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@Digital DJ Tips here is what I'm missing the most: 1. "current track played ID, easy broadcast to OBS stream DJs 2. Water/Dust proof improvement's 3. Open source Rekordbox/XDJ options for "add-ons", like PioDj "vst" 4. Official discord for @Pioneer DJ "fans", to collect real info from real people for real innovations 5. Generally lack of innovations: you put a processor in CDJ with lots of power, but not utilizing it fully 6. How about "crash reports" via internet directly to @Pioneer DJ support 7. Stop commenting officially from @Pioneer DJ support on "current track played ID" solution: "put a GoPro above CDJ's LCD screens" 8. Open source the @Pioneer DJ pro-link for 3rd party "add-ons" 9. If @Pioneer DJ plays the "I'm dominant in the DJ equipment area", will stop the innovation approach 10. All above will be scrapped by @DJ Mag top100 DJ's, as they are "addicted" to @Pioneer DJ, due clubs/vanues has over stockpile of @Pioneer DJ equipment, Sad Thanks for reading
@@amritabhaktas You've always been able to play unanalyzed files - all the way back to the 2000 when Rekordbox was introduced - you just loose all of the waveform and quantization benefits that you get by processing your files.
On getting them out of the box? We thought exactly that. But having DJed on them for a few days, we realised that they actually make CDJ DJing fun, in a way it wasn't before (for us), because they feel much closer to controller DJing. That's worth a lot.
@@digitaldjtips jesus are you paid by Pioneer, you can get that feel and more for nearly £1000 less per deck. They ARE a controller, a ridiculously expensive and not market leading one.
@@Chuggnuts What is the actual real-world benefit to using Denon? What is the feature you actually use? Or are you just trying to take a political stance against Pioneer's monopoly? Because you're actually a working DJ then you're only making your life harder by not keeping your music collection inside the Pioneer ecosystem.
@@RaquelFoster in general, recently Denon have offered more features, for a better price. It's not just the sc6000 Vs cdj3000 either, it's the same with cheaper products. I can't deny that I strongly dislike pioneers monopoly because I don't think it's healthy for anyone except Pioneer, but the cdj3000 is almost offensively arrogant towards potential customers if you ask me, is there any reason for them to be nearly £1000 more than the competition? I do have to say that it's entirely possible to avoid using cdjs though, it's not true that you HAVE to, although I once did buy a pair of cdjs when 1210's started becoming rarer in booths just because I felt I HAD to and I instantly regretted it (and went down the controller route instead, fortunately cdjs had gone up in price so I didn't lose a penny...) The sc6000 will read and analyse recordbox usb's so that's one benefit of having them in clubs, pioneers ecosystem is not so flexible.
Digital DJ Tips I don‘t think this is a valid excuse for not having dual-deck capability. Sure, working with dual deck is kind of messy. But it is not that you are getting your arm twisted if you buy 4 Players if this is better for you. People with a moderate budget can get 2+2 standalone decks for a reasonable price - all others can buy 4 players. So what is the problem having dual deck capability?
Ha ha, that's not what we meant! The old jogwheels had pretty noisy bearings in them - they were super hardwearing, but hardly felt refined. That's what has been fixed up here.
Also the ability to add an onboard SATA Drive built in, controller support for other software platforms, a motorized version of you want it, really good pitch algorithms.. the list goes on... would you not agree ?
or intelligent touch screen, WIFI, SATA drive, no internal track analysis, no cross platform support, 1 USB port. Pioneer have dropped the ball on a £2.1k unit.
I think the target market for these players aren't massively upset by this. in festival and club environments i think people would prefer SD and USB sticks.
The only problem is (i switched from Pio to Den) that the software Engine OS and also Engine Prime is not that stable but it got tons of updates so it's just like to wait. :D
So many people commenting on their dissatisfaction of the cdj3000 and of pioneer in general. People saying it's too little too late etc. What is it that you really need? Are all these functions that you're so upset aren't included really functions that you would use and need? I'm not a massively complex DJ, so maybe I don't need the functionality that is apparently missing here. They look awesome. Yes they are very expensive, but this isn't really aimed at bedroom djs. There are loads of controllers in the range from the ddj 400 through the all in one xdjxz. The Denon fans are so quick to scrap anything pioneer releases, and it's just the same as the age old Mac Vs PC debate. If you like the Denon more, great! If you like pioneer more, great. The truth is that these will be in all decent clubs (or at least the vast majority) and Denon will not be the club standard in the foreseeable future. That is the main reason why I won't be shifting to denon and investing in the whole engine ecosystem any time soon but I will never say never!. Thanks for the in depth review Phil. But what an unfortunate time to release this unit!
I love pioneer but denon absolutely walks all over this more usb inputs multi touch screens ability to store a 2.5 inch ssd drive so basicall have your whole library WiFi enabled so u can get songs from soundcloud beatport & tidal (not that I use them) but its there and it analyses songs in the player not having to go through rekordbox 1st which is a Ballache in its self and it works with every dj software including reckordbox pioneer have literally become the apple of the dj world we as djs waited to see what they come up with to contend with and this is it we as pioneer fans are dissapointed
Well the reason I bring my Denon set everywhere if clubs or venues won't offer them is mostly the roll/slice stuff which offer a lot more creativity. Also, the mixer offers the filter and effects simultaneously giving you again more creativity. The double layers are interesting too: you sometimes throw in a loop, add an acapella, do some scratching or beat looping/rolling/slicing with the 3rd deck etc. On a Pioneer you'd need at least 3 decks to do that. But what I miss most is on board analysis. I honestly no longer waste too much time prepping sets. I check Beatport, make a list of the tracks I like, I take the set to the venue. If they have WiFi, fine. If not, I use my cell phone as access point and I just stream the tracks directly from beatbort. I know you"ll say; that's not how the pro's work but I don't care. I do of course have a big disk with a lot of new and old tracks as well which are sorted/ordered etc. But still, the WiFi streaming saved me weeks of prepping time. Once you have it you can't miss it anymore. The only reason Pioneer has the market is because DJ's are bloody lazy
another over priced product from pioneer dj to take your money...its a shame..good news is that i am so glad that i went for the denon SC6000..with my 2 denon SC6000 i could play 4 decks in the same time and like 50 more features
I can't see much of an advantage on this over the Denon players even the SC5000's which i have. Lack of dual layer is also quite disappointing. It'll be interesting to see how this develops with things like dual layer and streaming. For the money it's just not great value buy one get one free on Denon. These are designed to be in clubs and festivals but i hope Denon starts making inroads as Pioneer just aren't doing it.... it's a rehash of what they've done. You can have a decent mixer and 2 Denon players as a bedroom DJ.... go laidback Luke!
Dual layer is never going to come to these, that would have been a hardware decision (it would have needed more sockets around the back). As you say these are designed for clubs and festivals - which of course makes this a monumentally bad time to launch them!
They are though, top end clubs installations and festivals - Denon are slashing prices to get their stuff into booths which is a good idea but one that Pioneer obviously don't feel the need to do. Pretty much no price increase for a much better unit seems right to us
They still slashed prices though as they were much more expensive when they first came out, the SC5000 for example dropped from $1899 down to $999 many outlets covered this
Also having watched the full video feels to me a bit like some of the 'new' features are on their current units so having used an RX2 2 years ago there's lots in the menus for example that are the same. I'm sure they are excellent units for the pio user just in isolation not as great as we'd all hoped they would be. Also i agree with what some others have said that the hot cue buttons should be below the platter and not above...
They basically added just enough to stop people from switching to Denon. Quite a shame really, I am baffled that it can't even analyze tracks on its own.
@@digitaldjtips Yeah, we all know how pioneer works by now hahaha. Great review as always, I'm sure the players are great but the Denons certainly seem more attractive to me.
@@digitaldjtips Also it's probably not there yet because the primary demographic for this are clubs and festivals where DJs should have everything ready
@@jeremiasidoroff6454 ... which is still no excuse, or at least, just a very poor one. But yeah, speaks a lot that Pioneer only cares about the top 20% acts and ignores the rest of their user base, like mobile or smaller club DJs...
These aren't players made for amateur djs with loads of assistance. They're made for world touring djs who are used to pioneer and can't be bothered to learn anything new. They'll reign supreme as long as that remains the case.
yeah not sure I'm a fan of the new cdj's. Honestly, not much had to be improved. a couple things here and there. Mabey where the hot cue buttons are, those could be pads used for other things. Honestly, it kind of looks like a downgrade
It doesn't feel like a downgrade to use - the screen and the responsiveness, the key sync/shift, the new hot cues alone make it feel totally different to play on.
To me it’s overfull with Buttons and looks to much in 1 place! And the que placement looks like your going to Tap the jogwheel when your using que points. And the screen is not anno 2020. Pioneer is strong in Rekordbox but is that going to help them? I think no clubs are going to upgrade to cdj 3000 from nxs2 no real big thinks to do it. Also sc6000 looks cleaner and more professional now and cdj 3000 more like a gimmick in my opinion.
@@Xer0.Visual5 Agreed, the SC6000 is much cleaner and simpler - the CDJ-3000 does look cluttered. There are too many legacy buttons (the looping and memory cues). That said, we do think you'll see clubs upgrading as Pioneer DJ introduces more software features, and as DJs start to insist on the 3000s.
@@digitaldjtips but i really think this player is also going to help Denon and the SC6000. In this time in the world there is way more time for bigger DJs to think about Switching. Here are already some big names with Denon and i really think the CDJ 3000 is going to help Denon with getting more people going to the SC6000, plus the NextGen DJs will look better before making a Call on what there going to use. And i think that is good for everyone.
@@digitaldjtips yeah it may not feel like a downgrade but unfortunately some features are lost. And I agree with @kevin.R everything does look overcrowded.
Maybe it's not that stupid, because venues that do have the spare cash can now test out the units, upgrade their gear, and gain experience and confidence until they can open again. Top-End CDJs are expensive anyway.
That's awesome! I still have one of my CDJ-500-II's from 1996 that still works. It was $1600 brand new -- only had looping and Master Tempo, that's pretty much it. Took forever to load, had no anti-skip, but it was amazing.
Maybe I'm the only fan of the retro spinning LEDs on CJDs? I just don't like DDJ-1000 screens. It looks like you took a cheap phone screen and tried to make it look round by masking off part - which is exactly what the DDJ-1000 screens are. These look better, but... they're still emulating that screen look. I hope I can turn off that blue stripe which does nothing but indicate it's in vinyl mode... and maybe even turn off artwork and have a more interesting spinny graphic.
