Akane's Quest for Self-Acceptance; Psychologist Reacts to Oshi no Ko Episode 7
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Aqua: No one can imitate Ai - it's something you're born with
Akane: Hold my Stanislavski
Method actors are something else 😂😂
Ed is the embodiment of the broken OP character that goes around breaking everyone's common sense while going "I'm just your average x" when asked wtf just happened.
He's wizard just for fun
The wizardry is too much. He just can't miss.
Is half of the Oshi no ko cast just Ed?
Ed = Akane
Evil Ed = Aqua
French Ed = Kana
Primal Ed = ?Dad?
Neko Ed = MEM-cho
Even Pieyon Ed is on da way
Simply good stuff here
Oshi no Ed
Ed: "As long as she doesn't go overboard she'll be fine, I think"
Ed 10 seconds later: I'm in this show and I don't like it *takes off Ai pictures from his wall with a terrified look*
☠️😂
I was absolutely terrified and astonished at Akane
ed is the best girl all along
Ed is waifu material
@@pudinkeviar4151 nah bro. Yagoo already got that title
2:32:38 This is also one point I feel odd about Akane's deduction. One way I tried to explain to myself is that perhaps Ai expressed herself in a rather open or suggestive way that was often unseen in typical sexually modest Japanese high school girls that Akane often sees around her. I think Akane has access to way higher amount of resources than us viewers do - for example, from episode 01 we only see still frames of Ai doing radio show, promotions and acting beside her idol activities, but we never really know how they went. Akane may actually have watched/listened to all those recordings and picked up more things from them. I can imagine Akane deducing Ai's understanding of sex and relationship through how she behaved during fan meetings and interaction with male colleagues - she's secretive but not completely tight-lipped (she almost slipped about having babies in that NStation TV show back when the twins were a few months old).
Anyway it's just my way to make sense of how Akane thinks, it isn't confirmed or supported by either the manga or the anime.
Different also is we get to known Ai with 16. but she was already an idol with 12 so that’s 4 more years that Akane could search up for and see the difference
@MegaApostel yes, that too. Ai had at least 7 or 8 years of public record before her death, with the last 4 being pretty filled as her career improved after her "hiatus". This is only my guess, but Ai might have had sexual experience way before she was 15, and she expressed herself in ways that misguided delusional fans like Ryousuke (the murderer) into thinking she was appealing to them romantically, that's why he was so parasocial and angry that she had kids. If someone like Ryousuke could be hinted that way, it wouldn't be too farfetched to think Akane came across the same signs just by checking MVs, concert videos and fan events.
Well besides all that, it is also entirelly possible that following Ai´s murder her case was looked at in articles/school studies written by actual psychologists. So not all the deductions would necessarily have to come from her directly.
@@sojtus8681 It's obvious that years have passed since Ai's death and Akane may have done quite a bit of research.
First she went to the library, maybe there is a newspaper library where she read several articles from the time of Ai's death which should be quite a lot since according to the first episode, the news reached a national level and there were many frames of newspapers giving the same news as well as videos of her presentations and based on that she built a profile
@@hagahong3327sad to say but the stalker dude was being manipulated while also being fed information by the mastermind.
At 52:00 when Kana is talking about the barrage of abuse, and the way it mentally impacts her and others, the camera's on Ruby.
And we see her do a slight movement, a reaction to it. And it's made me wonder if it's because Ruby is remembering all the abuse she's done to others online in the past, and what sort of impact she might've had negatively as a result.
Because the very first thing Aqua sees her doing is telling people to die online.
Holy crap, great point! I completely forgot about that
I recognize some structures in oshi no ko
I am the author of the original article in gamer blog (巴哈姆特), so this is not plagiarism:
The following are my partial translations.
TLDR: DSM Cluster B (dramatic) personality traits and Cluster C (anxious) personality traits
The story has two cores in the lens of Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) ---
(I think Akasaka was inspired by DSM, but not strictly following it.)
Cluster B (dramatic) personality traits that shines in showbiz.
Aqua: antisocial traits
Ruby: Narcissistic traits
Kana: Histrionic traits
Akane: Borderline traits
Ai: all four personality traits, which make her invincible.
Cluster C (anxious) personality traits that causes pain in relationships.
Aqua: Obsessive-compulsive and Avoidant traits
Kana: Avoidant and Dependent traits
Akane: Dependent and Obsessive-compulsive traits
Ai: all three personality traits
What’s with the star in the eyes? It symbolizes the tendency to bend the reality (and the tendency is caused by lacking sense of reality). When the star turns black, it symbolizes disdain over the reality.
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Elaborations of Cluster B (dramatic) traits
Aqua (Antisocial): constant lying, manipulative, lack of remorse, tendency to take risks; switching different façade with ease, capitalize the weakness and blindness of audiences and people in the business --- a sleek entertainer, also a dangerous man.
Ruby (Narcissistic): energetic, extremely confident, overwhelming aura --- a super star; supercilious, ruthless, drunk in fantasies.
Kana (Histrionic): blends in with situation well, exaggerate emotions to drive the atmosphere --- a contagious show maker; frequently seeking attentions and affections, moody, easy to go with the flow, overestimate intimacy with others.
Akane (Borderline): deep empathy, the ability to empty her identity --- a gifted actress; sensitive, prolonged emotions, all-or-nothing thinking, disturbed sense of identity/self-worth.
