Classics Summarized: The Oresteia
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I recall that the reason Athena was so persuaded by Apollo's argument is because she herself was born from Zeus, with no mother of her own.
Makes sense.
And then leto is like "um, the fuck?"
@@mattrosen5235i thought she got absorbed
Actually, Zeus absorbed Metis, the original goddess of wisdom who is pregnant with Athena. I was surprised that Apollo defended the dude with the dad matters. His literal mother is the Goddess of Motherhood…..
Metis be like...
Fun Fact: This play was performed in 408 B.C. and one guy who played Orestes messed up SO famously, that multiple famous greek poets shamed him for it.
While Orestes is being tormented by the furies, he believes his sister is gonna kill him, but then he gets a hold of himself and says,
“After a storm, again I see a calm sea.”
But the actor instead said,
“After a storm again, I see a weasel.”
Way to go, Hegelochus. 👏👏
In my elementary school nativity play I played an angel and I stammered on purpose to look cute so who’s to say he didn’t do that to get well known
Honestly me too
the storm weasel approaches
if fucking up royally is a way to get your name in the history books i’m doing good for myself
It is hilarious at first, but when you look into how this one screw up impacted his career and livelihood, it gets real sad.
I mean... I can understand how Athena might be persuaded by the argument of "Well, only the Father matters", given how she literally sprung from her father's forehead and her mother is part of her father.
She must have felt really silly, afterwards, when she found out how reproduction usually works.
The results for today’s battle: Athena loses… Some of her innocence.
I believe Apollo actually cites that incident as a part of his argument that mothers aren't actually necessary for reproduction. Talk about buttering up the judge...
@@AnNguyen-sm4bu Thank you, you beautiful person! Best. Comment. Ever.
I like the idea Athena, Goddess of wisdom and all, have absolutely no idea how where babies come from and how does reproduction work
"Such odd little creatures, mortals..."
I love how two of the Furies are just like "Ugh, really?" with the trial and put in minimal effort, while the third is TOTALLY INTO IT. It's adorable. :)
Yes dear, you can keep the suit. It looks good on you.
@@thundercrash4775 centuries later she still wears the suit
I think I know now where Vanripper got the inspiration for HellTaker and the theme of daemon girls in suits.
Do you think she wears the suit in Dante's inferno
@@the-starlit-blade something that expensive and adorable? Absolutely!
I like the super hyped Fury in the suit. Someone has clearly been waiting her entire life for a chance to shout "OBJECTION!".
I blame EH for reading it as "furry in the suit"
predecessor to helltaker
@@thegamingdeku lol, I was reading about that game XD
I'm wondering which Fury it was, Alecto, Megaera or Tisiphone.
I'm thinking that it's not Alecto, who is "anger"
@@elizacody9409 I think it’d be Tisiphone, whom centers on jealousy. Given her demurish personification, I could see her feeling jealous of her sisters and this try to look more professional so as to compensate.
Wait, but if Agamemnon got pass for murdering family because the gods ordered it, wouldn't his son get a pass as well as Apollo basically ordered him to?
From what I can tell, they were in the middle of a war. And the gods are a sucker for a good bloodbath. While killing off a member in the family when part of said family, regardless of what happened prior, is a big no no.
Gods have opinions, wishes and egos too. (And hypocracy) if you ignore the god like (tehe) power, then they are just like humans.
I think what happened was that Zeus along with most of the other Olympians wanted agamemnon to sacrifice his daughter, but in this case the only one who wanted his son to commit matricide was Apollo
I always believed that the Gods told Agamemnon to murder his daughter as a test to see if he's really willing to do anything to go to war.
@@thezeitos469 The Greek Gods in particular are "only human" after all.
They are mythological excuses for people to do what they always wanted to do. Because hey: "If it works for hte gods, surely it can not be wrong for mortals."
Of course, that raises the question if Zeus only has that many children because of the "Sonic Fandom" effect or because he is the excuse for sleeping around.
"Women are basically just walking uteruses"...
and this happens in Athens.
Yeah you can practically smell Athenian biases all over this one.
That's only Aeschylus' version of the mith. According to Euripides, Orestes and Electra were condemned to death by a court in Mycenae and saved by the intervent of Menelaus, that persuaded (or forced at swordpoint) the Myceneans to give them a year of exile instead.
It was not game over however, since Orestes was still persecuted by the furies and ,in order to escape them, he was ordered by Apollo to go to Tauris, carry off the statue of Artemis which had fallen from heaven, and to bring it to Athens. In Tauris Orestes found his lost sister, Iphigenia, taken away from sacrifice by Artemis and rised as one of his priestess, was saved by her, and returned with her and the statue to Mycenae, so reuniting what was left of the family and finally being freed from the persecution.
There are other versions as well.
Aeschylus' turned it into an advertising for Athen's legal system. Even if the goal was not much to declare the inferiority of the mother over the father (mind that half of the jury did not agree, even with Apollo as the defense attorney), but that, as the Romans would have said "in dubio pro reo", when the votes of the judges are evenly divided, mercy must prevail.
@Lonestareconomics Let's avoid using the word "progressive" when talking about anything prior to the 18th century, at least in the modern sense. Euripides didn't parade with "Give women more rights" amphoras in the agora; he was just less of a blatant mysoginist than Aeschylus. Progressivism is a modern concept, born with the Enlightenment (in the West, I mean). Ancient historical or mythological figures may have traits or do things that seem progressive to us, from our contemporary standpoint, but the criteria at the time weren't at all the same; thus, it's just as incorrect to call Euripides "progressive" as it is to call a medieval king "patriotic" or "nationalist". Those concepts or labels just didn't exist at the time and people's mindsets didn't include the thought process behind them.
