The tribes didn't unify against the British because some had signed the Treaty and others hadn't. Hone Heke was just a northern rebellion. Te Whero Whero's opposition was something different. He hadn't signed the Treaty, his was a Maori nationalism that had to be put down in the end by the British... in order to establish law and order, and the sovereignty of the Crown by force of arms once the Treaty was rejected.
Most of the gruesome accounts are to be found in tribal/ Maori sources of their own history... the missionary accounts simply back these ups, i.e.; no exaggeration.
Weird how they don't mention that Hōne Heke actually left Europe with ships full of expensive gifts and material wealth..... But stopped in Australia and traded them all for muskets from Australian Penal colonies.
I think you mean Hongi Hika; Hōne Heke was his nephew and well known in later events in history. The video did mention Hongi Hika taking gifts from Europe and trading them in Australia for muskets.
The more you attempt to sanitise Maori history the more warped the view of the past becomes, this leads to misunderstandings and social friction today. It is what it is . All races were at that stage once upon a time, and we shouldn't feel embarrassed enough to downplay the thing or justify why we did certain things or blame the pakeha. The missionary accounts are reliable as, they did witness kaitangata, and they weren't the only ones to record it Maori themselves used to write their own memories of it.Kaitangata wasn't about protecting yourself from Atua this is kaka and some modern Maoris attempt to find a reason for it. Kaitangata Maori revered it. They loved the taste of manflesh but more importantly was the mana and degradation aspect of revenge. Many war slaves were eaten whenever as well long after battles, so this shows a pure culinary aspect too. Also, you talk about Te Pahi in Sydney saying why are they going to hang a man for stealing a pig lol this is so stereotypical Maori viewing theft as a normal thing. You using it as an example to make the Maori look not as savage is not necessary and also void because if a slave had stolen a pig in a Maori kainga he would be killed and eaten over it . Te kikokiko rekareka o aku hoariri, nga umu whakakia tatau koopu ki te utu.
Maori language have many similarity to Malay-Indonesia, like Ika/Ikan, Mata, Mate/Mati, Rangi/Langit, Rua/Dua, Rima/Lima and 'Marae' community hall of Maori and Balai adat Melayu, Malay community hall or Balai Besar, both in traditional style architecture.
Thanks K-C. Love that you're binging it! We've done the second season in two halves to make sure we're getting content into NZ schools in the second and third terms. So seven in term two and now we're releasing seven in term three... so five more to go yet!
False history show..you are an embarrassment to this nation..How dare you spread this misinformation..The truth well come and you well all be exposed..
Look I know for a fact Maori moon wakas were the first to the moon, piloted by LGBTQi wakanauts. The early Christian missionaries arrived in Aotearoa and destroyed the technology and evidence, forcing the Maori into tribal warfare and sold them muskets. Not all Maori know this, but some do and we are working on a new moonwaka film with Peter Jackson. The Moriori helped Captain Cook steal the technology and hid it on Chatham Islands without telling the missionaries who hadn't arrived yet. Taika Waititi knows, but his silence was bought with a Hollywood career. It's a deal he made with Governer George Grey. I think he is going to be mad as when Peter releases his movie because he won't be able to make any more Marvel films. They are all based on Maori legend anyway and are racist.
Hang on, so were meant to take what Missionaries say as not really true because they wrote down, what they were told secondhand. But were to believe Oral stories passed down through generations.....
Are you talking about missionaries that go from place to place to tell people how there's a magic sky daddy, talking snakes and that the world's only 6000 years old😂
Are you talking about missionaries that go from place to place to tell people how there's a magic sky daddy, talking snakes and that the world's only 6000 years old😂
What proof is there that the Moriori did not settle on the mainland of NZ and Pitt Island. The Maori tribes where regularly battling with each other pre European. It would make sense the Moriori being more civilised and peaceful people may have been forced off the NZ mainland back to their relatives on Pitt Island. There are remains of settlements (two villages) hidden in the trees of the Waipoua Forest up north (access to these sites are banned from all people until 2063), food pits, stone walls and dwelling remains. The people of these settlements where massacred by a Maori tribe. The Waipoua river ran red with blood that day. The people who lived in the forest were probably hiding away from the warring Maori. There were two settlements on the shores of the Kaipara Harbour. All the men of these settlements were murdered and their women and food were taken away. These two examples of tribal warfare give us a good idea of what it would of been like for the Moriori if they had settlements on the NZ mainland. Where is the evidence the Moriori did not settle the NZ mainland as well. Would you stay on some small, remote islands or sail to the large land mass with all that food, etc being NZ. What's the chance of sailing through the vast Pacific ocean and finding Pitt Island and the surrounding islands? A dot in the ocean. More likely the Moriori saw "the Land of the Long White Cloud"- Aotearoa- New Zealand before the smaller islands. I'm very interested and excited about this series of NZ Wars history. So important to broadcast it out for everyone to learn. Very informative and great teachers telling the story. ✌️
By and large, a fair account. Though the summary seemed a little off. The musket wars, by all standards of civilization [and codes of warfare between civilized countries] was utterly barbaric - bloodthirsty and merciless.
