Early Death Metal Albums Debate with Blayne Smith | LOCK HORNS (live stream archive)

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  • @zakillah9702
    @zakillah9702 6 років тому +64

    Bolt Thrower - Realm of Chaos.
    Nothing sounded like that in 1989. Criminally underrated.

    • @joeyuzwa891
      @joeyuzwa891 5 років тому +6

      WOOOOOORLD EEEATERRRR!!!!!

    • @neuroisis85
      @neuroisis85 5 років тому +13

      Any Death Metal list that doesn’t have at least one Bolt Thrower album on it is null and void. They are one of the top 5 dm bands ever.

    • @Angellisgod
      @Angellisgod 2 роки тому +1

      @@neuroisis85 bt overrated

    • @Cappah
      @Cappah Рік тому +3

      @@Angellisgod deluded

    • @HeathenMetalhead221
      @HeathenMetalhead221 Рік тому

      D.V.C. - Descendant Upheaval from 1989 I'd say comes close to the sound.

  • @KeithHowells
    @KeithHowells 7 років тому +79

    Bolt Thrower!!!

    • @904austin
      @904austin 3 роки тому

      @Jayce Jayden thanks bots, very cool

  • @KevinUchihaOG
    @KevinUchihaOG 7 років тому +39

    Would have liked these albums:
    Gorguts - considered dead
    carcarss - necrotisism
    dismember - like an everflowing stream
    bolt thrower - Realm of Chaos

    • @jimmywest1526
      @jimmywest1526 4 роки тому

      Jimmy West
      Considered Dead and I’d say Realm of Chaos or War Master or IVth Crusade, they could take their pick of Bolt Thrower.

    • @brunosipavicius7867
      @brunosipavicius7867 3 роки тому

      Necroticism is unbelievable great. I miss it too here.

    • @Astral_Wave
      @Astral_Wave 3 роки тому

      Obscura (98')

    • @yehudaquinton1069
      @yehudaquinton1069 3 роки тому

      I dont mean to be off topic but does any of you know a trick to log back into an instagram account..?
      I was stupid lost the password. I love any tricks you can give me.

    • @jairojaxon9504
      @jairojaxon9504 3 роки тому

      @Yehuda Quinton Instablaster ;)

  • @ivan4686
    @ivan4686 7 років тому +49

    Suffocation - Effigy of the forgotten
    Grave - Into The Grave
    are early-DM masterpieces

    • @Ben-gj6fk
      @Ben-gj6fk 6 років тому +3

      dude grave is fucking siiiick

    • @happycat4838
      @happycat4838 4 роки тому

      Into The Grave is my all time favorite death metal album!

    • @Undaglibenglaubengloben
      @Undaglibenglaubengloben 4 роки тому

      Grave definitely needs more love. My particular favorite band in the world

  • @Eilmstein
    @Eilmstein 7 років тому +84

    Dismember- Like An Everflowing Stream and Sinister - Hate

    • @Eilmstein
      @Eilmstein 7 років тому +5

      and Grave - You'll Never See ...

    • @Eilmstein
      @Eilmstein 7 років тому +4

      Pungent Stench?

    • @yeahsure8323
      @yeahsure8323 6 років тому +5

      @@Eilmstein Been caught Buttering

    • @thenecrosanct4906
      @thenecrosanct4906 5 років тому +2

      To be fair, both Dismember and Grave, while they emerged at the same time as Entombed/Nihilist, have the disadvantage of releasing their debut albums after 'Left Hand Path'. That album is the pinnacle of old school Swedish Death Metal. It set the standard for that entire subgenre. Back in those days the debut albums of Dismember, Grave and even Unleashed, while still considered good to great albums, were regarded as lesser attempts compared to Entombed.

    • @galosniper7010
      @galosniper7010 3 роки тому

      @@thenecrosanct4906 Left Hand Path may be the first Sweedish DM album bu is not even the best Entombed album imo

  • @BangerTV
    @BangerTV  7 років тому +60

    Hey Bangers, a few more words of clarification on why the 1990s records were included in this show. We never called this an OSDM episode. We knew that we needed to split up the Death Metal Albums debate, because our Death Metal Band debate was so wide-ranging, and lots of great music was left out. We went back and forth about what "early" might mean, and found there was no specific cut off point that we could stand behind. 1991? 1993? Everyone would just argue about that. So we decided to make this 1980s and all the 1990s (knowing that this would be mostly early 1990s records.) And that a follow-up would go from 2000s onwards. Many of you are mad that mid-1990s records would be consider "early." But considering they are now around 20 years old, we think that qualifies in the bigger picture.
    Also, we announced this from the start, in every post, and throughout the show. So don't get mad at Blayne for picking a record from 1995 like he was clueless or trying to pull a fast one! The 1990s was always going to be part of the discussion. Hope that helps clear things up from our end.

    • @nickdpritchard221
      @nickdpritchard221 7 років тому +5

      Mid 90's was not early for the genre tho, there was a clear shift in the mid 90's DM scene with many bands either splitting up or beginning to release sub par albums, it was the end of the golden period.

    • @SharleeAviles
      @SharleeAviles 7 років тому +2

      There's more death metal of the 90's than the 80's indeed

    • @Sean-fv4wi
      @Sean-fv4wi 6 років тому +3

      Well the end result was more 80s than 90s so dunno why ppl are getting all pissy. Morbid Visions replaced Slaughter Of The Soul. Who cares if one guy votes for At The Gates? As he explained, it's just his opinion & it got overturned.

    • @tcar3654
      @tcar3654 4 роки тому

      Why no mention of Bathory? I mean in 1983 was there really anyone doing what they did? It was really the 1st Death metal album. That really should have been the starting point, wasn't a fan of them, I'm a Chuck guy, but let's give credit where credit is due.

    • @tcar3654
      @tcar3654 4 роки тому

      Now, I know they are NOT death metal, but how does slayer not get mentioned here as the biggest influence in the early years of the entire metal genre as a catalyst. I mean the riffs, solos and drums are there.

