Plans to Create a Country for the Romani | King of the Gypsies, WW2, Roma People
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King of the Gypsies, WW2, Roma People, Kwiek Family, Gypsies Holocaust, Romani Holocause, Romani WW2, Gypsy nation, Romani Nation, History of the Romani, History of the Gypsies.
"some believe that they came from india"
well, they did though? they speak an indo-aryan language for a reason
Well, consider that Vlad and his dad raided Ottoman, they might have taken Indian expatriates as well.
Since Ottoman had links to India through either Silk Road (it had to go through Persia but might attract Indians) or Red Sea (they had Egypt).
@@powerist209 The Mughals were also something of like a Tributary of the Ottomans for a time, so they having some Indians makes sense.
@@ikengaspirit3063 The Mughals were never tributary to the Ottomans, it was the smaller Sultanate of Gujarat in Western India that was. This Sultanate was later conquered by the Mughals.
@@Daradajee
You are right, it wasn't a formal tributary relationship, even the USA had a more formal tributary relationship than that but the Mughals recorgnized the Ottomans and for that got the Cannons they used to win one of their first major battles from them.
@@ikengaspirit3063 the mughals were never a tributary lol they were probably more powerful and definitely more wealthier than the ottomans. The mughals though sold around 10 millions non-muslim indians to slavery between 1600-1700s.
Fun fact:
The current king of the Gypsies in Romania had offered to help Donald Trump with building the wall in 2016. He didn't get an answer.
Serios ? 😂
@@tepesobrejac4360 zu gasen....
There is no “king of gypsies”
@@woohooo7634 self proclaimed
Lmaoo sounds about right
Genetics has now solved the mystery of Romani origins. They were originally from North India, mostly from Dalit/Adivasi indigenous stock. Why they left India and wandered en masse towards Europe via Central Asia and the Middle East is not known.
Ottoman Empire and migrants. Like Indian Muslins going to Ottoman territories for opportunities but got into Europe somehow.
@@powerist209 Actually, When the Turkic Invaders reached there lands back with Millions of Indian Slaves, The Peasants threatened to revolt fearing that there jobs will be lost so the Rulers freed them and asked them to basically fuck off wherever they want to
they were brought as slaves in the massive ottoman slave trade, but eventually freed and became nomadic when they abolished slavery
@@thefiremaster112 @Napoléon Bonaparte @powerist It is a complicated mosaic. It is true that most came as slaves in the ottoman empire, but there also were Romani in Europe before those Romani on the Balkan became free. Some of them have to have migrated prior to that and possibly voluntarily.
@@thefiremaster112 yeah
Fun fact: Here in Brazil from 1955 to 1960 we had the first Gypsy president of the world. His name was Jucelino Kubitschek and he was from Czech ancestry from his mother side. Another fun fact, Brazil has on of the biggest gypsy communities of the world but most of them are highly integrated in society, so it's hard to see them.
@Wyatt Wolfe He didn’t. Actually he was basically the best president we had in history. He’s pretty well liked by both the left and the right. He was far from perfect tho. He ruined the railway infrastructure and got us in a lot of debt building Brasilia.
@Wyatt Wolfe The others were worse lol. Maybe Fernando Henrique could have been considered better.
@Wyatt Wolfe The industrialized the country. Help develop non coastal regions. Made Brazil an agricultural power house. Lowered taxes. Attracted foreign capital to the country. Built cities out of nothing.
Fun fact: this information is actually WRONG, because the first Brazilian President of Gypsy origin was Washington Luís, decades before JK!
@@IsidorosEduardos Cool, I didn’t know that. The café com leite period presidents are so forgetable that even if I once knew that I would have forgotten it already.
Just imagin they went to their homeland of Egypt to larp as Pharaos, just to learn they are indians xD
They'd probably get enslaved again
Sounds racist = sounds European 🙄 ..excuse my racism
@@dhimpaak How is being European racist, racism also existed in other regions of the world aswell, and it wasn't spread but rather made independently of Europe.
@@ipadair7345 see wats happening to roma ppl
@@jamegumb7298 are u living in the middle ages? N you guys talk abt human rights...such big hypocrites these western countries are.....
If it was upto me I wd love to welcome back to my country as it's their original homeland.
Never ask: A man his salary, a woman her age and a Romanian what they did to the gypsies
Not enough ☠️
Spoiler:they hate us and we hate them
@@mojewjewjew4420 it's a symbiotic relationship 🤷♂️
Romani*
@@alexn.2901 Gypsies
I had a Romani friend in high school, he smoked so much weed that after gym class, he would sweat and his sweat would smell like marijuana
Beautiful
The duality of man
Amazing
@Booker Chase Do you have any scientific proof that we Indians sweat like what we eat?? I eat rice based foods for breakfast/dinner and lunch. Yet I have noticed that my sweat smells like sweat and nothing else.😁
im not romani but i smoke that much weed too lol
The story about Vlad Tepes inviting people to a great feast for free and than burning them alive is not about gypsies, it's about all the beggars and thieves, regardless of their origins. One fact about Vlad and the gypsies is that he offered them freedom in exchange for service in the military, which they happily accepted and created their own regiment with the crow mounted on a pole as their symbol. Upon first contact with the janissaries they instantly broke though, hence the popular saying: brave like a crow on a stick (when you're calling someone a coward).