@@kenwarrington6839 The atrocities committed on the vanquished were on another scale [missionaries and traders had been in the country for 2 decades by this time]. Te WheroWhero himself, the first Maori King, had the Ngatiawa prisoners lined up after the defeat at Pukerangiora, and despatched 150 of them with his mere until his arm got too tired.
Other accounts have it that Te Whero Whero and co actually fired on Nga Puhi with the muskets they had won. It was this firing that panicked the crowd in the pa that all rushed for the narrow exit at the same time...
Chainmail in 1820? why would they give them an antique? Might have been a steel cuirass as was common for protection from musket fire in europe at the time.
Don't worry, we are! A little secret... we're still just shooting the final episode tomorrow. The final few are still in various stages of post-production. So we are literally still making these! 😅
The commonality in all this is killing of one iwi against iwi was utu. Revenge to avenge the people killed in the last battle. Then utu again by the opposite iwi. Devastation and chaos and fear ensued. Muskets made all this killing just more effective. No wonder Maoris wanted the British to bring Law and order with the Treaty of Waitangi. They had to cede sovereignty of course to achieve this. These stone age people would have exterminated each other if it wasn't for the coming of western civilization.
Hi there, thanks for asking. A few sources can be found here: www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/the-aotearoa-history-show/story/2018853965/season-2-ep-8-the-musket-wars
The video narrative should not have attempted to downplay the violence involved in the inter-tribal wars. Such wars and their brutality were typical of different cultures such as Germanic/Viking and North American tribal societies. Competing for resources was considered a life and death struggle. The scale was unfortunately affected by access to new weapons. For that matter the attempt to make some sort of equivalence justification with the brutality of convict treatment in NSW was unnecessary. Early Sydney as a convict colony was not a typical European society. That is not to say i am asserting and type of pointless moral equivalence..
An odd one...some history which was good, but then with attempts to explain away barbarism or place blame on other races. Just report, no need to give own bias as historical fact. Overall, ok.
What a disingenuous presentation! Mixing a little bit of truth with misdirection, blaming other forces and excuses. If anyone is interested in finding out the truth do your own research but disregard most modern versions of rewritten accounts and go back to primary source material - NZ has an abundance of firsthand, eyewitness accounts from many sources. Protestant missionaries were in NZ from 1814 and saw for themselves the devastating effects of the musket wars always seeking to show a new way of living to Maori and provide alternative food sources. Maori were a warrior culture who gloried in war and lived for utu or revenge. The musket wars resulted in the extermination of thousands of tribes and shouldn't be downplayed for the Maori on Maori holocaust it was. Very few non Maori lived in NZ prior to the treaty because of the violence. The story of the missionaries and their impact is a remarkable feature of NZs history, all to often overlooked and down played.
YES! there is a MASS of very sound written accounts ...by MAORI .. MANY were literate & they actually had a PRINTING PRESS Please Please do the STUDY This fight was only 1 of many & boy is it PC sanitised!
This is the same christianizing missions and forces that gave us the crusades, the European wars of religion, the burning of witches at the stake for 300 years in Europe, the Spanish inquisition, the spreading of the word at the end of a sword in the new New World? That's the same religion you're talking about?
Yes it was a precarious relationship lots of advantages for maori to have a missionary in there pocket, trade mainly that the missionary would attract with other Europeans, Hongi not only got propelled to Rockstar status while he was in England there wasa series of fortunate circumstances that put Hongi in the right place at the right time by the right people even the way he acquired the muskets was a bloody fluke ,but yeah when it came to mana or having your mana or that of your family slighted in anyway shape or form demanded utu or payback usually death like blood feuds but these fueds could be ended through peace pacts and intermarriges ,Japanese warriors were similar
Yes this channel is racist propaganda glorifying genocide. They don’t even mention genocide or the walking food slaves. Notified about hanging? Maori staked people out on the ground alive to die in agony and he was horrified about hanging?
Hongi Heka committed genocide. Why don’t mention that in his list of great achievements? You say there were less deaths than the nz land wars, but how many? There were around 2000 Maori and 800 colonial soldiers. Nothing comparison, yet you don’t make that comparison. You make a very weird closing set of statements justifying the Maori wars and genocides and blame others for it. I don’t remember you saying “war is war” when the Crown forces overthrew Maori reneging on the treaty. If war was war and Taonga is property acquired by the spear then the land the crown took is fair and square by your own logic. You keep saying Aotearoa. That had never been the name of the whole country.
Hongi Hika and Hone Heke are two different people. Hongi Hika was responsible for about 20,000 deaths. Hone Heke, far less. Heke cut down the flag pole.
This account is a very good START to understanding this AWEFUL time BUT (& its a BIG but)as the series must be brief this subject needs further study. Many points need consideration!.. Here are a few Warfare was a usual custom, Cannabalism was an accepted fact , Food supply in NZ was ALWAYS a big problem .yes Kai Moana was available but birds & fish could be scarce & Kumera very delicate.. away from coast bracken fern roots & cabbage tree pith were a staple (yuck ) berries etc were often poison requiring care in preparation. This made POTATOES hugely important & guess who had to do the work digging & preparing flax for ropes to trade for muskets ..You are right SLAVES >> lots & lots of slaves!! The.. "MUSKETS" showed are from AFTER the treaty They are PERCUSSION! "Musket Wars were FLINTLOCKS!! much more primitive! Blankets axes COOKING POTS were very valued trade VERY IMPORTANT...SPUDS + ANYTHING made a meal! much smaller fire too. great books to read ...Tribal Gun & GUNNERS ..Trevour Bently ..on the 80++ CANNON the tribes used! ,PAKHA MAORIalso Bentlys books are Great , there are at least 5.he understands the subjectwondefully! "Forgotten Wars Ron Crosby & "The Burning of the BOYDE ..Wade Doak are a must also. All New Zealanders really need to understand this pain filled start to our history as western technology impacted the Maori world remember the decimation of this times were Maori on Maori NOT involving whites, the later land wars were their time! Study the numbers involved.
