The Forgotten Genocide of New Zealand | Maori Warriors, Moriori, New Zealand Wars
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a video such as this would be considered extremely controversial here in New Zealand, do expect blow back! New Zealand Society does not discuss these events publicly, or in the rare instances that they do, europeans are proclaimed as being the ultimate cause of the events.
@@KiwiTomCrawford - You know right and well, that Te Rauparaha and his men
are the guys he's talking about, and they got a lift down to the Chathams, on
a Europens boat, on the promise that he would "fill the hull with flax" on the
returne, provided that the boat owner, and crewmen, did nothing to disturb
what ever it was that the Te Raupraraha, had in mind to do to the inhabitants
when he arrived. The owner Knew full well what was in store for the "Maoriori"
(which is the European name for them, anyway) and though he makes it (the
video's creator) sound very grissly, and was, it was "par for the course" (excuse the pun) in the ways of Maori Warfare. Might I add at the same time
in British India, the Seapoy Rebellion was being crushed, and as a warning to
their fellow Countrymen to "to the line", the Brits tied some of there Prisoners
to the business end of cannons, and blew them to pieces in front of an assembly of thousands, so it's reletive, the barbarity and the human condition.
One question: the quite music in the backround, whats the name ?
@@karlmuller3690 didn't comment on the nature of the events, just made a comment that this is an extremely rarely and almost taboo topic to talk about in New Zealand and there is certainly ambiguity around who is the blame for the events that happened. With regards to calling it par for the course, you must surely know that it was not, the vast majority of Maori conflicts did not end in the total destruction of iwi through genocide, intermarriage between iwi was a far more common way for violent disputes to end. Also it was not Ngati Toa and Te Rauparaha that went to the Chathams, it was Ngāti Mutunga and Ngāti Tama, while yes they were Ngati Toa allies, they had their own Rohe and own leaders. And after the events that transpired the two iwi involved fought against eachother.
Mistake at 11:42 The first genocide would be well over thousands of years before that during Julius Caesar's campaign against the Gaulic tribes if not the one of the conflicts in between the Greeks city states in their many wars before Roman conquest.
I'm starting to see why the Maori fared so much better during colonialism than other tribal societies.
@Gomi Taknaka says actually they weren't that advanced lol.
REPLY: CITATION: At the Battle of Ruapekapeka the British suffered 45 casualties. British engineers twice surveyed the fortifications, produced a scale model and tabled the plans in the House of Commons. Cowan, James (1955). "The Capture of Rua-pekapeka". The New Zealand Wars: A History of the Maori
@Gomi Taknaka Battle of Ohaeawai: Birth of Modern Day Trench WARFARE. ua-cam.com/video/KB26kCXcThI/v-deo.html
@Gomi Taknaka NO you replied to Htoo saying Maori tactic werent that advance. I have shown you the innovation Maori used to compensate for British Firepower.
@Gomi Taknaka I hear what you're saying re China and India NO argument. Talk of who was more advanced is actually irrellevant, at the time of the flag staff war Maori already had access to European trade goods (e.g Guns) and high rates of literacy due to interaction with missionaries 1824-1840.
We are just built different 🤣🤣🤣
The British landing: "Bask in our colonial glory!"
The Maori: "You know, I'm somewhat of a coloniser myself."
true, although this genocide happened 65 years after the british landed in new zealand.
@@eeeaten incorrect...check your facts again. 1835 2 tribes from NZ sailed to the Chathams on the Romney the signing of the Treaty 5 years later.
@@mb68nz35 is my math out? the british landed in nz in 1769, the genocide happened 66 years later in 1835.
@@eeeaten actually I stand corrected, its my maths that is out. Thanks for the correction. I think we were basically trying to say the same thing that the Crown and British was present during this event.
@@mb68nz35 no problem, keep up the good work
When I was growing up in New Zealand my mum used to sing me a nursery rhyme/song about an old moriori man reminiscing about the Maori conquering his people and comparing it to the extinction of the Moa
You have any idea what it was called?
@@JabzyJoe just found it, search “no Moa” on UA-cam and the first one by Paul Walden is basically the exact song I remember
@@mb68nz35 Thank you for the link! A very interesting article. The story did seem too much of a convenient excuse for European colonization. The cannibalism stuff was just too questionable. Pity. Usually I find his videos pretty well researched.
@@johnmanno2052 No problem John. I can assure you the Moriori are very much alive.
@@mb68nz35 Yes! So I found out after replying to your comment. After reading a number of articles on this, I was inspired to write a comment of my own. It's a very tricky subject, and quite the hot button historical event
All genocides need to be known, so that we do not forget the past and repeat it.
For some reason... we keep repeating it!
@Humanity Galatica it could.
@Chris Jok if someone feels patriotic enough he could take a career path which leads to the restoration if the French monarchy
@@knowhere9121 isn't that how two napoleons became the empire of France in less than 50 years.
@@terrynewsome6698 yes and they need to bring them back. For the sake of Frnce
The sad matter of the fact is we are not taught about this at school. Growing up in New Zealand we learn about all of New Zealands pretty short history, a larger focus around the colonisation period and just after the Treaty (favorite bit of NZ history being the Maori chief Hone Heke chopping down the flag pole mulitiple times after the Treaty signing). The Treaty itself is a bit of an issue since it might have been mistranslated by mistake or on purpose BUT there is nothing ever mentioned about this massacre nor are we taught about the cannibalism anymore . I only learned about in a Horrible History book. Its like they don't want to acknowledge that is happened
Identity politics likes to ignore that many "native" populations were conquered long before the Europeans arrived.
Horrible history on the other hand is just a good way of showing how shitty everyone is to everyone else.
@@dww6 This
Still doesn't make European imperialism/colonialism ok
Only ypipo can do horrible things to others.
