Push, Pull and Push / Pull setups for Radiators | How to setup your fans
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From 4 years in the future, this version of Jayz looks too young. 3/5 would not time travel again.
Fox same
Yeah, seriously. Current Jay radiates dangerous amounts of DILF energy, but here he's at this awkward point between looking young and more middle-aged. It's uncomfortable.
@@wynderlacunae268 Fully agree.
Don’t worry he has currently hit his mid life crisis dad look
Front radiator mount is inefficient. You are bringing heat back into the case
There actually is a difference between pushing and pulling through a resistance. But it is probably negligible in this context.
We did some testing on this in college for designing a wind tunnel. Basically, if you are pushing air through a radiator, the air is turbulent as it goes through. This means the turbulent air has to straighten out and loses more energy in the process.
However, when you are pulling air THROUGH a radiator, the air is starting from rest, so can be pulled in any direction it needs to, and the flow would be laminar.
This is also another good reason to pull air through filters, rather than push. Besides protecting the fan from dust, it is easier to pull through a filter than to push through it. At least in close range.
So in theory would a pull configuration be slightly quieter since the air isn't as turbulent going through the radiator fins?
Hadn't thought about that. But yeah, that would make sense. Would need some empirical evidence for it to be sure.
LinusTechTips did a test on push/pull vs push vs pull. No difference (outside margin of error) at all when dealing with the scale that you see in PCs.
ah good! I scroll down and find a bit of scientific experimentation on the matter, thanks :)
Good point, but turbulent air is better at removing heat from a surface. It's why good intercoolers on cars have turbulators inside the tubes.
i would be building my first liquid cooled pc and i am watching a 5 year old video. nice
I have a question, is it possible to make a water cooler intake while the radiator is on the top? And not on the sides?
@@duiwithc4corvette403 im no expert but I'm going to say no because that would be causing a lack of exhaust in your system. You want to keep airflow neutral meaning even intake and outtake.
ha! you too? How'd your build go? I have my stuff showing up in the next week or so.
@@duiwithc4corvette403 I assume you're talking about air intake (related to the video). Sure it can! In some cases where the top is too blocked off it can even cause better cooling performance compared to using them for exhaust (because it wouldn't be recirculating hot air from the case). But if you have too many intake fans and not enough exhaust fans or just holes in your case the air pressure differential could (theoretically in extreme cases) become too high. This could generate noise from air escaping through small holes in the case and could make airflow optimised intake fans run very inefficient. Though for radiators pressure optimised fans are the go to choice. Slightly positive pressure would have the advantage of dust only building up on the intake fans which you could use a filter for.
But I don't really expect it to be an issue since most cases of the last few years have more restrictive intake problems while the back of the PC is very well ventilated so it should be fine to use the top fans as intakes with the radiator on top (in a pull config) but the exhaust side of a fan is usually not as pleasing to look at as the intake side.
considering the info is wrong, good luck with that
I'm just about to build my very first high end pc and i love the fact that everything that I have a doubt about there's a video fom Jayz covering it. Thank u very much
i coulda swore that was a headphone ad.
Agreed haha
Me too
i thought it was a microphone lmao
got "thumb up" for the add :)
It's modular
First denied! again...
***** NOPE beat you by 6 seconds
saph the sergal Did he delete your comment?
***** Nice work on the video, keep up the good work. #PlsNoticeMeSenpai
***** So,... forgive my noobiness here. Isn't PULLING air from the front radiator,.. well... pulling hot air INTO the case? I get the astetic reasons, but wondering how this affects temps in the case.
Isn't it possible to push air trough the front while mounting the fans at the same spot, just reverse them?
***** wow man you are looking good! keep up the hard work. I'm happy to see you succeed in your weight loss.
Nice video. Note that the temperature of the air pulled through the radiator matters, so the one mounted on the front provides maximum cooing on the radiator but can heat up the ambient temperature inside the case. For balance cooling, mounting it on top where the hottest air are expelled is what I prefer.
