What if we only shot on iPhone cameras?
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
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The iPhone 13 Pro has enough camera features that it might deserve the professional moniker. With three different zoom levels and ProRes codec recording, it might be good enough to replace our video cameras. Well, we rig it up, shoot with it and see what results the phone can give us.
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CHAPTERS
0:00 - Where are all our cameras and Andy?
0:35 - iPhone 13 Pro must-have film making items
1:47 - iPhone 13 Pro Res overview
3:00 - Sponsor - Volta Giga!
3:34 - Ingesting ProRes from an iPhone
4:16 - Why film with ProRes?
6:52 - Final thoughts ProRes on iPhone 13 Pro
7:34 - Outro - Наука та технологія
The early shots when you were moving around under artificial lights were obviously done on a phone, the static shots were fine, and it did well in natural light.
I agree
Agree. The iPhone is amazing even for LMG on occasion, but if you are not making 5k on a video, I’d say it’s still an amazing option.
Perfectly summarised
Computational photography is the future
absolutely
"Getting the absolute highest quality the phone can give" is actually one of the highest compliments you can offer software. Lots of software does not take full advantage of, or gets in the way of, hardware's full capabilities. Thank you for this real world use case demonstration.
And sometimes that software is written that way, so that a more expensive product can come out, without the restrictions, but with a premium price tag, something Apple has no need to do in this day-and-age.
Well, it's not exactly true. With ProRes 422 it's still chroma subsampled to 4:2:2.
To take full advantage of the sensor you'd need 4:4:4. But the phone probably isn't fast enough to write such huge amounts of data, so it's also kinda true.
@@teg24601 But that's exactly what Apple IS doing. They're known for restricting their devices to create artificial product segmentation.
The 128GB versions of the iPhone 13 Pro and iPhone 13 Pro Max don't offer all the video features that were demoed at the unveiling.
If you buy the 128GB version then ProRes video is limited to 1080p at 30fps. In order to get the full 4K at 30fps you will need to cough up an extra $100 and buy the 256GB versions.
@@WorstDeveloper has there been any tests on the storage? the more expensive models might have not only more storage but faster also. wich would... well, not exactly completely justify the higher price tag but at least it makes some sense.
I learned more about ProRes and Codec from this 7 min video than I did during the whole 30min blablabla that Apple did during the phone's launch.
I think that's the case with every conference
Effective selling is usually not about giving the most complete or concise technical information. And that’s why I’m not a good salesman.
It looks pretty good honestly. I can tell it's not the same as the usual camera work at LMG but it still looks just as good or better than most of what you see on UA-cam
Honestly I wouldn't notice the image quality difference but I noticed the audio is a little bit muffled. Or am I just dreaming? Was the audio actually recorded on the iphone?
@@PetrFlosman I'm asking myself the same
Plot twist. All MA vids are shot on iPhone...
@@Gari.Hughes The entire channel is a plot to advertise Apple Products and their Camera Lineup? Pretty cool plot twist- seems reasonable lol.
@@albertshere219 I don’t think so, I think it’s pretty obvious it’s just for people who Wouldn’t give android a chance after their horrible experiences, like me
Goes to show that a good story beats the camera. I could tell from the get-go it was iPhone footage (mostly from the distinguishing grain on indoor, poorly lit shots) but it did not at all detract from the usual quality of MA.
It does say a lot to about the shooters and editors at LMG that people can tell the difference. They’re good enough at their jobs to fully leverage their equipment.
though saying that if this video wasnt on Iphones recording i wouldn't have noticed without it being an extended indoor scene.
@@caijones156 same. In well-lit scenes it does surprisingly well.
@@Justin_Leahy They actually record at 12k now
The thing that is always a dead giveaway is the shutter speed.... its always at like 800, every thing looks stuttery.
That was the most apple only guy pronounciation of DJI I have ever heard
yeah LOL
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
First time I’ve heard DJI pronounced Digi. Interesting.
To the point of the film, yeah the results weren’t bad overall. iPhone has its place, and with practice it can hold its own. I really appreciate discussing how the codecs work and the editing phase. People forget about the backend workflow.