Ai (All): constant lying, manipulative, tendency to take risks, energetic, extremely confident, overwhelming aura, ruthless, drunk in fantasies, blends in with situation well, shallow emotions, easy to go with the flow, the ability to empty her identity, disturbed sense of identity/self-worth, self-injury.
Elaborations of Cluster C (dramatic) traits
Aqua: try to arrange people and things on his ideal pedestal --- Obsessive-compulsive; hide his feeling under numerous masks --- Avoidant.
Kana: pushing people away with her fear of getting hurt --- Avoidant; obey Aqua --- Dependent.
Akane: prioritize others’ feeling over her own --- Dependent; set strict standards/obligations for herself --- Obsessive-compulsive.
Ai: frugal, perfectionism --- Obsessive-compulsive; nonchalant, unable to express love --- Avoidant; over-attached --- Dependent. The most vulnerable character.
What’s with the star in the eyes? It symbolizes the tendency to bend the reality (and the tendency is caused by lacking sense of reality). When the star turns black, it symbolizes disdain over the reality.
The star owners have huge potential to cause "cognitive distortions" of other people.
Aqua: bend reality with his intelligence and perfectionism; the star manifests in his right eye is govern by his left-brain rationality.
Ruby: bend reality with her sensibility and desire for exposure; the star manifests in her left eye is govern by her right-brain sensibility.
(As someone who were reborn, the twins lack their sense of reality. Additionally, they constantly deceived people around themselves in their previous lives. That's how they get their "star".)
Ai: bend reality with perfectionism and desire for exposure.
Akane: by mimicking Ai, she learns some emotional expression and calculated manners to induce "cognitive distortions" of other people, but she doesn't truly lack her sense of reality, thus the star in her eyes is "fake" and temporary. That said, as a person with disturbed sense of identity/self-worth, I think she may have a chance to possess "True star" in her eyes as the story goes on.
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Aqua: developed "Avoidant" and "Obsessive-compulsive" in the previous life (I don't want to spoil you with the reason.); developed "Antisocial" due to witnessing death and attempting vengeance.
Kana: as a genius child actor, we can imagine she have been "Histrionic" since young; as she grew up, she went from "attention seeking" to "attention pleading"(start to possess Dependent mindset), and the experience of being abandoned result in her "Avoidant".
Akane: sensitive and empathetic, as a child theater actor under great pressure, she developed "Dependent", " Obsessive-compulsive" and "Borderline ".
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Epic. Thank you so much for sharing
@@briankent use "我推的孩子DSM" as keyword to search. Sorry, it seems that I cannot post comments with "the link" or "too many Chinese words".
this was an amazing read and a great analysis of the characters
Oh dear. Those star eyes really are the Hoshinigans!
The look of sheer concern on Ed's face when Akane started breaking down Ai, priceless.😂
What I personally can't wait for is to see how Aqua takes her recreation next episode. He could be just impressed, he could maybe catch some feelings, hell, I could even see him potentially getting angry. Seeing this figure he's always put on a pedestal mimicked by this person he's known just a few weeks, as if she wasn't as special or unique as he felt she was.
Honestly that final scene was mindblowing in so many ways, not only did Mephisto once again elevate a scene, but also the fact that Manaka Iwami was able to capture Rie's Ai almost perfectly aswell blew me away.
Then of course all the narrative implications on what Aqua must have felt in that moment and Akane was just an inch away of figuring out Ai's truth.
Man what an Episode and of course Wizard Ed manifested everything right at the start 😂
P.S Team Ruby represent!
I wonder how many Ruby Stans are out there 👀🥹
@@psyculturists I honestly liked that one little line that some people seem to have overlooked when Kana and her talked about the Akane situation and Rubys mind instantly went towards "I hope my brother is doing ok..." 😭
@@psyculturists Ruby is the best (weirdo gremlin). The last two episodes have been great, except not enough Ruby!
@@ulrik03 dw Ruby will definitely get a chance to shine
Also gotta love the way the animators had Akane walking "into camera" just like Ai toward the end of the music video, or how the camera focuses on Akane's mouth in a similar style as Ai's during the OP, or the way that as Akane continues to slip further and further into the character the light steadily moves up her body until finally revealing her eyes.
The directing is so good in this show it's SO GOOD. Literally the best anime I've ever seen.
Ever since Ed started reacting to this anime i was waiting for his reaction to Akane's analysis of Ai. And it was glorious just as expected!
You know, at first I thought that the way Akane was able to completely break down and understand Ai to such a fundamental level without ever meeting her was super unrealistic and impossible. But after watching Ed, I finally understood. And I’ve been waiting for this episode ever since.
Let’s goooo! I was here for the live stream and now for the comments!
I’m glad he’s joined us in the cult of Akane Supremacy… even if that cult is dedicated to himself…
Akane stole my heart but Kana is still on my mind 😂❤️
@@psyculturists fair, but having your heart stolen still allows admittance into the order!
When Akane said I didn't want to worry you to her mom, I saw a part of myself in her
She's just like you frfr. As it turns out, Ed was the best waifu all along.
Some of the things said in chat in response to the Yuki slap actually made me super uncomfortable. It's really like people don't even understand the messages told in these episodes.
Yes, the slap is pretty much objectively bad. It can be argued that it doesn't help Akane and it was an emotional response from Yuki. But do people really believe this entire time that Yuki was planning this slap preemptively and did it completely with malicious intent to ease her own feelings. It was simply a response from someone who is 15 and has not had the life experiences to know the best way to approach Akane. She's not immune to feeling bad about herself and people are acting like she is.
