NKP 765- PM 1225 NRHS Huntington, WV 8-9-91
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- Опубліковано 15 бер 2010
- Barboursville,WV (1225 pulled ahead on the near track and obscured 765, My typical luck.)
West of Hurricane, WV ( At least they were lined up correctly here for me.)
West of St. Albans, WV (two shots)
VHS Master Recording
The higher pitched Nathan 6-Chime is her regular whistle, the kind that Nickel Plate Berkshires carried in regular service. The deep 3 chime is a "guest whistle"
765's low deep whistle was the best.
@@Kanefan701 It was a C&O long bell 3 chime. 1225 actually had one on HER second whistle valve for some of the 2019 North Pole Express runs.
Simply amazing! It's a shame things such as this just don't happen anymore.
2:56 I love seeing 1225 run at that speed, sick and tired of seeing her running slow from Owosso to Alma in back!
@ThatYankeeKid Okay, did some googling around and confirmed that it was a Hancock Long Bell 3-chime. It was originally worn by a C&O Hudson. It was the standard passenger whistle on both the C&O and N&W. C&O 614 had the same type whistle originally, although she didn't carry it in her later excursion career. Other well known classes that carried that type of whistle were the SP Daylights, UP's Challengers, Big Boys and Northerns, and NYC's Niagaras.
@ThatYankeeKid I'm not a whistle expert, but it sounds like a Hancock Long-Bell 3-Chime, like the one carried on 611 and many other late steam power (844, 4449, 3985 etc).
DAMN I love the Berks!
That is the FASTEST that I've EVER SEEN 1225 go, yet.
She can still go that fast, but SRI just doesn't ALLOW her to :P
She could probably go even faster. 1225 is an N-1 berkshire. The N-1s were exact copies of the nickel plate S class berks. The highest speed a nickel plate S class could go is 70mph. So, 1225 could probably go pretty fast.
Brandon Reed
Actually, the N-1 had drivers one inch taller than the S-classes, so 1225 could go slightly faster than 765. The limits here are the track speed for this section of track, plus it's a photo runby, so she was still getting up to speed and getting ready to slow down again. And it's not SRI that doesn't allow her to run fast any more, it's the Federal Railway Administration. Since she doesn't have ditch lights, she's not allowed to run across highway grade crossings above 30 mph without flagging protection. SRI arranged that with the MSP once, and it was extremely expensive, so they've decided not to do it again. Since grade separation is all but unknown in Michigan, there's really nowhere they can let her really run like she was meant to, since, by the time they get clear of the crossing and can speed up, it's time to slow down for the next one...
rdfox76 Hmmm...I see your point. I did notice some slight differences with 1225, including what seemed like a slightly larger boiler, but I'm not sure on that one.
+Brandon Reed I remember they were restoring the boiler a couple years back
That's the fastest I have seen 1225 go!
It's a shame the 1225 hasn't had very many major mainline runs in it's excursion career, other than the Huntington 91' and few trips to Bay City, MI, the 1225 hasn't really gotten any major excursion runs.
@@TheUnflushedToilet She really should! Take her to Toledo or Fort Wayne or even Lima or Chicago
I agree. Sick and tired of seeing 1225 running slow from Owosso to Alma and back, I longed for her high speed runs like what the real Polar Express locomotive can really do.
I dont care what needs to be done, but these Berks need to run some excursions through the New River Gorge again.
@dcoursey82 The Niagaras had Hancock 3 chime steam whistles next to the stack, fireman's side behind a rectangular baffle visible above the smoke deflector. The air horns were "aftermarket" added a year or so after the engines were delivered. I have audio of Niagaras with both the whistle and the horn being used.
Really? I loved the Niagaras! They're similar to the 844. I love to year what the Niagara sounds like!
765 did eventually reach speeds higher than 1225 but it is not in this one.
There used to be a video of that but got deleted.
Same one that is on today, they just changed around some stuff with it. PM 1225 actually has a very similar Nathan 6 Chime also but here it was on a solenoid, making it sound very raspy.
1:23 nickel plate road 765 sounds like the Lionel version
The Nathan 6-Chime on 765.
"this is the way that It happens in the polar express!"
Beautiful!!!
I like 765's deep whistler than her higher one.
