I have an attachment for my 1/8" collet size tool for sharpening welding TIG rods... has a bunch of holes for feeding the Tungsten rods in at whatever angle you want them sharpened to... much cheaper and works well for way way way way less than the thousands of dollars a dedicated tungsten sharpener costs.
I had started, but not finished, this video two months back. I clicked on it again today, while it was loading I came down to the comments, right as I read this it loads and he’s just got a Makita drill hooked up to the grinder
I've been using a KINGrinder K2 for the last 4 months. I love the quality and the grind variability. After looking through CoffeeUA-cam, I was almost convinced that I would never be able to make good drinks at home for less than thousands of dollars. After watching many hours of coffee UA-cam and understanding what was important about dialing in, I would go to my local favorite cafe and order a flat white once a week and come home and make myself 3-4 more drinks to try and replicate their drink. I would say that after 2 weeks, I got the espresso right and that the milk frothing took me three weeks to get right. And now, armed with a KINGrinder K2, De'Longhi Stilosa EC260BK and a few budget accessories (tamper, distribution tool and good cups) I can make espresso drinks that are comparable to all the best shops in Dallas, TX and even impress my barista friends that work with big money industrial machines. I can make beautiful and delicious espresso drinks at home with a total spend of near $200. The KINGrinder K2 was the key to unlock my home scientist process to replicate the drinks from local cafes within about 5 grind attempts.
Feel a bit dense ... what is CoffeeUA-cam? 😅 I didn't find a channel named that way, so are referring to the collective coffee UA-camrs? Or the best ones or ... haha. I know to follow James, but otherwise, I'm a bit at sea ...😅
I literally got this exact grinder yesterday as a mere act of faith as there were not many reviews of it and I will not be able to purchase another grinder for quite some time (hard to get online sold products in my country) As a beginner coffee nerd, seeing this video uploaded the very next day by none other than James Hoffman was one of the happiest moments for me in a long time. Saw the video while drinking my second v60 poured using this grinder with a huge smile on my face. ❤️
Better than my experience with my first grinder, I got one of those cheap on amazon, as soon as I opened the package James uploaded the review comparison of different cheap grinders, guess which one was the last?
Pro tip for anyone with an old Hario mini mill lying around. It's probably the best black pepper grinder I've ever used. But only do that if you've retired it from coffee, since it makes for spicy brews (as I found out the hard way).
And there are some barbecue rubs that use coffee for beef brisket or steaks. So, you could grind your peppercorns and your coffee for a great barbecue.
Same here! I found one for 3 bucks at the thrift store without the bottom cup and it's the best coffee grinder ever. Grinding fresh black pepper for a whole pot of soup is finally reasonable
I really appreciate the evolution of your channel from "spend more money its worth it" to "I am so giddy to find something special and affordable" *product sells out in minutes*
I just want to share some of my experience here: I'm a barista from Brazil, and here our wages start around R$2K a month (which translates to USD 390, EU 360 and BP 310)... so not a lot of money to buy coffee accessories from other countries. White label Chinese grinders (very similar to this one or Timemore products) have been good for a while, and specialty grade national coffee is quite accessible making the best result for something that an average Brazilian can enjoy.
@@mathgccunha cara sao justamente produtos sem marca. Na verdade sao empresas que vendem pra outras empresas colocarem suas marcas e por isso recebem o nome de white label. Pra encontrar no Ali procura "cnc grinder dual bearing"!
This video is a demonstration of two things: 1) investment aside, if a group has interest in developing an idea, it will be slowly optimized to cost either the same for higher quality, or cost less for the same result; 2) law of diminishing returns, as is true to many products, means that paying X times more does NOT mean 3 times better performance. It is an amazing video!
It doesn't help that Comandante has done literally nothing for innovation in grinders in 10 years except for trying to sue other grinder companies out of business for dubious patent infringements.
@@amunak_ that's basically has been the story of western industries in general for the past 5 decades, and is the reason why we are where we are right now. Arrogance and hubris and protectionism are slowly making every facet of production and research non-competitive
The difficulty is determining where the point of diminishing returns actually is. And of course companies, shill reviewers, and over-enthusiastic 'ambassadors' want to push that point higher. It's difficult to suss the truth out if you're rather ignorant of a topic (as I am of coffee).
@@pjhenry1216 my dude, I have experience of PSA, particle size analysis, as a method in analytical chemistry. I thought it worked well as a PSA joke. But please, explain more of my experience to me.
I was once on a drill rig in the middle of a mine in the middle of nowhere mexico and the driller made me a cup of coffee using a hand grinder attached to a power drill and an aeropress. Considering the circumstances, best cup of coffee I have ever had.
I bought the K6 KINGrinder 2 years ago @ $99 after a year of research. I LOVE LOVE LOVE IT! It also doubles as a weapon if you’re burgled; it’s a friggin’ tank!
I'd be more interested in comparing the k-series to the p-series. ie. If the P series makes a lot of fines, does the metal body of the K series improve on it?
My guess is the biggest difference would be the speed it grinds, and otherwise, it's entry level with similar design so I doubt it would make any taste-able differences.
@@nyatalia P series has metal skeleton to ensure precision so I don't think K series can do much better, K0/K1 in the current state is probably just more durable and look nicer, rather than grind better. Other than that, I think the difference between P and K would be similar to grinding with more constant or more varying speed, as the skeleton might wobble more in a plastic shell than in metal shell.
@@FlameRat_YehLon Even compared to a metal skeleton, the aluminum shell rigidity might increase general rigidity. We're talking deflection on the micron scale, so I definitely think it could have some effect.
This is a popular brand in Asia (China, Hong Kong, Taiwan etc.). They have the "premium" range named K1-K6, all metal construction. I have the K6. I do not have equipment to do scientific tests but I use it interchangeably with my C40 and I can only say, they taste very similarly.
The home barista community definitely needs these kind of videos. Just read any reddit discussion around coffee equipment and you see how captured everybody has been by the industry. People believe that you need to spend 1000+ for an espresso setup, which is not a very inclusive mindset. Its actually a very consumerist and destructive view. You can even make great espresso with your old nescafe machine, with an handgrinder like this and a reusable stainless steel capsule.
Well he sells being a sort of authentic voice in the space. If people would see him as compromised he wouldn't have a leg to stand on@@IsaacIsaacIsaacson
I am perfectly happy with my sub $200 thermoblock. Most of the accessories from aliexpress are well made. Grinders getting cheaper day by day. Nowadays it should be easily possible to have a compelling espresso setup for less than $500 without having to rely on second hand. Probably $300-400 if you go for this grinder.
I might add a second hand flair for good espresso on the cheap, but really to anyone with any passing interest in coffee I immediately recommend an aeropress. I use a stainless filter on mine and 6-10 min immersion extractions, for the flavor I like, but it's so versatile, easy to use, easy to clean, and it limits how much nice coffee you go through by not having half litre cups..
Well if your going to discuss how 'inclusive' expensive coffee products are. This hand grinder isn't exactly inclusive to people missing an arm is it. Imagine asking a one armed person to make the coffee and giving them this grinder to use 🤔
James, i think it is time to revisit the current state of hand grinder. Timemore has done so much since the last time you reviewed hand grinder and provided us many customers with cheaper choices for fine espresso grind (still use Timemore Chestnut C3 Nano & agree that it is arduous & painful task to grind as fine as Turkish Coffee kind of fine, but they have been quite enjoyable for manual espresso maker - no need to be too fine, just salt-like). Also, as an owner of Hario MSS-1DTB Slim grinder, I don't use it anymore since i got Cafec Tsubame TM-18 Mill, done much better results for a ceramic burr and it has been my favourite for pour over ever since.
Absolutely, I feel like James is a few years behind on grinder innovation. Stuff like the Miicoffee/Turin SD40/DF54, Kingrinder K6, Timemore series have come leaps and bounds for good prices.
I got a C2 a few years ago when I was trying to get into good light roast coffee with my Aeropress because I wanted a good grind profile for less than $100 and I think it made the biggest difference in my coffee brewing by far. Definitely one of my favorite coffee brewing tools.
James's personality really came out in this video. He made me chuckle several times. I wasn't even halfway interested in a hand grinder but enjoyed the video nonetheless. Thanks for lightening my day James!
Thank you James. How lovely to see such enthusiasm. As someone who has not the space, nor the money, I am limited to hand grinders and coffee made using cafetières, mokka pots, Delter press and drip coffee.
