Wacaco PipaMoka Correct Grind size and how to use.
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- Опубліковано 20 лип 2024
- I short video about how to use the Wacaco PipaMoka and what grind size you need to use.
This video is just a basic demonstration and a quick guide on the “long coffee” extraction. There are also options for a “Latte (from Espresso style) coffee extraction and a “Cold Brew” extraction.
The PipaMoka is actually very easy to use and gets very good results if you follow a couple of basics when using this product.
I used mine for the first time today with coffee I bought ground. I thought it was very good...can’t wait to try it with grinding beans right before. Didn’t know about the medium coarse but will definitely try. This was really helpful, thanks!..
Hi Simon. You are very welcome. Fresh roasted beans are always the best to use and do make a big difference in the taste.
The main thing with this product is the timing of your twist. Its usually about one half turn per one second. I turn the tube half a turn, then leave it for a second, then turn another half turn and leave it a second. This usually gets a decent extraction.
If you ground coffee is too fine (like some pre-ground coffee from the super market, the coffee basket can get pretty hard to twist and it can become blocked, this will result in an over extraction.
So its quite important to get the correct grind size and the correct twist timing.
Anyway hope that you have a great weekend.
Thanks for the video. A better sense of how they actually work, much to think about
Hi Patrick.
The Pipamoka is not bad at all. Its actually very easy to use, easy to clean and maintain and you get pretty good results for something that is quite cheap. The main things to remember with this product is the correct grind size and how fast you twist to extract, if you get these two things right, the coffee is very decent.
The first time i tried it i used coffee that was about a midium/Fine grind size (the same as i usually use for my Nanopresso) and it was a little difficult to twist for extraction and the longer the coffee is in contact with the water means over extraction. I tried again with a medium course grind size and it was perfect. The other two brews that the Pipamoka makes (Cold Brew and the Espresso type brew) both require fine ground coffee, so it best if you have a coffee grinder.
After testing the Thermos, i can say that it does keep the coffee hot for about 2 or 3 hours, if you dont open the lid, if you keep opening the lid to drink the coffee, the time will be much less (about 1 hour for me).
Anyway thanks for your message, if you want to know anything else about the product, please drop me a message and i will be happy to help.
I bought the pipamoka because of you thank :)
Thats great. I really hope that you like the PipaMoka. You can actually get a very nice brew from the PipaMoka.
Its important that you follow the manual and use the correct grind size for each type of brew and use the correct timing when you twist the tube for extraction. These two things are the most important.
Have a great day and drink more coffee.
Thank u for this video and all the rest u make. I started with the pipamoka for wacaco (also just got the picopresso and learning it after a a couple failures). I went to the Areopress when the pipamoka stoped working for me only slightly encouraged my speed but now i slowed down to emerge so thats out the window lol 😆. But i felt like the pipamoka made better coffee at least at the time of use. But i had vacume seal issue with the water not dropping into the mug and staying stuck up in the chamber. I assumed it was a bad seal but later questioned my grind size .I was very new to coffee(still am but advancing) and gave up too soon due to the little knowledge i had and poor quality grinders and letting that get to me(got a 1zpesso jmax now). You inspired me to try a courser grind size again like i probably started with. Unfortunately i assumed the finner the coffee the stronger and more flavor riched it is. But that doesn't work in the real world and not the case for every situation. Keep up the great work. Ill be watching ur Jmax grinder vids and picopresso which im sure u have if not soon im sure, i need to look at your video inventory some more. Thank you !
Evan You are very welcome. I really just post videos to help people understand the basics of some products, because coffee equipment and products can sometimes be a little confusing at first and we all have to start at the beginning.
The Pipamoka is actually a pretty decent product and it can make a nice brew if you use it properly.
The grind size is very important, not only to the taste of the brew, but to actually be able to twist the Pipamoka tube properly. Also the amount of time that you twist the tube is about a quarter turn per second.
The main brew is called Long Coffee brew and is very similar to a filter coffee a little like a Pour over. So the grind size that you need to use for the main brew is a medium or a medium/Course very similar to a Pour over.
This is important because if your grind size is too fine, when you are twisting the tube to pull the coffee basket up through the water to get your extraction, the water wont pass through the coffee powder properly and this will make it difficult to pull the coffee basket through the water and it will over extract your coffee and make it taste bitter.
For the Long Coffee i like to use medium roasted beans, this will give me a nice filtered coffee flavour with some nice characters from the beans.
