JFK and Eisenhower - Restored phone call during Cuban Missile Crisis HR#2
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- Опубліковано 10 лис 2024
- Restored audio of the two phone calls John F Kennedy made to Dwight D. Eisenhower during the Cuban Missile Crisis, on 22 October and 28 October 1962.
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Also remember: BOTH presidents were WWII veterans. So they know FULL well what Cuba could have lead to.
Why would JFK try to half ass invade Cuba then? (Which directly led to the Missile Crisis)
JFK consulting and seeking advice from Eisenhower is so humbling, you can hear it in JFK's voice the respect he has for this great man, it's like Luke Skywalker seeking wisdom from Jedi master Yoda.
The fact that most of the people called Ike, General, eventhough he earned the title to be called Mr. President, but he was more comfortable with General.
Being President was his side job.
Two men who loved America and are working together to prevent a nuclear war. Both of these men were WW2 veterans and know the ugly face of war and its aftermath. Sure wish things were like this today! Just imagine what we could solve and get done as a country. They are showing us there is no "I" in teamwork!
That was also in a time of American history when MOST elected officials in both parties differed only by name, degrees in ideology and key issues of the day. It was a time when government was about 1/2 the size that it is now and their fingers weren’t stuck in so many pies.
JFK was very lucky to have had the wisdom of Eisenhower at his disposal at that point in time. Nobody knew the Soviet warfare psyche than Eisenhower, having navigated through it in WWII as an ally, and again as an adversary as POTUS.
Eisenhower knew which buttons to push and which ones to avoid. You could hear the relief in Kennedy’s voice at the end of the first phone conversation after Eisenhower talked down the potential threat of Soviet retaliation in Berlin. The fact of the matter is that, for all of the sabre rattling, and rhetoric, there wasn’t much taste in the Kremlin for another large military confrontation in Europe. The Soviets had lost between 7-10 million troops over the course of the war less than 20 years prior to the Cuban Missile Crisis, and most of it was at the hands of the Wehrmacht. Imagine the loss they’d have incurred by going up against NATO.
If the US attacked that site in Cuba I honestly doubt the Soviet Union would have used any nukes because they would be going all out and sacrificing their motherland for a small site, however they would have had to retaliate in some way to meet the equal amount of force that we displayed and so I do believe that they would have attacked at least one of our positions in Berlin and tension would have risen a lot from that but ultimately everything would have subsided
Honestly I’m glad the blockade worked, no one had to die and everything was fixed
IDK how long this has been up on YT but there should be millions of plays and thousands of comments. JFK asking Ike if the General thinks that the Russians will “fire these things off” and the calm response “oh…I don’t think they will” from the 5 Star General who led the invasion and liberation of Western Europe in WW2 is a breathtaking and very human moment during the crisis that could’ve started WW3 and ended civilization as we know it.
Moments like this transformed history. We could be living in a very different world had this conversation not happened.
Military was advising Kennedy to attack before they became operational
The ONLY time in American history where we had back to back great Presidents, Eisenhower and Kennedy. Putting asides their political, age, and ideological differences to work TOGETHER for not only the American people but for ALL the people of the entire world.
Agreed!
It’s so amazing that we can listen to something like this
2 outstanding American leaders!
It didn't matter that Kennedy was a Democrat and Eisenhower was a Republican, they both had mutual respect and Kennedy put much value in Eisenhower's counsel.
Purple Heart recipient Lt. Kennedy and the brilliant back room strategist Gen. Eisenhower talking Cuba and Khrushchev during the 13 days. This bit of critical US History gives me Patriot goosebumps.
This is a great restoration job. The enhanced clarity brings back pacing, tone and inflection to the dialogue. The degraded magnetic tapes are very flat, like listening to a transcript. Thank you for sharing.
It is absolutely frightening how laid back these conversations are.....I guess that's why I never pursued a high stress position in anything I ever do!
RIP
Dwight D. Eisenhower
(1890-1969)
and
John F. Kennedy
(1917-1963)
Two men with huge balls.
It is awesome to get to hear this audio history ... Thanks for posting!
"We have a chance to avoid nuclear war, but we better run it past the General first in case it's a bunch of baloney."
Better times. As terrifying as Cuba was (my 80 year-old father tells me that they really thought it was the end, for a week or so) today could be even more dangerous, something which I'm still finding very hard to believe, but there it is.
We're back to square one, in other words - only this time no one is talking to each other any more. We're just hurling abuse and shouting each other down.
How did the poem go? "This is how the world ends: not with a bang, but a whimper"? Well, Mr Elliot's chilling words need to be altered slightly for this damn generation: "This is how the world ends: with a lot of nihilistic self-loathing followed by the biggest bang of them all."
there truly is no "I" in "teamworking".
Neither of these calls was "bugged." These are Kennedy's recordings.
