2023 CanAm Outlander 500 & 700! All new ATVs from CanAm!
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- Опубліковано 20 лют 2023
- CanAm just released the all new Outlander 500 & 700 ATVs. Will these compete with the strong competition from Yamaha's Grizzly 700 or Suzuki's KingQaud 750?
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At the start of this video my thought was this is a really dumb idea for can am, but the more it went on I am not so sure, why I would switch to can am if I'm a big three Japanese guy
- PRICE
- SUSPENSION TRAVEL (especially if your a KQ man like me)
-OUTLET IN STORAGE BOX(that's cool)
-PRICE AGAIN
definitely not swaying me from Japanese brands yet but I do appreciate can am at least proving the price difference is ridiculous and hopefully sparks change. I'm sure people have success with there can am machines but I see alot of my friends break theirs and have reliability issues, that's the main reason I wouldn't......for now. Great video brother keep em coming! And let us know as soon as you get some feedback on these new machines!
Thanks brother! I may have to pick one up when they come available and do a long form review! Lot's of stuff to cover and I want to get a look under the plastics..
the Japanese quads are well built for the 700's class. i am thinking Can Am will surprise the market place on these new machines because they are not going over 50hp and that is key to long term longevity. I see Can Am raising the Bar with suspension, available accessories, manageable power plant, and years in the business.
@@dankruger2890 yeah it will be interesting, very curious how their new single cylinders will perform and hold up, since they are competing with the big three, I'm sure the built them beefy but we will see
Have you looked at CFMOTOs yet?
@@travisbarr5367 if your asking me, no but I'd love to ride one
Good for CanAm to always be evolving. Hopefully the Japanese will see this as a challenge and step their game up. Long live the Grizzly.
Agreed!
Agreed. Competition is good for everyone.
I love everything about this. It’s nice to see a manufacturer not only making something affordable, but literally addressing the most common customer complaints instead of putting out the same machine year after year with price hikes. I honestly don’t even think it’s a question between an outlander 700 xmr and a grizzly 700 SE. For nearly 2k less, you can get a just as, or dare I say nicer quad. I had a grizz for years until I sold it for an outlander 850, so the grizzly holds a special place in my heart lol
It makes sense for can am ditching the 650 I believe. I think people either bought a 570 or went straight to the 850. As great as the 650 was, I think it’s smarter to get into this class of atv to directly compete with Japanese models, and also have a line to compete with Polaris. It’s appealing to people who just want a modest, affordable atv and also appeal to the top of line atv market.
Yep! I think they're walking a tight rope to find the best niche and keep the sales up!
I think it's a great move. Cfmoto is absolutely crushing the market here like Polaris used to in value and change. The more competition we have the better products/value will have to be.
Yeah I definitely agree with that
It's depressing
Don't bu China crap. They could be sanctioned at any time and then no parts or support. Besides you want parts made in North America, and built in North America.
@@cszulu2000 I wish that would be the case
I work in one of Canadas biggest shipping companies and we move quads on the daily, I've noticed a huuuuuuuuuge influx of CFMoto's more specifically the brand new models over the last year, wonder if it's because of all the options and features and great pricing. I also heard it's pretty easy to finance those CFMoto's.
All I can say is at least maybe these companies are realizing that all of us customers cant afford a 12 to 15,000 dollar atv or even need it. Alot of my friends are wanting to go back to atvs, and are selling their sxs's. They say they miss the fun factor and their wives and kids wanna drive themselves. Expensive atvs make it hard to be a family sport like it use to 10 to 15 yrs ago. So kudos to these companies for helping a hard working american family enjoy this sport again, and get out and ride the trails and go to events together with family and friends. What I dont understand though is this 700/650 single cylinder finding its way into their 700XT commander sxs and their new atv with only 50hp when they had a bullet proof 650 vtwin with 62hp. But anyways glad to at least see some interest again in atvs from these companies. It will benefit all of us trail riders. All the people who want big power there is a 850 or 1000 vtwin atv for you. But the others dont need all that power. Sometimes riding slower and together as a group is a blast too. Stay safe and happy trails to all.
I'm seeing that too around where I live.....people going back to ATV's after they've gotten disenchanted with SXS's. Their kids get older, they don't want the backseat of a trail bus. They want to drive themselves. So mom and dad trade in their overpriced golf cart and get four or five ATVs. But 4 or 5 ATVs nowadays is EXPENSIVE! So these mid range, entry level ATVs sell quite well.
Great comment, I agree completely 12-15k is too much.. I love seeing folks return to ATVs tho!
@@utahwanderlust700
A company needs to remember that not everyone has alot of money for the biggest, fastest, most expensive atv, nor wants it.
I myself have had to buy 4 atvs for the family and I didnt want used ones. And my kids were 10 to 12 yrs old then. I had sport and utility atvs. And 4wd wasnt ever needed on trail, we just went around big mud holes. Anyone riding sport machines know what I am talking about. When I was young a 2wd atv or 3 wheeler was all we had and we had many fun, great, excitiing miles on them. My sons had the bruteforce 300 and DS 250 when they were young and I drug alot of deer out of the woods with them and jumped on them alot and enjoyed the ride. So I think that Can Am offering that in a bigger atv class may sell. Alot of people really dont need 4x4, and if u dont have 4x4 u dont need power steering. So 1 plus 1 equals smaller price, great torque, and loads of fun that dont break the bank.
I want a machine that is somewhat affordable and easy to maintain. This checks those boxes. Not everyone needs an 850 or 1000.
Are these engines any different from motorcycle engines or why are the power numbers so low? For example Husqvarna has their 693cc single cylinder that makes 74 hp.
I won’t lie the price point for the outlander 700 is very encouraging coming in at a quarter less than the grizzly 700s average msrp
I think it is definitely a move that will increase overall sales numbers for canam. The market needs more affordable options for sure. Also I like the fact that they address the long standing complaint about how hot they're a ATVs run. I'm interested to see if this new engine truly combats that issue. Selfishly however I was really hoping for them to bring back a sport quad.. 🤷🏻♂️ oh well. Lets see what happens in the next 6 months. I haven't given up hope. .. another great video big guy 💪🏻💪🏻
I wanted a sport quad too, but yeah I think this was an understandable move..