But then chat said some crazily egregious things. Like it's incredibly ironic that as a result of this slap, I saw people saying Aka Akasaka is ignorant about these topics, I saw people call Yuki names. Like is this literally not the messages that these episodes are trying to advocate against people saying.
"But Yuki is a fictional character"
But I don't think the people making these comments are thinking oh I am only flaming her because she isn't real, I wouldn't do this to a real person. It really shows how real this stuff is when some people watching the show can't even stop to consider what they're typing themselves.
Fr lol, people showing their hypocrisy so easily at times even unintentionally since everyone is conditioned to think it's alright since we're all anonymous on the internet.
The hypocrisy.
yeah Ed’s chat just seems to be really judgmental and some people just go off with the insults after barely any provocation, kinda wish he’d shut that sort of thing down more often
As a part of the volunteer small moderation team on the stream, which we plan to grow, I will say that this stream had 200 more people than our 2nd biggest stream. We had our hands full already with both massive spoiler drops in addition to keeping things clean.
While I understand where you are coming from about a handful of people being malicious towards a fictional character, we are more focused on preventing real harm to real people.
If you go into any stream of this episode from other reactors, you will likely be able to pick and choose people from their chats who do the same thing. More often than not, you will find the reactor themselves calling Yuki names.
I agree that this is an issue, but it is such a wide spread one amongst all anime content. Real people are more important though, so with our limited team, we prioritize on preventing real people getting hurt or spoiled over the non-existent feelings of drawn characters.
Both Yuki and Akane are well written. It's easy to sympathize with them, but not everyone will. But at the end of the day, trying to stand up for fictional characters by banning or kicking real people is unrealistic to ask for volunteers.
I do hope people take in this shows message to heart!
Take care of and love one another in this harsh environment!
@@I3ladeDragon I do agree with you but I think you misunderstood something (correct me if I am wrong)
What I am trying to say is that the people are not getting the message that is being portrayed by the anime and being portrayed by Ed .
I am not trying to defend yuki or anything, I am just saying that the people are not understanding the message being shown.
"An eye for a eye makes the whole world blind" -Gandhiji once said 😊
2:27:17 "As long as she doesn't go overboard she'll be fine I think"
5 seconds later: ☠
Thank you for streams!
Also... I think you need to stop drinking anything while watching. Leave the sips during pauses 😆
Thank you for watching and commenting I really appreciate it ❤️ but also yeah lesson learned no more water during strems 😂
I was waiting for that scene from the moment he freaked out about Aqua moving the pencil the same way he was.
Too many thoughts were went to my brain once they show Akane's Star Eyes (I'd like to call it Theater mode Akane - B Komachi's Ai), my first initial thought is it might be correlated to the person's secondary color of their eye, but when you brought up the topic of it being yellow, something clicked on me and started searching what is the first lightbulb that ever invented. It's Incandescent Lightbulb, and they emit *yellowish light* . Akane's Star Eyes are yellow, just like an incanedscent lightbulb, because she crafted the ideal Ai from basically surface knowledge
or at least that's what I think about it
the color is more than likely the star eyes but with her color palette imo
About the slap. In some cultures it activates the fighting instinct so they relationate that slap with care and adrenaline rushes to a instinct of survival. Japan has a really strong feelings depravation culture so you need to see this acts in a military way of thinking.
edit 1: About the drama treatment there are a 3rd option: being yourself the primary source of info and controlling the narrative.
edit 2: methodic actors are scary by nature. the stars are the some kind of exposure of real talent. She is performing the perfect idol and even the stars are imitated but on her own color.
Well I couldn't wait and watched it. One of the things that really gets me is how well Akane's VA imitates the way Ai speaks. Ai has a certain way she says Aqua that stood out to me, and she captures it really well. Also if you weren't aware, next episode is a recap, so it will another week before episode 8 unfortunately.
1:54:40 Or maybe the alternative is that Yuki think on her feet and realize she have to make a reconciliation scene quickly so Akane don't become a villian, and she went for the hug to make it happen. Of course she had no say in whether the show runner choose to use it or not but at least she gave them the options.
she really felt that way it wasn´t an act but she did position herself so that they would look good on camera just in case
I saw it during the stream, but I've now replayed the taking down the Ai mind crawl part more than a few times now and I laugh every time. It's almost as hilarious as the Zombieland Saga clip
I was thinking about it since the stream, and that hand gesture that the "Dark Ai" makes at 6:07 is exactly the one made in the fourth episode by Ruby when she's shocked that Shiranui Frill recognizes Aqua and Minami
Akane straight up imitate Ed and Ai,what a talented girl
Just had to comment Ed, I already enjoyed your insightfulness, self-awareness, and sense of humor, but this episode was just on another level. I felt like I watched a show where Ed is going through character development LOL
I mean I felt like I went through a big hero’s journey in this episode 😂😂💗👀
2:27:25 This wasn't a coincidence. It was a reference to Ed. XD
When I watched this episode I was thinking "I need to see Ed's reaction to this. That will be glorious!"
And I was not disappointed.
Crazy how this show makes you constantly go WTF... I'm seriously scared of what's about to come.
2:54:20 Ya need a new keyboard with water resistance atleast 🤣🤣
That aside, i love how you showed how Akane's 'mind crawl' is valid in reality, and also challenged her thoughts re: imbalance due to sex during puberty.