@@samrevlej9331
I can see that, especially since keeping in mind our ability to have contemporary discussions about progressivism involve improvements in technology and improving time/cultural gaps when communicating long distances. While a lot of ancient times aren't really that out of the loop with technological pursuits, such as many cultures had long been into studies of astronomy and math, the Enlightenment and Industrial Revolution were huge steps compared to most ancient studies in Western culture(such as how blood-letting is thankfully no longer the catch-all cure for everyone as it used to be).
I guess most people tend to compare historical figures with modern stuff to help establish a human connection in some way to people long gone and distant, so that they'd feel like real people that existed (or, in the case of mythology, an understanding on how ancient people observed the world around them). It's built into us as humans to apply traits we connect to due to our intelligence as a species being high enough to recognize patterns (part of why anthropomorphism and animism being a thing).
I should give a heads up that this is mostly me theorizing based on what little history/psychology/social science that I know/heard of. And apologies about the long paragraph, my information may be shaky at best, so I definitely encourage anyone with the patience to read this to fact-check anything I typed...
@@Scarshadow666 No, I feel like you're right. I'm also just spouting stuff based on what I learned, that's what the Internet is for, don't worry :).
@@neutronalchemist3241 Isn't that the fool who died when an eagle dropped a tortoise on his bald, shiny head? Seems appropriate he die such a humiliating death.
Me: *hears that she wasn't really his mother* "Oh cool he's gonna say that since she do any motherly things to him and was super mean she couldn't really be called his mother and thus it wasn't matricide."
Apollo: "Mothers are just walking foetus incubators."
I'm using this argument instead so I don't have to touch Aeschylus' ideas with a 29.5 ft pole
Apollo the first sexist
Persephone, Athena, Artemis, and literally every mother ever:“This is why nobody likes you Apollo. “
@@firemarioproductions2003 dude are you living under a rock !! majority of people love apollo because he is great ! You know this oreste thing is a play a work of fiction . why will athena not like apollo oh , maybe because one time she helped him and to honour her he made her a temple , why wouldn't Artemis love her twin because he has always been there for her , slewed orion who could rape her and persephone who is called the godess of spring and flowers when you know apollo being the god of sunlight makes her flower bloom and so you see HOW GREAT HE IS ! If you look outside the myths you'd know how WIDELY CHERISHED HE IS BECAUSE HE DESERVE IT and final note : for the sake of argument he might think mother is not a real parent to the child but if you look into his myths he is so extra and over protective of his mother . He slewed a python who tried to rape her mother and how much he cares for his sister and lovers ( YES HE HAS MANY MANY MANY HAPPY LOVE STORIES THAT JERKS DON'T MENTION) . He makes sure her pregnant wives don't go through pain and he raises his children and teaches them and is basically the patron of woman .
@@dandeodelacruz3771 must be living under a rock ! a sexist ?? How ?? In myths you'll come across his effeminate nature and how he often dresses somewhat like a girl . he deeply cares for his mother, sister and lovers and his children and if you know his Oracle of Delphi had a priestess ( she was a girl from lower caste ) now tell me how is a sexist . I'd like to believe this play is a work of fiction not meant to be taken seriously 🙏
Okay I know they are LITERAL DEMONS but honestly the furies were so cute as prosecuters, especially the third one with the suit
ikr! Someone write a book about Furies dressed in suits pls
Uh, whoever does end up doing this, don't get the wrong idea. That's *furies* , with one 'r'.
Now I want a wacky comedy about a Greek commoner who fell in love with one of the furies and try his darndest to win her heart.
I think it's a reference to Percy Jackson where one of the Furies dresses like a lawyer
I... miss read that as furries
I like to think that after the trial, Lito called up Apollo and was like, "gee, thanks for telling everyone that everything I did for you means nothing. Yeah, love you too son."
“No more sun-shaped sugar cookies for you.”
"I didn't suffer from labor pains on an island so tiny it didn't even count as one for you go out say I was useless in the whole endeavor."
@@merrittanimation7721 Fun fact: said "island" was actually the body of one of her friends, a titaness, laying down on the ocean.
No, I don't know where on her body Leto hid that she was out of direct sunlight, but I have about three guesses.
"i hope you never get married"
Dick Francesco To be fair, Apollo’s attitude toward motherhood in this story is the complete polar opposite of his portrayal in the story of Niobe. In that story, during a festival in Thebes in honor of Leto, Niobe gets all pissy that people are honoring Leto instead of her, and goes on to boast that she herself is superior to Leto who only had 2 children as opposed to Niobe’s 14. Apollo and Artemis were so pissed off that they proceeded to kill all of Niobe’s sons and daughters respectively, and in some versions Apollo takes it a step further by killing Niobe’s husband as well when he tried to avenge the children’s deaths.
So based on what we see of Apollo in both stories, I’m inclined to guess that maybe his attitude toward motherhood isn’t so much “moms don’t matter” but rather “moms only matter if they’re goddesses/heroes and/or if their children are gods/heroes; if they’re plain old mortals with plain old mortal offspring, not so much’.
Clytemnestra took an axe
Gave her husband 30 whacks
When she saw what she had done
She gave Cassandra 31.
That works out rhythmically so well it’s suspicious.
Yes
Cassandra my poor little meow meow
What are you trying to say Orestes was wrong? It's a Greek tragedy no one is innocent and everyone has fervent vices. I like the character of Agamemnon despite disagreeing with many of his tenets and values. Mainly because he is almost always forced to interact with punishments and issues brought forth by the gods/omnipotent supernaturalism almost like a curse. In which human choices are very limited. I think it's unfair to pick sides on characters based off your moral compass besides that of resonating. If we wanna be honest Clytememstra and Aegisthes were just as evil and good characters as Agamemnon. Orestes and Electra seemed to have less characteristics of hubris, lack of humility, hate, and bitterness as the generation before them. I seriously don't get these weird Ass comments trying to paint the Ancient Greeks as evil savages as if The Trojans, Roman's and albeit any other civilization didn't have massive flaws and cultural/societal vices.
