How about this for a NEW!!!! car. In the 1st year of owning the COMAND system failed. Hence no mobile, no radio, no maps not safety controls basically a black screen AND A VERY UNSAFE CAR. After 4 weeks in service it was replaced. 18 months later same issue - replaced again. Exactly 2 years and 1 month later COMAND fault again. Here's the kicker though, the replacement COMAND only has 2 year warranty and guess what Mercedes said. YEP. RIGHT. Out of warranty. Bear in mind this E300e we have owned since new IN 2020 and always serviced by Mercedes has only 46,700Km on the clock and now everything is billable. Guess how much it costs to replace the COMAND module ....198,000Baht equivalent to about $7,000 US Will I buy another Mercedes...NEVER. Let me repeat that NEVER!!!!!!!!!! So our next car is a BMW 530M Sport that comes complete with 5 years unconditional warranty and 5 years complimentary service. OH YES... foregot something. Mercedes do not provide the first service as complimentary...they bill you for EVERYTHING!!!! Don't get me wrong the Mercedes looked beautiful, was lovely to drive but we paid an arm and a leg for it. But its Mercedes. They do not stand behind their product. Everything is your fault and they try to bleed you every way they can. Mercedes product warranty. FACT or FICTION? You choose!!!
Wow that is extremely disappointing and I can actually relate although not to this extent. So sorry to hear about the troubles so I am pinning your comment for others to learn about this issue.
@@pokerNGold On many cars the screen controls the heat, AC, fan,and other similar functions. If you have no screen and cant turn on the AC when its 35C/-20C I'd call it dangerous. I'm also curious how many digital dashboards and infotainment systems share the same sort of control module and if one goes its likely the other will as well.
@@michaeldymock2496 i bet its just a fuse..all this is happening cause people that dont know nothing about cars but have the money to buy them..on my rx8 mazda wanted 3800 euro for the broken electric steering..it was the fuses connectors..fix it with 40euro..never take your cars to dealership..its wires not uranium..its the same like Ipad nothing more or less..its not a special nasa screen.. picture search the part number..first move always for anything..dont be weak..and if you are very rich the pay it and done..even a rat can make you 10k wiring damage..but its only wires in the end of the day..i know people that can open that screen rebuild it in a day even hours..dont be hypnotized by the merc s class marketing..its wiees and parts that all companies use..no one its making only for mercedes parts
@@mik7652 it still gives u luxury, ride , newest tech and performance but not built like they used to, not a prestigious either. It used to mean something to belong to the Mercedes club. Not too much anymore. They used to have high resale value as they would last forever and built like bank vaults. Wow what a shame 😢
My Mercedes GLE 350 lasted less than a month. The rain water got in through the trunk seal. Drowned the computers in the floor. Insurance company totaled it. My Mercedes Benz combined with the terrible dealership experience scared me from the brand for ever.
@@rebeltvr6046 why should he show respect after having a terrible experience with an overpriced car? Apparently being honest and having opinions is a disrespect nowadays
We leased four different C300 4Matics over four different refreshes. Our last MB was given back, five thousand miles under the 30,000 mile limit. During our last MB oil change, the dealer found the rear and front differentials were both leaking and needed repair. During this repair, the main computer failed. This car had 25,000 miles on it. The car always drove beautifully, but it was falling apart at 25,000 miles. It was our last MB.
There are a couple generations that are extremely reliable like the w204 and w212. Rather have one of those than a boring Lexus that puts you to sleep when driving. No driving dynamics
@@rahimi4762Ehm, lexus is the definition of quality & luxury. Mercedes now has lots of plastics and the ambient light itself are not enough to catch me.
The irony is that competition is supposed to improve a product for the consumer, when in fact it does the opposite. I would say that rust is less of an issue than before. I remember when I first started driving, you only had to look at a car and you could see the rust developing.😁 Lastly we are a throw away society, many people do not keep their car for long, once the warranty expires they are onto the next vehicle.
You can't talk in absolutes like that, competition did give us some really good drivers cars, certain brands did become more reliable while other brands didn't and not everyone buys new cars, many people try and make their older cars last or buy used.
European car manufactures bet on brand loyalty and flashy marketing. they dont see themselves as car manufacture, they think they are luxury brand like LVMH. thats why BMW and VW are collecting brand names.
it improves the product for the consumer, him saying "other companies made good products for a better price so mercedes cheaped out cause they needed their board of members getting massive payouts" doesnt mean competition will make products worse. It just shows who produces trash and you stop being company loyal and go to the company that makes a good product
Honestly speaking, the Mercedes Benz manufactured and sold in North America are not the same build quality as Europe...The European standards are much higher.....An American Benz is not a real Benz. They have a manufacturing plant in Vance, Alabama and I wouldn't considered an Alabama Benz to be a real Benz....A real Benz comes from Germany. If your Benz is not coming Germany then it's not a real true benz. A true German Benz will last..... Unfortunately, most of the Benz cars sold in Canada, America, and Latin America are not being built in Germany so the quality will fall and the standards will drop.
I would not recommend relying on those now. It’s not just the cvt transmission that has a reputation, the engines are going bad around 100k, no doubt from the turbo chargers that they are putting in these cars
@@nikkiknows1545 and the prestige. They still live for old Mercedes which doesn’t exist anymore. The exclusive Mercedes club is gone now too since the used cars are cheap. They used to have very high resale value mid 90s and before. Ppl would pass these down in their families
@@rahimi4762 I wouldn’t touch one. I’m happy for any owner who has one and is happy with it but they don’t suit me at all. Toyota and Honda are kids toys, Acura and Lexus are the same, maybe if it had a standard transmission but my interest runs out. There’s just nothing there that appeals to me or worth my money. Better for someone else
Safety features are useless when they break down and the driver won't know about it until the driver is in the trunk of another car, when I was growing up I was taught to keep my eyes open and on the road, that was the old school Safety feature. Safety features are a way to make the driver lazy and not pay attention to his or her driving
Same here have had the Dacia Logan Mcv from 2016 bought with 7000 miles on it and have done 90000 miles only had to change a wheel bearing good on fuel and Road tax free in the UK for the 1.5dci diesel engine can't complain
Honda engines hitting that milestone isn’t even a surprise. they make one of the best engines (maybe excluding the 1.5T that they recently started using).
Another consideration that affects the quality of the exterior is the crumple zone for safety. They can't use the heavy metals now like they used to. Also, even car seats are designed to be biodegradable.
IIRC, it was the change to “‘environmentally friendly” paints that caused them to rust so quickly. At least that was their excuse. Most of the other luxury manufacturers didn’t have that problem.
Sir I respect Your Knowledge , and please !, I have a Question ?,... What is. Your Honest Opinion about the w140 , S500 , 1995 ,..!??? Thank You ( in terms of quality and reliability !?..)
@@fasilvoilesu1464 - The W140 is considered one of the best Mercedes cars ever built. Maybe one of the best cars ever built by anyone (although I’d argue that honor goes to the Lexus LS400). Same for that generation of E-Class, the W124.