  • @carlosjantarada7212
    @carlosjantarada7212 6 років тому +12

    Here's my list (it's quite "floaty" but it doesn't vary that much)
    Bolt Thrower: Realm Of Chaos
    Carcass: Necroticism
    Entombed: Clandestine
    Death: Leprosy
    Napalm Death: Harmony Corruption (no, it isn't a Grind Core album... it's 100% DM - the only in their catalogue but DM nonetheless)
    Sepultura: Arise (DM with sparkles of thrash but pivotal nonetheless)
    Cynic: Focus
    At The Gates: Slaughter Of The Soul
    Obituary: Cause Of Death
    Morbid Angel: Blessed Are The Sick

  • @sonusworld666
    @sonusworld666 6 років тому +25

    Spiritual Healing and Individual Thought Pattern are killer records

    • @arhaanchettri95
      @arhaanchettri95 5 років тому +13

      Spiritual Healing is an underrated masterpiece.

  • @slash6662000
    @slash6662000 7 років тому +83

    Deicide's first one was an Absolute classic 🤘🤘☠️☠️😈😈

    • @wallachianforest5858
      @wallachianforest5858 5 років тому +6

      I'm angry for cannibal and deicide

    • @michaelwinters2574
      @michaelwinters2574 4 роки тому

      Growing up near Tampa in the late 80/very early 90’s, that was my introduction into extreme metal. Didn’t know what to make of it at first, but quickly loved it. Alongside all the awesome bands from here, or ones that relocated here, to have that awesome Morrisound feel.

    • @varcol8375
      @varcol8375 4 роки тому +2

      Yeah, no Corpse or Deicide??? WTF??

    • @arhaanchettri95
      @arhaanchettri95 4 роки тому +2

      Couldn't agree more, it's among my top five death metal records of all time -- it just obliterates! A lot of metalheads just love jumping on the 'hate Deicide bandwagon' either because of the band's commercial success or due to Glen Benton's persona and great sense of humour.

    • @elijahloveell8809
      @elijahloveell8809 4 роки тому

      Completely fuckin agree. I could listen to that album all day long

  • @wadelee7414
    @wadelee7414 5 років тому +16

    The first death metal album I ever bought influenced me is Obituary's Slowly We Rot. Still love that album and listen to it regularly 30 yrs later.

  • @MetalComedy
    @MetalComedy 7 років тому +128

    Hey I'm Blayne! To explain a little of the confusion that happened, the original plan was for early to be 80's and 90's because a clear break is hard to find, that's when I chose At the Gates. Whether you love'em or hate'em, they had a big influence on metal. By the way things shook out at the end they looked REALLY out of place and I took 'em down. A LOT of what we went on was from the live chat and comments on FB, so if you don't like it, get in the mix and change it! My revised pick would have been Bolt Thrower - Realm of Chaos. Blood for the Blood God! Skulls for the Skull Throne!

    • @bloodofmyenemies
      @bloodofmyenemies 7 років тому +11

      MetalComedy I think limiting it to 10 was what caused alot of confusing but also it should have been from the mid 80s to early 90s. I think it's fair to say that at this stage there is early, middle and modern eras of death metal... Also not including Cannibal Corpse for any reason is just ignorant. It's like not including Burzum in a list of essential black metal bands/albums.

    • @Hegder
      @Hegder 7 років тому +13

      You did great. Don't worry about the haters. Just because Slaughter of the Soul spawned its own subgenre doesn't mean it wasn't a death metal album when it came out.

    • @SpookyApparition
      @SpookyApparition 7 років тому +6

      Blayne, you're a great guest on this show and I hope you keep coming back!

    • @megaduck7965
      @megaduck7965 7 років тому +4

      You instantly won me over with your Bolt thrower / Nerd Shack love . Even if you were slamming cannibal

    • @MaaZeus
      @MaaZeus 7 років тому +5

      Yeah I think you made a slight mistake when choosing At The Gates - Slaughter Of The Soul for a guest choice. No question how good (screw you haters) and influental that album was but the genre was just wrong for a list called "Early Death Metal". When people speak of Early DM or "OSDM" people think of Death, Possessed, Pestilence, Morbid Angel and the likes, not Slaugher Of The Soul. Bolt Thrower would have been a spot on pick which no-one would have argued against, except maybe have a penis strething contest on what is their favourite BT album.
      But when the Melodeath Essentials happen you'll get your revenge. :)

  • @sergiosanch8566
    @sergiosanch8566 6 років тому +19

    Benediction - transcend The rubicon

  • @Nacur
    @Nacur 7 років тому +102

    Awesome show.Blayne is one the best guests, hire the guy!

    • @MetalComedy
      @MetalComedy 7 років тому +23

      Much appreciated!!

    • @H0und0fHircin3
      @H0und0fHircin3 6 років тому +11

      Oh, hi Mark. Shut the fuck up and fuck the fuckin fuck off.

    • @hailblackdragon
      @hailblackdragon 6 років тому

      Lord Mark agree with you 100%. Unless you were born in the 90’s, why would you call “Slaughter of the soul” oldschool? Not even their early albums were “oldschool” AT ALL

    • @toddapplegate
      @toddapplegate 5 років тому

      No to Sepultura.
      No to Pestilence.
      Yes to Asphyx, the Rack.
      Yes to Bolt Thrower, War Master.

    • @deadliestassassin3092
      @deadliestassassin3092 5 років тому +1

      Joel Morales and NinjaDragon STFU u tard asses. Old school metal? Are u fucking kidding me? Get outta here with that poser mentality shit. U 2 douches were probably not around when At The Fuckin Gates released Gardens of Grief and Red in the Sky is Ours. Early to mid 90's is pretty old now if u ask me. Slaughter Of the Soul is 24 fuckin years old now. Probably older than u 2 peanuts. I was born in 82 so the bands from the 80's to mid to late 90's are considered old now. So stop living like your stuck in time.

  • @KMKimo
    @KMKimo 7 років тому +18

    Dismember - Like an Everflowing stream

  • @metalpractor5150
    @metalpractor5150 7 років тому +11

    Possessed did "ignite", I was there..we were ready to jump ship from thrash bands and craved their dark, fast, and heavy sound..the division had begun. Ross Dolan of Immolation told me in 1995 that seven churches by Possessed was his favorite album.... Not bad from the band that I believe now carries the death metal torch the highest.
    Possessed seven churches had awesome riffs with maniacally driven repeating single note harmonies. Vocals were both raspy and powerful ( not the subdued Cookie Monster cookie cutter garbage that limits the forcefulness of the sound) not only that, Jeff Becera had a range of rasp that highlighted the lyrics and is something the genre needs.

