I like the off comments. Guns, golf and beer are all so subjective and 99% of the population is so bad at all of them that I enjoy the camaraderie inherent in disagreement.
My comments were off as a baby channel; I think it was due to having some form of 'advertising' (was just trying to get my buddy some clicks to his website)
Great video. I think the 5” match SF or even the 4.5” SF would be closer to the “unholy union between duty gun and race gun”. The 4” is dope. The 5” Match SF is another level though. I own mine and it’s an absolute pleasure to shoot. It’s like shooting a BB gun 😂 I used to think “it’s too expensive”. Then when I shot my polymer 5” PDP next to my Steel Frame 5”… NIGHT AND DAY DIFFERENT. They’re worth the money in my opinion. I paid for mine. No social media influencer freebies. This is a solid 2011 alternative. I was on the fence about the staccato P vs the 5” match SF. After shooting the P…the 5” was a better experience for me. Maybe 30% softer in my configuration as well. I recommend anyone who thinks they’re not worth it: find one or someone who owns one and shoot it.
Thank you very much for this review. You are spot on! I am generally speaking a hammer fired gun guy however, my Q4 SF is a gun that I so enjoy shooting that I take it to the range with me nearly every time I can. The weight is perfectly centered over there, and while she is heavy, the balance is perfect. I was a little concerned by the high bore axis, but like you guys, I was unbelievably surprised by how soft shooting a firearm this is. The trigger is otherworldly for a striker fired gun and dare I say easily matches many if not, most of my hammer fired guns. I would take my Q4 SF to a competition any day, if I didn’t have so many other firearms to shoot… However, it has made its way into my rotation at the range, and even in my appendix. My big question is what is the difference between the Q4 SF and the PDPSF in 4 inches?
I understand the concept of duty and competition mixed but for a duty gun, nobody is going to want to have that weight on their hip all day. Maybe they will do an aluminum version.
Considering the fact that the Walther pdp is the main competitor of the Glock 19, then Walther did something that Glock did not. He made the main pistol in iron. This pistol can serve you well for 100 and perhaps 200 years. Can the Glock 19 do it? When I buy this reliable iron friend, my grandson will thank me when he gets behind the wheel of my old Dodge Challenger Hellcat
No worries gents. Also wanted to note - by same volume/design, a full metal frame often even sends the rounds a bit faster as more energy and slower slide movement adds to increased total compression/burn. (Less energy being send backwards than forward as the bullet is less resistance than the weight behind it, it's not by much, but is measurable as a small variance on bench testing)
This Walther PDP SF is a solid $1,200 gun. A CZ Shadow 2 OR & Beretta 92x performance OR will have the same ability as Walther but at a price of $1,200!
I have a fullsized polymer PDP and an earlier PDP compact, love the grip, love the look, and love to shoot them. A little snappy, but a good grip fixed that. I want to buy this steel frame compact, but there were no IWB holsters for it. Fuck. 🙄
The PDP has one of the top triggers for a polymer pistol. But $1600 for the steel model sounds a little Gucci... Also consider Canik is doing it for a fraction.... And dare I say SIMILAR quality (IMO Canik stole the Walther trigger)..
In my opinion Canik has a better trigger especially the Rival or the Mets pro which I like more than the rival and like you said for a fraction of the cost.
The Polymer PDP Pro SD has a better trigger and a threaded barrel for half the cost I’m net impressed with the SF at all there is no way it’s 800 dollars better than the Pro
Aluminum framed guns run in the 700-1500 range depending on what is offered...this gun uses steel which is going to increase wear on the machines, so the price break down makes a fair bit of sense. At the end of the day, you're not forced to buy one. Plenty of good guns out there.
@@Chrisblau duly noted. I would be interested in learning a little more detail on the B+ ranking and what specially kept it from an A. Was it only price or were there other characteristics that made you drop to a B+?
Many race guns are super smooth to shoot, but can struggle in adverse conditions like mud or dust better. This isn't always true, but it's enough of a difference to be noticeable. No firearm is perfect, but "duty" pistols are something you can use "in the field" and reasonably expect to work despite environmental factors. A lot of race gun designs (IE flared mag well, ported slides, hair triggers and light recoil springs) ultimately are undesirable when used for more practical, everyday duty use. You will find these features to induce points of failure or even just simply be annoying for the operator to manage with a uniform or a vehicle. I would further add that the biggest thing is cost. A department is not going to spend money on a steel frame PdP because the frame is more solid or it shoots lighter. Departments have budgets and go with an affordable, yet reliable, option for their officers/contractors.