Actually he intimidated them which made them involuntarily join.
@@katarina9064 False
@@marius40838 not false, give a reliable source braindead person.
@@katarina9064 what you’re referring to is the old tales of German chronicles that said he fried 3 of them and made the rest eat them, then told them he’d continue doing that until there was no one left. Those are propaganda stories like the ones that gave birth to the vampire myth(drinking blood etc). Historians on the other hand, know that Vlad was always heavily outnumbered by the Turks and needed realistic ways of getting more soldiers. In this case it was freedom and spoils of war.
The gypsies not only happily accepted but asked to be put on the front line themselves bragging about how they would scatter the ottomans. Unfortunately for them they were excellent smiths, artisans and entertainers, but not soldiers.
@@olmaned3795 give me a source as i can only give you lots that will contradict yours.
Fun Fact - The Institution of "King of the Gypsies" was already present in Poland as early as the XVIIth century. The Gypsy King was officially nominated by the King of Poland himself. He was however most of the time a random nobleman who wasn't even a Gypsy, and his job was to collect taxes from the Romani, and represent their interest in the Polish Parliment. The practice of Gypsy King was disbanded after the Polish Partitions, but it was brought back along with the regaining of independence of Poland in 1918.
There are many kings of gypsies auto declared, there isn't only 1, here in Romania we have a king of gypsies too.
@@notyourdaddude1957 I only said that the postion of Gypsy King is known in Poland since the VIIth century, not that it was unique to Poland.
That is interesting, I've read somewhere that English gentlemen also held some king of gypsies ceremony. Never understood why , still don't. There's plenty of actual gypsy kings .
You all realize that Gipsyes and Romanis are invented words ! Their real name is Tzigani !
@@etherospike3936 Tzigani is still used for an example in Polish (Cyganie)
I’m surprised this channel isn’t more popular
anything with 100K+ subs is popular
It is because of that stupid cringey pretentuous cartoon avatar he uses
I don't think it is his cartoon. He did fine with his old artwork
The topic is super interesting and tone is good but I have to say I stopped the video half way because of the cartoon, isn't showing me anything valuable and started to annoy me. Maybe is just not for me, and rather than a rant of me leaving this is feedback as I would watch more videos of him if the images were more representative to the topic.
Technically speaking, Britain *did* create an indigenous buffer state between the Appalachian Mountains and Ohio/Mississippi rivers. However, it only officially existed for 20 years.
this is a major reason for the American revolution because people really wanted to settle further inland
the only group that successfully did this were scotish highlanders who were used to the rough terrain
btw love your videos
There might have been an attempt in the early years of the War of 1812 to set up this buffer state in Indiana and Michigan.
@@omegapc9520 The Scottish Highlander thing is kind of a myth. Most backcountry settlers came from Northern England and Northern Ireland and actually settled much closer to the coast than what we today think of as Appalachia. This, of course, was a time before canals or railroads, when anyplace ships couldn't get to from the sea was considered "roughing it." The issue of settlement in the west was less of settlers actually living there and more of real estate developers snatching up claims where they thought settlers *would* live in the future.
@@warreneckels4945 By the British.
Love your content
Never ask. A man his salary, a woman her age and Europeans how they feel about Gypsies
Never ask an American why they think it’s okay to call people racial slurs.
It's simple why there isn't a Romani state; they don't have a cohesive religious, linguistic, historical, and geographic identity unlike the Jews. The gap between Ashkenazi and Sephardi is relatively small compared to the groups of Romani. Diaspora Jews could always look back to their ancestral homeland or read the Torah as unifiers, whereas the Romani really can't do anything like this.
@Graf von Losinj Baruch HaShem
Dude, that happens with jewish ethnic divisions as well. Look up how many jewish ethnicities are there, you'll be surprised by how many.
@@jorgeh.r9879 Yes but As Middle Eastern Jew I say this,there isn't that large of difference between us and Jewish were always were connected...
@@jorgeh.r9879 yes but a greek jew isn't that diffrent from a polish jew or a Moroccan jew the only really different ones from mainstream Jewish theology were ethiopian and Yemenite jews even cochin (indian) jews were closer in practice of the religion than those two
Even knew a place of origin to pinPoint. The Sinti&Romas on the other hand hand didn't.
You should do some videos on weird and obscure political movements that existed in the past.
Suggestions would be like the Israeli Lehi movement, The union of Miladorossi, The East Asian anti-Japanese Front, The American Technocracy movement, or The Voluntary Human Extinction Movement to name a few.
Man I'm looking this all up. James Corbett has a good doc on technocracy inc in America.
*”based technocracy” intensifies*
What is this miladorossi?
@@Victurio monarcho communism. With the slogan: for the Tsar and the Soviets
Or Canadian social credit movement
At 1:47, any guesses as to how Jenkin “Cowdiddle” got his name? I definitely have my suspicions...
Hey! The Cowdiddles built this country!
I could've sworn I saw the last name "Cowdiddle" in Epstein's flight logs...
“My father was a Cowdiddler and his father was a Cowdiddler! And by damnit you’re a Cowdiddler too son!”
I heard he is the man who discovered milk. Great man indeed!
