Plastic VS Ceramic VS Steel Body Armor || What's the Best Armor?
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@@VSO_Gun_Channel why is ar550 armor good but ar500 is not?
aint no shadow ban. sometimes mfs just fall off
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Cool, this is the test I've been looking for.
My problem with just UHMWPE is its complete inability to stop steel core projectiles. The plates I run are a level 3 UHMWPE with a ceramic strike face making it level 4. Even if the ceramic is pulverized to dust because I decide to stand there and let someone shoot me over and over again, I still have a level 3 plate at that point. I like the ceramic strike face because it has a much higher chance of stopping basically whatever I am shot with even if it can only offer that advantage once or twice. I am also aware that the ceramic turns into shrapnel when shot, that is why I put them in a kevlar sleeve. Yes I know that is an expensive option especially with a trauma pad and the 3A sost panel I keep in there as well. All in all I am running about 14ish pounds including the plate carrier with no mags so I would still consider that a fairly lightweight setup considering it can stop a .338 lapua at less than 50 yards. The blunt force would be extremely detrimental to my health but at least I won't have a hole in me lol
The poly plate definitely is worth the costs for anyone that can afford them. That was an amazing amount of performance with the bonus of being lightweight.
TIL: You get what you pay for, but entry level priced plates (current tech) will save your bacon as long as you don’t stand still while getting shot! Excellent vid gents.
Edit: Also, don’t be a ceramics or composites snob!
@RuDuffEnough WellRu let's be honest, people wonna compare level 3 ceramic that comprises out of advanced material 'combinations' that is stronger than steel(poly) and armor piercing capabilities (ceramic layer), all of that is far better than the steel and thicker for that matter to a blunt 5mm slab of steel that STILL meets the NIJ standards, but yet the level 3 steel meets the NIJ requirements just like the level 3 ceramic, it's cheap and effective
I bought a pair of Caliber's new Maritime Level III UHMWPE after your testing on a similar model. A tad heavier at 3.5-4 lbs compared to 2.2 lbs (still buoyant!) but a waterproof coating similar to their steel plate instead of the water resistant poly-fabric wrap. Used your promo code, so I hope you see something from that.
I've been saying for a while that while I wouldn't want to run steel for the front plate, I have no issue using it as a rear plate and this video has convinced me it's the only type of armor that should be used as a rear plate. For the front... I think Ceramic and Poly are fine, tho I would like to see which can hold up to M855 green tips from a 20 inch barrel. My guess is that's where Poly will fail on the first shot while Ceramic holds up at least once, probably twice.
Why wouldn't you want to run a steel plate in the front?
@@johnaceto7126 spalling. Eventually whatever anti spall coating that's on steel will fail after a number of bullet impacts. The steel itself won't, which is why I say it's best run as a rear plate.
@@DickTickles I saw that in the video but it seems to be me that steel anti spall is the most effective. Definitely better than ceramic, debatable when it comes to the poly armor.
@@johnaceto7126polyethylene armor is never going to produce spall because of how it works. Essentially, the difference is ceramic and steel plates break bullets, when poly plates catch them. Material stretches and absorbs energy of the bullet, and because it's soft, the bullet stays intact after a hit
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What a waste.. A hungry kid in Africa could of eaten those plates.
I do see a few scenarios of taking multiple shots without having made significant blunders. Especially with automatic fire, you can quickly have half a dozen hits before you even know what happened. I would be interested in seeing what the best improvised armor is that you can make without access to fancy tools or equipment as many countries don't allow you to buy body armor!
(this includes multiple European countries and when it comes to crime, you mostly can expect knives and pistols being used)
Well I know in order to make cars bullet resistant to small arms fire back in the day they’d stuff the inside of the doors with paper phonebooks, so maybe find a way to tape some phone books together and wear it as armor, it’d almost definitely defeat a knife, and you could test it yourself for cheap
What are the countries that don't allow you to buy bullet proof vests? I know about some states in Australia that require authorization, but otherwise I am not aware about any other countries (Europe included) that forbid you to own and wear level III or IIIA vests, which should stop penetration free pistol and rifle bullets (including 5.56 and 7.62). Yes, there are some regulations that forbid military grade body armor in some countries, but that usually refers to level IV (that should stop high penetration bullets).
