yeah, Plush is wrong on that one, to this day Cu Alter is EX at his niche. he melts HP bars like butter and he stays alive longer than any Zerk(yes, even bond 10 Herc) and that is all you need from him.
@@Zeon081he does not survive more than Hercules lol😂 herc can survive 3 ce + 1 guts from skill and 1 evade(maybe 2 guts and 2 evades with mystic code), That's 7 turns easily. cu would struggle to survive 5 even if somehow np looping.
@@Zeon081 In a team situation and with good enough RNG or no sure hit/invul pierce/buff removal before NP then yes. Otherwise Herc easily racks up 5~7 turns which is something Cu alter can only dream of nowadays where one attack from CQ bosses can easily oneshots a zerk.
As someone who used Eric to beat the big spider, he has one solid niche but it requires bond 10. His bond CE gives 25% crit damage to the party which is decent for a permanent buff. You keep him around for the as long as you need him and then just let him die when he becomes a liability. He’s a decent off support and because he’s a zerk his base buster hits are solid. I’m not huffing hopium and I’m not in shambles I swear
Vlad/Galatea/Castoria rant story arc timestamps: 4:17:45 - Otto's Vlad-Castoria rant 5:29:31 - Some clarification 5:40:53 - Vlad vs Galatea 6:33:14 - Plushie weighs in Top tier content. Love it.
Arjuna Alter is still insane after all these years. Free bonus damage/powermod at the highest possible level, that can be just applied to anyone, is the biggest draw. Personal trivia/anecdote time, I only have him at NP1 and Grailed, and the fact that he could outperform most of my NP2+ AoE SSRs with just damage alone is honestly crazy. His easy-to-apply superb damage ceiling is what makes him relevant throughout the years.
Skipping to the end so I can look at my pet project servant and see their ranking accurately reflecting their position in gameplay and still getting angry at it 👍
I started the game around last year summer, and honestly having Heracles was so nice. My account had almost nothing, but the fact that Herc can just stay in the back line, come in and solo the remaining boss hp was so valuable. I will say bond 10 took a lot of time, even with the amount of story clear stuff.
Started JP over the summer and Herc was my first 4*... With NP5 Jerker in the shop, my teams quickly became Jerker in the front line with whoever had class advantage, Mash and Herc in the rear as anchors. Honestly, my only disappointment with Herc was the lack of extra damage that NP2 made - I guess that's lack of an NP upgrade for you 🤷♂️ oh and the fact that the bond CE took until the second half of Olympus to grind out 😅
Started at the of morgan banner last summer, got Herc as tutorial roll and rerolled with Morgan. Also got necro CE at initial rolls. Can cofirm, they carried me.
It's funny, I had two very different experiences of Herakles on JP and on Global. On JP, where i got him very early, he was by far my most clutch unit, especially going through part 2, where he more than covered for my somewhat chaotic roster. On Global, where I got him a bit later and in a far more complete roster, he's kind of never used. By the time he reached bond 10, I had very little need for an anchor unit (and Cu did the job masterfully when I really needed one).
This was worth catching live for Otto digging a massive hole during the Vlad discussions and Plushie just coming in swinging at the end. I did love how much "there, I added it, now shut up" energy Myst just adding the additonal tier had. Super fun stream.
This is me on JP! I have such a well developed chaldea on NA but started JP over summer and was not expecting to need a hypercarry... But then I got a friend with NP5 120 Godjuna and the game became 70% easier 🤷♂️
Morgan stands her ground as a Berserker that's close to a One Size fits all in a matter of Support she can go along with for content Arjuna stands his ground as a Berserker that's close to a One Size fits all in a matter of Damaging any schmucks stands in his way
I heard Morgan’s banner is This month; and I started this game during Arjuna Alter’s Banner and I got him twice in my 1st 10 pull wanted to see how much better she was that Arjuna
You mention not understanding Brynhildr’s Beloved, and fair, because 99% of traits are a mess, but there was a 4Gamer interview from 2017 where they explained their definition behind it “4Gamer: So she’s a star because she’s an alien? (laughs) So next, I’d like to ask about the special damage bonuses. That’s a mechanic that heavily influences your tactics throughout the game, so I’d like to hear more about them. For example, what about Brynhildr’s “beloved”? Nasu: “Brynhildr’s beloved” simply refers to those who fit Brynhildr’s definition of “a righteous person.” 4Gamer: A righteous person? Nasu: Not the general definition of being righteous, but a hero who fits Brynhildr’s definition of “righteousness.” So if someone righteous like Tony Stark from Iron Man shows up, she might say, “I don’t feel anything… He must be evil.” (laughs) So if you can figure out what “beloved” means, you can also figure out Brynhildr’s definition of righteousness, as well as her preferences.”
Sen no rikyuu being the only quick unit in the EX tier kinda make me happy and sad at the same time. Happy because she got what she deserved, sad because we get less quick as top tier unit.
@@Zictive overall, yes that might be true, which is why it seems like the dev try to revive quick again by making alot of quick units in these days. For example, so far ordeal call arc give us 3 quick, 4 art, and only 1 buster servant.
1:32:56 *BESEERKER!!!* (Heracles) Edit: I legit just put Heracles in the back with his bond CE as a fail safe. It SAVED my ass SEVERAL. TIMES. There was that one enemy in Fairy Britain (shadow tamamo cat I believe) came in and just eviscerated all of my units. I even slapped a Super Orion in the back (he was not max) and he still died. Heracles had to stop it in its tracks with its guts, allowing me to clear the “survive” condition long enough
Normally I watch the entire thing before I comment, but I wanted to make this point now so that people who read through can see it and it hasn’t been mentioned yet (I’m at 31:00 currently). Reines is probably the best berserker support in the game and her existence should affect some of their placements. For these lists, y’all assume meta supports like Castoria and Vitch, so I think it’s fair to assume Reines, even if it’s just friend support. Her NP completely negates class disadvantage, gives np gain which helps when you only have one arts card, overcharge which is nice, and her skills give charge, a large attack up, targetable invuln, and party wide defense up and damage cut. Her biggest disadvantage in normal comps, her class being rider and thus sucking up a lot of stars, is a plus as berserkers don’t absorb anyways and have large absorb numbers on skills if they do. Her NP is also highly spammable as she has really strong arts crits and gives NP gain up. Because of that, a lot of squishy servants can now survive fairly well. Spartacus’ healing over time is now relevant because of her defense up and class disadvantage removal. Asterios, the fluffy best boy that he is, can now more reliably get his NP because of the her NP gain and arts cards being added to the deck and works well as a secondary support/dps for your main DPS. I could see those three working well together in a potential team comp, or maybe using nightingale in place of asterios. Just wanted to mention that!
Holy cow those are some really amazing points. Very applicable for me as an og galatea enjoyer. Wish this had been brought to attention before the NA case files rerun. You my good friend deserve a lot more credit 🤝
Okay FINE I will roll for Reines next time she shows up on JP! I don't have her on NA, so it will be a fun change, plus my favorite team consists of Jerker, S. Castoria and someone with class advantage in the front and Herc w/ bond CE pulling anchor... So I could REALLY use the survivability 😅
This is basically assuming her NP to be up permanently, which just isn't the case, most of the time. Unless you run her with Kaleidoscope or such, you'll either have to waste NP gain skills to get it up or you risk your Berserker dying before reaching that point. It might work with Cu Alter and other Berserkers with good survivability, but usually, you want to burst when you bring a Berserker, not stall, since Berserkers are incredibly susceptible to getting 1 hit ko'd by random crits whenever her NP isn't up. She does have her use for challenge quests and such, but most of the time, hard survivability and damage buffs like Castoria's overcharge is just way more valuable. Her biggest advantage is not being Caster class, that's usually the only reason you'd pick her over most of the "better supports".
4:20:02 I understand your point and it is valid Until you see kintoki above him in A+. Bro, I love kintoki, I have the rider grailed too, but man… the berserker sucks, and if your argument is that vlad is trash without support، I think the same applies to the golden boy even to greater extent. He will die easily, his skills is basically a flat charge a meh skill and a dead skill
I think Kintoki is more fine without supports because a lot of the times you don't really need him to NP more than once anyway because he is more of a farmer above a DPS. Vlad on the other hand needs to go the distance way more so the lack of supports would hurt him a lot more.
@@MystFGO Vlad can be in those support-less farm teams too. His damage isn’t as good, but he has the advantage of better survivability and an art np to be able to NP more often to make up for it What about Gong? He is all about eating those SSRs, should you drag him down for that? imho no, cuz that’s his purpose anyways. I think excluding supports because a servant is super reliant on them to shine isn’t the right call, and also, that would give solo servants a great undeserved boost when some of them can’t do anything besides that Edit: Also, great tierlists btw. Sorry if I sounded harsh, it wasn’t intended 🏃🏻♂️😂
Arjuna Alter is still insane after all these years. Free bonus damage/powermod at the highest possible level, that can be just applied to anyone, is the biggest draw. Personal trivia/anecdote time, I only have him at NP1 and Grailed,in NA and the fact that he could outperform most of my NP2+ AoE SSRs (to be exact, most of them are non-Berserkers and most of them are Grailed too to boot, his closest competition in my Chaldea is my NP3 Grailed Raikou and her battery buff still comes very soon) on the recent BINY 2024 and even Road to 7 Recollection Quests with just damage alone, is honestly crazy. His easy-to-apply superb damage ceiling is what makes him relevant throughout the years.
U know, after seeing myst and otto discuss a bit on the rashomon CEs, I kinda want to see a updated CE tier list being updated from the old CE tier list of a few years ago
Honestly, justice as served. Let's be real... it's berserker, if any class can have a "above EX but not account changing" DPS it's berserker, they carry more value as DPS simply because of the sheer versality
@@spacesui-t I just adjusted her timestamp by 1 second and saved the changes and that seemed to have fixed it. Not sure why it was broken in the first place though.
@@HerMi.Tthat does qualify as a L... The internet's ability to argue over anything will always be fascinating. Remember that one time when she had to picklock in the warehouses stealthily and ended up only picking one after the liberation army had triomphed over the queen's guard? LB 6 castoria is a L magnet dude. When it's not because skill issue it's because everyone hates her specifically and even those who don't get their free subscription at life revoked.
I have been a Vlad main since i was blessed with him 1 week after i started playing in early 2017. He has always been the foundation of my Chaldea from early stall teams with merlin/mash to castoria now. Vlad being a Berserker gives him flexibility and while i will say berserktoria is more loaded, Vlad still gets the job done in challenge quests against a wide variety of enemies. Vlad may not have the highest ceiling but he is serviceable, and i think the value he brings to accounts that especially are not as developed cannot be understated. I am most definitely biased but I love my vampire with day one animations and not a costume in sight :'(.
Raikou with her buffs is kinda cracked now. Guaranteed absorb, high crit damage, upgraded NP which is significant for her, battery so she can farm. On top of that, her CQ potential rises, and with Koyanlight, she can now hit 3/5 attributes of the Servant cast (Man, Earth, Sky).