@@ClockworksOfGL no that S Class Lexus took apart is the best car ever built. Lexus copied it to a certain price. mB didn’t built it to no price point back then
It's the same with other manufacturers. If you make a car too reliable you sell fewer cars. Case in point: General Motors. You still see W-body Chevies, Buicks, Pontiacs, etc. from the early 2000s on the road, some of which are over 20 years old, yet the generation of vehicles that came after them are largely sitting on used car lots or rotting in junkyards. That tells you everything you need to know. Building a car that is simple, rugged, reliable, and easy for everyday people to service is the last thing any of these companies want to do.
That is simply not true! Because if you sell an unreliable car people will trash it and go buy a more reliable car from another manufacturer hence you sell fewer cars. For example, I will never buy a mercedes again, I will buy a toyota instead!!
Keep in mind that a lot of these added plastics and turbos are a result of the government's regulations for higher fuel economy. smaller 4-cylinder engines with turbos for better fuel efficiency numbers. You can't hit the governments numbers without making changes, and remember, the government does not care if you like these changes or NOT!
I had a W220 S-Class, and I loved it as a driving experience when it worked. The quality of the interior was disappointing with all of the cheap plastic and the finish peeling off of the buttons. There was this quirky drain valve in the air box that would block with the slightest amount of road dust and as water drained in the rain it would fill up until it overflowed through the fan ducting straight into passenger foot well. Good thing there isn't an important onboard computer to keep the car running there...oops. then the plastic plugs in the trunk that fill the taps where the robot would grab on in the factory fell out and my trunk filled with water. Good thing the stereo and battery weren't back there....oops again. I kept it for five years, though, all the way up until its cancer went terminal across multiple panels. Sometimes, I look back with rose coloured glasses at the times it drove well and miss it, but then times like these remind me of how bad the car really was.
This was the worst S class. This is when the accountants came in. The S Class before was the best one ever built. It lost money it was so good. Blame Lexus 😂
@Clutch Inc. I'm not as familiar as Mark with the ins and outs of this model but I would probably say no, not really. It'll be full of cheap pleather and it won't last the test of time in my opinion. They look great when new but just don't have that robust quality that Merc used to be known for.
Mercedes was undisputably the best built and most reliable cars up until and including through the 80s. Almost every car was benchmarked against it. It seems as though their quality started to suffer around the same time Lexus came onto the scene. It forced Mercedes to do one of two things, either try and compete with Lexus which would mean cost cutting or move up-market, where they should have gone in my opinion.
I definitely think weight was an issue. If you made a modern mercedes was made with less plastics and more metal, they'd be even heavier. And this would kill fuel economy. Mercedes has been forced into a corner with engineering constraints.
Calm down. You have mentioned the rocker panel and loudspeaker several times in multiple videos. That doesn’t generally set the quality of a Mercedes. I’ll give you that the use of plastic is horrible in today’s Mercedes. I’ve owned W124, W211, W212, several Sprinters and now I have a W205 from 2019. Mercedes might not be the most reliable, but the style, comfort and safety are the best out there. F**k Toyota, Lexus and Honda….
The quality is not there but I will check the box on style and tech over most of its competitors and that’s largely why we went here over a BMW 3 or 4 series on this round.
My 2018 GLC 300 has now reached 75k miles and is flawless, just brake pads and oil change. It's my everyday car and I drive in heavy urban stop and go traffic. I have had more issues on other cars I have owned.
The race for technology because of MB competitors, like VW brands and BMW rushed MB to compromise reliability. Add the EPA and it is just another casualty of the new generation of evolving technology. A 1986 190E is but a memory.
A lot of these points can be said about all modern luxury cars, not just Mercedes. They’re all using turbos, tons of technology, they all have way more failure points, and they’re all loaded with plastics. I’d just go with the MB if I had to pick from the lot 😎. Great video!
A lot of cars, electronic gear changer’s, push button, Chryslers dial transmission selector, electric emergency brakes, ridiculous! I like the idea of push button start because I don’t own one and never have so it’s new and different to me but when the electric system goes on the brink as it has been known, that’s one more problem that puts the car out of commission
@@xxnicksfresh401xx problem is you pay the car off with the bank and your warranty expires then you trade it in and you are in debt all over again. I guess you got to pick your poison
Yes that is true same with bmw they get such a bad rep but most of the modern cars use a lot of plastic and have the same high tech features. Might as well just pick the car we like.
The main reason is a focus on shareholder returns for the MB shareholders. Historically, MB were a premium product, either for luxury, or service life. When the bean counters figured out they were over-built, the product was dumbed down, and the execs realised they could sell more, for a lower price, and make more money. Snobbery is a bigger part of consumer behaviour now. The desire not to be seen as "cheap"; to buy to impress; to give yourself a boost. In 10 years, there won't be new ICE cars from MBenz. The best thing for the environment is to pressure your local government to provide effective public transport, and then use a 2nd hand car for pleasure.
Brand new 2022 c class broke down in a few months, the engine oil and transmission oil was leaking so badly that the engine almost blew up,no engine light warning,we couldn't believe it 😳
@@clutchinc.7070 stay away from new mercedes cars the built quality is trash,my brother is a mechanic and he investigated the leak and the oil sump is made out of plastic which can warp from heat,even the oil dran plug is plastic,there not built to last,mercedes cutting corners to make money.
@@mickill2 :( even the brand brand new ones? my friends benz lasted 300k miles the whole family. idk why ppl have such mixed reviewss about them :/ they look so nice too. and the interior.
@aundrayperkins1712 yea that's impressive but I think we should all have such a car. We have an 08 camry as well that refuses to die but comparing a 4 cylinder to an 8 cylinder twin turbo is a bit silly no?
I'm glad I'm handy with my own repairs. My '05 Ford Escape with a V6 has 200K and all simple repairs I handled myself. I recently inspected the valve train with a V cover removal and not a shred of varnish thanks to my precise oil changes with synthetic. I'm only getting a new car because with aging I need the safety features. I hope I'm doing the right thing.
Dont get a new car sir, your truck is prlly built like a tank, if your makkng a car payment your dumb, hence im dumb, i got a c300 4 matic 2011, i love it but totally unnecessary, 124k miles and now warnjng lights or engine noise, Benz baby
@@ECPP I'm glad you confirmed this, because... It seems like my take/interpretation is not a common one you see when talking about the quality, reliability, and durability of modern German cars.
My 2019 gle 400.. the engine just died. Not even 5 years old yet. Got extended warranty, it expired a few months ago. I was hoping to keep that car for many years.
Big companies now design cars to work for 5 years then it's replacement time! They figured out this way keeps profits up and production up = lower production costs too, meanwhile the banks are so happy with this way too as more loans are released every 5 years meaning more profits for banks!