MPU which can't analyze on the fly, requested years ago already. Memory buffer which is still so small that I can only do an 4-beat emergency loop. No multi-touch. Basic flaws, just to remind we are not talking about lack of Wifi, Dual Deck or Performance Pads solely.
Anyone with common sense will get the ddj1000 controller which still has more features and is 4 times less the price then just use them/2000s at the clubs that can waste money on that sort of shit. DVS is where I would rather spend my money at this point. I really expected them to have cloud stuff built in and be motorised tbh. The thing is the world has changed and club scene is now dead for a longterm now so really there is just no point in buying these at all. I love pioneer still, but nah sorry. We are all let down. Dennon lead the way in players.
@@digitaldjtipsits true that they are not completely necessary but they are innovative. Nobody expected Denon to do this and this made the sc5000m and sc6000m unique. This cdj will certainly be great for mixing no doubt but it's really boring there is nothing that makes it stand out. Also for the high price I at least expected something cool and exciting that we haven't seen before.
@@digitaldjtips not true. a lot of us "had" to switch to cdjs because clubs wouldn't take care of their technics turntables. now that we have that option, I'm fully down with Denon
another excellent and detailed review, thanks Phil. i'm completely with you here. these are really good within the realistic amount of change a market leader can make with their flaship product. you simply can't tear up the rulebook if you have 90% of the market, due to the potential risk of alienating your core audience. great additions - key sync!!!!, the processor, 8 hot cues!!! (not 100% sold on the positioning, but i can see the argument for taking them away from the palm rest area), and of course the screen. also, shifting a lot of useful functionality to hardware buttons is also a massive plus i also agree that some of the stuff that's 'missing' seems certain to be introduced at some point through updates, so i won't be getting too worried about that. i do hate these tedious dennoners vs pioneers arguments, but i know why we have them. both are really great devices, incorporating many of the great things controllers have brought us in recent years. the important thing from this launch is that if i owned a club and needed to update, i'd feel in safe territory to stay within pioneer's infrastructure. it may feel lame to some, but pioneer appear to have done 'enough' with the 3000's. probably more than enough really. if it was a completely level playing field with all clubs starting from scratch, maybe dennon has the slightly better offer, but that's not the reality.
Imho that '"you cannot completely change it too much if you are the leader" is as bogus as they come. Sorry if this sounds too harsh. Don't know how to say it otherwise. Pioneer started too late with this and had to release something. THey just underdeveloped it and felt, pff, we own the market anyway so screw them. There is no excuse for not having dual layers; That won't change your workflow. There is no excuse for not having WiFi. Won't change your work flow. Imo these cue buttons under the screen are sooooo wrong: you can accidentally touch the platter and stop your music when it's in vinyl mode. They just put them there because people would otherwise say: ha you see? They copied Denon. I mean, the buttons are even exactly the same... It's a nice upgrade for sure but given what it brings and what the Denon costs the CDJ should not be 1 cent more than 750USD.
Hey Phil. I think this is one of your best reviews. On point and a really good and detailed explanations of the new features. ...must've been hard to keep a straight face these last few days with all the speculations :) .
I commented on a video a few days back saying "I don't think they will come close to what Denon have brought out lately" I think I was right. It still ain't enough.
These aren't players made for consumer djs / for high assistance djing. They're made for world touring djs who are used to pioneer and can't be bothered to learn anything new. They'll reign supreme as long as that remains the case & as long as they're on tech riders. Doesn't really make sense to judge Cdjs at a consumer level - you want continuity at the club level - imagine if every club opted for a different set up, it would just be a nightmare.
@@Anis-gs7sv find it unlikely that the majority of the industry will move to denon. Most clubs stock pioneer by default and i dont see them buying double the gear for a minority of djs.
Agree .. there So much Buttons and No Multi touch! Really its 2020 and sorry but que point are on a place where your touching the jogwheel when Tapping.
@@fidsey2 Denon did just enough that their players will last for the next 5 years. Pioneer said they don’t have to jump ahead in time because djs will buy their product no matter what. Denon has clearly given us what we deserve and needed. The only thing they need to re-work is Engine. Now that Pioneer has shown their hand, I hope they get the right people to address that.
@@Xer0.Visual5 Pioneer won’t position the ques under the jogweel due to them being in the way. Obviously this doesn’t apply to their controllers though.
Hot cues are in a horrible place! No idea why they didn’t just make a CDJ like on the XDJ XZ where it just has a performance pad section with loops, slips, FX and jumps!
Good review guys! I personally feel they are an improvement to the cdj lineup but could still be improved, Pioneers hardware seems to always go the distance without issues! I’ve been fortunate enough to have both but for now Denon is my weapon of choice. People will buy what appeals to them, good to see both companies switching it up🤙
My question is Pioneer gave the CDJ 3000 a wrong name, it does not have a CD Player built in, It is a Media Player and should not be associated anymore with CDJs. It should be in the XDK category with the XDJ 1000MK2 and the XDJ 700. It should be called the XDJ 3000 Media Player.
Agreed it "should" be following the logic of their last releases but it seems CD's are gone for good with Pioneer and CDJ is their most recognisable line so makes sense to keep the name
Interesting. I actually just switched from Denon (X1800/SC5000m) to Pioneer (V10 / CDJ3000) and I could not be more happy. To me, it was like moving up from a Golf GTI to a 911. Pioneer has absolutely nailed it imo.
Is this the best they can do after how many years, awful placement of hotcues and too small, still the clunky looping. I really hope clubs start switching to Denon
ITT: a lot of people who don't DJ outside the house screaming about how great Denon is. Holy shit: good luck with those club gigs with Denon CDJs that totally, acttually exist irl.
My DJ name is Barry G I've been using Pioneer equipment for over 10 years I've recently switch to Denon I think Pioneer have done what they need to do do the only thing I don't agree with is the cost compared with the Denons I had a set of of Nexus 2000 2 and I thought for a leading company the paneer in Nexus 2 was very sluggish for the money what you had to pay for them Denon DJ thumbs up for bringing out a product what is priced fairly unlike pioneer so thumbs down to Pioneer I've got a sc6000 very happy I sold my Nexus 2s and got changed back from buying a full setup of Denon prime sc6000 and 1850 mixer now that is value
Thanks Barry, we definitely hear you regarding the price - Pioneer hasn't ever been cheap but they've worked hard for a long time to charge what they do and for a lot of DJs to see the value
Listen before blindly defending Denon because you can read a feature list off the internet, try actually using the equipment. Denon vs Pioneer is not new, and over history Denon has proved to be a lesser built product. Pioneer builds their products like absolute tanks, could they have done more feature wise? Sure, but how many features are you actually going to use when using this equipment live? Yeah its nice to be a fancy pants mix king in your bedroom but don't kid yourselves, when you are in front of the crowd you will be hyper focused on song selection more than anything else. Pioneers layout has always proved king when you're under pressure. Not to mention those SC players are UGLY...
@@digitaldjtips you must be joking. Technology advancement using state of the art electronics is what the others are already doing... pioneer is far behind.
This video makes it’s abundantly clear that Pioneer has missed the mark drastically. Their first major update to the CDJ since 2011 and this is the best they could come up with ?? Weak! The “touch screen” not being compatible with screen gestures or multi-touch is utterly pathetic. These actions are now standard for nearly every touch sensitive display being used today. For anyone who uses the “hot cue” pads, their location on the CDJ doesn’t make a lick of sense. If you’re working those pads you surely don’t want to be reaching across the sensitive platter, tempo slider, and play/cue buttons time after time. The icing on the cake? The sickening price tag on this already outdated platter. Denon is legit years ahead of pioneer. Not impressed, and disappointed.
@@TheFunkloft True, after this release from Pioneer, now is a chance for their rivals to make an impact. But looking at the strangle hold pioneer has on the pro / club market it's a very difficult task.
I think that's a very unfair assessment, these are markedly better than the Nexus players and they have the power and capabilities to add features down the road
they say it's targeted festival DJ's, which not a lot of functions, just the essentials. SO why don't you mix with you iphone Djay app then? Too much excuses blha blah, people just wanted the functions to be offered, it doesn't matter if they use it or not, they just want the price to justified. Not this half ass crap.
It's about not rocking the boat so to speak and alienating their core audience, take James Hype for example - has been able to pretty much plug them in and get to work without being slowed down, for busy DJs like him it's appreciated
Such a big player and no space for a cd slot :( Yes, you play with an USB stick. But it was a nice Option to play / mix fast with a cd track without analizing it before in record box.
You don’t have to analyse music in order to play with it, it will play in exactly the same way from the USB drive as it does from the CD. You just miss out on all the good stuff that pre-analysing gives you
@@digitaldjtips Image Pioneer did the mechanic and Apple the chipset, software and screens😆 But you are right, we still need to be aware that our Job as DJ is keept in Human hands as much as possible. 👍
When I got my Denons I found out they had WiFi a year before they announced it by reading the instruction manual, and in it there was a warning that the device produced radiowaves, so if it says that in the manual, they likely have WiFi on board.
@@digitaldjtips Not at all, but there are alternatives for clubs and Festivals that cost less that the €2k+ price tag, and this is the point Edward makes. He may well think the Denon SC6000 is overpriced i guess but why does it have to be that because they are going into Clubs etc you should expect them to cost a lot ?. Im just making a point that there are alternative affordable options, and as it happens its a Denon product that is this option. Would you not agree they are an affordable option ?
Thank you very much for the review Phil. I’m not surprised about the price since it’s pioneer. Some of the missing features can be done thru future updates. I don’t like where they placed the hot cue buttons. For the money/features and Engine getting better, I rather go for denon players.
Great review, Phil! I think the sound quality comment was incorrect. If Pioneer implemented "the best D/A converters" in these players, why did you connect them via digital link? That way, you clearly bypassed those converters. Also, great sound regardless how much you speed up or down tracks has nothing to do with the D/A converters, but rather to do with the software, which indeed sounded awesome! Keep up the good work - you rock!
@@djgartek Now that is very true - my bad. However there is an awful lot of processing going on inside the unit. It upsamples all audio to 96kHz before applying timestretching etc. That all sounds awesome. But yeah, I didn't review the actual DAC, you're right.