Sadly no episode next week, so see ya in the week after! :D
u gotta remember that akane has different but way more content to study about ai like 8 years worth specially after her boom as we saw her with podcasts , some realities etc and their culture is different like an ultra outgoing girl who this is speculation doesn't have that timid or reserved reaction when interacting with boys in the material akane was studying prolly lead akane to believe she already had experience and thus she was acting out of line/unbalanced
My favourite part was when Mem-Cho said - "🗿"
I totally agree with the way you think the star eyes work! Some people think its got to do with lying, but Rubys eyes even glowed very brightly when she said that she doesnt want any lies (when talking about doing fake pranks)
2:27:17 he went from social engagement "As long as she doesn't go overboard she'll be fine I think", to fight or flight (worry & concern, fear, panic), to freezing up. Then went back to fight or flight, then finally back to social engagement.
Perfect example of the polyvagal chart, Ed legitimately felt called out by this 😅
It felt like Akane was a mirror and I was shocked 😂 Then it Turned into Akane + Ed on Ai 😂💗👀
I was very much anticipating your reaction to Akane. Literally thought of your analysis the moment she said her own analysis on Ai. 😂😂😂
Wizards, for some reason, seem to be unknowingly drawn to one another…
Just like stand users
This right here 2:27:24, this right here is PEAK UA-cam. I HAVEN'T LAUGHED SO HARD IN YEARS, MY GOD. I WAS SCREAMING, I LOST IT
People should record their reactions to your reaction, it's pure gold. Hope we get to have more Ed-Akane showdowns! Great video as always!
Why did this take so long to appear on my feed.
Also I loved the part where AkanED said "It's wizardin' time" and wizardED all over the place
Here we go again 🎉🎉 And akane's breakdown of ai reminded me of a certain wizard😂
Afaik season 2 has only been confirmed by leaks, not by any official sources
Honestly, considering Ai's words in 45510, education probably was used against her, or at least, her lack of it compared even to the other idols in the group. Multiple times she comments about calling her an idiot like they used to or being an idiot or being called such, as if its been completely normalized to her to a point she almost views it in a positive light because its at least attention at all. Coming from her background of both abuse and neglect...even negative attention is still attention unfortunately.
I literally just finished watching the other videos a few minutes ago and was wondering about this episode. The timing!
+i'm the 69th like XD
That Timing is golden 😂❤️
I have a grinning smile watching you explain concepts and learning from it in shows I also enjoy.
Guys, imagine the Manga was like, 20 chapters in the past.
This would genuinely count as spoil.
I love you Ed
6:35 "something's up and this is like another version of Ai, short of like a recreation of Ai
Akane : yeah about that..
I don't know why everyone says Ed is a wizard. He's simply psychic. He just invades the minds of the characters and reads their thoughts out loud.
Did Ed ever point out that Aqua has never called Ai, Mom or mother? He has always called her Ai. Aqua doesn't accept Ai as his mom.
In the case of Aqua, he knew since he was a baby that he should be discreet about calling her mom and he never did it knowing that he was a reincarnated adult. Even Aqua freaked out when Ai was about to say on a live broadcast that she had children.
@@Nolroa Yup because he is reincarnated he doesn't see Ai as his mom. Also if he did he'd have every chance to call her mom when he was at the age to talk in front of her, at their house when it's only just the family. But he never did. So the yes the reincarnation part is true, but him no calling Ai, "mom" due to being discrete about the secret doesn't make sense. It didn't happen once. Meaning Aqua as been fully rejecting Ai as his mother. The fact that's it's never shown, and that we only seee Aqua refer to Ai as his mother in a weird analytical way during inner monologues goes to show on a conscious level on how much Aqua is reluctant and even a bit rejecting to call Ai, "mom". Though subconsciously unbeknownst to himself think Aqua partially accepts Ai as his mom because of the way his eyes wavered in that teary animation sequence when Ai was dying and said "I love you". On a conscious level Aqua rejects loving Ai as his mother. Subconsciously it's the exact opposite. I think this is points to Aqua as not fully accepting his current existence. I think he considers himself as a stranger or an invader inside another person's body.
@@Haiyami its normal aqua was 27 almost 30 on his previous life how could he recognise someone younger than him and who he had interactions with previously as his mom?
@@Haiyami we do know since ep 1 that he doesn´t care like after ai´s death he was ready to end himself he said calmly as well and doesn´t care what happens after his revenge
Aka Akasaka started another manga recently and there is an even larger focus on psychology in it
I really hope it gets an anime, Ed is going to love it
in the topic of "using levels of educations as a weapon" : my art teacher always told me to talk to your clients' level of understanding, maybe even lower so they can understand what you're going for and you can create that key communication to get the vision right.
damn good thing freud wasn't alive to see this, man would have single handedly seen to the inflation of underwhere prices, due to the amount of NUT HE BUSTED at this episode. I shudder to think at what might come next.
-Look under their!
-Under wear?
-Haha I made you say underwhere
If Aqua is an Evil Ed then Akane is definitely our normal Ed XD
new style of chat display, nice. thank for the free therapy. i love some more oshi no ko.
Man, I really wish I could watch these videos in their entirety. But I just don't have enough time in the day. Your reactions are really good, and your analysis and thoughts are very interesting
Nana sen yon hyaku is 7400. Mistranslation in the subs, but 7400 retweets is hella impressive regardless.