Plastic, plastic, plastic everywhere. Doesn't matter how you manufacturer it, it's susceptible to degrading over time from constant heat and stress. It amazes me they continue to make key engine components from it when in the past they were metal. Every manufacturer now just wants thier products to last to the warrenty. Notice now that manufacturers never talk about the quality long term quality. Remember when " Quality was job one. " " Like a rock. "
I had a W116 Mercedes 280S and it was built like a Sherman Tank with relatively NO mechanical issues! But as Mercedes Benz change the production in later generations (W201 and later) it cut corners with parts, metals, and additional materials makes them less reliable to last for over 100000 miles…
@Jerry Weaver s class was too complicated back then already. Also W220 like w203 had rust issues pre face lift in the early naughties. 2004 onwards this issue was fixed Most reliable mercedes would be for me any of the face-lift w203, a208, r171 cars. AMG versions of those also had the most reliable v8 of all time in the NA m113. Best balance of good build quality, enough tech but not too much and bullet proof drive train
@@KingofInterns Thank you for the clarification…I agree with you on the rust problems…The W220 was the last time the gear shift was on the floor & then Mercedes moved it to the steering column (big mistake)…Overall the W220 had many other problems as well…IMO the W221 is the last appealing built Mercedes…
I had a c280 , great Mercedes, had over 270 thousand miles. Very reliable. I drive a BMW and still missing my Mercedes. My kids keep asking when I going to get another one. They love it more than my new x3
Your reasoning for owning this is the same reason I own a new car. But I own an antique car too. My old car might give me more problems but I also get the sense I'll still be driving it when my new car is bricked. Simply because the newer car is likely to give me problems related to fragile build quality and computer gremlins, whereas the old car is more likely to give me problems I can solve with a screwdriver and a can of WD40.
Back in the days, marriages lasted, hardly any stories about adultery. Now it's the opposite. Women dont last long in marriages, and men dont take responsibility and commitment. Cars, same issues. After three years of driving, get ready for issues.
I was thinking about buying a Mercedes, thank you for the educative content. You saved me time and possible disaster I would experience if I bought one. I would love to gear more about reliable bmw and "audi " . I want to make a good decision and be happy with my next car purchase.
If your looking at buying a premium German luxury, do your research on the model and year for any issues. They certainly will cost more to maintain and the reliability isn’t up to the Japanese premium cars standards, however there are a lot of European specialists garages that are cheaper than main dealers for service. My advice is research on the forums e.g MB world, Bimmerfest. Make an informed decision about your future purchase. 👍🏾
The points you are mentioning from 7:50 min onwards is not only related to Mercedes. Any additional subsystem and feature that is added to any modern car can be a point of failure, regardless of the brand.
@Nel Zelpher To tell you the truth Nel Zlpher. If Mercedes executives said. Let's provide everyone in the world. With our highest quality vehicles. And our vehicles at a fair market price. Honda, Mercedes, As well as Toyota. Would all be battling for the #1 spot of highest quality vehicle. But as Mark has already. Mentioned in his video. Mercedes has already accomplished winning that position. The executives just chose to give it up. And give it up by a mind puzzling very far.
@mickill2 With Honda placing 4Th¿¿ The size of the bribe that BMW awarded. The owners of consumer reports. Was nothing less then ASTRONOMICAL!! Which explains the high volume of plastic parts. Throughout their cars.
204 is great and generally a well maintained unit can run solidly for a long time. AmG wins the race but just watch for poor service history, rust potential and accident history. Other than that, good to go
I wasn't worried until last week. Premium fuel since day one. All services were done at MB. Now I have a car running on 3 cylinders with a cracked piston in cylinder #1. MB quoted $21K to fix it. That’s more than the car is worth at the moment. The bottom line is the engines in modern cars should not have catastrophic engine failure at 60K MB is dishonest and turning a blind eye to a lot of M274 engine owners. The percentage is not that minimal anymore as there’s a class action lawsuit in California and there’s an open investigation by NHTSA into this matter as well. I completely lost confidence in the brand after learning that Mercedes Benz is withholding crucial information from its customers regarding the premature engine failure on the M274 engines. The incorrectly sized or otherwise unsuitable wrist pin causing mechanical engine damage should have been disclosed to all owners so they could make an informed decision regarding their future with this particular engine in multiple MB cars.
How about the new ‘23 GLC suv Mark. Any good for purchase if I change out oil and service more often as you’ve described in previous. basically doubling up services with the one recommended service. Thoughts ?? Thanks for what you do.
Maybe don't buy the cheaper class, and when comparing compare each class with its own class only. My 05 E55 was very solid, heavy nice doors solid all around. Now my 2018 E63s has been great!
I don't know man, the 2011 C63 AMG was built 12 years ago and they're still solid and insane. I don't think every modern Benz was built just to last 3 years
If I had a spare 10k I'd buy a 79 300d in a heart beat there are thousands of those babies still driving around, I prefer substance over style, lately I've been looking at the 6cly late model Toyota sienna , the 4cly hybrid has great mpg but no power
My 2010 e class coupe. Bulletproof and will keep only 139,000 miles…. My 2009 SL 550 bulletproof basically only water pump brakes and tires and a rebounder for the suspension twice …. 92,000 milesI will keep these and go into the future and not get a 2020 e coupe 450 as they seem to be shit.
The big reason classic Mercedes rusted out was because of the plasticized vinyl undercoating they used and where some body seams were located and how they sealed them.
I own a 2020 Mercedes Benz S560 4Matic and I haven't had any issues with it. I follow the routine maintenance schedule, I have three full inspection point papers that indicate it is in perfect health. My friend owns a 2012 Mercedes Benz S550 4Matic and he only had to replace the alternator. Mind you he has close to 120,000 miles. I have close to 40,000 and bought it after a lease. Yes, I am aware of the reliability, talked to S Class and AMG owners, and scoured through consumer reviews from different sites. I didn't have any malfunction or electrical issues, but I do know a certified MB mechanic that I trust.
@@clutchinc.7070I bought a 22 a 220 and I put 30,000 miles on it so far nothing has failed me yet. This was my first Mercedes now I can comfortably say they are just as good as any other car I would definitely get one
I have one from 2008, six cylinders, engine and transmission no issues but just about anything else has been replaced since. Living in Northeast where the climate is hard on a car and rust unavoidable despite best efforts. Also the rear frame will rust but luckily MB now has it as a factory recall and will change it for free.
Covered a lot of durability analysis at breathtaking speed with your own car. After Mercedes sold Chrysler in 2007 the quality of cars like my SL went up with engineering faults eliminated. Even the audio systems got much better [Harman Kardon vs. Bose]. Next generation of R231 SL's to a quality nose dive. Dashboards were a squeak fest. Door storage compartments no longer locked. Even the spare tire was eliminated.
So 10 or 12 years isn’t long enough for a power plant be it gasoline or diesel to last without needing some major service or replacement? How long should the engine last 20 years 25 years? @13:25
Have a 2020 S560. All of these same features. No issues. "point of possible failure"... Dude, EVERY SINGLE damned modern car has all the same potential failure points.
Got me scared for a minute. Had my Glc300 17 since late 2016 and I only got 19K miles on it. I don’t do unnecessary driving. Plan on keeping it until for while. One thing I can say the engine never loses power very strong boost.
Question: Everybody has been talking about how turbochargers are bad for the engine and they have intercoolers, etc. why did the older Mercedes turbodiesels last forever without intercoolers?
Turbo's are not bad. Its the engineering and implementation of them. Look at the 80's you had lots of cars with turbos, turbo intercooled, etc. but there were plenty like ford merkur brand that both engines (turbo and na) which were just as unreliable. Then you had Audi with SOLID turbo engines but the injection systems were not tolerant of minor issues. Turbos are VERY reliable when implemented well, and cared for. The same can be said about an old school mechanical camera. If its built great it lasts, but only if its cared for. Long story short, quality oil, dont abuse it, and care for it.