Boo hoo 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Tahitian here. Not Maori but Ma’ohi but these type of stories were really common before the arrival of Europeans many rival islands used to raid other islands and kill the local population. In the Tuamotu archipelagos there was a people called the Parata from the island of Anaa and who raided the atoll of Rangiroa. They killed and ate the people there.
exactly....some were killed and the the rest merged into the new tribe. Nothing that Ngati Tama and Mutuenga did wasnt done to them on the mainland which they returned to in 1870. Btw the only recordeaths were the 300 that were intinial killed. The pop was in decline from 1800 (2000pop) to 1835 (1660pop) when Mutuenga and Tama arrived.
You are right.....bigger tribes push out smaller ones and gain influence over the resources.
@@mb68nz35 Interesting... in another comment you just denigrated these wicked acts as the work of two evil tribes. Now, you claim their behaviour is natural, and make light of it? You also do something as disgusting as to downplay the genocide to a mere 300 children, women, elderly and men... earlier you were trying to argue it wasn't a genocide, as well.
My advice is, the person who is the worst of his people... should NOT be posting ten thousand times to embarrass them with genocide denial.
@@vanivanov9571 white privilege gives you that hypocritical double standard ill knock of your tiny shoulders :)
@@vanivanov9571 says Interesting... in another comment you just denigrated these wicked acts as the work of two evil tribes.
REPLY: Yup...and it was.....now you want to lay this act at the feet of ALL Maori. OK...happy to do so...but you will be judge by your own standard.
I thought for a sec he'd say "which genocide is your favorite?"
This was an act of pure sadism
Tribal societies are insanely brutal. It's always very depressing and disturbing.
I hate it so much when I see 'hippy' type people praise tribal life as some greater good or thing to strive for.
Very true.
it seems as though the moriori tribal life was not very brutal at all, so while i agree that tribal life _can be_ and _was often_ brutal, it varies between groups, even those of the same ancestry.
Ethnic Polynesian here (Tahitian). I hate those people too.
@@eeeaten Yeah but as a consequence of not being war-like and not being trained to defend themselves, they became weak and were defeated by the Maori.
@@eeeaten The moriori were allowed to be pacifists because of their lack of contact with other groups.
I guess it should be amended to "Tribal societies are insanely brutal when in contact with any other human group."
This is one of the most galling and haunting episodes of cruelty in human history for me because these people did not even fight back. They were pacifists to the last and wiped out for it in the most heinous ways imaginable.
They are not extinct
They still live on.
@@daisy-ir8ib They are extinct as "purebloods". All of the remaining Moriori are mixed-race.
You must not have heard of what the British empire has done. That there would ABSOLUTELY blow your mind!!! What ever your thinking the Maori people did to the moriori people, the British empire has done WAY worst and on a much larger scale. MILLIONS of pacifists they laid to rest!!!
@@mr.mysteriousspyman4016 That is a polite way to say that they massacred all the men and raped the women.
I find it very fascinating that the Moriori were pacifists.
Their society is a modern an-pac's dream.
Me too. Imagine of the whole world decided to live like them.
@@jorgeh.r9879 - They were just a Tribe of Maori's. that fled the South Island
of New Zealand, to escape the constant low -level Warfare that was occuring
where they were from, mostly by raiders from Tribes from the more highly
populated North Island.
@@jorgeh.r9879 How'd that work out for them? They're as dead as the dodo.
In that's sense it makes them a anomaly to most of human civilization
So strange. I had just stumbled on Chatham Island and you released this video... Are you in my head? Sad story tho. It's a beautiful Island.
This needs to be more widely known. Just shows that humanity is humanity no matter where they are or what they call themselves.
A lesson people ignore at their own peril, and the peril of others.
So this is the fate of a pacifist people - that explains why there aren’t any left I suppose.
This is the fate of a people whose leaders do no think that their irresponsible and incompetent stance will have big consequences
@Humanity Galatica liking peace is not the same as pacifism. Every same person likes peace. But this does not mean that we like peace more than the protection of ourselves, our families, our traditions and nations.
@@georgios_5342 This! Saving comment thread for good points made
@Graf von Losinj no, what you have there is made up fantasy nonsense
@Matteo Tironi omnes parare debemus
Similar "musket wars" also happened on Nauru after Europeans started selling weapons. Turns out introducing guns to a culture with traditions of warfare developed around near constant low-intensity conflict between different tribes/clans will inevitably end badly, as the concept of vendettas that such an environment tends to produce means you've got a practically endless conflict that's constantly escalating as everybody is buying more guns to avenge their warriors that got shot in the previous round of fighting, making the next battle even more deadly.
It wasn’t just muskets, what REALLY lead to the horrifying infighting on the island was alcohol, which many quickly got addicted to when they traded for it in Nauru
But yea you are right, guns quickly turn conflicts into an arms race where everyone starts fighting to get guns, just to keep fighting to ensure a constant supply.
Guns don’t do that but civilizations still at the village hunting and gathering level of civilization are bound to up that low warfare level to secure trade resources.
@@GAndreC - Oh, so the Maori were "hunters and gatherers",
exclusively? Right!! Good to know you've no idea what you're on about!!
Same thing happened in 17th century Yemen when Portuguese smuggled muskets via Ethiopia. The Bedouin tribes competed furiously to have an advantage in firearms so much so that by 1800 one rifle was equivalent to 300 camels.
Yeah on almost every land, island, inland, interior, or intro there has been long numbered executions
Antarctica?
@@appleslover "almost"
@@alexandrub8786 the genocide of penguins?
@@appleslover Thnx for the picture, now I'm imagining a flock of pengiuns trying to hurt each other with their flappers but not able to do anything.