I think Raikou could of gone to possibly A+. With Vitch she covers the 3 main Attributes Earth/Sky/Man so very high chance to proc at least 1 powermod possibly 2 on the 3 wave. Which is almost a similar coverage to Gil and Gil was EX tier in the Archer tier list I missed the stream so didn't get a chance to raise that as a discussion topic but it is what it is.
After all this time, I still somehow underestimate Godjuna's damage. I was prepared to long clear the Teslafest CQ with Tesla and the two Gils, but decided to try speedrunning it with Godjuna at least once. Didn't think it'd actually work, just wanted to have a bit of fun. He mopped the floor with them with no trouble on the first try. He's still the tried and true nuclear option for me.
4:50:00 shoutout Otto for always showing Ushi Gozen love and talking about how crazy she is. I think I’ll forever be a little salty with how many people in the community were trashing her on release but i feel like those who use Ushi Gozen understand. I don’t have a quick support on JP so i tend to run support skadi or summer skadi, Ushi gozen, Yui shousetsu and then plugsuit castoria and i routinely hit 1-5 million damage without even counting crits
She’s very, very strong, crazy crits and good damage mods, I just think she’s really boring and I’m sad we didn’t get her cool armour Anyone who says she isn’t good is stupid
Cu Alter is what got me to stick with FGO. Happened to get him on a rate up banner while i was still in the 2nd singularity. Carried me hard through events and story , as i got him when I'd only been playing for like 3 months. Might have quit if he didn't help me get through those early days.
For the ibaraki part that was a trip down memory lane bro. If I had to guess which servant died with their guts for Myst my money is on Cu Alter because the Jalter and Cu Alter banners came literally right before that event if not during it because I remember so many people having them both on setups at stupid high np levels. I remember specifically taking support Jalters at np5 to kill that raid but I could only manage the second highest difficulty. I also vividly remember Jalter and Cu being still very fresh to the game as well. Man those were some crazy times.
Another small note to add to the endless Vlad/Galatea conversation is the lack of NP damage in his kit. It's the damage type castoria doesn't provide and it actually puts Galatea higher in the damage department if he can't get any NP damage. Obviously it depends on support/CE setup since you can bring tamamo/BG but I think it's a solid plus for Galatea.
Man, I am in public and I am having the most uncontrollable smile and laughing quietly, and the comments aren't helping; great job with everything and to everyone. Have a great moment and month.
someone in chat mentoned herc s3 upgrade locked till atlantis completion, which is really important tbh it will probably be an essay, but lets start from reolling till herc, who is still probably the best starter even after the starter pool changes EARLY GAME: also his skills on 1-1-1 are still super good (especially 2 and 3 skills require levels only for CD reduction for the most part) for completely f2p even without bond CE he is probably enough to carry a couple of fights guts CE come +- every year (next one is fairy cup, then illiafest), but even red keys 3* CE is probably good MID GAME: bond exp till bond 10 can probably be farmed even before part 1 ending(depends on story speedrunning and other event) I myself got herc super late in story(lb 1-2) and at this point story bond rewards are huge, so bond 10 took even less time so herc is super good with low investment, gets better with little investment and story progress + bond CE LATE GAME: x / 10/10 zerk with bond CE and counting on 1 evade or invul from mystic code (coming off cd) can scam like 6-7 turns cause his s2 and s3 can come off cooldown but this theoretical 7 turn scam requires perfect situation when your team is wiped exactly 5 out of 6 in 1 turn, which is probably not that easy to do (if there is 1 support alive bad rng can make you loose a lot of cards and guts, thats why we want him solo anchor) if you are ready to theorycraft your other team to die in exact order to let him finish work solo, then you probably can just make team better to not require an anchor so i completely agree with otto on anchors and their ease of use and low requirements, but with better toolbox of servant he looses some of his value also important for late game can be no way to ignore defensive gimmics, but it is probably a strecth all said above is my expirience while using herc for a year and a half in main story and some SQ as a 5 turn buster beatstick so both EX and A+ are fine, but if he is probably the weakest EX in this list
Listening to you talk about your friend who only cares about Farming Numbers got me thinking back to the idea of the Low Rarity/FTP tier list as a separate thing, and it got me thinking I'd be interested in a Tier List that's specifically focused on how useful a character is to endgame/P2W accounts. I feel like it could be fairly short, since the number of servants a Whale with a built up account will ever realistically use is a lot smaller.
Morgan is probably the servant that i am the most torn between on how i feel about in the game tbh. I used to be pretty meh about her and just wrote her off as being a solid pick but not as good as Arjuna alter, especially for farming. As of late though, I've gotten use out of borrowed copies of her for multicore and she has a surprising good amount of synergy with other servants, the only problem is her awful farming damage numbers at np1 without hittng any of her niches, arjuna by far wins out on this, but i do see her draw as a good multicore farmer with her split 30/20 battery and party wide buffs, she has particularly weirdly good synergy with chen gong since he has a 1 turn buster up for berserkers and a party wide 10% battery, and she has np gain up, attack up, and OC on her np, which is extremely good for chen gong doing more damage, that and he can enable plugless comps for her by cycling in another support. I would use castoria if i had her to support both of them then cycle in Oberon for wave 3 with 2004 for an easy comp that honestly could probably work on neutral for chen gong, you can either have gong do wave 1 and 3, or just do wave 2 with him and have morgan be your main farmer. With appends this works with 0% CE so great for events without charge. Aside from farming i have used hyper copies of her borrowed from friends for CQs and obviously shes cracked because its such a high level copy, but even then i dont think she was out damaging a normal arjuna alter if shes not hitting any niches. I still think shes better at CQs and boss content because she obviously has alot more in her kit, but if youre not hitting niches and you just need a single dps i think Arjuna alter is just the better pick. They both have guts and she gets big crit resistance and attack down on the enemies and he gets heals per turn, id say morgan is better on survivability but they both have that hard survivability on the guts so unless its a long drawn out fight i dont see it being a huge difference. I definitely think shes way better the longer the fight drawns on, and that of the boss is debuff immune shes absolutely the better pick by default, but i still feel arjuna competes and even wins against her in some CQs, she's definitely more versatile and gets good synergy with castoria, but he can just sometimes end the fight before they even have a chance to do anything because of his insane numbers. I think they both serve different main purposes but can do the others main job aswell albeit not as effectively or under certain circumstances. (farming nodes having man attribute/round table makes morgan compete with arjuna and her being better for multicore, whilst arjuna for CQ content can just brute force alot of stuff with raw damage numbers so sometimes it is just better to go monkey brain rather than pick morgan). I suppose i would still put morgan into EX but only just barely, i think arjuna is old reliable and can brute force ALOT of stuff simply for having broken numbers, but i think morgans versatility keeps her plenty viable and better in some circumstances.
@@ShiraFuyu2022 I'd still say Arjuna has the higher ceiling obviously, his damage is totally cracked and works on 99% of things, so I do think he's a little bit better, I just think they do better in different jobs rather than being compared directly. I would have put Morgan in like EX- tier or something, in any direct comparison numbers she loses out without niches being hit/bosses being debuff immune, but it's what she does that Arjuna doesn't that puts her up there with him, it's almost not fair to compare the two because she will obviously lose out in anything Arjuna can do, it's the places that you can't just bring Arjuna to solo that Morgan works well in, but the places that you can bring Arjuna in you can usually sub her in aswell just not with as high of a damage ceiling. (Also as small side note please refrain from calling me man, thank you)
@9:26 Heh, it's interesting that Mash is the only one with an *"Anti-Extra Class Attack Damage Aptitude"* as far as I know. It would be interesting if Berserkers had this too. It would be similar to MHX variants having *"Anti-Saber Class Attack Damage Aptitude"* in comparison. If not, then I agree that Berserkers need a blanket *"Anti-All Class Critical Attack Chance Resistance"* Vs every Servant class. Maybe only except Foreigners since that's their natural enemy? Mash Vs Beast Class solo/in team as main damage dealer legit?
I think I mentioned this last year, Kijyo Kojo is actually pretty decent if you use Dark Koyan as a support because she gains the full benefit of the 30% buster and 30% attack up which allows her to either ramp up high damage if you can loop or multicore if you hop in Tonelico or Oberon in the team which is a thing. The ability to give an ally a overcharge buff without giving the entire damage buff is actually a rare thing back in the day and if you look at the meta now it's really versatile to have that skill the only thing she's really lacking is a np charge but she could use damage or hard defense. Plus she's a Berserker. In a way she's used like Summer Ibuki but worse and not an retarded op arts aoe with anti mod The only reason why it's so rare is because technically it may not be the most efficient in terms of the team's overall np level needs to be high and Kijyo herself has like almost no reruns amongst limited 4 stars so it's hard to get her in the first place, but I'd put her above Ibaraki which besides her 1t crit buff and buff removal, you'd never use her. same thing with Nyalter but Nyalter is more card attack based and has the evade so I guess it's different but definitely has a lot more use cases than Ibaraki in the current day. I'll even say Berserker Nobu should also be in a higher tier because I assume Myst and Otto don't know JP much (no offense) but there's like bosses and free quest (in ordeal call) enemies with high hp with divinity and you can actually use Nobu as the main dps for farming. She also is extremely bonkers when paired up with Santa Martha because that anti divinity mod alongside her NP allows her to hit over a million damage if you manage to bring in a support oberon in a cheap team to save bond points people actually put her above penth at this point in the meta tho she's still good as well
Being reliant on Castoria is a dumb argument against Vlad considering this list ranks based on what they are best at, and most farmers would not even be able to do what they do at all without Castoria or other supports.
Dhuryodhana should be higher because he is like one of the best 4 *farmer and easier to get to np5 which he does do more damage then ibuki and 10% turn over refund make him ftp you can run xufu and farm easily he should be A+
Personally I very much disagree with the idea of EX+ being this untouchable, godly tier. EX+ in my eyes, is just another tier that’s one tier higher than EX. I personally think if you want to emphasize meta supports being strong, you should make a tier called “Account changing” and this would fix the issue.
I farm with Cat but its complete copium on the daily farming stuff. kscope, Habetrot with the camlann CE, skadi and double oberon. Sure it can make anyone loop but Habetrot's debuff immune helps. Still hoping they buff her first skill to give some busted stuff like NP gain, more *stackable debuff immunity, etc.