New car interiors are designed to photograph well, because tiktok and instagram. Old car interiors touch and feel well. I'm thinking 90s Mercedes interiors vs the newest interiors which photograph well, but are made of cheap chromed plastic, crunchy, and scratch very easily.
My grandparents had a Mercedes from the 80s I love how this car was so much, I always wanted to buy one just bought my first merc c350 2012 amazing car
I wouldn't buy a new Mercedes. But I got an incredible find a few months ago. A Mercedes van with an OM6xx engine! One of the most famous reliable engines.
You guys are making up a narrative that hasa heavy element of rose tinted glasses about the old cars. We in Europe still know how German Taxi drivers went on striks in front of the Mercedes factory in Stuttgart, cause of all the quality issue with the early w124 in 1985. They were also very nostalgic back then about the "bulletproof old benz" predecesor w123 and hated the new car "ruined by computer". Sounds familiar? Yeah, it happens every time. Early cars have birthing issues, people start remmebering how facelifted verions of the previous models were extremely reliable. It happened with w210, w211, w212, w213... Always the same story. Point is: cars are more reliable each generation. 80s mercedes cars had huge problems with electronic injecton, rust, haskets etc. But nobody remember that anymore. People tend to only remember the "fixed" facelifted versions of each model while they lament early adopter models deficiency.
Yeah you aren't kidding, while vacation in Wrightwood, CA this week, I had heard some bolt like noise coming from the rear tire. When I was checking it, I didn't find anything wrong. As a precautionary thing, I took it to Wrightwood Auto Services, they too couldn't find it but charged me $65. Had I had a nail, bolt or screw, it would have been $30. So that does add quickly at a dealership.
Also, repeat customer is very good for business. As with most consumer items, companies don't sell quality, they sell on legacy perception and current hype.
How about this for a NEW!!!! car.
In the 1st year of owning the COMAND system failed. Hence no mobile, no radio, no maps not safety controls basically a black screen AND A VERY UNSAFE CAR. After 4 weeks in service it was replaced. 18 months later same issue - replaced again. Exactly 2 years and 1 month later COMAND fault again. Here's the kicker though, the replacement COMAND only has 2 year warranty and guess what Mercedes said.
YEP. RIGHT. Out of warranty. Bear in mind this E300e we have owned since new IN 2020 and always serviced by Mercedes has only 46,700Km on the clock and now everything is billable.
Guess how much it costs to replace the COMAND module ....198,000Baht equivalent to about $7,000 US
Will I buy another Mercedes...NEVER. Let me repeat that NEVER!!!!!!!!!!
So our next car is a BMW 530M Sport that comes complete with 5 years unconditional warranty and 5 years complimentary service.
OH YES... foregot something. Mercedes do not provide the first service as complimentary...they bill you for EVERYTHING!!!!
Don't get me wrong the Mercedes looked beautiful, was lovely to drive but we paid an arm and a leg for it. But its Mercedes. They do not stand behind their product. Everything is your fault and they try to bleed you every way they can.
Mercedes product warranty. FACT or FICTION? You choose!!!
Wow that is extremely disappointing and I can actually relate although not to this extent. So sorry to hear about the troubles so I am pinning your comment for others to learn about this issue.
Your car was unsafe to drive because the screen stopped working?
@@pokerNGold On many cars the screen controls the heat, AC, fan,and other similar functions. If you have no screen and cant turn on the AC when its 35C/-20C I'd call it dangerous. I'm also curious how many digital dashboards and infotainment systems share the same sort of control module and if one goes its likely the other will as well.
@@michaeldymock2496 i bet its just a fuse..all this is happening cause people that dont know nothing about cars but have the money to buy them..on my rx8 mazda wanted 3800 euro for the broken electric steering..it was the fuses connectors..fix it with 40euro..never take your cars to dealership..its wires not uranium..its the same like Ipad nothing more or less..its not a special nasa screen.. picture search the part number..first move always for anything..dont be weak..and if you are very rich the pay it and done..even a rat can make you 10k wiring damage..but its only wires in the end of the day..i know people that can open that screen rebuild it in a day even hours..dont be hypnotized by the merc s class marketing..its wiees and parts that all companies use..no one its making only for mercedes parts
You'll have the same experience with bmw and audi
I'm old enough, to remember when Mercedes Benz meant expensive, luxury, quality, reliable, solid vehicles made in Germany.
Yet
still does just not expensive. nothing after 1999. You have to look for gems.
Most luxury car manufacturers are selling the name now
Because they weren't worried about emissions controls and technology
@@mik7652 it still gives u luxury, ride , newest tech and performance but not built like they used to, not a prestigious either. It used to mean something to belong to the Mercedes club. Not too much anymore. They used to have high resale value as they would last forever and built like bank vaults. Wow what a shame 😢
My Mercedes GLE 350 lasted less than a month. The rain water got in through the trunk seal. Drowned the computers in the floor. Insurance company totaled it. My Mercedes Benz combined with the terrible dealership experience scared me from the brand for ever.
Wow. That’s messed up
I’ve only had good experiences with Mercedes. But I’ve only bought used and much older models. Maybe the new cars are very bad.
Don't put down Mercedes just because you had a lemon. Remember, Mercedes invented the modern automobile. Show some respect.
Don't put them down because of that
...Benz rule them all.
@@rebeltvr6046 why should he show respect after having a terrible experience with an overpriced car? Apparently being honest and having opinions is a disrespect nowadays
We leased four different C300 4Matics over four different refreshes. Our last MB was given back, five thousand miles under the 30,000 mile limit. During our last MB oil change, the dealer found the rear and front differentials were both leaking and needed repair. During this repair, the main computer failed. This car had 25,000 miles on it. The car always drove beautifully, but it was falling apart at 25,000 miles. It was our last MB.
What year?
@@elip.982 The last C300 we leased was a 2018.
Am sorry but Benz is still the greatest.
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Expensive Junk
Their drivetrain is good; it's the electronics that give problems. But you're right about rust--Rust Never Sleeps (Neil Young, 1979).
Overpriced to buy, reassuringly expensive to maintain! Those who aren't too bothered with image buy Lexus etc.
They like the performance and luxury the Toyota can’t provide. Bland
so don't get one?
There are a couple generations that are extremely reliable like the w204 and w212. Rather have one of those than a boring Lexus that puts you to sleep when driving. No driving dynamics
@@rahimi4762Ehm, lexus is the definition of quality & luxury. Mercedes now has lots of plastics and the ambient light itself are not enough to catch me.
@@GuentherVanRaven Lexus is also boring, lack tech and lots of bits of Toyota mixed in. Actually I’m good on both brands.
we know why we buy it. that mercedes is beautiful. it's just how much we cry when no one's looking. 😂
Esp Endless times after paying the Hefty bill when leaving the Merc Workshop
@@vincecarlo yikers... how much? is it worth it?
I see a Mercedes and just think “oof that guy is in trouble”
Audi is better
The irony is that competition is supposed to improve a product for the consumer, when in fact it does the opposite. I would say that rust is less of an issue than before. I remember when I first started driving, you only had to look at a car and you could see the rust developing.😁 Lastly we are a throw away society, many people do not keep their car for long, once the warranty expires they are onto the next vehicle.