>can't hear what your saying with headphones directly on your ears
>CAN hear the doorbell ring perfectly, no problem
wat
i LOVE the intro... i like it much better than the old one. it feels retro and just. good like
Yogert PC that's the intro of Tek Syndicate
it are good. very well upgraded
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Nice job explaining the various configurations. I've been saying I'll water cool my next machine for about 10 years but end up air cooling each time. I found everything you said here to make perfect sense and it should be easy to understand for anyone looking to get into water cooling (like I STILL am). Thanks Jay.
Jayz without a beard, interesting.
Yes and he looks way younger here and it's only a few years ago.
We need a new version of this fan ad :D
I've only watched your videos for about a year, you always talk about how cringe you guys are sometimes but I never seen any trace of it. Today, that has changed. I have seen Jayztwocringe lol
In the beginning, the way he talks and his hairs make him look like the younger version of the giant from Twin Peaks :D
One thing Jay failed to mention or at least I didn't hear him say it, correct me if I'm wrong, is that when you use a push configuration dust is much more prone to get trapped on the rad between the fan and the rad. This is why I choose to use pull 99% of the time. Unless like in your case you go for aesthetics, in which case you'd rather put in work so it looks better.
Dylesxic I'm lazy, so I do the same. less maintenance.
Just clean dust with water
My radiator still ends up being dusty even with 3 exhaust and 2 intakes 😂😂😂 I reallly don’t think it matters
@@civilian3541 this was referring specifically to where on the radiator(s) the fans were mounted as apposed to how your entire case's airflow is configured. I've used both configurations and with all other things the same, pull won't hold as much dust as a push set up will.
Old video I know but I wanna throw something into the equation for people who are lazy, like me for example. Pulling fans tend to collect less dust because they pull it out through the radiator and putting it straight outta the case instead of pushing it against the radiator and making it stick there.
Also thank you Jay for making a video that I can copy and paste over and over again when I´m getting asked these kind of questions.
can you do a video on overclocking for beginners ?
Yes please! Specifically on what aspects do what and which ones affect what in order to get the results you're looking for. Like how exactly does upping the voltage help, and what does the CPU multiplier do. How far to go, how far is too far. And honestly I have no idea where to even start with gpu overclocking. Do I need a custom bios, or is there an ability to OC from the driver software? I haven't really seen any video that cover these things, and I respect your ability on these topics Jay. Thanks for all the awesome videos!
Travis Mohan He has two overclocking guides, one for AMD and one for Intel.
***** That's fucking insane, thew cpu will melt with the first stress tests. Linus's overclocking guides are pretty bad.
Luis Ortiz amd fx 8320 at 5ghz 1.552 volts lol
chris simmons Damn!
I feel like a peasant with my 5820k running at 4.4ghz 1.22v.
"Something appears to have changed."
I run pull on my front mounted AIO in my A10-7870k SFF build for maintenance and appearance.
I can easily reach the fans from the inside if I need to take them down for any reason at all, and I can reach the rad from the outside for cleaning.
Plus you can't see the branding on the side of the rad, but you can see the fans, from the view window. If I take the front cover off, the rad's right there, giving the system a neat industrial look.
My build can run in partial passive mode, using only my single case fan to keep it cool (35c) at desktop and light loads, but peeking into the side of the case lets me see if the fans are running or if one has stopped for some reason. (I had to take one offline for repairs.)
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Guys, why are you staring at me like that?
That fan commercial cracks me up every time I see it
Ran out of rad videos to watch where I’m from, traveled in time for this rad masterpiece. Thanks Jay!
2023 and I really appreciate this info even now! Thanks Jay
That fan commercial cracks me up every time I see it
From 6 years in the future, this version of Jayz looks way too young. 2/5 would not time travel again.
LOVE watching old videos lol
5 years later. This intro is still gold.
I'm a FAN of that new ad... No?
Alright I'll go cry in the corner of shame ;-;
I like it too,
You aren't alone :)
BrokenWillo It blew me away.