Thank you James. I just bought the KinGrinder P1, a V60 and some proper beans as my first non capsule coffee and i LOVE IT. It's night and day. Now, my old capsules just taste like hot water with some bitterness. I didn't know coffee could be so delicious. Thank you for starting me on this journey
I moved from a $30 Hario Slim to a $100 Kingrinder K6, and boy the jump in grind quality was enormous. I didn't know their $30-range grinders performed so well, I might have considered it. But the overall metal build of K6 feels amazing, and I don't see myself replacing it for years to come. Also, the sound of removing the bottom chamber sounds like removing an m4 silencer in Counterstrike -- a joy to my ears and overall morning coffee routine.
Same! It was crazy how easier grinding become from 2 minutes down to 30 seconds somehow. Also it's heavy, so you can use in a fight, which is a neat bonus.
Made the same upgrade, couldn't resist the "sexy" external adjustment. Before that I bought an eletrical one (Baratza Encore ESP) and I would surely reconsider buying an eletrical one if I knew a decent handgrinder can be so fast and not painful compared to the Hario
The external adjustment was what sold me to Kingrinder K6 (aside from steel burrs and an all metal construction). Those tiny mechanical "ticks" while finalizing the grind size are sooo therapeutic 😆😆😆
I have K6 too and I like it a lot, while ordering I saw about the future release of P series but didn't want to wait. I love K6 materials but reduced size and weight would be appreciated for camping where I mostly use a hand grinder
I have been using a K6 to grind coffee at work for about a year and it doesn't show any signs of wear. Pourover beds were quite muddy to start but that has improved.
I drink terrible watered down breakroom coffee like it's the elixir of eternal life and I still find your videos really captivating. It's nice that you enjoy the finer things without being a snob about the cheaper things.
I have a Kingrinder K6 (their higher end grinder) and I absolutely love it. I use it for both espresso in my Flair Classic, and for pour overs in a V60 and I love the coffee I get from both of them. It has about 240 steps (according to the Kingrinder literature each step is a 16 micron adjustment), but I’ve never really gone coarser than 70-80. I feel like there’s about 10 steps between 40-50 that are usable for espresso.
Agreed, the K6 is incredible. For espresso, mine chokes my Bambino at 42 or 43 clicks from zero on most beans, so I usually start at 45. For pourover I've gone as high as 105 in a Kalita Wave, but the 65-90 range does well most of the time in V60 and other conical ones.
I m using the K4 (I think that's their espresso optimized model) and it's absolutely excellent. I don't think it d be simple to pick apart in a blind test among the very high end hand grinders, and I got it around 100E in a big sale. Built like a tank, can adjust grind size using the dial on top instead of fiddling with the bottom dial covered in ground like with the P1 or the C40. Overall, unbeatable value.
Anyone with any advise if I’m using a Hario switch with the k6? I’ve tried 100, 90 and 85 clicks, but am still experiencing sourness, should I be going finer?
@@joellow8605 I use a hario v60, and I’m generally in more of the 60-70 range, but it does depend a bit on the coffee you’re using, dosing, etc. I would guess that you should try going finer, Mr. Hoffman himself has a great video on dialing in pour over recipes, I believe he talks pretty extensively on it in his V60 recipe video, check it out!
@@joellow8605 I don't think your 90 is the same as everybody else's, and especially if you disassemble it to clean it, unless you put it back the exact same way, the zero point ll be different by a bit. Clicks should serve as your own point of reference, not to compare with others. (Source: Been there, wasted a lot of coffee that way!).
A couple notes. The KINGrinder grinders usually come with an additional gasket that can be swapped out that allows the lid to be used with a drill. At least, the k lineup does; I'm not sure about the p lineup. Also, the k0 and p0 burrs are copies of the Timemore C2 burr. The other burrs in their lineup may be copies of other popular hand grinders also. The p0 has the same burrs as k0, and p1 the same as k1. p2 has a new burr that's like a mini version of the k6 / k5. The p and k lines are otherwise the same, afaik, except p is plastic, k is aluminum, k has a bigger catch cup and and 40 clicks per rotation compared to p's 30 clicks. Edit: I said the p2 burr was the same as the k2 and that's entirely false, so I fixed that, above.
Your bit on the P2 is absolutely wrong. The K2 is a Hexagonal (6-blade) burr. The P2 is a Heptagonal (7-blade) burr, more like a miniature K6. Outside the line, it’s more comparable to the 1zPresso Q Air, which makes it an insanely more interesting grinder. The K2, K3, & K4 all share the same burr shape. The K2’s burr is uncoated while the K3/K4 are coated. The K4 has external adjustment while the K3’s is internal. Kingrinder’s naming scheme is just stupid. It’s only good for keeping track of which models are the upsell. Don’t rely on their nomenclature to tell you what they’re supposed to compare to.
I'm going to comment having only read the title of this video because this is the exact grinder I have been using for the past 3 months, and is my first and only ever experience with a coffee grinder. I wanted a 1Zpresso after watching your and others videos, but couldn't justify the cost. Now I can't justify the upgrade because the P1 is rock solid for people like myself. Someone who wants a hand grinder but isn't concerned about dialing in the best possible grind - moreso just wants something satisfying to use that gets the job done. Which is exactly what it is.
For a couple of years, I have sung the praise of getting into coffee GEAR cheap and then spending the real money on good beans. Timemore C2/3 and Aeropress have been my recommended first steps to a few friends. I'm glad to see even MORE options for po' folk to drink fancy.
I bought a Kingrinder K6 last year, luckily on a big-discount day over at Bezostown. I love it. Worlds better than the other cheap hand grinders I've owned.
I can picture it having been up for weeks, if not months, selling at a reasonable pace that they can keep up with. Then, POOF!! All gone in under an hour. I wonder how many they sold? 🤣🤣
All I can say, is that I am soooooo glad I bought my Kingrinder K4 like 6 months ago. James for sure just increased the price of all of these grinders substantially.
And finally today the Kingrinder P2 that I ordered arrived in Colombia, I immediately saw your video. I hope to be able to calibrate it to my Delonghi Icona Vintage machine since it is the first time I use it. Thank you for this video and do not discourage new lovers of the world of coffee with expensive and in some cases unattainable machines.
I bought a K0 shortly after starting with an Aeropress and I don't have anything to compare it with, but I love it and the coffee I've never enjoyed the coffee I make this much. I believe the K0 and P0 share the same burr.
@@cameronwest5941 dang, i wish i could say that! where i live and for how much i earn $20 is a third of my monthly grocery bill. i splurged for a Timemore C2 during the pandemic and it will have to last my lifetime because it was a month's rent for me
I bought the K6 thanks to the information on sites like this. Freshly ground beans, pour over. Already a giant improvement over the wasteful expensive Nespresso i used to make. From here it's learning what kind of beans i like, finding local roasters, improving storage, pouring methods and getting an espresso machine. Thank you for all your information James!
@@Jaygoesin i you know you never going to make espresso the P2 seems like a fine choice. if you ever want to make very finely ground coffee like Turkish or espresso i would probably go with the K6.
I just bought a cheap hand grinder and it's def been an upgrade over my cheap electric grinder. You save money on the electronics, allowing the makers to put more into the grind itself. I'm not ready to pay more for a grinder than my espresso machine lol, so this my only real option tbh
I got lucky with a barista encore for 7 bucks at a thrift store that needed a couple parts replaced - which they sell. But yeah, you'd get a lot better grind from a hand grinder at the same pricepoint
Depends a bit on the price brackets. Five (or more) years ago I bought a commandante and still use it. It was 350€ back then. Now I bought a DF64 gen 2 for approx the same price. It’s still shipping so I don’t know how it compares, but if you’re willing to spend $400 on a grinder then the electric ones come in range.
I picked up a Kingrinder K 4 last year for espresso, and it's been fantastic. Burr adjustment by 16 um per click with an easy external bezel adjustment. All aluminum body with around 30g capacity, so plenty for doubles. A few shots to dial in, but now I'm enjoying pretty decent espresso. The K4 is geared towards espresso with a 48mm burr that has six blades and is specifically targeting espresso making. it was $119, but with a 30% coupon and reward points, it wound up costing me $46. Well worth it.
I've had the k6 for a couple years now, and would highly recommend that if you can scrape up the extra few bucks. It goes on sale all the time for $99, worth every penny. Dial is at top, so super easy to dial in whatever you need. Love it for espresso, takes less than a minute to hand grind and has a drill option built in (looking at you, James).