My worry about Akane is that she doesn’t have a really grounded sense of self. She doesn’t know who she really is, but give her a role to bury herself in, and…. Wow.
I never thought method acting was healthy when I studied acting in college, but I only dabbled in it. I did discover I’m pretty good at improv though and it helped my portrayals of NPCs at the TTRPG tables. And I think that was the issue with Akane early on in the show. She’s a method actor without a clearly defined self but couldn’t find a role to be.
“How do you know about Ai?” It’s the same reason why people in Texas still wear Selena t-shirts (Tejano idol killed by her fan in the 90’s) or other people still wear John Lennon tees even though they’re 2, 3, or even 4 generations removed from the performer.
But it still sounds like a distant reference for someone to know especially when those involved are too young to know what happened.
It is the equivalent of a person claiming to have been born after 2001 knowing full details of the 9/11 attacks but no historical reference to the event, no movies, documentaries or memorials would have been made in all that time until today.
In the world of Oshi no ko, it seems that Ai's death would have been like a forgotten story at the time Aqua is in the reality show for most of the showbiz people and general public in Japan (Selena Quintanilla was known in the United States and a large part of Latin America and John Lennon is remembered for being a world-class star)... That's why the fact that Mem is the only person who gives so many details about her name and the idol band she was in, being supposedly as young as Aqua and the rest of the cast makes many raise an eyebrow (Especially Aqua) at why she knows so much while Akane's response is "The idol who died a long time ago?" as if she didn't know anything else about her at that moment.
Notice that it is Mem who has to do a Google search on her Smartphone to show an Ai picture to Akane.
THE SPIT TAKE RETURNS LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Might wanna start putting up those akane posters on that wall of yours
Akane posters all over you say 👀👀
Your analysis is so incredible, I'm learning so much from your videos! I'm a new viewer on your channel and your in-depth breakdown of this show has been so entertaining and spot-on. I've only watched the Oshi no Ko stuff but I'll definitely check out the other stuff as well when I have time! As a person in the medical field as well I appreciate how approachable you are, how engaged you are with your community and how passionate you are at educating us about your field of work. My field is urology but I've always had interest in psychology, so watching you has been very eye-opening about stuff that's even happening in my own life. I'm currently going to therapy about some stuff like anxiety and self-doubt, so your content is very relatable and real. It's difficult for me to watch you live because of my work schedule and me living in Europe but I'll be following you from UA-cam and try and tune in some time on Twitch if I'm free. Keep up the good work, you're amazing!
You need to make an edit of the Akane reveal with your comments about 'girl 3' in the OP analyses.
you're now my favorite cooking youtube. constantly cooking up a storm every episode
5 minutes in and bro is already a wizard calling shit again
When Aqua first said he trace the way to convenient store is because Aqua probably got the Akane address, because he is literally in front of the house with the family name sign in front call Kurokawa is which Kurokawa Akane Full name, and realistically speaking to trace the closest or the path with the most possibilities that Akane will take to convenient store is likely to be only one or two place, so i would firmly think that Aqua have no bad intent. Anyway if there are more psychological aspect underlying I would want to learn more
Also keep in mind that Aqua says that Mem had told him that she was looking for Akane, perhaps she told him where nearby Akane might have gone. Aqua found Akane halfway to the convenience store.
1:18:41 the chat from her onwards.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
Really shows the true nature of netizens.
Apparently rn Ai is second place as Japan’s best mom, and to that i simply said:
“Ai wasnt the BEST milf anime mom, but she definitely was a good mom.
She spent much more time with her kids than most celebrities and, hell, even most average joes do;
made even more impressive by the fact that she herself is the product of a broken home.
She loved them; she showed that she cared about them; even told her kids and Miyako about how much she wants to do for them; prioritized her kids when others wouldnt have; etc etc.
Ofc, she can never be the BEST mom cuz at the end of the day:
She was an extremely flawed person, being two face af.
She was lying pretty much 90% of the time.
Her ideology not only would lead to her eventual downfall, but would also rub off on her kids, leading to Aqua’s impulsive lying and manipulation.
And,
She couldnt tell her kids that she loved them until she already had both feet out the door, which would leave them both horrifically traumatized and scarred from the experience.
She was def a great mom, but she was by no means the best lol”
I found it kinda funny how chat was like defending Akane when you were breaking down her process. Of course it is anime so not every detail will be reached in the proccess, only the key ones so that Akane’s intelligence is highlighted with maybe a bit of process skipping to cutdown on time as well.
Yes i understand the irony of my comment.
Honestly i cant tell which of my masks has more power over me i know at my core im kind, soft, timid and generous. But the moment I became aware of my emotions, I started wanting to cut them out at the same time politics, psychology and sociology started to interst me and in that i started to form a mask of obsession, and a craving for power. I always have this mask on even around my own family. And yes i am isolating myself have been for years now. I could give every excuse for why but truthfully i am hurting and thats because I recognized the true world
I live in was not some golden age like I belived it to be and all my ambitions for a peaceful relaxed life as a marine biologist or artist ended.
Lmao came for your reaction of Akane becoming AI Did not get disappointed. Bro fr i choked on air idk how when i heard Akane. Damn some of the phycological stuff you use like Maslow hierarchical structure and Hertzberg etc I've learnt some of it in Business Studies.