@@appleslover “The great Penguin Wars of Antarctica 1300 AD”
I've actually heard of this incident before because a Maori mentioned it in a UA-cam comment.
Incident
You've described the genocide as merely being an 'incident'
@@davidmccarroll2280 What? No. I think you're imagining things. I did not write "merely".
Japan with it's warrior culture does something similar:
Western weaboos: Soo cool
I've been waiting a long time for a video about this. The Moriori people themselves, their culture, their values and their history deserve so much more attention than what they get, which is nothing really. If it were up to me there'd several fiction and non-fiction novels and books, plus several films, on the Moriori.
Are you from new Zealand??
They are just Māori who were sent to the Chatham Islands. Māori have always been here in New Zealand
@@izaiahhuhu2459 Maori have declared they were just other Maori... they did likewise to a tribe (which still exists today... they called them Ngati Hou)... This tribe has proven their origins were from Persia... light skinned, green eye, red haired or blondes.. in the old days known as Whaka Blondes! They had 94 generations of oral history proven by dna studies by National Geographic and proven in 2012...It was proven that they were here before Kupe...1000 years before in fact. As they migrated to NZ each of the lands they travelled to dna was proven in existence with close matches in particular in Sth America, Hawiian, Cook, Easter Is - 74 generation in NZ...they were actually Patupaiarehe or Urekehu people . The only dna research done on Maori have proven they came from Taiwain.
@valeriehughes1008 you mean ngati hotu, if there whakapapa is true then, all the north island belong to ngati hotu, the east coast the west coast te puku ote ika, all have relation to ngati hotu
Here in pre Canada, a different but similar fate befell the Beothuk people who were indigenous to Newfoundland. It was the southern Mikmak people who obtained weapons first from the french who destroyed their long time rivals to the north.
My knowledge of that is pretty thin though, I would be interested to hear more about it.
Damn this is super disgusting, a truly unfortunate situation
Don’t believe everything on the internet
Cos this video is obviously telling you lies.
@@Shadow_panther223shut up
I learned about this genocide at the maori museum (?) of Christchurch... Such a horrible story.
Pffft, this is minor when looking at what the Nazis and Romans have done. Gas Chambers and Crucifixion is the stuff of nightmares!!!
Few more hours and New Zealamd will be awake and watch. As evening mentioning this type of history gets you labeled a racist here...
I'm not familiar with your politics down there but I wonder, why does learning about this not surprise me one bit?
Bullshit, every Kiwi, and a hell of a lot of us Aussie's know all about this, talk about
on our own National Aboriginal T.V Station, and WE don't get called "racist".!!
Feeling a little guilty about something are we?
@@karlmuller3690 Seriously stop this guilt guilt guilt thing. We live in 2021. I feel 0 guilt about whatever my great great great grandfathers did.
@@GrandMoffTarkinsTeaDispenser same, but it's more of an acknowledgement that our past ancestors were deeply flawed and immoral and must not romanticize their failures or brush it off as nothing when it still leads to prejudice from gullible individuals
Because a lot of history around the Chatham Islands was incorrec, t especially by European Historians and Researchers. thespinoff.co.nz/atea/03-08-2018/the-moriori-myth-and-why-its-still-with-us/
11:46 yes unfortunately this is true and I'm from the isaaq clan tho luckily no one in my family died.
In that context, how are the Maori *not* a colonial power committing atrocities against a local population ?
Depends on your definition of "colonial" but here it's obviously used to mean that this atrocity wasn't committed by European powers (or Japan).
They clearly were.
@@seneca983 Technically wasn't old school Roman conquests across Europe and North Africa, or Carthagian conquests across N.A and Iberia,
They definitely were, but what interests me is that the conflicts leading to this were driven by European arms and markets, so it's like trickle down colonialism or something
I think it wasn't colonialism because it was commited in place inhabited by the same culture group. To have colonialism I believe it has to have colonies, that however bloody was only tribal conflict
thank you for having the bravery to make this video, a lot of people in NZ and abroad like to paint the Maori as one sided victims. Their war culture was absolutely brutal and had been for centuries before the British arrived. Noble savage is nothing more than a concept perpetuated by ignorant Europeans, and now race grifters.
Sadly the Moriori were likely the closest to this trope, but like the Khoisan of Southern Africa most of their tormentors were non europeans, so they don't get a voice.
"Noble savage is nothing more than a concept perpetuated by ignorant Europeans"
Depends on what you mean by that. For some definitions some groups might fit the description like the Moriori here. One could consider their peaceful culture to be "noble" while using "savage" to mean their relatively primitive technology and/or their "close to nature" lifestyle.
@@seneca983 Quite aptly used, I think there is perhaps a tendency to apply that concept more widely than deserved and thus giving the impression that native groups are different from fallible humans, even if they are as human and capable of great good and great evil as any of us
@@robtoe10 My personal impression is that so called "primitive" people have a wider range of behaviour when it comes to violence. Some groups have been very pacifistic, others extremely warlike, and many somewhere between. More advanced nations seem to have been closer to middle (though obviously this still varies with e.g. time).
The noble savage is just the romantic idealization of pre-industrial societies. We have plenty of those losers on Instagram claiming that we should return to the "old ways", but when some lame writer in the 19th century said it, suddenly it becomes philosophy. The noble savage only lives in books and movies
@The_Jaguar_ Knight ?
circassian genocide (1864)
at least a million died and 90% of the population is currently in diaspora
The Circassian Case is complicated, the intention wasn't the extermination but the expulsion, for that, russian and ottoman diplomats agreed, but both empires failed and the results were disastrous, the russians weren't able to properly transport the people and the turks were incapable of receiving such amount of refugees that they had accepted; also, there was the slavery rush, in Constantinople, circassian women were being sold by all time low prices because Russia prohibited slavery and that was the last time that circassian women could be sold, so, thousands of women ended up in Constantinople. The Russian government later admitted that the expulsion was an error and cancelled the expulsion and allowed some to return, that's why there are still almost a million circassians in Russia... You can't say the same of the armenians of Anatolia.