Sounds like both the NKP 765 and PM 1225 borrowed whistles from the ATSF and Southern Pacific Railroads if you listen carefully.
Brillient, superb vid! I have both these models! Cheers, John.
Beautiful I remember and love dearly the age of rail.
These excursions inspired me to make a little amateur story in 3rd grade called the Halloween Express. The few unrealistic things are that the CP Holiday Train and that sound that I very badly imitated. The sound was from the GreenFrogVideos DVD called Wabash Railroad when the Ann Arbor FA2's passed with that local in the second shot of it before the GP35's were shown the horn echoed in a slightly eerie way so I decided I would use that sound in my story I couldn't get a recording of it though.
They're Berkshire buddies
Wow i Wish i could have seen this
@yankinga You are correct sir. The deep whistle on 765 is a C&O Hudson whistle and 614 carried a Pennsy K-4 whistle when she did her excursion runs and the 614T test runs in WV.
He is wrong. It is a Union Pacific northern 3 chime from 8444.
@@Southfloridaeverything
There is no such thing as a Union Pacific 3-chime. The Big Boys, Challengers and Northerns had Hancock Long-Bell 3 chime whistles. So does 4449 and 611. They were the standard passenger whistles on both the C&O and N&W. C&O freight power had deep toned single note whistles, nearly identical to the N&W hooters. But don’t call them Hooters in the presence of a Norfolk and Western fan or they’whistles.
I hope the creator of these movies is still at it. The shot locations were excellent, well away from the whistle blow-zone. I like the sound of the engines and boilers. The whistle from a distance is filled with romance, close up it's overwhelming and annoying.
Monster passenger train, 30 cars. I know a bit of the railroads around Huntington, WV. The rails run along the Ohio River and the gradients approach 0%. I don't think it would take much of a hill to stall that locomotive with that train.
I miss the way the Nathan 6-Chime sounded before they changed it and made it sound different. I can only hope and pray that they'll change it back to the way it sounded.
This was in a america by rail movie I got the hole collection of trains I love trains :)
@yankinga Sorry, I don't know why that posted twice. It's interesting to know that the whistle was from the C&O. I always thought their passenger power used the now-very-rare C&O 6-chime.
By the way, you have some very interesting videos, keep posting if you have more.
That is the best whistle NKP 766 has ever had
This 765 whistle sounds like the lionel one
How many coal hoppers was the 765 pulling?
25
It looks like the 1225 is like sprinting to win a race or something and the 765 actually looks like it's taking it good
Ironically, 1225 is the faster runner... but because she was designed for the flatlands of Michigan, she's struggling more on the grades in West Virginia. (Taller drivers == higher top speed, but less torque for hill-climbing. It's only a one-inch difference, but it's enough that her speed for peak power is just a little too high for this route's track speed, and she ended up struggling more than 765 did with the same train on the same track.)
rdfox76 Struggling more than 765? In spite 1225's higher tractive effort? I guess design counts too.
09trainman Yeah, like I said, her speed for peak power is a bit too high for the New River line, and she doesn't have as much hill-climbing torque. There was an article by someone who ran both engines on the New River Train in an issue of Railfan & Railroad back in the 90s, and he mentioned that despite 1225 having higher tractive effort, she just couldn't pull the train at track speed all the way up the hills, but 765 could do so without breathing hard. (Of course, since this was a fully-loaded 35-car passenger train on a steep mountain grade, there's no shame in losing some speed up the hills!) I'd cite the issue, but unfortunately, it was back in the period when I was reading R&R at the library due to limited income, so I won't be able to dig up a copy in my archival pit^H^H^Hcloset...
+rdfox76 Wait can you explain it a bit more less complicated?
why didn't was NKP 765 superior?
@@threehornedgaming The short version is that since NKP 765 was built for running in the mountains, and PM 1225 was built for running on the flat grades of Michigan, 765 was essentially geared a bit lower than 1225, making 765 a bit better at hill climbing, but 1225 a bit faster on level track.
Wow I love that 765 whistle the pere marqutte was a little to corny but there one of my favorite top ten whistle
Pere marquette 1225 and nickel plate road 765
I love those 2
Thats cool one train pulling passenger cars and the other coal cars racing thanks for sharing
What type of whistle was the the secondary (deep) one on the 765?
