Atmospheric Black Metal Band Debate | Lock Horns (live stream archive)
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LOCK HORNS: ATMOSPHERIC BLACK METAL adds a new branch to our heavy metal family tree. Host Sam Dunn welcomes back guest Blayne Smith for a live debate on the subgenre you've requested most. Join us LIVE on Thursday February 15 at 4pm EST. But don't forget: come ready to fight!
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In summation: If there is a scratchy band logo over a forest landscape on the album cover that looks like it was painted by Bob Ross then you are listening to atmospheric black metal.
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Blayne convinced me to finally look into Blut Aus Nord. That front end of the discography is pure atmospheric black metal in the finest form. Anyone who looks past that band needs their head examined. Thank you for yet another wonderful recommendation, man.
I think they would also fit well on an avant-garde black metal list.
the memoria vestuta trilogy is 100% ABM
@@galosniper7010 I'm going to have a listen to it tonight
One thing I like about them is how much they experiment with their discography. While there’s the distinct Blut Aus Nord qualities, there’s a huge difference between all of their albums, with many taking influence from the unlikeliest of places, like industrial(not industrial metal, just straight up industrial) as well as Illbient and psychedelia.
Panopticon and Agalloch just do it for me...I can't explain it, they're just the best.
We need a DSBM branch, it has every right being on the tree as much as ABM! Xasthur, I Shalt Become, Leviathan, Krohm, Striborg! Need I say more?!
KAYLA S. *cough* Shining *cough*
Silencer my brother
But Leviathan is not dsbm ~
DeliciousDishes how are they not? Have you heard the Tenth Sub Level of SUICIDE?
well first of all *he, because it's just Wrest and second of all, have you heard literally any other album by him? Massive Conspiracy Against All Life is definitely not one, A Silhouette in Splinters is an ambient record and Scar Sighted isn't one either, since that is much more heavily influenced by his other project Lurker of Chalice. True Traitor, True Whore and Howl Mockery at the cross get a bit closer, but still aren't really like stuff from Silencer, Shining or Xasthur. Verräter also doesn't fit in my opinion. Maybe tentacles of Whorror is his only one that could fit there besides Thenth Sublevel of Suicide.
But overall his sound is way bigger than dsbm and it would be silly to reduce him to that. He's often sad (though never as sad as on Lurker of Chalice), but doesn't fit the dsbm framework that well often times. Or he's the only guy in the genre vastly expanding outwards into his own direction. At which point it's silly to call him part of it.
As Nogrim said, you should share a Spotify playlist with every episode of Lock Horns.
They did for awhile on Apple Music before they started curating their own stuff. Wish they would have kept with it though.
Very glad to see Drudkh on this list. They are great ABM band whose talent gives us awesome music like Blood In Our Wells, Forgotten Legends, and Eternal Turn of the Wheel. I'm looking forward to the new album coming out soon!
Autumn Aurora is arguably their most ABM album.
Blood In Our Wells is an amazing album! Furrows of The Gods and Solitude are perfect!
According to Season of Mist the release date is Friday March 9- I can hardly wait!
Matt Hatter Autumn Aurora is right up there with Hvis Lyset and Dawn of the Dying Sun as one of the best BM albums of all-time. A true masterpiece.
Hvis Lyset is my favorite Burzum album.
Where was Paysage D'Hiver? They deserve to be at the top with burzum
My thoughts exactly. THAT is atmosphere, not some doofus layering acoustic guitars and trickling streams over everything.
Loved it! I wish Saor was mentioned.
Kevin Tiedeman Saor came up a bunch in the chat but few people gave strong arguments for them and it kind of got drowned out by the arguments about Alcest and Blut Aus Nord, people spamming Negura Bunket without explanation, and that one guy who just bitched about Weakling and insulted people.
^Pretty much!
Agree with that
SAOR is great!
Sam "but i digress" Dunn
I fucking love the way you conduct the debates and the albums I discover thanks to you
Drudkh for the win.
I love how you have the trident as your profile pic on top of being a drudkh fan.
Myself being from Kharkov Ukraine, i have to represent the guys from my hometown. \m/
PesteNoire88 listening to eternal turn of the wheel now actually
Surprised none of them started screeching about knotsies when Drudkh came up.