The 570 v twin and 450 were a better bang for buck by far.
@@destinhook3826 I just got scared away cause I've heard some bad things about the Ls and seals going out
Maybe they’ll bring back a 500 single cylinder Renegade at an attainable price point for most folks who wanna do dirt stuff 🤷🏽♂️
I think it's nice to see utility quads back to being more utility oriented. This opens the door to bring sport quads back to the market.
Quads are the true trail riding experience and mans best friend...and ladies!
100%!!!
Solid rationale presented here and great job making sense of this intro! 👊💥🎉
Thanks DT! Hope to see you guys on one soon!
Well just when I thought I finally settled on a platform they go and do this. I’ve been watching videos and reading Facebook groups for weeks to settle on a Grizzly or a Kingquad to rip some trails and make my SxS buddies jealous. Back to the drawing boards but spring is coming fast! Looking forward to a review and shootout.
I'm not sure when these will be available but it would be sweet to grab one!
They are all good machines and you can't go wrong with any of them.
I don't doubt they will be right up there in handling and performance but I'd wait until year two... bound to be some growing pains with the first gen.
I think this is a smart move for can-am, it might help them in the long run. Though I don't think it's going influence some buyers right out the gate. I have been planning on buying a quad and plan to pick it up this week. Even though this news did make me pause and consider changing my mind, I didn't. My experience with new products right out the gate is not all the quirks and kinks have been worked out. So for now I will stick with tried and true. Picking up my new king quad 750 on Saturday.
Congratulations on the KQ! I think you're right, these aren't the machines that make you want to go trade your old ones in right away... But I think they'll do good long term too..
I heard something about easier maintenance intervals, but I didn't see any proof.
And what's with the huge space between the front tires and the fenders? Looks like tractor tires could fit underneath.
Yeah I couldn't say on the maintenance but I hear a lot of folks saying they don't like the look..
Honestly can't wait to see how the 700 will stack up against Grizzly, KingQuad, and Brute Force!
That is the ultimate question!! I'd really like to grab one and run it against our other Singles..
@@DirtObseXXion oh it's also a single?
@@FullsendOffroad It is they are both a 650cc single cylindre so it means it wont take long before Dynojet release a tune for the 500 to tune it back to a 650
@@TileLFA makes sense
I think CFMOTO has made them open their eyes and build two new ATVS with features that tons of people wanted in a price and size category that are sensible. In all actuality Honda and Yamaha have been selling people the same ATV for the last 15years bearly upgrading anything. No cool features like led lights, better storage, better racks, ect.....
I'm a stickler for torque? And I have always loved the V-Twin aspect of an ATV. having enough power to turn the tires in mud and the torque to pull or drag, big loads were always the eye catcher from me with Can-Am.
But over the years I can see that a big single cylinder can do everything you need and is much cheaper and less maintenance than the big v twins.
I would have liked them to keep the twin cylinder in all models but cost plays a factor. I think maybe a 700 twin would have been better than a single cylinder.
I'm here for it and like what I'm seeing!
I was hoping these were going to be additions too.. I think they'll be easier to maintain, that's a complaint we had with the Outlander 1000.. Everything is packed in so tight it's hard to work on.
Was hoping you guys were going to drop a video on this today to see your thoughts lol.
I honestly think the 700xt is the most solid deal under 10k now that the Japanese 700s have seen increases over the last couple years. If you compare this to the bumper/winch model griz and KQ you’re saving multiple thousands. Is the power matched to those 2, probably not but for someone looking for a fully loaded 700 class this is a bargain imo.
Love the content as always boys, happy trails!
Thanks!!! Yeah I wish I new they were coming but anytime something new comes ti the market it's pretty exciting.. Even if not everyone is happy about it..
@@DirtObseXXion if it were up to UA-cam commenters every manufacturer would only make fire breathing 850s and 1000s 🤣
@@bill_b8440 LOL! True, I think commenters don't always realize that they are enthusiasts who are really into ATVs.. Manufacturers have to sell to normal people who aren't obsessed with numbers too.. 😁
Can't wait to buy one at my local bass pro shop
LOL! I sure hope they don;t brand these out.. That just cheapens the AC brand in my opinion.
Not understanding this move . The looks are so-so but kinda look like the new arctic cats . I’ll keep my KQ forever
Not a strong enough pull to trade away from a KQ or a Grizzly, that's for sure..
Agreed!
Did they fix the ease of oil changes, or do you still have to remove panels to get to the oil filter and drain?
That's a great question.. I'd guess it's easier because it should be on a single but I'm not 100% sure..
For starters, I love to see a redesign of a quad that really hadn’t reached its half-life yet.
It’s also great to see a more affordable offering from Can Am, Who for years has been at or near the top of price charts.And it seems like the storage and aesthetic upgrades will sell many fans.
Despite your channels love for Japanese single cylinder models, I don’t think you are going to have the same Love for this machine.
Correct me if I’m wrong but the new outlander 700xt single cylinder model is physically larger and heavier than even the can am outlander 1000 xt v-twin.
Nonetheless, I Love the price drop. This will let people buy a full size North American ATV under 10k. Can’t wait to try one, I wonder how the balance will be with the engine relocation?
Other manufacturers… were you at? Polaris? Yamaha? Kawasaki? What are you going to do about this!!!
PS. SXS’s are stacking up at powersports stores in central Florida. I spoke with the GM at my local store the other day who said that for the first time in 6 years they are turning down deliveries of new SXS’s. Maybe the overpriced, overrated SXS fad is finally on deaths doorstep.
Well, we like CanAms too.. We've got an Outlander 1000.. I think these machines will be solid... That's actually good to hear about the SXSs.. I think that wave peaked when folks started believing they needed 160hp Turbo charged machines in order to 15mph on a trail..