You can't talk in absolutes like that, competition did give us some really good drivers cars, certain brands did become more reliable while other brands didn't and not everyone buys new cars, many people try and make their older cars last or buy used.
They’re competitively making shit .
In Southern California, I see many beautiful rust free Mercedes at the junkyard. I see a lot of special and expensive models and wonder why.
European car manufactures bet on brand loyalty and flashy marketing.
they dont see themselves as car manufacture, they think they are luxury brand like LVMH.
thats why BMW and VW are collecting brand names.
it improves the product for the consumer, him saying "other companies made good products for a better price so mercedes cheaped out cause they needed their board of members getting massive payouts" doesnt mean competition will make products worse. It just shows who produces trash and you stop being company loyal and go to the company that makes a good product
Honestly speaking, the Mercedes Benz manufactured and sold in North America are not the same build quality as Europe...The European standards are much higher.....An American Benz is not a real Benz. They have a manufacturing plant in Vance, Alabama and I wouldn't considered an Alabama Benz to be a real Benz....A real Benz comes from Germany. If your Benz is not coming Germany then it's not a real true benz. A true German Benz will last..... Unfortunately, most of the Benz cars sold in Canada, America, and Latin America are not being built in Germany so the quality will fall and the standards will drop.
Bla bla bla. The European cars are full of the same plastic as the American ones. Stop making excuses
@@WillieFungo dude you live in a Matrix
Won't Put my Bet on Merc
Rather Drive an Accord. Bullet Proof
I would not recommend relying on those now. It’s not just the cvt transmission that has a reputation, the engines are going bad around 100k, no doubt from the turbo chargers that they are putting in these cars
Their customers are only excited about the technology inside the interior and an illuminated star on the front smh
Wrong competition. Get an Acura 😂
@@nikkiknows1545 and the prestige. They still live for old Mercedes which doesn’t exist anymore. The exclusive Mercedes club is gone now too since the used cars are cheap. They used to have very high resale value mid 90s and before. Ppl would pass these down in their families
@@rahimi4762 I wouldn’t touch one. I’m happy for any owner who has one and is happy with it but they don’t suit me at all. Toyota and Honda are kids toys, Acura and Lexus are the same, maybe if it had a standard transmission but my interest runs out. There’s just nothing there that appeals to me or worth my money. Better for someone else
Safety features are useless when they break down and the driver won't know about it until the driver is in the trunk of another car, when I was growing up I was taught to keep my eyes open and on the road, that was the old school Safety feature. Safety features are a way to make the driver lazy and not pay attention to his or her driving
My last vehicle was a Dacia Duster Diesel, it was all I could afford honest!
From new I did 57000 and it ran perfectly!
A what? Never heard of it.
A Dacia Duster, part of the Renault group, built in Romania, sold world wide...I thought it was anyway.
@@crxracer805 typical american xD
@@madhunter6420 hahah
Same here have had the Dacia Logan Mcv from 2016 bought with 7000 miles on it and have done 90000 miles only had to change a wheel bearing good on fuel and Road tax free in the UK for the 1.5dci diesel engine can't complain
Honda Engines hitting 1M miles is Also Common
Bullet Proof
Honda engines hitting that milestone isn’t even a surprise. they make one of the best engines (maybe excluding the 1.5T that they recently started using).
Who really give a $uck
@@monson2121
Opps... ur Comment DISSAPPEARED 🤣🤣
Another consideration that affects the quality of the exterior is the crumple zone for safety. They can't use the heavy metals now like they used to. Also, even car seats are designed to be biodegradable.
IIRC, it was the change to “‘environmentally friendly” paints that caused them to rust so quickly. At least that was their excuse. Most of the other luxury manufacturers didn’t have that problem.
Yikes
Sir I respect Your Knowledge , and please !, I have a Question ?,... What is. Your Honest Opinion about the w140 , S500 , 1995 ,..!??? Thank You ( in terms of quality and reliability !?..)
@@fasilvoilesu1464 - The W140 is considered one of the best Mercedes cars ever built. Maybe one of the best cars ever built by anyone (although I’d argue that honor goes to the Lexus LS400). Same for that generation of E-Class, the W124.
@@ClockworksOfGL no that S Class Lexus took apart is the best car ever built. Lexus copied it to a certain price. mB didn’t built it to no price point back then
@@ClockworksOfGL the MB 190E Diesel is also one of the best cars ever made and better than any Lexus in reliability prestige and gas mileage
It's the same with other manufacturers. If you make a car too reliable you sell fewer cars. Case in point: General Motors. You still see W-body Chevies, Buicks, Pontiacs, etc. from the early 2000s on the road, some of which are over 20 years old, yet the generation of vehicles that came after them are largely sitting on used car lots or rotting in junkyards. That tells you everything you need to know. Building a car that is simple, rugged, reliable, and easy for everyday people to service is the last thing any of these companies want to do.
Lexus?????
@@kenjkbs Lexus vehicle's are beautiful in and out. Have sporty options, have other types of styles to pick from.
That is simply not true! Because if you sell an unreliable car people will trash it and go buy a more reliable car from another manufacturer hence you sell fewer cars. For example, I will never buy a mercedes again, I will buy a toyota instead!!
Keep in mind that a lot of these added plastics and turbos are a result of the government's regulations for higher fuel economy. smaller 4-cylinder engines with turbos for better fuel efficiency numbers. You can't hit the governments numbers without making changes, and remember, the government does not care if you like these changes or NOT!
Thanka
I saw a 2016 C300 with 200k miles for sale recently. It still ran good and looked good.
For how much and where bro?
@@felanylove1895 $9900k, cannot remember location. Somewhere in the US on fb marketplace.
I've had far worse luck with the 1 BMW we've owned so far compared to my 2019 E300 as well as my wife's 2020 GLE350.
I had a W220 S-Class, and I loved it as a driving experience when it worked. The quality of the interior was disappointing with all of the cheap plastic and the finish peeling off of the buttons. There was this quirky drain valve in the air box that would block with the slightest amount of road dust and as water drained in the rain it would fill up until it overflowed through the fan ducting straight into passenger foot well. Good thing there isn't an important onboard computer to keep the car running there...oops. then the plastic plugs in the trunk that fill the taps where the robot would grab on in the factory fell out and my trunk filled with water. Good thing the stereo and battery weren't back there....oops again. I kept it for five years, though, all the way up until its cancer went terminal across multiple panels. Sometimes, I look back with rose coloured glasses at the times it drove well and miss it, but then times like these remind me of how bad the car really was.
Exactly
This was the worst S class. This is when the accountants came in. The S Class before was the best one ever built. It lost money it was so good. Blame Lexus 😂
so... the a220 is not a good buy?
@Clutch Inc. I'm not as familiar as Mark with the ins and outs of this model but I would probably say no, not really. It'll be full of cheap pleather and it won't last the test of time in my opinion. They look great when new but just don't have that robust quality that Merc used to be known for.
@@richarddespres8011 dang... even if i take good care of it? i was thinking of a benz, or a kia k5, or something else for my second car.