@@iustintarachiu9326 I don't know for sure, if it applies to all, but class III and IV are definitely considered military weapons in several countries and thus banned from possession and trade. The same goes for silencers, red dot sights, and a few other items that are not exactly weapons.
Also, you need a special license to drive an armored car and not just because it's heavier, but because armor is considered a weapon in itself. So, for instance, you can buy a decommissioned tank in some countries, but the armor must be removed on all sides, and the cannon disabled in several places. This is even true for many museums. They are required to damage WWII tanks, if they import them to Germany!
@@edi9892 Look mate, you say that class III and IV are definitely considered military weapons in several countries but you fail to give one example. Don't change the subject talking about silencers and armored vehicles, you started this subject by saying that "many countries" ... "this includes multiple European countries" ... "don't allow you to buy body armor" but strangely the only example given (Australia) was given by me, while you don't know for sure and as I said before, you cannot give one lousy country that forbids you to buy and use body armor.
@@iustintarachiu9326 I had hear it of three different countries, but I failed to verify it with a quick google search. All I found was that Italy seems to be similar to Australia in this regard. I got conflicting information on the legal situation in Germany. At that point I gave up. German law is a mess anyway. They changed a lot of laws in multiple waves of actionism and I don't want to read myself into the details.
Great test! I noticed a ton of spall during Oxide's recent Russian ceramic armor tests and was looking for something like this!
I've always wondered why they don't "dish out" metal plates to help deflect the lead splash away from the shooters face and neck. If the was a little lip around the edge of the plate, you'd think that would reduce the risk of a fatal injury. You might get your forearms and gun cut up a bit but at least you wouldn't bleed to death
There's so many potential solutions to spalling it blows my mind that the best thing anyone could come up with was glorified bed liner.
@@the1andonlySherlockIKR
It wouldn't be cost effective and changing the design could lead to carrier issues, firearm manipulation issues, and potential weight issues.
The best solution is to not get shot and if you do, don't get shot again, lol.
@@toddk1377 that's absurdly false
@@toddk1377 read the comment again I don’t know how you got that out of his comment.
Correction, technically..."spall" is what happens to the BACK of the armor, a small chip flying/punched out, "splatter" is what scatters off the front.
You are 100% correct. I don’t agree with the term, it’s adapted. However, that is what my peers use to describe fragmentation from ballistic impacts.
@@VSO_Gun_Channel OK, but if *everyone* says 2+2=6, would you go along with it, or attempt to correct their mistakes?
@@rev-mikemckay9750 you have to pick your battles. People use the term suppressor🤷♂️ for instance.
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I would be interested to see how dangerous the spalling from the ceramic plate is vs the steel plate. I would assume that the bullet fragments coming off of the steel would be more dangerous, but that is what tests are for.
The very first shot on steel, at an angle, will simply make the bullet slide on it and hit you somewhere else with extreme anger.
A composite ceramic strike face plate will catch the same shot...
@@HAYAOLEONE Prove it, post a video.
@@HAYAOLEONE Have you never fired at a steel target? The target can be angled to a surprising extent and cause the bullet to be defeated without a total ricochet. You act as if any angle less than 89 degrees will cause the bullet to skip off as if nothing happened to it.
@@the1andonlySherlock take your pills
without booze
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@@HAYAOLEONE I don't drink, nor do I have any pills to take. Stop projecting.
UARM makes a hybrid lvl IV UHMWPE plate with ceramic tiles on the front face btw. I think they're about 350 or 400. The shipping time is about ten weeks, coming all the way from Ukraine
I'm planning on getting their Polyethylene III+ ICW plates, but still am not sure whether this is worth it over level III stand alone
Nice work! Love to see no nonsense experiments like this. I noticed you drinking a Reign like Mr. Aimbotkin, it’s some tasty stuff! I recently bought a set of HESCO L210 plates from the T-Rex Arms sale they had online. It’s my first set of plates that I’ve ever bought. They’re ceramic/composite, and they seem like a nice option for the price. Good to know that they’ll withstand multiple rounds!