LOL…I do 95% of my riding on my own property but in early 2020 my brother had his bachelor party at a place called the Peace River campground in Arcadia, Florida and the place was packed with $35,000 SXS’s. I even saw a guy riding a rzr 1000 pro turbo with a full fire suit and three point harnesses. Yet, there is a 9.5 MPH speed limit on the property… it was hilarious.
Your right about the over stock at the dealers but my dealer is still not cutting a deal because they told me that the price was MSRP plus $3,000.
I think Can-Am are doing the right thing here. By looking at their website you are able to get a basic ATV for a decent price. It looks like everything is an add-on however, so if you want bumpers, skid plates, A-arm guards, etc it will still be around the same price as other brands or perhaps a little cheaper. I think most riders would trade a bit of HP for increased reliability, ease of maintenance, and comfort. All of which are TBD, but if I were looking for a new quad these would be near the top of the list.
That's true.. Sometimes the aftermarket is less expensive but it will take time for the aftermarket to catch up to the new design. But yeah, increased reliability and easy maintenance are big pluses..
Great video guys
Thanks Scott!
I’m a little confused, there is a 2023 Can Am Outlander 570xt sitting on my local dealers floor right now.
But I looked at Can Am’s website and the outlander XT only comes in 500,700, 850 and 1000.
Did Can Am have two separate 2023 model year releases?
Yes they did.. Early 2023 release was the same 450, 570, but the dropped the Outlander 650 and added the Renegade 650.. This would technically be a 2023.5 release.. Im guessing the new ones were supposed to be out over a year ago but the whole world lost their minds for a bit..
If you listen closely you can hear the keyboard strokes for a resignation letter for Polaris’ off-road marketing and product development manager.
A few days ago they thought they could sell for sportsman single cylinder 450 with power steering for $9,000. Now they are running for the mayor of shitsville.
The front storage compartment is great too.
yeah, they thought that stuff out pretty well!
First off thank you for the video. It's great news in that it's great to see a manufacturer actually putting resources and time into atv's beyond little changes to an existing model. But the guys I ride with one of them have a 2021 570 can-am, I've spent time on it and I personally think it's the best bang for the buck of any quad...so will the new ones be better? Sometimes new isn't better its just new. The old 570 was a lot of quad for the money.
I agree with that wholeheartedly.. Those 570s and 650s were a lot of bang for the buck.. They were the best value in ATVs in my opinion.. I don't think the new ones will have the same power punch, but I'm guessing they'll prove to reliable and a good value over time... Hope so anyway.
Looking forward to your guys reviews when you get your hands on one. That will determine whether I go for the new Outlander 700 or Grizzly 700.
Canam have their engines in rear facing in their new mid lineup. That's a win for Arctic Cat since they have been doing that the last couple years on their new Alterra 600 line up.
Yeah I agree, that's why i mentioned it in the video!
Besides the p-drive primary, is anything else changed in the clutch and transmission? Is the canam hump gone?
Great question. I couldn't honestly answer based on the limited information from CanAm but I do know that BRP has been using the pDrive in snowmobiles for a few years.. There's supposed to be less friction by using rollers instead of sliders in the primary clutch, so in theory it should be smoother operations
@@DirtObseXXion yeah let's wait and see. They're using them in the Defender or Commander or X3. Can't remember but anyway, that and the hot legs due to the very lean mixture and exposed exhaust pipes are on the top of my complaints with my outlander max XT 650
Whole new chassis and suspension
Just purchased a new outlander a h7 Pro XU ..Can not believe how quiet , smooth and comfortable the machine is ! I think they made a winner ...
Awesome stuff 👏 👌
What kind of camera and settings do you use for shooting your atv videos?
Depends on which shot you're talking about and whether or not I shot it.. I use GOPROs and Gimbals 99% of the time, a Sony NXU7 I think, and the shot of the Scrambler S was one we did with ATVONDEMAND so that was a fancy Sony.. I forget the model..
@@DirtObseXXion thanks for the reply! My buddy bought that Polaris 525! We've been talking about making a few videos..
@keiththesquirrel OH nice! That was a sweet quad! I'd start with a gopro, the hero 8 is the best value vs capability right now in my opinion.. Let me know when you get some vids up!
They had it nailed and dropped the ball. Glad i bought my 2022 outlander max xt 650 before they imploded.
how is there not a budget 2wd 500 renegade?! Either I missed it or someone at can am messed up
Hi😊 I like your videos, so informative and I can definitely hear you guys know what you are talking about👍what atv should I buy to ride across the African continent? Thinking it should be an reliable adventure kind of atv who can travel a big distance. But what brand and model?
That's an interesting question! I'd say it depends on your intentions with the trip.. I'm assuming you're not racing and will need to carry quite a bit of gear with you.. That means a Raptor 700 is out, fuel consumption is important because you're going to have to carry extra fuel, so I wouldn't want a big twin, reliability is a factor so you want something proven, and heat, dust, sand would be constant so the the air induction system has to be great.. I'd do a Honda Rubicon or Suzuki's KingQuad
@@DirtObseXXion thank you for answering. I was already thinking kingquad. So I'm glad you confirmed it would be the right one👍
@Steffan Kristiansen KingQuad was my first instinct because I like it more than the Rubicon.. The wet clutch CVT will be super reliable and it's air intake is a little better than the Grizzly.. We did a full comparison on the KingQuad vs Grizzly 700 recently and an individual test video on each if you're interested.. Either way good luck with your trip and thanks for checking us out!
Can't wait for it
Great review sounds like the can am engineers watch dirt obsexxion!
Lol! Poor guys...
I wonder if they have the driveline chatter, figure it out and the clunking of engagement and disengagement when you are on and off the throttle ?
That drove me nuts and it’s the biggest reason I went with grizzly and Suzuki but this new outlander looks impressive
Going to be tough to champion the Grizz but I am excited for this change up
Definitely going to be tough to put down a Grizz.
I’ve got my eye on that 700 xmr. Hoping to pick one up at some point.
Nice!