I remember hearing about this and the last living man was often mocked and reminded of what happened constantly.
They are still around, this video isn't completely factual. In fact, they just got their treaty settlement a few years ago
@@tanepukenga1421 They got wiped out as purebloods, and the remaining Moriori are all mixed-race, mostly with other Maori or with European settlers.
@@mr.mysteriousspyman4016 So in other words, they're still around
@@tanepukenga1421 Yes, but all of the non-mixed Moriori have died of old age (as of nearly 100 years ago) or been massacred. Most cultures have a more difficult time surviving when their people are completely mixed-race, because there are fewer people directly living within the culture.
@@mr.mysteriousspyman4016 Ah, so you are one of those american "blood quota" people. Got it
The Moriori and Maori are both Polynesian. The Moriori descended from Māoris who settled the Chatham’s in the 1500s. They share common roots, cultural and linguistic connections.
Finally, a comment with actual knowledge. There will always be videos like this to make us the only bad people.
When in fact, this kind of history happens everywhere in the world. Including Europe who'd invade each other for lands.
The fact, British Empire did much worse to so many other nations then tried to rewrite history in their own image.
@@Raven_801Ehh yeah that's the whole point of the video. Humans have done plenty of horrific things. It's just in our nature. Pretending it didn't happen is just stupid.
This has not been born out with dna studies... just a Maori belief that Moriori is Maori... they had a totally different language, different appearance, before you can make such a sweeping claim you have to have some good scientific evidence to back it up. There is much evidence to disprove what you claim. A dna study should be undertaken... the only dna study done on Maori so far has their origins out of Taiwan.
@@valeriehughes1008 what evidence disproves my claim? Which studies ? As far as I know that’s it’s mainstream view of academics , that Mori Ori migrated to the Chatams in the 1500s from the mainland and share common ancestors with the Maori. What does the Māoris originally coming from Taiwan originally have to do with it as there were many migrations and the events we are talking about are thousands of years after. I think the Mori Ori are very useful to colonialist narratives about maori and in justifying settler colonialism.
@@valeriehughes1008 also Moriori language was a Polynesian language closely related to Maori and cook island Maori and Cook island Maori . They were mostly mutually intelligible, Sharing 70% of vocabulary. So don’t see how that disproves Mori Ori are related to Maori. Notice I said “related” not “exactly the same”.
The Moriori still exist and maintain their own Marae in Waitangi. They did not die out in the '30s, their struggle is ongoing.
Look up the Kopinga Marae
That's a pretty massive oversight given the sensitivity of the subject you have chosen to cover here
He also did not mention the Moriori name of Chatham Island - Rekohu.
@The_Jaguar_ Knight It's a phenomenon called 'white passing'. Blood quotum laws in Australia (like blood quantum laws in the US) have informed the notion that indigeneity and race are mutually exclusive when to many indigenous peoples, indigenety is determined by ancestry, not race.
@The_Jaguar_ Knight Culture and ancestry are much more important than skin colour. If you go to this Marae, I guarantee they can give you their Whakapapa which is roughly translated, an oral history of their family and its environment. I don't know the Tasmanian situation very well but I would expect they are similar.
Miscegenation was explicitly used as a weapon against indigenous peoples which plays a part in the colour of many survivors of genocide. Along with stealing children to alienate them from their ancestry and culture. It would be a shame if we allowed these things to fulfill their purpose
@The_Jaguar_ Knight Are you going to marry your cousin or sister to keep your blood linbes pure bro? LOL
Thanks for making this video! There are large number of misconceptions about Maori history and a general unwillingness to teach the whole of New Zealand history in the schools, so these misconceptions just proliferate. I hope lots of Kiwis will watch this video and become more interested in their own history.
Maori have NO issue with this event being taught as long as ALL the facts are taught. This event was carried out by 2 independent tribes from 107 yet ALL Maori seemingly get the finger wagged at us for something we didnt do. Also the Crown allowed the activities to continue there thus offered apologies to the Moriori. Google: Transcript of the Crown apology to Moriori
@@mb68nz35 So, you're claiming no other tribe performed any of this disgusting barbarity? None of the others impaled, none of them sacrificed children, none of them massacred and enslaved?
If you can't say none of the others did similar things... then why single out these two tribes as far more evil and reprehensible than the others, as if their culture was completely different? Certainly, I doubt all tribes were this bad... but the culture which leads to these sorts of practices, even rarely, cannot be considered a good one.
@@vanivanov9571 well once again....if you want to look at all acts of murder and enslavement collectively we can do that. However I would be here for the next 2 weeks listing all the murders Europoid carried out across the globe. You and your hypocritical genocidal wagging finger can GTFOH :)
@@mb68nz35 Aww, not going to go on a 50 comment rant at me, posting pseudo-facts? I'm quite flattered that my points can cut down such a dedicated genocide defender.
Thank you for conceding the point, that these two tribes, tragically, were not complete outliers. Hopefully they were the worst example of this culture, as I hope you are.
@@mb68nz35 Oh, I see there's a comment from you which got culled. It seems youtube is cutting back on some of your drivel.
Poor boy, don't you have the intelligence to know how to get past the censors...? With the amount you spam, you must be a VERY slow learner. No wonder you have so many alts....
Not sure what you were replying to or where, but you were crying about how the British can outdo your people in the number of atrocities? Duh, the sun never set on their empire for 400 years, no one was suggesting that NEW ZEALAND could match them on anything....