I found the Digi pronunciation of DJI odd, as well. Does he pronounce their southern neighbor as “Ooo-sah” instead of “You-ess-ay”?
@@PhilipLuckey I prefer oo-sah
it is d-J-I.He is pronouncing it wrong
@@kevinmonsen9791 yes I know (was trying to be polite about it)
@@PhilipLuckey In fairness to Horst, he is a transplant from legacy media. Local market cable, I believe. This is probably the first time he has laid eyes on anything DJI. Not a camera geek by trade or training.
it's great, but this greatness let's you appreciate the lmg shooters and editors even more because the "regular" videos do still look notably better
Great video! I think the transfer speed is really the biggest workflow hindrance to this being a viable alternative.
yeah but Airdrop, just use Airdrop said every Apple sheep
@@BlizzardWind99 it's not comparable. You could stretch that you can start airdrop as soon as you enter the room and do other things with your phone while sending but it's still not faster than wired in most of cases and usually slower.
If only Apple finally transitioned to USB-C..
@@vadnegru Wouldn't that drain the phone's battery?
@@jonyricardo2 it's already always connected. So difference will be depending on how much files you need to send.
This is really impressive. I didn't think you could such things just an iPhone, but. When I finished watching the video I accidentally clicked on an another one and I was like, holy shit that's to much better.
You should check out Sam Kolder's "shot on 1plus" video. It's amazing.
You can do A LOT with a phone these days. Especially now that iPhone 13 exists
Director Steven Soderbergh has shot 2 full length movies on iPhone, Unsane and High Flying Bird. Might want to check those out.
I suspected, but could not really tell! Great job. Really appreciate the demonstration. Shout out to camera shooters, and editors :)
Lol I love this channel; you guys are doing such a great job. I always seem to end each MA video with a smile, and that's hard to give someone who may be watching the video solo.
Watching this video makes me appreciate all that much more how professional your usual gear is.
oooh first! also I really didnt think Id be excited for a mac channel on LTT but this channel has been great so far!
This is a great example of how powerful our phones are, but even more so an example of how equipment is no replacement for skill. A master guitarist might play a 10K custom guitar, but she'd still sound amazing on a 200 dollar guitar from amazon. Same thing here. Great camerawork and editing. Most of us wouldn't be able to make something a fraction as good as this even if we were using 50k cameras!
The writing and story telling is top notch.. Great job Johnathan!
I recently switched to shooting on an iPhone. This is actually really insightful. Great content!
I just upgraded from an XR to a 13 Pro, and I love how thin it is. I know it's supposed to be heavier, but maybe my case selection is tricking me? It feels light to me. The only thing that's cumbersome is getting used to the large camera module, mostly when sitting the phone down though. I immediately had a couple chances to try the cameras and night mode shooting, and it's pretty impressive, especially compared to my girlfriend's 11 Pro Max.
Nice, i'm looking to upgrade from my "old" XS, this time the upgrade seems worth it
@@hugazo don’t do it, the new phones don’t have 3D Touch.
Literally just done the same, super chuffed with my decision
the 13 pro is HEAVY
I can’t say anything to the weight of the 13 Pro but the XR is for some reason heavy phone.. was the first thing my mom recognised when she switched to the XR.. maybe it has something to do with the weight distribution..
I have never owned a single Apple product and yet for some reason I watch all of these MA videos.
Same... I don't know why.
You're missing out a lot.
It's obvious a lot of thought has been done for the MA videos. It's unlike any other Apple-oriented channels. I always look forward to watching an MA video.
@@tonyburzio4107 Sorry, but I'm the wrong person for Apple products. I would only buy an iPhone, if it had at least a replaceable battery, USB-C and sideloading like android phones. I tinker with stuff and Apple for me is the polar opposite. I'm not buying a phone without a replaceable battery. No matter the circumstances. Also phones are already good enough for my use. So I don't see the need to update, when Chats/Email/Calendar work the same. The phone I'm typing this message on is running on a reduced clock speed without stutter. 60 Hz and FullHD is completely fine.