To put the great value of these new Outlanders in perspective. The MSRP on the Outlander 700 base is currently $7,799 USD. Adjusting for inflation, this would buy you a Honda Rancher back in 2004/2005. The alpha predator of that time was the Brute Force 750 (briefly) and listed for around $7,500.
Great points!
Probably a step forward, hopefully quality was one of the focuses during design and build of these mash ones.
700 is plenty to have fun.
I've heard good things so far, but it's still early to truly know the long-term quality and reliability.
i m a grizz guy here but love the fact that they finally lifted the front end higher.
I'm Grizz guy too, but I think they thought these out pretty well..
also nobody else offers so much accessories. used to be yamaha sleds also went to ski doo because of that.
Dealer input here
These are ok …but we are little late to the game
I could have made these work around 2017 2018 ish, but saying goodbye to the 570 and 650 Vtwin makes me a bit skeptical as those engines being my best sellers for quite some time.
For my store it was always 570 and 650 max XT that kept the rolling for ATV sales.
Side by Side took a bigger chunk of sales from ATV then Asian brands for our demographic.
I feel at this point that more focus on our clutches/shifting and controlling crazy price increases would have helped the existing line up for the next couple years
Thanks for that input! Making these affordable and easier to use will hopefully help.. Ive heard from several dealers that couldn't keep the 450, 570, and 650 in stock.. It's harder to move the 15k machines
That's what I don't get is everybody loved the 570 and 650 vtwins but canam goes and gets rid of those for a single thumper to be just like everybody else. Stupid move IMO.
@@cranedaddy678 just like everyone else,but for a lot less $$.in Canada,the difference between a Can Am and a Grizzly are multiple thousands.i was happy enough to see an affordable option that i just bought the new CanAm.the Grizzly changes the tires and graphics and tacks on a few more grand every time.
@@edwardcote1331 You proved my point. You bought the canam because it was basically the same thing as what you really wanted. Canam had a unique product but I guess they'll be happy to be the budget brand.
Considering CFmoto's competitive pricing, I figured it was only a matter of time before some of the big manufacturers started bringing back some more budget friendly options. They may have finally realized that a lot of people these days can't afford or simply don't want a $15000 quad...Hopefully Polaris will pick up on that soon as well.
Now CanAm just needs to make these as readily available as the MOTOs... CFMOTO has done a great job at building their dealer network over the last 3 years. CanAm has the dealers but the inventory is lacking.
@@DirtObseXXion I was just comparing the options, size, and price between Can Am and CFMOTO and CFMOTO still beats them pretty handedly. Like you said CFMOTO actually has a good selection at dealers right now at least in my area that all the other brands do not have right now
@@DirtObseXXionyes CFMOTO dealer network has gone insane.
I been wanting a cforce 800 2 up before I got my 2018 Sportsman XP1000 and back then couldn't find a dealer that had one but I can do a dealer search now and 30 dealers are close.
It look like I'm sticking with Polaris for now but because they somehow just keep falling in my lap at crazy good deal and I love the AWD and I just watch you review on the Scrambler S and you and Brian talked about how good the AWD is and I know it is spot on. I will be getting my Scrambler S in the next day or 2.
@@travisbarr5367 the nearest cf moto near me is a 4 hr. drive one way,or i'd have a cforce in my garage.my can am dealer is a 15 min drive,with 4 dealers within an hours drive so i have options when i need parts/service.
@@edwardcote1331 talk to your local dealers and see if they will look into picking up CFMOTO
I've owned 5 can am machines and I won't do that to myself again .
Great for them to try something new but I was there when they came out with the 400 and wow that cost me alot of money and down time .
My favorite quad out of the 16 I have owned is the 2020 grizzly XTR but I now own a cf moto overland.
I didn't do it for price .
I did it because it shifts smooth , it's quiet and there is no clacky clutch noise .it's comfortable for long rides and plows snow really well with a 6 foot plow . The power is steady and predictable.
So if a manufacturer can provide a customer with a product they can enjoy and be satisfied with in today's economy.....bingo
I've been looking at Can-Ams for a while. I've been wanting a 650 twin cylinder because I love how the Can-Am sound. I'm actually disappointed to find out that both 700 and 500 only a single cylinder. The rest of the machines are very intriguing to me and I'd like to see what the gauge package shows. Now I'm going to have a hard decision if I find a used 650 or I buy a new 700 outlander due to the fact that we don't have a twin cylinder on the new 700. I currently have a 19 grizzly 700 and it's the best four-wheeler I've ever had. I have no intentions on getting rid of it. I absolutely love it!.
I'm a Grizzly fan too, but if you really want to see what CanAm is all about I'd go with the Outlander 850.. The power is their calling card, but nothing else is close to as good as the Grizzly
Meh the twin is like a heat gun between your legs. Power is still nice with this 700 thumper and should have a punchier low end. And it seems like the new 700 is replacing the 570 in terms of price and power and 500 replacing the 450.
@@andrewsbbq I've noticed that mine throws out heat because of the stupid design of the exhaust
@@wizard_of_poz4413 it’s heat from everywhere lol. I don’t think this change was specifically due to heat, there are lots of pros and cons to each format
This should hopefully be lighter, lower CofG, and better packaged.
@@DirtObseXXion well is the 700 single can am have a nice quiet sound to it. Or is it louder than the like twin Can-Ams cuz those are one of the things I really liked about the Can-Ams they're twin cylinders had such a nice, smooth yet powerful sound to them.
The new can am is gonna have its hands full with the kingquad 750 and grizzly 700 for competition, I just don’t see it trumping the two kings of the single cc market , but I guess can am has a little history making single cc motors with the outlander 450 , not to mention also has the 750 Vtwin brute force to contend with aswell . but I can’t wait to see which beats what in performance , the can am 570 or the can am 700!
I know that I've been really happy with my can am compared to the Japanese bikes because it just seems like a much more professionally made machine that's definitely a cut above the competition
Price point will be the main draw I think. The two Kings are pulling in some serious coin nowadays.