@@digitaldjtips the upsampling doesn't increase the quality, it avoids digital noise generated by key shifting and master tempo algorithms. It doesn't imply more quality, even the increase of bits to 32. 32 is because ARM processors expend the same amount of resources when process 24 or 32 bits (processors works in power of two 2,4,16,32,64... Etc) . But 32 sounds better but doesn't mean an improvement.
On the Denon's, I'm sure you can move a active loop forwards or backwards by holding down shift with the encoder, and the length of the move is the same size as the loop.
I like pioneer and I'm using the NXS2, however I don't see any reason why I should switch to these CDJ or XDJ3000? Screen is bigger? no, 4 and 8 Beat Loop? no! could Pioneer let us know what is really innovative here?
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I'll wait til COVID is over to see how this does in its target market (clubs and festivals). I have started to see more Denon setups. Obviously, they're not the norm, but their growth in this market cannot be ignored.
Also consider Denons feature a great metal enclosure, AC power and full track buffer system, IEC locking socket, reduntant USB ports, good water resistance due to PCB coating, etc. this is serious engineering which shouldn't be ignored
Okay! lets talk truth ladies & gentleman: Im not a Pioneer Fanboy neither an Denon Fanboy. Im a Fan of great products! So the main reason why the new CDJ look as they look and is what it is and the Denon SC6000 is what it is is that: Pioneer is now run by a group of "profit only" investors and they have a clear message: "minimal risk, maximum margin" - put in the cheapest stable working parts you can find on the market to do do the most minimal upgrade that users might accept possible and sell it to the maximum price possible - thats the new core of pioneer brand and the strategy. a group of investors that try to squeeze out the brand like a lemon and sell it before its totally done. Inmusic is driven by an absolute musical enthusiast who aims to simply deliver the greatest most innovative product possible at a fair price! - margin is important - but its not that "max margin" is the main priority. the priority is the happy client! and to bound clients in long term to the insmusic world. And that is exactly why we see what we see here: old tech at an pricepoint which is basically a fraud. and what me really really really makes sad is that Digital DJ Tips is not honest enough to name the facts and try to jump right on the marketing train of pioneer with that "made for festival DJs, clubs and installations" - yes of course! This is what pioneer wants!!!! but who decides which player will stand in a club or in a installation or at a festival: The User!!!! Not Pioneer!!! and to say they aim different markets ist just pure lie!!!!! they both aim exactly the same market with their product portofolio and that is the full range from beginners to Pros and top level DJs! By saying that the CDJ3000 "should" be The festival player its just a bad try to reasoning this absolutely moonprice for old tech! Its the bussines mentality of pioneer nowadays that makes this a bad player for the price and not what the company could do if they wanted and would get the budget they once got when they have been an innovative and groundbreaking company. who says Denon is not for Clubs, Installations or Festivals? They simply have the better gear! And you can even put Rekordbox Sticks into it and play right out of the box! But ofc also Denon has weaknesses - as Engine DJ ist right now just not there where it should be. But if we see the evolution Speed of Denon in the last 2 years - man, that wont last for long. Just be honest and name it as it is: this product at THIS price is a fraud and everybody who buys one of these is supporting the cheating of that investor driven company. Pioneer has lost its soul and passion as a brand. really everywhere i hear this mantra with "pioneer says this is for clubs and festivals blablabla and thats why it has this pricetag".... wow man really? and all this reviewers just take this explanation as given? and even go further take away Denons Approach of that part of the market by saying pioneer aims it and Denon not? Sorry thats not fair and not objective. Also the Apple comparison doesnt work. As the Apple Strategy always was and is: deliver the best product on the market with the newest tech and THEN add an crazy amount of money just to show you are apple and underline you are the premium. But here its totally different: here its like Apple would release a phone with 50% less power and 50% less functions then a Xiaomi Mid Level Phone but still say: Hey we are Pioneer and this is the best phone in the world and as we are just luxury product we charge this money. or If Mercedes would produce a Kia in Mercedes Shape and sell it as an S-Class. If Apple would deliver products which are by performance just 50% of what Samsung would do - Apple would loose its marketing position within some years. And man im really happy that most people are not that stupid - as whatever any YT Video or a marketing campaign will say - most people are not stupid and thats why - i tell you today remember my words: pioneer will go down and loose the Number 1 Spot within the next 5 years. Selling tricks just work short term. But people learn and see themselve in long term where is the better product when the marketing effect is gone. The Pioneer players would have been nice players as they are now if they would have been released 3-4 years ago. But now its just outdated tech sold in a fraud to fool people. My honest oppinion is just that this price goes a big step too far what would be fair to say just "well its cause its pioneer and thats why its the best and thats why it´s worth it" I want to thank pioneer and the old owners for great 20 years of DJ Culture and Innovations same as 1980-2010 was technics legends time which also now slowly went down within the last 10 years cause of lack of innovation and development of the brand and products - pioneer was THE brand to go 2000-2020 and brought DJing to a whole new level. But as we all know: In the moment you stop to getting better you stop to be good. And that´s why Pioneer DJs No.1 Market Position sooner then later will be history. remember my words! 5 years maximum and its done. And no Fanboy or Marketingphrase nor one sided UA-cam Videos like this one repeating this marketing phrases can change evolution or manipulate the majority of the users in long therm. I think the onyl Chance for Pioneer is a new owner with a different approach: Where the user is number one again and profit just the second priority. If not Pioneer will end as Nokia 2.0 Thanks folks for reading! Im out!
Jeez, is the return key on your computer broken? That is one hard rant to read. So, what on earth makes you think we are in any way wedded to Pioneer DJ? Anyway, as you say you are “out”, come back in 5 years and we’ll talk.
@@digitaldjtips If you are not "wedded" then at least you are caught yourself by pioneers marketing phrase - "this player is for.." to create an marketing driven reason for an unrealistic price point and you even repeat it multiple time. So then i tip my hats off to pioneer for being the manipulative masters of the game that even DDT in its objective position doesnt realize what is happening here. talking summer 2025!!!!
Digital DJ Tips because the technology has been available for the past five years or so? as a DJ, we should have had these features long ago in the NXS2. you don’t think it’s laughable that these units still don’t have onboard analysis or the ability to fully buffer a song so you aren’t left with a 4-bar “emergency” loop?? also, my phone has had an HD LED touch display for the past few years. i do not understand why this aspect is overlooked, especially when it comes to dark environments where these will be used.
WOW!!!!, what a disapointment Pioneer. If this is what you have designed to be the next 5 years player, then you are going to lose a whole load of custom. Denon is smashing you all over even with the 5000 series.
The biggest change here cannot be seen - the MPU inside. That means that like Denon DJ, Pioneer DJ can update the functionality of this unit pretty much infinitely, for streaming, cloud locker, etc.
I would love some focus on the ability to resist water damage. Sooo many clubs are having problems with spilled drinks from gusts. This is by far a what damages players more than buttons get worn out. Even small droplets has caused major problems while playing. That said the CDJ 3000 looks promising, and I look forward to use it.
Before, on the left side of the CDJ, you would press USB button to select your USB and then press the Link button on the other CDJ(s) to have the whole system use that USB. I notice that's gone now. How does that work here? You just tap the top where it says USB and select which USB the CDJ's are reading?
What worries me more is the lack of honest Journalism. Denon have worked tirelessly to push DJ technology forward at affordable prices and really deliver products that give DJ's options when mixing and delivering creative approaches to the artform.Yes the software is young, but it has matured amazingly in the last 12 months, and is really working well now. No one is denying Pioneer have CDJ2000's in a mass majority of DJ Booths, but we all know that this is due to A)Feeding them to clubs and DJ's B) Having virtually Zero competition for years C) Forcing their retail channel to support them only with the fear of losing the dealership if not (yes this is true)... and probably a bit of this to the media partners as well. .. Come on... I watch all of this and its cringeworthy, when will you finally give Denon some credit, all i keep hearing is "its for the DJ box / Clubs / touring etc"... and the SC6000 is not ?, really..... It deserves to be in the DJ Box alongside Pioneer, and will be given time...
Sorry to have disappointed you Neil! We have no reason to be biased or dishonest, and of all the people, I would have thought you’d have known that about me. I stand by all of my opinions.
It felt a bit biased for me as well. Considering the list of flaws someone has posted here, more criticism would be needed. Especially considering the price.
The days of Pioneer are numbered. Denon will lead the way and become industry standard in the coming years. And the cdj 3000 justifies my opinion. I think its a complete fail.
Just mentioned my conclusion from all the reviews below, but now i sense some protection covered with humor, which is proof of what i thought is real : ) . Anyway, i still think the player is way below the expectations,
Just to push back on your comment that "speed adjust" is NOT NEEDED, that the track should start the instand the button is pushed would imply that Pioneer shouldn't have added the adjustment dial to begin with. Clearly Pioneer is honoring the old school OG's who leanred on vinyl and find comfort in the replication of a classic MKII. To snark it off as not relevant would be a sad day in the digital market.
@@digitaldjtips CDJ-3000 seems to be like a safe bet for Pioneer catering for old relic dj's. The Denon SC6000M is more like it should have been. Wondering if there are going to be new Pioneer controllers based on the CDJ-3000 stuff? Thanks for the review tho'!!!
Good review. Definitely an improvement over the old one. But still don't see the justification for the insane price. Especially given the lack of innovative features.
Pioneer advertises the CDJ3000 in a 4x1 configuration in WHITE on their web site... but refuses to sell that configuration to customers. You are only allowed to order 2 white CDJ3000s with every white DJM900NXS2 mixer. I guess they don't want the big djs using them at EDM Super Clubs and Music Festivals.