Don’t try to brainwash us. There is no justification for cannibalism or Kaitangata. That’s against humanity and pure cruelty. Take your fellows as food source is not forgivable. Condemn this and be remorseful. With colonisation Maori are living longer, gradually civilised and having a better life.
All presumptive, the muskets war started when honi hiki came back from England stop off in Australia purchasing 300 Muskets for the na puhi. I wouldn't believe any modern adaptations on history, because of the bias view point.
Tamihana [a hero of mine] was never a pacifist. After conversion, he still fought in the odd musket war or two... as did some other chiefs that had converted. And understandably so, insofar as he had to fight with his people. He also fought against the Europeans [reluctantly].
Can you be sure of only 100,000? Missionaries estimated 500,000 in the 1820s. While successful iwi appeared to maintain healthy populations, they likely rebuilt losses with captives, refugees and the benefits of potatoes. Examples like the chatams show 3/4 of populations being destroyed in conflict after 1/8 losses from disease. These losses would have impacted the 50% of people under 16 most heavily and would explain later drops as older people died and weren't replaced. Most pacific islands estimate 85 to 95% losses. Hawaii went from 800,000 (200 000 to 1,000,000) to 18,000. Nz ended on 38 000 over a similar time frame and are thought to have lost only 60%. Was warfare so much lesser in NZ was the population so much more resistant to disease when villages were turned to urupa with barely enough to bury the dead. How big were pre contact Taua compared to later?
There is/was no such country called Aotearoa. It was invented by an English surveyor in the late 19th century in a parody on Kupe, according to the late Michael King in his History of New Zealand (the correct name).
Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. Outcast during the 13th century as weaker primitive Neolithic people by the invading Hawaiians & Tongans (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Asian/Melanesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger more advanced races coming from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated up in NZ stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and outlawed cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede sovereignty completely and become citizens of Great Britain - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is Fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of mixed-race imposters fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits. 'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, "A Savage Country" Professor Paul Moon 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'Anthropology In The South Seas' - H D Skinner
Absolute BS, you've gone to a lot of trouble to write a hole lot of crap. Get your facts straight before you go harping on about something you clearly have no knowledge of.
Misinformation. miss interpretations of various writers and misunderstandings of Māori history, and IDIOTS like jesus who portray their false perverted NARCISSISTIC DICKHEAD narratives. 1st ERROR, Māori have a ancestry back to the Aztecs. 2nd ERROR Māori did not float up in NZ stranded for 500 years, as he candidly states, what a load of BS - Māori traveled back and forth for generations between the Polynesian Islands from whence they came and back to NZ. 3rd ERROR Māori actually stopped off and lived with the Hawaiians, Tongans, Tahitians, Samoans and a number of other island, most of these islands have markers/plagues or monuments that mark the Māoris jump off point, i.e., departure points from these islands. fancy that!!! 4th ERROR, In all of my research never have i heard of light skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste) Māori. 5th ERROR Māori did not appear on the Chatham Islands until around the 1830s or shortly thereafter, as the Moriori were already living there. One reason Māori turned up on the Chatham's was due to colonization, where the British Soldiers stole their land by displacing Māori off their land and chased/forced Māori from the North Island to flee to the South Island and than flee to the Chatham Islands. 6th ERROR I have never heard of the following - ''So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north''. This is the first time I'm hearing that the south island Māori were armed by the British to go to war with the north island Māori. 7th ERROR to say ''measles & flu halved the Māori population and removed most of the elite.'' Removed most of the elite is pure fallacy. 8th ERROR The Māori DID NOT sued for peace and a treaty was signed. Te Tiriti o Waitangi writen in Te Reo is a complicated document to understand. But sue for peace No we did not. Another fallacy. 9th ERROR The treaty DID NOT removed all sovereignty and make Māori subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Again he does not have a grasp and FULL IN-DEPTH understanding of Te Tiriti o Waitangi. I'll go one further as little is known of this FACT which only goes to further complicate misunderstandings. By the signing of Te Tiriti NZ was annexed to New South Wales on behalf of the British Monachy, but NSW was not at the time part of the British territories. 10th ERROR he says ''Today - No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Māori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow''' ALMOST ALL Māori come from female slaves'' is the ULTIMATE INSULT. this ass hole dares to insult my race with fake information. Need I continue to point out ALL of the other ERRORS in his comments.
Man I get most media glosses over nasty truths but this goes too far in the other direction, we have examples of maori carving from well before European contact, their cultural habits weren't stolen from Malaysia, they're the same because their ancestors came from Malaysia and the list could go on
Bro. These are the stupidest explanations I’ve ever heard!! Who had all the muskets?? Who still has heads for trophies?? They did the same sht around the world!!