I can get a new Outlander 700xt and save $3000 CDN out the door compared to the Grizzly 700 XTR. That’s significant, and with those savings I can buy all sorts of bells and whistles to make it even better.
@@BC_Hunter like to see how it compares in performance
The extra weight might not matter that much. It's not like any of the sport/utility quads are lightweight like a sport quad, just various levels of hefty. I've never ridden one but the Polaris 570 trail is supposed to be a nice handling machine and it's a bloated 870 pounds!
I'm sure Can Am has decided that it's more important for these machines to tow and haul more as opposed to being relatively lightweight for sport use.
I think the weight is in the steel wheels and beefy chassis
Yeah, it seems like they wanted to make them more heavy duty. I don't really get all the comments on them looking bad. I know looks are subjective, but they certainly aren't ugly. The storage is pretty cool.
Can Am probably figures if you want an "affordable " sport 4x4, they have the 650 renegade. Which is true.
Cam-Cat?, Arctic-AM?, Cartic-Aat?
It's a bold move for Can-Am to cut a cylinder out of thier engines in that mid-range market after boasting HP numbers for many years compairable to higher CC models in thier class. We will see how things pan out when they start getting them on the trails.
I like the fact that there are companies out there who are "value marketing" models again. With $15,000 ATV's and $50,000 SXS's it's needed.
Yep, affordable options were definitely a gap in the market.
I'm not sure how I feel about this. I know some people like a single cylinder, but v-twins that punch above their displacement has been can am's trademark. I have owned several Grizzly's and grew up on Yamaha products. I currently own a 2023 700 Grizzly, a 2020 570 outlander xmr, and a 2020 600 cforce . The Grizzly and cforce are fine machines, but they feel lacking in power compared to my 570 xmr. The 500 seems to compare well with the cf moto 500 and Honda 520 so it makes a lot of sense. The 700 is what confuses me a bit. Yes, it puts can am in direct competition with the grizzly/kingquad and may solve the heat issue, but I think a lot of can am owners will feel like a 50hp 700 single is a step back from a 62hp 650 twin. Even the 570 is pushing close to 50hp. I think the best thing about this may be as others have said that the Japanese brands may be forced out of their comfort zones by this. Hopefully we will see Yamaha/Suzuki/Kawasaki go after can am and Polaris in the 800-1000 market.
I'm not sure what the Japanese manufacturers will do but someone mentioned that this move really streamlines the production process and that makes a ton of sense.. But I agree the motors are a step down powerwise.. But if I got a canamid probably go 850 or 1000 anyway
i drove in to town today to pick up a package at the post office.on a whim i went into the local can am dealer and paid cash for a red 2023 outlander 500. on order and will be here at months end.time to order bumpers,cargo box and a winch.fortunately i have a brand new set of 14"alloy rims and 28" carnivores from my side by side that i picked up a couple days before the tracks went on for the winter.they go on the outlander now and the oems back on the side by side.the oem outlander rims are getting chains to be dedicated winter tires.
Bought the 7 hunting edition and it's a great atv !!
Awesome! Thanks for stopping by!
Funny how the almost look like a grizzly and king quad… great video guys!
Thanks B! Good to see you again brother!
@@DirtObseXXion always watching from the shadows 😂
I'm really curious if these new power trains are now easier to service. I love my 850 but damn they make a simple oil change complicated
That's a great question! I hope so too, it can't be any harder!
Its gonna be real easy. The whole side panel comes off and you can see all of the motor.
I wish they could've made it look a little bit better, but personally if they are going to make a 2WD 500, why not do a sport quad? Also it's seems like Can Am and Polaris are both looking at Arctic Cat because Polaris also just released the new Sportsman high lifter 1000 ( no sxs highlifter still )in the same color scheme. It's always awesome to see any attention paid to the atv market though. Atv's over sxs's all day!
Oh you know we wanted to see a sport quad!!!
@Dirt ObseXXion I mean it's like they come out with the sickest kids atv the DS110 why not do a DS 500 or 700. Give some sort of comp. to yamaha
Part of me wonders in a way what the 2 wheel drive 500 would be like bashing on the trails, almost like a auto sport/utility quad. I live in Michigan and honestly I hardly ever use 4x4 except in deeper snow, which is getting more rare these days. Sometimes I really question if I truly need a 4x4.
That's why I think the 2wd is a great option.. I rarely use 4x4 either
@@DirtObseXXion My first quad was 2 wheel drive 1994 Polaris Trail boss 300. I rarely ever got it stuck, especially after I put different rear tires on. I am curious to the way the 2 wheel drive 500 would ride without the weight of the front diff and driveshaft up front. Might be a fun budget trail slinger....and honestly I always felt half the fun was trying to get through stuff without 4x4 and use.more rider skill and picking lines then just throwing it in 4x4
I still have my 07 outlander xt and absolutely hate it. The engine braking on is so ridiculous its hard and irritating to ride. I've never ridden a newer can am but I'm assuming they're not all like that. But I've grown to hate mine so much, I don't know if I could ever buy another CanAm. Definitely be buying a grizzly soon. They seem to have a hell of a reputation.
Those old Gens were pretty bad.. They've definitely improved but they never really did it for me.. My buds like them a lot though.. Im a Grizzly fan personally
Awesome rental machines.
I bet its light in the front and not worth a crap up steep hills, I dont like the front end up in the air this way, and I wish they would have kept the round head lights and I dont know how I feel about sitting over top a engine. but i'll give it a chance but I still bet its to light in the front end.
I like a light front end personally. But I ride a Raptor most of the time. Hopefully the center of balance is good with the engine placement where it is..
They have some great prices on these!
Not really a 650cc at 9800 is pretty normal if not high
But these are 8799.. I think they're priced pretty well
@@DirtObseXXion $12500 canadian all in for a 500 dps.still a little high,but about 7k cheaper than a grizzly 700 dps se up here.that's a crap ton of mod money left over.i can throw a tune/muffler and a clutch kit at it down the road if i think i need it and still have thousands left over.i'm one of the guys that simply can't use a 700.i don't mud and my local trails are all single track treed, winding trails.any more power and i'll kill myself.if i feel the need for speed i can take my side by side down the forest service roads.and before you all crap on me,i have a sxs for working my property,i'm not one of "those" guys.the dump box on my pioneer 1000 is invaluable to me.