I have been using a Kingrinder K6, which comes in at $100 or so, for about a year now. The K6 is a great grinder which I use near exclusively for moka (which grinds a lot (and I mean a lot) faster as espresso). I am having very consistent and good results with it. Hard to compare, not so nerdy myself I have a range of handgrinders at home.
I want to echo the commenters who brought up Kingrinder K6. I also own one and couldn't be happier. It's made amazingly well, and using it is very enjoyable. As for the quality of the coffee made with it, I can definitely say that I was able to enjoy inexpensive dark roast decaf after switching to K6, which wasn't the case before.
I’m with you! I have the K6 and I love it! I use it multiple times a day for both my wife and I. PLUS I use it on my Flair Pro 2 and it is more than serviceable for that. Dollar-for dollar, I can’t imagine anything being better.
I just bought the k6 recently to reply my first grinder which was the Hario. Day and night difference in the grinding experience and results! Still learning to dial in my coffee though.
YES! I imagine James might like the K6. It's build really well and the adjustment mechanism is incredibly satisfying. I was able to get one for 110 euro when it was discounted a few years ago on Aliexpress and couldn't be happier.
True, i was scared of the potential monster that I have created. But I assure you it is a necessary evil, as it won't even turn with a regular motorized screwdriver which also fits. It needs the drill.
I was so surprised to see that grinder in James’ s video! Because it looks a lot like my first hand grinder, and wow it is! It‘s from a Chinese company who specializes in hand grinder. From I gathered, it has two products lines, P0-P3 is more for pour over, K0-K6 is the main line which can be used for espresso, moka pot and pour over etc. I used K3 with my moka pot for a long time, my first fresh coffee grinding experience. I find the price acceptable, and the grinder is quite capable, the coffee is delicious. The brand is actually quite famous in China’s coffee circle now. I am glad to see it made into broader market.
I've had a kingrinder for 2 years now... It is still doing a fine job, I am happy to repport 😉 I don't use it for expresso but it is really good for filter coffee and aeropress. Also, it is portable, so even if I buy a eletric grinder (lazy mornings make me wish for one), I'll still use it.
I've had my P2 for a few months now. Took the risk for my first hand grinder, over a timemore (wch people often recommend as first hand grinder but I notice they also upgrade from). Have been happy with it! It produces good cups of aeropress coffee and pourover + cleaning is a breeze. I expect to be getting years out of it. Not expecting the P-series to blow up in such a big way, but thanks, James, for the affirmation (because then people will be trying it and newbies like me could learn from a bigger pool of users)
I got one of these a while ago. I love it. I'm not so much of a connoisseur that I could justify spending $100+ on a grinder, but a cheap little guy like this that does pretty well, I'm all for it. It works great.
My Comandante has been going strong for years. I absolutely love it. But it‘s really great to see those cheap but rather high quality alternatives. Might buy one just to see how good it is.
They over tripled the price after your video. Its 129 now and sold out. I hope you update your review and slam them. At $33 great at $129 because they got traffic....hell no
I actually use a KINGrinder K6 as my portable/work grinder and I love it to death. But I want to keep the P-series in mind for anyone in my life that shows an interest in coffee but doesn't want to invest a lot of money. I'm glad to see a good option that's really budget friendly
I bought a K6 just before these were released and I'm kind of glad I did. I would have had a hard time justifying the K6 over one of these, but I'm glad I have external adjustments. It truly is amazing the difference each step up in grinders has made my coffee. I went from blade to a Skerton to the K6 and each time has left me shocked.
When you pulled out the cordless drill I was laughing! I did that about 10 years ago at work and the people that walked through the break room thought I was nuts. I didn't want to spend 5 minutes turning a crank. It was the fat glass Hario crank version. I found a nut type thing that was the same thread but a smooth top to it. Attach the drill, it worked great! Thanks for rekindling a memory James!
I have the K6, which is one of their higher end grinders. It’s priced at the more budget friendly price range compared to every other brand and the K6 can match the quality of my 64mm flat burr espresso grinder. It’s crazy what this company has done in terms of quality for cost.
I have a P1, found it at amazon when i was looking for a cheap grinder and i've been using it for a couple of months now alongside a v60 and the combo consistently makes amazing coffee for me
@@luiscar2000000 hey man I only have a v60 and an aeropress (I use aero for cold brews). it was a bit of a trial and error for me at first to find best setting for my everyday bean/roast but I try to stay around 45 to 50 clicks for v60 (paper filters) and a little lower for aeropress (prismo). i find it a bit cumbersome to clean it and that's really my only grievance with it but i just go to town with the brush that (i think) came with it until i feel its clean enough
@@luiscar2000000 RDT! It takes care of the static and reduces clumping, especially when grinding finer. Also, don't go by the grind size recommendations ("clicks") from KINGrinder for the P series. I think the published settings are for the K series grinders as of January. Personally I started at around 30 clicks for pourover and took guesses depending on the coffee I'm grinding. 33~ish works for grocery store medium roast I make at at work with dollar store filter.
I was lucky enough to have this as a Christmas present from my son. First of all we like your channel and respect your knowledge and recommendations. My son is more advanced than me on the art of coffee. I was a little mystified on how you set it having never used a hand grinder but once I got my head round that I made a coffee using my V60 and compared with my old electric grinder, well there wasn't a comparison the KinGrinder gave me a vastly better coffee with very even grinds. I ought to be fair my old grinder was ceramic and has been used pretty much every day for 10 years. I am now another step up to a better daily coffee. Disclaimer, I am probably not expert enough to differentiate the difference between mine and a £200 grinder. Thanks a lot for all your help in improving my daily coffee moment. PS Like your book too.
Great review! I've been using their K6 for over 3 years now and it's been flawless. Very sturdy build, fine adjustments and homogeneus ground. For the price (560rmb on taobao, about 78USD), it's hard to beat. I recommended it to 2 friends and they had similar good experience.
I bought my P2 a good 4 months ago after chipping my Porlex's ceramic burrs, and I have to say this is hands down a great grinder. I personaly dont see myself upgrading to anything else until this breaks down (in which I doubt it will due to surviving multiple drops from my clumsy self and still working perfectly fine). I don't do espresso so I cant really speak from experiance there but it does amazing for everything else! My only complaint it being limited to about 18-20 grams of beans, but other than that- its been great for its price point 🙌
I'm using the P2 for espresso for a few months now.. It's easy to calibrate & fast grinding.. 50s-55s for 17g medium light roasted.. Really surprised the performance for its price..🤯
I bought the Kingrinder k6 not long ago and have been loving it. It can pretty easily do espresso, but also has been giving me lovely filter coffee and french presses. I was tempted to buy the P1 at first, but I had heard it's not as good for espresso so decided to go for the more expensive model instead. Still, if you're very new to the space, and haven't done a ton of research, the P series seems like a no-brainer to me. It's good enough to where it'll be noticeably better and might get someone more excited to try different kinds of beans and techniques
@@Etherkai I just started with the grind setting on the little pamflet, it was 150 I think, then dialed in finer to around 140-143. It'll depend on many factors though like which coffee it is, how long you steep, etc
James if I could offer an alternative option, please consider reviewing the Kingrinder K6! I know why you chose the P model, however that said if you were to pit the K6 against the likes of Comandante C40 and 1Zpresso K Ultra series I’m certain you would be shocked even more . They often sell it on Amazon for $99, I personally bought one over said brands and couldn’t be happier. Maybe you will accept my challenge 😊
I just posted similarly. I think the K6 is on par with some of the much more expensive models and especially when you compare actual cups of coffee I think he would really struggle to find distinct differences. $30->$100 is a lot more negotiable on a budget than $30->$287 to me. You even get external adjustment and probably a better espresso cup at that point.
@@Yname6534 it really is a delightful grinder, I would prefer if it if the K6 did reset at true “Zero” but for $99 and a little math on my part it’s something not to complain about really.
I went through several handheld grinders and settled on the TIMEMORE Chestnut C2 Manual Coffee Grinder (25g capacity). It has a Stainless Steel Conical Burr. It produces a uniform grind with minimal residual fine/dust particles. It's all metal and feels really good in the hand. I don't have the equipment to measure the grind particles, but visually the grounds look uniform without an noticeably large chunks. I purchased it on Amazon (US) for $50 a few years ago and use it at least once a day for the last 20 months. The grind quality is pretty much unchanged since it was new. It's a little more expensive today, but it does go on sale from time-to-time.
Definitely exciting. I'd like to give the Harrio it's due credit though. Before I could get any equipment, I was given a super old one as a hand me down and it showed me the beginning of the path to better coffee. It represented a great value until now.