I think I already commented under this video but now watching again reviews as debating between cdj-3000 or nx2 , the price is only couple hundred euros difference when compare new and used nx2 still hold their value very well on ebay. What is mean is that money invested in this gear even after 5 years will hold value and other brands after such period will loose at least 50% of value and no one don't want to buy them. Another thing I see many people complain there is no wifi and can't play Beatport Link or other services, Pioneer promote CDJ-3000 as producing best sound quality on the market and how it will work when streaming services on Beatport provide only 128kbps and 256 kbps quality stream so it makes complete no sense to stream on CDJ-3000. Just for comparison WAV or AIFF file quality is 1,411 kbps at 16 bit. When you can stream in such quality or even close to that I am pretty sure it will have built in wifi and maybe even sim card slot :) And the last time I try Beatport link I wasn't able to record my mix on rekordbox because of terms and conditions, you have to use third party app to record low quality mix :)
I don't see any significant advantage in these versus the Denon PRIME series. At 4 grand a pop in my country (Australia) you can LITERALLY get the new SC6000 players for not much more. Or alternatively, a PRIME 4 and a pair of Mackie Thump 12s
All true. The only advantage is for venues where these are the brand that is expected. The continuity means everything for such venues and for that club DJ culture, which is why this is enough to continue that for Pioneer DJ
They will most likely not used glass for the LCD because of sunlight reflections when used outdoor. A phone you can move, a player you hardly can. The key shift quality depends very much on the track, there a certain kicks that just sound awful with key morphing. A always found the sound quality of CDJs medium at best (CDJ-2000) or mediocre for the earlier ones compared to a good soundcard. I heard medium quality controllers that sounded better than CDJs, so, thank you pioneer for fixing your stuff. I prefer RME, they make even a bad PA sound half good and a good PA just blows you away.
Ok . They do feel old . Denon beat them big time . 1000 eu more for less than denon . Why does it cost that much ????? No cd just the same as the rival and even less ........ No words . Pioneer lost the battle
Have you felt them yet? They feel great to DJ on and a decent improvement over the Nexus 2's, the price is pretty much the same for a better product - expensive yes but top of the range gear always is
@@digitaldjtips i was always working on pioneer . They do feel good . I know that ..... But . The sofa where i. Sitting now feels good too . Still useless for djs . Seariously . Denon feels good too . Better performance , better engine . You can say , that they will do upgrade , but the question is why not now ??? They came with a player that has lots of power , yet it is limited to functions as the old player nsx2 just better display and a few other improvements . Still Denon came with a strong player , that can do better without any upgrade yet . So what are we talking about ? It's a shame for Pioneer .
We've already said we're doing a comparison at some point Steve which is the appropriate place to talk about that. Believe what you like we receive no money from any companies for reviews.
With the Pioneer DJ CDJ-3000 now coming and with clubs closed because if COVID-19 maybe those clubs now need to seriously start thinknig about what equipment they are going to use Pioneer or Denon or both?
Truth is they will use with the DJs ask them for. Normally that is Pioneer, but if DJs ask for something different, they will provide that. A lot of big clubs hire in gear they don’t have when it is on the DJs rider
People saying they aren’t for bedroom DJ’s they are for clubs. The point in djing is to have the equipment at home so when you play in a club you know what everything does. I remember the cdj being £369 when that came out. They have now increased to £2200. How can they justify that?
I'm starting to feel like Pioneer are just doing the bare minimum to try and stop people from switching to Denon. If clubs around the world in unision decided, 'ya know what, the Denon gear is way better bang for our buck and we only need 2 players to have 4 decks!' maybe Pioneer would get their shit together.... Denon release a 4 deck all in one standalone unit, Pioneer release a 4 deck all in one standalone unit, except if you want access to decks 3 and 4 you need to plug in a laptop or external media..... Denon releases their SC6000's, which like the previous generation have dual player functionality, Pioneer say nahhhh we don't want to give you that, but here's our CDJ3000's which have 4 extra hot cue buttons and a beat jump button! Pioneer are becoming a fucking joke and I don't get why people can't look past this 'club standard' shit, next time I upgrade it sure as hell won't be to a piece of Pioneer kit......
All the reviewers keep harping on that these are a flagship player, aimed at touring hire companies,installers and pro djs. Which is kinda moot right now with no touring, open clubs or bars and most djs polishing up on their streaming mix sets. The lack of certain features such as streaming music service playback, WiFi connectivity, dual layer, motorized platter and then putting the hot cues further away from the front section, all look like strange design choices, given their biggest competitors features. It appears Pioneer marketing chose to brand this as a CDJ to appeal to the premium market, when in all honesty, it’s an XDJ. Having seen the CDJ Tour units flop, I had hopes this would be a true innovative flagship, but feel underwhelmed by all the reviews watched today. Pioneer fan and have used Denon for decades too, so let’s see if a dj gear arms race is on, or a turtle race...
Read our comprehensive review of the CDJ-3000: www.digitaldjtips.com/reviews/pioneer-dj-cdj-3000/
Watch the James Hype CDJ-3000 performance livestream: djtips.co/james-hype-live
@Digital DJ Tips I added my comments below
@Digital DJ Tips here is what I'm missing the most: 1. "current track played ID, easy broadcast to OBS stream DJs 2. Water/Dust proof improvement's 3. Open source Rekordbox/XDJ options for "add-ons", like PioDj "vst" 4. Official discord for @Pioneer DJ "fans", to collect real info from real people for real innovations 5. Generally lack of innovations: you put a processor in CDJ with lots of power, but not utilizing it fully 6. How about "crash reports" via internet directly to @Pioneer DJ support 7. Stop commenting officially from @Pioneer DJ support on "current track played ID" solution: "put a GoPro above CDJ's LCD screens" 8. Open source the @Pioneer DJ pro-link for 3rd party "add-ons"
9. If @Pioneer DJ plays the "I'm dominant in the DJ equipment area", will stop the innovation approach
10. All above will be scrapped by @DJ Mag top100 DJ's, as they are "addicted" to @Pioneer DJ, due clubs/vanues has over stockpile of @Pioneer DJ equipment,
Sad
Thanks for reading
Cool :)
Don't want much then 😅
@@amritabhaktas You've always been able to play unanalyzed files - all the way back to the 2000 when Rekordbox was introduced - you just loose all of the waveform and quantization benefits that you get by processing your files.
These players with their overall functionality and screens could be such a great product in 2017
But in september 2020 they already look and feel old
On getting them out of the box? We thought exactly that. But having DJed on them for a few days, we realised that they actually make CDJ DJing fun, in a way it wasn't before (for us), because they feel much closer to controller DJing. That's worth a lot.
Glad we could help :)
@@digitaldjtips jesus are you paid by Pioneer, you can get that feel and more for nearly £1000 less per deck. They ARE a controller, a ridiculously expensive and not market leading one.
@@Chuggnuts What is the actual real-world benefit to using Denon? What is the feature you actually use? Or are you just trying to take a political stance against Pioneer's monopoly? Because you're actually a working DJ then you're only making your life harder by not keeping your music collection inside the Pioneer ecosystem.
@@RaquelFoster in general, recently Denon have offered more features, for a better price. It's not just the sc6000 Vs cdj3000 either, it's the same with cheaper products. I can't deny that I strongly dislike pioneers monopoly because I don't think it's healthy for anyone except Pioneer, but the cdj3000 is almost offensively arrogant towards potential customers if you ask me, is there any reason for them to be nearly £1000 more than the competition? I do have to say that it's entirely possible to avoid using cdjs though, it's not true that you HAVE to, although I once did buy a pair of cdjs when 1210's started becoming rarer in booths just because I felt I HAD to and I instantly regretted it (and went down the controller route instead, fortunately cdjs had gone up in price so I didn't lose a penny...) The sc6000 will read and analyse recordbox usb's so that's one benefit of having them in clubs, pioneers ecosystem is not so flexible.
Its like Pioneer DJ are plugging the holes of a leaking boat trying desperately to stop it from sinking
The sinking ship of being the biggest DJ brand on the planet with the most market share?
I said this on another channel but.... 4 decks of Denon Sc6000 = £2500, 4 decks of Cdj3000 = £8800
Sure but a lot of DJs don't actually like dual layers, if the new unit we've seen is indeed a control for it then it seems Denon acknowledge that
Digital DJ Tips I don‘t think this is a valid excuse for not having dual-deck capability.
Sure, working with dual deck is kind of messy. But it is not that you are getting your arm twisted if you buy 4 Players if this is better for you. People with a moderate budget can get 2+2 standalone decks for a reasonable price - all others can buy 4 players. So what is the problem having dual deck capability?
@@LukT95 spot on mate. Seems pioneers decision is $$$$$ based
Agreed I would hate to use dual player in a club..
Of course it makes sense from a business point of view as well, no denying that
"nothing rattles"
That's because there's nothing inside apart from a computer and a cog. That price is insane!
Ha ha, that's not what we meant! The old jogwheels had pretty noisy bearings in them - they were super hardwearing, but hardly felt refined. That's what has been fixed up here.
@@digitaldjtips I love your videos but the longer this one goes on, the more shocked I am at how far they haven't pushed it!
@@slaterbreaker Fair enough! Love to know what you think is missing when you've watched the whole thing :)
@Keeny J good points made there, would you not agree Digital DJ Tips... hard to argue hey ?
Also the ability to add an onboard SATA Drive built in, controller support for other software platforms, a motorized version of you want it, really good pitch algorithms.. the list goes on... would you not agree ?
No internet connection and no online streaming built-in?? come on guys it is 2020 :D
Not at first glance anyway
You cannot fix the lack of WIFI with a software update
or intelligent touch screen, WIFI, SATA drive, no internal track analysis, no cross platform support, 1 USB port. Pioneer have dropped the ball on a £2.1k unit.
It's a joke was so excited for the next jen I think this will sink pioneer denon just smashed it the only thing I like is the que function
I think the target market for these players aren't massively upset by this. in festival and club environments i think people would prefer SD and USB sticks.
pioneer cdj 3000 = 2400 €
denon sc6000 = 1400 €
and there is way beter screens inputs and outputs and features so........
denon wins 🙂 💯%
The only problem is (i switched from Pio to Den) that the software Engine OS and also Engine Prime is not that stable but it got tons of updates so it's just like to wait. :D
sadly the Denon Software is bad. but 2K just for the better software? no thanks... Denon wins casue of the price even with the trash software...
Dj Son Of Ibiza actually Denon loses because pioneer will sell more of these at a higher price point
Odyseuss08 absolutely:D
Thanks for weighing in :)
So many people commenting on their dissatisfaction of the cdj3000 and of pioneer in general. People saying it's too little too late etc. What is it that you really need? Are all these functions that you're so upset aren't included really functions that you would use and need? I'm not a massively complex DJ, so maybe I don't need the functionality that is apparently missing here. They look awesome. Yes they are very expensive, but this isn't really aimed at bedroom djs. There are loads of controllers in the range from the ddj 400 through the all in one xdjxz. The Denon fans are so quick to scrap anything pioneer releases, and it's just the same as the age old Mac Vs PC debate. If you like the Denon more, great! If you like pioneer more, great. The truth is that these will be in all decent clubs (or at least the vast majority) and Denon will not be the club standard in the foreseeable future. That is the main reason why I won't be shifting to denon and investing in the whole engine ecosystem any time soon but I will never say never!. Thanks for the in depth review Phil. But what an unfortunate time to release this unit!