@@Melly-mu6pyShut it spammer.
“Women are nothing more than walking incubators.” -Apollo/Athens
Me, a random dude in the 21st century: “And this is why I pick the Spartans over the Athenians in Assassin’s Creed Odyssey.”
Well, in ancient Sparta the only citizens who could have a tombstone after their death were the warriors, and the women who died during childbirth, because for them both had perished in a important fight and deserve it.
@@dannagonetofar7352 It's like with the Norse, in which the only ones who could enter Valhalla were warriors who died valiantly and women who died during childbirth.
@@AnimeboyIanpower what about the farmer's
@@dandeodelacruz3771 Many of the Norse warriors were farmers. They'd spend part of the year farming and part of it going a viking.
@@Charlesscul oooooohhhh
For some reason, I can totally imagine Athena getting really excited and holding law-courts at every opportunity.
A Bird Lover Lol, me too XD
Hermes: "All right, which one of you us-damned bastards ate my golden apple?! I was saving that!
(Rattling wood off camera)
Hermes: "...Athena, we don't need a cour-"
Judge Athena, presiding: "Nope, too late, already got the jurybox out."
Zeus: OH COME ON DO I REALLY HAVE TO DO THIS EVERY TIME SOMEONE COMPLAINS ABOUT ME FLIRTING WITH HIS WIFE?
Athena: Sit down, Dad.
@@obsidironpumicia4074 I now need this. Someone make an anime/webseries from this. This sounds amazing.
@@rogerogue7226 Well, someone already made one with Jesus and Buddha, so only time will tell.
"Zeus, honey, why _exactly_ do you constantly have affairs behind my back?"
"Have you seen two-thirds of the male population?! THEY'RE ALL GAY! Hell, even Hercules (Heracles, eh, tomato, to-mah-to) is gay! I'm performing divine sexual intervention!"
Although I disagree with Apollo's argument about women being foetus incubators, but gotta give credit to him for using this in front of Athena who's basically her 'daddy's girl' .
Yeah, not only was she not born from a woman, but she was a virgin goddess, so was more or less regarded as one of the boys anyway. It's probably the only way that Athena being a goddess of war and wisdom made any kind of sense for Athens, given their remarkable misogyny.
@@theholyduck5520 I mostly agree, except for the 'remarkable misogyny part', Athens was not remarkably misogynistic for the time period. Misogyny was, quite sadly, the rule not the exception. And the only society to actually treat their women alright was Sparta...at the cost of pretty much any other kind of basic human right for nonspartans. You were better off being a slave woman in Athens then you were in Sparta, that's for sure.
@@windrose5988 True. I didn't really mean it was particularly remarkable for the time, I just meant how weird the situation is looking at it from the outside. I'm sure it made perfect sense to the Athenians.
@@windrose5988 what do you mean misogyny is the rule? The Norse, Mongolian, and the Egyptian weren't misogynistic at all. There's probably other places that weren't misogynistic too but I can't think of them right now
@@hoddtoward5220 No...they were. Generally speaking they were way less than nations like Greece(Which was quite a bit more extreme even when compared to Rome) but the idea that true gender equality was widespread in the past is esentially just bullshit enforced by people with modern agendas which want to show just how "terrible" our current society is. They're utterly unuanced views of the way those socities operated and their womens' place in it.
Wait, so at no point did anyone look at Apollo and go "You ordered this, so that makes this a divine order. His father got a pass for that, so what makes this different?"
if you read Odyssey (written around 6BC-7BC) you'll find oreste killed aegisthus ( clymenstra secret boyfriend) because aegisthus killed agammenon whereas *in* *oreste* , *a* *tragedy* written around *4BC* by *aeschyles* *clymenstra* killed agammenon and oreste killed clymenstra earning the wrath of furies and Apollo advocates for him.
aeschyles *changed the story line for purpose of entertainment and through Apollo pushed his misogynistic views . Apollo never said those words* aeschyles is *infamous* for his *biased* treatment of woman in his writing . even the myth of cassandra being *cursed* is *invented* by aeschyles in his play (agammenon). *Fyi 6-7 BC > 4BC*
The Furies actually do more or less make that argument in the play, and it's part of what leads to even more hyper-misogynistic arguing by Apollo and Orestes.
So, by my understanding...
The Iliad: Troy Story
The Odyssey: Troy Story 2
The Oresteia: Troy Story 3, the ending of a complete story
The Aeneid: Troy Story 4, the unnecessary addition written much later
Oresteia: Troy spin-off
Aeneid: Troy 3 Reborn
Iphigenia: Buzz Lightyear
The Oresteia is the spin off prequel to the Odyssey bc the story of A's death is recounted to Telemachus either by Nestor of Pylos or Menelaus of Sparta during books 1-4 of the Odyssey, meaning it comes earlier in the timeline
Like it, but I've found a fifth! In the 12th Century Geoffrey of Monmouth wrote the Historia Regum Britanniae (History of British Kings) in which he claimed that Aeneus's grandson 'Brutus' went sailing around before eventually arriving in Britain, killing a few giants and settling there to found London and a line of pre-Saxon kings, including Arthur. It forms a key part of the 'Matter of Britain' medieval literature snd was considered history by the British until about the 18th century!
@@livrowland171 now we need Brutus' grandson to found America and we've caught ourselves up to the modern(ish) day!
"Can I keep the suit?"
Man, for ruthless, bloodthirsty spirits of bitter vengeance, you sure made the Furies hella adorable! XD
i know right?! that fury is just adorable in her little suit
Lol, in Percy Jackson they look like old hags who do nothing but crochet giant socks which I just realized that I got them wrong and am speaking about the three Fates. But Rick Riordans version do make them look quite hideous with bat wings and the faces of hags lol!!