@@brandontadday6288 nice, check out Monarque
I agree with burzum is the legend. Hyvss let set tar oss is the blueprint for atmospheric black metal
No no really.. There were a lot of bands pre-burzum Hvis lyset tar oss, that is just as great
@@worldinpains2.035 Such as?
@@worldinpains2.035 Being first doesn't mean you are the most influential. HLTO is undoubtedly the yardstick for the genre.
@@worldinpains2.035 still waiting, dude. Name em
@@worldinpains2.035 We're still waiting. Come on.
Late to the party but my top 10 would be:
*Burzum* - pretty obvious pick for being the first act to use keys "atmospherically" and not melodically
*Strid* - overlooked act but still among the first to slow down the tempo to create a hazy vibe
*Ulver* - perfectly fused minimal folk elements with old school BM
*In the Woods* - built upon the foundation of Burzum but took it in a more progressive direction
*Black Cilice* - takes the cake for creating the spookiest atmosphere on the planet
*Summoning* - created the "epic" subgenre, successfully crafting a genuine medieval feeling
*Blut Aus Nord* - perfect incorporation of industrial elements with heavy atmosphere
*Nokturnal Mortum* - walking the fine line between symphonic and ambient BM brilliantly
*Drudkh* - may have outdone Ulver when it comes to fusing folk with BM
Last but not least, my personal favourite, and Burzum's most important disciple
*Paysage d'Hiver* - the act that perfectly incorporates noise aesthetics as an integral part of his musical expression
Great list! Hope you can join us live sometime, or leave a comment in advance in the pre-show chat, FB page or UA-cam polls. Those are just the kinds of comments we like!
Panopticon rules
HAHAH The company I work for is called ABM. I also had no idea of the sub-genre's existence and found some fucking awesome music due to this episode. Thanks dudes!
Awesome. Thanks for watching!
Surprised no one mentioned Wodensthrone.... They weren't together long, but they got pretty big for a second and the two albums they recorded were masterpieces
Blayne is the shit! So glad to see him in this debate. Also, Blut Aus Nord definitely has top tier CLASSIC ABM albums, crazy how people didn't praise them and/or vote for it. Unbelievable but oh well.
How did I just find out about this channel/ segment. This is amazing lol going on a listening journey tonight.
Coldworld would have been my pick if I saw this stream at the time.
I would love to see an episode on Funeral Doom and another on DSBM.
Or at least Death-Doom...Winter, Dusk, Disma...leading to Skepticism, Thergothon, Worship, Ahab!
@@BayouDrank there is an episode of Death/Doom now. In the Funeral three (if there's one some day) there must be Skepticism, Ahab and Mournful Congregation, definitely
@@Axelrckr But bro... Shape Of Despair!
My top and it's really hard for me to pick since i got deep into the ABM genre. Violet Cold, Celephais, Lustre, Caladan Brood, Summoning, Panopticon, Druadan Forest, Skyforest, Hermodr, Vvilderness... The music on it's own makes me travel and tells me the story (with or without a vocal)
You guys crushed it, despite UA-cam trying to bring ya’ down. Another killer Locked Horns!
Thanks Prof!
As a genre that focuses on nature this debate lacked those bands talking about space, which is the nature that still remains unknown and inaccessible to mankind. One can only imagen the different sonic landscapes that could origin from there, and Darkspace along with other bands try to channel this in their music. This is a truly unique take on Atmosphere, probably the purest one, and the path taken by this genre has branched out greatly on it. It would have been nice to explore more on this topic.
Who voted down Blut Aus Nord? Should definitely be there.
because they're just so much more important for their other albums. Those are groundbreaking and inspirational to the entire scene, while their atmo bm just kind of... exists.
Same dude who said Summoning is "pedestrian". When they start questioning whether Caladan Brood belongs over BAN there's clearly something wrong happening in that feed.
@@obfuscator_ium very true, also they didn't even know the Summoning logo was upside-down..🤦♂️ lol what a fail.
@@claytonwalker2324 C A S U A L S
I was prepared to be a little bored, but Blayne makes everything more fun lol. Props for the Panopticon add.