Other than cannibalising enemies, that is. For all the terrible things the British did to their people and others, cannibalising them was not one.
This incident is described in Cloud Atlas (the book at least)
Not an incident but genocide
7:24 ok I think the term savages applies to those who did this
She was a child
ALL genocides need attention.
Every culture needs to understand their history and accept it and share where they were and what they’ve become.
Great video Jabzy! Btw when is the History of China coming up?
Hopefully in a couple weeks or so. Have another long video that should be up soon (unrelated) and that's been the main focus for this min, hence the delays.
@@JabzyJoe keep it coming sir!
Can you please make a individual videos for each genocides because they all need more attention.
The genocide accompanying the rubber boom.
The best account of New Zealand and it's people are to be found in the writings of Joel Samuel Pollack who arrived in the country at Kororareka ( Russell ) and traded, travelled and lived among Maori from 1831 to 1837 His books written as a young man fluent in te reo and the first Jew in New Zealand are undoubtly the best account of what New Zealand and it's inhabitants were like at that time when Maori culture was on the cusp of great change His books, despite being regarded as important scholarly works by international universities are not available in New Zealand
The content is just simply too honest and unsettling on how early New Zealand society was and operated
The Moriori and Maori were Polynesian. The Moriori descended from Māoris and settled in the Chatham Island,
I am an ex-pat Englishman who came to live and work in New Zealand in 2005. I had no knowledge of Māori culture at all. With a lot of help I discovered much of what this video is about, and not just about the Chathams.
Did you learn aboiut Britain startign wars against NZ Maori and betraying them on treaties and steelnig their land
I always use this story on discussions about politics with people who think "white man bad, everyone else good". They never know what to reply.
Oh really...lucky you didnt come across me then expert. Now go ahead and cite your sources for the total number of Moriori killed by Ngati Tama and Mutuenga. Lets see how much you know. Show me your figures :) 1800 the ori pop was 2000 when Tama and Mutuenga arrived in 1835 the pop was indecline 1660 due to pandemic. Both Maori and Moriori died on the Chathams from pandemic. Official Waitangi Research Docs. Google Ref "Tony Walzl Moriori WAI 64 P012"
Maori's were fortunate not to get the Abbo or Moriori treatment and were given a treaty.
@@expelleddux The Crown tried and failed. It took Britain 30 years to silence Maori resistance during the NZ land Wars and they were only fighting a total force of 5000 Men women and children combatives.
@@expelleddux If the pro-Maori allied tribes knew what the Crown had installed you would have faced a force of 20000 heavily armed maori warriors mustered from the North Island alone. Hingakaka was a battle where Maori produce a strong showing of force not to be underestimated.
@@expelleddux (New Zealand Engineering) Ruapekapeka may not have been the first pā to utilise trenches or to have strong palisades, but the combination of design innovations made it one of the most effective against assault by muskets and heavy artillery. At a time when British military technology led the world, this Māori reaction to the threat of artillery bombardment represents an ingenious indigenous response to European firepower and is a significant engineering innovation.
Thank you for talking about this event in history.
2:46 I believe the New Zealand metal band, Alien Weaponry, made a song related to this event titled Kai Tangata. I don't know the Maori language or read a translation of the lyrics, but just looking at the imagery of the music video and also the introduction title card I'm not surprised if that's what the song is about. Also one of the people in the music video looks like Hongi Hika.
I just can't possibly imagine how men who could do such unimaginably horrible things could just go home at the end of the day, have dinner, and kiss their family goodnight.
“There are hardly any excesses of the most crazed psychopath that cannot easily be duplicated by a normal kindly family man who just comes in to work every day and has a job to do.”
― Terry Pratchett, Small Gods
Your ancestors done it all the time, all over the world!!! That's why your still here, Survival of the fittest!!
It's not just men that do this either.
Look at nazi women in the concentration camps.
Māori's dirty secret history
No this was only committed by 2 tribes but for some reason the other 100 tribes get blamed for this 🤣
australia aoteroa Fiji Samoa but got killed in Tahiti performing genocides and oppressing cultures along the way uk colonist family living in polynesia secrets pakeha (stink homes)
I've never understood the "mystique" of the Haka. It's a brutal, savage dance of war, literally referencing cannibalizing your victims when sticking out the tongue at the end.
you find no excitement in combat? i guess you're not a sports fan.
Pol Pot is so evil that even Jabzy’s drawing of him makes him look like a Bond villain.
It would be fairer to cite the Tribes or clans that perpetuated this genocide rather than "the Maori". Many differences between them, it's just like saying "the American Natives" or the "Europeans" , it's actually pretty vague !
They're mentioned in the video.
I feel like the Russian Genocide of Lithuanians deserves more attention. Over 1/3rd of the population were wiped out in brutal guerilla wars and Soviet suppression. They sought to eliminate the culture and people like they were attempting to do during the Russian Empire. The last fighters continued till the late 60s. Prussian Lithuanians practically disappeared from their homeland of Lithuania Minor and Lithuanians in Western Belarus also suffered persecution.
@The_Jaguar_ Knight very similar to the Lithuanians' willingness to be the executioners for the Nazi regime
Should consider doing a doc. on the history of gambling or slot machines in particular.
Moriori descendants are Moriori , they have the blood and they protect the culture . The Tasmanian Aboriginal's were all so genocided .
Just why? This is just overkill in every way.
I would say it's probably religion, "the more you kill the more spiritual power you gain" type of believes
@@ObywatelMurawjow part of it I feel with this one this was all because these people didn't want to fight around a culture that did.