So many people have so little idea what they’re talking about. It’s not unrealistic. It’s a for-profit company in a capitalist society. Stop complaining.
How is $1,699 unrealistic? The Shadow 2 Compact is $1,299, the Dan Wesson DWC Compact is $1,699 and , yeah, if you want garbage like Taurus for $250, go ahead and be paupers. It’s not unrealistic, you just can’t afford it. Will someone please be honest for once?
@@filthyvibes4768 You mean the non-optic cut DWX and the aluminum frame Shadow 2? And I’M the one who shouldn’t speak again? That’s cute. You must carry appendix too, don’t you?
I recently picked up a PDP Professional Acro. Absolutely fantastic gun! Also, those who are saying to buy a Canik for less… If you want a Rolex, you want a Rolex and a Steiner won’t do it. Sure it looks the same, it still tells the time and it’s made out of steel… Still not a Rolex.
As someone who works in the industry I don't know if I could justify the cost for just a metal frame, The PDP pro is excellent. Just cant justify this one on price alone.
Damn, B+ from a guy with a ZZ Top level beard, on the curve that's really solid. I've struggled emotionally with the Walther PDP for going on 3+ years. I'm emotionally attached to the 1911, the Glock 17 and the CZ 75 all for completely different reasons. But for $600 the PDP is a smoke show. I don't like red dots at all but the weird combination of both my PDPs and the Holosun 507 with the green reticle remains a mystery to me, it's accurate and fun to shoot. Guns and golf are very similar to me, people get way into the tech of stuff, start focusing on handicap or "groups" and lose sight of the entire reason for doing both. I like the mountains on this channel, shooting outside is just really fun.
Love the channel gentlemen! In my opinion, the polymer frame PDP sucks! Mine had terrible fit/finish and was snappy as hell. Very nice trigger, but very disappointing overall. Maybe the steel frame is truly better? I’m glad you disclose to your viewers when a manufacturer sends you a product for you to review. Unfortunately, the manufacturer also cherry picks what is sent, which negates the review a little bit. Not a jab at you guys, but marketing in general.
The performance trigger itself is worth its weight in gold… I upgraded the trigger in the polymer frame and it made a world of difference. I like Walther but the steep price point on the steel frame is a reach for sure. Mind you I own 2 PDPs, a 4” and 4.5” polymer pistol. The issue is always the parts and aftermarket support… it’s slim pickings and very little info on the upgrades.
@@Osprey1994 Do you own a Walther PDP steel frame? Most people say that the steel version shoots much flatter than the polymer. I think the comparison between the Shadow 2 Compact and the PDP SF Compact would be really interesting. I want to buy one of the two. Unfortunately, there are hardly any comparison videos with the PDP SF Compact. I live in Germany and guns are generally much more expensive here. The MSRP for the PDP SF and the S2C is 1900 euros for both...
@@sorenxoo3995I had the shadow 2 compact sold it and went with the pdp compact steel. Much prefer the steel pdp as it really is much softer shooting than the cz and that is a fact.
No clue why the comments are off. Sorry everyone
I’ve noticed that on a few random channels this week. Weird bug in the matrix?
Comments are the second best part of this channel after Finn
UA-cam is doing that to SEVERAL channels as of late!! Fair warning
I like the off comments. Guns, golf and beer are all so subjective and 99% of the population is so bad at all of them that I enjoy the camaraderie inherent in disagreement.
My comments were off as a baby channel; I think it was due to having some form of 'advertising' (was just trying to get my buddy some clicks to his website)
Great video. I think the 5” match SF or even the 4.5” SF would be closer to the “unholy union between duty gun and race gun”. The 4” is dope. The 5” Match SF is another level though. I own mine and it’s an absolute pleasure to shoot. It’s like shooting a BB gun 😂 I used to think “it’s too expensive”. Then when I shot my polymer 5” PDP next to my Steel Frame 5”… NIGHT AND DAY DIFFERENT. They’re worth the money in my opinion. I paid for mine. No social media influencer freebies. This is a solid 2011 alternative. I was on the fence about the staccato P vs the 5” match SF. After shooting the P…the 5” was a better experience for me. Maybe 30% softer in my configuration as well. I recommend anyone who thinks they’re not worth it: find one or someone who owns one and shoot it.