@@toraispre2972 it would be soon be discovered that the milk he discovered came from a bull.
The comment section is a war many Europeans wish to avoid
As a dutchman I just ignore it
Whatever man...I don't get it why they didn't assimilate. Probably because of economic stagnation.
I suddenly hate Gypsies
@@harshjain3122 Basically because Europeans did everything they could to make sure that Romani people always got stuck under the poverty line.
As a Romanian I cannot ignore it. Why do they call themselves Romani? Is absurd, this term was inveted in the 90s.
Romani, literaly in the Romanian language is the plural form of the word Romanian
Roman - Romanian
Romani - Romanians
There are arround 40 million people that are either Romanians or descendent from Romanians, we have a country, history, culture and everything else.
Now, people from India start to steal our that we fought like crazy 2 centuries ago to keep, literally millions of people died for our independence.
I come from world famous people who came from Italian 'Gypsies' called Sinti. My family became assimilated in the country we now live in. We lost almost everything. Language, family history and even knowledge ~ but I still have my DNA and those learned abilities from my ancestors. I used those exceptional abilities to found my international business. World Roma don't need a country. They need to be understood, not scorned. Some of us have talents from that past so long ago that contributed much to world entertainments today. When we have enough to eat and a home to live in, we are good people the same as others.
I identify more with Roma than any other culture because of my nature. Survival is the game we are all in. Roma are the great survivors among humanity. We have come a long way from Northern India. My lot passed through Persia in 439 A.D. We survived all the attacks from village people on the way to Europe. The Nazis killed about half a million of us in the Holocaust. But we are still here among you. We don't need a king. We need a voice. This is being established now.
We are a part of you. You are part of us. We cannot be separated from humanity because we too ~ are human. Johnny
I didn't know begging, pickpocketing, stealing and robbing were "talents". You don't need talent for those, just a lack of self-respect and no shame. Sadly, 99% of you fit the profile.
Iam From Banjara Community ( Gypsy tribe ) and we migrated from Rajashthan towards South India aprox in same period when Roma and other gypsy Tribes moved towards Europe. ( apox 1000AD )
we All Moved just and just because of Turkic Invasion ( Islamic rulers Invasions ) .
All Gypsy has same history , culture and lanuage.
where ever we Bnajara migrated we made separte Village called as Tada just for Banjara people to lives. ( we dont mix with others , we live separtly by making our own village ( Tanda ) ).
We also wear cloths with mirrors and colourfull cloths.
We belong to Warrior Class.
@@BozgorSlayer You are referring to Conservatives and Nationalists, right? I whole heartedly agree. Conservatives and nationlists know nothing more than begging, pickpocketing, stealing and robbing and other "talents" like religion which does all of the bad. Sadly, 99% of you fit the profile.
Good job Johnny
When they they said they were Pharaohs and wanted egypt I WHEEZED. Asthma ain’t got shit on me
WE
@@captainneedadrink WUZ
The original 'We wuz kangs and sheet'
see you aren't even Egyptian and you felt it imagine being Egyptian like me
@@omarmuhammed4171 Everyone trying to claim your history haha
When I was little my parents told me if I miss behave I’ll be cursed by them
@Nikola głodowski El Salvador in Latin America, they are disliked here too
my parents said that they would hand me to them.
lmao
@Nikola głodowski ye
@Nikola głodowski it's not anything new, they have a terrible reputation in italy too tho
My uncle told me that they were impoverished but now they were judges and work in high positions
I'd like to believe that the Gypsies could have a country of their own if they weren't that picky about location.
Likely
The Moon so we don’t have to worry about an Israel-Palestine dynamic.
Why? There isn't a lot of free land in the world, so any state created would likely be at the expense of an indigenous population having their homes stolen.
The problem is, you'd likely end up with an Isreal-Palestine situation where you would have to move people off the land for them to be able to move there, and that would cause a lot of conflict.
@@xanthman7528 they could be given an autonomy in some former German territory after WW2 - the Germans were expelled from there anyways, creating a void in settlement.
the plan to create a Chech homland in Argentinia after the german annexation of Chechoslovak republic in 1938........the german plan to create a "baltic german feudal state" in first world war.....the plan of black americans to create a black homeland i Liberia.....
The resettlement of freed slaves in Liberia did happen it wasn't just a plan. The capital of Liberia is Monrovia after James Monroe there are other citys like Buchannan after after James Buchannan and the county of Maryland the flag is based off of the american flag and the most populour names in liberia are John, Emmanuel and Mary
could you link some sources regarding the idea of a Czech state in Argentina after the Munich conference and subsequent annexation ? I've never heard of it, but it sounds really interesting.
Those sure are words
In Romania there are 2 kind of gypsies: one who want to integrate in a sedentary life and the ones who think that a real gypsy must make it is own rules and travel. An interesting book to read is Mirel Banica: Bafta,devla si haramul. He studied gypsies from whole Europe.
The second type is not in Romania anymore. They left the moment we joined the EU.
Same in Bulgaria
@Romania Insight Is there really such a thing in Romania? Not trying to be bigoted but are those part of the mafia I heard about in cities like Timisoara and Bucharest or is that just through a culture of desiring fancy things? Or was that a whole joke?