Hopefully they'll do a 6x6 version
I think they still have the 6x6 with the 650 twin which makes a ton of sense because it's more powerful
@@DirtObseXXion Yes...they also offer it in a 450. But the 700 would be cheaper to produce than the 650 and wouldn't have the heat concerns and reduced maintenance intervals.
I think they were an alright idea, but do you guys see it kind of resembles a brute force?
It's a little boxy like a BF.. Ive heard it compared to the Alterra too but I still think it looks like an Outlander.. It does kinda feel like CanAm is trying to find themselves a little
This was unexpected. To compete with the Japanese ATVs. I won't mention the Chinese because I would never buy one or even consider it. Can am's entry here is well thought out. There are good things and some that fall short. I think Yamaha has a better steering option and the best belt wear in the industry. We'll see how the Can am works on these new engine placement vehicles. Can am has a much better price point and new features and storage. I like a selectable locker better than visco. I like the racks, clearance, ergonomics, and would consider a Can am in my search for a mid-sized ATV. I guess it's time for Yamaha to finally step up it's game. It has been a great ATV for a long time and still is better in many ways than others. I can't wait to see what they do.
Yeah Yamaha is still the benchmark.. But it's always exciting to see some new releases. I know a lot of enthusiasts prefer big twin power, but IMO a big single is perfect in an ATV. Keep it light and nimble and it's easier to hold a decent trail pace. Big twins are so heavy that the additional power is kind if null on real trails.
Smart move from a company standpoint. Keep manufacturing costs down by using one engine and chassis for multiple models and offer a budget friendly options to the consumer. I think they will complete with Japanese brands and sell as long as they have available inventory
You should get a V4S..
@@DirtObseXXion Hell yeah that rally model is sweet. I just need to save $30,595
@@theviking4525 As a GS owner.. 30K is crazy
Smart move if you want a 500 or 700 class you got it and if you want bigger step up to the 850 to 1000 class so simple dont under stand what all the bitching is about and the new honda and yamaha are like 15000 dollars in Canada plus tax its crazy great job Can am and thanks Dirt ObseXXion for seeing what i see the truth great video once again guys please find one and test it for us
Thanks Dennis! I understand some folks wanting to see something different but for 99% of applications the big single is probably better. Especially for folks entering the market. Hopefully we can grab one eventually!
The glovebox moves the rider back. A v twin has more torque. I never thought the engine heat was a issue. Will the new engine lower the CG
I don;t think it moves the rider back to far.. But yeah, a lot of folks will miss the twin. Heat was a huge issue for us, especially on the bigger ones, but a fuel programmer takes care of it. They just run a bit lean.
I think its going to spark the japanese mfg with this revelation not sure what that will be but hopefully a 2up 850 but i do like the direction can am is going now with the singles , my personal opinion is the japanese still and will produce a better atv , great job on the video
Thanks! I think your right, quality will stay with Japanese machines but the price point is the biggest draw on these. I think they're a good value if they prove to be reliable.
@@DirtObseXXion Yup good value and reliable machines are always good to see to come to market , Can Am makes a good product i have been looking for a used outlander 6x6 haha mabey new 650 would be big enough but i wood def be interested if they brought out one in a 700 👍👍
I think you hit the nail on the head though. They don't need anymore performance models. They need to look at less experienced or just customers that don't want or need all that power. Plus, have an outlander 1000 myself, I can say the heat from the engine sucks.
Exactly.. It's more about new riders entering the market in my opinion.. The more folks on ATVs the better
@@DirtObseXXion 💯
@@hydro_rebel7741 I've noticed it's because of the cvt blowing over top of the exhaust pipe
I would still perfer a kingquad over any of these.
Nothing wrong with a KQ 🤘
What the top speed of this atv?
Unknown right now.. if I had to guess I'd say upper 60s mph
Thanks !
Should have went with 570 and 650 for the outlander and hd5 hd7 in the outlander pro
Yeah, it sucks to see those engines go away.
I personally think it’s a cool idea but I would love to see a 250/350 size atv more for young teens and smaller adults that don’t want or couldn’t handle a full size atv chassis similar to the old Yamaha bruin or Timberwolf
This is truly a missed-out-on market. I used to search and search for a Polaris Hawkeye when my sons were younger. No one makes a smallish size 4x4 ATV.
I'll get to see them when they come in for service or after a wreck. The local CanAm dealer has a way of chasing away customers after a sale and we get most of them. Love to ride them but the mechanics hate to work on them. As in all machines, always have another as a backup just in case it takes a while to diagnose and replace broken parts.
Yeah the benefit of the long run of the Japanese ATVs is parts availability. Not sure how easy it will be to get parts for these.. At least initially.
@@DirtObseXXion Parts present a major problem at times and new is nice till it breaks. At this point I have backups for my backups including 6 four wheel drives and 6 Honda and Yamaha 3 wheelers, you never know!
Really like the 650 v twin just sits in that sweet spot
If Kawasaki could face lift there 750 and Yamaha get that v twin 850 onto the grizzly I guess this middle market isn’t moving for awhile
It'll be interesting to see how it does
theyre both 650cc engines. interesting business model to lock hp behind a pay wall, similar to the 600efi in the snowmobiles with 40-55-85 hp options and the 900ace 90-130-180. 900ace and 600ace also used in sxs and pwc, smart really.
Yeah it is kind of a pay wall.. Smart from a manufacturing standpoint but hopefully it doesn't spread to things like locked performance modes..
@@DirtObseXXion It is already kinda, just ordered a 2024 snowmobile 900 ace turbo R 180hp, launch control is only available with the upgraded 1500$ premium gauge, i really dont want or need a 10+inch touchscreen display on a snowmobile.