Honestly, all can be functional as long as they're at least III+. I run III+ PE plates that CAN stop 5.56. As for steel armor, there's companies that make spall bags for the plates that can further enhance their anti-spall capabilities. When you factor that in, steel isn't the lightest but it's passable. And since the spall bags are replaceable, this means the armor could have a longevity far exceeding PE or ceramic. Do I recommend steel? No, except perhaps as a long-term cache item since it doesn't degrade. The stuff you intend to wear should be light enough to wear for hours without causing back pain.
One additional test I'd like to see isn't just spalling, but ricochets from off-angle hits. If you get hit off angle instead of straight on, I feel like a ceramic hybrid would do substantially better than steel. It would be an interesting test.
Way late but that's actually a stronger point for steel, the relative thickness is increased with the angle it's the mechanics tanks use (look at the Panther's front slope and you'll see the actual thickness and relative thickness
I didn't realize good poly plates could take that many hits.
It occurs to me that steel is the best answer if you're thinking for end of the world scenario. If you get shot enough times for the steel plate to fail before you die of old age you're doing everything wrong. I am curious what kinds of DIY anti-spall recoatings could someone do in an apocalypse scenario that might actually work.
End of the world you dont want plates that weigh 10lbs a piece
@@patagucci8482 End of the world you don’t want plates that only last 1 bad engagement, that expire after a few years, and that you have to baby and keep temperature and humidity controlled
@@joncampo1627 end of the world you also dont want plates that spit metal shards in your throat and make you bleed out
@@joncampo1627 I dont know a single dude who climate controls their sapis
I'd wrap the steel in a few rolls of duct tape. Better yet slap an extra large soft pistol plate in front of the steel plate and wrap it all in duct tape. Dunno if it'll work, but I can't think of any other ideas, I mean, we wouldn't have access to something that bonds to steel and lasts in various temps and climates.
First time watching this video and I am not sure the message of the last couple of statements. Buy or do NOT buy steel plates? 🤷♂️
If the intended purpose of body armor is to stop 1 round, then I'd prefer my plates to be able to stop the highest possible threat that 1 round might be. If my lvl 4 ceramic/uhmwpe can stop an M2AP 30-06, it's just inherently better than anything else.
But how many antifa are running around with ap rounds
Define "better"....
@@dwwolf4636 comparative of good : of a higher standard, or more suitable, pleasing, or effective than other things or people:
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Love the content tho.
You had fresh plates. Try ceramic plates that have been dropped or had equipment dropped on it. That is why the ceramic is supposed to be xrayed every year to check for cracks.
Nij testing requires that plates be dropped 5 feet before shooting them.
Then there's the old "twist" test that we did in Iraq.
Grab opposite sides of the plate while still in the carrier and give it stout twist. If your hear "SCRAAAAPE SCREEECH" it's time for a new plate, and better treatment for the new one.
I own ar level 3+ and hoplite ceramic plates. I will say that not all ceramics are created equal. Was suprised with the spawl of the ceramic plate. Good data here 👌👍
Gonna look into those poly plates. Those were impressive.
Looking at hoplite. Which ones do you have?
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Love the channel. Straight and informative. Keep it up, thank you.
To ensure the MOST protection, is there any benefit to using a thinner (CUSTOM) AR550 plate BEHIND the UHMWPE plates. How much more weight would that add do you think? About another 10 lbs. all around?
Hard and high density before soft and low density is the rule of thumb when designing an armor matrix for max performance.
UHMWPE plates have problems with hard (semi)AP projectiles. Like mild or hardened steel cores. Tungsten or DU will ofcourse present extra spicy problems beyond Steel cores.