How many people do you think these 2 Maori tribes killed? How many murders constitute a genocide? 2 tribes of Maori kill 300 moriori(official number) its a genocide. British kill 900 Tasmanian Aboriginals its called a massacre...Colonial racist framing. Like killing brown people is a lesser crime against humanity.
@@mb68nz35 "How many murders constitute a genocide?" Is a trick question, because intent and methods, not number of victims determine this.
@@ObywatelMurawjow Its a serious question bro because when these two tribes killed 300 Moriori its gets called a GENOCIDE. When Australian settlers murder 900 Tasmanian aboriginals it gets called a massacre. It seems certain people have double standards in the words application.
Moriori: Bruh, we just wanna be chill.
Maori during that time: 😈
Moriori: BRUH.
Not all Maori, you are looking at 900 out of 200000
Millions of Aboriginals of Australian: we just wanna chill
British Empire during that time: 😈
Millions of Aboriginals of Australia: BRUH
UTU is more accurately described as Reciprocity not always revenge depending on the act.
Note: the Moriori _were_ from a Maori Iwi and they were targeted by one Iwi. The title makes it seem like the Maori collectively wiped out an outside group, which is misleading,
IndigoRage - Thank you for pointing that out. These White Nationalist types, that
routinely seek out anything with the word "Genocide" so they can "deny having done,
or in ANY way caused it", should be the first to note that it was a White flax traders
ship, being loaned out, on the promise that upon return, their hull would be "filled
with flax", and that the Skipper, and his crew were to "keep out of the way of whatever was going to happen", of which they were fully aware. So long as their
greed was filled, all was good ... gotta keep your "Laissez -Faire" going!! ... And
yet, the Maori where the "savages"!! Un - be -fucking -lievable!!
@@karlmuller3690 It's part of a broader series of "pygmy" narratives, of which similar exist in Australia and on Taiwan. Where the stories were promoted, often in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, as ways to justify imperialist rule over those places because either the indigenous people aren't the _real_ indigenous people of the place in question, or that the imperialist power has just as much of a claim as they do. This case is kind of unique in particular because it's also supported by the Iwi responsible themselves because they want to posit that they have a right of conquest to the islands so the living descendants of Moriori (of which there are still a few) don't get a claim to the islands.
@@karlmuller3690 Jews are white?
@@dittmannrudolfrohr2149 what do you mean
@@MohammedAli-hl4mr Blaming jews for the Moriori genocide I guess. Just report it.
i always share this story to pacifists. keep dreaming or prepare for reality.
Moriori are still alive
Hey!
Nice video! Can anyone please tell me what music is playing in the background?
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@@JabzyJoe ty! ^ ^
Does someone have the background music for this video? It sounds so good.
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@@JabzyJoe thanks! Appreciate the reply.
“Used it be sung before rugby matches “……….? They don’t do it anymore??
Not too sure about the details myself, but iirc the Maori chiefs didn't like trivializing a war chant by it being used in sports. That said, dunno about the details
@@messagestovoidz3662 Interesting. Thanks for the info.
They no longer do that Specific Haka anymore. They now mainly do Kapa o Pango.
@@JabzyJoe Nah mate, they still do Ka mate all the time. They did it this weekend in the match against Fiji: ua-cam.com/video/9nLgBgfTC28/v-deo.html
Ah my bad. I thought it had been phased out a while back because some people were complaining about or something.
I have never been sickened from descriptions of genocide and some stuff like that until now
Even sicker than the European murder of 6 million jews within living memory?
@@mb68nz35 yes
@@avus-kw2f213 goof
Does this channel have any videos about the Beothuk people?
I have been on the beach where the skeletons are just under the sand. I think it was a beach on the lagoon. I was 8 years old.
UA-cam keeps deleting my message... in a nutshell, this video, apart from being very educational, makes a certain popular narrative about europeans and natives completely fall apart.
I've noticed there's a lot more going into the "held for review" section recently. But the numbers are so vast it's essentially just the same as deleting.
Looking through them now, some are maybe a little rude, but others discuss Napoleon's plans to invade Australia and topics like that. For instance "Because Manchrian invade China. Qing is a Manchurian empire.Chinese(Hanese) didn't really want help it like motherland"
I have no idea why that is not just published right away.
Great point.
@@JabzyJoe Thank you.
@@halahmilksheikh Yes I figured, I tried using * but even then it somehow censored it, or like Jabzy said held them for review...
@@JabzyJoe maybe you should have done proper research and used proper research documentation used in the NZ land courts. The claim that Moriori are extinct is malious and wrong as the Moriori have been give a settlement deed and a Government apology.
This video is gonna piss some people off, hahaha
There are still over 900 Moriori left
The reality is that genocides are one of the many byproducts of the timeless darwinistic competitions that permeate all things living. Wether we’re talking about ant colonies destroying each other, all the way to the Gombe Chimpanzee War, it’s not something inherently human, nor is it anything new or unique. And even though humans have a sapient sentience that regular animals lack, we’re still ultimately animals. It’s part of our inherent nature and denying that fact instead of embracing it while trying to create healthy coping mechanisms for it will only lead to further genocides later down the line.
Dude, I enjoy your channel, but you get some things really wrong sometimes. There are still about 800 recognized Moriori and the New Zealand government has paid them reparations and signed a formal agreement this week!
I'm trying to learn about the history of this area & you have been very helpful! Thank you!
@@Proctor_Conley Thanks for your reply. Hope I didn't sound like a bitch!
@@shenanigans3710 The folks around you are toxic if they make you feel like that. You deserve good things!
@@Proctor_Conley Meh, toxic is just another name for Almost Everyone On The Internet
@@shenanigans3710
It's not just the internet. We live on a world controlled by genocidal governments & corporations.
We must endeavor to counteract such evils, less we repeat the past forever.
I know you need sponsorship but an online casino? Really?