And you have a fantastic pepper/spice mill now! Really, it is fabulous for peppercorns and hard seed type spices up to the size of coffee beans, cardamom pods one thing I think better handled with a blade (the inner seeds are solid for a grinder but the pods are stringy and not great in burr grinders).
@@Catheidan The next more expensive model, the K2, is still going for 88$, which is the price I saw it at right after this video posted. I ordered it yesterday, and tried it out for the first time this morning. Yeah, I DO like it more than my previous hand grinder. (A porlex mini.) It gets through the beans more than twice as fast, and crank more smoothly, with less force. The only downside I've hit so far is that it's more than twice the heft. One of the major points of a hand grinder is to be something I can throw in my luggage for travel. More-than-doubling the weight matters. For now, that's all I've noticed so far.
@@SamBrownBaudot i own the K2 for some time, got it at 50 euros back in the days, ans it is amazing. The build is like a 200 euros grinder, all metal, it feels like it can survive a nuclear bomb.
Looks like the P series product line will not likely be available thanks to a patent lawsuit from a German company. Though unconfirmed the lawsuit is rumored to be from Comandante.
This video convinced me to seek out a Kingrinder, and I managed to pick up a P2 for £28. Might be one of the best bang for buck purchases I've ever made. I've barely started my journey of discovery into better coffee at home, but it has made such a difference.
James you should definitely do a tierlists of sorts one day! Maybe of Grinders, brewing methods, Coffee processes/regions/varieties, etc etc etc! So much fun!
The timing of this video is great, I just got a new Kingrinder K6 last week! Upgraded from my trusty Timemore C2 Chestnut which served me well for almost 3 years. I paid 90€ for it, it has a way better adjustment system and I wonder if this could maybe even compete with the Comandante. Maybe worth doing another hand grinder buying guide for 2024? 🤔
Keep coming back to this, but the US amazon link goes to a page that says the product is unavailable. It's been two months now. Still unavailable. What the hell KinGrinder?
I have had a kingrinder k2 and k6 for a year or 2. They are fantastic. I used them for espresso and had great results, especially with the k6. I'm not surprised the p1 is great for the money.
There are 2 others comments here that say it does, but on amazon a verified buyer said it doesn't fit. Diameter on US Amazon is 1.96" (49.78mm) and 5cm/50mm on the EU Amazon. I've just measured my Aeropress Original inner plunger diameter and it's 50mm exactly (1 reddit comment corroborates this). So if it does fit, it does so snugly.
I have been using the kingrinder k1 for 2 years daily and it has been great. It is from the same company at around similar price point. Although it is my first grinder and I have nothing to compare it to, but I have nothing to complain.
I hope you know that something that's "wrong" with you is pretty much the only thing I watch this channel for. I'm not a "coffee person". Well, I am in that I drink a lot of it, but usually I make cheap low-effort perk coffee. I first watched this channel because my brother is weird about his coffee, and a little judgy about my coffee choices. I just wanted to understand a bit better what was so good about good coffee. Something about your joy and excitement of coffee is wholesome and endearing. So much so that I just watched a video about hand grinders when I know I'll likely never anything-grind my own coffee personally because I know I'd enjoy you being exited about it.
"200 is a lot more than 33" is the sort of in-depth analysis I love from James
1,000,200 is not much more than 1,000,033.
yes, he is obsessed with precision 🙂
6:33 Timestamp going from 48 seconds to 50 seconds for "a bit more bonus coffee" is exactly a nerdy editing detail I watch this channel for
I came down here looking for this comment 😂
Thank you for pointing this out! I love these things!
It's the quiet humor that really elevates the entire video.
Its the charts and data then sold out sheeesh
Haha I noticed that too! Great attention to detail
10 minutes after this vid went live and it's sold out for US at least. GG, James.
Yep I’m quite sad now
Insane. I flipped the first table I came across
Sold out on UK site too
Canada too.
And he didn't do it as an affiliate, what a baller
This is my favourite Makita tool review channel
xD Underrated comment 😂
😂 underrated comment
I have an attachment for my 1/8" collet size tool for sharpening welding TIG rods... has a bunch of holes for feeding the Tungsten rods in at whatever angle you want them sharpened to... much cheaper and works well for way way way way less than the thousands of dollars a dedicated tungsten sharpener costs.
I had started, but not finished, this video two months back. I clicked on it again today, while it was loading I came down to the comments, right as I read this it loads and he’s just got a Makita drill hooked up to the grinder
I've been using a KINGrinder K2 for the last 4 months. I love the quality and the grind variability. After looking through CoffeeUA-cam, I was almost convinced that I would never be able to make good drinks at home for less than thousands of dollars. After watching many hours of coffee UA-cam and understanding what was important about dialing in, I would go to my local favorite cafe and order a flat white once a week and come home and make myself 3-4 more drinks to try and replicate their drink. I would say that after 2 weeks, I got the espresso right and that the milk frothing took me three weeks to get right. And now, armed with a KINGrinder K2, De'Longhi Stilosa EC260BK and a few budget accessories (tamper, distribution tool and good cups) I can make espresso drinks that are comparable to all the best shops in Dallas, TX and even impress my barista friends that work with big money industrial machines.
I can make beautiful and delicious espresso drinks at home with a total spend of near $200. The KINGrinder K2 was the key to unlock my home scientist process to replicate the drinks from local cafes within about 5 grind attempts.
Thats awesome to hear! Also love how you described the proces of getting the taste just right to compete with the best shops!
Super inspiring!! You should make your own video 🙏😊🙏
Feel a bit dense ... what is CoffeeUA-cam? 😅 I didn't find a channel named that way, so are referring to the collective coffee UA-camrs? Or the best ones or ... haha. I know to follow James, but otherwise, I'm a bit at sea ...😅
Great work but in all honesty, it should be better, cafe baristas ain’t got us.
I have the same model and man, it is a great piece.
I use it for my moka pot and it works perfectly fine.
I literally got this exact grinder yesterday as a mere act of faith as there were not many reviews of it and I will not be able to purchase another grinder for quite some time (hard to get online sold products in my country)
As a beginner coffee nerd, seeing this video uploaded the very next day by none other than James Hoffman was one of the happiest moments for me in a long time.
Saw the video while drinking my second v60 poured using this grinder with a huge smile on my face. ❤️
Doubly lucky - since this vid dropped, the grinder is sold out evrywhere
the issue I think is that 1Zpresso and KinGrinder are pretty much match for match in their price points with little "difference" if you will
Better than my experience with my first grinder, I got one of those cheap on amazon, as soon as I opened the package James uploaded the review comparison of different cheap grinders, guess which one was the last?
Same here, got one about 5 months ago and at the time there were only reviews praising the brand but not this specific one.
How do you like it so far? I was looking at the k4. Which unit did u buy? Do u drink espresso or filter? Thank you for your kind reply.
Pro tip for anyone with an old Hario mini mill lying around. It's probably the best black pepper grinder I've ever used. But only do that if you've retired it from coffee, since it makes for spicy brews (as I found out the hard way).
I agree! They grind pepper way faster than normal pepper mills
ooh try it with sichuan peppercorns to get that mala profile
And there are some barbecue rubs that use coffee for beef brisket or steaks. So, you could grind your peppercorns and your coffee for a great barbecue.
Same here! I found one for 3 bucks at the thrift store without the bottom cup and it's the best coffee grinder ever. Grinding fresh black pepper for a whole pot of soup is finally reasonable
Argh you got to it before me ;) I posted the same comment
I really appreciate the evolution of your channel from "spend more money its worth it" to "I am so giddy to find something special and affordable" *product sells out in minutes*
I just want to share some of my experience here:
I'm a barista from Brazil, and here our wages start around R$2K a month (which translates to USD 390, EU 360 and BP 310)... so not a lot of money to buy coffee accessories from other countries. White label Chinese grinders (very similar to this one or Timemore products) have been good for a while, and specialty grade national coffee is quite accessible making the best result for something that an average Brazilian can enjoy.
Fala mano, tudo bem?
Fiquei interessado em saber mais dessas marcas chinesas que você falou, poderia recomendar alguma?
@@mathgccunha cara sao justamente produtos sem marca. Na verdade sao empresas que vendem pra outras empresas colocarem suas marcas e por isso recebem o nome de white label. Pra encontrar no Ali procura "cnc grinder dual bearing"!
Cheers from Europe. Brazilian coffee is my favorite.
