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LOL! Backflip will certainly give them a red card, or even black card - since it falls in category of turning your back to opponent during fight, which is serious violation.
when i was like 10 or so, i met Daryl Homer at my club bc he and my coach’s son were friends. seeing him just catapult himself at his opponent is awesome to watch and the move is hilariously effective
Great video! There's some footage of old classes in there with fleches I hadn't seen before. I think the forward crossover was last permitted in 94 World champs. By world champs in 95 and 96 Olympic games in Atlanta it was gone already.
Thanks! There is a channel called Vívóklub Kárpáti that has lots of lessons from Laszlo Szepesi with various French fencers from the early 90s. The 2 clips in this video feature Jean-Philippe Daurelle and Jean-François Lamour.
Many years ago, maybe around 2016ish i recalled seeing a clip of Matyas Szabo appearing to "lunge" by primarily pushing from both his front and back leg. I remember being baffled. Maybe I was just confused by the slow motion especially since i didn't know as much about sabre back then. Or he was doing some sort of mega lunge one time.
@@SlicerSabre yes I'm sure it is Szabo because I like his fencing a lot. I do remember Sydney Sabre featuring Gu's levitating lunge as well! Super cool!
Scenes from the 1992 Olympics in this vid. I have the VHS tapes somewhere down in the depths of my basement. First time I saw them was maybe 1998, and I didn't start fencing till 1994. If you watch the footwork from that Olympics, you'll be shocked at how poor the footwork is compared to any time after, and these guys were the best in the world. There is no doubt about it, removing the forward crossover and fleche from sabre improved the footwork immensely. Why it was removed. I've heard two stories. First was that it was the last refuge of the old and overweight fencers who were not properly fleching, but simply crossing over and falling to hit. Second was that refs where pushing the fences way back behind the On Guard lines before calling Fence, because if both fencers where going to do this, they had a real tough time determining ROW. As for the Mega Flunge, the guys doing it look as if they are going to tear their tendons, muscles and ligaments to shreds before too long.
i heard it was a desperate attempt by the FIE to slow sabre down so they would get more spectators.... as i was fencing sabre at that time (a LOT) and hated the flunge as i fenced all three weapons and had top remember not to fleche in sabre as i did in foil and epee....
Fun video as always. I'm liking the increase in videos with your casual voiceover. Only criticism is that the music from 3:00 onwards ... Isn't exactly what I'd have chosen.
Aaaan when in the forms they strech out the other - empty - hand, it most probably represents grappling / wrestling. In hema competition / sparring it is allowed and historically suported, and looks very similar to chinese forms - just to give a little litght to some element which you may find very weird, while I don't. I wonder more what would you say about their weird footwork and broken timing in some lunges.
In the examples at the start of this video, each of them would have been been given to the defender had the actual rule as written on the fleche been applied. Rule 417.2 (page 59 of the AFA edition of 1981): "A fleche attack is correctly carried out: "- as a simple attack when the arm is straightened as the fleche is carried out and when the hit arrives at the latest before the the rear foot again touches the piste or as it does so. - as a compound attack when, with the arm straightening in the correct forming of the first feint, the hit arrives at the latest as the front foot again makes contact with the piste."
So going along with this, I’ve been noticing that in recent tournaments, the Korean hop hasn’t been seen too much. Why do you think this is? Or did I miss something?
Got to put a James Williams flunge in if you can find an example. I think the first of these megas should have been annulled for hit made while falling, but it's not really called. Good analysis though, that big kickout is almost like the step phase of the triple jump, sort of hanging in the air and then throwing the front leg.
The problem with the fleche at sabre was referees not enforcing the rule that every cross-step after the first was preparation; in effect, the back foot landing in a fleche being the same as the front foot landing in the lunge. Instead they took a rule knocking around in lower level foil in the USA in the wake of the Smirnoff accident, and banned the fleche.