@@ChristopherMahn What phone do you own that still has a replaceable battery?
I love how different Mac Address vids are from
Regular LTT or even short circuit videos are
Great editing as usual!
I knew immediately, but that’s just bc I’ve watched SO MANY LTT videos. The video was still shot quiet well. Excellent video idea.
I love this video. And the witty editing and direction
I knew instantly that the shots were done on a phone. Cinema glass looks different (different warping at the edges, shorter DoF unless you’re stopped down to like T-8, and the shots were a wider focal length than would normally be used for a video like this). That said, the quality was still excellent. Just because you can tell the difference doesn’t mean one is “worse” than another.
The quality of this channel man, the quality!
Nice work. Really enjoyed this.
I directly noticed this video was shot on the iPhone but I'm still damn impressed by how adequate it is for the quality standard of this channel
I work with ProRes files regularly, and laughed at the announcement that it would shoot those massive files but still only have USB 2.0 speeds and limited storage. But I loved the explanations, and am pleasantly surprised by the results! I wonder if there are apps to do something similar with my Galaxy if the need ever arises.
This guy is a gem! Great video as always!
Love these videos, Love Andy.
Perhaps the best MA video to date.
another banger of a video from MA!
You and your team really make good content. Its interesting and useful without being patronizing:
saw it in the very first shot that you filmed it with a phone. knew immediately you would film the entire thing on iphone
This was such a creative episode. While I missed Andy's camera work, I loved it. I'm used to camera video losing depth of field, but this video certainly didn't lose much, if any.
Given how much happier Premier was, according to Hoffman, working with ProRes video, would it not behoove LMG to look into moving to cameras that used similar technologies. If it makes the editing process, at the expense of file sizes and storage requirements, that seems like a pretty good trade off? Unless they already are, but some interstitial issue is causing Premier issues.
From what I’d heard from a Wan Show, they’re moving to Sony FX6s, if they hadn’t already. It doesn’t natively support ProRes, however, the FX6 can output a raw feed to an external recorder which can then encode to ProRes.
your videos are always so unique
Such an informative vid! I learned so much!
I remember a few years ago an episode of a BBC tech show (Click) was shot entirely and edited entirely on phones. It turned out surprisingly well.
This was a great video. Very entertaining to watch.
I'm a rube, so I didn't really notice a loss in quality in the shots, but when you did mention shooting with the iPhone, I did figure something was up. I do know these phones are pretty much the best thing you can shoot with short of dedicated professional cameras.
The issue is that you guys absolutely have amazing shots and videos. So this one. Which would be normal in any other channel threw me off
I like that Inception moment at the end of the video 🎬🎥... 🍿
I love the editing style of the mac address videos
This channel does not feel like an LMG property but it totally is at the same time. Like parallel Mac universe.
Aaaandy!
Commenting for the algorithm, I recognise iPhone footage instantly because I’ve spent so many years shooting and editing videos with one 😅 moved over to a Sony A7S3, overkill but I’m loving the quality.
I watch you tube content providers using older Iphones for their footage. Honestly it looks great.
Idc about ProRes , but that plot twist in the end of the video put a smile on me, nice touch
Looks good but I always have the feeling that even though the iPhone shoots in 4K, the video is less crispy and sharp as a regular camera in pretty much every shot but especially indoors, even though you have proper studio lights.
Yeah, the only time my video ever looks like it’s legitimately resolving 4K is in sunshine. Then it looks absolutely mind blowing to someone who’s been a camera nerd for 25 years. Indoors in low light, it’s a phone.
3:34 roasting the Magic Mouse over its charge port placement never gets old for me
Loved David snatching that camera in the beginning. You snooze you lose! Haha
Would love to see a revisit to this video
I love this guy!
Second 0:12 i felt something was off and combined with the video title i quickly figured that the video itself was shot with an iphone.
In the studio-soundstage shots it is barely recognizable. But yeah sound is not as great as it is usually.
Anyway great video jonathan an hoffman!