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The second type of brew that the Pipamoka makes is called "Espresso style" and this needs a fine/medium-fine grind size to work. For this brew you use less water and it makes a pretty decent strong coffee that is similar to an Aeropress. You can then use this brew for making a Latte or Cappuccino if you want to add milk.
For the "Espressso Style" brew i like to use darker roasted beans, because this works best for stronger Espresso style brews. But its also up to you what roast level you prefer.
Anyway thanks again for your positive comments, its very much appreciated.
The most important thing is, really only a quarter turn per second. Very very important.
Yes i totally agree, the twist time is the key to this product. Too fast and its under extracted, too slow and its over extracted.
I tried the coarse grind but my coffee turned out bland and dull.. Been using a medium coarse grind, somewhere between v60 and french press which works perfect for me
Hi, good to hear that you are enjoying the PipaMoka. Definitely needs to be medium course grind size for the main brew. Also i kind of twist a little too slowly in the video, so the extraction was a little too strong. Wacaco also explain what the times are when you twist for the extraction in the manual.
You can also kind of feel the twisting become a little hard to turn if the grind size is too fine and this can also help you to get the correct grind size. As for the product and the results, its actually a pretty good little product and the brew is surprisingly good if you use fresh coffee.
Hi, thank you for the video. I have a problem with the pipamoka, when de process of extraction finish, only a part of coffee is brewed, a good amount of water remains in the chamber... what can be wrong?
Hi Juan, good morning. Thats very strange.
Can i please ask you, when you say "a good amount of water remains in the chamber" do you mean that there is water left above the coffee basket, or do yo mean that there is a good amount of water (not extracted coffee) actually in the thermos cup?
This is strange because of the way that the PipaMoka works with vacuum and pressure. When you twist the tube and pull the coffee basket up through the water, the vacuum creates the pressure to extract the coffee. If you have done this process the correct way and at the correct speed, you will obviously have nice tasting coffee in the cup.
If you are twisting the tube correctly and the water can pass through the coffee powder properly, i dont see how there can be any water left above the coffee basket when you have twisted the tube all the way to the top, unless your coffee powder was too fine and the water could not pass through the coffee basket properly.
However you would probably notice this while you were twisting the tube, because it would be very difficult to twist and also you would notice the over extracted taste of the coffee.
There are a couple of parts for the PipaMoka that have rubber rings, one one the end of the tube and one on the bottom of the coffee basket, these are needed to create vacuum and i suspect that in your case that it is not these that are at fault.
However they are worth looking at. The one on the coffee basket does come off and does need cleaning from time to time. Also the screen and the filter on the coffee basket can sometimes become blocked, so please check those.
I have a feeling that the only logical thing is your coffee powder is too fine and is blocking the basket, this is preventing the water from passing through the coffee powder properly and this water is staying above the coffee basket.
I am not sure what grinder you are using for grinding your beans, but if your grinder is not a decent grinder and is not consistent, you will get a lot of large coffee particles and a lot of fines, the fines can sink to the bottom and really block the coffee basket, so maybe look at that also.
I had the same issue. Looking on their website and videos. If it happens just once or twice, it means you are turning it too quickly. If it continues to happen, it usually means your grind size is too fine. If water does remain in the chamber, just leave it twisted all the way to the top, and the water will drip through. I'm find a slightly finer grind than a french press/plunger grind, produces coffee that is too my taste.
@@dalewilliams7931 I had this problem too but im 99% sure my grinds were too fine. This is what i was mentioning on my 1st new comment @metacoffee. I used those cheap chopping blender style grinders and was shaking it to stir and grind finner. Got a jmax now
@@mightymightyironhead i did also forget to say that i was extremely guilty of usually racing the spins thinking itll increase pressure and better quality coffee
@@evanm.2300 The key is to use the correct grind size and the correct timing for twisting.
The very first time that i used the Pipamoka i did the same thing.
I used a grind size that was too fine and i tried to twist too quickly, the tube became blocked and would not move.
At that point the coffee is still in contact with the water and is over extracting. If this happens, just stop turning for a few seconds and it should ease off and let you turn again.
How about the taste ? Is it the same with V60 brew method taste short off light flavour? Or the same like we taste an Americano coffee?
Hi Renilda, sorry for the late reply, UA-cam is not indicating that i have messages.
The taste is quite clean, i would say that it is more like a V60 Filter coffee than an Americano type coffee (double shot of Espresso and hot water) and i would also say that the taste will have a lot to do with the coffee used, the roast level and profile that you use with this product. I roast my own coffee, so i have a lot of control over the roast level, the profile and i noticed that the charactors and flavor was noticeably more than it would have been if i had used a normal kitchen coffee maker.
