for and she got in a lot of trouble. They're some people who shouldn't work in the medical field.
The church endorsed her and paid her. They trusted their leadership. WRONGLY.
@@jacquelineglitter4328
As a retired RN, I agree completely.
I've met some nasties in my career!
People did! That’s why her license was temporarily suspended a while back. She should never have rec’d it back. Nut job.
These two women treated those children harshly and made them accountable for there actions, well now they need to be held ACCOUNTABLE as well! The children need to be with a loving family ❤️ Prayers for the children 🙏
I LOVE Karma...😊❤
Tortured, they tortured those children.
Now they need to find all the idiots that followed them and check on there kids.
It was NOT either cayenne powder or honey. It was a paste made of cayenne powder and honey. The honey holds the stinging cayenne in place so it lasts longer.
Well honey is antimicrobial and cayenne pepper is like capsaicin which is used as topical to treat pain..so it's sorta a homemade salve.
@@Lomojo31You're not supposed to use capsaicin on open wounds though which is what she did.
@@Lomojo31 NO, capsaicin may be used on NON-BROKEN skin for things like arthritis pain or joint pain. You would never, ever put it INTO a wound that is open. This was done to inflict severe, lasting pain and nothing more. Don't even try to put a gloss on this as being okay to do.
Oh my god 😭
@@Aniram789 How do you know it was on open wounds?
My guest is ruby and this nut counselor was more than friends! Keep them in jail for a long time! Praying for the children!
This guy is still hurting after many years! The church and the school are to be equally blamed for enabling her!
These poor kids, every youtube family channel should be investigated. They all end up being crazy, abusive, narcissists.
AMEN!!!
I recognize this was so hard for you because you had to admit to many things you may not had wanted the entire world to know. You are respected for helping others. Thank you so much for your honesty and for helping so many.
Sadism per definition 😤
💯💯
Wow, these two monsters need to be locked up for life for what they did to the children
Jodi makes me heated in a way I cannot explain. As a mother I cannot fathom letting ANY of this happen to your children. I hope Jodi stays where she is for the rest of her life and all of her victims get the justice and healing they DESERVE.
They sit so oddly close together.
I also think Jodi is denying her sexuality which may be part of her anger towards men and lashing out at families. We will never know what Ruby or Jodi endured in their childhoods but as a counselor Jodi knows better. DR heal thyself!
I agree.
I am a Lesbian and I instantly saw the 2 of them as a couple as they were sitting, touching each other, on that couch.
One thing though, some Lesbians may hate men, but not all do.
I had a wonderful childhood and adored my parents. My Dad was the sweetest man ever.
I have many male friends and have no problems with men at all.
I'm simply not attracted to them, I have no reason to hate them.
👋🇨🇦
Ibdo t think she suffered anything. Some people are just evil
"anger towards men" try it on a grown man with self respect or dare to touch my brother or a male child in front of me , I'll shove all that up her .....
These two are not mothers, their monsters and belong behind bars. Also, will the mormon church who helped fund her attorneys and promote her psychotic counseling, be held accountable as well?
They are psychopaths!!
Happens in some mainline churches. PTSD around those churches
These women are psycho paths !
Doesn't these two, Jodi and Ruby getting together and bringing their individual evil twistedness seem eerily similar to Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell bringing evil to a murderous level? Thankfully those kids were found before they disappeared.
It makes me smile to think of these controlling abusive psychos now being the ones controlled and humiliated in prison. I’m so relieved that at least no child was killed, they will certainly battle with this for life and that is awful.
Love is unconditional not a fckn gift to your kids
The pepper and honey paste is so horrifying. I can’t even think about it for more than a second. It’s disgusting.
Hes brave to speak out. Good for him ! Thank you !
These are people that are clearly broken and angry. This has led to their sadistic actions. Why did Jodi not loose her license permanently the 1st time she lost it! And the money they both made is criminal!
And why did she lose custody of her own two children?
@@Amanda-cn3pkthe children went with her ex husband and are completely estranged from Jodi.
she said she wasnt going anywhere....... but she did lol clink clink
When that boy escaped just to look for food and water, it is not far-fetched to conclude that the result was that he likely saved his own life and the life of his sister. From everything that has been revealed and continues to be revealed, it seems obvious that Jodi and Ruby tell lies constantly about everything, with the ease and confidence that comes with being sociopaths. If the ultimate disaster had happened to those children, does anyone think that Jodi and Ruby would have hesitated to have just made up some story about how the kids ran away. They probably would have even put on a good fake show about being worried sick and asking for people to help them find the children who "ran away from home"...after carefully hiding the evidence of their misdeeds.