  • @blackmoonangler
    @blackmoonangler 5 років тому +6

    Effigy of the Forgotten was hugely influential for tech and BDM, not to mention it was the first album to utilize slam riffs. Also say what you want about cannibal, they're also hugely influential vocally and lyrically.

  • @corryskylord3177
    @corryskylord3177 3 роки тому +10

    33:30 actually, Slowly We Rot was written in E standard tuning, which I think it shows that Obituary is that much better because they were able to be that heavy in standard tuning

  • @SteveStell
    @SteveStell 7 років тому +63

    NECROTICISM - DESCANTING THE INSALUBRIOUS

    • @markorokosa4294
      @markorokosa4294 6 років тому +1

      mighty matafaking carcass!!!

    • @123456789hell1
      @123456789hell1 6 років тому +2

      Eaten Back to Life should be up there Cannibal made death metal what it is today. giving credit to Chuck for starting the genre. Skull full of Maggots generated the sound that different from thrash. Bands like NIle and Immolation get their sound from cannibal also Chris and George both made the typical vocals of Death metal

    • @princealigorna7468
      @princealigorna7468 6 років тому +3

      This would have for sure been my pick over Heartwork. Heartwork is an amazing album, with the not just the melodies but also the shift away from horror topics to more personal lyrical themes having a huge influence on later death metal. But Necroticism was their first album to make the break from goregrind into death metal, and it's really THE FIRST melodic death metal album. The solos are instantly hummable, and the grooves are just fucking massive! If you don't go nuts for Incarnate Solvent Abuse and Corporeal Jigsore Quandary, then something is fucking wrong with you!

    • @carlosjantarada7212
      @carlosjantarada7212 6 років тому

      Indeed

    • @oldskool4572
      @oldskool4572 5 років тому

      Whilst its considered Thrash, I consider Slayer's Reign in Blood to be a contender. The lyrical content alone should qualify it. It doesn't have to be guttural vocals alone. Surely Reign in Blood was at least a big influence no?

  • @moribnd
    @moribnd 7 років тому +20

    Good job mentioning the very BEST of Florida death metal: Morbid Angel, Death, and Obituary. There were others, but these three were absolutely the best.

    • @BDeClue18
      @BDeClue18 4 роки тому +2

      I would replace Obituary with Cannibal Corpse. Obituary is still great though

    • @moribnd
      @moribnd 4 роки тому

      @@BDeClue18 not a Florida band and not as good.

    • @BDeClue18
      @BDeClue18 4 роки тому

      Hekate's Flame They were only in Buffalo for a short while then permanently moved to Tampa Bay. And as for who’s better to each their own. I like their instrumentals and vocals so much better.

    • @therealgod.
      @therealgod. 3 роки тому +1

      Death shits on all the other bands from that time imo

    • @havok6703
      @havok6703 3 роки тому +1

      Massacre

  • @Goregaltha
    @Goregaltha 7 років тому +45

    The Bleeding by CC is widely considered one of their best and most essential records, that should have been a no brainer. They unfortunately get a lot of hate because death metal is full of elitists who jump on the bandwagon of hipster-esque thinking (oh they're popular or mainstream, I can't like them now). Cannibal Corpse is not a joke, they're just campy and it's what makes their music fun to listen to, much like a good b-horror movie. Taking it too seriously will taint your opinion on them for sure, it's unfortunate they get hate because they are super consistent, technical, catchy, and brutal all at the same time.

    • @thewarrior6784
      @thewarrior6784 4 роки тому +3

      They are my favorite traditional death metal band

    • @metalahhhhhhhhhhhh
      @metalahhhhhhhhhhhh 4 роки тому +3

      Thank you someone who gets it

    • @ridleysomeliana-lauer5814
      @ridleysomeliana-lauer5814 4 роки тому

      Cannibal rules, the Bleeding would be so much better with a different vocalist. Barnes fucking ruined that record.

    • @kevinmitchell4018
      @kevinmitchell4018 4 роки тому +5

      Every cannibal record shuld be on any death metal list.they are the definition of death metal

    • @Undaglibenglaubengloben
      @Undaglibenglaubengloben 4 роки тому +1

      I don’t get CC, it all sounds so bland

  • @benng4376
    @benng4376 7 років тому +51

    "Slaughter Of The Soul" is a classic but not for this episode.

    • @benng4376
      @benng4376 7 років тому +5

      I was thinking maybe "Necroticism" for this list. You're right about "None So Vile". Tremendous album that doesn't belong here. "Tomb Of The Mutilated" is a stone cold classic.

    • @bulelangbam3217
      @bulelangbam3217 5 років тому +1

      Yeap...slaughter of the soul is...melodeath..

    • @Grimeyhoob
      @Grimeyhoob 4 роки тому +2

      Bul Elangbam melodeath is still death.

    • @DebateDeliberate
      @DebateDeliberate 4 роки тому

      My only complaint about this album has always been that the songs were too short. I agree it feels a little out of place here. I think the limit should have been up to 1995 or even 1994. The genre matured and gave way to a lot of sub-genres pretty quickly.

    • @Grimeyhoob
      @Grimeyhoob 4 роки тому

      Chris B it almost felt very thrashy. Recall how short the songs were on Slayers reign in blood.

  • @jakubch2012
    @jakubch2012 7 років тому +117

    Sam, please do LOCK HORNS on Death albums.

    • @animalpak7899
      @animalpak7899 7 років тому +11

      This ^^^. Love to hear people fight over death albums. It's either scream bloody gore/leprosy/spiritual healing fans, human/ITP fans or symbolic/sound of perseverance fans. I'd have to pick between human or symbolic, how about you?

    • @johnfadden6690
      @johnfadden6690 7 років тому +2

      YES THIS!!^^^^

    • @jakubch2012
      @jakubch2012 7 років тому +3

      Animal Pak It's hard to choose one but I think Sound of Perseverance is my favourite.