***** ummmmmm... ads* lol thats a bad typo xD. I hope it was a typo lol...
***** theres autocorrect on windows ten?!
***** lol okay
I do like pull generally simply because over the years I have noticed that dust accumulates much less at the radiator than in push configurations every time I've done it. Anyways, Great Video! Much agreed on the Cooling Differences! :)
From seven years in the future ❤
Jay, In the world of ventilation there are some very boring formula for staiic and velocity pressure but it all boils down to this. One fan blowing is worth 3 fans sucking. That is a rule of thumb to go by . If all things were equal in our cases and they were sealed up , that's what it would take to make it work the way we want it to. And that doesn't even consider the fact of free air. Which is why we have shrouds on fans because without them we could never get the air to actually move. All we'd be doing is stirring it up. It is always easier to pressurize something than vacuum something. Your vacuum cleaner has a much bigger motor than your window fan. Your on the right track I know you understand the concepts , hopefully this helps clarify this nebulos subject.
I would do pull for exhaust fans rather than push, the different in air pressure is negligible but by putting it in pull any dust build up will be on the exposed side of the radiator rather than between the fans and radiator.. and therefore easier to clean
I think pull is better in any senario for the dust factor alone
Jay's confused/worried face made me laugh out LOUD in my room late at night! XD
1:28 Wow! Not bad! 0.o'
You are the most creative advertising UA-camr I've seen so far...
I like how you integrate your ads, making a fun skit out of them.
Dang Jay, you are looking hella good! Keep up the good work man!
scintillating awesomeness Thanks buddy.
***** Anytime :)
scintillating awesomeness how was the 3 years later?
@@noway9184 oof
This ad at the beginning was awesome :D
I'd really love of UA-cam would stop unsubscribing me from the best creators on the platform
I remember tek syndicate. Best years ever
Jay350zTwoCents
Now we know what the z is for.
Starman Dx or is it a 370z they look the same
!# TheMiningWaffle
We may never know.
!# TheMiningWaffle No they don't look the same. It's a 350, not 370.
!# TheMiningWaffle both look dope*
!# TheMiningWaffle the overall shape yes, but there are subtle differences e.g. tail lights
Jay, turn on V-Sync for your intro.
thanx jay i was gonna change my fans trying to drop temps but now i know it doesnt matter and i have good flow keep up these kinds of vids
I’m glad I watched this video before putting my pc to the test. I had my fans pulling air from the radiator, instead of pushing air through the radiator. You sir saved my PCs life.
IMO always install in pull if possible. Easier to clean.
Is a pull Radiator in Front okay? So:
------Case-Front-----
///////Radiator/////
Its in Front Not on top ;)
Yes, that's how my setup is. Temps are good, easy to clean.
Haxor inator okay thanks :) just thought there Is Not enough pressure for The radiator
There is a reason that cars do it this way. The fan pulls through the radiator and then blows it all over the engine that is making the heat in the first place.
Forget about pressure differences and think in terms of air movement, and that the three components here are part of one overall system.
uh should you get airflow fans or static pressure fans for a pull config?
Wouldn't having a pull on the front just pump the warm air from the front radiator back onto the components?
Doesn't matter too much since the components are reasonably isolated within the loop.
Well if you have an intake fan you will be blowing that warm air on an exhaust fan
This is really helpful 5 years later! Thx
This was one of the most useful video's I've found for water cooling, I have decided for my Case labs Mercury S8 case to do a 280 mm push pull on the front but really quiet fans, this is my overall goal. Thanks again for the great video Jay
how about a video on how to sleeve psu cables?
***** link?
I did wanna go sleeping, but you have to upload a video, why jay? Wy u do dis?
Megaspasstpräsentiert HE is evil.
I'm glad I live in Brazil, it's 20:18 here :D
thank you for all the explanations on case flow and fan designs.
Great video. It helped me a lot! Thank you.
I have just finished my Corsair C70 Military build! So i went for 2 Noctua F12's on the front pulling air into the PC through the storage compartment (super quiet fans running at 1500rpm - it sucks in my 420 smoke!). 2 AF 140's on the top pushing air out of the case, running @ around 1000RPM each (again, very quiet fans and move a lot of air). On the rear I have my MSI Dragon 120mm Radiator with a Corsair SP120 pushing air through the rad and out the back of the case. It's worth mentioning my MSI Dragon Liquid Cooler is 18 months old (from a prev build) and still going strong. Obviously it's a good one, it's made by Asetek!! The pump is running at top speed (silent 1590RPM) and the SP120 @ around 2000RPM (super quiet). FX-8350 (stock speed 4.0Ghz) i am getting Idle temps of 18c-23c depending on weather and I haven't seen it go above 44c under full load (I play GTA V at 2k 60fps for hours on end!). So thanks again for making a great video, and hope my comment can help some folks out.