For shots that have changing framerates like the one at 1:47 where there is a speed ramp up, Assuming you are using Final Cut Pro, You may want to turn on optical flow. It is located in the retiming settings next to Frame Blending and Speed Settings. It analyzes the video, comparing each frame and creates frame in-between, allowing for a slow motion effect that does not compromise on frames. Sorry for the long comment! just wanted to be as clear as possible :)
Did you watch the video?? They literally said they editted it on premiere Pro lmaoo but premiere pro have optical flow too so it works out I guess LOL u didn't watch the whole video
@@bingplayz This is an apple channel and apple owns/develops final cut pro, I just wanted to hand out a useful tip
Great video as always. You could tell that it war filmed on an iPhone because you could notice noise and a soft image.
This channel is really underated
It's amazing to me that Apple puts so much effort into having their devices be able to produce such high quality videos, and yet, when you want to transfer these massive files they have used a port that only supports speeds so low that it takes many hours to transfer. Why do they resist using standard USB C so much?
The funny thing is the iPad has a lightning 3.0 port with 3.0 speeds, so I can’t for the life of me understand why they can’t at least put that in the iPhone.
@@jimjamjon2285 Plus the M1 Macs having USB 4 and they're effectively based on the phone SoCs, so just why?
@@davexmit That's a terrible answer, network transfer speeds are worse than USB 2.0... I know Apple's money hungry but I think you're wrong about iCloud being the reason for this
I know it's from 3 months ago
But to put it simply, when Apple moved from the 30 pin to the lightning cable a lot of companies were really mad about it, having to now make a new product to fit a different cable slot. Even if it's only minor it's still a huge cost.
And of course Apple Certified cables, they do generate Apple a fair chunk of income, not enough to cause a hindrance to their income, but enough to say "hmm I DO like this extra bonus so maybe I will keep it"
Eventually they're gonna have to use USB-C however, I doubt people will support a full wireless system
USB C is just a port type after all, you can be USB C and still be stuck at USB 2.0 speeds, which to be fair is what most Android phones do still.
Andy getting hugged reminded me that "oh yes this is a LMG video" XD I may not be a iOS person but I love seeing what the capabilities are of the devices on the other side as a android user.
Sony's Cinema Pro app says hello! :D
This guy deserves way more subs
I feel like what you’re also asking is “are dedicated camera professionals still necessary?” and the answer has been, is, and forever shall be YES. (as an amateur who has shot video on iPhones since before it was supported.)
Great video!
Aside from the first shots (and of course, the title) it looked pretty good for Phones Only.
I haven't seen you upload since last year!
I love this channel, omg why do you make so few videos. You guys are almost a year old. And still have a slow irregular schedule.
Would love to see how this compares to shooting with the Sony Xperia (yes I know it's an apple channel but this video production has sparked a really interesting idea of what you guys would do with a dedicated camera phone)
i could tell from the opening shots. i expected the video to be far better than my 12's camera, but it's not so professional that i'd consider upgrading tbh. I'll happily wait a few years. maybe 2 or 3 minimum
I work for a small tv station, and the work camera maxes out at 35Mbps. But it’s “fine” so they don’t want to upgrade.
Sometimes I shoot footage with my iPhone because it actually makes a better image.
The old camera does have XLR inputs, ND filters, and optical zoom though. Yay.
I had never knows what 4:2:2 was or that HEVC only did chroma per four pixels. I always learn something new with this show!
HEVC supports various chroma sampling formats. They're probably just referring to what the HEVC encoding format of some device or software offers.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Video_Coding#Profiles
It doesn't look bad. It's just not deceptively put together. For example if you do the long focus pulls and use the gimble to make smooth sweeping transitions, you can stitch together something quite close to what one would expect a normal average youtube video to be. I also don't know if there is now a way to shoot in 24 rather than 30 frames. That too would make a difference. Over all great video and content as always. Cheers!
I often shoot video in Dolby Vision 1080 and It really lifts the lighting and white balance quality and UA-cam automatically creates an SDR and HDR versions. Gives very nice indoor lighting.