What did you do to it ? Any spring changes?
You got me so good with that ad at 10:05 I actually watched it. You have beaten me and thus I bow before you, humbled, watching your damn ad.
Thank you very much for this review. You are spot on! I am generally speaking a hammer fired gun guy however, my Q4 SF is a gun that I so enjoy shooting that I take it to the range with me nearly every time I can. The weight is perfectly centered over there, and while she is heavy, the balance is perfect. I was a little concerned by the high bore axis, but like you guys, I was unbelievably surprised by how soft shooting a firearm this is. The trigger is otherworldly for a striker fired gun and dare I say easily matches many if not, most of my hammer fired guns.
I would take my Q4 SF to a competition any day, if I didn’t have so many other firearms to shoot… However, it has made its way into my rotation at the range, and even in my appendix.
My big question is what is the difference between the Q4 SF and the PDPSF in 4 inches?
Shot timer beep to channel promo is absolutely how you do it, never change, fellas
Honey dicked everyone on it
Reasons why Jake is undefeated in going to hell:
THAT FUCKIN BLUEBALL @ 10:05
This is the first time I'm Hell sending F!reBeard.
I bought my polymer 4.5 for $600. I love it but I definitely don’t see where the extra $1100 is coming from. Whew!
Wait so 5 inches is full size? Hell yea can’t wait to tell my girl 😎
I love my PDP compact 4" I would love a Full size steel frame for the range but so expensive.
i'm gonna get the 4.5" SF... next paycheck
That shot timer plug 😂😂💀
lol. Dirty move I know
Gotcha didn’t it 😂😂😂
Excited to see what you guys think of this one!
@1911syndicate8 I'm here for it!!! ❤️
Interesting, interesting! I like the whole concept of pairing watches and guns.
Or....hear me out....the G34 has been running in races for a long time now and is pretty light to carry for duty or ccw.
I understand the concept of duty and competition mixed but for a duty gun, nobody is going to want to have that weight on their hip all day. Maybe they will do an aluminum version.
Considering the fact that the Walther pdp is the main competitor of the Glock 19, then Walther did something that Glock did not. He made the main pistol in iron. This pistol can serve you well for 100 and perhaps 200 years. Can the Glock 19 do it? When I buy this reliable iron friend, my grandson will thank me when he gets behind the wheel of my old Dodge Challenger Hellcat
No worries gents. Also wanted to note - by same volume/design, a full metal frame often even sends the rounds a bit faster as more energy and slower slide movement adds to increased total compression/burn. (Less energy being send backwards than forward as the bullet is less resistance than the weight behind it, it's not by much, but is measurable as a small variance on bench testing)
Ya guys had me at 10:06 not gonna lie!
This Walther PDP SF is a solid $1,200 gun. A CZ Shadow 2 OR & Beretta 92x performance OR will have the same ability as Walther but at a price of $1,200!
What multi cam jacket is that? It's sick
Tough sell for a thousand more just for a steel frame, but damn they shoot nice. More home defense/competition than carry or duty.
How would you say this compares with the shadow 2 compact? I know it’s heavier.
Don’t have the side by side experience I have that opinion
Been wanting to try that pistol out so maybe we’ll match them head to head in the future
PDP compact for 525 or SF for 1360?
I have a fullsized polymer PDP and an earlier PDP compact, love the grip, love the look, and love to shoot them. A little snappy, but a good grip fixed that.
I want to buy this steel frame compact, but there were no IWB holsters for it. Fuck. 🙄
The PDP has one of the top triggers for a polymer pistol. But $1600 for the steel model sounds a little Gucci... Also consider Canik is doing it for a fraction.... And dare I say SIMILAR quality (IMO Canik stole the Walther trigger)..
In my opinion Canik has a better trigger especially the Rival or the Mets pro which I like more than the rival and like you said for a fraction of the cost.
very informativ video. great work!
You can save a ton of money on mags by buying Canik mags.
I wonder if walther regrets letting Canik make a clone of the p99, because
Canik has definitely taken a lot of Walther customers.