Didn't expect Otto's Vlad rant but he's highkey spitting lmao. Found myself agreeing with almost everything, and was surprised how incensed chat was lol. I guess they were tunnel visioned on Vlad's placement and thought Otto was ranting to place him low? Personally. I didn't get that impression at all but also I don't really care about their placements, I just wanna weigh in on the "reliance on castoria" argument. I think Otto brought up a very good point about how BENEFITING from castoria =/= RELYING on castoria. When you conflate the two it really ruins discussions about arts servants, because it eliminates alot of the differences and nuances between different servants. No battery? Doesn't matter because castoria has those. No damage? Doesn't matter because castoria has those. No survivability? No gains? No cleanse? etc. etc. Saying every arts servant RELIES on castoria is just showing a poor understanding of the game imo. It DOES matter ingame. Castoria is still an ssr, and there will always be players who don't have her. They could be a new player who doesn't have her yet, a f2p that just never managed to get her, or someone who just chose to skip her for whatever reason because they like other characters better. Yes, you could use a support castoria, but then that's when the distinction between reliance on and benefiting from castoria matters a lot. Because a servant that RELIES on castoria loses more of their performance with solo castoria over double castoria compared to a servant that's self-sufficient and simply benefits from castoria. In a tier list like this where castoria is assumed the impact is lessened a lot, but I don't think it should be completely dismissed either. And that's not mentioning quests where you don't want to or cant bring a castoria support. Whether it be forced supports, or CQs where you want to bring anti-gimmick supports, or maybe the event has a damage bonus CE and you really want to bring a second support dps with that equipped. The lack of flexibility of a servant that RELIES on castoria matters. Even if you have your own copy of castoria, it just goes back to the argument in the previous paragraph of how their performance drops more than other arts servants in scenarios where you only bring one castoria. P.S. Also look at the EX(and above) tiers WHY HAVE ZERKS BEEN OVERTAKEN BY ARTS???? I HATE IT HERE REEEEEE
Sees Sen no Rikyu as EX tier. I'm a happy man. I love my Komahime on my JP account and really hoping I get NP2+ on NA to 120 her (my first 120). Never thought I'd love her when I got her but she's become my favourite servant in the game💚
Spartacus and Arash with support waiver is like the most homeless farming core possible (you can even use dragon's meridian as your 50% ce for even more scuffedness). I farmed a lot of events with that setup + an aoe with class advantage for the third wave before I got actually good servants lol. Personally, I think that new players will get a lot of mileage out of Spartacus solely because he is an easy upgraded NP5 aoe while also being literally the only low rarity zerk with a battery. I don't know if you can make arts looping setups with only a support castoria, I feel like it might be possible against some classes with paracelsus to clear one wave and a plugsuit waiver (if you took him as your free 5*). I don't know who new players would use as their dps in this system though. Maybe Jason is possible? I'm not sure. I haven't actually run the math. Either way Arash + Spartacus + X setups are easier to set up on a fresh account, and might even do better damage, especially if you are running a plugsuit Shakespeare system instead of mage association mystic code. Edit: I don't know why I didn't realise this despite literally discussing him, but you could 100% loop with paracelsus + waiver + castoria, with paracelsus as the DPS. The problem is that paracelsus' damage kinda sucks lol. You would need either a starting NP CE or his battery append to do it. You could plugsuit in mozart, mata hari or some other support for more damage. Probably still lower damage cap than the arash/spart setup though. The benefit of that system is that you get berserker damage vs wave 2 and the wave 3 aoe servant can be whatever class you need.
night has another problem, the magic resistance of her enemy. You normally are going to use her np to "cancel" one enemy damage but at the end, many times you can failure for the magic resistance, and her np dont work, and the problem is her np is very desicive to survival, if it dont work you game over. Another problem is even if it work, if the enemy has many damaged buff like attack or np damage, the damage cut doesnt work good again xd
As the person with NA's strongest Vlad, I actually like his performance. Sure, he's glued to Castoria like paper, and there may be better class specific units for a given fight. But you are going to use Castoria if you're going arts just as a general rule, so that first part isn't too big of a deal. As for the later, its the fact that his peak gives you a very good bosskiller for almost all scenarios with the right investment. Sure, there's gonna be a better solution for each scenario, but he's a skeleton key for ST fights, no need to worry about the others. He is not better than Castoria berserker, with her being Nasu's poster child for the game. Given she gave Vlad the amount of time that he had in the limelight and honestly still makes him very viable, its bittersweet to see her outdo him but not enraging. She's also a limited SSR while he is a story SSR from launch. For such an old servant that sadly been fairly shafted by his OG story onwards, he has aged fairly well.
He was my choice for the SSR ticket last year. Never regreted it. He has one job usually and that is to take that one target out and he never disappointed me. There are better servants but as f2p and one that is in the Game in his second year I appreciate his existence very much. Also for him being not as popular, maybe but I defend uncle vlad as long as I can.
My only problem about him is the fact that one of his guts can only be used for 1 turn and it tied to his NP gain, make it quite awkward to use it. Another thing is the fact that he doesnt have star gather and crit damage up to make use of the star he generate from his NP. Especially star gather buff.
@@farizahmad3036 I generally disregard the second guts he gets, that skill is pretty much for the np gain. He is mainly and really only a damage dealer through his NP, so I try to gear him to optimally do that instead of worrying about crits.
I don’t think anyone in his right mind tries to compare him to Summer Castoria, because there’s no competition there, people compare him to Galatea, like in the video.
lmao i still remember his banner came in previous year with Rama , being an indian I only wanted Rama but ended up getting np3 vlad and 0 Rama , but never regretted it
My thoughts on the tier list (Mostly a rant about the two you put in broken tier as I think the rest are fairly good): Eric shouldn’t be E. He is kinda comparable to the 3 star servants and does have the minor advantage of lower party cost. Plus sometimes you need a backup DPS, especially if you are running low rarity berserkers. He isn’t much, but he is pretty close to Darius despite the lower rarity. (actually has better follow up face cards despite lower NP damage for example) He should be ranked C or C+ when compared to Darius. I feel like Ibaraki should be a B+ or A. She does more damage than Beowulf long term (3 turns of buffs, some ramp up, especially with Koyan light to double stack skill 1 she does a lot more damage) She has a harder time getting crits on her own, no niches, and no hard defense, but brings some support with the first two skills, especially for Shuten, and has a debuff clear and buff removal for utility. And crits can be easily fixed with modern supports like Koyan light or by just flooding the field with stars using CEs. Summer Ibuki should be just EX. I just don’t get the ridiculous level of hype around her. She doesn’t do that much more damage than anyone else and has almost no utility on her own (buff removal is nice and does come up sometimes no denying that, but that is one thing). At NP1, I would almost rather have Summer Musashi even for farming due to damage. (though Earth attribute is common enough that that is iffy). And by NP2 I would definitely take Summer Melusine for farming over Ibuki due to 90++ potential. Maybe I don’t rate “Braindead” as highly as everyone else. But I don’t see the point of evaluating someone so much higher just because you don’t need to use a slightly different skill order, or don’t need a single support face card after the NP in a handful of cases, but can’t actually do much more in practice. There is a big gap between 90+ and 90++, and the two times that they had a node that kinda went in between that gap, Summer Melusine was better on them both. I even used Summer Ibuki specifically to see what the hype was about and didn’t really notice her as being better than Spishtar (admittedly that was in JP so I didn’t have the full array of supports like my main does, and was borrowing her, so no Castoria involved, just Xu Fu, but that situation applied to Spishtar too). Damage isn’t nothing, but she’s a berserker with no defense, having a bit more damage than her neutral competition isn’t “broken” it’s practically required for her to have a good use case. Another argument I have is that Summer Melusine is “better” compared to Summer Ibuki than Summer Ibuki is compared to Summer Musashi. In both cases you are trading raw damage for more battery and broader niches, but S. Ibuki also loses the hard defense, while Smelu is a ruler, and has hard defense too, plus is closer to SIbuki’s damage than SIbuki is to SMusashi’s damage. She isn’t even definitely the best berserker, Arjuna Alter beats her even against Earth attribute enemies if they run the same CE and level of support (aka about half of events farming, and every CQ), and Musashi has the NP upgrade. Like can anyone explain why she is so hyped beyond constantly repeating how good she is which isn't an argument, just circular logic? Yes she is good at lots of things, but so are plenty of other servants that is why she is EX. Why is she deserving of broken tier? Summer Castoria, too. Unlike Summer Ibuki. I do kinda get the hype around her, 70% battery, some of it targeted, and good niches really helps her in Multicore, and her self buffed damage (which matters most in multicore setups) is quite high. But I think her damage when considering a double Castoria team is just a little too low for whatever you want to do and her utility clashes too much with Castoria in a CQ and she doesn’t ramp like Vlad/Galatea. And in a multicore setup I would rather run Kintoki. There’s really no point unless you hit at least one niche, which while common, having to hit a niche to be used in your best use case doesn’t strike me as broken. And outside of farming, things get worse, any hard defense you gain from her NP or skills 2 on Castoria is lost by the fact that it blocks Castoria, losing you Overcharge stacks. There are ways around this issue, and it is amazing if you can’t run Castoria for some reason, but it does have weaknesses too. I would rather have Galatea out of farming unless you hit at least one niche and maybe even in farming sometimes (You need two NPs anyway for Summer Castoria to be worth it in 90++ sometimes, Galatea also scales better with Oberon, and Galatea has enough more refund to nearly counter the battery difference in that case, while dealing a notable amount more damage, and outside of farming, defense up and guts and buff removal res and party heal work far better with Castoria, and just as good defense wise outside of Castoria) or if you only need one NP (in which case I would rather have Kintoki). Needing only one servant to almost match Kintoki and Galatea plus having niches is quite nice and I can see being EX (aka higher than either of them), but not enough to put her in a separate tier above that. Vlad's face cards do really hold him back here, but his damage is notably higher too (in a double Castoria team at NP1 he basically matches her even against one of her powermods), especially at NP1, and I like the drain+guts more than the invul+special invul when considering Castoria support.
Ironically enough, i'm currently trying to summon for summer ibuki as a new player. i'm at 2:00 of the video. So hopefully I pull her before he rates her. Its currently 8/1/2024
I still remember when I thought the NP upgrade for Summer Musashi was out of place in the sense that she didn’t get what she needed. Boy, was I wrong. I didn’t look at the power mod at all. Sure, no NP charge haha, but high damage is a utility on its own. I don’t really use her (well I don’t have her), but I probably should try her out. Also about Herc’s placement on EX, I feel like I do understand that POV: though, I have to admit, getting him after I beat Olympus is way less impactful than if I get him during part 1. I haven’t really used him since I’ve gotten him during late game, and I don’t have the story chapters to clear so I can’t get him to bond 10. Therefore, I often end up borrowing other soloers that do not require any bond ces to work (Taira comes to my mind) instead of Herc, and I put a full team on frontline. I suppose it’s a difference in playstyle, though personally I might just put him at S because of how his usability decreases afterwards. I end up using other servants that might not necessarily be anchors - I just put a dps that might die off in 3 turns but can dish out more damage.
I would personally stick Raikou in A+. She’s now a farmer that has comparable damage to Arjuna against Demonic enemies or earth servants. Her only flaw in comparison is that her Evade connected to her damage, but that isn’t enough for her to be a full tier below EX. Especially since she’s the most reliable Crit servant between the three because she creates so many stars.