Yes there are still descendants living in NZ. The shame that came from the way they were treated, by Māori and the government, and due to being landless.
A false claim"? You must be an advocate of the history revision being pushed in New Zealand to support the agenda of the extremists. Proof please that the statement is untrue. There are only part moriori alive today. Much like maori themselves.
You might need to learn the maori history what the maori called new zealand just don't be upset about the name the maori call new zealand it's ok nothing to be upset about I'm just sitting here listening to the presenter's history about the maoris engaging in battle it's very interesting
Good thing you are watching this show, so that you can learn what it is called by Maori, just because someone else gave it a different name doesn't make it what it is.
I've learned a lot from your videos, very informative, but the amount of constant biased downplaying and justification is cringe. The amount of cope in the videos is detrimental to whole story, which is two sided as all stories are.
I know hongi’s wife was not a warrior because she’s blind and I hope I don’t offend anyone but physically weaker than the men but I also don’t understand how she could advise him on tactics and stuff if she can’t even see the battlefield.
The tribes didn't unify against the British because some had signed the Treaty and others hadn't. Hone Heke was just a northern rebellion. Te Whero Whero's opposition was something different. He hadn't signed the Treaty, his was a Maori nationalism that had to be put down in the end by the British... in order to establish law and order, and the sovereignty of the Crown by force of arms once the Treaty was rejected.
This show should be called the twisting and rewriting history show
Surprised you didn't mention how Hongi acquired muskets in Sydney by tricking Baron DeThierry under promise of land.
Thanx for filling in what they decide too leave out
Most of the gruesome accounts are to be found in tribal/ Maori sources of their own history... the missionary accounts simply back these ups, i.e.; no exaggeration.
war is war, far cup cupcake
Weird how they don't mention that Hōne Heke actually left Europe with ships full of expensive gifts and material wealth.....
But stopped in Australia and traded them all for muskets from Australian Penal colonies.
I think you mean Hongi Hika; Hōne Heke was his nephew and well known in later events in history. The video did mention Hongi Hika taking gifts from Europe and trading them in Australia for muskets.
* Hongi Hika not Hone Heke
Weird how you couldn't even get your own strange and completely inaccurate story straight...
Made yourself look the proper fool though, well done...🤡
He also killed women and children of the poor knight islands, why enhance this carnage
The more you attempt to sanitise Maori history the more warped the view of the past becomes, this leads to misunderstandings and social friction today. It is what it is . All races were at that stage once upon a time, and we shouldn't feel embarrassed enough to downplay the thing or justify why we did certain things or blame the pakeha. The missionary accounts are reliable as, they did witness kaitangata, and they weren't the only ones to record it Maori themselves used to write their own memories of it.Kaitangata wasn't about protecting yourself from Atua this is kaka and some modern Maoris attempt to find a reason for it. Kaitangata Maori revered it. They loved the taste of manflesh but more importantly was the mana and degradation aspect of revenge. Many war slaves were eaten whenever as well long after battles, so this shows a pure culinary aspect too. Also, you talk about Te Pahi in Sydney saying why are they going to hang a man for stealing a pig lol this is so stereotypical Maori viewing theft as a normal thing. You using it as an example to make the Maori look not as savage is not necessary and also void because if a slave had stolen a pig in a Maori kainga he would be killed and eaten over it . Te kikokiko rekareka o aku hoariri, nga umu whakakia tatau koopu ki te utu.
Kia ora e hoa. It’s been a while. Thanks for making this video.
So many details were missed
So good to see this series back! 🥰🥰🥰 nga mihi ki a kōrua welcome back!
Maori language have many similarity to Malay-Indonesia, like Ika/Ikan, Mata, Mate/Mati, Rangi/Langit, Rua/Dua, Rima/Lima and 'Marae' community hall of Maori and Balai adat Melayu, Malay community hall or Balai Besar, both in traditional style architecture.
kutu for hair lice is also a word that has survived 3000+ years in the South Pacific
Just finished binging the first and second season, surprised and happy to see a new episode this morning. Thanks, from the west coast of the US
Thanks K-C. Love that you're binging it! We've done the second season in two halves to make sure we're getting content into NZ schools in the second and third terms. So seven in term two and now we're releasing seven in term three... so five more to go yet!
@@TheAotearoaHistoryShowKeep up the great work! 👍
Fake ass false history..
False history show..you are an embarrassment to this nation..How dare you spread this misinformation..The truth well come and you well all be exposed..
Nice stuff guys! Another great episode. Good to see you uploading again!
And we're pleased to be doing it. More episodes to come right through September!
Guns don't kill Maoris, Maories do.
Look I know for a fact Maori moon wakas were the first to the moon, piloted by LGBTQi wakanauts. The early Christian missionaries arrived in Aotearoa and destroyed the technology and evidence, forcing the Maori into tribal warfare and sold them muskets. Not all Maori know this, but some do and we are working on a new moonwaka film with Peter Jackson. The Moriori helped Captain Cook steal the technology and hid it on Chatham Islands without telling the missionaries who hadn't arrived yet.
Taika Waititi knows, but his silence was bought with a Hollywood career. It's a deal he made with Governer George Grey. I think he is going to be mad as when Peter releases his movie because he won't be able to make any more Marvel films. They are all based on Maori legend anyway and are racist.
then you woke up with your diddle in your hand
So they had technology to go to the moon but no wheels.