Sam is so academic that he's a bit dry lol, not bad but you can totally tell he has a Ph.D haha
Glad Ruins of Beverast made it. Rain Upon the Impure is such an amazing album.
Just recently discovered this channel, so far definetly the video with most bands i listen. I knew, my personal favs are quite a bit more atmospheric than normal, but seeing them all in this list... xD
Welcome!
This episode made me realize that my predominant genre is atmospheric black metal. I listened to more of these bands than any other genre. Thanks guys 😁
Obsequiae I think is a very important band as far as American ABM goes. The folk element is of a medieval nature, and their album "Aria of Vernal Tombs" is an absolute masterpiece.
I recommend you check out a band called Aquilus. they're kind of in the same league as Obsequiae. They'll blow you away
Aria is still my favorite record since it came out. Nothing has hit me (yet) so profoundly since. Can't wait for what Tanner does next. Gonna second Aquilus also. Griseus is wonderful.
Really good list (although I disagree with TRoB heavily, I mean just listen to The Clockhands Groaning Circles again, that's far from atmospheric imo) and an exciting addition to finally put on the tree (at least for now).
Blayne is always a joy to witness and this has been one of my favourites in a while (mostly because I actually know something about it haha).
Burzum -Hvis Lyset Tar Oss is the first album in atmospheric Black Metal. there wasn't anyone else doing it before that
RevelationNone Bathory was the first listen to Blood Fire Death. Burzum did take it to another level
@@ProDoucher Blood Fire and Death atmospheric? 🤔🤔🤔 I dont know....👀
"Atmospheric Black Metal is what you can fall asleep to but it still be metal"... Might I maybe suggest... Dungeonsynth? Maybe it's an ambient genre getting to that point, but its atmospherics / interior world... dark fantasy / medievalist... is the atmospherics of Metal.
Hey Guys, thanks, a cool hour with you! But I'll appreciate a list written down and a 2nd part too with bands like Ennoven, Grift, Tardigrada, In the Woods, Paysage D'Hiver, None, Wiegedood, Fuath, Knokkelklang, Nasheim, Downfall of Nur, Turia etc. just some names... All of them are great bands! Thanks!
Thanks for this episode. Atmospheric black metal has a important meaning in my life, and I'm glad seeing people talking 'bout it
BEHERIT - Drawing Down The Moon 93. Atmospheric BM for sure, and legendary band and album anyways.
Walknut should have been mentioned just for their pure ABM sound, Gravesforests and Thier Shodows is a masterpiece.
Love that Agolloch is on here I'm from portland oregon!
My favourite atmospheric black metal band is probably Woods of Desolation. So beautiful...also Harakiri for the Sky is wonderful
Great show!
wolves in the Throne Room is awesome
just saw them in Philly tonight :) they stole the show from Enslaved... AMAZING
yes they are absolutely fantastic live. One of my top 5 live bands so far.
John Landis hey I'm a commie alright and I'm gonna stay ~
What are you gonna do about it big boy?
John Landis even though I didn't say that. I said there aren't many I liked that much (despite early Sepultura and some of the first grindcore stuff).
The soviet union doesn't have anything to do with my politics really.
Also I recently discovered galloping coroners (the true name escapes me right now), who were from Hungary during the time of the eastern block and I adore their albums. Probably a big influence on neurosis and other heavy bands with a more tribal vibe.
I never claimed I know all 80s metal? In fact I would say pre-90s is a giant gap in my knowledge. It's just not interesting to me because my favourite genres didn't exist yet. You're tiring. Who's that anthony guy?
Fairly certain this is my favorite metal genre, thanks for doing this for us fans.
Hvis Lyset Tar Oss was probably the first atmospheric black metal album back in 1992, Bergtatt in 1994 as well.
Marrow of the spirit is my favorite Agalloch album.
ni n ho oh n i n Into the painted grey is one of my top tunes of the 2010’s. Agalloch really doing DM
Xasthur and Leviathan. Seriously 2 of the most influential atmospheric black metal bands ever. And DARKSPACE! Their music is practically ALL atmosphere!
Perfect sleeping music. Like the nature and fantasy themed ones- Elderwind, Caladan Brood, Galdur, etc.