@Romania Insight Thank you for that Insight on Romania ;)). It is always better to listen to locals about things like that. As with most things surrounding Romania, it's either too difficult to read on about from my part of the world, or all I can find is slander. If I google "romanian man" first thing that shows up is british media crime news, that sort of thing always irked me about your country's reputation in west europe, and the tigan fearmongering, romonophobia as one put it, adds to that. After I made those comments I googled some more about the gypsy and came across some interesting interpretations as to why countries hate them so much, and it's similar to jews from before WWII. Hopefully those more well off gypsies will be able to help uplift the people's image.
The latter type must be the ones I see begging for money outside the local Walmart here in the U.S. I felt sorry for them and offered them food, but they get mad and say they will only accept cash. From appearances I assumed they were from Afghanistan, but they were quick to tell me they were Romanian.
thanks for making historical content
Let me know when they get their own country. I'll write to their nearest embassy and request that they'll return my bike.
Hahaha
@Soldat Kaiyodo If the attacker wins: Boom Blam gains: Bike.
If the defender wins: Bloom Blam renounces the claim on: Bike.
@@boomblam5738 in greece back in the 1850s or smth, there was this portugal jewish diplomat who had english citizenship as well... now greeks used to have a tradition the burning of judah or burning of the jew(like a bucolic burning man of sorts)... the greek gov wanted to suck up to some rothchild or another to take a loan(nothing if not consistent this nation) and they had invited them in greece for those days... so the gov denied the people the tradition... the morons thought it was because of the portugese diplomat... so they protested outside his mansion, shit got down real fast and they destroyed the house... now that guy was royally pissed... so he asks uk to back him up to claim reparations... he demands a crazy amount(something like 10% of the greek gdp at the time)... the greeks ofc deny... the british hated the fact that greeks were pro-russian so they decide that his claims were tots valid and greece should pay up or else... greece still denies(i mean the nation is just 20 years old and already bankrupt and it got bankrupt because the british "loaned" them money so that greece could buy some ships from them, which was another scandal altogether with money going all over the place and greece in the end getting like some fishboats instead of steampowered ironclads or w/e), uk blockades every fucking port they could blockade, they rob clean every merchant ship, they even take the ships, all that leads to devastation, and russia and france decide to intervene in favor of greece... still the case goes to court and greece has to pay like 3.000 drachmas or w/e(imagine like some million euros in today money)... so about that bike... it all depends... have you ever drank tea with the queen? and whats... like your position on torah and stuff?! xD
My bag that was stolen in Greece too, it have a nice headphone in it
@@MojoBonzo
So the hew with a j acted typically and the British acted typically i see.
We in Greece know that our "allies" dont really care about us
Would be nice if you included more sources. Seems like an overlooked piece of history, would be interesting to see scholarly research on the topic, if ti exists.
He’s a png tuber. They’re a step below vtubers
Gypsys arent egpytian tribes
Since egyptians are semitic or afroasiatic
Gypsys are indo aryan
Afro-asiatic is just another term for semitic
@@jonathanpilcher337 Id say Afro-asiatic is a bit more descriptive of a certain type of Semitic.
Yes. We all know that
@@jagmannenarbrand8373 it isn't it includes all semitic peoples?
@@jonathanpilcher337 Afro-Asiatic, or Hamito-Semitic, is larger than the Semitic group. Within the Afro-Asiatic group, you can find the Semitic languages (obviously) like Arabic, Hebrew, Akkadian, Aramean, etc, but also Kushic languages (Oromo, Somali); Tamazigh languages (from Morrocco to Egypt); Tchadic languages (Haussa); Ancient Egyptian (considered as a family by itself) and Omotic languages (Hamer, Aari) although this one is debated.
the land between Denmark and Germany called schleswig-holsten originally wanted to be its own nation and not a part of Germany or Denmark. so there's a video idea.
i didnt even know it had its own name i just thought i was another part of jutland
Lmao yea nah that was never Gunna happen
@@jerkanerm Northern Schleswig (today South Jutland) is just a part of the former Schleswig and presumably, the proposed independent country would have included both Schleswig and Holstein.
That's where my family is from. My grandparents were forced to leave during the second world war. Now we live in America, but we still speak German and Danish at home. I wish Danish Americans had a community but us Danes are one of the fastest assimilating groups in America. We lose knowledge of our origins within 1-2 generations. But every once in a while I meet someone who's family had to leave Denmark during the war who has held on to their heritage. It's like meeting a lost sibling.
@@christopherrasmussen9989 "I wish Danish Americans had a community"
I remember seeing videos about a town called Elk Horn in Iowa with a lot of Danish things though I don't think the inhabitants speak Danish.
They were so delusional......they wanted to be given Egypt...lmao
Isreal : sweat nervously
@Osirus Homunculi XIII gypsy-arab-hebrew conflicts would be intertaining
@@koalabear1984 imagine Egypt , Libya, Syria, and the Saudis forming a coalition against the Gypsies and Israeli faction
More likely they wanted a portion of Egypt, not the whole country.
@@alicesenz6374 but they’re not even from there, thats why its so ubsurd
I have not heard of this proposed country (or countries)! Thanks for the video!
Some alt history UA-camrs can use this as a video idea
Giving Gypsies the country of Lesotho
Yes, Lesotho fell off the back of a truck.