    • @doomusrlc
      @doomusrlc 7 років тому +4

      Why? choose the 5 best album from a band that did 7 albums? I love Death but I don't understand the point of doing a lock horns on them (felt the same about Mastadon even though I have been a fan for years)

    • @doomusrlc
      @doomusrlc 7 років тому +3

      Animal Pak Spiritual Healing and Symbolic are my favorites, lol

  • @sifkn
    @sifkn 5 років тому +16

    The only Band where u give all songs on a playlist and never skip a song……...DEATH

    • @tannerhuskins330
      @tannerhuskins330 3 роки тому +1

      Agreed, but fuck a playlist. Most of these albums are worhty of the whole listen!

  • @jstorer1980
    @jstorer1980 4 роки тому +3

    I'm just getting into extreme metal, it's an awesome journey discovering (new to me) artists. I'm kicking myself for not being into or aware of this kind of music back in the mid/late 90's when I used to work in a music store.

  • @doomusrlc
    @doomusrlc 7 років тому +59

    I think Effigy of the Forgotten is more essential than Morbid Visions and None so Vile. and a bit surprised Erosion of Sanity didn't get a mention.

    • @animalpak7899
      @animalpak7899 7 років тому +7

      I totally agree that effigy should have made the list, oh well. I can't agree with the erosion of sanity, despite it being one of my favorite death metal albums ever. Even though it kicks fucking ass, it's a suffocation clone at the end of the day(does suffocation better than suffocation). It didn't influence anyone because no one gave a shit about it when it came out, kind of was condemned to obscurity ;)

    • @beastofman77
      @beastofman77 7 років тому +1

      100% agree

    • @raygetard1896
      @raygetard1896 6 років тому +2

      As much as I love the first two Cryptopsy albums, they have no place up on that board.

    • @vladtheimpaler5200
      @vladtheimpaler5200 6 років тому +4

      Pestilence & Sepultura aren't nearly worthy of a top 10. Top 20? Probably, but not top 10. None so vile & effigy should've taken they're places.

    • @vladtheimpaler5200
      @vladtheimpaler5200 6 років тому +2

      @Macrocrash11Dude do you even know the significance & influence of that record? It paved the way for the slam death metal we know today. Also Lord Worm on that record created the benchmark for slam & BDM vocals.

  • @Will-ox4vj
    @Will-ox4vj 7 років тому +12

    Mortification's Scrolls of the Meggiloth is an extremely underrated classic. It's brutal and in your face, production is great, riffs are fantastic, vocals are monstrous, and just generally kicks major ass. They get overlooked or straight up ignored because they're Christian, but few records from that time period did the crushing, grind influenced death metal of the early 90's better.

    • @iaksakkak1006
      @iaksakkak1006 4 роки тому +1

      Will93 it’s a sick ass album I love it

  • @kenwheeler3637
    @kenwheeler3637 6 років тому +33

    How the hell were Immolation and Incantation not even mentioned?

    • @rosiegratz8377
      @rosiegratz8377 5 років тому +2

      Ken Wheeler right!! Huge fucking disappointment.

  • @Morbidous
    @Morbidous 7 років тому +51

    People always forget about Gorefest, False is such a masterpiece.

    • @juancruzruizdevillalbafdez7337
      @juancruzruizdevillalbafdez7337 7 років тому +2

      I don't I am with you.

    • @Moonfreeze
      @Moonfreeze 7 років тому +8

      Why not Mindloss?

    • @Morbidous
      @Morbidous 7 років тому +6

      Mindloss is older so it would fit better in this debate, but False is superior.

    • @Leo-yn5fx
      @Leo-yn5fx 5 років тому +1

      No i didnt

    • @devildozer
      @devildozer 5 років тому +2

      Mindloss... one of my favs in the 90's, listened to it every day for months straight.

  • @forever_underground
    @forever_underground 5 років тому +43

    Blayne says Altars of Madness is one of the few albums from that time that actual sounds good production wise.. WHAT?? Are you on crack dude? Tons of those early albums sound AWESOME

    • @iaksakkak1006
      @iaksakkak1006 4 роки тому +7

      Lance SkulKrusher haha Fenriz says that everyone hated the production when it came out. All subjective

    • @Grimeyhoob
      @Grimeyhoob 4 роки тому +3

      Lance SkulKrusher music is a subjective experience dude, there’s no right or wrong, it’s all opinions. What sounds good production to him sounds bad to you sound ok to me etc etc

    • @gobuns2
      @gobuns2 4 роки тому +2

      @@Grimeyhoob is production that subjective tho? scream bloody gore sounds shitty even if i love the sound of that album.

    • @carlosykyk
      @carlosykyk 4 роки тому +2

      @@gobuns2 yes, I really think so, because honestly to me, even though there's an obvious difference in the production in all these albums, I still think the album's sounds as good as it is

    • @therealgod.
      @therealgod. 3 роки тому +1

      @@gobuns2 i think the shitty production helps tho it makes it sound more brutal than the other death albums imo and the screams are the best on that album as wel

  • @Destructionritual
    @Destructionritual 5 років тому +7

    No Immolation? No Gorguts? I would have also mentioned Demilich and Timeghoul for creating a complete different spin on death metal and they were for sure essential and early. Oh well.

  • @antondzajajurca7797
    @antondzajajurca7797 7 років тому +22

    DEICIDE essential - nothing sounded like their first album (despite what they did afterwards)
    Other essential bands ....Death, Obituary, Morbid Angel, Pestilence
    + no german bands ? Morgoth and Atrocity?!?

    • @thomasfarmer1730
      @thomasfarmer1730 6 років тому +2

      Yes .....their debut is what got me into this genre...this album as well as others is essential..the early 90's is when the genre picked up it's pace

    • @abrahamparish
      @abrahamparish 5 років тому +1

      Morgoth and atrocity are just amazing...along with Paralysis-Patrons of the Dark

    • @samiam2971
      @samiam2971 3 роки тому

      Obituary!

  • @orphia6479
    @orphia6479 Рік тому +1

    Just going to say this about Cannibal Corpse: I suspect most of the CC critics aren't musicians. Not all, but most. If you're a guitarist and/or composer, there's no way you think CC is bad death metal. They've got some of the most brilliant death metal riffs around, if you genuinely grasp what it is they're actually doing.