True, but interjecting “buzz words” gets viewers… the learned ones are intrigued with the possibility of having missed something along the line, and the hungry that are aroused by something shiny:
Thanks for sharing this wonderful view into the thinking of these 2 unique men. Kennedy and Eisenhower were faithful to our country, and we Americans should thank them. We probably wouldn't be here today if Kennedy had listened to some of his advisors. RIP and I thank you both for your dedication and service to this country.
JFK referred to Eisenhower as general in his conversations with the former president when they discussed delicate and consequential decisions on international conflict during a crisis of staring down nuclear war.
Looking back 60 years, difficult to imagine any current president reaching out to a former president for advice or counsel. Never enough attention is paid to the backstory of the U.S. missile sites in Turkey which the Soviets had long protested, and I understand were later removed as part of the agreement.
Very interesting to hear stuff like this. Thanks for posting.
Interesting that JFK addressed Ike as General, and Ike addressed JFK as President.
He was a general, JFK was ....Navy Lt.? Doesn't sound so well addressing the Potus as "Lieutenant"
In fact, the ONLY person addressed as Mr. President is the one in office. Former presidents may be addressed as President (last name) as a courtesy. After he left the presidency, Eisenhower was restored to his rank as General of the Army and President Kennedy signed that into law on March 23, 1961.
JFK: Better Hang On Tight 😂
bugged by JFK himself you mean? he recorded all his conversations.
damn cool
Presidents brainstorming TOGETHER, and demonstrating MUTUAL RESPECT.
I wish the news media (ESPECIALLY CONGRESS) could have access to this. It's relevant at this time to see the stark contrast between the past and present presidential administrations. This is how you keep America UNITED. I would recommend a copy be sent to Trump but he lacks the necessary comprehension skills.
Let's face it, he was inexperienced and unqualified for the position.
You're an idiot! I would recommend a copy be sent to Obama and his puppet Biden...But the only problem with that is The Socialist Obama wants to destroy the country he most hates--The USA--and Biden can't comprehend what day of the week it is anymore. BTW, Just for the record, go fuck yourself! MAGAA TRUMP 2024 !!!
Christopher Thurston, why are you so angry? I have a theory about "MAGA" followers and why they believe a drug addict like Donald Trump. Actually, A few: 1. You quit smoking when Trump LOST. 2. You are an alcoholic (or former alcoholic) but you were a miserable drunk and the brain damage is irreversible, and you're really pissed because you want a drink. 3. You are a drug addict or former drug addict and the brain damage is irreversible. 4. Specifically, you were a drunken tweaker - again...brain damaged and ahhh - you think that you've hidden your dirty secret from the kids, but they know that something isn't right with you. Sigh, what can they do except be there for you, when you lose your shit. (Don't feel bad - Trump loses his shit all the time and wears an adult diaper; due to his past heavy cocaine use during the 70s, 80s and part of the 90s. It's true Chris. The drugs were famously cut or mixed with baby laxatives...yes Chris. 5. Your manifestation was foretold in hundreds of sci-fi books and magazines...you & the rest of the MAGA monsters are going to become Zombies...the living dead...chasing Democrats in droves...frothing at the mouth...blurting obscenities... waving your arms about...wailing and screaming words that no one understands... because you're being shut out and left out. You poor thing. I have a 2024 & future prediction: MAGAS will be social outcasts and family members will later avoid you. Good Luck Christopher and try to protect your brain by abstaining from further abuse.
Every President who assumes office is inexperienced. Qualification comes with age and natural citizenship, a fairly low bar to hurdle.
Some were born for the job, some were thrust into greatness and a few didn’t have a clue. A President is only as good as his advisers and his ability to take the best advice and act on it.
The current president is barely conscious and when he is, is a leftist socialist that in spite of his life on the public payroll at taxpayer expense, is an embarrassment to our country, if Biden was in office during the crisis, first they'd have to rouse him from sleep but that would mean he's (somewhat) awake and has not the intelligence, wisdom, courage, strength or character to act in a wise, moral and productive manner. Sorry nagmastergeneral, stop drinking the kool aid and admit you are WRONG
Americans never learn, they wouldn't have challenged Nixon
Like this.
if I may make a suggestion, this channel's a fine idea ("fine" in the old, good sense; a "fine thing"). but you may want to do away with the bold wording about "never been remastered . . . . UNTIL NOW." just a thought. I always feel it best to present new history or history from a new perspective with what I'd call "clinical reverence". just present it, as is, wait for the history itself to decide whether it's a big deal. that's just my thinking, though. good job!
The calls weren't "bugged". That implies that the participants didn't know it. They were recorded by the White House. There are plenty of these calls with Kennedy and Johnson.
America Always handles conflicts so well, so so well.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Wilson_(Texas_politician)
Ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan etc
Both men to me were the last truly great presidents in my opinion the other presidents after them did nothing to help this country and were straight up disappointing.
WoW
“ hang on tight!” Damn!
Calls recorded in Oval Office is standard stuff. I wouldn’t call it bugging🇺🇸
Tell that to Nixon...
Tell that to J Edgar Hoover
Kennedy was the first to do it as a matter of record for the archives… Nixon did it out if paranoia.