Very interesting piece of work everyday you learn something new in history.
A shame there's no list of sources in the description. This feels like such an ignored subject.
the nazis destroyed our history. they murdered us and burned every evidence they could find of our existence. they destroyed so much that it isn't known if 200k or 5 million of us were murdered. many European nations where we have our history are also extremely racist societies to this day, such as Romania. our history is overlooked for racist reasons across former Eastern Europe. simultaneously, Gádže appropriate the parts of our culture they wish was theirs.
Actually a kurdish state would be cool, I mean there are more than 20 Million of Them today, and they even have national Heroes Like Sala'al din
underrated comment
They should have given them one after they kicked ISIS out of the area. Seems the Iranians made sure that didn't happen unfortunately.
@@DesertsOfHighfleet I'm in Vietnam
There are two de facto Kurdish states in Syria and Iraq
Is not possible with Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran agreeing to demolish any hopes for that to happen
Hey Jabzy! I love the art in the background! I believe it's the Spoliarium by Juan Luna?
Yes it is Spoliarium
My mother use to tell me that I wasn't really hers, that a long time ago the gypsies left me in a basket at her door.
Classic ... And Everytime you saw a car filled with Gypsies your parents would tell you " there's your real family "😂
my mother scared me that I would be kidnapped by gypsies if I behaved badly.
the apostate - Have you taken a DNA test??
I m from turkey my mother used tell me same thing 😂😂😂 and I believe her in my mind. Every time I saw gypsies, I thought they come to take me.
@@aramo99 once my mom took me with her to get official documents for me when I was 4 or 5, and I called her misses instead of mom because she had told me that 🤣🤣
Thank you that was the most history i have heard about our people
Violent people like Vikings or mongols are glorified but people who were persecuted for millennia are spoken poor off.
They are violent too.
@@anotherhistoryenthusiast5874 hmm suppress and persecute a group of people for many centuries and wonder why they are backward and violent towards their oppressors.
@@Pike737 They were not supressed. They were free people. They had better lives than the average peasant. They were merchants and smiths, horse breeders and musicians. They took pride in never working under the shadow of any lord or men, but only working on their own terms. So they were far from being opressed. Also they came here, noone brought them in, they came by will.
Learn history first, then judge. Just becouse in one principality they were slaves they won't become persecuted as a whole group. In fact the vast majority of them had no history of such and aren't even living in a country that was using them as slaves.
@@anotherhistoryenthusiast5874 You're right, they weren't suppressed, they were literally just thrown into death camps or sent out of the country.
@@AlexBigShid When? In the 40's. Problems started before that.
congratulations you manage to buthcer Mihail Kogalniceanu name at a hole new level
"Killed in a family feud''
''Remain divided"
"pretend to be other nationalities"
Yup, these are the gybsies all right.
man i hate them so mutch..
@@hungariancuman2835 We all do.
@@hungariancuman2835 do you not see anything wrong with hating a whole race of people? Seems you Europeans haven't learned anything from your history.
@@hungariancuman2835 you sound like a certain mustache man from Austria
@@connorcolton868 no.
did you draw all of these things?
An expedition of Jewish representatives was funded to offer the Northern Territory of Australia up as a Jewish homeland before Israel.
Its absolutely gorgeous in the dry season, however after arriving in the Territory during the pre wet season build up, the offer was politely refused.
the Aborigines got the worst deal from all postcolonial nations
@@kuko331 Worse than Cambodia?
@@kuko331
The ones who got the worst deals are the ones that are extinct, or are fully just dead.
In terms of having the worst deal while still being alive, probably yeah
A nation that doesn't know where their ancestral homeland is can't have one
Up until our times the majority of people including the Romani themselves thought that they originate from Egypt and even today most of them still falsely believe the same thing
Furthermore especially today I don't think that there is a single country in the world that will willingly give up even a square inch of their land to the Romani so that they can create their own country
I'm Roma. i have never in my life met a Roma who wanted a nation of our own. we aren't a single people. that would be like a nation of all native peoples of the Americas - a super silly idea - each tribe has its own culture and even ethnicity. this entire idea is a concoction of European leaders trying to get rid of us, not our own idea. and Israel? Egypt? those are also not our ideas. also Europeans trying to get rid of us. in reality, our origin is a vanity fact - something nice to know, but has little to no impact on our contemporary cultures or lives. there might have been historical support by SOME Roma for these silly ideas (e.g. the ones becoming "kings"). but absolutely not a large portion 😁 we migrate to find a home where we can feel safe. and we continue migrating because there are very few places where we find safety.
I have to agree with you on that one
I personally don't want to get rid of the Romani
Who are the true Gypsies?
Roma (Gypsies) originated in the Punjab region of northern India as a nomadic people and entered Europe between the eighth and tenth centuries C.E. They were called "Gypsies" because Europeans mistakenly believed they came from Egypt. This minority is made up of distinct groups called "tribes" or "nations."
Finally someone who knows the truth
You know the only Europeans who call them "gypsies" were the British, right?
This word is only in the English vocabulary.
The rest of Europe uses different variations of the word "Çingene", which is a turkish word, and this is how the turks first called them back when they first arrived in this area.
@@0-Templar-0 And they are not Turkic at it all.