We need to make a petition to have her be a host , like Blue and Red. XD
Ikr
I need merch of that Fury (even though I probably won’t be able to buy it)
I've seen this twice now and just realized Apollo has Apollo Justice hair...godamn it
Coolestninja1242 took me the third watch to see it
I noticed first time and I flipped out.
I just noticed that
Coolestninja1242
..Ship edgewright..
And hate life later..
Oh...my....god
"The furies are deeply uncomfortable with this whole prosecution business" Then why does Megara look so cute in that suit?
Megaera, Tisiphone, and Alekto all rock
How can you tell it’s Megara?
They look the same? How do you know it’s megeara? That could be tisisphone for all you know.
@@Tsukiakari-qb3tk red can make anything attractive
@@mohammedyousef4005. That is her gift.
Poor Cassandra, she was basically the world's whipping girl right up to the end. Heck, Clytemnestra basically kills her for being KIDNAPPED by Agnemnon, what the hell! (Probably misspelled some of those names along the way)
And to make it worse, during the destruction of Troy, she was raped by Ajax the Lesser inside of Athena's temple, where she was seeking protection. He did get punished though, as Athena went out of her way to kill him for what he did, though he was ironically killed by Poseidon in the end.
Yea honestly i don't feel too bad for Clytemnestra
One one hand, yea Agnemnon was awful and as bad as the Greek Gods in the Trojan War
But She did show herself to be pretty vindictive and a pretty bad mother
@@decoral Ajax the Greater was disappointed in his Lesser
@@clownitecultistq1515 not exactly a bad mother, but not the best, If she didn't treated Elecktra as a slave and sent Orestes to another kingdom, Aegisthus would have both children killed, also in some readings, Agamemnon killed Clytemnestra's first husband and baby child (she was literally breasfeeding the baby when Agamemnon took the child from her arms and threw it really hard agaisnt the floor, killing it instantly) and took her a wife against her will.
Imo she avenged 2 innocent lives (her newborn and Iphigenia). All plays end up making Agamemnon's life (a murderours rapist) more important than of two innocent lives.
@@decoral why did he kill him? Only he can do that? 😂
There are some cool extra details about Cassandra - previously, she had had sex with Apollo (it was kind of probably rape, depending on who's telling the story) and she pushed Apollo out of her before he could climax, so, he cursed her to the fate that she reaches in the Oresteia, which is part of why she knows what's happening.
Given Apollo's role in the end and his argument that women are not required for life, and only helpful as nurses (emphasized by the repression of the aggressive furies into the passive nurse-like eumenides), with Athena as a prime example since she was born out of Zeus' head, the Oresteia is essentially the story of how Apollo got upset that a woman denied him giving his seed, so he orchestrated this entire plot that resulted in officially removing all women from their perceived role in reproduction and establishing a strict, governmentally enforced, patriarchy.
So, yeah... feel free to use that for your english papers, everybody
So Apollo did everything right?
It was rather tame in comparison what zeus or hera usually do.
Pat Healy And yet they make Hades the bad guy -_-
Yay graphical
Pretty much
I love how ace attorney named 2 of its characters after the 2 gods who created the court system
I just realized that while watching this video and it felt like a slap to the face but like, I should honestly expect it at this point
Damn that's deep
Holy crap and they are the other protagonists
What are their names?
@@ametsunami4070 Apollo Justice and Athena Cykes
Or:
How Apollo Nerfed the Furies With Sexism
if you read Odyssey (written around 6BC-7BC) you'll find oreste killed aegisthus ( clymenstra secret boyfriend) because aegisthus killed agammenon whereas *in* *oreste* , *a* *tragedy* written around *4BC* by *aeschyles* *clymenstra* killed agammenon and oreste killed clymenstra earning the wrath of furies and Apollo advocates for him.
aeschyles *changed the story line for purpose of entertainment and through Apollo pushed his misogynistic views . Apollo never said those words* aeschyles is *infamous* for his *biased* treatment of woman in his writing . even the myth of cassandra being *cursed* is *invented* by aeschyles in his play (agammenon). *Fyi 6-7 BC > 4BC*
I just realized that Apollo’s hair in the trail is the same style as Apollo Justice from Phoenix Wright, and that both of Phoenix’s protégés are named Apollo and Athena ( in the localized version ) .
and also the music in the trial segment is from AA4, Apollo Justice's game
"Can I keep the suit?"
Toxic dont fit me
That was kind of adorable :3
Yes
Okay... it's old, but it must be said...
Getting late and tired, eyes starting to goop from too much staring at text and crap on this thing... I'd just about sworn it read, "Can I keep the shit"...
Now, laugh, damn you all! Just go ahead and make me some kinda meme or something! ;o)
And she looks so cute in it too.
4:12
*Furi #1:* (thinking) What the f*ck is this thing on my neck...?
*Furi #2:* (to Furi #3) Why in Hades are you dressed like that...?
*Furi #3:* They don't allow monsters in the defense attorney legal system, so punisher of Hades was the next bet; but I will be damned if I don't dress like I have my dream job!
Furi #3 is best girl
"Dress for the job you want, not the job you have."
Cute
she's so aspiring in her job
4:30 I'm no lawyer, but Apollo missed the oppurtunity to say "OBJECTION!"
The fact that Clytemnestra slapped the kindly ones awake to chase Orestes is just such a power move.
1:07 SHE'LL KILL US ALL!
1:12 AND ONLY HE DESERVES IT!
Peteman12 poor Cassandra
1:15 OH GEE WHAT A SHOCK
Man Cassandra gets crap from almost everybody, she's like the greek equivalent of Meg from Family Guy XD
@@SuperStarM64 Cassandra: She's going to kill us!
Agamemnon: Shut up, Cass.