Mercedes was undisputably the best built and most reliable cars up until and including through the 80s. Almost every car was benchmarked against it. It seems as though their quality started to suffer around the same time Lexus came onto the scene. It forced Mercedes to do one of two things, either try and compete with Lexus which would mean cost cutting or move up-market, where they should have gone in my opinion.
Yep blame Lexus and the accountants came in. I wish MB was still ran by engineers and had bank vault like quality
is mercedes a220 a good buy
Back in the 1990s Mercedes are expensive for a reason.
Yes it is!
Mercedes were one of the first to put turbos on an engine so believe me when I tell you this, "they know how to make turbo engines last"
Uh huh
Some Mercedes are using Renault engines
I definitely think weight was an issue. If you made a modern mercedes was made with less plastics and more metal, they'd be even heavier. And this would kill fuel economy. Mercedes has been forced into a corner with engineering constraints.
You are right, weight savings can be a good thing in the right places indeed
Calm down. You have mentioned the rocker panel and loudspeaker several times in multiple videos. That doesn’t generally set the quality of a Mercedes. I’ll give you that the use of plastic is horrible in today’s Mercedes. I’ve owned W124, W211, W212, several Sprinters and now I have a W205 from 2019. Mercedes might not be the most reliable, but the style, comfort and safety are the best out there. F**k Toyota, Lexus and Honda….
The quality is not there but I will check the box on style and tech over most of its competitors and that’s largely why we went here over a BMW 3 or 4 series on this round.
My 2018 GLC 300 has now reached 75k miles and is flawless, just brake pads and oil change. It's my everyday car and I drive in heavy urban stop and go traffic. I have had more issues on other cars I have owned.
So?
Its 2018 car it should be like that
The race for technology because of MB competitors, like VW brands and BMW rushed MB to compromise reliability. Add the EPA and it is just another casualty of the new generation of evolving technology. A 1986 190E is but a memory.
5:12 "They are not built like a Sherman tank"... yeah of course. Because German never built a Sherman tank.
Germans built Tiget tanks.
A lot of these points can be said about all modern luxury cars, not just Mercedes. They’re all using turbos, tons of technology, they all have way more failure points, and they’re all loaded with plastics. I’d just go with the MB if I had to pick from the lot 😎. Great video!
Good cars with warranty but resale value.. and idk if worth holding out of warranty
A lot of cars, electronic gear changer’s, push button, Chryslers dial transmission selector, electric emergency brakes, ridiculous! I like the idea of push button start because I don’t own one and never have so it’s new and different to me but when the electric system goes on the brink as it has been known, that’s one more problem that puts the car out of commission
@@xxnicksfresh401xx problem is you pay the car off with the bank and your warranty expires then you trade it in and you are in debt all over again. I guess you got to pick your poison
Yes that is true same with bmw they get such a bad rep but most of the modern cars use a lot of plastic and have the same high tech features. Might as well just pick the car we like.
@@ralphbrown1053 pretty much or just buy cheap junkers but what fun is that right
drove my 15 c63S for almost 9 years put 148000kms been bullet proof
Great cars
63s have different more expensive internals that are better quality than more mass-produced mercedes.
@@4JaayTvold Is better
The main reason is a focus on shareholder returns for the MB shareholders. Historically, MB were a premium product, either for luxury, or service life. When the bean counters figured out they were over-built, the product was dumbed down, and the execs realised they could sell more, for a lower price, and make more money. Snobbery is a bigger part of consumer behaviour now. The desire not to be seen as "cheap"; to buy to impress; to give yourself a boost. In 10 years, there won't be new ICE cars from MBenz. The best thing for the environment is to pressure your local government to provide effective public transport, and then use a 2nd hand car for pleasure.
Brand new 2022 c class broke down in a few months, the engine oil and transmission oil was leaking so badly that the engine almost blew up,no engine light warning,we couldn't believe it 😳
what??? i thought if you take good care of them they will last rlly long
All of them leak oil.
@@clutchinc.7070 stay away from new mercedes cars the built quality is trash,my brother is a mechanic and he investigated the leak and the oil sump is made out of plastic which can warp from heat,even the oil dran plug is plastic,there not built to last,mercedes cutting corners to make money.
@@mickill2 :( even the brand brand new ones? my friends benz lasted 300k miles the whole family. idk why ppl have such mixed reviewss about them :/ they look so nice too. and the interior.
@@mickill2how new is too new?
I have been happy with my 2014 e550 with 90k miles. Mostly serviced at showroom but also rarely an indie Mercedes mech. It's my pride and joy :)
I’ve got a pride & joy e550 also , but an 08. 4matic . With about your same mileage
90k miles is barely broken in. My 01 Camry has over 400k miles on the same motor and transmission. I feel like it's just getting broken in 😂
@@hoopty.
My 5 cars all together don’t add up to 400k miles .
A 1980 , 83 , 90 , 94 , 2008.
@aundrayperkins1712 yea that's impressive but I think we should all have such a car. We have an 08 camry as well that refuses to die but comparing a 4 cylinder to an 8 cylinder twin turbo is a bit silly no?
I bet you look good in it driving it
I'm glad I'm handy with my own repairs. My '05 Ford Escape with a V6 has 200K and all simple repairs I handled myself. I recently inspected the valve train with a V cover removal and not a shred of varnish thanks to my precise oil changes with synthetic. I'm only getting a new car because with aging I need the safety features. I hope I'm doing the right thing.
Dont get a new car sir, your truck is prlly built like a tank, if your makkng a car payment your dumb, hence im dumb, i got a c300 4 matic 2011, i love it but totally unnecessary, 124k miles and now warnjng lights or engine noise, Benz baby
A lesson I've learned from this video: the Germans didn't well-mix together overengineering and cost-cutting.
Pretty much!
@@ECPP I'm glad you confirmed this, because... It seems like my take/interpretation is not a common one you see when talking about the quality, reliability, and durability of modern German cars.
got the car bug a few weeks ago so started my research and this channel has single handedly convinced me to NEVER own a benz
That’s fair. Any other makes on your radar?
Yes sir, I've been eyeballing the Porche Macan!@@ECPP
That is the newer Benz,but that Older ones last and last and last
Knowing how well made hondas Toyota's Lexus and acura are You must have bought a Mercedes so you'd have something to talk about
Haha, there is definitely something to talk about
My 2019 gle 400.. the engine just died. Not even 5 years old yet. Got extended warranty, it expired a few months ago. I was hoping to keep that car for many years.
Big companies now design cars to work for 5 years then it's replacement time! They figured out this way keeps profits up and production up = lower production costs too, meanwhile the banks are so happy with this way too as more loans are released every 5 years meaning more profits for banks!
Plastic, plastic, plastic everywhere.
Doesn't matter how you manufacturer it, it's susceptible to degrading over time from constant heat and stress. It amazes me they continue to make key engine components from it when in the past they were metal.
Every manufacturer now just wants thier products to last to the warrenty.
Notice now that manufacturers never talk about the quality long term quality.
Remember when
" Quality was job one. "
" Like a rock. "
Today " Bad, Low and Poor quality is job one."
Can't put off repairs on those types of vehicles. Before turning into an endless money pit.