I would i say that the taste is on par with a V60 or filter coffee maker if you use this product the correct way and get the correct extraction, the same as the V60 and the Filter coffee brewers.
I think that it is important to get the correct extraction time with this product, so its important to get the correct grind size to do this. Too fine and the product wont twist at the correct speed (over extracted) too course and the product will twist too fast (under extracted) but this is not a problem if you read the manual and have some idea of grind sizes. This is also important for something like a Pour over, or a Drip coffee and if people dont follow these basic rules, you will taste it in the cup.
Overall the Pipamoka is a pretty good product, its very easy to use if you follow a couple of rules, it makes a very nice clean filter type cup of coffee, the Thermos does keep the drink hot or cold for up to a few hours. It can also make some other drinks that would require you to purchase extras, like with the Nanopresso.
i have one. taste is next too french press, but clean and soft. 15gr America Gourmet Intercoffee, recipe timemore c2 click 17, 200ml, (pre-heating cup + spiral 2x 99°C), infusion 2min 30s, extract total time 4min 30seg...
If you would use your 1Zpresso JX-pro grinder, what number would you dial in to achieve this medium corse grind?
I would got for a standard Pour over medium course grind size. The Pour over grind range on the JX-Pro grind reference chart is pretty big ( 32 to 44 ) over one full rotation. I would start around 36 and adjust accordingly.
@@mightymightyironhead Many thanks indeed. From my personal experience with the JX-pro I find the chart to be completely out of whack. The Moka-Pot range is from 24-30 in the chart but I am now at 19 to achieve a decent brew. For the picopresso I am at 12, while you achieved good results at 15. Is it my grinder (which is correctly adjusted to "zero") or is it simply the kind of roast I'm using? I wonder if you are achieving constantly the same results with different roasts, or do you find it necessary to adjust your grind settings for each individual roasts? If you don't mind can you share your experience?
@@klausadrift7568 Without a doubt, different beans and different roasts will require different grind adjustments.
I recommend that you try some dark roasted beans, maybe some Brazilian, or Robusta beans to see how different they are to a medium roast bean. A fresh Espresso blend (Arabica and Robusta 70% / 30% or maybe 50% / 50%) will make a big difference to how you grind and the extraction results for the Picopresso. Robusta beans are great for producing Crema.
However Crema is not really an indication of a good Espresso. Crema can be an indicator of roast degree or freshness, but it doesn’t really indicate how good the espresso will taste. Balance, Texture and good and transparent flavours are more important.
Roast level and freshness will impact how the coffee extracts and tastes. For example, you can roast a bad coffee to a dark roast degree and still get a really nice thick crema and the espresso will still taste bad. Crema can be nice to look at, but it’s important to just concentrate on if the espresso is balanced.
Within Crema you have different colors. These slight differences show either the kind of roast used, how long the espresso shot was, or a possible problem with the consistency of your coffee grounds.
Too light means the bubbles are larger than usual: you may have under-extracted your espresso. Too dark on the other hand can either be a result of over-extraction, or the use of a darker roast (which also usually produces less crema). Over-extracted coffee can result in a bitter cup.
Yes the grind reference chart is very broad and can be a little confusing.
I personally just use it as a very basic guide to start with, i probably could also just say.... ok i know that i want to grind for Pour over, that's somewhere in the middle of the total grind range that i know the grind has, i know that the grinder has 5 possible full rotations..... so i will just turn the adjustment dial 2 and a half rotations and see what i get. Its probably just as accurate to do that haha
@@mightymightyironhead I am very grateful again for your advice. I have now subscribed to your channel, because you take time and effort to answer in a comprehensive manner. Very different from other UA-cam coffee gurus who most of the time don't even bother to answer. And BTW the JX-pro I bought recently from META/Lazada here in Malaysia. Very good pricing, fast delivery and overall excellent service. This and somebody to answer all your coffee questions rounds it very nicely up.
@@klausadrift7568 You are very welcome. Thank you very much for your kind comments and for your subscription.
For me its very important to give good customer service and if i can help anyone and give some advice. i will always try my best to do that, after all helping people does not cost anything and we all needed to start somewhere. I think that a lot of people forget that they also started from the beginning.
If you have spent your hard earned money with me, you deserve the best customer service and advice i can give.
Whenever I put the lid on it doesn't work. It works without a lid.
Hi good morning. I am really sorry i am a little confused. You say that the PipaMoka does not work with the lid on, can you give me a little more details.
Are you saying that the lid does not fit onto the PipaMoka (falls off) after you have made a brew?