Can't agree more about the timing - you had us at "what an unfortunate time"!
I love pioneer but denon absolutely walks all over this more usb inputs multi touch screens ability to store a 2.5 inch ssd drive so basicall have your whole library WiFi enabled so u can get songs from soundcloud beatport & tidal (not that I use them) but its there and it analyses songs in the player not having to go through rekordbox 1st which is a Ballache in its self and it works with every dj software including reckordbox pioneer have literally become the apple of the dj world we as djs waited to see what they come up with to contend with and this is it we as pioneer fans are dissapointed
why don't you mix on your iphone or something similar, all the basic features are there already. Not too complex it will fit your style.
@@shadie2k 100%. Outdated and overpriced.... as usual.
Well the reason I bring my Denon set everywhere if clubs or venues won't offer them is mostly the roll/slice stuff which offer a lot more creativity. Also, the mixer offers the filter and effects simultaneously giving you again more creativity. The double layers are interesting too: you sometimes throw in a loop, add an acapella, do some scratching or beat looping/rolling/slicing with the 3rd deck etc. On a Pioneer you'd need at least 3 decks to do that.
But what I miss most is on board analysis. I honestly no longer waste too much time prepping sets. I check Beatport, make a list of the tracks I like, I take the set to the venue. If they have WiFi, fine. If not, I use my cell phone as access point and I just stream the tracks directly from beatbort. I know you"ll say; that's not how the pro's work but I don't care. I do of course have a big disk with a lot of new and old tracks as well which are sorted/ordered etc. But still, the WiFi streaming saved me weeks of prepping time. Once you have it you can't miss it anymore. The only reason Pioneer has the market is because DJ's are bloody lazy
No wifi. Can't analyze on the deck? So, lipstick on a 🐖?
That we know of, we definitely hope they'll add onboard analysis down the line
another over priced product from pioneer dj to take your money...its a shame..good news is that i am so glad that i went for the denon SC6000..with my 2 denon SC6000 i could play 4 decks in the same time and like 50 more features
For most DJs we don't recommend splashing out on CDJs anyway, let the clubs foot the bill :)
@@digitaldjtips exact;y. buy a Prime 4 or Prime 2 if you want the best Standalone system..correct ?
Personally I'd go for the Prime 4
I can't see much of an advantage on this over the Denon players even the SC5000's which i have. Lack of dual layer is also quite disappointing. It'll be interesting to see how this develops with things like dual layer and streaming. For the money it's just not great value buy one get one free on Denon. These are designed to be in clubs and festivals but i hope Denon starts making inroads as Pioneer just aren't doing it.... it's a rehash of what they've done. You can have a decent mixer and 2 Denon players as a bedroom DJ.... go laidback Luke!
Dual layer is never going to come to these, that would have been a hardware decision (it would have needed more sockets around the back). As you say these are designed for clubs and festivals - which of course makes this a monumentally bad time to launch them!
They are though, top end clubs installations and festivals - Denon are slashing prices to get their stuff into booths which is a good idea but one that Pioneer obviously don't feel the need to do. Pretty much no price increase for a much better unit seems right to us
They still slashed prices though as they were much more expensive when they first came out, the SC5000 for example dropped from $1899 down to $999 many outlets covered this
@@digitaldjtips only because a new version was announced....and the SC5000 found its new place in the market alongside the SC6000.
Also having watched the full video feels to me a bit like some of the 'new' features are on their current units so having used an RX2 2 years ago there's lots in the menus for example that are the same. I'm sure they are excellent units for the pio user just in isolation not as great as we'd all hoped they would be. Also i agree with what some others have said that the hot cue buttons should be below the platter and not above...
They basically added just enough to stop people from switching to Denon. Quite a shame really, I am baffled that it can't even analyze tracks on its own.
As we said in the review, we think this is a strategic decision, and that it will come at some point.
@@digitaldjtips Yeah, we all know how pioneer works by now hahaha. Great review as always, I'm sure the players are great but the Denons certainly seem more attractive to me.
@@digitaldjtips Also it's probably not there yet because the primary demographic for this are clubs and festivals where DJs should have everything ready
@@jeremiasidoroff6454 ... which is still no excuse, or at least, just a very poor one.
But yeah, speaks a lot that Pioneer only cares about the top 20% acts and ignores the rest of their user base, like mobile or smaller club DJs...
These aren't players made for amateur djs with loads of assistance. They're made for world touring djs who are used to pioneer and can't be bothered to learn anything new. They'll reign supreme as long as that remains the case.
yeah not sure I'm a fan of the new cdj's. Honestly, not much had to be improved. a couple things here and there. Mabey where the hot cue buttons are, those could be pads used for other things. Honestly, it kind of looks like a downgrade
It doesn't feel like a downgrade to use - the screen and the responsiveness, the key sync/shift, the new hot cues alone make it feel totally different to play on.
To me it’s overfull with Buttons and looks to much in 1 place! And the que placement looks like your going to Tap the jogwheel when your using que points. And the screen is not anno 2020. Pioneer is strong in Rekordbox but is that going to help them? I think no clubs are going to upgrade to cdj 3000 from nxs2 no real big thinks to do it.
Also sc6000 looks cleaner and more professional now and cdj 3000 more like a gimmick in my opinion.
@@Xer0.Visual5 Agreed, the SC6000 is much cleaner and simpler - the CDJ-3000 does look cluttered. There are too many legacy buttons (the looping and memory cues). That said, we do think you'll see clubs upgrading as Pioneer DJ introduces more software features, and as DJs start to insist on the 3000s.
@@digitaldjtips but i really think this player is also going to help Denon and the SC6000. In this time in the world there is way more time for bigger DJs to think about Switching. Here are already some big names with Denon and i really think the CDJ 3000 is going to help Denon with getting more people going to the SC6000, plus the NextGen DJs will look better before making a Call on what there going to use. And i think that is good for everyone.
@@digitaldjtips yeah it may not feel like a downgrade but unfortunately some features are lost. And I agree with @kevin.R everything does look overcrowded.
:0 overpriced outdated tech LOL
Thanks for weighing in
sc6000 still twice the player that one is, not only in model number but literally.
Thanks for weighing in :)
Releasing a club standard player when their are no clubs open and no club DJs earning money might not be a great idea.
Certainly not the best timing…
Maybe it's not that stupid, because venues that do have the spare cash can now test out the units, upgrade their gear, and gain experience and confidence until they can open again. Top-End CDJs are expensive anyway.
Denon, ahead !
I’ll stick with my pioneer cdj350’s, basic but still going strong👍
Your 350's still going strong is one of the reasons people love Pioneer so much 😄
That's awesome! I still have one of my CDJ-500-II's from 1996 that still works. It was $1600 brand new -- only had looping and Master Tempo, that's pretty much it. Took forever to load, had no anti-skip, but it was amazing.
I also stick to my 350's, they were great value for the second hand price! Also work as controllers for rekordbox if I want to!
Maybe I'm the only fan of the retro spinning LEDs on CJDs? I just don't like DDJ-1000 screens. It looks like you took a cheap phone screen and tried to make it look round by masking off part - which is exactly what the DDJ-1000 screens are. These look better, but... they're still emulating that screen look. I hope I can turn off that blue stripe which does nothing but indicate it's in vinyl mode... and maybe even turn off artwork and have a more interesting spinny graphic.
Good point, and interesting to hear that. You can turn them down very dim, I’m not sure if there’s any more customisation possible
MPU which can't analyze on the fly, requested years ago already. Memory buffer which is still so small that I can only do an 4-beat emergency loop. No multi-touch. Basic flaws, just to remind we are not talking about lack of Wifi, Dual Deck or Performance Pads solely.
Yeah we hope they'll add onboard analysis
This review feels like it was made two years ago. None of the features that was presented are new in 2020.
Yup
New for Pioneer though
Its 2AM here & im looking at this.. lolz
ClectaSkiMusic haha. I’ve just woke up. 8am here and straight in this.
8.49 am here
Sorry to keep you up lol
1.04am here
Anyone with common sense will get the ddj1000 controller which still has more features and is 4 times less the price then just use them/2000s at the clubs that can waste money on that sort of shit. DVS is where I would rather spend my money at this point. I really expected them to have cloud stuff built in and be motorised tbh. The thing is the world has changed and club scene is now dead for a longterm now so really there is just no point in buying these at all. I love pioneer still, but nah sorry. We are all let down. Dennon lead the way in players.
Absolutely agree, the controllers these days are more than good enough as they are.👍🏻🤝
We hear you, but don't really understand the call for motorised units - they're a niche use case really, CDJs have had static jogs since the start.
@@digitaldjtipsits true that they are not completely necessary but they are innovative. Nobody expected Denon to do this and this made the sc5000m and sc6000m unique. This cdj will certainly be great for mixing no doubt but it's really boring there is nothing that makes it stand out. Also for the high price I at least expected something cool and exciting that we haven't seen before.
@@digitaldjtips not true. a lot of us "had" to switch to cdjs because clubs wouldn't take care of their technics turntables. now that we have that option, I'm fully down with Denon
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another excellent and detailed review, thanks Phil.
i'm completely with you here. these are really good within the realistic amount of change a market leader can make with their flaship product. you simply can't tear up the rulebook if you have 90% of the market, due to the potential risk of alienating your core audience.
great additions - key sync!!!!, the processor, 8 hot cues!!! (not 100% sold on the positioning, but i can see the argument for taking them away from the palm rest area), and of course the screen. also, shifting a lot of useful functionality to hardware buttons is also a massive plus
i also agree that some of the stuff that's 'missing' seems certain to be introduced at some point through updates, so i won't be getting too worried about that.
i do hate these tedious dennoners vs pioneers arguments, but i know why we have them. both are really great devices, incorporating many of the great things controllers have brought us in recent years. the important thing from this launch is that if i owned a club and needed to update, i'd feel in safe territory to stay within pioneer's infrastructure. it may feel lame to some, but pioneer appear to have done 'enough' with the 3000's. probably more than enough really. if it was a completely level playing field with all clubs starting from scratch, maybe dennon has the slightly better offer, but that's not the reality.