4:12 The Fury on the right looks really into being a lawyer. It's actually kind of cute.
I'm getting helltaker flashbacks
@@agentdon1760 Me too.
Alekto. She does lawyers and pre algebra teachers very well.
"Mothers are just walking fetus incubators."
That *REALLY* didn't age well in 2022
That argument is so easily countered with “Then Fathers are nothing more than walking sperm injectors. What’s your point?”
“We’re not SUPPOSED to be rooting for her” this sign can’t stop me
mood
Considering the mother is the parent you can't dispute while the father can be....I don't get that logic about being a 'false' mother.
Haos51 it's pretty logical if you ask me
Its best explained from an old greek proverb: "ο πατηρ γεννει, η μητηρ τικτει", which means the essence of the child born and the person that it will grow to stems from the father and the mother is just delivering the essence, nurturing it and bringig it into the world, but not adding to it. So basically, the mother is just the incubator from and already complete human, stemming from the fathers loins. Complete and utter bogus ofc
It's Ancient Greece dude.
+Starving Potato Exactly, it's where the concept of the Homunculus comes from. The idea was that because the sperm had all the personality and body parts, you could grow a little human thing from sperm that never made it into a womb.
You'd think the instant a Greek man married an African woman and they had a kid, that the Greeks would realize how utterly bunk that idea was, but noooooooooo. No, sexism is hard to kill with logic.
Oh man, that took a turn for the bizarre real quick.
And I guess the Oresteia _is_ basically Ace Attorney, huh? Now it makes much more sense to me why the series features a protagonist named _Apollo_ of all things.
MIND. BLOWN.
Gamesaucer not to mention apollo's hairstyle in 4:30
Yes, I did notice that one. Along with the Ace Attorney music.
Actually many of the ace attorney characters are allusions to Greek gods. Phoenix is Poseidon, Edgeworth is Hades, etc.
Chay Cortright I don't know whether that is true, but regardless, Apollo is the only time it's played straight. As far as I know anyway.
Ever since I started playing the game Hades, I’ve been wishing to see Megaera, Alecto, and Tisiphone in those cute little suits. And it warms my heart every time.
4:14 I love how that third fury is happy in her suit and briefcase it's too cute.
Man the last act sounds like something a dungeon master would have to spin to compensate for a player getting an insane persuasion roll.
OMG, those Furies trio are the cutest thing ever, I want a spin-off series just about them, solving legal issues in ancient Greece! ^____^
OMG YES!!! Law and Order: Righteous Fury! In the Ancient Greek legal system, there are two separate yet equally supernatural forces that manipulate the fates of men. The Eumenides that protect the innocent, and the Gods that just want to have a laugh. These are their stories.
Yuri Hinamura [chung chung]
And give them cute glasses this time
@@Luinta dun dun.
Great, now I need a comic about the adventures of Alecto, Megaera, and Tisiphone; attorneys at law.
P.S. the one furies that was super happy to wear the suit was absolutely adorable!
“MUR-MURDERER, MURDERER MURDERER, MURDER.”
*the entire jury is astounded by the eloquence of Tisiphone’s defense.*
I only have 2 complaints
1. No one screamed "OBJECTION!"
2. Apollo never got to say "I'm fine!" Or "Your Fine" just anything with the word "Fine"
I'm sure those furries are going to do great in the court of law.
*SCREAMS OF PEOPLE WHO WERE GUILTY*
Yup they are doing great
Nothing's Original "furries" LMFAO.
Furries are amazing in law
i don't know of any furries who are lawyers
Crmccombs ((*cough*
*Furies
**releases hold on cliff edge**
FINALLY. IT HAS BEEN YEARS.
Red is a cruel mistress, Apollo said something shady and the furies are adorable as prosecutors.
Also a lot of family murder.
i love how chipper about the situation the one in the suit is :D
Stuart Kynast That dorky little smile
business suit fury is my waifu now
4:35 "According to Apollo...."
Spartans: "Hold my beer..."
I love the furrie who is painted in a way that makes her seem somewhat innocent. Dressing up for the case and bringing a briefcase, and asking to keep the suit. She's adorable
i always watch the video _at least_ twice, one for general viewing and another one to pause for the captions and drawings
Same XD
L Phantomhive Yeap.
L Phantomhive same
only twice
hahaha
ha
haha
i watch each video 5000 times someone help
All these myths and Hades still manages to end up the bad in modern times #pissed
I know right? I honestly think that, if you want Zeus to be the good guy(which is dumb because of how horrible he is) you should make Typhon the bad guy instead of Hades. Seriously, Typhon is the most dangerous creature in Greek mythology and the father of many monsters, yet he is way to underrated in modern times, while Hades gets a bad reputation he doesn't deserve!
Titan Quest did it right... well, at frist. Then they made and addon, and guess who the final boss of the addon is...
Nikita Yeah, basically that. Which is especially ironic considering Hades is pretty much the only one of the Greek gods that ISN'T a dick.
Hades definitely doesn't deserve to be recognized as a bad guy especially since I really appreciate him for being one of the few not-asshole gods.
But damn if he isn't an entertaining villain in Disney's Hercules and Kid Icarus Uprising!
For sure. XD
that one fury that was actually excited to do the court thing is adorable.
"So I'm king now, right?"
"YES DEAR" (covered in blood)
Freaking priceless XD
Yes it was my most favorite scene from this vid 🤣 tbh Clytemnestra and her bf deserved better
@@linguisticsnerd433 Nah Agamemnon is a good guy just given a shitty hand by The Curse of House Atreus
The suit fury is completely adorable.
So... about that Journey to the West...
Agreed, we need part 5
Guys, guys... Chill. It'll arrive when it needs to.
Be patient, plz. c:
Still, the struggle...
Or Water Margin or Dream of the Red Chamber. I'd be cool with any of them.