Or are you saying the PipaMoka does not allow you to make a brew with the lid on?
@@mightymightyironhead When I have the lid on, the pipe remains half full with water. Not without a lid
@@Fun-Photo I think that your problem is that the PipaMoka is not creating enough vacuum and enough suction with the lid on.
For the PipaMoka to work properly, it need to crate an air flow. The air flow creates a vacuum zone and also some suction force at the bottom of the thermos under the coffee basket.
I think that you are stopping the air flow and not creating enough vacuum and suction when you leave the lid on during the extraction.
Actually you are not supposed to leave the lid on while you are extracting the coffee, only put the lid on after you have made the brew to keep your coffee hot.
How does it compare with aeropress go ? Which one should I purchase ? Is pipamok made in China ? Thanks
Hi thanks for the questions.
Wacaco is a Hong Kong company, but yes their products are indeed manufactured in China. As i understand Aeropress are manufactured in the US.
I personally dont own the Aeropresso Go, so i dont use that product as much as i use the PipaMoka. I own a normal Aeropress and i borrowed an Aeropress Go from a friend who owns one.
I would say that both the Pipamoka and the Aeropress Go are good products and both can make a very decent brew. They are both about the same retail price, depending on where you purchase.
The PipaMoka uses a Medium or a Medium/course grind size for the main brew and a fine grind size for the other 2 brews, so its reccommended that you have a grinder to get the best out of this product.
The PipaMoka makes a very decent clean "filter type" coffee, i think its as good as a pour over, its easy to use and easy to clean. The PipaMoka does not need does not need paper filters like the Aeropress Go, so this is an obvious facter into the overall cost.
The Thermos cup for the PipaMoka is air tight and spill proof so you can make a brew and take it with you in a bag, without it spilling and it keeps the coffee hot for about 3 hours. I tested this and if you dont open the lid, my coffee was at a decent drinking temp at about 3 hours.
The PipaMoka can make about 3 different brews. The main brew takes a couple of minutes of twisting for extraction, so you are in control of the extraction and this can take a couple of goes to get your prefered extraction.
The "Espresso type brew" is the same method, but with lass water and a different grind size. For the Cold brew the extraction Wacaco recommend 3 hours, but when i first tried to make Cold brew, my grind size was too course and the extraction was only one hour, but the taste was still pretty good.
Too be honest, there is no obvious downsides or problems that i have found with the PipaMoka. Yes there is a slight learning curve, but the manual is very good at explaining pretty much everything. One think that i dont like, is the material for the Thermos cup. It looks nice when you first buy the PipaMoka, but this material is quite easy to get scratch or get marks on it, however there is a pretty cool carry case for the PipaMoka that will hep prevent damage.
But as far as the function of this product goes. Its a very good product.
The Aeropress Go includes a plasic mug, the plastic cup is not too hot to handle, its also ribbed to help prevent slipping when you are holding it, its also got a lid, but this is really for keeping the parts from falling out when you pack everything inside the cup, and not really for helping to keep the brew hot, unlike the PipaMoka and i would not try and carry this in a bag for travel with hot coffee inside.
One thing that i have never liked about the Aeropress and i still dont like about the Aeropress Go, is the way that you push down on the tube to extract the coffee, this can sometimes be a pain, if you dont have a flat surface, or the grind size of the coffee is not right and the pressure is too much, the product can move around a little.
The PipaMoka is not like this, you can prepare the coffee filter basket in advance and keep that inside the product, add the water later and no matter where you are, you can sit down, or stand up and twist the the extraction tube, it does not need any force pushing down, just turn it with your hand and the extraction tube moves upwards without much effort. For me this is a lot easier to use.
The Aeropress Go uses paper filters and the PipaMoka does not need any, so there is this extra cost to think about. The Aeropress Go includes a filter paper holder that holds 20 papers, so this is a good inclusion.
The Aeropress Go can use the accesseries from the original Aeropress, so thats a bonus. The PipaMoka can not use any of the axtras from other Wacaco products, like the NS Adapter or the Barista Kit from the Nanopresso, but it does not really need than anyway.
I honestly would not know what product to recommend to you. They are both very good at what they do, they are both quite cheap to buy and they both do similar things. After using both products, I personally prefer the PipaMoka, it just has the edge on the Aeropress for me and obviously depending on the quality of the coffee that you put in the product, the PipaMoka just has the taste that i prefer.
Anyway i hope that has helped you a little and good luck, i am 100% sure that you will enjoy both of these products no matter what you buy.
@@mightymightyironhead
Hi
Thank you so much for the details reply.
It's really help me to make my decision.