@@TH-vb6iw LMFAO !
The real issue is that's a safe phone. Who was tapping that line.
The line was not “tapped”. After the Bay of Pigs fiasco, when the CIA had lied to President Kennedy about their plans for invading Cuba, President Kennedy began recording all of his important phone conversations. He even had recording equipment installed in the Oval Office and the Cabinet Room.
Kennedy himself was
Who is John that Eisenhower is referring to?
Likely John McCone, JFK's CIA director and a Republican.
Was 19 year old aide Mimi giving jack a hummer during this call?
JFK and Eisenhower
only two not shitty modern presidents
In reality. the Soviet commander in Cuba had his hand on the trigger to fire tactical nuclear weapons as soon as there were signs of a US Invasion of Cuba. Also the Soviet sub commander had nuclear-armed torpedoes. It just goes to show that even great military commanders like Eisenhower can miscalculate and make the wrong threat assessment.
Tactical nukes against an invasion is very different from full-scale nuclear war, which is what I believe the presidents were referring to. That nuclear sub choose to surface and submit to the USA didn't it? Or was there another sub you are referring to?
BoldWittyName Tactical nukes will lead to strategic nukes since JFK’s position was any nuke strike will trigger a “full” strategic retaliatory response on the then Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact states. Yes the sub did hold off - but it was very close
In reality, it's not certain what they would have done. If the US had invaded Cuba, would the Soviet Union have risked nuclear annihilation just to save face and triple down on what was already an aggressive overreach in Cuba? Personally I doubt it, Cuba simply wasn't worth it to them.
c t I am not sure too. Soviet tactical doctrine in Europe then was to employ tactical nuclear bombs to shape the battlefield. Clearly Cuba was different but it is possible they would have had no qualms using those tactical nukes in Cuba
He was still right. Forget the commander on the ground for a minute, massive invasion forces don't materialize overnight so the chances that commander would pull that trigger were not very high. His orders were given to him by Khrushchev. When the soviet intelligence confirmed the U.S was mobilizing a massive invasion force and were planning to use it Khrushchev retracted that order and stood down instead of starting a nuclear war over an island that did nothing for them. His whole plan was to get a stronghold near the U.S like the U.S had in Turkey and fortify it before the U.S could react. It failed.
Keep in mind this happened right on the heels of Eisenhower's presidency and the U.S military doctrine set by Eisenhower up until this time was "massive retaliation" and the nuclear missile sites in Turkey were there just for that purpose.
"Once we become involved in a nuclear exchange with the Soviet Union, we could not stop until we had finished off the enemy." There was no point to talking about "negotiating a settlement in the midst of the war," no alternative, therefore, to hitting "the Russians as hard as we could."
- Dwight D Eisenhower
JFK later changed this policy.
Was it the Soviets who bugged the phone call?
No. contrary to the title of the video the calls were not bugged. These are just official White House recordings. the Soviets did not hear these calls.
USA understandably anxious about another nation stationing nukes near to it. Meanwhile today the USA has nukes trained on Russia right next door to it, in multiple locations....turkey, Germany, Poland, plus carrier groups in surrounding seas.
This day and age it doesn't matter. Both Russia and the U.S have submarines all over the planet that can destroy an any country with the press of a button.
The US does not maintain nuclear missiles in the countries you’ve mentioned. Tactical nuclear weapons were removed back in the early’90s.
There may be strategic weapons in Great Britain but not likely. Nuclear strikes led by a bomber will take off out of the US - Barksdale / Minot AFB.
@@Bitchslapper316 You make a great point.
@@Bitchslapper316 yes, well said. I stand corrected. Thanks!
@Jason Sanders WRONG! The United States Of America DOES NOT MAINTAIN nuclear weapons in ANY of the countries mentioned! tactical nuclear weapons were removed from europe in the early to mid 1990s under the clintonista regime! GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!
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I’m really sorry
Who the fuck bugged a phone call between the retired supreme commander of the allied forces and the President of the U.S.
Not bugged, ever since FDR they have self-taped their calls and conversations
@@DogeickBateman
Oh ok. That makes made sense
@@AJxxxxxxxx Yeah I have no idea why the OP posted "it was from telephone bugs" when its public knowledge that, like I said, most presidents have taped their in-office conversation and phone calls for the record.
There's a reason why Nixon is infamous with this
I often have to remind myself that there was actually a time when democrats had nuts, and actually didnt hate thier own country. This notion is so foreign to me that it almost seems like political literary fiction lol.
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And Republicans had brains!
@@briandelion49 conservatives do have brains. I couldn't give a fuck less about what you call a "republican". Im not sure there's more than 5 actual, real, conservatives in congress today.
**You must understand that the leftist media has brainwashed you into thinking that an actual, real liberal and an actual, real conservative are opposites. This is the biggest lie in modern political thinking.
The fact is that you CANNOT be a real conservative without FIRST being a classical liberal. This is a flat fact.