Sounds pretty shit to me
No mention of what the iwi traded for the Musket?? . LAND was the Currency, and still is.
Hang on, so were meant to take what Missionaries say as not really true because they wrote down, what they were told secondhand. But were to believe Oral stories passed down through generations.....
Are you talking about missionaries that go from place to place to tell people how there's a magic sky daddy, talking snakes and that the world's only 6000 years old😂
Are you talking about missionaries that go from place to place to tell people how there's a magic sky daddy, talking snakes and that the world's only 6000 years old😂
What proof is there that the Moriori did not settle on the mainland of NZ and Pitt Island. The Maori tribes where regularly battling with each other pre European. It would make sense the Moriori being more civilised and peaceful people may have been forced off the NZ mainland back to their relatives on Pitt Island.
There are remains of settlements (two villages) hidden in the trees of the Waipoua Forest up north (access to these sites are banned from all people until 2063), food pits, stone walls and dwelling remains. The people of these settlements where massacred by a Maori tribe. The Waipoua river ran red with blood that day. The people who lived in the forest were probably hiding away from the warring Maori.
There were two settlements on the shores of the Kaipara Harbour. All the men of these settlements were murdered and their women and food were taken away.
These two examples of tribal warfare give us a good idea of what it would of been like for the Moriori if they had settlements on the NZ mainland.
Where is the evidence the Moriori did not settle the NZ mainland as well. Would you stay on some small, remote islands or sail to the large land mass with all that food, etc being NZ. What's the chance of sailing through the vast Pacific ocean and finding Pitt Island and the surrounding islands? A dot in the ocean. More likely the Moriori saw "the Land of the Long White Cloud"- Aotearoa- New Zealand before the smaller islands.
I'm very interested and excited about this series of NZ Wars history. So important to broadcast it out for everyone to learn. Very informative and great teachers telling the story. ✌️
By and large, a fair account. Though the summary seemed a little off. The musket wars, by all standards of civilization [and codes of warfare between civilized countries] was utterly barbaric - bloodthirsty and merciless.
it was war
@@kenwarrington6839 The atrocities committed on the vanquished were on another scale [missionaries and traders had been in the country for 2 decades by this time]. Te WheroWhero himself, the first Maori King, had the Ngatiawa prisoners lined up after the defeat at Pukerangiora, and despatched 150 of them with his mere until his arm got too tired.
@@davethewave7248 it was war, looool
@@kenwarrington6839 Absolute annihilation of the enemy is not historically the usual conduct of warfare.
It was genocide.
Other accounts have it that Te Whero Whero and co actually fired on Nga Puhi with the muskets they had won. It was this firing that panicked the crowd in the pa that all rushed for the narrow exit at the same time...
Hello from Turkiye I love Maori people🤍
Chainmail in 1820? why would they give them an antique? Might have been a steel cuirass as was common for protection from musket fire in europe at the time.
Nice work, I enjoy watching both Pakeha an Māori teaching an exploring our history on UA-cam.❤
Which one is the Maori?
keep making these please!
Don't worry, we are! A little secret... we're still just shooting the final episode tomorrow. The final few are still in various stages of post-production. So we are literally still making these! 😅
@@TheAotearoaHistoryShow haha sweet as
Yes, just please subtract the Woke/victimhood style, and the Olly Ohlsen style presentation
The commonality in all this is killing of one iwi against iwi was utu. Revenge to avenge the people killed in the last battle. Then utu again by the opposite iwi. Devastation and chaos and fear ensued. Muskets made all this killing just more effective. No wonder Maoris wanted the British to bring Law and order with the Treaty of Waitangi. They had to cede sovereignty of course to achieve this. These stone age people would have exterminated each other if it wasn't for the coming of western civilization.
Stone age watch out they may have utu with you
Western Civilization is all about exterminate.
Look at Gaza.
This is a great video. Very interesting.
30000 - 50000 Dead compared to 6000 Maori and pakeha in the land wars?
6000 in the Maori wars seems a bit high?
Yes 2000 I have read.@@davethewave7248
Hi, there are no sources in description, where would i find them?
Hi there, thanks for asking. A few sources can be found here: www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/the-aotearoa-history-show/story/2018853965/season-2-ep-8-the-musket-wars
RNZ as a source? Really? Lol.
Victoria University of Wellington, Maori wars of the nineteenth century. Journals of Reverend Samuel Marsden. Memoirs of Jacky Marmon.
The video narrative should not have attempted to downplay the violence involved in the inter-tribal wars. Such wars and their brutality were typical of different cultures such as Germanic/Viking and North American tribal societies. Competing for resources was considered a life and death struggle. The scale was unfortunately affected by access to new weapons. For that matter the attempt to make some sort of equivalence justification with the brutality of convict treatment in NSW was unnecessary. Early Sydney as a convict colony was not a typical European society. That is not to say i am asserting and type of pointless moral equivalence..
An odd one...some history which was good, but then with attempts to explain away barbarism or place blame on other races. Just report, no need to give own bias as historical fact. Overall, ok.