  • @coryses
    @coryses 7 років тому +23

    Slaughter Of The Soul is great and is for sure Death Metal (may have influenced Melodic Death for sure), but it is not an EARLY Death Metal album. The title should have been "Essential 80's and 90's Death Metal albums"

    • @SpookyApparition
      @SpookyApparition 7 років тому +3

      I guess in the grand scope of death metal (let's say starting in '85, to be generous, to 2017), Slaughter of the Souls is *relatively* early. I do agree it's a kind of a stretch though.

    • @doomusrlc
      @doomusrlc 7 років тому +1

      Slaughter of the Soul, along with None so Vile, are essential to a "second round" of death metal, as the style really started spreading its wings around 1994/1995 and expanding.

    • @doomusrlc
      @doomusrlc 7 років тому +2

      ***** not saying it is a GREAT album. I like it but it is weak for the melo death style IMO, but there is no denying how influential that album was on later bands. Dark Tranquility and In Flames had much stronger albums at the time, just SOTS gets the nod by many.

    • @hey6982
      @hey6982 6 років тому

      Gardens of Grief.

  • @robertorsini1078
    @robertorsini1078 7 років тому +58

    surprised to see no love for Malevolent Creation. Definitely my fav of the early bands

    • @alexmarek5410
      @alexmarek5410 7 років тому +6

      Exactly, The Ten Commandments was an instant classic when it came out and helped define the Florida style. Also Brutality would have deserved a mention.

    • @Nate31176
      @Nate31176 6 років тому +1

      Ten commandments fckn the shit props for buff.r.I.p.brett!!

    • @tylerlunn5504
      @tylerlunn5504 5 років тому +1

      I don't know why but I really love Eternal it's awesome

    • @steelerfreak1977
      @steelerfreak1977 5 років тому +2

      You are surprised? Really? With these SJWs?

    • @rlanger3108
      @rlanger3108 4 роки тому

      Yeeeees. Ten Commandments. Love that fucking album.

  • @danielstrachal1770
    @danielstrachal1770 7 років тому +28

    Massacre - From Beyond
    Master - s/t
    Feels like people forget the important ones

    • @Akufenx
      @Akufenx 5 років тому +1

      of course

    • @Syklonus
      @Syklonus 4 роки тому +1

      "Important" is completely subjective. All that exists are favourites.

    • @rlanger3108
      @rlanger3108 4 роки тому +2

      Master always gets left out

    • @gilmillan4575
      @gilmillan4575 4 роки тому +2

      Syklone False. The important albums are the ones that have made the most impact. That’s not the same as favorite. Some albums are more important than others.

    • @stereotrofia8950
      @stereotrofia8950 4 роки тому

      @@Syklonus No. Important albums are the ones that inspired people to make music / influenced styles of other bands / shaped new genres. That's totally objective.

  • @mitchvechart7164
    @mitchvechart7164 Рік тому +1

    The chat’s insistence on excluding Cannibal and Deicide from this list just because they’re “basic and cheesy/comical” is extremely confusing to me.

  • @papabillydeth4723
    @papabillydeth4723 7 років тому +12

    Wow I just realized that Massacre wasn't even mentioned during this. I'm guilty I didn't think of them.

    • @shawngoodine9645
      @shawngoodine9645 7 років тому +2

      Gorguts as well. Ridiculous lol.

    • @papabillydeth4723
      @papabillydeth4723 7 років тому +3

      They did mention gorguts they had luc le may talk

    • @papabillydeth4723
      @papabillydeth4723 7 років тому +1

      To be fair the live chat wasn't agreeing on which albums from those bands

  • @crankypest2617
    @crankypest2617 2 роки тому +2

    Yeah I know it is an old episode. But be nice if the sound matched the video..

  • @greggsonic
    @greggsonic 7 років тому +6

    Death - Leprosy, Morbid Angel - Altars Of Madness, Obituary - Slowly We Rot, Cannibal Corpse - Eaten Back To Life, Entombed - Left Hand Path were the essential blue prints of early Death Metal from the late 80's.

    • @luxtenebrae3056
      @luxtenebrae3056 7 років тому

      Damon Scott some of those LHP songs were on earlier Nihilist demos.

  • @nazhastory3720
    @nazhastory3720 7 років тому +40

    Gorguts
    Immolation
    Grave
    Atheist
    Cynic
    Incantation
    Nocturnus
    ...
    You guys forgot some

  • @SpookyApparition
    @SpookyApparition 7 років тому +26

    Carcass - Necroticism belongs on this list for sure

  • @elproducto78
    @elproducto78 5 років тому +29

    80's/90's production is better than current, everything now sounds the same and over produced

    • @erikh3867
      @erikh3867 4 роки тому +3

      It would be awesome to have a blend of the two eras. The cleanliness and clarity of todays recordings with the rawness and realness of the early 90's. I know that doesn't make perfect sense but it does in my head.

    • @nickDOTbloc
      @nickDOTbloc 4 роки тому +1

      @@erikh3867 listen to skeletal remains

    • @Norlaxo
      @Norlaxo 4 роки тому

      @@nickDOTbloc Nice recommendation, instant fan. Cheers mate

    • @MRSludgedude
      @MRSludgedude 4 роки тому

      The only good thing about the new production is getting your guitar tone perfect and you get those crunchy palm mutes. But that's about it.

  • @headphonekiller5
    @headphonekiller5 7 років тому +3

    Atheist 'Unquestionable presence' (1991) is another essential early death metal album. It had a big influence on the prog death subgenre, and more importantly, still kicks ass.
    Also, Napalm Death were very important in europe in their transition to death metal, with Harmony corruption, and Utopia banished.

  • @skullkrusher4418
    @skullkrusher4418 3 роки тому +1

    This is such a great idea! I like hearing metalheads discuss what they think about all the classic albums in each subgenre. It's cool to hear all the different perspectives.

  • @moribnd
    @moribnd 7 років тому +4

    Tour 1995/96: Morbid Angel (with Dave), Dissection, At the Gates.

  • @sudisarkaya7501
    @sudisarkaya7501 7 років тому +2

    I would definitely put the Unleashed debut Where No Life Dwells instead of Sepultura and Cryptopsy. Released in 1991, that album made a huge impact on death metal, and paved the way for new bands especially in Europe. Also the song Before Creation Of Time was the first metal hit that came from the death metal genre.

    • @Akufenx
      @Akufenx 5 років тому

      they are definitely great

  • @sullyb23511
    @sullyb23511 6 років тому +4

    Where would you place Bolt Thrower?