I love this genre of metal!! Soothing and relaxing to me!!!🤘🏻🤘🏻🤘🏻
Canadians looking so fucking uncomfortable talking about Burzum ...hilarious.
There's nothing wrong with Burzum and Varg. Only ignorants have anything against Varg.
we are an uncomfortable people
He isn't a racist, therefore I was right saying only ignorants have anything against Varg. What a bunch of pansies, holy fuck.
darkarchon then what is he if he isn't a racist?
A man
23:24 That’s hilarious - my wife fell asleep on a bench in the venue when we saw Wolves in the Throne Room in Austin once
I was hesitant to watch this one, based on the pre-polling. There were so many bands suggested and polled about that simply didn't belong. Glad that the episode turned out pretty solid, you guys did a great job, especially Blayne. I would have liked to see Forteresse make the list over The Ruins of Beverast, because while they are a great band, they play Black/Doom, not Atmospheric Black metal. I also couldn't have agreed more with Blayne about Blut Aus Nord and the Memoria Vetusta albums. They definitely belonged, but oh well. You can't win 'em all.
Thanks for watching!
lol that summoning logo , as a fan i didnt notice either
Paysage d'Hiver would have rounded out the top 10 nicely. Oh well :/
Leviathan should have been on this list. One man band, and uses some unorthodox instrumentation to create a very haunting, atmospheric sound.
they said he's DSBM
In the corner of North East India, there is a Man who play Atmospheric black metal,his name is Maxroyte..from the state of Mizoram, u wont believe it, he was a badass....🇮🇳🤘🏼
46:05
Blayne (taking about Summoning): “…the bands that influence everybody- the biggest bands are the ones that you don’t have to decipher and read three books to get into”
Lord of the Rings trilogy: 👀
Hahaha, gold comment!😂
And not just the trilogy but Silmarillion aswell.
@@pierreogeryd2869glad somebody else thought that was funny. Good point about the Silmarillion too.
That Summoning clip is Pure Moods 5, Black Metal Edition
Also, surprised to not see Fleurety or In the Woods mentioned. Maybe they'd fit on an avant-garde black metal episode, if we get a season 3, but they could definitely fit here as well. They have the black metal base, the gauzy and hazy atmosphere, and the folk elements.
Fen: While they are often classed as post-black metal or blackgaze, they are highly atmospheric. Definitely the sort of band you can fall asleep to and end up accidentally astral travelling 😂
It was a pleasure to have them feature in our British black metal documentary (Shameless plug) and they had some really interesting things to say about what they try to communicate and deliver to their fans whether it be through their albums or at live shows. The two brothers were impacted by their childhood surroundings of the Fens and mentioned how being in nature would bring them into a state of creative flow, where they felt intoxicated and had an urge to capture that state.
This really shows in the music because intoxicated is exactly how you feel, listening to a Fen album. It's as if you're taken through a portal from the physical world into new, hidden dimensions. Their music evokes a sense of awe, grandiosity and natural beauty all while keeping the harshness and grimness of what you would expect from a black metal band.
There are many layers to every song and while there are signature phrases that hint that you're listening to Fen, they keep you on your toes, often breaking expectations of what it is to follow. They have a progressive structure to their songs and are a must listen for any atmospheric black metal lover.
Such a great band.
Nice list! However, where is the Mesarthim, Lustre, Saor, Aquilus, Darkspace, Eldamar, Elderwind, Evilfeast, Coldworld, Melankoli? Some of these bands are far more representative of ABM than some of the bands on this list.
Aquilus is so underrated its not even funny. Griseus blew my mind the first time I heard it
Aquilus! Yes!
Aquilus isn't atmospheric black in any way.
The band (as in the only guy in it) describes themselves as "atmospheric metal" so you're technically ot wrong but they're more of a neoclassical black metal band, if that even is a thing. A lot of classical and folk elements. Very enjoyable music in my opinion. Definitely atmospheric but not full-on ABM. idk...
There are no elements of black metal in Griseus (which is the most prominent album). I fail to see how this is atmospheric black metal, in any way.
I'm someone who probably disagrees with Blayne politically on a few things, but the way he brought trolls into the conversation was a cool moment for me. Funny and not dickish. Super great job no. 1 Blayne!