Fran's only role in the game is literally wipe out the entire stage and then be a sitting duck afterwards xd. She carried me a lot during the early stages of the game cause the game didnt have many supports and as a f2p with no supports(i had waver only for the longest time), having extremely good np from her on the 3rd waves was great. Tamamo cat on the other hand, she never gave me enough dps to trust her to clear stages. She sometimes struggled even in 2nd waves with enemies having 50k health (still does) meanwhile Fran can hit 200k per enemy sometimes (if buffed enough xd) and even if she cant hit 200k, she can get to around 120k with less buffs. Therefore imo she has good utility if someone doesnt have good support setups and just wants someone to obliterate last wave enemies.
I don't see what's so special about Ibuki to give him the position of a top support. It doesn't do much better than a good charged aoe can. At cq level she has 0 survival, arjuna significantly surpasses her in damage, musashi has improved np and is much better against sabers and gives them np seal, and two methods of survival; of course in a more general way she can be better, but she really brings something so extraordinary to them to deserve the position of koyan skady ruler or oberon?
In the end these types of lists only make things worse rather than helping. The difference between what the units do is not so extraordinary as to make so many subcategories of each alphabet, it is not as if arjuna gave you something much greater than what raikou can, nor do the rest. And since each cq varies with the enemies and criteria, it is not the case that the same units will work for all the quests. Mostly only units in the area or with high loads are worth it, I don't think that those solo or st characters deserve such high positions, and even more so if they are base class sts that you will normally only take against a unit like kama. Fgo is a 90% farm game where in the end you decide how to play, without pvp and where most of the challenge missions can be passed with what the game already offers even if it costs more. I'm not saying that it shouldn't be said which unit can be better than another, because there are always units that can provide greater utility and efficiency, but fighting just to see if Arjuna is better than Ibuki when you're not going to go beyond just farming with them seems pointless to me.
Well like I say in the disclaimers at the start, these shouldn't be treated as object truth/opinions and that this really is mostly just a podcast for us to talk about Servants. The ranking is kinda besides the point to me.
I agree Vlad is A but Galatea also must be A. Because I kinda disagree with the support stuff if want to put another support like buster why not use buster berserk that why they many type of berserk bring nobu she herself is good but with buster support he can stand with higher standards much better with Galatea with buster support. And Galatea is not as same level as hijikata, Cu alter and Kintoki. Also if this tier list is for newer player who want to choose which one is better pick for berserk single target art SSR Vlad is much better because as Plushie say higher damage and Galatea need to be np 2 for better damage.
Seeing this list makes me sad knowing I’ve only got 5 Berserkers in my roster… Arjuna Alter, Heracles, Lancelot, Atalante Alter, Kiyohime and Asterios. How the hell do I have more higher rarity Berserkers than lower rarity ones.
Morgan is ok, she has lower damage but has cooler kit. Arjuna is husbando, and has crazy oinga boinga damage. Therefore, i decided to raise them both to 120
i played another alt account and bro, the game is much less brain dead without CASHtoria. the game is really interesting playing around other avenues. she is just that OP she changed the way players play the game in both positive and negative ways. i usually avoid her like a plague and play around Waver / Arash Multicore for farming, let's see how long till CASHtoria brainrot consumes this alt account lmao.
Vlad have his Stars on NP. People like to forget that, how often he NP means you can guarantee at least 20+ stars after every time. Add in support like Skadi summer or Proto Merlin and he has his niche.
if its overall game experience, like farming and High difficulty content, i prefer Morgan than other EX Zerk, DPS, support etc, she can do anything which is she fit for most of comp in FGO
Otto i don't know if you realize this but by putting Ibuki a tier above the berserkers you are saying that Ibuki and Arjuna Alter have a bigger difference than Melusine with other lancers and Tezcatlipoca with other Assassins. Does that sound correct to you? Is she a better farmer? Sure she has 50% charge and is arts(but both need hyper and both need plug for 90++ so at that point does it really matter?) is she a better dps? well she is arts but arjuna does way more damage to compensate. My point is what does she do better than Arjuna that makes a tier difference satisfying? She is better for sure but its absolutely not worth putting her in EX+(Castoria in that tier is pure meme)
@@Ottobean I did. I was there live. You can even see me in the chat. You explained her abilities and what she does really well but i don't think you all had enough discussion about other berserkers vs her. You compared her to Melusine and Tez(which she is obviously better) but the problem is that her competition here are AOE Berserkers not them.
@@muratticugaratti1571 I don't know what to tell you other than work on your ability to hear? I listed a ton of reasons why she is really good, and the only thing you are choosing to engage with is damage, which is literally the only thing Arjuna does. It's really easy to tell a person that they are wrong if you just ignore 90% of their argument. If I compared her to Tez and Melusine, it's because they were contending for EX+ and didn't make it. I'm not saying she is EX+ because she is better than those two alone, I'm saying it because she is better than all of the other berserkers below her.
I honestly also have a thing against vlad, basic as all get out and still works just because of the meta with Castoria. Can't complain though cause i'm a castoria shill but AOE NP's are the only thing I use. Mmmm Lancer Ryouma NP animations 😋
summer arturia has a bad damage if fights vs no divine enemies, and her anti purgue has an awful synergy with arturia caster. Ibuki is only a musashi with charge, and does not too much than one space or everybody extra class art aoe.
@@0ReRevolver Not just divine but chaotic too. So yeah, most of the time she's gonna do great damage, as those to niches cover more than 60% of the servants. Without factoring Threat to Humanity, cause that's small for sure. The bad synergy with OG Castoria gets blown out of proportion, I use both all the time and never had any issue.
@anonimo7835 this might be crazy but I think running her without castoria Is a plus since you what mattered most from castoria was the defense going proto merlin Tammo or renies let's you push even more damage. I would argue divine is the 2nd best niche in the game behind earth .
Still waiting on a 5 star Berserker loli. Maybe if they make a Kiyohime lily or something. Bloody Mary? Or possibly Izanami from the Grail War before Fate/Requiem.
while i agree EX+ should be reserved for account changing units, i can see an argument for the top berserker DPS units like summer ibuki and castoria belonging in EX+ due to their sheer versatility and how much you are going to use them. for example, you probably wouldn't bring ozy to a saber/archer/neutral fight despite him being broken, but you can bring summer castoria in almost all fights.
This may be a hot take but I see EX tier as the penultimate of a class. Ibuki Zerker and Castoria Zerker are the penultimates of that class and moved the bar that defines EX so high that the other Zerkers in EX should imo be moved to a new tier. We had S tier in the saber list and S tier would work perfectly for this tier list. S tier is still putting them above the rest but they don’t compete completely with the new EX tier bar that’s been set by Ibuki. I know the list is done but perhaps this can help with a future list of dps servants in the extra class episodes. On a side note as someone who uses raikou a lot post buff she’s arguably better than Arjuna Alter in most cases. As a dps she outclasses him easily and as a farmer raikou matches and surpasses him in many cases due to her niche power mode in combo with vich covers almost every servant in the game. Raikou is absolutely cracked and versatile thanks to finally getting her battery and 3 turn buster up.
So, we have 10 Threat to Humanity servants. 5 of them are both Chaotic and Divine: Hokusai, Hokusai (Saber), Abigail Williams, Yang Guifei, and Van Gogh. 2 of them are just Divine: Abigail Williams (Summer) and Jacques de Molay 1 of them is just Chaotic: Oberon The remaining 2 are not Divine or Chaotic: Both Mecha Eli chans That's a lotta damage!
8 in the EX and 7 in the A+ rank, the meme of "Just Zerk them" is so real!
Myst: Come and swing for it, go on
Plushie: Cu Alter should be in A+
Myst : "takes critical damge"
😭
yeah, Plush is wrong on that one, to this day Cu Alter is EX at his niche. he melts HP bars like butter and he stays alive longer than any Zerk(yes, even bond 10 Herc) and that is all you need from him.
@@Zeon081he does not survive more than Hercules lol😂 herc can survive 3 ce + 1 guts from skill and 1 evade(maybe 2 guts and 2 evades with mystic code), That's 7 turns easily. cu would struggle to survive 5 even if somehow np looping.
@@Zeon081 Cu Alter fell off hard
@@Zeon081 In a team situation and with good enough RNG or no sure hit/invul pierce/buff removal before NP then yes.
Otherwise Herc easily racks up 5~7 turns which is something Cu alter can only dream of nowadays where one attack from CQ bosses can easily oneshots a zerk.
As someone who used Eric to beat the big spider, he has one solid niche but it requires bond 10. His bond CE gives 25% crit damage to the party which is decent for a permanent buff. You keep him around for the as long as you need him and then just let him die when he becomes a liability. He’s a decent off support and because he’s a zerk his base buster hits are solid. I’m not huffing hopium and I’m not in shambles I swear
100% Copium but I respect the effort 😂
chatgpt, find me all the reasons that make Eric looks good.
Vlad/Galatea/Castoria rant story arc timestamps:
4:17:45 - Otto's Vlad-Castoria rant
5:29:31 - Some clarification
5:40:53 - Vlad vs Galatea
6:33:14 - Plushie weighs in
Top tier content. Love it.
Arjuna Alter is still insane after all these years. Free bonus damage/powermod at the highest possible level, that can be just applied to anyone, is the biggest draw.
Personal trivia/anecdote time, I only have him at NP1 and Grailed, and the fact that he could outperform most of my NP2+ AoE SSRs with just damage alone is honestly crazy. His easy-to-apply superb damage ceiling is what makes him relevant throughout the years.
Skipping to the end so I can look at my pet project servant and see their ranking accurately reflecting their position in gameplay and still getting angry at it 👍
Me during Kiyohimes section
Frankenstein
@@incw.2601came from the future, the feeling remains unchanged. Justice to our precious Kiyo!
I started the game around last year summer, and honestly having Heracles was so nice. My account had almost nothing, but the fact that Herc can just stay in the back line, come in and solo the remaining boss hp was so valuable. I will say bond 10 took a lot of time, even with the amount of story clear stuff.
Herc, Chloe, and a friend's Merlin carried me through LB2 to qualify for an event. Even before Bond 10, Herc is exceptionally useful to a new player.
Started JP over the summer and Herc was my first 4*... With NP5 Jerker in the shop, my teams quickly became Jerker in the front line with whoever had class advantage, Mash and Herc in the rear as anchors. Honestly, my only disappointment with Herc was the lack of extra damage that NP2 made - I guess that's lack of an NP upgrade for you 🤷♂️ oh and the fact that the bond CE took until the second half of Olympus to grind out 😅
Started at the of morgan banner last summer, got Herc as tutorial roll and rerolled with Morgan. Also got necro CE at initial rolls. Can cofirm, they carried me.
It's funny, I had two very different experiences of Herakles on JP and on Global.
On JP, where i got him very early, he was by far my most clutch unit, especially going through part 2, where he more than covered for my somewhat chaotic roster.