That "Ooh Bonus Coffee" and updated volume stamp was thoroughly satisfying 🤣
This video is a demonstration of two things:
1) investment aside, if a group has interest in developing an idea, it will be slowly optimized to cost either the same for higher quality, or cost less for the same result;
2) law of diminishing returns, as is true to many products, means that paying X times more does NOT mean 3 times better performance.
It is an amazing video!
It doesn't help that Comandante has done literally nothing for innovation in grinders in 10 years except for trying to sue other grinder companies out of business for dubious patent infringements.
@@amunak_ that's basically has been the story of western industries in general for the past 5 decades, and is the reason why we are where we are right now. Arrogance and hubris and protectionism are slowly making every facet of production and research non-competitive
The difficulty is determining where the point of diminishing returns actually is. And of course companies, shill reviewers, and over-enthusiastic 'ambassadors' want to push that point higher. It's difficult to suss the truth out if you're rather ignorant of a topic (as I am of coffee).
"Take particle analysis with a grain of salt" What size grain, James
underrated analytical chemistry joke
@@Blargaha wouldn't say it's a chemistry joke at all. Grain sizes are a thing in quite a lot day to day fields
@@Blargaha has nothing to do with chemical analysis. It's just joking about grain size which is what particle analysis is doing. The size.
@@pjhenry1216 my dude, I have experience of PSA, particle size analysis, as a method in analytical chemistry.
I thought it worked well as a PSA joke. But please, explain more of my experience to me.
@@UlasCanDemirtas Being overly anal about grain size is more common in science fields like chemistry, where variables are under strict control
I was once on a drill rig in the middle of a mine in the middle of nowhere mexico and the driller made me a cup of coffee using a hand grinder attached to a power drill and an aeropress. Considering the circumstances, best cup of coffee I have ever had.
You don't have to lie to kick it
I bought the K6 KINGrinder 2 years ago @ $99 after a year of research. I LOVE LOVE LOVE IT! It also doubles as a weapon if you’re burgled; it’s a friggin’ tank!
OMG! Seeing James Hoffmann use a hand drill on his coffee grinder means I don't have to sneak out to the garage to do mine anymore! Thanks, James!
James is finally catching up with the elite budget handgrinders us peasants have been using for years
What are some other good examples? Or is there a good list somewhere or a YTer that reviews these regularly?
@@0_uch Lance Hedrick Here in YT
@@0_uch The K2 is also incredible. I love mine.
I'm loving my timemore c3
Also have the k2 value is insane on that one
Please test all three KinGrinders side by side, P0 P1 P2 and analyze their particle sizes, that would be fascinating!
Add a selection of the 1ZPresso grinders and you are on your way to a great test!
I'd be more interested in comparing the k-series to the p-series. ie. If the P series makes a lot of fines, does the metal body of the K series improve on it?
My guess is the biggest difference would be the speed it grinds, and otherwise, it's entry level with similar design so I doubt it would make any taste-able differences.
@@nyatalia P series has metal skeleton to ensure precision so I don't think K series can do much better, K0/K1 in the current state is probably just more durable and look nicer, rather than grind better.
Other than that, I think the difference between P and K would be similar to grinding with more constant or more varying speed, as the skeleton might wobble more in a plastic shell than in metal shell.
@@FlameRat_YehLon Even compared to a metal skeleton, the aluminum shell rigidity might increase general rigidity. We're talking deflection on the micron scale, so I definitely think it could have some effect.
"There's something wrong with me...but why am I confessing that to you?"
Oh, James, we already knew that. But that's also the appeal.
i'm here for his extreme nerdery. even if i don't really drink coffee, and therefore understand what he's talking about
@@K.Arashi Neither did I when I started watching Mr H. I'm now well down the rabbit hole :)
We love him BECAUSE of his idiosyncrasies, not in spite of them.
He’s a nerd’s nerd
He’s head of the Nerd Herd
He’s Nerdvana
This is a popular brand in Asia (China, Hong Kong, Taiwan etc.). They have the "premium" range named K1-K6, all metal construction. I have the K6. I do not have equipment to do scientific tests but I use it interchangeably with my C40 and I can only say, they taste very similarly.
I'd love to see a p0, p1, p2 comparison with the particle analyser and cupping!
Yes!!!
The home barista community definitely needs these kind of videos. Just read any reddit discussion around coffee equipment and you see how captured everybody has been by the industry. People believe that you need to spend 1000+ for an espresso setup, which is not a very inclusive mindset. Its actually a very consumerist and destructive view.
You can even make great espresso with your old nescafe machine, with an handgrinder like this and a reusable stainless steel capsule.
there is great irony in James, who literally sells coffee stuff for a living, being more honest than all the random people on youtube.
Well he sells being a sort of authentic voice in the space. If people would see him as compromised he wouldn't have a leg to stand on@@IsaacIsaacIsaacson
I am perfectly happy with my sub $200 thermoblock. Most of the accessories from aliexpress are well made. Grinders getting cheaper day by day. Nowadays it should be easily possible to have a compelling espresso setup for less than $500 without having to rely on second hand. Probably $300-400 if you go for this grinder.
I might add a second hand flair for good espresso on the cheap, but really to anyone with any passing interest in coffee I immediately recommend an aeropress. I use a stainless filter on mine and 6-10 min immersion extractions, for the flavor I like, but it's so versatile, easy to use, easy to clean, and it limits how much nice coffee you go through by not having half litre cups..
Well if your going to discuss how 'inclusive' expensive coffee products are. This hand grinder isn't exactly inclusive to people missing an arm is it. Imagine asking a one armed person to make the coffee and giving them this grinder to use 🤔
James, i think it is time to revisit the current state of hand grinder. Timemore has done so much since the last time you reviewed hand grinder and provided us many customers with cheaper choices for fine espresso grind (still use Timemore Chestnut C3 Nano & agree that it is arduous & painful task to grind as fine as Turkish Coffee kind of fine, but they have been quite enjoyable for manual espresso maker - no need to be too fine, just salt-like). Also, as an owner of Hario MSS-1DTB Slim grinder, I don't use it anymore since i got Cafec Tsubame TM-18 Mill, done much better results for a ceramic burr and it has been my favourite for pour over ever since.
Absolutely, I feel like James is a few years behind on grinder innovation. Stuff like the Miicoffee/Turin SD40/DF54, Kingrinder K6, Timemore series have come leaps and bounds for good prices.
Timemore C3s pro, excellent for my Aeropress brew.
Love my timemore i bought after James’ hand grinder review video a long while ago
I got a C2 a few years ago when I was trying to get into good light roast coffee with my Aeropress because I wanted a good grind profile for less than $100 and I think it made the biggest difference in my coffee brewing by far. Definitely one of my favorite coffee brewing tools.
I agree! Though, even for me the number of options is intimidating. I’ll get there though
James's personality really came out in this video. He made me chuckle several times. I wasn't even halfway interested in a hand grinder but enjoyed the video nonetheless. Thanks for lightening my day James!
Thank you James. How lovely to see such enthusiasm.
As someone who has not the space, nor the money, I am limited to hand grinders and coffee made using cafetières, mokka pots, Delter press and drip coffee.
Thank you James. I just bought the KinGrinder P1, a V60 and some proper beans as my first non capsule coffee and i LOVE IT. It's night and day. Now, my old capsules just taste like hot water with some bitterness. I didn't know coffee could be so delicious. Thank you for starting me on this journey
I moved from a $30 Hario Slim to a $100 Kingrinder K6, and boy the jump in grind quality was enormous. I didn't know their $30-range grinders performed so well, I might have considered it. But the overall metal build of K6 feels amazing, and I don't see myself replacing it for years to come. Also, the sound of removing the bottom chamber sounds like removing an m4 silencer in Counterstrike -- a joy to my ears and overall morning coffee routine.
I also have the K6 it feels so nice and premium.
Same! It was crazy how easier grinding become from 2 minutes down to 30 seconds somehow. Also it's heavy, so you can use in a fight, which is a neat bonus.
Made the same upgrade, couldn't resist the "sexy" external adjustment.
Before that I bought an eletrical one (Baratza Encore ESP) and I would surely reconsider buying an eletrical one if I knew a decent handgrinder can be so fast and not painful compared to the Hario
Using the K6 for almost 3 years, even bring for outdoor brewing,best value for money
The external adjustment was what sold me to Kingrinder K6 (aside from steel burrs and an all metal construction). Those tiny mechanical "ticks" while finalizing the grind size are sooo therapeutic 😆😆😆
Watching James grind coffee with a Makita is peak coffee 🌽
This is what i watch this for…
And talking through his process of calibrating drill speed to hand speed. That was the highlight for me from this vid.