  • @jasonmarkham2592
    @jasonmarkham2592 6 років тому +2

    Both bands are pinnacles of death metal of the era. Celtic Frost, I have just gotten into. I think they influenced many as well. Great video, as usual, Banger. :)

  • @HideousConformity
    @HideousConformity 7 років тому +6

    Possessed should've been put at the top of the board as proto-Death Metal.
    Switching Suffocation with Cryptopsy? That's BS, Suffocation have been far more influential, even creating a whole subgenre (Technical Brutal Death Metal).

    • @hmpz36911
      @hmpz36911 6 років тому +1

      HideousConformity I wouldn't even attach proto to that, because they were death metal, period.

  • @piotrkulpa8034
    @piotrkulpa8034 2 роки тому +1

    Its amazing how such advance and great albums were made by teenage guys sometimes without any music backgrounds

  • @mikkorantanen2544
    @mikkorantanen2544 7 років тому +12

    No one mentioned Cancer! "Death Shall Rise" is my personal favourite of OSDM, but i don't know if it was so "big" in early 90s thou...

    • @spacecadet8843
      @spacecadet8843 7 років тому

      Mediocre album that benefitted from the production. The replay value isn't too good either.

    • @beastofman77
      @beastofman77 7 років тому

      Great album but I was the only one that I knew that listened to it back than

    • @yeahsure8323
      @yeahsure8323 6 років тому +1

      Hung drawn and quartered is my favorite song by them.

    • @filipdzero8739
      @filipdzero8739 5 років тому +1

      Prefer To The Gory End?

  • @D3ADFL35H
    @D3ADFL35H 7 років тому +1

    Obituary’s The End Complete got me into Death Metal. My dad had it on tape, I got my hands on it in fourth grade (1995) and listened to it religiously... after that I was hooked... for life.

    • @jeremyboehm5512
      @jeremyboehm5512 6 років тому

      @CK R Hell yes Obituary are the godfathers of death metal.Love the songs Dead Silence and Killing Time.

  • @miohn
    @miohn 7 років тому +5

    Okay, so, Cannibal Corpse, we heard all the arguments for and against by now. Let's try something different by putting it to the vote.
    Question: should Cannibal Corpse be on the essential early death metal list?
    - Yes, with Tomb of the Mutilated
    - Yes, with The Bleeding
    - Yes, with another album
    - No, not at all
    Vote by replying to this comment!
    *EDIT*
    Results up until now:
    - Yes, with Tomb of the Mutilated: 1
    - Yes, with The Bleeding: 2
    - Yes, with another album: 0
    - No, not at all: 0

    • @miohn
      @miohn 7 років тому +2

      Yes, with tomb of the mutilated

    • @dompepe360
      @dompepe360 7 років тому +2

      Yes, with The Bleeding. :)

    • @tjcaruthers6091
      @tjcaruthers6091 7 років тому +2

      Alexander Vandecaveye yes The Bleeding.

    • @shrimpe2876
      @shrimpe2876 6 років тому

      Yes, tomb of the mutilated

  • @Xatalion
    @Xatalion 4 роки тому +1

    My top 10 early death metal album
    1. At The Gates - Slaugther of The Souls
    2. Pestilence - Consuming Impulse
    3. Dismember- Like An Everflowing Stream
    4. DEATH - Leposy
    5. Entombed - Left Hand Path
    6. DEATH - Scream, Bloody Gore
    7. Massacre - From Beyond
    8. Grave - Into The Grave
    9. Sepultura - Chaos A.D
    10. carcarss - necrotisism

    • @arhaanchettri95
      @arhaanchettri95 4 роки тому +1

      I just want your opinion on why you think Like an Everflowing Stream is more essential than Left Hand Path since the former was inspired by or appeared after the latter and also Dismember, to me, always sounded like a clone of Entombed

  • @jbscornerstore
    @jbscornerstore 7 років тому +12

    In the 90's Chris Barnes vocals were one of the best, if not the best! Tomb of the Mutilated is an absolute genre defining DM release.

    • @pattol666
      @pattol666 Рік тому +1

      Ive always loved the bleeding and chris vocals are insane on that album. Tomb of the mutilated would be the next album i love.

  • @juliangonzalez6215
    @juliangonzalez6215 7 років тому +45

    Napalm death's harmony corruption is also very good

    • @doomusrlc
      @doomusrlc 7 років тому +3

      Julian Gonzalez good, yes. essential? not sure. not sure how many site that album specifically as a huge influence

    • @juliangonzalez6215
      @juliangonzalez6215 7 років тому

      Derek Albert yeah I see what you're saying , but I mean it is good if you like old school death metal like morbid angel, obituary, and death.

    • @tjcaruthers6091
      @tjcaruthers6091 7 років тому +2

      Derek Albert Agreed good but essential not so much. Being more known for grindcore is the main reason why their most death metal album wouldn't be added. But in my opinion it is their best album.

    • @joshuaschake686
      @joshuaschake686 7 років тому +2

      Napalm Death, all of their early stuff, is VERY ESSENTIAL. We would not have death metal without them.

    • @joshuaschake686
      @joshuaschake686 7 років тому +1

      I agree 100% They both influenced each other. In many ways, they created each other. Without E.N.T., Repulsion and Terrorizor, you wouldn't have Morbid Angel and Death. Everyone forgets that Matt Olivo and Scott Carlson of Repulsion played in Death with Chuch Schuldiner. And Tony Norman of Morbid angel played in Terrorizer.

  • @brucenatelee
    @brucenatelee 5 років тому +5

    Cannibal Corpse? "Edgy gore for the sake of it?" DA FUQ IZ RAWNG WIT DAT?!!! Death metal is fun! Let them be fun! Even some of the earlier death metal bands sounded more like thrash with "death metal techniques," but Cannibal Corpse, even now, sounds like they are trying to stay brutal without transitioning too far into melodic or tech death, both of which I do enjoy. Not my number one death metal band in general, personally, but one that always sticks around with me. And yeah, Suffocation and Dying Fetus (unless DF is in the tech death video).