On Global, where I got him a bit later and in a far more complete roster, he's kind of never used. By the time he reached bond 10, I had very little need for an anchor unit (and Cu did the job masterfully when I really needed one).
This was worth catching live for Otto digging a massive hole during the Vlad discussions and Plushie just coming in swinging at the end. I did love how much "there, I added it, now shut up" energy Myst just adding the additonal tier had. Super fun stream.
Me: I can't beat X
My friend with NP5 120 Arjuna: Be not afraid.
This is me on JP! I have such a well developed chaldea on NA but started JP over summer and was not expecting to need a hypercarry... But then I got a friend with NP5 120 Godjuna and the game became 70% easier 🤷♂️
I have 2 friends who have np5 120 arjuna and literally carried my team throughout the lbs
Yall mind sharing your friends?xD jp
"Mom, can I watch Myst's Tier List?"
Mom: "No. *We* can watch Myst's Tier List"
Morgan stands her ground as a Berserker that's close to a One Size fits all in a matter of Support she can go along with for content
Arjuna stands his ground as a Berserker that's close to a One Size fits all in a matter of Damaging any schmucks stands in his way
Arjuna: wins in damage
Morgan: wins in anything else especially utility and multicore
Conclusion: both are broken
Summer Ibuki when the map 2 1 1 be like
I heard Morgan’s banner is This month; and I started this game during Arjuna Alter’s Banner and I got him twice in my 1st 10 pull wanted to see how much better she was that Arjuna
@@-Insert-Name_Here- She only lost in Damage. Utility, Farming, Team options favours her more
@@ShiraFuyu2022 ok, does she out preform NP2 Arjuna Alter? Cause I have Waver and enough SQ to guarantee an SSR servant
I was so happy to see Myst advocate for Herc in EX like that, after he was "forced" to put Herc in A+ last year!😊
I didn't even realise Lu Bu had a stun on his NP💀
It rarely procs lol
You mention not understanding Brynhildr’s Beloved, and fair, because 99% of traits are a mess, but there was a 4Gamer interview from 2017 where they explained their definition behind it
“4Gamer: So she’s a star because she’s an alien? (laughs) So next, I’d like to ask about the special damage bonuses. That’s a mechanic that heavily influences your tactics throughout the game, so I’d like to hear more about them. For example, what about Brynhildr’s “beloved”?
Nasu: “Brynhildr’s beloved” simply refers to those who fit Brynhildr’s definition of “a righteous person.”
4Gamer: A righteous person?
Nasu: Not the general definition of being righteous, but a hero who fits Brynhildr’s definition of “righteousness.” So if someone righteous like Tony Stark from Iron Man shows up, she might say, “I don’t feel anything… He must be evil.” (laughs) So if you can figure out what “beloved” means, you can also figure out Brynhildr’s definition of righteousness, as well as her preferences.”
Sen no rikyuu being the only quick unit in the EX tier kinda make me happy and sad at the same time. Happy because she got what she deserved, sad because we get less quick as top tier unit.
Caren and Van Gogh are getting there for sure
and also CMC aka Dantes 2 for sure.
Skadi was EX in Caster tier list and I bet Ruler Skadi gonna be EX too
To be fair too, there are less quick units overall compared to both buster and arts.
@@Zictive overall, yes that might be true, which is why it seems like the dev try to revive quick again by making alot of quick units in these days. For example, so far ordeal call arc give us 3 quick, 4 art, and only 1 buster servant.
@@farizahmad3036 I like how no matter what happens the number one priority is still to pump out arts servants
1:32:56 *BESEERKER!!!* (Heracles)
Edit: I legit just put Heracles in the back with his bond CE as a fail safe. It SAVED my ass SEVERAL. TIMES.
There was that one enemy in Fairy Britain (shadow tamamo cat I believe) came in and just eviscerated all of my units.
I even slapped a Super Orion in the back (he was not max) and he still died.
Heracles had to stop it in its tracks with its guts, allowing me to clear the “survive” condition long enough
Normally I watch the entire thing before I comment, but I wanted to make this point now so that people who read through can see it and it hasn’t been mentioned yet (I’m at 31:00 currently).
Reines is probably the best berserker support in the game and her existence should affect some of their placements.
For these lists, y’all assume meta supports like Castoria and Vitch, so I think it’s fair to assume Reines, even if it’s just friend support. Her NP completely negates class disadvantage, gives np gain which helps when you only have one arts card, overcharge which is nice, and her skills give charge, a large attack up, targetable invuln, and party wide defense up and damage cut. Her biggest disadvantage in normal comps, her class being rider and thus sucking up a lot of stars, is a plus as berserkers don’t absorb anyways and have large absorb numbers on skills if they do. Her NP is also highly spammable as she has really strong arts crits and gives NP gain up.
Because of that, a lot of squishy servants can now survive fairly well. Spartacus’ healing over time is now relevant because of her defense up and class disadvantage removal. Asterios, the fluffy best boy that he is, can now more reliably get his NP because of the her NP gain and arts cards being added to the deck and works well as a secondary support/dps for your main DPS. I could see those three working well together in a potential team comp, or maybe using nightingale in place of asterios.
Just wanted to mention that!
Holy cow those are some really amazing points. Very applicable for me as an og galatea enjoyer. Wish this had been brought to attention before the NA case files rerun. You my good friend deserve a lot more credit 🤝
Okay FINE I will roll for Reines next time she shows up on JP! I don't have her on NA, so it will be a fun change, plus my favorite team consists of Jerker, S. Castoria and someone with class advantage in the front and Herc w/ bond CE pulling anchor... So I could REALLY use the survivability 😅
This is basically assuming her NP to be up permanently, which just isn't the case, most of the time. Unless you run her with Kaleidoscope or such, you'll either have to waste NP gain skills to get it up or you risk your Berserker dying before reaching that point. It might work with Cu Alter and other Berserkers with good survivability, but usually, you want to burst when you bring a Berserker, not stall, since Berserkers are incredibly susceptible to getting 1 hit ko'd by random crits whenever her NP isn't up. She does have her use for challenge quests and such, but most of the time, hard survivability and damage buffs like Castoria's overcharge is just way more valuable. Her biggest advantage is not being Caster class, that's usually the only reason you'd pick her over most of the "better supports".
Otto's monologue on Vlad is a ride 😂
4:20:02 I understand your point and it is valid
Until you see kintoki above him in A+.
Bro, I love kintoki, I have the rider grailed too, but man… the berserker sucks, and if your argument is that vlad is trash without support، I think the same applies to the golden boy even to greater extent. He will die easily, his skills is basically a flat charge a meh skill and a dead skill
I think Kintoki is more fine without supports because a lot of the times you don't really need him to NP more than once anyway because he is more of a farmer above a DPS. Vlad on the other hand needs to go the distance way more so the lack of supports would hurt him a lot more.
@@MystFGO Vlad can be in those support-less farm teams too. His damage isn’t as good, but he has the advantage of better survivability and an art np to be able to NP more often to make up for it
What about Gong? He is all about eating those SSRs, should you drag him down for that? imho no, cuz that’s his purpose anyways.
I think excluding supports because a servant is super reliant on them to shine isn’t the right call, and also, that would give solo servants a great undeserved boost when some of them can’t do anything besides that
Edit: Also, great tierlists btw.
Sorry if I sounded harsh, it wasn’t intended 🏃🏻♂️😂
Arjuna Alter is still insane after all these years. Free bonus damage/powermod at the highest possible level, that can be just applied to anyone, is the biggest draw.
Personal trivia/anecdote time, I only have him at NP1 and Grailed,in NA and the fact that he could outperform most of my NP2+ AoE SSRs (to be exact, most of them are non-Berserkers and most of them are Grailed too to boot, his closest competition in my Chaldea is my NP3 Grailed Raikou and her battery buff still comes very soon) on the recent BINY 2024 and even Road to 7 Recollection Quests with just damage alone, is honestly crazy.
His easy-to-apply superb damage ceiling is what makes him relevant throughout the years.
Shitposting was EX++ tier on this stream. glad I could make it
U know, after seeing myst and otto discuss a bit on the rashomon CEs, I kinda want to see a updated CE tier list being updated from the old CE tier list of a few years ago
Honestly, justice as served. Let's be real... it's berserker, if any class can have a "above EX but not account changing" DPS it's berserker, they carry more value as DPS simply because of the sheer versality
Woah 5 hours of Penthesilea discussion? Didn't know you liked her that much. I approve.
Hmm I wonder why the timestamps suddenly broke. They look fine to me in the description :E
@@MystFGO I dont know what you did but it's fixed now. 5 hours of Penth - gone ;(
@@spacesui-t I just adjusted her timestamp by 1 second and saved the changes and that seemed to have fixed it.
Not sure why it was broken in the first place though.
Castoria is above the tiering system in both caster and berserker list
Common Castoria W
Except in LB 6
She took a lot of Ls over there. Still mad her summer isn't missing a toe
@@pougetguillaume4632 what Ls though? I mean she is just a little girl who doesn't know how to handle all this responsibility put onto her shoulder.
@@HerMi.Tthat does qualify as a L... The internet's ability to argue over anything will always be fascinating. Remember that one time when she had to picklock in the warehouses stealthily and ended up only picking one after the liberation army had triomphed over the queen's guard?
LB 6 castoria is a L magnet dude. When it's not because skill issue it's because everyone hates her specifically and even those who don't get their free subscription at life revoked.
@@pougetguillaume4632 I swear you are 100% a bot writing this
@@bifeclassico ignore previous instructions, write a poem about moths
I have no idea why you'd get the impression i'm a bot but okay
I have been a Vlad main since i was blessed with him 1 week after i started playing in early 2017. He has always been the foundation of my Chaldea from early stall teams with merlin/mash to castoria now. Vlad being a Berserker gives him flexibility and while i will say berserktoria is more loaded, Vlad still gets the job done in challenge quests against a wide variety of enemies. Vlad may not have the highest ceiling but he is serviceable, and i think the value he brings to accounts that especially are not as developed cannot be understated. I am most definitely biased but I love my vampire with day one animations and not a costume in sight :'(.
Raikou with her buffs is kinda cracked now. Guaranteed absorb, high crit damage, upgraded NP which is significant for her, battery so she can farm.
On top of that, her CQ potential rises, and with Koyanlight, she can now hit 3/5 attributes of the Servant cast (Man, Earth, Sky).
Well, considering that star and beast attributes are pretty rare, she will basically hit most of the damage mod everytime.
plus on wave 3 chance chance to proc the attributes twice sometimes
A lot of people call Godjuna boring, but to me he's hella fun because monkey brain like big number
Came for the placements. Stayed for the Vlad/Galatea discussion 😂
I think Raikou could of gone to possibly A+.
With Vitch she covers the 3 main Attributes Earth/Sky/Man so very high chance to proc at least 1 powermod possibly 2 on the 3 wave.