Think about what they did. They where able to streamline their manufacturing, one engine, two tunes. By doing this they get to scrap the other engine's and all the different part's that go with them. You have to remember the supplier hell that businesses went through. Chevy's new Colorado has one engine three different outputs. It's a smart Business move. Hopefully this means they will be readily available for customers.
Excellent point and probably exactly what they were going for..
I was hoping for a xtp 700
Hey Guys, Wonderful Video today really like the idea of a new CanAm and it looks fun. Huge 👍354 here hope you all have a Wonderful Weekend!
Thanks Chas!
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Maybe Yamaha and Suzuki will take this as a challenge to their strong hold in the single cylinder market and come back with V-twins of their own 🧐
Something needs to light a fire in their butts..
They're nice looking machines (as usual) with innovative design (as usual), but if they're goal is to compete against the Japanese machines well . . . they're going to have to step up their game when it comes to quality control and reliability a whole ton more or this experiment will be a big FAIL! We'll know in a few years (mark it on your calendar for your next review if these machines Chad - lol), but until then, it'll be interesting to see the first video featuring a machine in CanAm's new line-up where the words, "I smell antifreeze/coolant" are spouted out - LOL
Thanx for the breakdown my friend. Very nicely done (as usual)!
I think this is a great idea for Can Am. The price point on these quads are spectacular for what your getting. I know I'll ruffle some feathers for saying this, but Honda ain't got nothing to compete here in this class of power. I would take a 700 in a heartbeat for that price. I paid more for my Brute.
I agree, the price compared to what you get is fantastic!
I know my 23 1000R xt outlander doesn’t need 4x4, but I’d like to have it just in case
but what about the 1000 v twin and 850
No change.. But it does look the 850 will be available in XTP trim, so that's pretty cool as long as they keep the base model too..
I like what Can Am has done here. They still have their performance machines And now they have some reasonably priced thumpers. The only thing that concerns me is the 500 and 700 having the same engine (different cam). Could this be the start of a paywall for ATV's?
I mean it is kind of a pay wall really.. Hopefully they don't do like adventure bikes and make you pay extra for performance ride modes. LOOKING AT YOU KTM!
@@DirtObseXXion when it come time to rebuild the top end of the 500 you can big bore it out and put the higher performance 700 cams in and have even more proper big bore thumper power. So an upgrade path is still there for the 500 using stock oem tuned and reliable parts. Plus can am can still make more money and stay in business longer because they are using essentially the same exact motor for two different machines. A modern 650 thumper should have no problem putting out 60hp and 55tq at the crank.
They should come up with xmr outlander with a 8000 ccc
So like... A tank?
I think it’s great…esp price point & also pushing the competition to up their game. Wouldn’t it be something if Yamaha released an 800 - 1000 twin to get back at Can-Am for attempting to steal their customers from the 700 class of atvs?
Now that's a competition I could get behind!
It will, and it's about time one of the main competitors has made an affordable machine. Honda needs to up its game and replace the boring 520 with ~at least~ the 675 pioneer engine. Yamaha, well, they need to start adjusting prices. At the end of the day though, quality will still remain with the Japanese brands, no matter how outdated they may be. I believe Can-Am relies on buyer turnover every 3-4 years. However I must admit, their advertising strategy is great.
Yeah they're marketing better than most.. Good points too!
If they are trying to compare with the Cforce I think they missed on that, a stripped down version of the Outlander vs a full featured Cforce is not going to get me to buy one. The Cforce comes with power steering, all led lights including backup lights, painted plastics, a winch, nice aluminum rims and good tires as well as a locking front differential and a nice set of hand guards on the 600. The Outlander 700 may do better as there is no Cforce with that displacement but the 500 class is going to be a tough sell IMO.
I disagree, not everyone is sold on an atv made of 100% cheap Chinese parts and low spec hardware.. The Outlanders have a higher overall build quality despite the lack of some of those spec sheet features.. I think they're targeting Japanese sales more than CFMOTO and to do that they have to balance quality with affordability, which I think they've done..
@@DirtObseXXion Sorry I don't agree with your assessment, KTM designed engine, Bosch fuel injection system, Canadian CV tech clutches, fit and finish is second to none. I don't like that they're Chinese either but for the price point and the options that are included they will out sell the Outlander.
@@jdouglas2109 They aren't using a KTM engine, that's only in the motorcycles, built to KTM specs, and KTMs aren't exactly known for reliability. But KTMs top performing machines are still Austrian engines like the LC8 and 1290. CVTech clutches, sure, and I'm not saying CFMOTOs are bad, all OEMs use some Chinese parts, I'm only speaking to the preferences of the target buyers. In the 500-700 class reliability is a top priority.. CFmotos have improved significantly in the last few years but go back to 2019 and older and they were plagued with a lack of QC. Most buyers in this class want a machine that will last 10+ years.. I'm not saying current CFMOTOs won't, but I am saying they haven't proven that they can yet..
@@jdouglas2109 And I appreciate disagreement BTW.. Neither one of us are right or wrong yet.. Time will tell, and we're just guessing right now.
There crazzzy. Don’t think they should do it
Ok quick thought, I think I have this right and correct me if I'm wrong the 700 has 50 hp which does compete with KQ and Grizz, but it looks like it's around 160lbs heavier than the KQ and 190 lbs heavier than the Grizz! I think that's gunna be a big factor idk, don't mean to nerd out on everyone
Well wet weight on the Grizzly EPS is 701lbs and wet wet on these with DPS is 785lbs.. So not quite a 190lbs difference.. Half of that is probably in the steel wheels and different tires and the chassis might be beefier too, I think they're saying the claimed towing capacity is 1,800lbs vs 1,300.. That has more to do with chassis strength than it does power.. If that's the case than these new Outlanders have much stronger chassis than anything else comparable.. That would account for pretty much all of the additional weight which should have negligible impacts on power and performance depending on how well these are balanced.. That's all speculation though..