The Polymer PDP Pro SD has a better trigger and a threaded barrel for half the cost I’m net impressed with the SF at all there is no way it’s 800 dollars better than the Pro
It’s so funny seeing the little one be annoyed with the explanations by the big one. 😂
I don’t see a $1600 gun though
You're paying for machine and person milling steal and man hours.
Polymer is molded and limited drilling.
AMEN
@@rfd339 my guy there are no man hours 😂they are not hand dirtied like Stacatto , atlas etc.
Aluminum framed guns run in the 700-1500 range depending on what is offered...this gun uses steel which is going to increase wear on the machines, so the price break down makes a fair bit of sense.
At the end of the day, you're not forced to buy one. Plenty of good guns out there.
Right man I want one so bad but at that point get a shadow or staccato etc
Be as invasive as possible with the watch and gun pairings please
Comments are welcome
My big takeaway: Jake likes a big... palm swell 😅
Fatty grips
Grab it by the palm swell
10:05 Nice
NEXT WEEK ON 1812 SINDIECATE:
What? Is it American Friday already??
Cryspy Visuals sweeting bullets RN...
Brnng brnng!
I dare you to answer it.
IIRC Automatic watches ⌚️ don't play well with recoil. 😬
Ask your mom about my rail geometry
lol
Great job fellas
How do I post a comment?
don't ask me, I got no idea!
Good question.
@@peterlowell7963 Good answer.
Is it me or does Chris sound like he’s reading a script from the Walther marketing department?
I think my track record has shown that’s not the case with any manufacture. Was up front and honest this entire review
@@Chrisblau duly noted. I would be interested in learning a little more detail on the B+ ranking and what specially kept it from an A. Was it only price or were there other characteristics that made you drop to a B+?
Def should be around 900 but 1600 is way too much for what u get
Comment why I can
In the real world, what's the difference between "race" and "duty?" You could carry 10 different pistols or go with Occam's Razor.
Many race guns are super smooth to shoot, but can struggle in adverse conditions like mud or dust better. This isn't always true, but it's enough of a difference to be noticeable. No firearm is perfect, but "duty" pistols are something you can use "in the field" and reasonably expect to work despite environmental factors. A lot of race gun designs (IE flared mag well, ported slides, hair triggers and light recoil springs) ultimately are undesirable when used for more practical, everyday duty use. You will find these features to induce points of failure or even just simply be annoying for the operator to manage with a uniform or a vehicle. I would further add that the biggest thing is cost. A department is not going to spend money on a steel frame PdP because the frame is more solid or it shoots lighter. Departments have budgets and go with an affordable, yet reliable, option for their officers/contractors.
watch and gun pairings really ? why
Race gun is a REACH lmao beautiful pistol nonetheless
❤
That price is unrealistic
Don’t lay your lady’s down like that 😤
Sorry walther but Canik exist..under 1K for my steel frame, under 1K for my TTI, under 800 for Rival..sometimes clones are just,..better
…better? Nah!
So many people have so little idea what they’re talking about. It’s not unrealistic. It’s a for-profit company in a capitalist society. Stop complaining.
It’s cool. But it’s not LTT PX4 cool 😎
The German Hi-Point
Yep!! It’s an overpriced Walther haha 😂 not to many really care because of their insane msrp’s 🤷♂️
For that money, give me the optic plates for different red dots.
How is $1,699 unrealistic? The Shadow 2 Compact is $1,299, the Dan Wesson DWC Compact is $1,699 and , yeah, if you want garbage like Taurus for $250, go ahead and be paupers. It’s not unrealistic, you just can’t afford it. Will someone please be honest for once?
Lol, the pdp is dogshit compared to the shadow 2 and DWX. Don't ever speak again
@@filthyvibes4768 You mean the non-optic cut DWX and the aluminum frame Shadow 2? And I’M the one who shouldn’t speak again? That’s cute. You must carry appendix too, don’t you?
@@pastorjoshv shadow 2 is steel dipshit
@@pastorjoshv lol
@@filthyvibes4768 He's talking about the shadow 2 compact which is fair to compare to the PDP sf compact dipshit
Crispy, yet again. Your photography and editing are just superb. Well done!
Thank you sir!📸
That was some big A-zone steel targets. Looks like c-zone steel on camera.