Thanks very much Seth, and thanks for the level headed analysis :)
Imho that '"you cannot completely change it too much if you are the leader" is as bogus as they come. Sorry if this sounds too harsh. Don't know how to say it otherwise. Pioneer started too late with this and had to release something. THey just underdeveloped it and felt, pff, we own the market anyway so screw them. There is no excuse for not having dual layers; That won't change your workflow. There is no excuse for not having WiFi. Won't change your work flow. Imo these cue buttons under the screen are sooooo wrong: you can accidentally touch the platter and stop your music when it's in vinyl mode. They just put them there because people would otherwise say: ha you see? They copied Denon. I mean, the buttons are even exactly the same... It's a nice upgrade for sure but given what it brings and what the Denon costs the CDJ should not be 1 cent more than 750USD.
All I see is a failure from pioneer,😞
Not happy?
LOL.. 6 of these will be playing loops at festivals soon
Lol :)
😂
Soon lol
Lmfao. Best comment here.
That is not an incorrect statement. Also we gotta remember that classic motto " YOU'RE NOT HEADLINING UNLESS YOU'RE REDLINNIN!
Hey Phil. I think this is one of your best reviews. On point and a really good and detailed explanations of the new features. ...must've been hard to keep a straight face these last few days with all the speculations :) .
Kind of you to say, glad you liked it! It took a lot of work 😎
I commented on a video a few days back saying "I don't think they will come close to what Denon have brought out lately"
I think I was right. It still ain't enough.
Sounds like it's not for you Kere
& it's 2,300.No thanks
end of the CDJ era for me. Denon is the new King!
Thanks for watching Anis
same
These aren't players made for consumer djs / for high assistance djing. They're made for world touring djs who are used to pioneer and can't be bothered to learn anything new. They'll reign supreme as long as that remains the case & as long as they're on tech riders. Doesn't really make sense to judge Cdjs at a consumer level - you want continuity at the club level - imagine if every club opted for a different set up, it would just be a nightmare.
Ots O oh sure but things can change especially if those dj’s as well go to Denon as I see lately.
@@Anis-gs7sv find it unlikely that the majority of the industry will move to denon. Most clubs stock pioneer by default and i dont see them buying double the gear for a minority of djs.
I Know I'm old...but a Cdj player without a cd player?
Yup!
I clicked so fast. Nevertheless the Denon is better.
agreed
Looks like they copied Denon with the bigger screen!
Agree .. there So much Buttons and No Multi touch! Really its 2020 and sorry but que point are on a place where your touching the jogwheel when Tapping.
@@fidsey2 Denon did just enough that their players will last for the next 5 years. Pioneer said they don’t have to jump ahead in time because djs will buy their product no matter what. Denon has clearly given us what we deserve and needed. The only thing they need to re-work is Engine. Now that Pioneer has shown their hand, I hope they get the right people to address that.
@@Xer0.Visual5 Pioneer won’t position the ques under the jogweel due to them being in the way. Obviously this doesn’t apply to their controllers though.
Hot cues are in a horrible place! No idea why they didn’t just make a CDJ like on the XDJ XZ where it just has a performance pad section with loops, slips, FX and jumps!
I guess the market research with the target audience told them the did not want that.
I agree the pads on the XDJ XZ are much better, larger and in a better placed.
Good review guys! I personally feel they are an improvement to the cdj lineup but could still be improved, Pioneers
hardware seems to always go the distance without issues! I’ve been fortunate enough to have both but for now Denon is my weapon of choice. People will buy what appeals to them, good to see both companies switching it up🤙
Thanks for your feedback Andy, and it is especially useful as you own both systems.
No analyzing in the deck...no Beatport Link, Tidal or Soundclowd streaming ???
No sadly not at the moment but the potential is there for this to be added and considering the new subscription plans with Rekordbox...
My question is Pioneer gave the CDJ 3000 a wrong name, it does not have a CD Player built in, It is a Media Player and should not be associated anymore with CDJs. It should be in the XDK category with the XDJ 1000MK2 and the XDJ 700. It should be called the XDJ 3000 Media Player.
Agreed it "should" be following the logic of their last releases but it seems CD's are gone for good with Pioneer and CDJ is their most recognisable line so makes sense to keep the name
man we waited for this for years. denon is way ahead of you guys now. time to sell my cdj2000 and move on
What will these CDJ2000 be worth now?
Guessing you'll be moving to Denon?
Interesting. I actually just switched from Denon (X1800/SC5000m) to Pioneer (V10 / CDJ3000) and I could not be more happy. To me, it was like moving up from a Golf GTI to a 911. Pioneer has absolutely nailed it imo.
Is this the best they can do after how many years, awful placement of hotcues and too small, still the clunky looping.
I really hope clubs start switching to Denon
This is a nice little update, evolution not revolution but much better than the predecessor and room for improvement down the road via updates
@@digitaldjtips Updates can only be done to the software, the hardware has missed the mark.
Well obviously, fair enough you don't like it :)
Way too little, way too late, way too expensive.
Thanks for weighing in
I'd still like to see 2 decimal places on the bpm display but other than that I'm very happy
Just off to buy a lottery ticket 😂
Haha good luck ;)
ABSOF.KINGLUTELY!! This is what buffles me more than anything. Another (great) CDJ iteration and still no 2 decimals bpm display?? Come on Pioneer...
ITT: a lot of people who don't DJ outside the house screaming about how great Denon is. Holy shit: good luck with those club gigs with Denon CDJs that totally, acttually exist irl.
My DJ name is Barry G I've been using Pioneer equipment for over 10 years I've recently switch to Denon I think Pioneer have done what they need to do do the only thing I don't agree with is the cost compared with the Denons I had a set of of Nexus 2000 2 and I thought for a leading company the paneer in Nexus 2 was very sluggish for the money what you had to pay for them Denon DJ thumbs up for bringing out a product what is priced fairly unlike pioneer so thumbs down to Pioneer I've got a sc6000 very happy I sold my Nexus 2s and got changed back from buying a full setup of Denon prime sc6000 and 1850 mixer now that is value
Thanks Barry, we definitely hear you regarding the price - Pioneer hasn't ever been cheap but they've worked hard for a long time to charge what they do and for a lot of DJs to see the value
Listen before blindly defending Denon because you can read a feature list off the internet, try actually using the equipment. Denon vs Pioneer is not new, and over history Denon has proved to be a lesser built product. Pioneer builds their products like absolute tanks, could they have done more feature wise? Sure, but how many features are you actually going to use when using this equipment live? Yeah its nice to be a fancy pants mix king in your bedroom but don't kid yourselves, when you are in front of the crowd you will be hyper focused on song selection more than anything else. Pioneers layout has always proved king when you're under pressure. Not to mention those SC players are UGLY...
Thanks Pazzo, always good to get both sides
Thin line between DDJ and CDJ now . DDJ will carry more music than CDJ
The gap is certainly ever closing!
Overpriced, allready outdated electronics
Well the "electronics" aren't outdated, there is a powerful computer in this now that can handle some cool updates going forward
@@digitaldjtips you must be joking. Technology advancement using state of the art electronics is what the others are already doing... pioneer is far behind.
This video makes it’s abundantly clear that Pioneer has missed the mark drastically. Their first major update to the CDJ since 2011 and this is the best they could come up with ??
Weak! The “touch screen” not being compatible with screen gestures or multi-touch is utterly pathetic. These actions are now standard for nearly every touch sensitive display being used today. For anyone who uses the “hot cue” pads, their location on the CDJ doesn’t make a lick of sense. If you’re working those pads you surely don’t want to be reaching across the sensitive platter, tempo slider, and play/cue buttons time after time. The icing on the cake? The sickening price tag on this already outdated platter. Denon is legit years ahead of pioneer. Not impressed, and disappointed.
Totally agree
Imagine the party at Denon HQ :)
@@MrLarma As much as I would like Denon to succeed: they haven't. Not a single booth in the world has Denon in it. FACT!
@@TheFunkloft True, after this release from Pioneer, now is a chance for their rivals to make an impact.
But looking at the strangle hold pioneer has on the pro / club market it's a very difficult task.
I think that's a very unfair assessment, these are markedly better than the Nexus players and they have the power and capabilities to add features down the road
@@digitaldjtips Adding more features won't improve the core functionality, which has missed the mark.
The XDJ-XZ desperately needs that screen!
Agreed
they say it's targeted festival DJ's, which not a lot of functions, just the essentials. SO why don't you mix with you iphone Djay app then? Too much excuses blha blah, people just wanted the functions to be offered, it doesn't matter if they use it or not, they just want the price to justified. Not this half ass crap.
It's about not rocking the boat so to speak and alienating their core audience, take James Hype for example - has been able to pretty much plug them in and get to work without being slowed down, for busy DJs like him it's appreciated
Such a big player and no space for a cd slot :( Yes, you play with an USB stick. But it was a nice Option to play / mix fast with a cd track without analizing it before in record box.
You don’t have to analyse music in order to play with it, it will play in exactly the same way from the USB drive as it does from the CD. You just miss out on all the good stuff that pre-analysing gives you
@@digitaldjtips Ahhh, ok. Thank you. But it means, that you must copy every cd on the Computer. Thats a lot of work 🤣
Very disappointed!! 🤦🏻♂️ No motorised jog wheels and hot cues in the wrong place!!
To be fair I certainly wasn't expecting motorised jog wheels from Pioneer
I can't wait for the comparison videos with Denondj and pioneer
Awesome!
Well worth £1200 :)
Lol
I like the unboxing and instructions by this dude, but I feel that pioneer just brought something out which is so 2007. 💁♂️
Trust me in use they feel great, they bring the Pioneer CDJ experience closer to the feel of DJing on a controller which we definitely like 👌
@@digitaldjtips Image Pioneer did the mechanic and Apple the chipset, software and screens😆
But you are right, we still need to be aware that our Job as DJ is keept in Human hands as much as possible. 👍
THIS IS A JOKE. REALLY? WE WAITED FOR THIS . SO TIRED OF THOSE JOG WHEELS:-(
The jogwheels are new, they feel great :)
@@digitaldjtips I hope they make a CDJ3000M
When I got my Denons I found out they had WiFi a year before they announced it by reading the instruction manual, and in it there was a warning that the device produced radiowaves, so if it says that in the manual, they likely have WiFi on board.
Interesting...