I think for overall score I will go for pipamoka. Thanks again. Have a great day.
@@The738james Hi sorry for the late reply. UA-cam does not let me know when i have a message.
The PipaMoka is a pretty good product, i am sure that you will enjoy using it and the coffee is very nice using this product.
Honestly id say just buy both and see what u like. Its worth it . I own both and they totally different and great for different situations.
Areopress go is dummyproof and many youtube vids to help learn about coffee and aftermarket parts if u like to experimentand burn cash if thats ok. but mug sucks for a seal and spilling if not careful. But thats not a deal breaker if ur very very careful.
Pipamoka-better all around better and a real travel friend. But less community and grind size needs to be course. But without experimenting for hours and days on areopress, i felt like when i did used to use pipamoka it was better flavor amd strength coffee.
...buy both dont assume one is the perfect brewer and the only one u need.at least determine by testing if u onlybwamt to keep one
Hello! At what kind coffee is more tasty? Pipamoka or Aeropress Go?
Hi, it kind of depends on what type of coffee brew you want?.
Both of these products can make a really nice, however the Pipamoka can make 3 different types of coffee.
The main brew is a regular "filtered" type coffee that can taste quite clean and is more similar to a Pour over than an immersion brewer.
However the Pipamoka can also make an "Espresso style" brew that does taste pretty strong and is more similar to the type of brew that you get with the Aeropress and you can use this "Espresso style" brew to make a Latte or Cappuccino, so thats pretty useful. The 3rd brew is a "Cold brew type brew".
Both of these products are pretty easy to use and easy to clean. The Pipamoka takes about the same time to make the brew as the Aeropress does. With the Aeropress, you need to have the correct grind size to get a good extraction.
With the Pipamoka you need to get the correct grind size, because if you are too course, the coffee basket will pull to fast and you will get an under extraction, if its too fine, it will be difficult to twist the tube and pull the basket through the water and this will give you an over extraction.
However they both kind of work the opposite way, the Pipamoka has a twist style where you pull the coffee through the water using a vacuum and the Aeropress uses a French press style pumping method and both these methods can result in different extractions and different flavour profiles for each product.
I personally dont really prefer the stronger flavour coffee that you get with extractions from products like the Aeropress (there are quite a few different recipes that you can use with the Aeropress that does result in different flavour profiles, but the regular Aeropress taste can be pretty strong)
I personally prefer the cleaner and less strong taste that you get with the Pipamoka, its a little like an Americano if you made it with natural processed beans instead of stronger Brazilian/Robusta beans, but obviously you will still get different flavours depending on what coffee you use.
Both products are very portable, but i found that the plastic cup with the Aeropresso go was not so good and i also found that the Original Aeropress made a slightly bigger brew than the Go, so if you dont really need that plastic cup or you have a better thermos, i would advide that you just get the original Aeropress.
The Pipamoka includes a metal thermos cup with a good lid that does actually keep your coffee hot for hours, its water tight, so you can actually make your brew and take that with you and it should not spill.
Anyway i hope that was helpful to you.
@@mightymightyironhead thank You very much for so full answer!
What has become of the coffee must only be brewed at 90 degrees? Is that no longer true?
The consensus about coffee temperature is that the perfect coffee brewing temperature is 205 degrees Fahrenheit, or ( 96 degrees Celsius) and is the ideal water temperature to brew any coffee.
Brewing too hot can cause your coffee grounds to be over-extracted. Over extraction occurs when the flavors and aromas in the grounds are released too quickly, causing a bitter taste. This is why when brewing coffee manually, you should only bring the water to a boil and don’t overboil it.
Overboiling water is when water is boiled for longer than it should be, causing larger amounts of oxygen to be stripped away. This is why it makes coffee taste bitter and flavorless.
A thermometer is always great tools to have for checking your temperature. but if you don't have a thermometer and are using a plain pot or kettle, just boil it. Once it’s boiled, remove for 30 seconds, which will typically give you something in the 199-205 degree ( 96 degrees Celsius) neighborhood.
it would be nice to pour into a glass cup to see the consistency of the coffee
Hi Adalberto, totally agree with you. i am going to make another video of the PipaMoka very soon and include that kind of thing.
Sir, can you make a video for making like espresso and cold brew?
Hi good morning. I have been thinking about making a video showing the different ways to use the Pipamoka. Please give me a little time and i will do that. Hope that you have a great day.
Hi again. Sorry for the wait for the Pipamoka Cold Brew video. Here is a quick video made ua-cam.com/video/utS9cRwjzJ4/v-deo.html