Anyhows this show took me a while to watch these unedited streams are very long but i enjoy them hope next time i can tune into the livestream. Didn't expect more theories about the music video ig English language really helped
33:19 the real Ai Hoshino is the friends we've made along the way
Момент ,когда ЭД опять выплёвывает воду на клавиатуру в конце прекрасен.
Akane was cooking 🍳🍳🍳
I so genuinely love these Oshi no Ko analysis videos as they always make my week so much better. Thank you Ed for taking the time to make these and I hope to have the time to watch one live some time.
40:55 Aqua knows what route she takes to the convenience store because he creepily micromanages anything adjacent to him emotionally so as to prevent anything from traumatizing him ever again. Also, because he is a weirdo.
1:52:50 Mem literally came onto Aqua last episode saying she was taking it easy, but that it would be a different story if he wanted to pursue a relationship with her.
Aqua IS a stalker, one with a heart of gold, but still a stalker.
Oh I see we begun with another OP analysis 😂😂😂
u might want to avoid drinking anything while watching this show🤣. on another note stop the wizardry its too much to handle at this point cooking a michelin star dish every oshi no ko stream
Yeah no more water allowed while streaming ❤️ or watching 👀😂
For the slap scene. I mean, if you were to translate it directly that's what it says. "why did you worry us like that". But the Japanese language is full of sayings that are just "expected" or "usual" to be said in certain situations. To make my point I'll use a thing that happened to me recently. I've been studying Japanese for 3 years now, and I attempted to thank the co-worker who helped me a lot with annoying cross team issues. The following exchange happened:
Me: いつもありがとうございます. (I am always grateful for your help.)
Him: どういたしまして、お役に立てて光栄です. (You're welcome, it's an honor to help you)
NGL, I was a bit taken aback by that honor part. That's a really strong feeling. My teacher didn't seem at all surprised when I told her. So I'm guessing that the part about "why'd you worry is like that" kind of falls in that things you say in these sort of situations, and shouldn't be taken literally.
I'll give you another example from Romanian. It's customary when someone is talking about their kid and you don't know the age, to ask how old the kid is. The exchange would go something like this:
Person: Ah, desi e asa mic, deja a inceput sa mearga. (Ah, despite being so young, he already started walking)
Me: Oh, cati ani are? (Oh, how old are they?)
Person: Are un an jumatate acum. (He's one and a half years old)
In this situation, the usual answers are as follows: 1) Sa-ti traiasca (May he live) 2) Multi inainte (Many [years - implied not said] ahead))
1 is more common than 2. If you take it literally that's some real freaky ass shit implied if you don't say either of them.
So I'm inclined to believe that "why'd you worry us like that" in this situation is the expected "saying" in this setting, and not Yuki literally saying "why'd you inconvenience us with your attempt".
It might also be that it's a "what about us" situation, but considering the outreach that Yuki had with Akane during both the last episode (noticing her panic attack during the shoot and immediately pulling her back to "reality" and having a conversation about what just happened in which they grounded and reaffirmed their relationship, keeping in contact with her afterwards) and this one (being the first through the door at the police station, being the one going for the hug) I'm having a hard time picturing her saying "what about us" and meaning it.
Edit after watching a bit more of what you said: Yea, the slap was out of place, I was only going for the language used :D I can see myself slapping someone but I'd have to be pushed beyond the edge to do it.
Further note, I think Akane's remarks about education was to determine how Ai would be talking. I agree education is used as a tool to bring others down, but I also think that the speech patterns used by educated people differ from those of uneducated people and as such in constructing the role of Ai, that observation was necessary.
I would think the slap was like a “Get a Hold of Yourself, man!” moment, which is a trope in movies and TV series (Literally that's what it's called on the Tv Tropes website) But that in real life is the most inappropriate thing to do after such a stressful situation.
Ayy finally caught up with the analysis
2:54:16 your powers are so over the top that you unconsciously take a slip just to spil it 10 seconds later 😂
I love how your facial expression literally froze for almost a minute xD
This is what I've been waiting for
I think people use the word “abuse” too loosely nowadays. There are parents who even think that something like a child crying during wrestling stance conditioning exercises is abusive when abuse is not that black and white.
Normally, hitting someone happens for one of 2 reasons:
Either the attacker is angry at the target and wants to hurt them, which is abuse;
Or the target is doing something that they know is wrong, yet they still dont care, so the attacker disciplines them.
In both situations, there is aggressive physical contact, but the context is what changes the meaning.
Outside of those usual 2 situations, there is another less common reason:
The attacker has such a wild mix of emotions that they cant find a sound way to express them; or in other words, passion.
The line that separates ‘Abuse’ and ‘Discipline’ is razor thin, but is noticeable if youre paying close attention.
Meanwhile, ‘Passion’ can be a double edge sword, as its neither confined to the ‘Abuse’ or ‘Discipline’ side.
But in this case, Yuki’s slapping Akane was done out of passion that leans towards Discipline, as she’s frustrated, worried, confused, and sad that Akane would even consider taking her own life as a solution; so out of the heat of passion, she slapped her.
As someone who grew up with abuse and mental health issues, i know very well that hitting someone “for disciplines sake” isnt always a viable option.
My belief is:
Some kids learn through listening and advice.
Some kids learn through sight and experience.
Some kids learn through pain and hardships.
And some kids, even through everything, just never learn at all.
When Yuki slapped Akane, it took me aback.
Cuz when i was 8 years old and felt suicidal, i talked to a counselor i was friends with at a club i used to go.