@@AdoptedCats I didn't say they're Turkic, I just said that no one in Europe calls them "gypsies" except for the British.
@@0-Templar-0 Gypsy possibly meaning Vagabonds
That’s possibly meaning to understand all languages
Thanks for the vid love knowing more bout myself
Just looking into the comments for a moment and the amount racism against the Romani people from Europeans is, while unsurprising, still sad to see.
Iv known that Romani people existed but knew very little about them and so I looked into them and jesus, the amount of casual racism against them is staggering. And every response you get from a racist European is something along the lines of "you haven't met a gypsie so you don't know how bad they are".
Yes and many who admonished racism against gypsies, once they took them in, proved their hypocrisy shortly thereafter. This is well-documented and exists as a rule. An instant hate once having dealings with them.
Europeans are racist even against other European citizens.
@@Spongebrain97 It's even worse when you realize that Europeans go "Oh, America, you shouldn't attack black people, they're just like you!" (you shouldn't do that indeed), and then they go and treat Romani people like shit.
come and see how they destroy our cities. we being 'racist' against them is their fault
This was educational.
So part of me wanted to be compare them to Vandals, more in line with “how these people got here” (Vandals started out as landlocked Germanic tribe but ended up as maritime African power while Gypsies/Romani started out as Indians but ended up in Europe in 15th century).
@@vardekpetrovic9716 Maybe, but by Late Antiquity, they are staying near and later inside land-locked Pannonia.
@@powerist209 and north africa our cousin of gypsy jews separdic khazar you joking vandals settled in north africa was pushed by vizigot from spain in north africa
There's little parallel between Gypsies and Vandals other than both having undergone a kind of exodus & traveling to a different continent.
Mostly in that case. Like "how the heck they got to strange places".@@fartz3808
recently at the last council elections Nicu Ion became one of the first Romani councillors in the UK working for Newcastle council
This is a historical perspective I'd love to see more of. Are there any UA-camrs specializing in Roma history?
That would be cool
That channel would run out of content very soon.
Hmm.
@Wyatt Wolfe I mean whites nationalist and black nationalist already claimed Egypt as their.
Yh search up the Roma guys on UA-cam
2:57 the institution of King of the Gypsies was known in Poland in 17th and 18th century (they were basically tax collectors, not necessarilty being Gypsies themselves); 8:55 Kwiek is pronounced like Kvyek (v like in van and ye like in yen); also if someone would be interested here's link to the whole video showed in the beginning ua-cam.com/video/X6kIaOtr9Es/v-deo.html
gypsies were tax collectors?
i find that hard to believe given they are nomads.
@@mth469 gypsies are debt collectors to this day in eastern europe, they practice usury
Please make a video about indigenous people of America's plans to build their own country, including First Nations of Canada, Native Americans and others in the Latin America. What if they formed a great country with distances that sparred boundaries of many countries.
America is THEIR country, they should take it back
@@friendlyinformer8095 you do know native americans are only 2% of usa's population right?
@@mappsmappings4025 yes genocide and systematic racism made sure of that.
@@friendlyinformer8095 Well then case close, no need for the imbecile ,,take it back" comment... the 2% left should intergrate if they haven't already.
@@lucianioncelescu3302 ah yes case closed, a simplistic response from a simplistic mind. We're lucky you'll never be a real judge.
Damn look at the comments what's with hatred for Romani people by Europeans.
Live next to gypsies for any amount of time and you'll understand.
Come and try it.
@@rightwingreactionary With a screen name like that why should anyone trust what you have to say?
@@Sara3346 You wouldn't trust the sentiment I expressed, even if my name was treehugginghippy. You're a bigot, lady.
@@rightwingreactionary Roma Americans live perfectly fine. There are an estimated one million americans with Roma heritage and they all live normal lives with a nice house, paying jobs, etc. You wanna know why they were able to make a living for themselves? Because Roma aren't as heavily discriminated against here as in Europe. Most Americans don't even know Roma exist, so when u tell someone ur Roma they are interested and think it's cool. Roma Americans are able to get jobs without worrying about their race being a factor if they get the job or not, unlike Europe. It's almost as if Roma were treated like human beings then they would be able to thrive. Europe hasn't gotten to hang of that yet. Yall still s*gregate Roma kids from white kids in schools, and teach Roma kids at a lower level then white kids bc u believe that Roma are less intelligent. And if Roma kids do manage to go to a good school they get ignored or b*aten by r*cists like u. I wish to all of the Roma in Europe that y'all are able to thrive one day without being attacked by Europeans.
The second-wave of Asian migration to America is a bit wayward if I grasp it correctly. The premise is that thousands of years after Central Asians followed megafauna across the Bering Strait to North America a more traditionally East Asian population were pressured to cross the Bering Straits. But when these migrants arrived on the new continent, the already settled Native Americans did not permit them to travel much south of the Arctic Circle and thus they were trapped in the Arctic Circle, in which time they adapted to some of the most extreme weather imaginable. I’ve got to imagine that when those East Asians decides to migrate they weren’t planning on settling for the Arctic Circle.
damn that painting behind you is the "Spoliarium" by Juan Luna; a Filipino Revolutionary. Proud Filipino here!
Agreed!
@caitlyncarvalho7637 Yes, but for autonomy reasons.