Another nice show!
Time to start shouting IRON MAIDEN five minutes into every broadcast and see how quick chat shuts down
Noooooooooooooooo.
CALADAN BROOD-ELDAMAR-ETERNAL VALLEY
Eternal Valley is great! I think Midnight Odyssey and Alrakis should also have been honorable mentions.
and Gallowbraid
Wow Caladan Brood are incredible
Hey can someone help me find song at 36:34, it's been 2 years and i can't find it
@@dixcy_parashar Man, what a rabbit hole I went down. Found it though.
FORTERESSE - Wendigo
Got to have Summoning 🤘🇦🇹🤘
I tried to get the guys' attention about Negura Bunget, just couldn't. It is a shame that you haven't included them on the list.
Blunt-aus-Nord ...Thank you..
I was slightly taken back by the folk direction they went in. When atmosphere black metal spreads among many other areas. So I was glad to see more doomish options, The feeling of the sound creates an atmosphere.
Thantifaxath
World Narcosis
Hundred Year Old Man
Amenra
Altar of Plagues
Chrch
Weakling's Dead as Dreams has been my go-to nap and bedtime record for almost 2 decades.
I would like to see a discussion about virtuoso guitar players. Or whatever you want to call them. I'm thinking of Satriani, Vai, Becker, Malmsteen, Buckethead or Gilbert...
They have some heavy stuff and to some point they are influential to the genre.
Definitely need to do one on DSBM with Blane.
Hey I just subscribed to the channel I really enjoyed this video and I’m sure I’ll enjoy many more topic videos you cover here. Would be cool to have a segment going into the history of the classic German thrash metal. Focus on Sodom, Destruction, Kreator, and maybe touch on tankard as well. Destruction is my personal favorite thrash metal band, their 80s albums had so many unique riffs and songs!!
Welcome. Great idea we definitely like talking about German thrash!
Aaah... The last of the Banger Hanger genre-Lock Horns. The best setting! And going out with Blayne whom I love!
I think you guys should include the bands that made the cut in the description box with a link to where we can purchase their stuff and band website.
Good idea. Will add it to our to do list!
For a music themed channel, you would think they could fix the audio for these videos. Either mix the mics better or replace them!
Ohhhh can't believe I missed this!
Fen, Spectral Lore, Midnight Odyssey, Austere, Blut Aus Nord, Skyforest, Alcest, Wolves in the Throne Room, Krallice, Panopticon, Agolloch, Mgla
I don't know about Mgla being atmospheric. They got riffs.
Where do you get the magnets? I want to do something similar myself on my refrigerator. Thanks
but Burzum is one of my favourites of all time.
Same here
I fuckn love this dude and this fuckn chanel ! keep fuckn killing it !!!
Imperium Dekadenz very good Atmospheric Black Metal from Germany
I still love burzum.
no Darkspace :(
They influenced a whole sub genre with their space themes. Bands like Alrakis wouldnt exist without their work. Cant please everyone, but this is a fatal oversight.
No both of you are wrong, Paysage d'hiver should be there before darkspace, it came out first.
Apples and Oranges. Paysage d'hiver didnt pioneer the space theme. Their lyrics are about different topics and also their sound doesnt replicate the wide and empty feeling of the endless galaxy. Darkspace prepared the ground for countless bands. Paysage d'hiver are more on the Ambient Black Metal side with Keyboard soundscapes and themes about nature, winter landscapes, introspectives, solitude etc. At least from what I remember. They are much closer to bands like Vinterriket.
you don't need to tell me who they are. Darkspace is on of my favorite band.
Gonna see them live next weekend in Netherlands Deathfest! \m/
Arx Atrata and Germ for epicness... Seems everyone missed them... For me Arx Atrata's album called "Sipiritus in Terra" is a masterpeace and Germ's album "Grief" blew my mind... I can sleep to death with those albums whenever I feel deep down depressed...They are like painkillers for me...
Additionally check Kalmankantaja, Les Discrets (well, a bit different), Lustre, Sojourner, Thy Light and may be Violet Cold...
High praise for Blayne for the high praise for the Memoria Vetusta albums.