This comment section should be good. Anticipating a lot of it's not taught in New Zealand yet everyone knows about it in New Zealand jargon.
Thank you for mentioning the selk’nam people they were similar to the moriori people they were a nomadic peaceful group. Up until the 1890’s is when things went down hill for them.
Hi Jabzy, unfortunately aspects of this video weren’t correct. There are still Moriori! They are mixed descendants of Māori and Moriori, but they still consider themselves Moriori. Utu is also not a system of revenge, but a system of reciprocation. If you decide to make another video to do with Aotearoa and Māori, you may find the Māori dictionary helpful for pronunciation. Otherwise a very interesting video, thank you!
I'm trying to learn about the history of this area & you have been very helpful! Thank you!
The Maori dictionary uses Te Reo - adapted from all major tribal dialects in 1860 to give Maori a united language for communication and trade with European - so it does not represent all Maori as many tribes did not adapt Te Reo they saw it would result in the loss of their own tribal dialects.... good on Moriori for keeping their own dialect. Te Reo should be remembered as a modern language and not the language of all Maori... the old word of utu meant revenge and Aotearoa is not found in many of the old tribal languages.... does not appear in South Island dialects for one.
As with Maori. There are no full blooded of either left. The last full blooded Maori died in 1940. And I have been to the memorial to Tommy Salomon (in the Chatham Is) to see the last Moriori burial site.
@@DW_Kiwi Actually this is incorrect. I have relatives that have done DNA tests via 23andMe and Ancestry, and they don't have a drop of European blood in their results. Majority of Maori do have European admixture to some degree, but there are still full Maori out there, just very rare.
Could you cover the Roman genocide(s) in Israel? I feel like it's a fairly well known, but never really talked about series of events.
80 % off that roman army who killed 1 million plus jews in 70 a.d. were mercenarys from Syria. Bible claims Syria will do it again in future led by a anti- christ anti Jew Syria leader.
Watch the amount of denial that'll come from people in New Zealand.
Absolutely savage!
You say that the Moriori are extinct, but this isn't actually true with about 700 living people descending from them and in 2020 the Government signed a treaty with their leaders, including a gift of reparations that totalled $1 million dollars.
I'd also note that your Te Reo pronunciation is really bad.
Lastly a few minor things. A Haka is more a battle chant than a song, and it is still used by the All Blacks and other New Zealand Sporting Teams. Also on the "potatoes", I am assuming you are meaning Kumera, which is a sweet potato. The Maori actually brought this with them, and it was a staple from their early settlement of the country. What was a more recent advance was that the New Zealand version was crossbred with the larger American Sweet Potato brought in by whaler, sealers and traders, and that version has become the predominate Kumera version since.
good points. the introduction (by europeans) of the potato did actually have quite an impact, as they grew faster and more plentiful than kumara, enabling raiding parties to travel further afield with the extra energy. the ship that arrived in the chathams to attack the moriori was full of potatoes rather than kumara.
I'm trying to learn about the history of this area & you have been very helpful! Thank you!
I wonder if the maori of today feel shame about this part of their history, as many of us westerners do for the age of colonization.
if it was their iwi, you mean?
@@eeeaten Iwi? What does that word mean?
@@torbjornlekberg7756 iwi is the maori word for tribe. before european arrival (and long after) maori did not consider themselves all one people, but all different peoples. if another iwi took action, all maori would not feel responsible for it.
@@eeeaten I see. Well, yes, if it was their iwi specifically.
Why would most Maori feel shame? We have over 100 Iwi or Tribes in New Zealand and this act was carried out independently by 2 tribes in 1835 before British Governance in 1840 with the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi. As mentioned by eeaten Maori cheifs ruled over individual tribes. What was done to Moriori had been done to the invading force that arrived on the Chathams. They left their homeland in the Taranaki area after being driven out by northern tribes.
Thank you for this very interesting video. I do a research paper about the Moriori massacre. As your video gives very interesting info, I want to know if you an share with me your sources. It will very well help me, thank you!
That background music is so nice
Savage is not enough of a term
But Waahhh the evil white European colonizers!😵
There is some evidence of a pre Maori population in New Zealand 🤔 I wonder what happened to them?🍲
The Urkun genocide.
Never heard of that one. Crazy interesting history there, WWI Russia. RT did a piece on it : ua-cam.com/video/_OO-QkMyyWo/v-deo.html
But I agree, the Urkun genocide is right up Jabzy's alley.
What's that?
Also I'd be curious to know the current like dislike ratio on this.
Bruh what is the background music it's very good
I recommend reading Maui Solomon's article in E-tangata online. He is a Moriori lawyer and Moriori leader. The NZ government has a formal relationship with the Moriori people who live in NZ. It was only 2 small disaffected breakaway groups of 2 larger Maori iwi/tribes that colonised Rekohu/Chathams. What happened was horrific, but to malign all Maori by saying Maori caused Moriori genocide is wrong.
but it is acceptable to malign all "white people" for colonisation and slavery :)
I admire his story, so nuanced and shares great honesty about Aotearoa History.
A video about Hone Heke and the flagstaff wars would be interesting.
HONE HEKE: The nephew of one of the most vicious war mongers in Maori history - Hongi Hika who started the musket wars 1818-20 and saw 1/3 of the Maori population of the day wiped out...Hika had traded 2 ship loads of goods from King George VI with Andrew Snowden transported felon in Paramatta NSW - the ships loads for 300 muskets. Snowden was then worshipped by northern Maori because of this trade and later when his son Henry Davis Snowden was being chased by NSW militia for highway robbery he escaped the gallows by hopping across to NZ where Te Ururoa Hongi Hika's brother in law took him in and hid him.. Henry had left NSW using the name Henry Davis (loosing the Snowden). Later when Henry's 1st wife Sophie died in the bush his children were brought up by Maori and he would marry Te Ururoa's second daughter. Hongi Hika and nephew Hone Heke did not like the fact that the treaty declared all Maori tribes as equal along with all European... they felt there were more superior hence the reason for the trouble making.