For my money, James' Squarespace advert with the barbershop quartet on the Makita video was peak coffee.
I bought a KinGrinder K6 and it’s superb. Indeed, the wooden knob feels luxurious on the K6, too. Try it out, I bet you’ll love it.
I have K6 too and I like it a lot, while ordering I saw about the future release of P series but didn't want to wait.
I love K6 materials but reduced size and weight would be appreciated for camping where I mostly use a hand grinder
k6 is goated
I have been using a K6 to grind coffee at work for about a year and it doesn't show any signs of wear. Pourover beds were quite muddy to start but that has improved.
I've been using my DeWalt drill for years with my hand grinder and honestly, this has made me feel so validated.
I drink terrible watered down breakroom coffee like it's the elixir of eternal life and I still find your videos really captivating. It's nice that you enjoy the finer things without being a snob about the cheaper things.
I loved the vibe in this video James. You were clearly having so much fun and I feel lifted having watched it.
I have a Kingrinder K6 (their higher end grinder) and I absolutely love it. I use it for both espresso in my Flair Classic, and for pour overs in a V60 and I love the coffee I get from both of them. It has about 240 steps (according to the Kingrinder literature each step is a 16 micron adjustment), but I’ve never really gone coarser than 70-80. I feel like there’s about 10 steps between 40-50 that are usable for espresso.
Agreed, the K6 is incredible.
For espresso, mine chokes my Bambino at 42 or 43 clicks from zero on most beans, so I usually start at 45.
For pourover I've gone as high as 105 in a Kalita Wave, but the 65-90 range does well most of the time in V60 and other conical ones.
I m using the K4 (I think that's their espresso optimized model) and it's absolutely excellent. I don't think it d be simple to pick apart in a blind test among the very high end hand grinders, and I got it around 100E in a big sale. Built like a tank, can adjust grind size using the dial on top instead of fiddling with the bottom dial covered in ground like with the P1 or the C40. Overall, unbeatable value.
Anyone with any advise if I’m using a Hario switch with the k6? I’ve tried 100, 90 and 85 clicks, but am still experiencing sourness, should I be going finer?
@@joellow8605 I use a hario v60, and I’m generally in more of the 60-70 range, but it does depend a bit on the coffee you’re using, dosing, etc. I would guess that you should try going finer, Mr. Hoffman himself has a great video on dialing in pour over recipes, I believe he talks pretty extensively on it in his V60 recipe video, check it out!
@@joellow8605 I don't think your 90 is the same as everybody else's, and especially if you disassemble it to clean it, unless you put it back the exact same way, the zero point ll be different by a bit. Clicks should serve as your own point of reference, not to compare with others. (Source: Been there, wasted a lot of coffee that way!).
A couple notes. The KINGrinder grinders usually come with an additional gasket that can be swapped out that allows the lid to be used with a drill. At least, the k lineup does; I'm not sure about the p lineup.
Also, the k0 and p0 burrs are copies of the Timemore C2 burr. The other burrs in their lineup may be copies of other popular hand grinders also. The p0 has the same burrs as k0, and p1 the same as k1. p2 has a new burr that's like a mini version of the k6 / k5. The p and k lines are otherwise the same, afaik, except p is plastic, k is aluminum, k has a bigger catch cup and and 40 clicks per rotation compared to p's 30 clicks.
Edit: I said the p2 burr was the same as the k2 and that's entirely false, so I fixed that, above.
Oh, that's interesting that they expect you to possibly use a drill. That's what killed my Hario a few years ago. Ended up with a C2 to replace.
@@NatenNator It's not an expectation. It's just an option it was designed for.
Edit: oh I see that "possibly" now
@@fragmentalstew yeah, I don't think Hario thought of the possibility of a drill 😂
Your bit on the P2 is absolutely wrong. The K2 is a Hexagonal (6-blade) burr. The P2 is a Heptagonal (7-blade) burr, more like a miniature K6. Outside the line, it’s more comparable to the 1zPresso Q Air, which makes it an insanely more interesting grinder.
The K2, K3, & K4 all share the same burr shape. The K2’s burr is uncoated while the K3/K4 are coated. The K4 has external adjustment while the K3’s is internal.
Kingrinder’s naming scheme is just stupid. It’s only good for keeping track of which models are the upsell. Don’t rely on their nomenclature to tell you what they’re supposed to compare to.
@@dotbot3827 thanks. I think I used to know that and forgot. I'll edit my comment and hope that UA-cam doesn't get upset about that.
I'm going to comment having only read the title of this video because this is the exact grinder I have been using for the past 3 months, and is my first and only ever experience with a coffee grinder. I wanted a 1Zpresso after watching your and others videos, but couldn't justify the cost.
Now I can't justify the upgrade because the P1 is rock solid for people like myself. Someone who wants a hand grinder but isn't concerned about dialing in the best possible grind - moreso just wants something satisfying to use that gets the job done. Which is exactly what it is.
For a couple of years, I have sung the praise of getting into coffee GEAR cheap and then spending the real money on good beans. Timemore C2/3 and Aeropress have been my recommended first steps to a few friends. I'm glad to see even MORE options for po' folk to drink fancy.
I bought a Kingrinder K6 last year, luckily on a big-discount day over at Bezostown. I love it. Worlds better than the other cheap hand grinders I've owned.
I have the K6 and its an awesome piece that gets you high end performance and features for mid range prices.
... twenty four minutes after this video went live, and only TWO left on the Amazonian UK website... New World Record!!! 🥳
Now currently unavailable on the UK site :)
I can picture it having been up for weeks, if not months, selling at a reasonable pace that they can keep up with. Then, POOF!! All gone in under an hour. I wonder how many they sold? 🤣🤣
None left on Amazon US either
Everyone loves a bargain.
All gone in .ca as well
All I can say, is that I am soooooo glad I bought my Kingrinder K4 like 6 months ago. James for sure just increased the price of all of these grinders substantially.
And finally today the Kingrinder P2 that I ordered arrived in Colombia, I immediately saw your video. I hope to be able to calibrate it to my Delonghi Icona Vintage machine since it is the first time I use it. Thank you for this video and do not discourage new lovers of the world of coffee with expensive and in some cases unattainable machines.
Drinking coffee is great, but drinking coffee while watching James Hoffman is even greater.
Was literally doing the same.
Spot on
yep, me too. after grinding my beans.
What are yall drinking? I’m about to brew some Sumatra
*grinder
Looks a lot like my Timemore. Which has been fantastic. So I'd also recommend that as an option.
I bought a P0 a month after launch, and £22 truly is an unforgettably forgettable amount of money for the nice coffee it's making me.
I bought a K0 shortly after starting with an Aeropress and I don't have anything to compare it with, but I love it and the coffee I've never enjoyed the coffee I make this much. I believe the K0 and P0 share the same burr.
Got one for a family member and liked it so much I got one for me too. What’s $20?
@@cameronwest5941 dang, i wish i could say that! where i live and for how much i earn $20 is a third of my monthly grocery bill. i splurged for a Timemore C2 during the pandemic and it will have to last my lifetime because it was a month's rent for me
I also bought the P0 and so far I enjoy it very much, makes very nice espresso
"Unforgettably forgettale" cracked me a bit up
I bought the K6 thanks to the information on sites like this. Freshly ground beans, pour over. Already a giant improvement over the wasteful expensive Nespresso i used to make. From here it's learning what kind of beans i like, finding local roasters, improving storage, pouring methods and getting an espresso machine. Thank you for all your information James!
I’m stuck between $100 k6 & $44 p2. Any tips or insight?
@@Jaygoesin i you know you never going to make espresso the P2 seems like a fine choice. if you ever want to make very finely ground coffee like Turkish or espresso i would probably go with the K6.
@@soluna2252 I am specifically looking for one for espresso
Had one for like 6 months now, use it with an Aeropress at like half the adjustment level, around 15. Its been incredible!! best coffee in my life!!
I just bought a cheap hand grinder and it's def been an upgrade over my cheap electric grinder. You save money on the electronics, allowing the makers to put more into the grind itself.