  • @AustinG813
    @AustinG813 2 роки тому +1

    Think the genre should have been broken down more in terms of time periods. This category was 80's and 90's but doesn't have an album beyond 91. By the mid 90s death metal was already breaking apart in to distinguished subgenres that are of course not as essential to early death metal as the bands mentioned

  • @JaySway17
    @JaySway17 4 роки тому +3

    Scream bloody gore is still one of if not the best death metal record of all time

  • @glts8146
    @glts8146 7 років тому +1

    I think that doing a Lock Horns where you had to rank the Death albums in a specific order would be awesome, cuz that would really get heads spinning

  • @deathmonger420
    @deathmonger420 7 років тому +27

    wow I am pretty hurt that Cannibal Corpse was taken off the list. I assume it was mostly for not being able to get it down to one album, which is understandable since they have lots of them. so that said cannibal corpse deserves their own episode. the BIGGEST band in death metal, arguably the best live, shit man.

    • @BangerTV
      @BangerTV  7 років тому +13

      Yup, no consensus was the real reason. It split the vote. A whole episode dedicated to CC is a great idea.

    • @deathmonger420
      @deathmonger420 7 років тому +5

      They have a huge discography and a debate about Barnes/corpsegrinder preference would be interesting, myself being a corpsegrinder enthusiast. I look forward to it guys!!! Love the channel!!!!

    • @doomusrlc
      @doomusrlc 7 років тому +3

      BANGER I could get behind a CC specific episode. not a real fan of the band but would be a great way to learn more about them.

    • @ddave7026
      @ddave7026 7 років тому +2

      deathmonger420 their first one is essential..after that it's just cookie cutter shit

    • @deathmonger420
      @deathmonger420 7 років тому +1

      ***** cookie cutter? Nah

  • @adhominemsis-t.australisensis
    @adhominemsis-t.australisensis 4 роки тому

    What exactly is death metal? And if it began with SBG, then what do we call the even earlier releases from Sepultura and Possessed? I've heard Chuck in a video state outright that he doesn't feel his band were the originators but that this music goes back to Venom and Hellhammer, etc.

  • @screamsfromthegrave3324
    @screamsfromthegrave3324 7 років тому +5

    Morbid Visions came out in November of 86...not 87 lol

  • @kingfillins4117
    @kingfillins4117 2 роки тому +1

    Possessed. Jeff Becerra invented Death Metal in 1979 at age 11 when he wrote Burn In Hell. If you listen to the US Thrash bands of 1983, they sound nothing like the Possessed 1983 demo. Possessed set out to be different and more extreme. They also had the Satanist theme.

  • @alexroth7678
    @alexroth7678 6 років тому +5

    Woah! That last second change taking off Suffocation, not cool Blayne. Not cool!

  • @kingfluffy1979
    @kingfluffy1979 7 років тому +2

    We want more Blayne Smith!!! This guy is really entertaining and knows his stuff.

  • @saberwolfe6363
    @saberwolfe6363 7 років тому +12

    the removal of Effigy at the end there was fucking stuuuuuupid.

  • @MarkL.71
    @MarkL.71 3 роки тому +2

    “Glen Benton is a DB.” “Glen Benton is the Ted Nugent of death metal.” I’m pretty sure if Glen Benton was there, it would been, “Yes, Mr. Benton, sir.” “Thank you for your influence Mr. Benton, sir.” “Can you sign my forehead, Mr. Benton, sir.?”

    • @azeiras
      @azeiras 3 роки тому

      Yeah this is insane, how could they sort of neglected one of the pioneer of aggresive and clean DM, deicide..

  • @ieb994
    @ieb994 7 років тому +16

    Vader - De Profundis should be on this list, that record is as classic as it gets, also has the best production of any death metal record I have ever heard.

    • @florenttenryu5011
      @florenttenryu5011 3 роки тому

      Yes ! This killer record deserves more recognition. Vader is such a good band. Their drummer Doc was so mind blowing !

  • @fredericogobbi
    @fredericogobbi 5 років тому +1

    Very good.
    I put only the Mordid Vision of Sepultura released in 86. I believe this album had a direct influence on the construction of Death and Chuck.

  • @l.p.8041
    @l.p.8041 5 років тому +10

    Bolt Thrower should have been there.
    It got me in to metal, first metal I ever listened to.

    • @Syklonus
      @Syklonus 4 роки тому +1

      It should have been there because you like it? That's pretty arrogant dude.

  • @drlarrymitchell
    @drlarrymitchell 7 років тому +2

    Coroner needs to get some love. Their first three are classics.

  • @tjcaruthers6091
    @tjcaruthers6091 7 років тому +11

    Decide is my favorite band but Legion is the essential album. Glen Benton's vocals are not fully evolved but it is closer to what it sounds like today. Riffs galore crushing and brutal. Scott Burn's masterpiece. The bass isn't overwhelming but is audible. Legion is essential.

    • @jeremyboehm5512
      @jeremyboehm5512 6 років тому +4

      @ Tj Caruthers Gonna have to disagree with you about Legion.First off the bass was overwhelmingly horrible on Legion.Secondly Benton's vocals have never matched the levels he achieved on their first album.Thirdly they have never come close to the overall savagery of their first album.I think after their first album they lost their sound and have never found it.

    • @azeiras
      @azeiras 3 роки тому +2

      @@jeremyboehm5512 there is something that we called creativity and inovative progression to avoid boredom of doing the same thing all over again in your intire life ok,... And human needs is always be evolving and changing through their never ending satisfaction to their early achievement..
      For me their albums even get better and better sounds arrangement and compositions..

  • @modelspeedshop
    @modelspeedshop 4 роки тому +1

    There is a reason why Obituary's 3rd album was titled The End Complete.
    If you don't know and you haven't listened to it. It is the greatest death metal album ever written recorded and produced. Production is absolutely stellar packaging might be the best looking death metal cover ever you can stare at it for 20 years and still find stuff in that picture. Every single track is perfection in the true style that death metal was supposed to be before it went off the extreme cliff. Give it a relisten you'll understand. The End Complete...meaning no more shall come after.

  • @GarryLarryBarry
    @GarryLarryBarry 7 років тому +7

    Do family tree episodes on Tech death and Brutal Death!

  • @KidA0097
    @KidA0097 3 роки тому +1

    Malevolent Creation’s “Retribution” is one of my favorite all time death metal albums!