4:25 Fan configuration in case
Did Linus not do a video a while back saying to only do pull because push can trap dust in the radiator?
erazorCTF Your still going to trap dust in a pull setup.. Much like any window A/C.
Grant Kidd Just get some Silverstone dust filters on all your areas with fans mounted and you're golden. They're magnetic so you don't even have to screw them in if you have an aluminum case (granted I did anyways) just wipe the fan periodically and enjoy fantastic dust free air pressure year round.
friedzombie4 Magnets won't stick to aluminum case and besides, I have one of those Silverstone dust filters - they restrict airflow so much that there wasn't almost any airflow in my case, so I removed that filter.
Tomas Sabalas oh wow, magnets how do they work? jk I am using a Fractal R4 so that's a steel case which explains why the magnets work well for me. Are you using the old filter design or the new one? I'm using this amzn.to/1DPosWH and haven't had a single issue with airflow.
friedzombie4 I have this one amzn.to/1JSkq1P and I guess it's the old one. I'm using Lian-Li case, so no magnets for me and I don't have any dust filters in my case, just a grill at the top - all I need to do is blow dust out of the case with air compressor once a year and that's it.
haha look at the beardless Jayz lol. Nice one man. Glad you were the one who made a video about push/pull setups!
A note, the PWM standard allow the control of LOTS of fans per header, so if you use a cable or breakout box that draws power from something like a Molex or SATA, but passes through a PWM signal you could run as many fans as you like off a single header (and indeed this can be a neat looking way to do things for cable management). The tachometer line is optional, and in theory shouldn't matter since all fans that comply with the standard will not over RPM even at 100% duty cycle (indeed this is the effective running state when the PWM line is not connected), although I have found some cheap fans may "tick" or otherwise adversely behave at the lower duty cycles despite the standard calling for all fans to work at the minimum, so if different fans are used I'd recommend connecting it to the slowest. The downside of doing this is you have less zones in which you can control speed independently, but using 1 header per watercooling loop is generally fine, as its cooling the same fluid, although 2 may be useful if minium RPM is a binding constraint (thus turn half the fans off at low load).
Use identical fans and connect the tachometer signal just to one of them. since all fans are build the same, they should behave identical and run the same rpm.
I'd love to see the air pressures with smoke!
your buddy is great in every video I have seen him in
dave h love u Dave
Thanks buddy ;)
Best video on youtube of this topic.
Forget Forums, Google image searches, articles. Just watch this
Thanks to Jayz!
Jay, your videos are SOOOOOOO appreciated. I have no problem at all following along with your logic. Don't ever stop making videos dude. Seriously.
Damn that Z looked nice.
HOLY CHIZZLE-SWIZ YOU LOOKING SKINNY JAY! NICE WORK!
Looking back at some of your older vids. That was an excellent Arnold you did.
I’m watching this in 2021 and I’m thinking “damn, Jay looks different? He looks….. young?!” I think “when was this done?!” I look, it was done 6 years ago! Now it makes sense! 🤣
awesome ad Jay!
Keyvan Khadem Ravandi your fractal design ads are truly epic, that's how all ads should be! :D
The theme music made me feel like I was watching Tek syndicate
Looking good Jay. Oh Wait. This was 6 years ago. Good info. Building my first water cooled system after 25 years of building PCs. Good info.
I've had all my Radiators in a pull method for a couple reasons. 1st would be due to clearance size from a specific and having the fans to close to cabling or motherboard. 2nd Since I live in Cali and it's a dust bowl these days, I've noticed the fans do not clog up with dirt/dust as if they were underneath the Radiator. but it's all about preference and fan case fan configurations.
Great Vid!