Blut Aus Nord is a good band from France...I was in contact with this guy. I believe he did a label velvet creations and a side band called THE EYE
Yeah I would say Myrkur is more Blackened Folk-Metal. Not atmospheric at all. She sounds like she was inspired by 80's Dead Can Dance music then added black metal elements to her songs. / Earth & Pillars are a newer ABM group worth checking out. Their label Advantgarde Music releases a lot of good acts IMO.
SUMMONING
Having a DSBM band debate is very very very very very necessary, and the legend should be either xasthur or shining IMO
Julian Gonzalez what about silencer?
Joe Yuzwa silencer is good too
Cosmic Church is perhaps my favorite "new" atmospheric BM band.
You need to make an episode in blackened crust... and southern metal, funeral doom, crust punk, crustgrind, pornogrind, Christian metal, pirate metal, a cappella metal, traditional doom metal, epic doom metal, and others. Yes, it’s still a hell of a long way to go.
Definitely check out Zuriaake! Pretty unknown stuff I think, due to being from China, but damn, that's some really fine stuff with which is clearly inspired by but often up's what Burzum did. Really a lot like the best of Burzum, just with Chinese roots/influence.
I am surprised Darkspace was not mentioned. Very influential to the spacey atmospheric ambient black metal scene going on.
Yep, the top 10 most influential bands would have been perfect if you change Winterfylleth with Paysage d'hiver or Darkspace, but mostly Paysage d'hiver because it came out first.
I agree but I love Winterfylleth so i ain't too mad.
noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/mb73j3/cosmic-black-metal-is-as-weird-and-dark-as-it-sounds
I consider Darkspace an updated Limbonic Art :p But I guess they're already in the "symphonic black metal" section
they were argued about a bit in the chat beforehand. To me they fall into this weird ambient bm subcategory, like Midnight Odyssey or Spectral Lore.
Does anybody know the difference between atmospheric BM and ambient BM? or are they both the same thing?
THE most fantastic athmospheric BM track, all fans must hear is : Nazxul : 'Oath Fides Resurrection'..
They only have few of these slower tracks. Listening to that song is an experience!!
I am surprised that nobody mentioned Velvet Cacoon and their album Genevieve from 2004.
The fact that Coldworld from Germany didn't get a mention.....OUCH! Its a one man abm band with a lot of ambient influences and guest artists from other sides of music. Coldworld got everything you need in abm! "The stars are dead now" is maybe more a dsbm/abm record (what a thin line tho between those two subgenres). "Melancholie2" is maybe the most atmospheric black metal record ever! And his comeback with "Autumn" is purely insane....one of the most welcrafted pieces of art in music history! We can ignore his latest work because that is pure Ambient....
Before I forget one of my biggest points why Coldworld is the best abm band ever: It still has pure raw black metal as ingredient No°1 😊🤘
Whats that album to the middle left of the woman? Cant remember the name :/
Blut Aus Nord definitely belongs...oozing with atmosphere!
How about Walknut's "Graveforests and their Shadows?" I'm not sure if everyone would consider it atmospheric black metal (I think the artists consider it ABM) so there's that. Absolutely crushing sound. Very evocative of what one might imagine to be a very dark Russian winter.
kahahabahaha good album. Not influential enough unfortunately..
do you guys put these lists up anywhere? I would love to go back and check all the must listens from different genres
Check out the master Heavy Metal Family Tree spreadsheet here: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HwGEP2N4gS8Qng0pjWlFL-sU61jE-bw8-w46gXentec/edit#gid=0
cheers!
Some basic points missed: ABM is not only about nature, it more about a 'soundscape' but goes in different envirnoments: it embodies evil/demons (Ruins of Beverast), unknown (Negura Bunget, Paysage D hiver) and horror in space (Darkspace) and a fringe band I personally like (Alrakis) who are less metal but blend metal with space ambient
I think paysage de hiver and dark space are perfect examples of ABM
Could anyone please tell me the name of the Forteresse song at 40:40?
Wendigo
after this comment i had to check that band out, and im working my way through the first album, and goddamn! this is a good band...
Thanks man!
Where do they get those awesome band logo magnets!?
Amazing