I like the how "Spoliarium" is in the background
16:22 Native American Buffer State? Sounds cool, would love to see a video about it.
There are rumors that Ceausescu, in Romania, wanted to build a massive boat and send all romani people to a island in the middle of nowhere.
Lmfoa
Based
:D awesome
Wasn't that the marshal Antonescu rather?
@@akuleet6029 Yea, him too. It seems they agreed on something in the end.
Please make a video on the Native buffer State between Canada and the USA
There is a movie from 2018 called The Magic Mirror, about a young Romany girl in Croatia. It's pretty good.
I really dislike this "Romani" name. It sounds way too close to Romanian, and I don't want people to think Romanians are gypsies.
Oh boy do I have the bad news for you.
Seek help
Or maybe stop thinking so lowly of an entire ethnicity and the confusion will no longer bother you.
@@Pelagion98 Really? Well tell me then. Altough I already know what you're going to say.
@@aryman6589 Why?
Do a video about the Basque Country.
anything to get them out of Romania
Based
Actually they are good for the economy and Romania’s ecosystem since they are the ones that are usually recycling everything for future use.
And bosnia and balkans in general
That’s view of so called Vlax perspective history of Kwiek family and Romanian Roma to Word War 2 to Holocaust, but from Central European Roma there is something else as well from other Roma across the Europe like Gitanos . thanks for highlighting important question of Romani nation.
Where can I get that sick lamp?
Get country -> sell for scrap metal -> profit
Is it true that they are prone to getting their eye socket caved in by gingers?
pick enough pockets and you eventually you will piss someone off
@@HammadiLobbongel Ethiopian?
@@HammadiLobbongel Nice profile p
@@HammadiLobbongel all neeeds to be said really
nice video
TY 😊
In South America I heard there was a movement to make a Quechua country where Quechua is the first language
The men mentioned in this video especially janus kwiek were leaders of a specific group of gypsies called the kelderash or keldelara , theres many groups of gypsies with different dialects and customs each group has there own leader or king so the notion king of all gypsies is inaccurate and false , every roma person will say the same , at the time of janus kwiek my great grandfather joshka and his brother moro were leaders of the lovara gypsies in poland , the kwiek family held no power or rule over our people so where ever there is a group of roma they all have there own leader and theres no such thing as a king or emperor of all gypsies in reality those people who called themselves kings of all gypsies are more like ambassadors between our people and the outside world
is the painting in your back of the video the spolarium?
Can you please post your sources in the comments or in the description of your videos for easy access please?
He has none
I dated a Romani girl once . . . been scratching ever since.
Doubt 1000
Kinda racist
That’s a fat L.
@@benjaminrobinson7203 and?
i hope you will never do that again
*Sees the title of the video* oh yeah the comment section in this one is going to be wild.
Is there a reason for your choice of painting at the back?
Hey, enjoyed the video, but will say you may want to use some different animations, some of them seem to give a bad representation of what most people’s reactions are towards horrendous events.
a man named Jenkin Cowdiddle has the most king-worthy name there is
You mention some Gypsies being Orthodox and 'flirting with the Greek Church.' Just for future reference, these are the same thing :). Great video though, thanks for making it.
@@TOBAPNW_ The Greek, Russian, Romanian et al churches all fall under the 'Eastern Orthodox' definition. I'm Orthodox myself and also based my degree studies on it. I know what I'm talking about.
I do however appreciate your point about different regional components of the Eastern Orthodox church.
@@SuperFreejohn I think he is referring to Greek Catholic Churches
@@andriidyiakon5399 Yeah he could have meant them, that would also make sense.
Romanis*
Might he mean the Greek Catholic church?
I hope youll get 200 subscribers soon
I think you mean 200k
@@corkonianmapping2074 yeah sorry
Cham people in today native to central Vietnam, also have similar story, French plans to create Cham country, The last Cham Kingdom of Champa last in 1832, annexed by Vietnam. Cham are very close to Malay and Indonesian. their architecture, traditional costume, and language.
So much so that Chams that moved to Malaysia have no problem assimilating Malay society.
Is that where we get shampoo? I know it’s from the Indian word champoo
Chams are sons of Indosphere. We need to bring back our old glory.
I mean a Romani state isn't unheard of like I can name a people group in the USA who have their own independent rules and council and at one point were semi independent due to persecution of their people (cough cough Mormons) for they call the head of the religion the President of the Mormon's and almost became a buffer state name deseret. The people even tried to make a origin story saying the indigious people of America was a lost tribe of Israel who was punished, and their founder was lead to golden tablets where this lost tribe buried their rituals and stories. (I learned this through my grandfather and an attempted conversion by the California Mormon church)
I recommend the film Papusza from Poland.. about a gypsy poet.. however it will be hard to find a version in English
The "King of the Gypsies" is a silly concept, many random Romani have claimed the title "King of the Gypsies", often to deal with an immediate threat by outsiders, they don't correspond to any "monarchy" we would recognize. And a country for the Romani is problematic - many Romani don't WANT a homeland, they embrace nomadic life. Morris Berman's "Wandering God" claims, among other things, that nomadic living is more often ideological choice rather than an economic necessity, and most modern nomadic societies began as countercultural movements that adopted travelling as a rejection of the social order (and to avoid government control). Thus they are feared and hated by governments (and publics) that can't track and control them.