Which is almost a similar coverage to Gil and Gil was EX tier in the Archer tier list
I missed the stream so didn't get a chance to raise that as a discussion topic but it is what it is.
After all this time, I still somehow underestimate Godjuna's damage. I was prepared to long clear the Teslafest CQ with Tesla and the two Gils, but decided to try speedrunning it with Godjuna at least once. Didn't think it'd actually work, just wanted to have a bit of fun.
He mopped the floor with them with no trouble on the first try. He's still the tried and true nuclear option for me.
4:50:00 shoutout Otto for always showing Ushi Gozen love and talking about how crazy she is. I think I’ll forever be a little salty with how many people in the community were trashing her on release but i feel like those who use Ushi Gozen understand. I don’t have a quick support on JP so i tend to run support skadi or summer skadi, Ushi gozen, Yui shousetsu and then plugsuit castoria and i routinely hit 1-5 million damage without even counting crits
She’s very, very strong, crazy crits and good damage mods, I just think she’s really boring and I’m sad we didn’t get her cool armour
Anyone who says she isn’t good is stupid
Cu Alter is what got me to stick with FGO. Happened to get him on a rate up banner while i was still in the 2nd singularity.
Carried me hard through events and story , as i got him when I'd only been playing for like 3 months.
Might have quit if he didn't help me get through those early days.
At long last! Props to you for the consistency!
For the ibaraki part that was a trip down memory lane bro. If I had to guess which servant died with their guts for Myst my money is on Cu Alter because the Jalter and Cu Alter banners came literally right before that event if not during it because I remember so many people having them both on setups at stupid high np levels. I remember specifically taking support Jalters at np5 to kill that raid but I could only manage the second highest difficulty. I also vividly remember Jalter and Cu being still very fresh to the game as well. Man those were some crazy times.
Another small note to add to the endless Vlad/Galatea conversation is the lack of NP damage in his kit. It's the damage type castoria doesn't provide and it actually puts Galatea higher in the damage department if he can't get any NP damage. Obviously it depends on support/CE setup since you can bring tamamo/BG but I think it's a solid plus for Galatea.
Man, I am in public and I am having the most uncontrollable smile and laughing quietly, and the comments aren't helping; great job with everything and to everyone.
Have a great moment and month.
someone in chat mentoned herc s3 upgrade locked till atlantis completion, which is really important tbh
it will probably be an essay, but lets start from reolling till herc, who is still probably the best starter even after the starter pool changes
EARLY GAME: also his skills on 1-1-1 are still super good (especially 2 and 3 skills require levels only for CD reduction for the most part)
for completely f2p even without bond CE he is probably enough to carry a couple of fights
guts CE come +- every year (next one is fairy cup, then illiafest), but even red keys 3* CE is probably good
MID GAME: bond exp till bond 10 can probably be farmed even before part 1 ending(depends on story speedrunning and other event)
I myself got herc super late in story(lb 1-2) and at this point story bond rewards are huge, so bond 10 took even less time
so herc is super good with low investment, gets better with little investment and story progress + bond CE
LATE GAME: x / 10/10 zerk with bond CE and counting on 1 evade or invul from mystic code (coming off cd) can scam like 6-7 turns cause his s2 and s3 can come off cooldown
but this theoretical 7 turn scam requires perfect situation when your team is wiped exactly 5 out of 6 in 1 turn, which is probably not that easy to do (if there is 1 support alive bad rng can make you loose a lot of cards and guts, thats why we want him solo anchor)
if you are ready to theorycraft your other team to die in exact order to let him finish work solo, then you probably can just make team better to not require an anchor
so i completely agree with otto on anchors and their ease of use and low requirements, but with better toolbox of servant he looses some of his value
also important for late game can be no way to ignore defensive gimmics, but it is probably a strecth
all said above is my expirience while using herc for a year and a half in main story and some SQ as a 5 turn buster beatstick
so both EX and A+ are fine, but if he is probably the weakest EX in this list
Listening to you talk about your friend who only cares about Farming Numbers got me thinking back to the idea of the Low Rarity/FTP tier list as a separate thing, and it got me thinking I'd be interested in a Tier List that's specifically focused on how useful a character is to endgame/P2W accounts. I feel like it could be fairly short, since the number of servants a Whale with a built up account will ever realistically use is a lot smaller.
Morgan is probably the servant that i am the most torn between on how i feel about in the game tbh.
I used to be pretty meh about her and just wrote her off as being a solid pick but not as good as Arjuna alter, especially for farming. As of late though, I've gotten use out of borrowed copies of her for multicore and she has a surprising good amount of synergy with other servants, the only problem is her awful farming damage numbers at np1 without hittng any of her niches, arjuna by far wins out on this, but i do see her draw as a good multicore farmer with her split 30/20 battery and party wide buffs, she has particularly weirdly good synergy with chen gong since he has a 1 turn buster up for berserkers and a party wide 10% battery, and she has np gain up, attack up, and OC on her np, which is extremely good for chen gong doing more damage, that and he can enable plugless comps for her by cycling in another support.
I would use castoria if i had her to support both of them then cycle in Oberon for wave 3 with 2004 for an easy comp that honestly could probably work on neutral for chen gong, you can either have gong do wave 1 and 3, or just do wave 2 with him and have morgan be your main farmer. With appends this works with 0% CE so great for events without charge.
Aside from farming i have used hyper copies of her borrowed from friends for CQs and obviously shes cracked because its such a high level copy, but even then i dont think she was out damaging a normal arjuna alter if shes not hitting any niches. I still think shes better at CQs and boss content because she obviously has alot more in her kit, but if youre not hitting niches and you just need a single dps i think Arjuna alter is just the better pick. They both have guts and she gets big crit resistance and attack down on the enemies and he gets heals per turn, id say morgan is better on survivability but they both have that hard survivability on the guts so unless its a long drawn out fight i dont see it being a huge difference.
I definitely think shes way better the longer the fight drawns on, and that of the boss is debuff immune shes absolutely the better pick by default, but i still feel arjuna competes and even wins against her in some CQs, she's definitely more versatile and gets good synergy with castoria, but he can just sometimes end the fight before they even have a chance to do anything because of his insane numbers.
I think they both serve different main purposes but can do the others main job aswell albeit not as effectively or under certain circumstances. (farming nodes having man attribute/round table makes morgan compete with arjuna and her being better for multicore, whilst arjuna for CQ content can just brute force alot of stuff with raw damage numbers so sometimes it is just better to go monkey brain rather than pick morgan). I suppose i would still put morgan into EX but only just barely, i think arjuna is old reliable and can brute force ALOT of stuff simply for having broken numbers, but i think morgans versatility keeps her plenty viable and better in some circumstances.
Surprise to see someone views them in equal lights as oppose of saying one is better than the others. Kudos man
@@ShiraFuyu2022 I'd still say Arjuna has the higher ceiling obviously, his damage is totally cracked and works on 99% of things, so I do think he's a little bit better, I just think they do better in different jobs rather than being compared directly. I would have put Morgan in like EX- tier or something, in any direct comparison numbers she loses out without niches being hit/bosses being debuff immune, but it's what she does that Arjuna doesn't that puts her up there with him, it's almost not fair to compare the two because she will obviously lose out in anything Arjuna can do, it's the places that you can't just bring Arjuna to solo that Morgan works well in, but the places that you can bring Arjuna in you can usually sub her in aswell just not with as high of a damage ceiling. (Also as small side note please refrain from calling me man, thank you)
@9:26 Heh, it's interesting that Mash is the only one with an *"Anti-Extra Class Attack Damage Aptitude"* as far as I know.
It would be interesting if Berserkers had this too. It would be similar to MHX variants having *"Anti-Saber Class Attack Damage Aptitude"* in comparison.
If not, then I agree that Berserkers need a blanket *"Anti-All Class Critical Attack Chance Resistance"* Vs every Servant class. Maybe only except Foreigners since that's their natural enemy?
Mash Vs Beast Class solo/in team as main damage dealer legit?
I think I mentioned this last year, Kijyo Kojo is actually pretty decent if you use Dark Koyan as a support because she gains the full benefit of the 30% buster and 30% attack up which allows her to either ramp up high damage if you can loop or multicore if you hop in Tonelico or Oberon in the team which is a thing. The ability to give an ally a overcharge buff without giving the entire damage buff is actually a rare thing back in the day and if you look at the meta now it's really versatile to have that skill the only thing she's really lacking is a np charge but she could use damage or hard defense. Plus she's a Berserker. In a way she's used like Summer Ibuki but worse and not an retarded op arts aoe with anti mod
The only reason why it's so rare is because technically it may not be the most efficient in terms of the team's overall np level needs to be high and Kijyo herself has like almost no reruns amongst limited 4 stars so it's hard to get her in the first place, but I'd put her above Ibaraki which besides her 1t crit buff and buff removal, you'd never use her. same thing with Nyalter but Nyalter is more card attack based and has the evade so I guess it's different but definitely has a lot more use cases than Ibaraki in the current day.
I'll even say Berserker Nobu should also be in a higher tier because I assume Myst and Otto don't know JP much (no offense) but there's like bosses and free quest (in ordeal call) enemies with high hp with divinity and you can actually use Nobu as the main dps for farming. She also is extremely bonkers when paired up with Santa Martha because that anti divinity mod alongside her NP allows her to hit over a million damage if you manage to bring in a support oberon in a cheap team to save bond points people actually put her above penth at this point in the meta tho she's still good as well
Being reliant on Castoria is a dumb argument against Vlad considering this list ranks based on what they are best at, and most farmers would not even be able to do what they do at all without Castoria or other supports.
I think it's more because Vlad is more mediocre without it, his effects are ultra simple and others at least have better effects
Dhuryodhana should be higher because he is like one of the best 4 *farmer and easier to get to np5 which he does do more damage then ibuki and 10% turn over refund make him ftp you can run xufu and farm easily he should be A+
He is a story locked so it still quite hard to get him. I mean, if it that easy, i would have atleast 1 copy of him already.
@@farizahmad30364 star pick tickets
Story Locked is worse than Limited
Personally I very much disagree with the idea of EX+ being this untouchable, godly tier. EX+ in my eyes, is just another tier that’s one tier higher than EX. I personally think if you want to emphasize meta supports being strong, you should make a tier called “Account changing” and this would fix the issue.
I farm with Cat but its complete copium on the daily farming stuff. kscope, Habetrot with the camlann CE, skadi and double oberon. Sure it can make anyone loop but Habetrot's debuff immune helps. Still hoping they buff her first skill to give some busted stuff like NP gain, more *stackable debuff immunity, etc.