Well see it next year, don't worry
The furies at the end just reminded me of my favorite pun about Greek Tragedies.
A tragedian walks into a tailor's shop, with his worn and holey toga.
The tailor looks at him quizzically and asks "Euripides?"
To which the tragedian replies "Eumenides?"
pfffff
Told my dad this joke, 100% dad approved
4:06 THIS IS A COURT DRAMA NOW
Dammit red. It's 1.30am I need to sleep
Suibhne Hah oh hey it's you. Poland hype! Also is her name Red?
Warlord M no, thats just a nickname
ahahahahahaha no you don't... didn't
1:20am get your facts right! like omg its not like that comment didnt happen months before mine where i probably wa 1:30am! im SO right!
It is 1:30 AM as I read this. Random chance is a funny thing.
The reason why no one listened to Cassandra was because she refused to sleep with Apollo...I think
Cassandra would grow up to become the most beautiful of all of King Priam’s daughters and as a result she had many potential suitors, both mortal and immortal.
Zeus was of course well known for keeping an eye out for beautiful mortals, but in the case of Cassandra it was actually his son Apollo who vied for the daughter of Priam; and in the most common version of the Cassandra myth, it is Apollo who enables Cassandra to see into the future.
In this version of the story, Apollo, smitten with the beauty of Cassandra, attempts to seduce the mortal princess. To help sway Cassandra, Apollo offers up the gift of prophecy, a gift which Cassandra willingly accepts. Having accepted the gift though, Cassandra then rebuts the sexual advances of Apollo. A spurned Apollo could have simply taken Cassandra’s new ability away from her, but in an act of vengeance, Apollo instead decides to curse the woman who spurned him.
Thus, from that day on, Cassandra’s prophecies would always come to pass, but no one would ever believe her predictions.
Courtesy: www.greeklegendsandmyths.com/cassandra.html
Lesson learned kids, if you're ever in a situation where a Greek God wants to make sweet snu snu to you, just say yes and roll with it or they'll screw up your life👍
She refused after going her whole life as the best seer. Apollo considered her sleeping with him as repayment for such a gift. She tells him to bug off. Apollo feels offended that she could deny him repayment and then made it so no one believed her.
InsideTheHeadOfMe saw a comic once where she declares that “Apollo would please a woman sexually” but everyone laughs at her and one man even says “as if lord Apollo wouldn’t be a massive disappointment in bed”
Yeah, basically.
He was like: Hey, I think you're hot, here you have the gift of prophecy, wanna bang?
Kassandra was like: Uh, actually, I've sworn a vow of chastity.
Apollon: ... No one will believe your prophecies. Ever.
I have no idea how Red just breezes through these really long names like its second nature. I think I'd sprain my jaw trying to do that.
Probably multiple takes
That fury in a suit is so freakin' adorable! they're just so excited for their first day at a new job.
You should talk about Typhon, that guy is way too underrated. He is in my opinion the character from Greek mythology that should be used as the bad guy in movies instead of Hades.
Agreed, he's awesome
Especially because Hades is like the only good guy in Greek Mythology, and people only make him out to be the bad guy because he controls the underworld, Satan also controls Hell, which is under the world, therefore Hades=Satan, and people just believed that. Thank goodness for Rick Riordan, the first guy to read the myths.
Agreed. Typhon and Kronos make more sense for Greek villains than Hades.
Hades and hesita are literally the only major gods that are morally good
No, make Zeus the bad guy
THESE ACE ATTORNEY REFERENCES ARE GREAT
And it's even better when you realize they are from *Apollo* Justice Ace Attorney
Can we all agree, that fury on the right, is so cute. Athena ! Let her/him have the suit !!
Timestamp : 4:12
The furies are girls.
Also don't wanna be all mean and PC and stuff but there are pronouns for when you don't know the gender, it's they them.
4:29 - I thought he was going to say "She stopped being my mother the day she murdered my father", which still isn't great (it ignores his sister, but is kind of understandable) but isn't as bad as what he actually said.
Agamemnon had it coming, screw the prick. I do feel bad for the Trojan princess, she and her brother warned Priam against bringing in the Trojan Horse, they were for returning Helen, and in the end, they both get the Axe.
Dain II IronfootKing Under The Mountain Fun Fact! Professor Trelawney in Harry Potter was based on the Trojan princess that Agememnon returned with after the war! She made several predictions throughout the time she appeared and the all turned out true! And not a single person believed her at the time she made them!
S. Colins She was cursed by Apollo so that no one would believe her prophesies.
Axel Tenveils - Yes? I already knew that, but I was referring to a Harry Potter Character. And now I'm severely confused as to what you're train of thought was in typing that comment, cause what you wrote was about a completely different person/character. Would it be alright if I asked you to explain?
S. Colins I was talking about Cassandra. The Trojan princes.
I don't know, the situation is also more subtle. Agamemnon is also an archetype of a ruler who is forces with impossible choices, such as destroy his family or see his ambitious expedition fail and his influence as well as the status of Mycenae wane; to abandon both his family and his homeland for many years in order to achieve and lead an alliance of many neighbouring city-states. In general Agamemnon is placed in situations of conflicting interests.
As always, the furies are awesome... and as always, poor Cassandra...
Not gonna lie, the lawyer furies image is one of my favourite single things from OSP.
First of the furies “this tie itches” second furie “why do I have to be here?” Third furie “ Alright! Les do this!”
We NEED a web comic with Athena and the Furies (good name for a band BTW) as they establish the legal system, fighting to bring law to a fairly lawless and fair trial-less greece. You already gave the furies personalities. We have the angry impulsive one, the doofy but happy one, and the calm and logical one. It's practically writing itself.
No "objection" jokes?
come on Red....