That would be the whistle of the Northfolk and Western 611.
@@misxygaming7904 no it’s a C&O Hudson whistle
What if they retired amtrak service what would happen
And just one thing how is the 765 whistle changing
She's carrying two different whistles.
It has two valves for whistles. Her original one where her Nathan 6 chime, the higher one, is mounted, and another in front of the steam dome on top of the smoke box for a guest whistle. Course that was nixed at some point when FWRHS had to put a black box recorder on her.
Edit: I guess the second whistle valve is indeed still functional as evidenced by NC&St.L 576's whistle being used during 2019's Steam In The Valley.
@@justahillbilly7777 why'd they have to put a black box on the 765?
@@aidanmurray3704 No clue really.
CSX actually permitted steam at one time? Why won't they now? Was former CEO John Snow more tolerant of steam on CSX tracks?
I don't know what to tell you. I have seen discussions where members of the 765 crew say that the Owosso group says that's the way it's supposed to be tuned. It ended with a sarcastic comment that they are the "Steam Railroading Institute" after all, so it must be so.
I'll take a Hancock long-bell 3-chime any time, or a Pennsy 3-chime.
yankinga there running side by side so I guess you could say they're racing
More like they were pacing each other.
What is the low whistle of 765? The high one is NKP whistle.
C&O long bell 3 chime, off of a Hudson from what I've read.
How fast was 1225 moving in that last shot?
60mph?
I timed 16 cars passing the right side of the frame in approx 20.64 seconds. Since the standard car length is 85 feet over couplers that means the train was traveling approx 66 feet per second which is 45 MPH.
yankinga Thanks.
+jeepfivethree The following year, CSX gave permission for 55 and 60 with the steam engine since it had had perfect track record!
Sounds like 765 is normal
csx doesn't run them because it gets in the way of ther freight service and makes them pissed same with Ns service
And it's not just csx's fault it's the hole Diesel engines fault but they don't suck
Yeah well! What if NS decide to take over CSX? What happens then?
How there were no earthquakes from those whistles I'll never know
what happened to 765's whistle from the 80's and 90's?
She still has her Nathan 6 chime, the one you're talking about, but my guess is that it wore out from age and now sounds mildly-ish different nowadays.
Edit: That or it got retuned. I had a discussion with whoever runs the FWRHS Instagram on one of the page's posts that said it's had the same whistle since the first restoration, as in 700's due to the original having been stolen during its time on display, and that they've used it ever since, of course with the notable exceptions of when they had the 2789's and 760's whistles on the main valve respectively.
What's the whistle on 1225?
That's her Nathan 6-chime.
I inadvertently deleted one of your comments. I'm sorry. I'm on my damned
iPhone and I
fat-fingered it.
That's okay. But 1225's Nathan 6 chime sounds a lot different than 765's.
Zephyr4501
It sounded to me like they may have been pulling a little too hard on the whistle cord, opening the valve a little too far and causing the whistle to overblow.
The engineer used a button on the 1225 to blow her whistle back then.
Did the 1225 pull any passenger trains during its service life.
I think at the last shot 1225 went 60 mph
We'll I got the hole collection of train movies not real trains
La
I love the.coal train!
IT'S ALL CSX'S FAULT! THEY DIDN'T LET STEAM RUN ON THEIR RAILS ANYMORE AND THEY SUCK SO BAD!!!! IT PISSES ME OFF!!!!!
At 3:50 nkp changes her whistle!
God why don't CSX or NS do these convention anymore D:
Septa Railfan 1000 Money, liabilities, traffic hold ups, there's more reasons not to do it than to do it.
+Evan Locke Exactly. CSX want 100million+ for insurance, this 91 convention tied up both tracks between Huntington and St. Albans all day, so NO freight track. And with the aging equipment, the risks of failure are much higher, especially at sustained speeds. It's a shame, but its reality!
K&L Trainz Well at least now we can see the 765 at 70 mph on Joliet Rocket excursions through Illinois.
Just give me a good reason why CSX would let steam run on their rails like long ago! Because CSX SUCKS REALLY BAD AND I HATE IT WHEN IT HAPPENS! JUST GIVE ME A DAMN REASON!!!!!!!