I'm not ready to pay more for a grinder than my espresso machine lol, so this my only real option tbh
You pretty much just pay for the burr with handgrinders
I did spend more on my grinder than espresso machine😂😂
@@JoseCinnamon that is how you should do it. the grinder is more important than the machine
I got lucky with a barista encore for 7 bucks at a thrift store that needed a couple parts replaced - which they sell. But yeah, you'd get a lot better grind from a hand grinder at the same pricepoint
Depends a bit on the price brackets. Five (or more) years ago I bought a commandante and still use it. It was 350€ back then. Now I bought a DF64 gen 2 for approx the same price. It’s still shipping so I don’t know how it compares, but if you’re willing to spend $400 on a grinder then the electric ones come in range.
I picked up a Kingrinder K 4 last year for espresso, and it's been fantastic. Burr adjustment by 16 um per click with an easy external bezel adjustment. All aluminum body with around 30g capacity, so plenty for doubles. A few shots to dial in, but now I'm enjoying pretty decent espresso. The K4 is geared towards espresso with a 48mm burr that has six blades and is specifically targeting espresso making.
it was $119, but with a 30% coupon and reward points, it wound up costing me $46. Well worth it.
Good day. Would you please tell me how you got the coupon? Thank you so very much. May you have many great cups of coffee 2 come.
“It turns beans into pieces of beans”
😂😂😂
Finally, an aspect of coffee I can understand…
@@cheesescientistBro tell me about cheese
First rule of cheese club…
@@cheesescientist ...You don't talk about cheese club..
I've had the k6 for a couple years now, and would highly recommend that if you can scrape up the extra few bucks. It goes on sale all the time for $99, worth every penny. Dial is at top, so super easy to dial in whatever you need. Love it for espresso, takes less than a minute to hand grind and has a drill option built in (looking at you, James).
I have been using a Kingrinder K6, which comes in at $100 or so, for about a year now. The K6 is a great grinder which I use near exclusively for moka (which grinds a lot (and I mean a lot) faster as espresso). I am having very consistent and good results with it. Hard to compare, not so nerdy myself I have a range of handgrinders at home.
I want to echo the commenters who brought up Kingrinder K6. I also own one and couldn't be happier. It's made amazingly well, and using it is very enjoyable.
As for the quality of the coffee made with it, I can definitely say that I was able to enjoy inexpensive dark roast decaf after switching to K6, which wasn't the case before.
I’m with you! I have the K6 and I love it! I use it multiple times a day for both my wife and I. PLUS I use it on my Flair Pro 2 and it is more than serviceable for that. Dollar-for dollar, I can’t imagine anything being better.
I just bought the k6 recently to reply my first grinder which was the Hario. Day and night difference in the grinding experience and results! Still learning to dial in my coffee though.
YES! I imagine James might like the K6. It's build really well and the adjustment mechanism is incredibly satisfying. I was able to get one for 110 euro when it was discounted a few years ago on Aliexpress and couldn't be happier.
K6 is my camping grinder. It makes making coffee such a joy. So quick. I used to have a porex which took forever to grind coffee
How many clicks do you see for Espresso with K6?
Pro tip: 1Zpresso grinders have a 1/4 shank. The shaft fits perfectly into a 6" Diablo drill extension, and it even locks in.
True, i was scared of the potential monster that I have created. But I assure you it is a necessary evil, as it won't even turn with a regular motorized screwdriver which also fits.
It needs the drill.
I was so surprised to see that grinder in James’ s video! Because it looks a lot like my first hand grinder, and wow it is!
It‘s from a Chinese company who specializes in hand grinder. From I gathered, it has two products lines, P0-P3 is more for pour over, K0-K6 is the main line which can be used for espresso, moka pot and pour over etc. I used K3 with my moka pot for a long time, my first fresh coffee grinding experience. I find the price acceptable, and the grinder is quite capable, the coffee is delicious.
The brand is actually quite famous in China’s coffee circle now. I am glad to see it made into broader market.
I've had a kingrinder for 2 years now... It is still doing a fine job, I am happy to repport 😉
I don't use it for expresso but it is really good for filter coffee and aeropress. Also, it is portable, so even if I buy a eletric grinder (lazy mornings make me wish for one), I'll still use it.
I've had my P2 for a few months now. Took the risk for my first hand grinder, over a timemore (wch people often recommend as first hand grinder but I notice they also upgrade from). Have been happy with it! It produces good cups of aeropress coffee and pourover + cleaning is a breeze. I expect to be getting years out of it. Not expecting the P-series to blow up in such a big way, but thanks, James, for the affirmation (because then people will be trying it and newbies like me could learn from a bigger pool of users)
does the p2 fit in the aeropress chamber?
Finally something I can afford :')
...and it's sold out :c
I got one of these a while ago. I love it. I'm not so much of a connoisseur that I could justify spending $100+ on a grinder, but a cheap little guy like this that does pretty well, I'm all for it. It works great.
My Comandante has been going strong for years. I absolutely love it. But it‘s really great to see those cheap but rather high quality alternatives. Might buy one just to see how good it is.
I have mine in a Stanley multi angle vice. It makes the grind so much easier.
At those prices (if they ever come back in stock) you could buy the whole range and use each one dedicated for a single method!
They over tripled the price after your video. Its 129 now and sold out. I hope you update your review and slam them. At $33 great at $129 because they got traffic....hell no
It’s back in stock for normal price
Wow that hurts
Amazon forces prices to increase after the item sells out
That's Amazon dynamic pricing for you
It's back out of stock
I actually use a KINGrinder K6 as my portable/work grinder and I love it to death. But I want to keep the P-series in mind for anyone in my life that shows an interest in coffee but doesn't want to invest a lot of money. I'm glad to see a good option that's really budget friendly
James' ability to nail it in a blind test is incredibly impressive.
I have a KinGrinder 6 and I love it. I use it for v60, aeropress and Turkish, it's perfect for me.
kingrinder k6 just has a comandante c40 burr inside.
james' videos are so full of character, it's impossible not to love them
I bought a K6 just before these were released and I'm kind of glad I did. I would have had a hard time justifying the K6 over one of these, but I'm glad I have external adjustments. It truly is amazing the difference each step up in grinders has made my coffee. I went from blade to a Skerton to the K6 and each time has left me shocked.
How many clicks do you see for Espresso with K6?
When you pulled out the cordless drill I was laughing! I did that about 10 years ago at work and the people that walked through the break room thought I was nuts. I didn't want to spend 5 minutes turning a crank. It was the fat glass Hario crank version. I found a nut type thing that was the same thread but a smooth top to it. Attach the drill, it worked great! Thanks for rekindling a memory James!
I have the K6, which is one of their higher end grinders. It’s priced at the more budget friendly price range compared to every other brand and the K6 can match the quality of my 64mm flat burr espresso grinder. It’s crazy what this company has done in terms of quality for cost.
I have a P1, found it at amazon when i was looking for a cheap grinder and i've been using it for a couple of months now alongside a v60 and the combo consistently makes amazing coffee for me
Do you have any tips? I just got it
@@luiscar2000000 hey man I only have a v60 and an aeropress (I use aero for cold brews). it was a bit of a trial and error for me at first to find best setting for my everyday bean/roast but I try to stay around 45 to 50 clicks for v60 (paper filters) and a little lower for aeropress (prismo). i find it a bit cumbersome to clean it and that's really my only grievance with it but i just go to town with the brush that (i think) came with it until i feel its clean enough
@@luiscar2000000 RDT! It takes care of the static and reduces clumping, especially when grinding finer. Also, don't go by the grind size recommendations ("clicks") from KINGrinder for the P series. I think the published settings are for the K series grinders as of January. Personally I started at around 30 clicks for pourover and took guesses depending on the coffee I'm grinding. 33~ish works for grocery store medium roast I make at at work with dollar store filter.
Sold out! Thank you for all of the amazing rabbit hole of information you make us love!
I was lucky enough to have this as a Christmas present from my son. First of all we like your channel and respect your knowledge and recommendations. My son is more advanced than me on the art of coffee. I was a little mystified on how you set it having never used a hand grinder but once I got my head round that I made a coffee using my V60 and compared with my old electric grinder, well there wasn't a comparison the KinGrinder gave me a vastly better coffee with very even grinds. I ought to be fair my old grinder was ceramic and has been used pretty much every day for 10 years. I am now another step up to a better daily coffee. Disclaimer, I am probably not expert enough to differentiate the difference between mine and a £200 grinder. Thanks a lot for all your help in improving my daily coffee moment. PS Like your book too.
Great review! I've been using their K6 for over 3 years now and it's been flawless. Very sturdy build, fine adjustments and homogeneus ground. For the price (560rmb on taobao, about 78USD), it's hard to beat. I recommended it to 2 friends and they had similar good experience.