I think the grandfather of the flunge was Kothny creating something new. ......something new to overcome some distance in some swift motion. Just kidding 🤣
So what happens if a top saber fencer uses the crossover vs a flunger. Forget what is legal, who wins? The idea was to make fencing less pedantic, but flunging allows them to dive at each other anyway. So did they achieve anything, while they sidelined a real fencing move. Or is the flunge fun to watch, but functions as a restriction over the crossover, so for a non-martial art, it is a win win.
Let them run at each other - it's more the spirit and nature of the weapon anyway to charge at your opponent. I think you would get better results dropping right-of-way and forcing the fencers to actually respect their opponent's blade. Maybe even parry once in a while.
Blah.. this is so silly that they restricted flesche for sabre. Doesn't make any sense. Flunge seems like a nice alternative, although seems like very likely to injure a knee in the process. Oh well, gotta try that in epee, will see if it's any good.
Lots of the clips were found using Fencing Database where thousands of touches from fencing tournaments have been clipped and sorted. The site also hosts the Fantasy Fencing tournament where you can make predictions on FIE fencing events, win points and maybe make it on to the leaderboard! Check out the Fencing Database here:
fencingdatabase.com/search
(There is also the new Fencing Database Clips UA-cam channel @fdbclips )
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FIE: You can´t cross legs foward.
Sabre: Ok. Flying it is then.
I don’t even fence sabre but your commentary and video editing makes all these videos so fun to watch! Love your channel
yes a sabre fleche...lol... what a funny and appropriate way to call a flunge
I swear the Koreans are getting closer and closer to fighting like Jedi. Next they'll start backflipping or just straight up using the force!
LOL! Backflip will certainly give them a red card, or even black card - since it falls in category of turning your back to opponent during fight, which is serious violation.
@@rjevskyfencing777 well who says they can't use the force? B)
@@rjevskyfencing777 you must be fun at parties
when i was like 10 or so, i met Daryl Homer at my club bc he and my coach’s son were friends. seeing him just catapult himself at his opponent is awesome to watch and the move is hilariously effective
Every time I see these videos I remember how much I love watching sabre.
Epee fencers: so uncivilized
Saber fencers: front legs go burrr
Great video! There's some footage of old classes in there with fleches I hadn't seen before. I think the forward crossover was last permitted in 94 World champs. By world champs in 95 and 96 Olympic games in Atlanta it was gone already.
Thanks! There is a channel called Vívóklub Kárpáti that has lots of lessons from Laszlo Szepesi with various French fencers from the early 90s. The 2 clips in this video feature Jean-Philippe Daurelle and Jean-François Lamour.
Many years ago, maybe around 2016ish i recalled seeing a clip of Matyas Szabo appearing to "lunge" by primarily pushing from both his front and back leg. I remember being baffled. Maybe I was just confused by the slow motion especially since i didn't know as much about sabre back then. Or he was doing some sort of mega lunge one time.
Are you sure it was Szabo? I also seem to remember Gu doing some sort of levitating lunge from around that time.
@@SlicerSabre yes I'm sure it is Szabo because I like his fencing a lot. I do remember Sydney Sabre featuring Gu's levitating lunge as well! Super cool!
Scenes from the 1992 Olympics in this vid. I have the VHS tapes somewhere down in the depths of my basement. First time I saw them was maybe 1998, and I didn't start fencing till 1994. If you watch the footwork from that Olympics, you'll be shocked at how poor the footwork is compared to any time after, and these guys were the best in the world. There is no doubt about it, removing the forward crossover and fleche from sabre improved the footwork immensely.
Why it was removed. I've heard two stories. First was that it was the last refuge of the old and overweight fencers who were not properly fleching, but simply crossing over and falling to hit. Second was that refs where pushing the fences way back behind the On Guard lines before calling Fence, because if both fencers where going to do this, they had a real tough time determining ROW.
As for the Mega Flunge, the guys doing it look as if they are going to tear their tendons, muscles and ligaments to shreds before too long.
i heard it was a desperate attempt by the FIE to slow sabre down so they would get more spectators.... as i was fencing sabre at that time (a LOT) and hated the flunge as i fenced all three weapons and had top remember not to fleche in sabre as i did in foil and epee....