Ye my family has been in Spain since who knows when I am not planning to move anywhere lol
They’re disliked because they call theft foraging and do it like it’s going out of style.
"nomadic lifestyle" is a total myth. we don't want to migrate. we flee persecution. there's a huge difference there.
but yes. we don't want a nation of our own. we aren't even a singular people. i have literally never met a fellow Roma who would want a land for only Roma. nationalism goes completely against our culture.
please cover the various Back-to-Africa movements like Marcus Garvey! fascinating convergence between post-ww1 racial violence in america (tulsa 1921 stands out) and the state of imperial conquest of west africa
But then, who are they going to steal from?
This is culturally impossible.
this is the end result of hundreds of years of cultural integration.
@@Ulrna based on the meager information I have on the Romani is that a plurality of these insular communities in America and Europe are living off of government programs. Therefore they are not independent enough or would value a start from ground zero country building process. Most communities engage in group based fraud schemes. It's a mess. The Kurt's have a better chance than the Romani of having their own nation
@@marine76a hahaha how dare you stereotype all of us saying we rely on government schemes???😭😂😭😂you need help why do you have so much hate for us?😂😭😂
@@armandovuitton4709 Gypsies use too many emojis.
@@marine76a ermmm wow would
you want me to clap for you
now ? And for you it’s not gypsies but Romani😂☺️ now stay in your lane you jealous gorgerrrrr
King John Faa was real? Did he and his tribe escort a girl with a golden compass to the north pole?
I'm a descendant of him , dont think so
It wasn't a compass. Nor the North pole.
They stole my bike
Damn the Brazillians, Venezuals, Central Africans, and Madagasy all dodged a bullet and avoided a genocide against them
Wouldve been a second palestine
Tf?
@@josecarioca8785 mucho plans yo turn them into jewish states
Dark humor
I give a like
@@AMR_k400 it's not humor, he meant that
Europeans are basically Americans in the 30s
Very interesting moving picture
It needs to be for all so called "Gypsies" if this becomes a kind of reality not just Rom aka Roma aka Romani but also Dom aka Doma aka Domari and Lom aka Loma aka Lomari
I'm all for it as long as the country is located in a galaxy far far away.
Let's talk about gypsies *proceeds to make 90% of the video only about Romanian gypsies although they were never the highest minority in numbers here*
The Gipsies came from India, man!
They kind of are, like 10% of the population.
@@vaniukk3100 No. They are 3% of the population(600k). And they are the second largest minority (behind hungarians)
@@rizzeh7444 In Romania, there are a lot more gypsies. I know both country very well, believe me.
@@hunorcsaszar9977 no it's only 3 percent, I'm from Romania btw. There are more Hungarians, actually more than double the number of gypsies. About 1.3-1.2 millions Hungarians compared with about 600 thousand gypsies. There are so many Hungarians that they are the majority of population in parts like Covasna or Harghita. But, if you are interested in percentage, gypsies in Bulgaria are making about 4-5 percent of population, but is still low and pretty homogeneous compare with others countries .
I am from Romania during school all my bullies were of gypsy origin. They called me fat and ugly mostly every time. Also they were stealing a lot of things from my mates. I wasn t rude towards them so they did it just for fun.
Here in Greece everyone hates them
@@tonivoul1971 bruh lol, i was born in Greece and my father told me Greek people are kinda racist towards Romanians
@@cornel9116 nah that's lies . Also wtf you had gypsies in your school?! How come and they didn't abandoned it
@@dimitrisg45 it isn t lies. And not all gypsies abandon school.
@@cornel9116 racist toward albanians yes , but not Romanians ...
Wonder if this video will get demonetised.
Sinti and Roma are two different Independent ethnic People of Indian Origin
Indian isn't one ethnicity
@@indranildutta5838 you are proving my point , exactly, just because both are from Indian subcontinent doesnt mean they are the same. Because there are many different indian ethnicities.
I hope they have this in Victoria 3
hahahaha why lmao
@@adammacgreagoir4924 genocide option 🤗
@@dimitrisg45 thats just a waste of taxable population.
It be pog event chain
@@electricangel4488 it's not waste if it leads to massive plummeting of crime and robbery and rape ..
Genetic links to India.
The primary branch H1 (H-M69) and its subclades is one of the most predominant haplogroups amongst populations in South Asia, particularly its descendant H1a1 (M52). A primary branch of H-M52, H1a1a (H-M82), is found commonly among the Romani people, who originated in South Asia and migrated into the Middle East and Europe, around the beginning of the 2nd millennium CE and theKhmer people who got under influence from Indian populations.[2] The much rarer primary branch H3 (Z5857) is also concentrated in South Asia.
Ok, so what now?
i do not know what bro just said but we up‼‼‼🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥💯💯💯
I aint real allat😹😂
@@stanfordleonard338 💯💯💯
So what?? Kid
Good video but can you not have the same atmospheric music playing throughout every single video
i think i found jabzy upload time, maybeee......
If they have their own country who are they gonna scam?
Underrated comment
@@MHG796Only if you're a National Socialist 😂😂😂
@@technician122 i bet you probably never met a gypsie in your life, but only because it's have to do something with india.
Typical indian mindset