With all these blatantly apparent Ace Attorney references and TWO namesakes popping up in this very story, I'm surprised that Red didn't give Apollo a chance to do the catchphrase
I mean all the music during that part was Ace Attorney music and Apoolo had his hair styled like Apollo Justice.
Apollo got's Apollo Justice hair, so that's there
I love how you draw your characters. Each one of them is designed to have their own personality just by appearance. Even the furies have different personalities. Love ya girl keep up the good work!
"In Ancient Greece, murdering family is seriously not okay"
Well... I mean, I can certainly support their law
Oh really? Darn it! There goes all my plans for Tuesday!
4:29
Thats Apollo Justice AND HE'S FINE
How did I not see that?
No, that's wrong--- Oops sorry, wrong murder mystery game.
Oh great! Now I'm hearing Cell Block Tango in my head like "he had it coming, he had it coming... He killed his own daughter... He had it coming" i don't know if it's a bad thing or a good thing
IF YOU’D’VE BEEN THERE
@Sarah Hamilfan i bet'ya you would have done the same !
Agamemnon and I loved each other but then he killed our daughter so when he got home from the war I showed him my brand new axe I didn’t know he was dead ;until I was finished cleaning the blood of my blade! He had it comin he had it comin, he only had himself to blame , if you had been there and you had seen it wouldn’t you have done the same
@samraiz shoaib I’m just doing the song man
@samraiz shoaib also Iphigenia was their kid and according to most sources she did die by Agamemnon’s hand
3:28 Orestes and his hallucinations all taking a nap, so cute.
The “Sanctuary!” Before getting tackled by Furies, then Athena going like “there a problem here?” Leading to the guy explaining the situation with the furies on top of him. That whole thing looked so cute (the art)
"Can I keep the suit?"]
she's my favorite, please make her a reoccurring character
thanks
Let me see if I've got this right. Clytemnestra murdering Agamemnon because he killed her daughter is horrible, but Orestes murdering Clytemnestra because she killed his father is A-OK.
Does anyone else notice that the acceptable perpetrators are both men, and the acceptable targets both women?
Timothy McLean It's a different time back then where women are treated like dirt. Just like what Red said, their views on Gender Equality has not aged well in comparison to our views. But can ya really blame them?
Giorno Giovanna pretty sure even dirt was treated better tbh they probably valued it more since it could grow food
Timothy McLean Also notice the men were ordered by at least one god to kill that woman. Clytemnestra murdering Agamemnon wasn’t ok because it wasn’t ordered by a god.
@@hedgehatchet3578 Yes... we really can...
Agaemennon had made a vow to Artemis to sacrifice the greatest thing he had to her in exchange for killing one of her sacred deer. She demanded his daughter.
You don't refuse the gods.
THANK YOU! Finally! I know why in Percy Jackson they sometimes call the Furies “Kindly Ones”!
What if Cassandra got picked up by Odysseus instead and since nobody would believe her prophecies and Odysseus is nobody he would believe her
4:43 Personally I would've gone with "she exiled me and didn't raise me at all, why would she be my mother?!"
...
Unless I got this guy mixed up with somebody else
Oedipus maybe?
RED IS BACK AT IT AGAIN!
Nice
Lucas Piva Ferreira In the white Vans?
... I'll see myself out.
Betina C Piva yo
@@nickwhite6249 omkco
I'm LIVING for that pic at 4:13 where the furies are lined up, and the last one IS GOING TO DO HER BEST FOR ATHENA-SENPAI, SHE LOVES HER NEW JOB AND HER NEW SUIT ARRRRGH MAH HART MAH SOWL!
Having only read *Agamemnon* (the first third of The Oresteai) I'm not actually surprised that the result is a court system. Here me out.
My interpretation of Agamemnon's murder (which is hardly infallible) is that everything was complicated. Agamemnon is goaded into an act of hubris right before his murder, possibly undermining him as innocent or blameless, while Clytemnestra's avenging of Iphegenia seems to be an ambigiously justified act, but one that will still require punishment. It's also important to note that Aegisthus (the evil step-father) is from a family of victims of Agamemnon's father, and though the play doesn't dwell on it, certain tellings are gruesome (read: forced cannibalism). With all of that in mind, the general theme seems to be that killing in vengeance is understandable, but will require punishment and provoke someone else to seek vengeance on you in turn. In a way it's wrangling with the idea that doing nothing isn't justice, but taking violent action into your own hands will make you guilty in turn and perpetuate a cycle of violence.
This problem is brought to a head by Orestes, who despite supposedly doing his duty and avenging his father by killing his mother (who in turn was avenging her daughter) is still guilty of matricide. You might say the court thing handwaves that away, but I'd like to point out that a) the literal divine intervention of two sympathetic gods and b) his mother being evil and a murderer still resulted in him being exonerated *by a single vote*. It sounds to me like the story was trying to reconcile the obligation to avenge a murdered family member with the concept that murder is wrong and familicide is unconditionally not okay. *Which is why the court exists* . It provides an alternative to killing that still punishes wrongdoers and breaks the cycle of violence where a killer must be killed to avenge the victim. This all may very well have roots (even unconsciously) in the "eye-for-an-eye" justice that most legal systems replace, and is showing how a court can a) provide an alternative to what started all of this, Agamemnon's murder, and b) end the bloody cycle of revenge by exonerating Orestres.
tl;dr I could totally see this being a long-winded way of saying "Aren't you glad we have courts to solve these problems rather than murdering people?".
4:23 APOLLO DELIVERS JUSTICE😂😂😂😂😂😂
"Agamemnon's catastrophic land-slide of a personal life" Welp. Guess I'm the new Agamemnon... I don't want to be...
Pretty sure you're going to have to fight me for that title but the ways our lives are going we'd probably both lose.
Don't sacrifice your daughter. Plz. k. thx.
Also don't burn down any innocent cities because some twat who lives there kidnapped/seduced/rescued your brothers wife or something.