Great Job guys , well done
What a disingenuous presentation! Mixing a little bit of truth with misdirection, blaming other forces and excuses. If anyone is interested in finding out the truth do your own research but disregard most modern versions of rewritten accounts and go back to primary source material - NZ has an abundance of firsthand, eyewitness accounts from many sources. Protestant missionaries were in NZ from 1814 and saw for themselves the devastating effects of the musket wars always seeking to show a new way of living to Maori and provide alternative food sources. Maori were a warrior culture who gloried in war and lived for utu or revenge. The musket wars resulted in the extermination of thousands of tribes and shouldn't be downplayed for the Maori on Maori holocaust it was. Very few non Maori lived in NZ prior to the treaty because of the violence. The story of the missionaries and their impact is a remarkable feature of NZs history, all to often overlooked and down played.
YES! there is a MASS of very sound written accounts ...by MAORI .. MANY were literate & they actually had a PRINTING PRESS Please Please do the STUDY This fight was only 1 of many & boy is it PC sanitised!
Can't wait to see your content.
This is the same christianizing missions and forces that gave us the crusades, the European wars of religion, the burning of witches at the stake for 300 years in Europe, the Spanish inquisition, the spreading of the word at the end of a sword in the new New World? That's the same religion you're talking about?
Yes it was a precarious relationship lots of advantages for maori to have a missionary in there pocket, trade mainly that the missionary would attract with other Europeans, Hongi not only got propelled to Rockstar status while he was in England there wasa series of fortunate circumstances that put Hongi in the right place at the right time by the right people even the way he acquired the muskets was a bloody fluke ,but yeah when it came to mana or having your mana or that of your family slighted in anyway shape or form demanded utu or payback usually death like blood feuds but these fueds could be ended through peace pacts and intermarriges ,Japanese warriors were similar
Yes this channel is racist propaganda glorifying genocide. They don’t even mention genocide or the walking food slaves.
Notified about hanging? Maori staked people out on the ground alive to die in agony and he was horrified about hanging?
Bad time to be anyone. Peace to the fallen, like they all hoped may we build a better tomorrow eh 🙃
Most of my ancestors came from Waikato and from Auckland Māori
Hongi Heka committed genocide. Why don’t mention that in his list of great achievements?
You say there were less deaths than the nz land wars, but how many? There were around 2000 Maori and 800 colonial soldiers. Nothing comparison, yet you don’t make that comparison.
You make a very weird closing set of statements justifying the Maori wars and genocides and blame others for it. I don’t remember you saying “war is war” when the Crown forces overthrew Maori reneging on the treaty. If war was war and Taonga is property acquired by the spear then the land the crown took is fair and square by your own logic.
You keep saying Aotearoa. That had never been the name of the whole country.
Hongi Hika and Hone Heke are two different people. Hongi Hika was responsible for about 20,000 deaths. Hone Heke, far less. Heke cut down the flag pole.
Isnt the Battle of Hingakaka the biggest battle for NZ Maori with the greatest number killed in a day?
you forgot about all the feasting .they did a lot of eating wonder what they feasted on ., there victims
Potatoes were just the side dish~
Fact is female and young were the main supply of meat not the males fighting
@@hail_Cyber77 no facts present anywhere in your statement
@@kenwarrington6839 keep the wool over your eyes Sonny boy
You gone get learnt around here Tama
@@hail_Cyber77 kia ora he pakeha, the facts are nowhere and everywhere but here
well-written
Who was the first to bring muskets into New Zealand 😊
Wow great video. Thanks.
Ayy what happened to Leigh?
Well this is awfully one-sided..
i love this channel. Greetings from Italy ❤
You do such a wonderful job.
what meat did they eat with their potatoes?
This account is a very good START to understanding this AWEFUL time BUT (& its a BIG but)as the series must be brief this subject needs further study. Many points need consideration!.. Here are a few Warfare was a usual custom, Cannabalism was an accepted fact , Food supply in NZ was ALWAYS a big problem .yes Kai Moana was available but birds & fish could be scarce & Kumera very delicate.. away from coast bracken fern roots & cabbage tree pith were a staple (yuck ) berries etc were often poison requiring care in preparation. This made POTATOES hugely important & guess who had to do the work digging & preparing flax for ropes to trade for muskets ..You are right SLAVES >> lots & lots of slaves!! The..
"MUSKETS" showed are from AFTER the treaty They are PERCUSSION! "Musket Wars were FLINTLOCKS!! much more primitive! Blankets axes COOKING POTS were very valued trade VERY IMPORTANT...SPUDS + ANYTHING made a meal! much smaller fire too. great books to read ...Tribal Gun & GUNNERS ..Trevour Bently ..on the 80++ CANNON the tribes used! ,PAKHA MAORIalso Bentlys books are Great , there are at least 5.he understands the subjectwondefully! "Forgotten Wars Ron Crosby & "The Burning of the BOYDE ..Wade Doak are a must also.
All New Zealanders really need to understand this pain filled start to our history as western technology impacted the Maori world remember the decimation of this times were Maori on Maori NOT involving whites, the later land wars were their time! Study the numbers involved.
Don’t try to brainwash us. There is no justification for cannibalism or Kaitangata. That’s against humanity and pure cruelty. Take your fellows as food source is not forgivable. Condemn this and be remorseful. With colonisation Maori are living longer, gradually civilised and having a better life.