Hahahahaahhahaha this fucking intro hahahahahahahaha oh my god haaha so so so so good jay your freaking awesome!!!
ok i LOVED that intro
Jay you are the man. The smoke and stuff to see how the fans work would be awesome.
im glad i have finally found a guy what could explain this properly. Im a novice in liquid cooling because i always used standard air cooling. I have bought the Kraken X62 for my new rig but need help how to install it. Thanks Jay
4:07 NO. Push/pull is when you have fans on *_both_* sides, not either side. Either means "one or the other" and that's not push/pull.
Its open to interpretation, people say one on either side, to indicate both sides. Makes perfect sense
I liked the video because of 350Z, uh i mean because of the stuff you talked about in the video... yeeeaah
the biggest advantage of pull config is its easier to keep clean as dust builds on the bare side of the radiator & not in between the fan & radiator (which is aids to clean) in my experience having the radiator setup to pull air from outside the case gives slightly cooler cpu temps than pulling air from inside the case
I had push/push for my FX 9590 Radiator. Always make sure your fans are facing the correct direction.
The pull method is easier to clean the radiator often.
So true. Compared to the push/pull I have now. Gotta take both fans and radiator off the case to take the fans off either side of the radiator to be able to really give it a good clean, sure duster through all 3 blows some dust out not near as much as I'd like :p
I'm a big "fan" of these videos :D
That intro though, and your car is sick
Wow, young Jay, lol. 6 years into the future, still going back to watch
yea jay, do the smoke for skunkworks pleeez
Dat commercial at the beginning doe.
What character is that?
Would love to see an updated video on this now that components are hot as hell
Amazing vid. I'm doing my 1st build currently and trying to get clued up as poss before i order my last part.
Really like your videos Jay, but the commercials at the beginning are getting worse and worse...
Anthony B That makes you the minority! Have a nice day.
***** but that burn tho
Hello Mr Anthony, I will like to suggest to you adblock. Just search adblock on Google and install it. It will work withgoogle chrome as far as I know. Once you've installed it, anytime you watch jayz2cents, you have the option to enable or disable ads. In other words you can choose to not see them. I hope I have helped you today, as I didn't like jayz response to you. So you can get back at him by not giving him a fraction of some money.
Schmidt McGready thats not how adboock works
Schmidt McGready and it obviously doesnt block the in-video ad
I cool my watercooler with another watercooler!
That was a really good Arnold... can't believe no one commented
I love the introduction, perfect example of backup request and players don’t get it 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lost a lot of weight Jay! :)
Your looking really well ***** those bike ride's must be doing the trick ;-)
Push/push is the best configuration without a doubt!
The awkwardness made the intro so much better
You copied their music.
Now convert to linux.
Or else.
Jake Whitton Or else he has to give free watercooling to all of his subscribers PCs :D
NeedMoreMushrooms Yes my laptop needs watercooling
Jake Whitton Linux is shit.
HowAmI yep
dat arm flab
I'm ready for the smoke air presser video jay part 2
@JayzTwoCents FYI there are fan splitter cables that allow the PWM line to go to up to 5 fans while the power for said fans can be handled separately by a MOLEX connector from the PSU. This is helpful if you are running many fans or extremely high powered fans and don't want to burn put the fan headers on your motherboard. (Most motherboards can only handle 1 amp of power _total_ as you said in your video.)
living the 370z life damn....:D
It's not a 370...
+UrNextOnMyList__ its a 350z lol
You could have like, told him what it was instead of replying like that lol.
トロール Z
he was tryna be cryptic
Haha for sure
plz don't speek like a russian i have bad memories from dota 2 XD
+thanasis47 xD
Man that front splitter and canards to really well with the 350z
Is it wrong to wish Jay would go back and redo old videos like this, given the change in fan, radiator, and cooler technologies?
Seems like No harm to ask, i like a update videos
Well, that advertising in the beginning was great! xD
Love your videos! just wanted to say, your weight loss has been nothing short of incredible and I'm really happy for you =)
Thanks man. For a minute there I was thinking that I put my fans incorrectly in my new build 😂
yep jay do the smoke thing always wanted to know how to check for positive over negative