The X164 is a beast. Very reliable. Once maintained it lasts a long time. She’s almost at 200k miles 💙
I had a W116 Mercedes 280S and it was built like a Sherman Tank with relatively NO mechanical issues! But as Mercedes Benz change the production in later generations (W201 and later) it cut corners with parts, metals, and additional materials makes them less reliable to last for over 100000 miles…
Benz rule them all
Peak was 2004-2010 for cars. Since then too much unnecessary tech.
@@KingofInterns You mentioned years were two (2) different generations was made: W220 & W221… Which model are you talking about?
@Jerry Weaver s class was too complicated back then already. Also W220 like w203 had rust issues pre face lift in the early naughties. 2004 onwards this issue was fixed
Most reliable mercedes would be for me any of the face-lift w203, a208, r171 cars. AMG versions of those also had the most reliable v8 of all time in the NA m113. Best balance of good build quality, enough tech but not too much and bullet proof drive train
@@KingofInterns Thank you for the clarification…I agree with you on the rust problems…The W220 was the last time the gear shift was on the floor & then Mercedes moved it to the steering column (big mistake)…Overall the W220 had many other problems as well…IMO the W221 is the last appealing built Mercedes…
I owned an audi and a BMW, 10+ years old.. Basically you can't destroy this cars.. I think we should teach the consumers to buy for the long run
Sooooo my question is , why do people buy these vehicles that are built cheap but look good and a status issue ?
i wanna get one
Yup, From My Past Experiences With These Cars, Your Analogies Are Absolutely OnPoint ! In Fact, I Often Use The Term, Two Arms & Two Legs. 🤣🤣🤣
I had a c280 , great Mercedes, had over 270 thousand miles. Very reliable. I drive a BMW and still missing my Mercedes. My kids keep asking when I going to get another one. They love it more than my new x3
bro 270k??
Your reasoning for owning this is the same reason I own a new car. But I own an antique car too. My old car might give me more problems but I also get the sense I'll still be driving it when my new car is bricked. Simply because the newer car is likely to give me problems related to fragile build quality and computer gremlins, whereas the old car is more likely to give me problems I can solve with a screwdriver and a can of WD40.
Back in the days, marriages lasted, hardly any stories about adultery. Now it's the opposite. Women dont last long in marriages, and men dont take responsibility and commitment.
Cars, same issues. After three years of driving, get ready for issues.
Not with a lexus 😊
The solution for these problems is too lease, not buy, high end cars.
hi , should i buy a 2020 44k miles Merecedes glc 300 ? without warranty because im buying from infiniti dealer
YES go for it ! I bought a 2018 glc and it’s been very reliable
I was thinking about buying a Mercedes, thank you for the educative content. You saved me time and possible disaster I would experience if I bought one. I would love to gear more about reliable bmw and "audi " . I want to make a good decision and be happy with my next car purchase.
Hah
BM n Audi Reliability is Even Worse
Practically A Nightmare
if you genuinely care about reliability, then japanese luxury brands are your only option. lately, german luxury brands have only made piles of crap
Get a Lexus or Acura
@@tomkushal1204
Ditto
Lexus or Acura
If your looking at buying a premium German luxury, do your research on the model and year for any issues. They certainly will cost more to maintain and the reliability isn’t up to the Japanese premium cars standards, however there are a lot of European specialists garages that are cheaper than main dealers for service. My advice is research on the forums e.g MB world, Bimmerfest. Make an informed decision about your future purchase. 👍🏾
Thanks for the video bro. Where did you get your seat covers?
Amaz--
@@ECPP ok thanks.
First to comment!
Now my life is complete and I can die fulfilled because I have crossed this off my "BUCKET LIST"...
The points you are mentioning from 7:50 min onwards is not only related to Mercedes. Any additional subsystem and feature that is added to any modern car can be a point of failure, regardless of the brand.
I think the w212 is an exception though. I have a w212 from 2011, had to go off-road and hit the bumper twice. Nothing came loose everything was fine.
E350?
The W212 is built to last.
That can't be right Mark...it's BMW's that are unreliable surely 🤭
Mercedes is trying their best to beat BMW. In which automotive co can produce the. Absolutely worst vehicle ever.
@@ariesmight6978 I love hearing people trash mercs.
@Nel Zelpher To tell you the truth Nel Zlpher. If Mercedes executives said. Let's provide everyone in the world. With our highest quality vehicles. And our vehicles at a fair market price. Honda, Mercedes, As well as Toyota. Would all be battling for the #1 spot of highest quality vehicle. But as Mark has already. Mentioned in his video. Mercedes has already accomplished winning that position. The executives just chose to give it up. And give it up by a mind puzzling very far.
Bmw place 3rd in the most reliable cars of 2022 mercedes placed last.
@mickill2 With Honda placing 4Th¿¿ The size of the bribe that BMW awarded. The owners of consumer reports. Was nothing less then ASTRONOMICAL!! Which explains the high volume of plastic parts. Throughout their cars.
Junk should be advertised as junk. Sold at a fair price as junk should be!!
The Mercedes C class is a cheap entry level car. If you go for the E class you'll have a much better experience.
What do you suggest, if you want to buy a Mwrcedes that is reliable and not as old as w124 ??
What do you think about w204 ???
204 is great and generally a well maintained unit can run solidly for a long time. AmG wins the race but just watch for poor service history, rust potential and accident history. Other than that, good to go
I know you have a C 300 with the M274 engine (I have a 2019 E 300). Are you concerned about that cracking piston issue? Im kind of worried
Hi, I am not worried because the percentage is still fairly low and stick with premium fuel and up the odds.
I wasn't worried until last week. Premium fuel since day one. All services were done at MB. Now I have a car running on 3 cylinders with a cracked piston in cylinder #1. MB quoted $21K to fix it. That’s more than the car is worth at the moment. The bottom line is the engines in modern cars should not have catastrophic engine failure at 60K
MB is dishonest and turning a blind eye to a lot of M274 engine owners. The percentage is not that minimal anymore as there’s a class action lawsuit in California and there’s an open investigation by NHTSA into this matter as well.
I completely lost confidence in the brand after learning that Mercedes Benz is withholding crucial information from its customers regarding the premature engine failure on the M274 engines.
The incorrectly sized or otherwise unsuitable wrist pin causing mechanical engine damage should have been disclosed to all owners so they could make an informed decision regarding their future with this particular engine in multiple MB cars.
@@GPNowak what year and model is your car?
How about the new ‘23 GLC suv Mark. Any good for purchase if I change out oil and service more often as you’ve described in previous. basically doubling up services with the one recommended service. Thoughts ?? Thanks for what you do.
Maybe don't buy the cheaper class, and when comparing compare each class with its own class only. My 05 E55 was very solid, heavy nice doors solid all around. Now my 2018 E63s has been great!
I don't know man, the 2011 C63 AMG was built 12 years ago and they're still solid and insane. I don't think every modern Benz was built just to last 3 years
That’s fair
That’s why we tend to buy Japanese brands who refuse to b be affected by the environmentalists.