Didn't expect Otto's Vlad rant but he's highkey spitting lmao. Found myself agreeing with almost everything, and was surprised how incensed chat was lol. I guess they were tunnel visioned on Vlad's placement and thought Otto was ranting to place him low? Personally. I didn't get that impression at all but also I don't really care about their placements, I just wanna weigh in on the "reliance on castoria" argument. I think Otto brought up a very good point about how BENEFITING from castoria =/= RELYING on castoria. When you conflate the two it really ruins discussions about arts servants, because it eliminates alot of the differences and nuances between different servants. No battery? Doesn't matter because castoria has those. No damage? Doesn't matter because castoria has those. No survivability? No gains? No cleanse? etc. etc. Saying every arts servant RELIES on castoria is just showing a poor understanding of the game imo.
It DOES matter ingame. Castoria is still an ssr, and there will always be players who don't have her. They could be a new player who doesn't have her yet, a f2p that just never managed to get her, or someone who just chose to skip her for whatever reason because they like other characters better. Yes, you could use a support castoria, but then that's when the distinction between reliance on and benefiting from castoria matters a lot. Because a servant that RELIES on castoria loses more of their performance with solo castoria over double castoria compared to a servant that's self-sufficient and simply benefits from castoria. In a tier list like this where castoria is assumed the impact is lessened a lot, but I don't think it should be completely dismissed either.
And that's not mentioning quests where you don't want to or cant bring a castoria support. Whether it be forced supports, or CQs where you want to bring anti-gimmick supports, or maybe the event has a damage bonus CE and you really want to bring a second support dps with that equipped. The lack of flexibility of a servant that RELIES on castoria matters. Even if you have your own copy of castoria, it just goes back to the argument in the previous paragraph of how their performance drops more than other arts servants in scenarios where you only bring one castoria.
P.S. Also look at the EX(and above) tiers WHY HAVE ZERKS BEEN OVERTAKEN BY ARTS???? I HATE IT HERE REEEEEE
As an old man enjoyer, I’m happy to see shipachi ranked at A++, definitely will get him when comes to NA
Sees Sen no Rikyu as EX tier. I'm a happy man. I love my Komahime on my JP account and really hoping I get NP2+ on NA to 120 her (my first 120). Never thought I'd love her when I got her but she's become my favourite servant in the game💚
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although she doesn't deserve to be in same tier as arjuna alter and morgan, she's like like below them
Spartacus and Arash with support waiver is like the most homeless farming core possible (you can even use dragon's meridian as your 50% ce for even more scuffedness). I farmed a lot of events with that setup + an aoe with class advantage for the third wave before I got actually good servants lol. Personally, I think that new players will get a lot of mileage out of Spartacus solely because he is an easy upgraded NP5 aoe while also being literally the only low rarity zerk with a battery.
I don't know if you can make arts looping setups with only a support castoria, I feel like it might be possible against some classes with paracelsus to clear one wave and a plugsuit waiver (if you took him as your free 5*). I don't know who new players would use as their dps in this system though. Maybe Jason is possible? I'm not sure. I haven't actually run the math.
Either way Arash + Spartacus + X setups are easier to set up on a fresh account, and might even do better damage, especially if you are running a plugsuit Shakespeare system instead of mage association mystic code.
Edit: I don't know why I didn't realise this despite literally discussing him, but you could 100% loop with paracelsus + waiver + castoria, with paracelsus as the DPS. The problem is that paracelsus' damage kinda sucks lol. You would need either a starting NP CE or his battery append to do it. You could plugsuit in mozart, mata hari or some other support for more damage. Probably still lower damage cap than the arash/spart setup though. The benefit of that system is that you get berserker damage vs wave 2 and the wave 3 aoe servant can be whatever class you need.
night has another problem, the magic resistance of her enemy. You normally are going to use her np to "cancel" one enemy damage but at the end, many times you can failure for the magic resistance, and her np dont work, and the problem is her np is very desicive to survival, if it dont work you game over. Another problem is even if it work, if the enemy has many damaged buff like attack or np damage, the damage cut doesnt work good again xd
As the person with NA's strongest Vlad, I actually like his performance. Sure, he's glued to Castoria like paper, and there may be better class specific units for a given fight. But you are going to use Castoria if you're going arts just as a general rule, so that first part isn't too big of a deal. As for the later, its the fact that his peak gives you a very good bosskiller for almost all scenarios with the right investment. Sure, there's gonna be a better solution for each scenario, but he's a skeleton key for ST fights, no need to worry about the others. He is not better than Castoria berserker, with her being Nasu's poster child for the game. Given she gave Vlad the amount of time that he had in the limelight and honestly still makes him very viable, its bittersweet to see her outdo him but not enraging. She's also a limited SSR while he is a story SSR from launch. For such an old servant that sadly been fairly shafted by his OG story onwards, he has aged fairly well.
He was my choice for the SSR ticket last year. Never regreted it. He has one job usually and that is to take that one target out and he never disappointed me. There are better servants but as f2p and one that is in the Game in his second year I appreciate his existence very much. Also for him being not as popular, maybe but I defend uncle vlad as long as I can.
My only problem about him is the fact that one of his guts can only be used for 1 turn and it tied to his NP gain, make it quite awkward to use it.
Another thing is the fact that he doesnt have star gather and crit damage up to make use of the star he generate from his NP. Especially star gather buff.
@@farizahmad3036 I generally disregard the second guts he gets, that skill is pretty much for the np gain. He is mainly and really only a damage dealer through his NP, so I try to gear him to optimally do that instead of worrying about crits.
I don’t think anyone in his right mind tries to compare him to Summer Castoria, because there’s no competition there, people compare him to Galatea, like in the video.
lmao i still remember his banner came in previous year with Rama , being an indian I only wanted Rama but ended up getting np3 vlad and 0 Rama , but never regretted it
My thoughts on the tier list (Mostly a rant about the two you put in broken tier as I think the rest are fairly good):
Eric shouldn’t be E. He is kinda comparable to the 3 star servants and does have the minor advantage of lower party cost. Plus sometimes you need a backup DPS, especially if you are running low rarity berserkers. He isn’t much, but he is pretty close to Darius despite the lower rarity. (actually has better follow up face cards despite lower NP damage for example) He should be ranked C or C+ when compared to Darius.
I feel like Ibaraki should be a B+ or A. She does more damage than Beowulf long term (3 turns of buffs, some ramp up, especially with Koyan light to double stack skill 1 she does a lot more damage) She has a harder time getting crits on her own, no niches, and no hard defense, but brings some support with the first two skills, especially for Shuten, and has a debuff clear and buff removal for utility. And crits can be easily fixed with modern supports like Koyan light or by just flooding the field with stars using CEs.
Summer Ibuki should be just EX. I just don’t get the ridiculous level of hype around her. She doesn’t do that much more damage than anyone else and has almost no utility on her own (buff removal is nice and does come up sometimes no denying that, but that is one thing). At NP1, I would almost rather have Summer Musashi even for farming due to damage. (though Earth attribute is common enough that that is iffy). And by NP2 I would definitely take Summer Melusine for farming over Ibuki due to 90++ potential. Maybe I don’t rate “Braindead” as highly as everyone else. But I don’t see the point of evaluating someone so much higher just because you don’t need to use a slightly different skill order, or don’t need a single support face card after the NP in a handful of cases, but can’t actually do much more in practice. There is a big gap between 90+ and 90++, and the two times that they had a node that kinda went in between that gap, Summer Melusine was better on them both. I even used Summer Ibuki specifically to see what the hype was about and didn’t really notice her as being better than Spishtar (admittedly that was in JP so I didn’t have the full array of supports like my main does, and was borrowing her, so no Castoria involved, just Xu Fu, but that situation applied to Spishtar too). Damage isn’t nothing, but she’s a berserker with no defense, having a bit more damage than her neutral competition isn’t “broken” it’s practically required for her to have a good use case. Another argument I have is that Summer Melusine is “better” compared to Summer Ibuki than Summer Ibuki is compared to Summer Musashi. In both cases you are trading raw damage for more battery and broader niches, but S. Ibuki also loses the hard defense, while Smelu is a ruler, and has hard defense too, plus is closer to SIbuki’s damage than SIbuki is to SMusashi’s damage. She isn’t even definitely the best berserker, Arjuna Alter beats her even against Earth attribute enemies if they run the same CE and level of support (aka about half of events farming, and every CQ), and Musashi has the NP upgrade. Like can anyone explain why she is so hyped beyond constantly repeating how good she is which isn't an argument, just circular logic? Yes she is good at lots of things, but so are plenty of other servants that is why she is EX. Why is she deserving of broken tier?
Summer Castoria, too. Unlike Summer Ibuki. I do kinda get the hype around her, 70% battery, some of it targeted, and good niches really helps her in Multicore, and her self buffed damage (which matters most in multicore setups) is quite high. But I think her damage when considering a double Castoria team is just a little too low for whatever you want to do and her utility clashes too much with Castoria in a CQ and she doesn’t ramp like Vlad/Galatea. And in a multicore setup I would rather run Kintoki. There’s really no point unless you hit at least one niche, which while common, having to hit a niche to be used in your best use case doesn’t strike me as broken. And outside of farming, things get worse, any hard defense you gain from her NP or skills 2 on Castoria is lost by the fact that it blocks Castoria, losing you Overcharge stacks. There are ways around this issue, and it is amazing if you can’t run Castoria for some reason, but it does have weaknesses too. I would rather have Galatea out of farming unless you hit at least one niche and maybe even in farming sometimes (You need two NPs anyway for Summer Castoria to be worth it in 90++ sometimes, Galatea also scales better with Oberon, and Galatea has enough more refund to nearly counter the battery difference in that case, while dealing a notable amount more damage, and outside of farming, defense up and guts and buff removal res and party heal work far better with Castoria, and just as good defense wise outside of Castoria) or if you only need one NP (in which case I would rather have Kintoki). Needing only one servant to almost match Kintoki and Galatea plus having niches is quite nice and I can see being EX (aka higher than either of them), but not enough to put her in a separate tier above that. Vlad's face cards do really hold him back here, but his damage is notably higher too (in a double Castoria team at NP1 he basically matches her even against one of her powermods), especially at NP1, and I like the drain+guts more than the invul+special invul when considering Castoria support.
Ain't nobody reading all that, blud
Ibaraki can get 50% np charge with one brave chain, i run ariel drive with on her and it works great.
Damn, happy that Plushie made it... But do we gotta bring Cu down 😂 the stream was such a ride to experience especially during the Vlad moments
Ironically enough, i'm currently trying to summon for summer ibuki as a new player.
i'm at 2:00 of the video. So hopefully I pull her before he rates her.
Its currently 8/1/2024
It's pretty funny that MHXA and Summer Musashi does better damages than Archers in both ST and AoE respectively
Missed the tier stream due to easter stuff, but I sr least have something to listen to when I go back to work tomorrow.
I still remember when I thought the NP upgrade for Summer Musashi was out of place in the sense that she didn’t get what she needed. Boy, was I wrong. I didn’t look at the power mod at all. Sure, no NP charge haha, but high damage is a utility on its own.
I don’t really use her (well I don’t have her), but I probably should try her out.