Good job!
You did great, some topic like this or the EarPods cleaning could be shot by you without us really noticing. But other topic wouldn't be as enjoyable, the shooting done for the video about the iPad for example feel really "artistic", the outdoor scenes, the poses/exposure really change the tone of the videos that makes them apart of similars videos.
Love your work, and love your videos!
It was immediately obvious - the colour and fov very first shot, as well as the audio quality, were all glaringly different to other recent LMG videos. Still amazing quality and great content as always. Definitely noticeable but not in a bad way.
Just by the title and opening but it looked good to me!
Your message notification sound effect at the end had me scratching my head at the wondering why I didn't see any new red dots pop up in the dock... I get random mystery notification sounds on my iPhone sometimes, but NEVER on the Mac(s).
I'm not keen on the idea of taking video - or even photos - on my iPhone. My small collection of mirrorless Sonys have better looking output by a massive margin and I find the results far easier to manage with memory cards and 3rd party applications. The iPhone is only used for inconsequential images for notetaking or quick communication purposes. If Apple lets me write directly to removable media bypassing photostream/icloud then I'd give it a 2nd look.
Man I love these intros
This shows something I think most people miss, prores is not about more quality immediately, it is about more data and versatility in post
This is addictive
When you crop the video it’s kind of obvious but it’s still really impressive. I almost cannot tell the difference
ProRes video on iPhone makes sense in action scenes, there's it's obvious how much better it looks.
Im just imagining a random bystander watching Jonathan set up a shot of himself setting up a shot, using 2 iphones
WHAT DO YOU MEAN première hasn't crashed ?? That's illegal hands off keyboard and mouse I'm seizing this computer
OK the mouse gag at 3:43 is great
The mics from the wired apple earbuds from my experience are pretty good
from the thumbnail and title, I assumed it was shot on an iphone, but it was really high quality. one shot seemed to jump from one iphone camera to another abruptly, not sure if that was a zoom in done in editing or an actual camera switch in software while shooting.
The entire video was shot on iphone? I didn't notice. I only thought a very small part. Nice!
Jonathan making the most out of a little!!
These are UA-cam videos. Using the iPhone is perfect and cost effective. UA-camrs thinking they need RED or 8K cameras are simply dillusional. Great work!
Always thought iPhone shots looked a little over sharp, noticed that from the start of this episode. Still better than I’d expect from a phone though
some of those shots reminded me of like, food network shows
SmallRig will be a great addition
audio also impacted so much I think, its muffled a bit on outdoor scene
Using iPhone for videoshoots can be really beneficial if you really need small and light equipment. I remember story about one Russian TV channel in which crew used iphones, small gimbles and wireless LAVs to shoot on-site reports and sending records back to HQ via internet. I specifically remember they praised tech for ability quickly setup and start shoot almost instantly
I thought the interior shots looked a bit flat, but it's fine for what was needed. It's pretty good if all you already have an iPhone in your pocket & want to shoot something, but it's not replacement for a real video camera. High bitrates are nice, but you need a decent lens if you really want to be 'pro'.
Last I got the regular 13; This year I'll jump to the 14 Pro and fully take advantage of the prores.
Honestly: the theme of the video I don't flipin care about.
But man that is a nicely directed and edited piece. :)
How about using airdrop for transferring the videos to the Mac? Shouldn't it be faster?
I have been using iphone12 pro for my videos sense 2020 and using air drop for ingesting my videos I don't use prores and has been great for me
The lightning port is the only thing stopping me from upgrading to a 13 pro this year. I’m praying the 14 switches to USB C and also the cheaper mid range model comes with 120hz display as I’m not much of a photo taker
You are more likely to get USB3 compatible Lighthing rather than USB C on the iPhone... for many, varied reasons.
@@teg24601 Actually I think Europe just put through a new law stating all phones and devices need to have USB C within the next 2 years, so the question is whether it'll be the 14 or 15. I agree though that Apple wouldn't switch it if they had the choice
did you also use an iPhone camera for the whole video??? awesome