We probably all have cannibalism in our ancestry. What are you pretending to be.
Potatoes were the side dish. We are now what the main dish was.^^
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Maori on Taua used to use the fat out of buttocks and melt it on hot potatoes like butter , this was a favourite amongst all iwi
Māori slaughtered Māori, Māori slaughtered Moriori 🙄
20 THOUSAND warrior's died in Maori land war's...
That's MORE DEATH'S than world war ONE world war TWO and Vietnam...
it was probably a lot more from the research ive been doing on the musket wars
SO SO TRUE Maori don't know true history, they killed and ate there own people
You guys need to read history. Its well documented.
I heard we found out what their weakness was & they swspped MUSKET'S for some putang😂😂😂
All presumptive, the muskets war started when honi hiki came back from England stop off in Australia purchasing 300 Muskets for the na puhi. I wouldn't believe any modern adaptations on history, because of the bias view point.
Tamihana [a hero of mine] was never a pacifist. After conversion, he still fought in the odd musket war or two... as did some other chiefs that had converted. And understandably so, insofar as he had to fight with his people. He also fought against the Europeans [reluctantly].
MAORI KILLING MAORI ,WHATS CHANGED ?
Great info cheers 👍
What's this aotearoa you speak of?
Show a map from years ago that has new Zealand as aotearoa 😂
pleasantly surprised to see tht this was unbiased and tht i am able to leave a comment. thts all any one can ask for
We're happy to have met your low standards Mark! 😅. Glad you enjoyed it.
Links in perfectly with the kiwi codger u tube series.
This was a pretty good summary of things.
Kaitangata, utu, moko mokai were all evil practices of our tipuna, this is why most embraced Christianity and forgiveness!
Part and parcel of who and what we were and you can't change history - you are the result of this as well!
Can you be sure of only 100,000? Missionaries estimated 500,000 in the 1820s. While successful iwi appeared to maintain healthy populations, they likely rebuilt losses with captives, refugees and the benefits of potatoes. Examples like the chatams show 3/4 of populations being destroyed in conflict after 1/8 losses from disease. These losses would have impacted the 50% of people under 16 most heavily and would explain later drops as older people died and weren't replaced. Most pacific islands estimate 85 to 95% losses. Hawaii went from 800,000 (200 000 to 1,000,000) to 18,000. Nz ended on 38 000 over a similar time frame and are thought to have lost only 60%. Was warfare so much lesser in NZ was the population so much more resistant to disease when villages were turned to urupa with barely enough to bury the dead. How big were pre contact Taua compared to later?
Wow I'm Ngapuhi
Tino pai!
hongi brougth back three thousand captured
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There is/was no such country called Aotearoa. It was invented by an English surveyor in the late 19th century in a parody on Kupe, according to the late Michael King in his History of New Zealand (the correct name).
The book is inconsistent...some information is omitted or a straight lie....
Quite a history about the Maori - put the Inca's or the Aztecs to shame in degeneration. Outcast during the 13th century as weaker primitive Neolithic people by the invading Hawaiians & Tongans (Maori were from the original wave of primitive Asian/Melanesians pushed right out across the Eastern Pacific by successive stronger more advanced races coming from the west). They were outcast on rafts and some floated up in NZ stranded for 500 years. The weaker were pushed down to the South Island or Chathams etc. So the South Island Maori (had their own language) were the weakest of the weak. They were captured and eaten as 'Slave flesh' by the northern Maori doing raids. (Well they all ate each other - 80% of Maori pre European were dark skinned easily fattened slaves farmed and eaten by a lighter skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste). So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north.. That plus measles & flu halved the Maori population and removed most of the elite. The British then liberated the slaves and outlawed cannibalism. The northern Maori fought with the British against the south bad west Maori 'rebels'. The Maori sued for peace and a treaty was signed that removed all sovereignty and made them subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Land could only be sold to or via the Crown. Maori could live on their reservations with native custom but none did. The treaty of Waitangi is strikingly clear in that the Maori cede sovereignty completely and become citizens of Great Britain - all 3 clauses lock that in. Nothing in today's 'Maori' culture is authentic. The music - all European (Maoris did not have tonal music, the songs are missionary tunes or introduced - Poi dance is from Islands and Stick dance from old Malaya. The carvings and art - all European - Arabesques that was the fashion at the time. Original Maori had limited dash carving and no painting of objects. No written language - all the syntax & grammar plus vowel inflection is European. No technology - some lagoon canoes and wood or stone Neolithic tools. No food sources - like pigs or crops - they left that all behind, all they had was a weak inbred fox (now extinct), some rats and a weak dismal pacific yam. They ate out all the bird-life, didn't know how to farm the sea as were island people and so they turned to societal cannibalism. Today - no full blood or half blood left. No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Maori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow' who had at least retained some genuineness about who they were and their history. -Everything you 'saw or experienced' is Fake. A totally convected disneyfied tokenistic set of inventions fueled by a grievance culture of mixed-race imposters fetishing a false past bad history because it pays benefits.
'This Horrid Practice' - Professor Paul Moon, "A Savage Country" Professor Paul Moon 'Behind The Tattooed Face' - Heretaunga Pat Baker, 'Anthropology In The South Seas' - H D Skinner
Absolute BS, you've gone to a lot of trouble to write a hole lot of crap. Get your facts straight before you go harping on about something you clearly have no knowledge of.