When i told her how i felt, she looked me dead in the eyes with the most serious face and told me, “You better not even think of killing yourself. Cuz if you kill yourself, I’ll find a way to bring you back to life just so i can kick your ass.”
As bad as that sounds being said to an 8 year old, those words stuck with me hard, and it made me realize a little of how people on the outside of these situations feel.
I hate pain. I grew up being hit so damn much, i cant stand any amount of pain at all. Nothing on this planet makes me see more red and hear more static than being forcibly touched by another person. Even today, I’m friends with this girl i used to crush on in HS, and now we’re both aware and certain that we wouldve been an awful couple, as shes into BDSM(especially S and M), and you already know what i think about that stuff.
But theres something completely different about the sentiment in knowing that, if you were to make rash decisions, your loved ones would be there to ‘beat some sense into you*(99% figuratively)
“Abuse” caused by ‘Passion’ in order to ‘Discipline’ a loved one communicates volumes about someone’s feelings of confusion and desperation even more than words ever could.
I know for a fact that if i attempted like that, my friends would be the first people to kick my ass for pulling that stupid shit.
And knowing that my friends would be absolutely livid if i killed myself helps my heart feel a little lighter.
Overall, i think hitting is no bueno, period. And growing up, im 100% certain i wouldve been better off without it.
But, i cant deny that there are some times where it WAS effective, like when i used to steal from people and places all the time.
I just noticed: in the "Ruby hidden under my eyelids" line, "Ai" is hiding her right eye, the one where Ruby does not have a star.
Wow you guess it right ed
The star is a symbol, if someone have determination, will, passion, etc about something they do, they will get the star. Other people will see the eye like usual eye but there's something that attract them to the person with this eye (thats why we as watcher can see the star clearly)
And depends on the intention of his goal, the eye can be bright and dark, like aqua whenever ai was involved, his eyes goes to dark star.
Anyway..... FINALLY AKANED IS REAL
Now you owe us akane mind crawl lmao
Good vids as alwayss thanks ed!
And funfact akane is the first character we saw other than hoshino family ( ai, ruby, aqua ) that activated/unlocked her star
@@SamuelShiina is it kinda a spoiler to just say the meaning or one of the believed to be meanings of the stars?
@@agssilv5919 he already read one of the chat that said that
Also in the manga it is not explained yet, so this is kinda like my theory about the star
I know this is 7 months later but still. You were on to something at the start in the opening. I just want to say, Ed, you COOKED. I won't say what exactly. That's manga spoilers and all but you were on to something.
You're really scary Ed how good you're at reading shows. That's a whole new level of skill you've got.
Judging by your reaction at 2:19:10 I would guess that's not a good thing and I will be curious to found out what implications that could create XD, but I've been wondering: could an Oedipe complex really be applied in this case?
I do not know much on the subject, and I have no psychology background (only NLP), so I'm not trying to diagnose or something the like so if I'm using words or concepts in the wrong way, having false assumption on something or going ahead of myself, just let me know, I'm open to learning :D . This is mostly how I imagine things on Aqua's situation here :)
Here is the question that had comes to mind: if this complex is "built up" through the life of the kid would it really work with a reincarnate person that doesn't take his/her reincarnation as a reset?
Here's my train of thought, since Aqua still see himself as his old self (or at least some part of him) instead of who he actually his, looking through the eyes of his past life for most of his beliefs and experience instead of what is in front of him. Could it be possible that the image he have of his mother is most likely the one in his past life instead of the new one? That his "true" mother is still the one in his past life.
In contrast of Ruby, who seems to have taken her reincarnation as a new start, resetting old beliefs, and viewing things from the present point of view. Where Ai has become her "true" mother, replacing the old one.
Does it somewhat make sense? Yes biologically speaking Ai is his mother in this life, but would this still count as an Oedipe complex since he already gone through life (even beyond where he is currently at) once and doesn't seems to have reset some of his old beliefs/perceptions like Ruby seems to have done?
I would be curious to see people's thoughts about this :)
By the way, first time here, and I am here to stay. I really love the contents and it is really interesting!
Edit: syntaxe
I like seeing you split out water man ! 🤣
This was a wild stream! XD
It indeed was a wild stream and a very wet one 😉😂
@@psyculturists excuse me?
1:20:20 Honestly as someone from India, I am going to be realistic, if a loved one did something like that, I'd probably slap and hug them too. I didn't know, it was controversial in the english crowd.
Amazing song and Great episode
~2:02:40 The line "It's her abdominal aorta. Shit!" was supposed to tip us off that there was nothing even an adult Aqua could have done for Ai at that point. Google says the chances of dying from penetration of the abdominal aorta are 50-70%, and that's under ideal conditions where the stabbing instrument is still in place, preventing blood from flooding out freely. In Ai's case, the stalker sliced it with the knife, which he pulled back out again, leaving the blood to flow freely out of a possibly very large wound. At that point, Ai's fate was sealed and Aqua knew it, which is why, after realizing the nature of her injury, he just gives up and lets her hold him. Obviously, that knowledge doesn't make his survivor guilt any less, but he wouldn't have been under any illusions that he could have done more if he'd been an adult.
It is the way of method actors to interpret their characters.
Robert De Niro prepared and built his character of Travis Bickle for the 1976 movie Taxi Driver being a taxi driver for a while in order to collect anecdotes and experiences between passengers and other fellow taxi drivers as well as visiting and meeting Vietnam vets to see how they behaved and what their thoughts were.