I bought my P2 a good 4 months ago after chipping my Porlex's ceramic burrs, and I have to say this is hands down a great grinder. I personaly dont see myself upgrading to anything else until this breaks down (in which I doubt it will due to surviving multiple drops from my clumsy self and still working perfectly fine). I don't do espresso so I cant really speak from experiance there but it does amazing for everything else! My only complaint it being limited to about 18-20 grams of beans, but other than that- its been great for its price point 🙌
I'm using the P2 for espresso for a few months now.. It's easy to calibrate & fast grinding.. 50s-55s for 17g medium light roasted.. Really surprised the performance for its price..🤯
I bought the Kingrinder k6 not long ago and have been loving it. It can pretty easily do espresso, but also has been giving me lovely filter coffee and french presses. I was tempted to buy the P1 at first, but I had heard it's not as good for espresso so decided to go for the more expensive model instead. Still, if you're very new to the space, and haven't done a ton of research, the P series seems like a no-brainer to me. It's good enough to where it'll be noticeably better and might get someone more excited to try different kinds of beans and techniques
Mind sharing what grind setting you were on for French press coffee?
@@Etherkai I just started with the grind setting on the little pamflet, it was 150 I think, then dialed in finer to around 140-143. It'll depend on many factors though like which coffee it is, how long you steep, etc
I purchased a P2 for 51$ CAD on Aliexpress. It works soo wonderfully.
i have it too!! did you try it with espresso?
@malygosmozart i have not. I don't have an espresso machine. I do a pour-over
I went with the K6 and love it. Very ez and works well with my picopresso when I travel. Nice Video, Mr James!
Made me happy: I bought 2 of these 6 months ago, and just hook it to my drill for both coffee and spices. Still works like a champ.
I just got chestnut c3s pro, after using hario slim for 10 years, the difference is night and day
James if I could offer an alternative option, please consider reviewing the Kingrinder K6! I know why you chose the P model, however that said if you were to pit the K6 against the likes of Comandante C40 and 1Zpresso K Ultra series I’m certain you would be shocked even more . They often sell it on Amazon for $99, I personally bought one over said brands and couldn’t be happier.
Maybe you will accept my challenge 😊
Agreed, I recently bought the K6 as it's Lance Hedricks recommended budget (ish) grinder. It's absolutely blown me away
I just posted similarly. I think the K6 is on par with some of the much more expensive models and especially when you compare actual cups of coffee I think he would really struggle to find distinct differences. $30->$100 is a lot more negotiable on a budget than $30->$287 to me. You even get external adjustment and probably a better espresso cup at that point.
@@Yname6534 it really is a delightful grinder, I would prefer if it if the K6 did reset at true “Zero” but for $99 and a little math on my part it’s something not to complain about really.
@@DAYochelson For sure!
I’ve had my K6 for a week and I am blown away by what I have got for my £88. Completely changed the game for me without breaking the bank.
I went through several handheld grinders and settled on the TIMEMORE Chestnut C2 Manual Coffee Grinder (25g capacity). It has a Stainless Steel Conical Burr. It produces a uniform grind with minimal residual fine/dust particles. It's all metal and feels really good in the hand. I don't have the equipment to measure the grind particles, but visually the grounds look uniform without an noticeably large chunks. I purchased it on Amazon (US) for $50 a few years ago and use it at least once a day for the last 20 months. The grind quality is pretty much unchanged since it was new. It's a little more expensive today, but it does go on sale from time-to-time.
Today, I just got my Kingrinder P2 from AliExpress, I love it, it feels quality
8:59 Thank goodness for James' expressive hand gestures making that graphic possible!
Definitely exciting. I'd like to give the Harrio it's due credit though. Before I could get any equipment, I was given a super old one as a hand me down and it showed me the beginning of the path to better coffee. It represented a great value until now.
And you have a fantastic pepper/spice mill now! Really, it is fabulous for peppercorns and hard seed type spices up to the size of coffee beans, cardamom pods one thing I think better handled with a blade (the inner seeds are solid for a grinder but the pods are stringy and not great in burr grinders).
...and INSTANTLY out of stock on Amazon.
And resellers selling it for absurd prices. I saw prices over a hundred bucks
@@Catheidan The next more expensive model, the K2, is still going for 88$, which is the price I saw it at right after this video posted.
I ordered it yesterday, and tried it out for the first time this morning. Yeah, I DO like it more than my previous hand grinder. (A porlex mini.) It gets through the beans more than twice as fast, and crank more smoothly, with less force. The only downside I've hit so far is that it's more than twice the heft. One of the major points of a hand grinder is to be something I can throw in my luggage for travel. More-than-doubling the weight matters. For now, that's all I've noticed so far.
Still available on amazon italy
@@SamBrownBaudot i own the K2 for some time, got it at 50 euros back in the days, ans it is amazing. The build is like a 200 euros grinder, all metal, it feels like it can survive a nuclear bomb.
There are dozens of clones, it is the same grinder with a different name
Looks like the P series product line will not likely be available thanks to a patent lawsuit from a German company. Though unconfirmed the lawsuit is rumored to be from Comandante.
This video convinced me to seek out a Kingrinder, and I managed to pick up a P2 for £28. Might be one of the best bang for buck purchases I've ever made. I've barely started my journey of discovery into better coffee at home, but it has made such a difference.
The updated grind time due to the bonus coffee, the sliding greatness scale.. I just love the editing!
1:32 love the Bo Burnham reference!
Yes!
James you should definitely do a tierlists of sorts one day! Maybe of Grinders, brewing methods, Coffee processes/regions/varieties, etc etc etc! So much fun!
It looks the price of the P1 has been drastically increased within minutes of the review hitting youtube.
Proof that membership to this channel is economically meaningful
I barely drink coffee, I'm certainly no expert, but I love the enthusiasm and sheer nerdiness!
A year ago I upgraded from the Timemore C2 to the KINgrinder K6 and honestly I’ve never looked back nor have I looked at buying a new/other grinder.
The timing of this video is great, I just got a new Kingrinder K6 last week! Upgraded from my trusty Timemore C2 Chestnut which served me well for almost 3 years.
I paid 90€ for it, it has a way better adjustment system and I wonder if this could maybe even compete with the Comandante.
Maybe worth doing another hand grinder buying guide for 2024? 🤔
I just realised why it's called that.
It's short for "where's the 'kin grinder?"
Keep coming back to this, but the US amazon link goes to a page that says the product is unavailable. It's been two months now. Still unavailable. What the hell KinGrinder?
I have had a kingrinder k2 and k6 for a year or 2. They are fantastic. I used them for espresso and had great results, especially with the k6. I'm not surprised the p1 is great for the money.
Love the nice, wide main shot and calming background.
Does it fit inside an Aeropress' plunger?
Good question ❤
That was one of the first questions that came to my mind hahahahahah
There are 2 others comments here that say it does, but on amazon a verified buyer said it doesn't fit. Diameter on US Amazon is 1.96" (49.78mm) and 5cm/50mm on the EU Amazon. I've just measured my Aeropress Original inner plunger diameter and it's 50mm exactly (1 reddit comment corroborates this). So if it does fit, it does so snugly.
@@kimosapien4344 Nowadays, I'd rather consider the 1zpresso q air for the same task of "Aeropress travel companion".
Yes it does
I don't even drink coffee. Why am I watching this?
Why wouldn't you? It's JAMES! :)
I also don’t get into coffee. I keep watching to try and figure out if James is 25 or 55.
@@merchfanBoth. It’s a phenomenon we in physics call „Schroedinger‘s Hoffmann“.
yes
Michael Jackson!!!! Dude I love your music
Does the P1 fit inside an Aeropress for travel? That's the question.
Came here to ask this, knowing in my heart of hearts it had already been asked. :)
No!
@@hardvice No!
I have been using the kingrinder k1 for 2 years daily and it has been great. It is from the same company at around similar price point. Although it is my first grinder and I have nothing to compare it to, but I have nothing to complain.
I hope you know that something that's "wrong" with you is pretty much the only thing I watch this channel for. I'm not a "coffee person". Well, I am in that I drink a lot of it, but usually I make cheap low-effort perk coffee. I first watched this channel because my brother is weird about his coffee, and a little judgy about my coffee choices. I just wanted to understand a bit better what was so good about good coffee.
Something about your joy and excitement of coffee is wholesome and endearing. So much so that I just watched a video about hand grinders when I know I'll likely never anything-grind my own coffee personally because I know I'd enjoy you being exited about it.