Also about Herc’s placement on EX, I feel like I do understand that POV: though, I have to admit, getting him after I beat Olympus is way less impactful than if I get him during part 1. I haven’t really used him since I’ve gotten him during late game, and I don’t have the story chapters to clear so I can’t get him to bond 10. Therefore, I often end up borrowing other soloers that do not require any bond ces to work (Taira comes to my mind) instead of Herc, and I put a full team on frontline. I suppose it’s a difference in playstyle, though personally I might just put him at S because of how his usability decreases afterwards. I end up using other servants that might not necessarily be anchors - I just put a dps that might die off in 3 turns but can dish out more damage.
Honestly, what were the devs thinking with Summer Ibuki
Putting it out there while I remember, I would LOVE if Otto did an FGO iceberg
I would personally stick Raikou in A+. She’s now a farmer that has comparable damage to Arjuna against Demonic enemies or earth servants. Her only flaw in comparison is that her Evade connected to her damage, but that isn’t enough for her to be a full tier below EX. Especially since she’s the most reliable Crit servant between the three because she creates so many stars.
Mama Raikou should be in A+ now. Her bonus damage is all 3 trait is great because she covers 2 and koyan covers the last.
i think a 3 turn 5k absorb for mori would fit with his playstyle honestly it'd help him keep his damage up before he inevitably blows up
If I don't see musashi in EX ima mald
@@sohantula2154 lol yeah
you shouldnt see her in EX here she should be EX in the archer tier list LMAO
the archer class is really made up of archers moment when the best archer is a berserker
Looking forward to rolling for Summer Ibuki in 4 months. Hope I have enough SQ saved up.
Fran's only role in the game is literally wipe out the entire stage and then be a sitting duck afterwards xd.
She carried me a lot during the early stages of the game cause the game didnt have many supports and as a f2p with no supports(i had waver only for the longest time), having extremely good np from her on the 3rd waves was great. Tamamo cat on the other hand, she never gave me enough dps to trust her to clear stages. She sometimes struggled even in 2nd waves with enemies having 50k health (still does) meanwhile Fran can hit 200k per enemy sometimes (if buffed enough xd) and even if she cant hit 200k, she can get to around 120k with less buffs. Therefore imo she has good utility if someone doesnt have good support setups and just wants someone to obliterate last wave enemies.
7 hours straight of talking about FGO, I could literally NEVER
Fun fact about Arjuna Alter btw, he is the only servant in the game to have his entire kit (skills, passives, NP) at EX tier, which is neat :)
I don't see what's so special about Ibuki to give him the position of a top support. It doesn't do much better than a good charged aoe can. At cq level she has 0 survival, arjuna significantly surpasses her in damage, musashi has improved np and is much better against sabers and gives them np seal, and two methods of survival; of course in a more general way she can be better, but she really brings something so extraordinary to them to deserve the position of koyan skady ruler or oberon?
In the end these types of lists only make things worse rather than helping. The difference between what the units do is not so extraordinary as to make so many subcategories of each alphabet, it is not as if arjuna gave you something much greater than what raikou can, nor do the rest. And since each cq varies with the enemies and criteria, it is not the case that the same units will work for all the quests. Mostly only units in the area or with high loads are worth it, I don't think that those solo or st characters deserve such high positions, and even more so if they are base class sts that you will normally only take against a unit like kama. Fgo is a 90% farm game where in the end you decide how to play, without pvp and where most of the challenge missions can be passed with what the game already offers even if it costs more. I'm not saying that it shouldn't be said which unit can be better than another, because there are always units that can provide greater utility and efficiency, but fighting just to see if Arjuna is better than Ibuki when you're not going to go beyond just farming with them seems pointless to me.
Well like I say in the disclaimers at the start, these shouldn't be treated as object truth/opinions and that this really is mostly just a podcast for us to talk about Servants. The ranking is kinda besides the point to me.
Still waiting for Penth’s NP interlude. Lasengle PLEASE
I agree Vlad is A but Galatea also must be A. Because I kinda disagree with the support stuff if want to put another support like buster why not use buster berserk that why they many type of berserk bring nobu she herself is good but with buster support he can stand with higher standards much better with Galatea with buster support. And Galatea is not as same level as hijikata, Cu alter and Kintoki. Also if this tier list is for newer player who want to choose which one is better pick for berserk single target art SSR Vlad is much better because as Plushie say higher damage and Galatea need to be np 2 for better damage.
Seeing this list makes me sad knowing I’ve only got 5 Berserkers in my roster…
Arjuna Alter, Heracles, Lancelot, Atalante Alter, Kiyohime and Asterios.
How the hell do I have more higher rarity Berserkers than lower rarity ones.
Its hilarious when my Herc beat Moriarty down after he killed all my party.
The man is as solid as ever as an anchor still, along with a grailed Cu.
I love Kiyohome, even if her stats/skills are terrible, and I will die on this hill.
Morgan is ok, she has lower damage but has cooler kit. Arjuna is husbando, and has crazy oinga boinga damage. Therefore, i decided to raise them both to 120
i played another alt account and bro, the game is much less brain dead without CASHtoria. the game is really interesting playing around other avenues. she is just that OP she changed the way players play the game in both positive and negative ways. i usually avoid her like a plague and play around Waver / Arash Multicore for farming, let's see how long till CASHtoria brainrot consumes this alt account lmao.
This Vlad tier list sure sounds great!
Vlad have his Stars on NP. People like to forget that, how often he NP means you can guarantee at least 20+ stars after every time. Add in support like Skadi summer or Proto Merlin and he has his niche.
if its overall game experience, like farming and High difficulty content, i prefer Morgan than other EX Zerk, DPS, support etc, she can do anything which is she fit for most of comp in FGO
I can’t wait for Salome to get a buff. She’s such a slept on character I have mine Grailed but i feel like I’m the only Salome enjoyer
Otto i don't know if you realize this but by putting Ibuki a tier above the berserkers you are saying that Ibuki and Arjuna Alter have a bigger difference than Melusine with other lancers and Tezcatlipoca with other Assassins. Does that sound correct to you? Is she a better farmer? Sure she has 50% charge and is arts(but both need hyper and both need plug for 90++ so at that point does it really matter?) is she a better dps? well she is arts but arjuna does way more damage to compensate. My point is what does she do better than Arjuna that makes a tier difference satisfying? She is better for sure but its absolutely not worth putting her in EX+(Castoria in that tier is pure meme)
I think Myst never play Buster before,lol
@@Rosemaryalter2711 I am not saying these to Myst he was arguing against Otto.
I recommend actually watching the video if you want an answer. I feel like I explained my reasoning well
@@Ottobean I did. I was there live. You can even see me in the chat. You explained her abilities and what she does really well but i don't think you all had enough discussion about other berserkers vs her. You compared her to Melusine and Tez(which she is obviously better) but the problem is that her competition here are AOE Berserkers not them.
@@muratticugaratti1571 I don't know what to tell you other than work on your ability to hear? I listed a ton of reasons why she is really good, and the only thing you are choosing to engage with is damage, which is literally the only thing Arjuna does.
It's really easy to tell a person that they are wrong if you just ignore 90% of their argument.
If I compared her to Tez and Melusine, it's because they were contending for EX+ and didn't make it. I'm not saying she is EX+ because she is better than those two alone, I'm saying it because she is better than all of the other berserkers below her.
0:02 okay. If morgan isnt S I riot
he forgot to edit out brynhild's toothpaste hair. i feel insulted.
3:23:35
I honestly also have a thing against vlad, basic as all get out and still works just because of the meta with Castoria. Can't complain though cause i'm a castoria shill but AOE NP's are the only thing I use.
Mmmm Lancer Ryouma NP animations 😋
I agree summer ibuki and summer castoria being ex+ there number's are just too far ahead of the rest .
summer arturia has a bad damage if fights vs no divine enemies, and her anti purgue has an awful synergy with arturia caster.
Ibuki is only a musashi with charge, and does not too much than one space or everybody extra class art aoe.
@@0ReRevolver Not just divine but chaotic too. So yeah, most of the time she's gonna do great damage, as those to niches cover more than 60% of the servants. Without factoring Threat to Humanity, cause that's small for sure.
The bad synergy with OG Castoria gets blown out of proportion, I use both all the time and never had any issue.
@anonimo7835 this might be crazy but I think running her without castoria Is a plus since you what mattered most from castoria was the defense going proto merlin Tammo or renies let's you push even more damage. I would argue divine is the 2nd best niche in the game behind earth .
@@nomoreweebs Just because it has great frequent does not make it standard. Niche damage should only be a plus, not a requirement.
Tonelico/Morgan and Morgan at EX, I'm really happy their at the same tier ironically. They can do so much for the team and support each other.
I've already done more than 10 rerolls and so far this miserable Heracles hasn't arrived.
Still waiting on a 5 star Berserker loli.
Maybe if they make a Kiyohime lily or something. Bloody Mary? Or possibly Izanami from the Grail War before Fate/Requiem.
while i agree EX+ should be reserved for account changing units, i can see an argument for the top berserker DPS units like summer ibuki and castoria belonging in EX+ due to their sheer versatility and how much you are going to use them. for example, you probably wouldn't bring ozy to a saber/archer/neutral fight despite him being broken, but you can bring summer castoria in almost all fights.
Otto is seething about Vlad harrrrrd
Otto's mic is too low. I hope it gets fixed for the next tier list.
I'll bump him up a bit 👍
This may be a hot take but I see EX tier as the penultimate of a class. Ibuki Zerker and Castoria Zerker are the penultimates of that class and moved the bar that defines EX so high that the other Zerkers in EX should imo be moved to a new tier. We had S tier in the saber list and S tier would work perfectly for this tier list. S tier is still putting them above the rest but they don’t compete completely with the new EX tier bar that’s been set by Ibuki. I know the list is done but perhaps this can help with a future list of dps servants in the extra class episodes. On a side note as someone who uses raikou a lot post buff she’s arguably better than Arjuna Alter in most cases. As a dps she outclasses him easily and as a farmer raikou matches and surpasses him in many cases due to her niche power mode in combo with vich covers almost every servant in the game. Raikou is absolutely cracked and versatile thanks to finally getting her battery and 3 turn buster up.
Damn these streams have become so big now
Next year made two additional tiers - EX+ and "Account Changing" tier for top supports, problem solved! :)
We are back baby!
Basaka wa darenimo makenai SEKAI DE ICHIBAN TSUYOI DAKARA
Arjuna Alter is the Acheron of FGO
So, we have 10 Threat to Humanity servants.
5 of them are both Chaotic and Divine: Hokusai, Hokusai (Saber), Abigail Williams, Yang Guifei, and Van Gogh.
2 of them are just Divine: Abigail Williams (Summer) and Jacques de Molay
1 of them is just Chaotic: Oberon
The remaining 2 are not Divine or Chaotic: Both Mecha Eli chans
That's a lotta damage!
The chapters from Penth onwards are messed up
Should be fixed now.