Tonight on 1911 Syndicate: UA-cam officially hates the channel, a 98% German man plays with a german gun, and Jake forgets his stage plan.
lol
I recently picked up a PDP Professional Acro. Absolutely fantastic gun!
Also, those who are saying to buy a Canik for less… If you want a Rolex, you want a Rolex and a Steiner won’t do it. Sure it looks the same, it still tells the time and it’s made out of steel… Still not a Rolex.
I have some of both. I like both. Walther is the better platform overall.
Tough sale for me. Love my standard 4” pdp. But for $1600 steel frame I’m getting a shadow 2 or saving $700ish and going canik full steel
Q4/Q5 SFs are about 1k at PSA. Compact sized grip tho.
As someone who works in the industry I don't know if I could justify the cost for just a metal frame, The PDP pro is excellent.
Just cant justify this one on price alone.
Pretty sure some dude made it to GM with a G26.
PS. His name is Tony Wong, Humble interviewed him.
Damn, B+ from a guy with a ZZ Top level beard, on the curve that's really solid. I've struggled emotionally with the Walther PDP for going on 3+ years. I'm emotionally attached to the 1911, the Glock 17 and the CZ 75 all for completely different reasons. But for $600 the PDP is a smoke show. I don't like red dots at all but the weird combination of both my PDPs and the Holosun 507 with the green reticle remains a mystery to me, it's accurate and fun to shoot. Guns and golf are very similar to me, people get way into the tech of stuff, start focusing on handicap or "groups" and lose sight of the entire reason for doing both. I like the mountains on this channel, shooting outside is just really fun.
Can i get it for 1k at most? 1600 is too steep im poor
Love the channel gentlemen! In my opinion, the polymer frame PDP sucks! Mine had terrible fit/finish and was snappy as hell. Very nice trigger, but very disappointing overall. Maybe the steel frame is truly better?
I’m glad you disclose to your viewers when a manufacturer sends you a product for you to review. Unfortunately, the manufacturer also cherry picks what is sent, which negates the review a little bit. Not a jab at you guys, but marketing in general.
It’s possible but I’ve seen plenty of manufacturer sent guns not so well so I think it’s all hit and miss
First! As I’m still watching it.
Great Video Guys 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Great review Like always.
The performance trigger itself is worth its weight in gold… I upgraded the trigger in the polymer frame and it made a world of difference. I like Walther but the steep price point on the steel frame is a reach for sure. Mind you I own 2 PDPs, a 4” and 4.5” polymer pistol. The issue is always the parts and aftermarket support… it’s slim pickings and very little info on the upgrades.
A couple good watch / firearm pairings with good stories
KAC CQB / Tudor pelagos Hawkeye
&
SIG SG 551 / Pelagos FXD French Nationale
Absolutely love Walther products. Their customer support is dog water tho lmao
instead of adding more weight to the gun add more more more weight to your deadlift to manage recoil.
Always great to watch. One of my favorite go to.. waiting to see if y'all do the Mac 9 ds soon.
Way too expensive
Steel frame Walther or new cz shadow compact ?
Walther steel gets my vote.
CZ Shadow 2 Compact. I own a PDP and the CZ is a better shooter, even the P-07 is better.
@@Osprey1994 you own a steel pdp? compact?
@@Osprey1994 Do you own a Walther PDP steel frame? Most people say that the steel version shoots much flatter than the polymer. I think the comparison between the Shadow 2 Compact and the PDP SF Compact would be really interesting. I want to buy one of the two. Unfortunately, there are hardly any comparison videos with the PDP SF Compact. I live in Germany and guns are generally much more expensive here. The MSRP for the PDP SF and the S2C is 1900 euros for both...
@@sorenxoo3995I had the shadow 2 compact sold it and went with the pdp compact steel. Much prefer the steel pdp as it really is much softer shooting than the cz and that is a fact.
Good again gentlemen.
I like your hat
Jake, thoughts from a lefty on this gun?
Big fan, totally lefty friendly
Would you wait for the trijicon RCR to ship Or acro P2 for a edc
No one who is younger than 50 carries metal frame pistols on duty anymore
Idk, I have seen a bunch of staccatos here in Vegas.
Wrong.
Staccato is a hybrid...@@johnnixon2504
Seen a bunch of 1911's, P226's, and Beretta's in CT.
Thats not true at all dude get out more smh
First time I’ve seen Jake get horneee over a striker fired pistol