If I had a spare 10k I'd buy a 79 300d in a heart beat there are thousands of those babies still driving around, I prefer substance over style, lately I've been looking at the 6cly late model Toyota sienna , the 4cly hybrid has great mpg but no power
U can get substance and style by buying a Volvo, Acura . Gone are the days when Mercedes was both
I had to get a module replaced in my vw like 4 months after I bought it 😂 and then the cylinder head at 6 months 😂
I have this same Mercedes. I am fully happy with it. Dont forget that cars todays are cheaper than before(with inflation)
Thanks
My 2010 e class coupe. Bulletproof and will keep only 139,000 miles…. My 2009 SL 550 bulletproof basically only water pump brakes and tires and a rebounder for the suspension twice …. 92,000 milesI will keep these and go into the future and not get a 2020 e coupe 450 as they seem to be shit.
Is the 2017-18 e class reliable? I’m looking at the e300
Thank you for the heads-up on both Mercedes and BMW.
Thanks
The big reason classic Mercedes rusted out was because of the plasticized vinyl undercoating they used and where some body seams were located and how they sealed them.
That's what happens when the old generation of Germany 🇩🇪 engineers retire. Because the world schooling going to crap the car's are going to crap.
Indeed
I own a 2020 Mercedes Benz S560 4Matic and I haven't had any issues with it. I follow the routine maintenance schedule, I have three full inspection point papers that indicate it is in perfect health. My friend owns a 2012 Mercedes Benz S550 4Matic and he only had to replace the alternator. Mind you he has close to 120,000 miles. I have close to 40,000 and bought it after a lease. Yes, I am aware of the reliability, talked to S Class and AMG owners, and scoured through consumer reviews from different sites. I didn't have any malfunction or electrical issues, but I do know a certified MB mechanic that I trust.
hey i was thinking of getting a benz a220. can you tell me your experience? ppl in the comments with persona experiences scare me.
@@clutchinc.7070I bought a 22 a 220 and I put 30,000 miles on it so far nothing has failed me yet. This was my first Mercedes now I can comfortably say they are just as good as any other car I would definitely get one
@@highlymedicated2438 30000 is relativley new tho. i hear they have issues after 50k usually. im glad you ike it so far!
All of Germany has gone down the crapper, including products made in Germany like Mercedes, Audi, BMW, VW
Totally overpriced for low-quality vehicles.
Lexus can get reliability at same price so no reason Mercedes can't--they just won't.
True
Thats why i drive a BMW 540i with a B58 engine!! #3 in Consumer reports!!
anything is reliable if you drive it once a month. try driving that bmw everyday and see what repairs you’ll need.
@@mattiaslp9645 X3 M40i with the B58 engine. Daily driver driving all around. 60K+ miles. No issues yet
@@mattiaslp9645 so is getting a benz not good
Great video, as always!
What ste your thoughts on '21 and later c43 AMG? It seems like a worthy competitor to BMW M340i.
I have one from 2008, six cylinders, engine and transmission no issues but just about anything else has been replaced since. Living in Northeast where the climate is hard on a car and rust unavoidable despite best efforts. Also the rear frame will rust but luckily MB now has it as a factory recall and will change it for free.
Covered a lot of durability analysis at breathtaking speed with your own car. After Mercedes sold Chrysler in 2007 the quality of cars like my SL went up with engineering faults eliminated. Even the audio systems got much better [Harman Kardon vs. Bose]. Next generation of R231 SL's to a quality nose dive. Dashboards were a squeak fest. Door storage compartments no longer locked. Even the spare tire was eliminated.
You are spot on.
In everything you said.
Thank you
So 10 or 12 years isn’t long enough for a power plant be it gasoline or diesel to last without needing some major service or replacement? How long should the engine last 20 years 25 years? @13:25
Once upon a time, Mercedes Benz was the last word in luxury, quality and reliability. Not now.
Have a 2020 S560. All of these same features. No issues. "point of possible failure"... Dude, EVERY SINGLE damned modern car has all the same potential failure points.
Well
Got me scared for a minute. Had my Glc300 17 since late 2016 and I only got 19K miles on it. I don’t do unnecessary driving. Plan on keeping it until for while. One thing I can say the engine never loses power very strong boost.
any issues?
@@clutchinc.7070 nope all running good 19,790 miles. Don’t think I’m hitting 21,000 this year.
@@GeoFavTech so it has issues only at 21k??
@@clutchinc.7070 not sure hope not.
It has a reliable motor I hit 91 thousand miles without issues
Question:
Everybody has been talking about how turbochargers are bad for the engine and they have intercoolers, etc. why did the older Mercedes turbodiesels last forever without intercoolers?
Turbo's are not bad. Its the engineering and implementation of them. Look at the 80's you had lots of cars with turbos, turbo intercooled, etc. but there were plenty like ford merkur brand that both engines (turbo and na) which were just as unreliable.
Then you had Audi with SOLID turbo engines but the injection systems were not tolerant of minor issues.
Turbos are VERY reliable when implemented well, and cared for.
The same can be said about an old school mechanical camera. If its built great it lasts, but only if its cared for.
Long story short, quality oil, dont abuse it, and care for it.
New car interiors are designed to photograph well, because tiktok and instagram. Old car interiors touch and feel well. I'm thinking 90s Mercedes interiors vs the newest interiors which photograph well, but are made of cheap chromed plastic, crunchy, and scratch very easily.
What about the Mercedes C400 with a v6 petrol engine ( M-276) apparently a bulletproof engine if maintained correctly. Any news on this engine?
I have 2012 mercedes E350 no problem at all till now
The w212 s are still pretty good mines 11 years old and looks like new..
Thanks
My grandparents had a Mercedes from the 80s I love how this car was so much, I always wanted to buy one just bought my first merc c350 2012 amazing car
I just bought a GL550 and I love it!!
German car have been bad for the last 20 years and are getting worse every year. We stopped buying years ago
indeed
My 2003 clk55 amg is still old school tough as nails.
Tanks
I wouldn't buy a new Mercedes. But I got an incredible find a few months ago. A Mercedes van with an OM6xx engine! One of the most famous reliable engines.
My dad had a 2007 CLS500. That was a very troublesome car even at just 4 years old.
Yikes. Thanks for sharing
You guys are making up a narrative that hasa heavy element of rose tinted glasses about the old cars. We in Europe still know how German Taxi drivers went on striks in front of the Mercedes factory in Stuttgart, cause of all the quality issue with the early w124 in 1985. They were also very nostalgic back then about the "bulletproof old benz" predecesor w123 and hated the new car "ruined by computer". Sounds familiar? Yeah, it happens every time. Early cars have birthing issues, people start remmebering how facelifted verions of the previous models were extremely reliable. It happened with w210, w211, w212, w213... Always the same story.
Point is: cars are more reliable each generation. 80s mercedes cars had huge problems with electronic injecton, rust, haskets etc. But nobody remember that anymore. People tend to only remember the "fixed" facelifted versions of each model while they lament early adopter models deficiency.
Yeah you aren't kidding, while vacation in Wrightwood, CA this week, I had heard some bolt like noise coming from the rear tire. When I was checking it, I didn't find anything wrong. As a precautionary thing, I took it to Wrightwood Auto Services, they too couldn't find it but charged me $65. Had I had a nail, bolt or screw, it would have been $30. So that does add quickly at a dealership.
Thanks for sharing
Also, repeat customer is very good for business. As with most consumer items, companies don't sell quality, they sell on legacy perception and current hype.
My mom has a 2007 clk 550 it impresses me how good it runs still. It's got solid speed too 450 hp.