Cost a million dollars. The pricing on all this new equipment is disgusting. Tired of these money grab companies
These are aimed at clubs and festivals Edward, do Pioneer not offer something for nearly every price range?
@@digitaldjtips and so are the SC6000's at a much lower price point.
It seems like if we don't mention Denon in every comment you have an issue Neil? Maybe Edward thinks the Denon equipment is over priced as well?
@@digitaldjtips Not at all, but there are alternatives for clubs and Festivals that cost less that the €2k+ price tag, and this is the point Edward makes. He may well think the Denon SC6000 is overpriced i guess but why does it have to be that because they are going into Clubs etc you should expect them to cost a lot ?. Im just making a point that there are alternative affordable options, and as it happens its a Denon product that is this option. Would you not agree they are an affordable option ?
Digital DJ Tips every company
Is there a new version of the CDJ3000 coming out anytime soon? I’m going to buy these now if not.
Thank you very much for the review Phil.
I’m not surprised about the price since it’s pioneer.
Some of the missing features can be done thru future updates. I don’t like where they placed the hot cue buttons.
For the money/features and Engine getting better, I rather go for denon players.
Thanks for watching Carlos, fair points - the hot cues aren't as weirdly placed as you think once you get using them :)
Great review, Phil!
I think the sound quality comment was incorrect. If Pioneer implemented "the best D/A converters" in these players, why did you connect them via digital link? That way, you clearly bypassed those converters. Also, great sound regardless how much you speed up or down tracks has nothing to do with the D/A converters, but rather to do with the software, which indeed sounded awesome!
Keep up the good work - you rock!
Michalis Roussounelos absolutely!!! I agree with you. He never used the D/A converters! He reviewed the mixer’s D/A converter
@@djgartek Now that is very true - my bad. However there is an awful lot of processing going on inside the unit. It upsamples all audio to 96kHz before applying timestretching etc. That all sounds awesome. But yeah, I didn't review the actual DAC, you're right.
@@djgartek Exactly!
@@digitaldjtips the upsampling doesn't increase the quality, it avoids digital noise generated by key shifting and master tempo algorithms. It doesn't imply more quality, even the increase of bits to 32. 32 is because ARM processors expend the same amount of resources when process 24 or 32 bits (processors works in power of two 2,4,16,32,64... Etc) . But 32 sounds better but doesn't mean an improvement.
On the Denon's, I'm sure you can move a active loop forwards or backwards by holding down shift with the encoder, and the length of the move is the same size as the loop.
On pioneer it's the beat jump that does that same thing
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I like pioneer and I'm using the NXS2, however I don't see any reason why I should switch to these CDJ or XDJ3000? Screen is bigger? no, 4 and 8 Beat Loop? no! could Pioneer let us know what is really innovative here?
Key shift is the feature we will use the most.
@@digitaldjtips No audio glitches with key shift? Had some bad experience with Master Tempo on 900nxs, is Key Shift a different process?
No audio glitches. It is rock solid.
Same here - not worth the upgrade.
Aidyba81 let's wait for the cdj3000 mk3 😂👍
"you'll be dragged kicking and screaming back to the Nexus2" ask @jameshype about that 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Dont be using a $20 no name network Hub to network $8k worth of professional equipment, its akin to using bell wire rather than XLR. Buy a high quality branded unmanaged switch, only about $100
I'll wait til COVID is over to see how this does in its target market (clubs and festivals). I have started to see more Denon setups. Obviously, they're not the norm, but their growth in this market cannot be ignored.
No definitely not, it’s awesome kit
Also consider Denons feature a great metal enclosure, AC power and full track buffer system, IEC locking socket, reduntant USB ports, good water resistance due to PCB coating, etc. this is serious engineering which shouldn't be ignored
Thoroughly enjoyed the review! I would love to give these a go myself however, the cost of the pair of CDJs, along with the mixer is very expensive.
Thanks Paul, glad you liked it!
Okay! lets talk truth ladies & gentleman: Im not a Pioneer Fanboy neither an Denon Fanboy. Im a Fan of great products! So the main reason why the new CDJ look as they look and is what it is and the Denon SC6000 is what it is is that: Pioneer is now run by a group of "profit only" investors and they have a clear message: "minimal risk, maximum margin" - put in the cheapest stable working parts you can find on the market to do do the most minimal upgrade that users might accept possible and sell it to the maximum price possible - thats the new core of pioneer brand and the strategy. a group of investors that try to squeeze out the brand like a lemon and sell it before its totally done. Inmusic is driven by an absolute musical enthusiast who aims to simply deliver the greatest most innovative product possible at a fair price! - margin is important - but its not that "max margin" is the main priority. the priority is the happy client! and to bound clients in long term to the insmusic world. And that is exactly why we see what we see here: old tech at an pricepoint which is basically a fraud. and what me really really really makes sad is that Digital DJ Tips is not honest enough to name the facts and try to jump right on the marketing train of pioneer with that "made for festival DJs, clubs and installations" - yes of course! This is what pioneer wants!!!! but who decides which player will stand in a club or in a installation or at a festival: The User!!!! Not Pioneer!!! and to say they aim different markets ist just pure lie!!!!! they both aim exactly the same market with their product portofolio and that is the full range from beginners to Pros and top level DJs! By saying that the CDJ3000 "should" be The festival player its just a bad try to reasoning this absolutely moonprice for old tech! Its the bussines mentality of pioneer nowadays that makes this a bad player for the price and not what the company could do if they wanted and would get the budget they once got when they have been an innovative and groundbreaking company. who says Denon is not for Clubs, Installations or Festivals? They simply have the better gear! And you can even put Rekordbox Sticks into it and play right out of the box! But ofc also Denon has weaknesses - as Engine DJ ist right now just not there where it should be. But if we see the evolution Speed of Denon in the last 2 years - man, that wont last for long. Just be honest and name it as it is: this product at THIS price is a fraud and everybody who buys one of these is supporting the cheating of that investor driven company. Pioneer has lost its soul and passion as a brand. really everywhere i hear this mantra with "pioneer says this is for clubs and festivals blablabla and thats why it has this pricetag".... wow man really? and all this reviewers just take this explanation as given? and even go further take away Denons Approach of that part of the market by saying pioneer aims it and Denon not? Sorry thats not fair and not objective. Also the Apple comparison doesnt work. As the Apple Strategy always was and is: deliver the best product on the market with the newest tech and THEN add an crazy amount of money just to show you are apple and underline you are the premium. But here its totally different: here its like Apple would release a phone with 50% less power and 50% less functions then a Xiaomi Mid Level Phone but still say: Hey we are Pioneer and this is the best phone in the world and as we are just luxury product we charge this money. or If Mercedes would produce a Kia in Mercedes Shape and sell it as an S-Class. If Apple would deliver products which are by performance just 50% of what Samsung would do - Apple would loose its marketing position within some years. And man im really happy that most people are not that stupid - as whatever any YT Video or a marketing campaign will say - most people are not stupid and thats why - i tell you today remember my words: pioneer will go down and loose the Number 1 Spot within the next 5 years. Selling tricks just work short term. But people learn and see themselve in long term where is the better product when the marketing effect is gone. The Pioneer players would have been nice players as they are now if they would have been released 3-4 years ago. But now its just outdated tech sold in a fraud to fool people. My honest oppinion is just that this price goes a big step too far what would be fair to say just "well its cause its pioneer and thats why its the best and thats why it´s worth it" I want to thank pioneer and the old owners for great 20 years of DJ Culture and Innovations same as 1980-2010 was technics legends time which also now slowly went down within the last 10 years cause of lack of innovation and development of the brand and products - pioneer was THE brand to go 2000-2020 and brought DJing to a whole new level. But as we all know: In the moment you stop to getting better you stop to be good. And that´s why Pioneer DJs No.1 Market Position sooner then later will be history. remember my words! 5 years maximum and its done. And no Fanboy or Marketingphrase nor one sided UA-cam Videos like this one repeating this marketing phrases can change evolution or manipulate the majority of the users in long therm. I think the onyl Chance for Pioneer is a new owner with a different approach: Where the user is number one again and profit just the second priority. If not Pioneer will end as Nokia 2.0 Thanks folks for reading! Im out!
Jeez, is the return key on your computer broken? That is one hard rant to read. So, what on earth makes you think we are in any way wedded to Pioneer DJ? Anyway, as you say you are “out”, come back in 5 years and we’ll talk.
@@digitaldjtips If you are not "wedded" then at least you are caught yourself by pioneers marketing phrase - "this player is for.." to create an marketing driven reason for an unrealistic price point and you even repeat it multiple time. So then i tip my hats off to pioneer for being the manipulative masters of the game that even DDT in its objective position doesnt realize what is happening here. talking summer 2025!!!!
That was a short five years ;)
@@digitaldjtips Pioneer already lost the No.1 Marketshare ? :D ...well then that was fast!
this is so lame. years old technology and pioneer hasn’t even caught up yet.
Why do you think it needs to?
Digital DJ Tips because the technology has been available for the past five years or so? as a DJ, we should have had these features long ago in the NXS2.
you don’t think it’s laughable that these units still don’t have onboard analysis or the ability to fully buffer a song so you aren’t left with a 4-bar “emergency” loop?? also, my phone has had an HD LED touch display for the past few years. i do not understand why this aspect is overlooked, especially when it comes to dark environments where these will be used.
Would definitely like to see onboard analysis added as we mention in the review
WOW!!!!, what a disapointment Pioneer. If this is what you have designed to be the next 5 years player, then you are going to lose a whole load of custom. Denon is smashing you all over even with the 5000 series.
The biggest change here cannot be seen - the MPU inside. That means that like Denon DJ, Pioneer DJ can update the functionality of this unit pretty much infinitely, for streaming, cloud locker, etc.
now begs the biggest question of all...........WHICH ONE (Pioneer or Denon) WILL COME OUT WITH A DAY MODE?!?!?!?!?! lmao
Haha the true battle ;)
I was thinking about that very thing when Phil was going over the settings for display brightness etc in Utility.
Did he review 'Source' button or how to use usb drive & link mode Or i just missed it? Can anyone help me out?
Pioneer aah
Apple of dj controllers.
Maybe some day ...!
I think very few companies would object to being the Apple of their respective fields...