Fucking online casino ad on a video about a genocide? Come on man
Do a video on the Aztec or Mesicas
Pacifism is what made the Morioris disappear forever.
That and the Maori.
@@alexandrub8786 Of course, but they didn't want to fight the Maoris because it went against their pacifist values, and they went extinct. Never let hippies run a society.
@@rafaelcosta3238 Well, native Europeans are not having enough kids and they don't want to get rid of their welfare states, so they have no choice but to import migrants from Africa and the Middle East. They are inviting the people who will replace them.
@@ferdinanddaratenas3447 your countries are run by US state department since end of WW2.
It came with Marshall plan, IMF and WB loans, they developed and revived your cities, saved you from Stalin and holodmrs...but also meant you are not allowed to develop your own security protocols. The migrants are also an American policy to keep nativism at bay so no new Reich develops. EU is basically an American usurup of the idea of the national socialist, but now in a neoliberalism mindset instead of National socialist.
@@BoqPrecision get outta here conspiracy theorist.
The tamil genocide needs more attention
Fact - the long white cloud is actually our Ancestral Taniwha....The Long Crystal Clear/translucent Dragon frozen above and our cover from monsters....
in your own personal imagination maybe.
there are few societies that are free from genocide or any of the other terrible things humanity has done.
Moriori are Maori. They came from Mainland New Zealand around the 1500's and their culture didn't deviate from the 'archaic' early Maori Culture to what we consider now as 'Classical' era Maori culture because of their subsequent isolation being so far from the other tribes.
Just to add this in no way doesn't excuse the treatment of the people or to say that this wasn't a Genocide and I know many of my people are ashamed of these crimes. However I think it would be prudent to add that Maori and Moriori share the same ancestry as people in New Zealand like to use this Genocide as a justification for european treatment of the Maori in a sort of "well they did it to the Moriori so why can't we do it to them" mentality.
who in the modern day says that? The argument is more that modern white people are frequently shamed for past atrocities alleged or otherwise, whereas atrocities by non white people are rarely if ever mentioned by the people who harp on about slavery, oppression, genocide etc
@@mappingshaman5280 youre a bit of a bootlicker arent you boy? MISH gave you academic references. Now you need to go check. Moriori are genetically identicle to Maori who all share the same DNA as our Polynesian cousins. This isnt like the Mongols invading the sub-continent you twit.
@@mappingshaman5280 my people took no part in this event that was carried out by a independent tribe prior to the signing of the Treaty in 1840. Up until that point Chiefs from various Iwi ruled the day. The invasion occurred in 1835. 5 years before Bristish rule.
@@mappingshaman5280 says whereas atrocities by non white people are rarely if ever mentioned by the people who harp.
REPLY: Sounds like you are accusing all Maori for this event. So bc Ngati Tama and Mutuenga did ths ALL Maori are responsible? Piss off dude.
@@mappingshaman5280 So MAori have NO right to complain about how the British treated them after what ALL MAORI did to the poor MORIORI. The Crown assumed power in 1840 and knew what was happening on the Chathams and did nothing for 20 years. The Crown recently apologised Ref Google Transcript of the Crown apology to Moriori
Mate. I still exist.
are you moriori
Not for long😈
@ruthlessgaming3869 yes. My maternal grandmother was Moriori.
I read this in the cloud's altlas book, and thought it was not real and had to research it
You didn't mention the Scythian genocide by the Mongol-Tatars. Very few Scythians (like the Ossetians) remain today.
The Dzungar Genocide is in no way the first genocide in history. I mean, the Bible commands the Israelites to exterminate various Canaanite groups.
Historically, the Israelites and Canaanites were the same group and no Israelite genocide of the Canaanites ever occurred, their religion just got replaced. The first recorded genocide in history was a genocide against the Jews of Medina perpetrated by the prophet Muhammad's men.
@@mew11two Ah, no. Also, check your Bible. Yehova was quite explicit.
@@Gepap3 you need to check the bible, the canaanites were still around even in the new testament period.
Great video, never knew about this. Way before the Dzungar genocide in China, in the year ~350, the Jie people were almost wiped out by the petty emperor Ran Min. Supposedly they were easily identifiable to be massacred as they had long noses and plentiful facial hair.
The Jie invasion of China itself was a genocide
The Jies genocided millions of Han Chinese in Northern China before Ran Min retaliated
Chinese civil wars are no joke. Millions and millions dead is just Tuesday.
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My mate has a theory regarding the cultures of the Mori Ori and Maoridom.
Imagine that the Polynesians settled New Zealand from the pacific, Quickly spread due to the availability of lots of food and land, But experienced a collapse due to hunting the Moa to Extinction, They burned down the forrests in a desperate attempt to capture the last Moa. And then the protein ran out. which lead to their society becoming Cannibalistic and warlike. In Archeology, We know that the super early settlements favored rivers and beaches, But they started moving into fortified Pa on Hilltops around the year 1500 (The same rough time the Chatthams were settled)
He postulated that the Maori Ori were a Polynesian Tribe of NZ, Who fled during the collapse.
In theory this Collapse created the Maori culture, Which was warlike, cannibalistic, with "Utu" (Eye for an eye) justice and slavery. The Mori Ori, who's ancestors had seen the collapse and fled NZ, had a STRICT non violence policy, Forbade the consumption of human flesh, and even in the face of their own extinction refused to take up arms.
The theory is probably rubbish. But I think it would make a cool story.