Jill doesn't know crap. She is no mental health counselor. She may have had a license, but she probably got them off the back of a cereal box. And Ruby doesn't know crap.
Jody.
Who's Jill?😅
@@abelis644 Jodi
@@abelis644 she doesn't deserve to be called by her actual name
These women are terrible human beings.. hiding their HATE, IGNORANCE, NARCISSISTIC Personalities under the thin veil of their religious beliefs & strict parenting!!! I"'m appalled that NOBODY in their community outed them.. if the neighbor that called 911, could see in 30 seconds the child was emaciated and under a lot of distress, their own family wouldn't notice their wounds? My heart goes out to all the children!
My x husband was exactly like these women and trust me it's PURE TORTURE living in a household like THIS!!! My X husband even threatened to put rat poison in my food!!! That's how sick and dangerous these kind of people are!!! 💥😥🙏
"Electronics, laptops, etc. Key Words " might show what went on in that house." Did they really film their torture of the children ?
Yes I wonder if they might press additional charges based on what they find
I hope so, that'll settle the guilt once and for all.
based on them having a panic room im sure the whole house was wired with security cameras
@@alphabeyta I agree
They’re secretly together right? She comes into their family home and separates the wife from the husband?
It's very hard to trust anyone at this point.
@@Mark-qv4bnexactly
She is a manipulator and Ruby’s mind was already warped so it was prob easy to reel her in…
You forgot to mention both were ugly , typical lesbian features .
My doctor & mother in-law discussed me behind my back. It is an invasion of no other. Took me 6 years to go to another doctor. I will NEVER trust again. Destroyed me.
My own mother backed my ex wife with everybody.
Rubys sister posts videos treating her kids the same way
Runs is their family.
No? They don’t? What is wrong with you?? They are such loving parents and fun! You can’t compare apples and pears.
@@crazyHaruLabrainwashed
@@crazyHaruLa Bonnie Hollein advocates blanket training for infants and even made a video about it.
@@dellsbells100In no way does that compare to what Ruby put her kids through
A divorced mother whose children do not speak to her wants to give you advice on how to be a wife and mother.
Absolutely disgusting! Horrible and beyond sad. These babies don't deserve this. Horrible
Please guys if possible we want this trial broadcasted thank you so much
Love for one's children should be unconditional, not a "gift"
“poured pepper in their open wounds” Hopefully she gets the Pearl Fernandez special in the chow hall.
These poor kids…
You're not going anywhere except Jail
These women are psychopaths!! Reminds me of Lori Vallow & i cant imagine the things that happened in that panic room! Scary women
Why do I have a feeling that Ruby left her husband for Jodi?
More like the husband kicked her out
Nuts. Both of these women are deeply disturbed. I'm so glad the children are no longer in that horrible place. I hope they'll be ok
It will take a very long time unfortunately.
Adam steed is the bravest man I’ve ever come across. He has endeared so much and been an absolute force in setting wrongs right 🙌
Capsaicin or cayenne is used to treat wounds holistically and honey is healing for the skin, however, NEVER use either on OPEN wounds. These two women should have turned themselves in just for causing the child’s wounds in the first place.
“We know there’s been problems at this neighbours house”…..
How many kids are suffering because of these witches.
This horrible woman deserves to be locked up for life! To hear how many families she broke apart is sickening… What kind of church would have such a person, somebody who is clearly helping to deteriorate one family unit after another…. They should all(!) be investigated!!!
Not only Jody and Ruby failed the kids. Authorities and the public failed them too by not taking the tons of allegations seriously. Why does it always have to come this far?! Why do authorities act as if the point wasn’t proven yet?!
I thought the panic room was from a different call that was overlapping the police radio during this call?
Oh my gosh... I can't imagine how hard it is (or will be) for those detectives and prosecutors (as well defense attorneys if we're being honest here) to whatever footage was captured on house cameras... That will be painful to sit through. 💔
i love just rewatching the same clips just titled differently
What created these monsters? We keep hearing more and more horrific things they did every day! Just evil.
RF: I'm not going anywhere.
Everyone else: You're going to prison. Good luck inside!
She’s gonna need it!!! 😮😂