Misinformation. miss interpretations of various writers and misunderstandings of Māori history, and IDIOTS like jesus who portray their false perverted NARCISSISTIC DICKHEAD narratives.
1st ERROR, Māori have a ancestry back to the Aztecs.
2nd ERROR Māori did not float up in NZ stranded for 500 years, as he candidly states, what a load of BS - Māori traveled back and forth for generations between the Polynesian Islands from whence they came and back to NZ.
3rd ERROR Māori actually stopped off and lived with the Hawaiians, Tongans, Tahitians, Samoans and a number of other island, most of these islands have markers/plagues or monuments that mark the Māoris jump off point, i.e., departure points from these islands. fancy that!!!
4th ERROR, In all of my research never have i heard of light skinned 'Ariki' thin wiry elite royal caste) Māori.
5th ERROR Māori did not appear on the Chatham Islands until around the 1830s or shortly thereafter, as the Moriori were already living there. One reason Māori turned up on the Chatham's was due to colonization, where the British Soldiers stole their land by displacing Māori off their land and chased/forced Māori from the North Island to flee to the South Island and than flee to the Chatham Islands.
6th ERROR I have never heard of the following - ''So it was with some righteousness as well as British cunning that they armed the southern Maori who then with muskets launched a genocidal war on the north''. This is the first time I'm hearing that the south island Māori were armed by the British to go to war with the north island Māori.
7th ERROR to say ''measles & flu halved the Māori population and removed most of the elite.'' Removed most of the elite is pure fallacy.
8th ERROR The Māori DID NOT sued for peace and a treaty was signed. Te Tiriti o Waitangi writen in Te Reo is a complicated document to understand. But sue for peace No we did not. Another fallacy.
9th ERROR The treaty DID NOT removed all sovereignty and make Māori subjects to the English crown where the English would protect them from each other. Again he does not have a grasp and FULL IN-DEPTH understanding of Te Tiriti o Waitangi.
I'll go one further as little is known of this FACT which only goes to further complicate misunderstandings. By the signing of Te Tiriti NZ was annexed to New South Wales on behalf of the British Monachy, but NSW was not at the time part of the British territories.
10th ERROR he says ''Today - No genuine tradition and almost all are offspring of Māori slave females sold to white settlers for muskets or food. -So more fake than the 'Sioux' or 'Cherokee' or 'Crow''' ALMOST ALL Māori come from female slaves'' is the ULTIMATE INSULT. this ass hole dares to insult my race with fake information.
Need I continue to point out ALL of the other ERRORS in his comments.
Interesting synopsis. Overall, its bullshit and an epic fail.
Man I get most media glosses over nasty truths but this goes too far in the other direction, we have examples of maori carving from well before European contact, their cultural habits weren't stolen from Malaysia, they're the same because their ancestors came from Malaysia and the list could go on
kumara, sweet potato is hardly as weak crop - its very nutritious and grows remarkably well in Auckland.
Cant take these mainstream shows serious when they never speak about freemason infiltration in maori culture! If you know you know 😤
Its new zealand
Bro. These are the stupidest explanations I’ve ever heard!! Who had all the muskets?? Who still has heads for trophies?? They did the same sht around the world!!
Sorry what did you disagree with?
This program is an insult to history.
It's an insult to kooks and racists.
Hongi died of lead poisoning after being shot with a lead musket ball, by his own relative whom Hongi went to war against.
Name this show what it really is "Marxist History Show"
Woke washed history, a lot of detail missed to present maori more favourably
Are Morori's New Zealanders Why don't we hear abour them anymore?
All murdered and eaten by maori. Research it.
@@marcusguerlin4572 A false claim. You did not listen very well.
Yes there are still descendants living in NZ. The shame that came from the way they were treated, by Māori and the government, and due to being landless.
Yes.
A false claim"? You must be an advocate of the history revision being pushed in New Zealand to support the agenda of the extremists. Proof please that the statement is untrue. There are only part moriori alive today. Much like maori themselves.
The name of the country is New Zealand. Might want to get that right first. What is this Aotearoa you keeping mentioning it doesn’t exist.
You might need to learn the maori history what the maori called new zealand just don't be upset about the name the maori call new zealand it's ok nothing to be upset about I'm just sitting here listening to the presenter's history about the maoris engaging in battle it's very interesting
Good thing you are watching this show, so that you can learn what it is called by Maori, just because someone else gave it a different name doesn't make it what it is.
I've learned a lot from your videos, very informative, but the amount of constant biased downplaying and justification is cringe. The amount of cope in the videos is detrimental to whole story, which is two sided as all stories are.
I know hongi’s wife was not a warrior because she’s blind and I hope I don’t offend anyone but physically weaker than the men but I also don’t understand how she could advise him on tactics and stuff if she can’t even see the battlefield.
Thanks from England, it is always fascinating and disturbing to see the damage we have caused!
Huh?
Rather, you brought civilzation to these barbarous shores and rid the world of slavery. You've much to be proud of~
How is a Maori trading gifts for muskets and then going on a campaign of bloodshed in his homeland the English peoples fault?
Trading the magic stick ( musket s and ammunition) @@AmonAnon-vw3hr