Very useful for describing the difference between a foil fleche and sabre
Your recent content's really been improving!!
Really like this style of video!
Mega flunge great name 🔥
yep I am impressed... good description for it....
love this new content
I always assumed "flunge" was a contraction of fleche and lunge
That’s why I do epee lol
This is lowkey a good video ur underrated man
Fun video as always. I'm liking the increase in videos with your casual voiceover. Only criticism is that the music from 3:00 onwards ... Isn't exactly what I'd have chosen.
3:22 the sun on the ground. Early morning fencing 🤗
I would love to see your comparison between modern sabre and chinese jian / dao forms. There may be more to it than it seems, and youtube may love it.
Aaaan when in the forms they strech out the other - empty - hand, it most probably represents grappling / wrestling. In hema competition / sparring it is allowed and historically suported, and looks very similar to chinese forms - just to give a little litght to some element which you may find very weird, while I don't. I wonder more what would you say about their weird footwork and broken timing in some lunges.
I’ve only ever done foil, but would be cool to do a saber competition sometime.
In the examples at the start of this video, each of them would have been been given to the defender had the actual rule as written on the fleche been applied. Rule 417.2 (page 59 of the AFA edition of 1981):
"A fleche attack is correctly carried out:
"- as a simple attack when the arm is straightened as the fleche is carried out and when the hit arrives at the latest before the the rear foot again touches the piste or as it does so.
- as a compound attack when, with the arm straightening in the correct forming of the first feint, the hit arrives at the latest as the front foot again makes contact with the piste."
Can I do flange in foil?
So going along with this, I’ve been noticing that in recent tournaments, the Korean hop hasn’t been seen too much. Why do you think this is? Or did I miss something?
Got to put a James Williams flunge in if you can find an example. I think the first of these megas should have been annulled for hit made while falling, but it's not really called. Good analysis though, that big kickout is almost like the step phase of the triple jump, sort of hanging in the air and then throwing the front leg.
Flying Lunge (True Input)
The problem with the fleche at sabre was referees not enforcing the rule that every cross-step after the first was preparation; in effect, the back foot landing in a fleche being the same as the front foot landing in the lunge. Instead they took a rule knocking around in lower level foil in the USA in the wake of the Smirnoff accident, and banned the fleche.
Will you do a video what happening in Warsaw
Maybe if I have time. But hopefully the channel "Fencing Brothers" will do it.
the first clip is the perfect explanation to why nowadays it's illegal in sabre to cross legs
3:01 im surprised that Yoshida Kento didnt roll his ankle
bro the epee fail clip made me cackle
im pretty sure flunge is fleche and lunge together
I think the grandfather of the flunge was Kothny creating something new. ......something new to overcome some distance in some swift motion. Just kidding 🤣
I think Daryl Homer is the best
So what happens if a top saber fencer uses the crossover vs a flunger. Forget what is legal, who wins? The idea was to make fencing less pedantic, but flunging allows them to dive at each other anyway. So did they achieve anything, while they sidelined a real fencing move. Or is the flunge fun to watch, but functions as a restriction over the crossover, so for a non-martial art, it is a win win.
Are you a fencer yourself?
My goal is to master flunges until I become the Michael Jordan of fencing, literally wanna fly through the air like a boeing 747
Let them run at each other - it's more the spirit and nature of the weapon anyway to charge at your opponent. I think you would get better results dropping right-of-way and forcing the fencers to actually respect their opponent's blade. Maybe even parry once in a while.
Sepeé is a sport i could get behind
Honesty, I think the reason that the fleché isn’t used more often in foil, is because if you screw up, or it gets parryed, you’re kinda fucked😂
Blah.. this is so silly that they restricted flesche for sabre. Doesn't make any sense. Flunge seems like a nice alternative, although seems like very likely to injure a knee in the process.
Oh well, gotta try that in epee, will see if it's any good.
crazy how our country is good at fencing, archery,judo yet suck at taekwondo
Why the weird and cringey music… yt videos really make fencing look cringe and bad
Can I use the mega flunge in foil?
You can do anything if you believe in yourself