  • @johnboothman390
    @johnboothman390 5 років тому +3

    they might include some early death metal next time :)

  • @crassforever.4271
    @crassforever.4271 5 років тому

    Firstly love the show guys. Entombed-"Left Hand Path", Carcass-" Necroticism...", Obituary-" Cause of Death", Morbid Angel-" Covenant ", At The Gates-" Terminal Spirit Disease". X.

  • @kevinmitchell4018
    @kevinmitchell4018 4 роки тому +4

    Baphomet: the dead shall inherit& necrophagia: season of the dead deserve honorable mention

  • @Horrorfreak106
    @Horrorfreak106 3 роки тому +2

    I personally really love the production of those early death metal records. Really raw and honest, big sounding drums, plenty of that old school reverb, unique and gritty guitar tones and vocals. I feel like death metal has gotten a bit too cleaned up today for my liking. But hey, that's just me

  • @marekdrahota5723
    @marekdrahota5723 7 років тому +4

    Awesome chanel, great job guys! Glad u mentioned At the gates! Maybe Bolth Thrower The IVth Crusade should be in the ten!
    Cheers

  • @vaderrian3385
    @vaderrian3385 3 роки тому +1

    My intro in to death metal was Napalm Death; Scum & I still listen to that album 20 years later. That would be my essential early death metal album.

  • @oozingpussbrain1130
    @oozingpussbrain1130 7 років тому +3

    CANCER "Death shall rise"! First death metal band that I had heard.

  • @Infyra
    @Infyra 7 років тому +1

    Dismember - Like an Ever Flowing Stream from 1991 should have been on the list.
    An alternative 10 essential albums:
    Death - Symbolic
    Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness
    Atheist - Unquestional Presence
    Edge of Sanity - Crimson
    Gorguts - Obscura
    Dismember - Lik an Ever Flowing Stream
    Autopsy - Mental Funeral
    Cryptopsy - None So Vile
    Carcass - Necrotism
    Entombed - Left Hand Path

  • @joshuaschake686
    @joshuaschake686 7 років тому +23

    I feel that you have lost credibility with this list. You should have made it 15 albums and maybe left your favorite off the list. You should do this one over.

  • @rickdeckard2240
    @rickdeckard2240 5 років тому +1

    I don't really like and listen to Cannibal Corpse but not putting Eaten Back to Life on the selection was a mistake.

  • @bloodyInsano
    @bloodyInsano 7 років тому +3

    The only thing I have to say is that Cannibal Corpse is my favorite band.

  • @froggore52
    @froggore52 7 років тому

    BANGER is by far the best metal channel on UA-cam. Lock Horns is incredibly insightful and enlightening. Keep up the great work.

  • @christophergase1468
    @christophergase1468 7 років тому +6

    Why does no one talk about CANCER Death Shall Rise?
    CFC \m/

  • @kevinmitchell4018
    @kevinmitchell4018 4 роки тому +1

    Is cannibal the acdc of death metal

  • @Duesi73
    @Duesi73 7 років тому +3

    So I'm from Switzerland... You Guys also know Celtic Frost ?
    This is real early Death Metal. I agree on Death too..Chuck forever !

  • @roxanbar1571
    @roxanbar1571 5 років тому

    Im only 26 so my first death metal album was Fused Between Revolving Doors by The Red Chord which I know the old dudes will hate on but that shit was crazy at the time

  • @ferdinandbonghanoy7195
    @ferdinandbonghanoy7195 5 років тому +4

    When you said Death metal its Mobid Angel

  • @jsw0278
    @jsw0278 4 роки тому

    My top ten would be something like this although some people might argue the genre of some of them I guess.
    Death - scream bloody gore
    Possessed - seven churches
    Bolt thrower - realm of chaos
    Morbid angel - altars of madness
    Pestilence - consuming impulse
    Incubus - serpent temptation
    Autopsy - severed survival
    Necrophagia - season of the dead
    Carcass - symphonies of sickness
    Obituary - slowly we rot

  • @isaaczaladar1174
    @isaaczaladar1174 7 років тому +31

    how the fuck isnt immolation here?!the fuck......

    • @tjcaruthers6091
      @tjcaruthers6091 7 років тому

      Isaac Zaladar Already saw one reply but yes Dawn of Possesion was awesome.

    • @PorscheJon
      @PorscheJon 7 років тому +1

      Dude Here In After is one of my all time favorite death metal records

    • @isaacdissonance3967
      @isaacdissonance3967 7 років тому

      PorscheJon is innovative as opossed to none so vile.....

    • @ad-marri
      @ad-marri 7 років тому

      agree

    • @ad-marri
      @ad-marri 7 років тому

      i would toss at the gate in the dumpster to make room for immolation

  • @JCridford
    @JCridford 4 роки тому +1

    When I started getting into death metal, it was At the Gates that gave me the gateway (haha!), then my cousin gave me a stack of albums; most of them are here! Alters of Madness, Left-Hand Path, Consuming Impulse, Human, Heartwork and Slowly We Rot - still play them all the time.

  • @johnsonavery52
    @johnsonavery52 7 років тому +11

    Suffocation isn't Deathcore, or to 'blame' for it.

    • @vladtheimpaler5200
      @vladtheimpaler5200 6 років тому +3

      Get that thorny stick out of your ass. I love all types of death metal and deathcore. Deathcore fans aren't as ignorant as you think. The majority us who are into slam deathcore & newer non scene deathcore bands know where the origins are at.

    • @DEDREP
      @DEDREP 5 років тому

      Suffocation and Death core in the same sentence is tragic.

  • @THATGOATMETALSHOW
    @THATGOATMETALSHOW 7 років тому +4

    what I didn't see is Malevolent Creations Retribution... it was the reigning blood of that time the vocals of bret Hoffman and the killer drumming of Alex Marquez... for this album not even mentioned is a disgrace

  • @ohmaurrfish
    @ohmaurrfish 6 років тому +3

    ONWARD TO GOLGOTHA!!!!!!!

  • @DiscipleFiveActual
    @DiscipleFiveActual 3 роки тому +1

    If we were going to do a top ten early DM list and it were based entirely on my personal tastes, three Carcass albums (Symphonies, Necroticism, and Heartwork) alone would make it in there, but I already know I'm probably in the minority.