So he’s a psychologist magic martial master
This guy might as well be a god amongst men
One comment speculated Akane's yellow eyes reflect stagelights compared to the real light of Ai's eyes.
I loved that thought since it brings it back to the entertainment industry especially theater - Akane's specialty.
I found your channel when I was watching a clip from the previous episode, and in the comments someone said "Psyculturists is gonna have a field day with this one" or something along those lines.
So I looked you up, and started watching your Re: Zero reaction, because it is one of my favorite anime, and I think it was your first reaction as well, so I got to see the beginning of this channel, and the evolution all the way to season 2. And man, those 50 videos, I've loved every single minute. Some of them I haven't watched so much as listened to while I work, since I know both seasons by heart, and it's been amazing.
So yeah, I found you through a random comment, I know a lot of reaction channels but I'd never heard of you, and that's a crying shame, because your analysis of the characters makes rewatching the show that much better
I've pretty much binge watched your Re: Zero reaction, it's been like, what, 6 days? And I've watched/listened to 50 of your videos already? I've only known about you for a week and I already feel like I've been following you for years. And those were your first videos, with the bad quality camera and clunky background (godly mic tho), looking forward to watching your other reactions! Much love!
Omg thank you 🥹❤️ This comment means a lot to me and also yeah you’ve gone through the big changes from doing Re Zero on a laptop that broke down too many times and where I didn’t know how to do the content to 5hour long videos 😂❤️ Appreciate you a ton
@@psyculturists just one more thing, I've just finished the first Oshi no Ko episode, will watch the 1 hour post episode analysis tomorrow.
First off, yer a wizard Ed, and second, at some point after talking about your friend who passed away, you mentioned being ill.
I'm not here to ask for specifics or anything like that, as you didn't give them when chat asked you live, but whatever is going on, just know that you're bloody amazing. Stay strong man, because you ARE strong, that much I can tell without a psychologist license. I'll try to catch the next stream, even if I haven't caught up with the analysis
2:31:44 " Signs of a developmental disorder unbalanced in a way characteristic of a kid who had sex during puberty"
I think this is a slight subtitle error as in the manga these two sentences were different .
Akane says "Signs of developmental disorder"
And after that
"Emotionally unbalanced typical of kids who had sex during puberty"
So these two sentences were not one in the manga and it didn't specify unbalanced in what way?
Although i have no idea how akane came to the conclusion that Ai had sex maybe because of her affection bias as she desires love? So maybe she assumes AI seeked sex to know what "love" is?
prolly a cultural thing (remember akane has access to a lot of material about ai 8 years of her career as an entertainer) she might have not had that reserved , timid behavior when interacting with boys so that might have lead akane to believe that she had experience and that is why she acted out of line/unbalanced
1:13:41 Nooooooo! Senòr Penguinoo!!!
🗿🗿🗿🗿 Metrics by MEM 🗿🗿🗿🗿
Hey there. Watching your analysis/reaction to episode 6 was one hell of an experience. I felt so many emotions and wanted to say so much that it overwhelmed me and I ended up forgetting to comment (it also took me like 6 days to watch it, so by the time I was done with it, I had already forgotten most of what I wanted to say). Maybe I'll do once I rewatch that video, because I sure as hell am going to rewatch this series in your channel some day. All I'll say for now is, thank you so much for such a great video, for being awesome, and for being here with us 😄😄.
But since I'm here and I don't want to make the same mistake again, I want to ask you about "checking in" with your friends and loved ones. Do you really mean simply saying "hey, how are you doing? Is everything fine?"? Because I can't for the life of me see that eliciting a truthful answer from someone who is in a very dark place (and perhaps not even so dark). I could expect those closest to me to react like that-hell, they usually open up to me about their problems without having to ask those questions, and so do I. But I definitely can't expect the same from other friends or acquaintances. Is there something more to "checking in" that I'm missing? Or is that just the best we all can do for other people, in general?
Spoiler anime: Ruby is the OP half of Ai. All colors are inverted, because, Ruby is the opposite to her mother. At least in the first season, Ruby has refused even telling the slightest lie to her fan, and she genuinely loves it all. She is the inversion of Ai while still following her path. Really interesting
2:22:30 I also found it weird that MEM managed to understand that Aqua was talking about Ai whe he gave such a vague description. Perhaps MEM heard about Ruby and Kana assembling B-Komachi again and that's why she remembered about Ai? Either way, kinda sus that she remembered about Ai so conviniently. I think she has more secrets than just her age.
or perhaps it shows she was old enough to be conscious during Ai´s time and who knows might have been a fan
2:47:50
"Im gonna talk to you guys on your level."
😂Burn on the viewers
Oh dang, I thought this was tomorrow night, can't wait to watch it tomorrow morning
When Akane mentions "Developmental Disorder," the phrase she uses in Japanese is used to refer to stuff like ADHD and Autism, and while it's not _explicitly_ called out, it's made clear, I think, that Ai was written to be on the Spectrum.
2:19:05 I lost it when you spit your water 🤣🤣🤣
bro is spoiling the author with what he cooks🔥🔥🔥
2:30:00 So f'ing funny LMAO
Edit: btw, there's an english cover of Idol I really like by Nicki Gee and an english cover of Mephisto I also like by Dangle
Ed, cuando miras a Akane, ten cuidado, Akane podría devolverte la mirada.
Ed, be careful, when you look at the void, the void could look back at you.