@@DirtObseXXiongotcha, I did not nerd out enough
@@anthonypellegrino4513 It's a good question. I'm hoping to buy one of these asap to do a real review on it. Gonna have to sacrifice someting, probably the KingQuad, but it's all for the sake of science and the ability to say whatever I want about them!
@@DirtObseXXion love that, that's why this channel will grow big, great editing, script and complete integrity, keep it up brother 👊💪
It will depend more on torque
big shootout to can am who steped up their lineup to compete against japanese in the 500/700 class, i say it even tought i own a suzuki KQ 750 2019, NOW, the big question, when the japanese manufacturer (exeption made for kawasaki) will finality wake up and take a step in the vtwin 850/1000 class!?!? i swear i will be among the first to sign up for one as soon as they do it, can am go for their market share with monocylinder? i hope they fight back by taking market share too in the 850/1000 class as a respond to this!
A little friendly competition never hurt!
I think it’s a cool line up but they shoulda kept the 570s
If they could of done all the other stuff but had a 450cc, 570cc, 700cc, 850cc and 1000cc all in v-twin configuration I'd been happy
Yeah I agree, I wish these were additions.
@DirtObseXXion I guess if they're goal was to stream line the lineup and produce 1 less class of quad I get it. but still the v-twin is kinda a can am trademark. I think sticking 4 classes instead of 5 classes they could of done 450cc, 650cc, 850cc, and 1000cc. The classes they chose were odd to me. But that's just my take.
Does anyone find it a bit hard to believe that a 650 single is going to put out nearly the same hp AND torque as a brute 750 double?
Its not hard.
Hopefully it pushes yamaha to move into into can ams market. Keep the Kodiak as a 450 & 700 and move the grizzly to an 850 & 1000 twin.
I mean I like Grizzly the way it is.. But there's room at the top for a big bear!
@@DirtObseXXion agreed, I love my grizzly and I think a 1000cc twin is over kill. But 850 would be a fantastic. As far as cam ams 500/700 I'll be interested to see how they compair on trail.
WHAT!!! Single cylinder engines? Vtwin is why I loved them. Sounded better than anything out there. That's a downer
I've been monitoring the Can Am pages the last two days and I found two things that are kind of funny: The first was how everybody commented on the looks, but I saw no one talk about the things that really matter....like the new clutch, the new frame, the new engine brake! Yeah, I get it, these new bikes are ugly to the majority. But if you're a real rider, you should want to know about the heart and guts and not just talk about the lipstick and mascara! I truly want to know what these new systems are, but Can Am just kind of mentions them in passing and won't tell us any specifics.😡 (Perhaps that's because the majority of their consumers just want to know how many ponies it has, and where the green button is?).
2nd thing I found amusing was how half the guys who have/ride Can Ams always bashed their fellow riders who chose the 570 and the 650 instead of the 850 or 1000. Now, suddenly, they are all whining that Can Am replaced those engines with single cylinder engines as if they really wanted those 570's back!! 😆
As for me, I haven't really made up my mind on the looks. They look more like new Hondas to me than anything else. I also am not a fan of big singles (or any singles) anymore. Once I rode a v-twin, that's pretty much all she wrote for me! I'd have a hard time buying a brand new machine with an unproven, untested single cylinder when I could shop around and find a used v-twin with a good pedigree. Maybe I'm weird, but I ride for thrills and exploration both, so I want a tried and true, reliable v-twin engine!
I do applaud Can Am for offering at least a couple of their models at competitive prices, especially in light of the super steep jumps the Japanese brands took recently. I suppose Polaris has tried to do that as well the last couple years, but I still would never consider buying a Polaris unless they completely changed their ATVs from the ground up.
Great points! I don't quite get the dig on the looks, they look ok to me but I just love stuff with 4wheels and handlebars..
Looks are really starting to grow on me, prices are good on these!
I dont get the looks comments. 1. Who cares? 2. They all look a like. Seriously. Not much you can do with a small 4 wheeler.
I'm sorry, but I'll keep my kodiak 700 se for now. It has close to 6000 miles and has never gave me a single problem. Not to much power, but more than enough. Plus it's a darn good looking quad. Time will tell if the new Can Am is a good quad, but Why switch from something that has proven itself to be bulletproof!
Yeah I don't see many folks switching to these who already have Japanese machines, but we'll see what it means for new sales... I think that's what they are going for.
Order from a dealer? All the honda and yamaha dealers around here say you cant even put an order in, they have to take what they can get.
I still don't see can am competing with CFMOTO on value .
Just saying that if you compare the 50 hp can am 700 max xt with a msrp of $11,099 to a CFMOTO Cforce 800 xc 2up 62 hp V twin for $9,199 .
I was getting a CFMOTO Cforce 800 but before I had time to go get I backed out of the deal because a friend is selling me his Scrambler 1000 S so he's going to get a new 23 Scrambler 1000 S
Still have my 63 1/2" wheelbase Sportsman XP1000 and the Kodiak 700 EPS.
The Scrambler S is pretty sweet.. I'd much rather pay 1900 more for a CanAm vs Moto.. That's personal preference tho.
@@DirtObseXXion I would definitely have to go with the CFMOTO because of the HP and I have no doubt that you could get the CFMOTO Cforce 1000 cheaper than the 700 can am also the can am visco-lok is a big turn off for me and the CFMOTO has a locking differential like a GRIZZLY.
I forgot to tell you that CFMOTO has a free 5 year warranty from the dealer that was going to get one from.
Yes I can't sleep waiting on my Scrambler S .
I just want to say my comp class has basically been curvballed (extreme X-counnty races) the scrambler is the only viable. With the loss of the can am 850 (not that the outlander was great in this stuff) and the sportsman's have bad history in the class and 1000s belong in a sxs class so... I don't get the dropping of models at least honda still offers the 2013 Rincon. Especially when they still usetilise the engine and or chassis or did they drop the 650 renegade aswell
Oh that sucks.. I wouldn't do ao a Scrambler in extreme XC personally but yeah I think the 650 Renegade is still available..