Aww, I'm sure you'll be able to sort things out! You can't be as bad as he was...
no one wants to be, it's just life. deal with it.
Ahh, now I love that Disney’s The Weekenders line even more!!
Tish: “I am doomed to be like Cassandra! Predicting future disasters yet never being believed by others!”
Lor: “Cassandra Murton from math class?...”
Tish: “never mind....”
I love the fact that the third fury is just completely down and eager to be the lawyer with her little white suit. It is weirdly adorable
So basically, this is Ace Attorney 4...?
I know,right?I was thinking of Ace Attorney too!!!!
Well, if the Apollo Justice music is anything to go by, apparently Red thinks so too.
Well in so far as Apollo is a prosecutor. Regarding everything else...no? Not at all? I mean I suppose there's families in each of them and Zach Gramarye sort of kills Thalassa. Only it was an accident and he didn't really kill her and in the play it was a wife killing a husband and also Klavier Gavin isn't anything like the Furies.
Museless Writer Apollo here does have the same role (she drew him with the same airstyle and badge so I guess she did the connection) But everything else... Not so much. But this would explain why they chose the names Apollo and Athena for the mythological connections since they're the ones in this play and I don't think there are others where someone ends up in court. Even if here Athena was a judge.
Apollo (Justice) Ace Attorney: The Oresteia
I really want to hear Red discuss the "Hero's Journey " in Trope Talk. I really love this topic and I love Red so 😂
Yeah that sounds like a good topic.
I'm pretty sure that she hasn't talked about the Hero's Journey because *Everyone. Else. Has!!*
And, there's not much more to say about it.
Your wish has been fulfilled by blue instead. :D
Dang that third fury’s ROCKIN that suit
I love the Ace attorney references (the music, Apollo’s hairstyle, ect). Thanks for this, Red!
2:53
"Good, now kill her"
"I can't, it's not the Greek way"
"Do it!"
*stab*
*Breaks down door*
I'M HERE
... Now
You speak so fast, yet so clearly. I use this for studying, no joke
me too, me too. ^.^
"So long story short, the next time you're hunted down by a trio of bloodthirsty demons for the crime intra-familial murder or the violation of hospitality rules, make sure to request your phone call."
Well, gee, thanks a lot for not giving me that advice before it happened the first time.
@Harry Christie Technicalities. She's not a blood relative to Aggememnon (did I spell that right) so she can get away with it despite being his wife.
I'm pretty sure that Clytemnestra made some carpet into the house that was symbolic of walking on blood and Agamemnon didn't even think it was suspicious. I could be wrong though it's been a while since I did my research
Oh good night, you're not talking about the purple pemplos road, are you? There are probably whole books written just on the symbolism of Agamemnon walking on the purple/scaret carpets. Interestingly, in the play "Agamemnon", he does seem to find the carpet suspicious--along with over-lavish, enthusiastic greeting of him. Even if he doesn't think of it as suspicious, he certainly finds it inappropriate (he's being given undue honor that belongs to the gods) He actually argues with his wife about whether or not to walk on the carpets, but she ends up winning after telling him that his rival, Priam, would have walked on the carpets without a second thought. And so Agamemnon loses the debate and fittingly walks right into his doom. Somehow, even with all the crap he pulled in his life, I still can't bring myself to hate him, and I still find him a sympathetic character. After all, everyone in Greek Mythology who's name wasn't Hestia or Hades was a total scumbag at some point or another, Agamemnon always struck me as a beleagered leader with poor judgment rather than an evil schemer or tyrant.
Denied Gameplay also to be fair people viewing Clytemnestra's murder of Agamemnon being horrifying isn't that she killed him, but that the dialogue she says after doing the deed had implied she got off from doing it. Like aroused from the killing of Agamemnon and Cassandra, which I find disturbing whether or not I think she was justified.
@@stephenskinner7207 YAY! Someone else who's sympathetic to Agamemnon??? We must be very few indeed. But yes, you're right. It's clear in nearly all versions that he was VERY reluctant to sacrifice his daughter (and in some versions she survives and in others even becomes a goddess!)
But no one knows about the versions of Odysseus' secret assassination of Palamedes, Clytemnestra INTENTIONALLY almost getting her baby Orestes killed by Telephus, Achilles brutally raping and killing both Troilus (who was a youth) and Amazon Queen Penthiselia, etc.
But somehow...Agamemnon is the only villain??? Even though he's the only one that felt extremely remorseful at the end and didn't want his defeated adversaries to suffer what he had gone through (the sacrifice of a daughter) and even chose to stay in Troy a bit longer to offer sacrifices.
It's a shame that Agamemnon is so underrated in modern times when he was one of the greatest fighters, the one we MIGHT have some Hititte evidence for, and the one who's adventures are mentioned but shrouded in mystery and iconography.
Not gonna lie, I've learned more about the classics from this channel than I did from an actual 'education'. This has definitely become one of my favorite channels.
This is amazing and by far the most helpful channel in relation to my school readings. I appreciate you!!!
In another version of this tale though, even after Orestes is proven innocent, the Furies still went after him and he's told by the Oracle to get a statue of Artemis, but it was where people killed strangers by sacrificing them. Orestes was about to be killed by the priestess there only to discover that it's Iphigenia, who saves him and helps him get the statue to remove his family's curse. Yeah in some versions, Iphigenia was saved by Artemis herself to be a priestess for her and incognito put in a deer to be sacrifice without anyone knowing.
Fuck, those furies attorneys are the cutest thing ever!
Poor Kassandra. Literally nothing was her fault. She tried to warn everyone including her kidnapper and all she got was a sharp object in her body.
The fury in the suit is adorable! She just has a little smile and looks so proud of herself.
1:30 That picture tho. She's just like, "Whelp, that happened."