Soon 3000NXS2 or what the names is gonna be..? XDJ - CDJ - CJ and 2400 eur again🤦♂️ Always clubstandard talk and so on... Go Denon and new era🤜🤛
Looks like the XDJ series might be gone, either than or a cheaper version will be released under that name
all these Denon fanboys are laughable must be frustrating been poor
I would love some focus on the ability to resist water damage. Sooo many clubs are having problems with spilled drinks from gusts. This is by far a what damages players more than buttons get worn out. Even small droplets has caused major problems while playing. That said the CDJ 3000 looks promising, and I look forward to use it.
Thanks for watching!
Before, on the left side of the CDJ, you would press USB button to select your USB and then press the Link button on the other CDJ(s) to have the whole system use that USB. I notice that's gone now. How does that work here? You just tap the top where it says USB and select which USB the CDJ's are reading?
9:45 they do have a mixer with the hub built in the back, djm 2000
Yes good point we forgot about that, thank you for reminding us
What worries me more is the lack of honest Journalism. Denon have worked tirelessly to push DJ technology forward at affordable prices and really deliver products that give DJ's options when mixing and delivering creative approaches to the artform.Yes the software is young, but it has matured amazingly in the last 12 months, and is really working well now. No one is denying Pioneer have CDJ2000's in a mass majority of DJ Booths, but we all know that this is due to A)Feeding them to clubs and DJ's B) Having virtually Zero competition for years C) Forcing their retail channel to support them only with the fear of losing the dealership if not (yes this is true)... and probably a bit of this to the media partners as well. .. Come on... I watch all of this and its cringeworthy, when will you finally give Denon some credit, all i keep hearing is "its for the DJ box / Clubs / touring etc"... and the SC6000 is not ?, really..... It deserves to be in the DJ Box alongside Pioneer, and will be given time...
Sorry to have disappointed you Neil! We have no reason to be biased or dishonest, and of all the people, I would have thought you’d have known that about me. I stand by all of my opinions.
It felt a bit biased for me as well. Considering the list of flaws someone has posted here, more criticism would be needed. Especially considering the price.
Fair enough, thanks for the feedback. My point is we have no reason to be. We love both brands and our students use both brands.
@@digitaldjtips All good! You're still awesome, love your channel.
Hi Phil, seems to me that they forgot that hot cues are quite important when you are performing... I´ve realIzed how good is my DDJ1000.
They're less weirdly placed than you think when you get using it :)
I never use the hot cues on my DDJ-1000.
That was this kind of proper review i was waiting for !
Glad you found it useful.
The days of Pioneer are numbered. Denon will lead the way and become industry standard in the coming years. And the cdj 3000 justifies my opinion. I think its a complete fail.
Big prediction...
General conclusion for that price tag, not worth it!!
Thanks for weighing in!
Just mentioned my conclusion from all the reviews below, but now i sense some protection covered with humor, which is proof of what i thought is real : ) . Anyway, i still think the player is way below the expectations,
Not sure what you mean here Huseyin
Just to push back on your comment that "speed adjust" is NOT NEEDED, that the track should start the instand the button is pushed would imply that Pioneer shouldn't have added the adjustment dial to begin with. Clearly Pioneer is honoring the old school OG's who leanred on vinyl and find comfort in the replication of a classic MKII. To snark it off as not relevant would be a sad day in the digital market.
Hmmm, I disagree (car's don't poop just to keep horse fans happy) but I see where you're coming from!
its creativity now on pioneer bit over priced and bulky
This is a joke. Its not even powerful as an iPad Pro with some additional hardware for this price ?
Thanks for watching Celmaro
Oh my dog.. what a disappointment...
Not what you were expecting?
@@digitaldjtips CDJ-3000 seems to be like a safe bet for Pioneer catering for old relic dj's. The Denon SC6000M is more like it should have been.
Wondering if there are going to be new Pioneer controllers based on the CDJ-3000 stuff?
Thanks for the review tho'!!!
Old relic DJs? Most Club DJs are using Pioneer :) The Denon's are awesome though no disagreement here!
Good review. Definitely an improvement over the old one. But still don't see the justification for the insane price. Especially given the lack of innovative features.
I don't think anyone thought these would be cheap...
It has 487 new functions I will never use.
Lol that's the same with a lot of DJs and modern DJ gear
I love my 1210's :)
Beat Jump buttons are a nice touch
Definitely
To much expensive for controller
Pioneer advertises the CDJ3000 in a 4x1 configuration in WHITE on their web site... but refuses to sell that configuration to customers. You are only allowed to order 2 white CDJ3000s with every white DJM900NXS2 mixer. I guess they don't want the big djs using them at EDM Super Clubs and Music Festivals.
Wow, that's strange indeed.
I think I already commented under this video but now watching again reviews as debating between cdj-3000 or nx2 , the price is only couple hundred euros difference when compare new and used nx2 still hold their value very well on ebay. What is mean is that money invested in this gear even after 5 years will hold value and other brands after such period will loose at least 50% of value and no one don't want to buy them. Another thing I see many people complain there is no wifi and can't play Beatport Link or other services, Pioneer promote CDJ-3000 as producing best sound quality on the market and how it will work when streaming services on Beatport provide only 128kbps and 256 kbps quality stream so it makes complete no sense to stream on CDJ-3000. Just for comparison WAV or AIFF file quality is 1,411 kbps at 16 bit. When you can stream in such quality or even close to that I am pretty sure it will have built in wifi and maybe even sim card slot :) And the last time I try Beatport link I wasn't able to record my mix on rekordbox because of terms and conditions, you have to use third party app to record low quality mix :)
Thanks for watching. For me the screen alone would make the CDJ-3000 the favourite over the NX2 (never mind the hot cues)
I don't see any significant advantage in these versus the Denon PRIME series. At 4 grand a pop in my country (Australia) you can LITERALLY get the new SC6000 players for not much more. Or alternatively, a PRIME 4 and a pair of Mackie Thump 12s
All true. The only advantage is for venues where these are the brand that is expected. The continuity means everything for such venues and for that club DJ culture, which is why this is enough to continue that for Pioneer DJ
They will most likely not used glass for the LCD because of sunlight reflections when used outdoor. A phone you can move, a player you hardly can.
The key shift quality depends very much on the track, there a certain kicks that just sound awful with key morphing.
A always found the sound quality of CDJs medium at best (CDJ-2000) or mediocre for the earlier ones compared to a good soundcard. I heard medium quality controllers that sounded better than CDJs, so, thank you pioneer for fixing your stuff. I prefer RME, they make even a bad PA sound half good and a good PA just blows you away.
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts on this one, it's certainly split our audience :)
Whats the purpose of CDJ name without CD Slot? Better if they name it XDJ.
Could have gone either way, looks like CD trays are gone completely now
Ok . They do feel old . Denon beat them big time . 1000 eu more for less than denon . Why does it cost that much ????? No cd just the same as the rival and even less ........ No words . Pioneer lost the battle
Have you felt them yet? They feel great to DJ on and a decent improvement over the Nexus 2's, the price is pretty much the same for a better product - expensive yes but top of the range gear always is
@@digitaldjtips i was always working on pioneer . They do feel good . I know that ..... But . The sofa where i. Sitting now feels good too . Still useless for djs .
Seariously . Denon feels good too . Better performance , better engine . You can say , that they will do upgrade , but the question is why not now ??? They came with a player that has lots of power , yet it is limited to functions as the old player nsx2 just better display and a few other improvements . Still Denon came with a strong player , that can do better without any upgrade yet . So what are we talking about ? It's a shame for Pioneer .
@@digitaldjtips do they feel better than the Denons though? You seem to be defending them a hell of a lot, I guess you need that pioneer £££
We've already said we're doing a comparison at some point Steve which is the appropriate place to talk about that. Believe what you like we receive no money from any companies for reviews.
@@digitaldjtips fair enough
With the Pioneer DJ CDJ-3000 now coming and with clubs closed because if COVID-19 maybe those clubs now need to seriously start thinknig about what equipment they are going to use Pioneer or Denon or both?
Truth is they will use with the DJs ask them for.
Normally that is Pioneer, but if DJs ask for something different, they will provide that. A lot of big clubs hire in gear they don’t have when it is on the DJs rider
People saying they aren’t for bedroom DJ’s they are for clubs. The point in djing is to have the equipment at home so when you play in a club you know what everything does. I remember the cdj being £369 when that came out. They have now increased to £2200. How can they justify that?
You really don't need the exact same gear at home to be comfortable on CDJs, the Pioneer controllers are close enough and DJing is DJing
I'm starting to feel like Pioneer are just doing the bare minimum to try and stop people from switching to Denon.
If clubs around the world in unision decided, 'ya know what, the Denon gear is way better bang for our buck and we only need 2 players to have 4 decks!' maybe Pioneer would get their shit together....
Denon release a 4 deck all in one standalone unit, Pioneer release a 4 deck all in one standalone unit, except if you want access to decks 3 and 4 you need to plug in a laptop or external media.....
Denon releases their SC6000's, which like the previous generation have dual player functionality, Pioneer say nahhhh we don't want to give you that, but here's our CDJ3000's which have 4 extra hot cue buttons and a beat jump button!
Pioneer are becoming a fucking joke and I don't get why people can't look past this 'club standard' shit, next time I upgrade it sure as hell won't be to a piece of Pioneer kit......
I think we’ll see some pretty interesting gear from them in 2021
everyone: "stop looking at a laptop screen on stage"
Pioneer: *puts the laptop screen in the deck itself*
Lol well just don't do it all the time 😄
All the reviewers keep harping on that these are a flagship player, aimed at touring hire companies,installers and pro djs. Which is kinda moot right now with no touring, open clubs or bars and most djs polishing up on their streaming mix sets. The lack of certain features such as streaming music service playback, WiFi connectivity, dual layer, motorized platter and then putting the hot cues further away from the front section, all look like strange design choices, given their biggest competitors features. It appears Pioneer marketing chose to brand this as a CDJ to appeal to the premium market, when in all honesty, it’s an XDJ. Having seen the CDJ Tour units flop, I had hopes this would be a true innovative flagship, but feel underwhelmed by all the reviews watched today. Pioneer fan and have used Denon for decades too, so let’s see if a dj gear arms race is on, or a turtle race...
Sure there isn't at the minute but there will be again at some point, thanks for watching!
Hey James I just purchased two Cdjs 3000 and the djm900nxs2 I need to get a good Mac book what is the best model to get that will support reckodbox.
Macbook Pro! At least 8gb RAM but 16 would be better these days