The reason for that is that they do not deform enough for the plate to be able shed enough energy over an increased area/volume of plate to stop the projectile.
The answer to that is obvious : you have to deform the projectile enough by either breaking it up initially or feeding more material into it ( ceramic plates, which do both ).
The solution is obvious. You add a thin but hard layer to breakup the projectile.
A 2mm or 1/8" initial hardened steel plate is what you tend to see in countries that are resource poor that want to devellop cheap body armor.
Natural fiber composite between 2 sheets of 1mm steel also crop up sometimes.
Research papers and patents have alot of info you can scrounge up.
It would have been nice if you could have measured the force being transferred to the wearer while doing the tests to compare the differences.
when you say "5.56" testing I assume xm193, m855, m855a2, m856, etc...but fiocchi .223 is what you choose? lol
I have 223 that only goes 2900 from my 18 inch and I have xm193 that goes 3200+ and independence m193 that goes 3300+ from my 18 inch so I agree 5.56 is an animal from 18 inch barrels
It’s m855a1 😅 not a2
@@BaconSlayer69 oh for Pete sake Bobby I was high when I said that!!
The reason being is because he gets money for everyone that buys with his code
Be awesome if they made a hybrid plate, a poly layer over top of the ceramic plate with a thin steel sheet backing and a teflon fabric wrap.
Multicurve ceramic master race
I’m really liking poly plates. I’d like to see poly plates vs hunting rifles/calibers in a test similar to this
I've been watching your videos since the Mosin Run and Gun.
Don't feel bad. You guys did the test so we don't have to.
How effective do you think and an additional anti spall sleeve would be in addition to their anti spall coating?
@DomesticPenguin Did you watch the video? Ceramic started spawling on shot 1.... steel didn't spawl to till shot 9....
@Frankjoe1991 cope
Mixed up spawling with splash.
Spawling - The armor stopped the bullet, but the impact bursts armor fragments on the body side, at velocity. Bad bad.
Splash - The armor stops the bullet, but the bullet fragments splash perpendicular to the surface, hitting soft neck chin arms and nearby buddies. Not as bad, but still bad.
Add chapters!! :)
16:25 are you saying buy AR550 instead of AR500?
Great video all around i just wish there were more lables i had to rewind a few times to see what plate you where shooting at. Anyway very helpful video thank you
Thanks for this - I've always run with steel plates for years - but was considering ceramic. I will stick with the steel!
Absolutely amazing good job thanks for the video
are there any companies that
make a product that combines uhmwpe, aramids, ceramics and steel?
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Can you test various after market “Frag-Bag” type anti-spalling/anti-fragmentation bags? They go around the plate and Velcro close, before you put it in the carrier pocket. FragBag is one brand name product.
The results of this test are more than just a comparison of materials, its a comparison of the NIJ certifications: NIJ level 3 certification requires the body armour to stop and not deform (past 2 inches??) from 5, 1 inch separated 762x51 M80s. NIJ level 4 only needs to stop 1 762x63 M2AP, as such NIJ level 4 plates don't need to be durable, and as seen in this test and many, many others I've seen on the internet, cheaper 'lower protection' level 3 plates end up being able to stop exponentially more conventional rifle rounds like lead 556 or M855.
As such, you only need a level 4 plate if you're certain AP rifle rounds are going to be shot at you, which was seldom even the case for US soldiers in the middle east.
i need me some poly plates...
I really dislike the "ackshually" crowd, but today I'll be that guy.
Fragments that come off the front side would be splatter. Spawling is when its hit with enough force to dislodge fragments from backface deformation without full penetration. I realize the armor companies have their own take on things & the industry standard has changed the perceived definition, but keep in mind I'm just a random DickHedd & nobody should take my comments too seriously...
Then don't.
@@TXAslingr you first
@@thedude5449 I think he decided to take my comment too seriously - isn't the internet just great?
@@RichardCranium321 if i took you seriously, i wouldn't have commented. You add nothing to the conversation. You're attention seeking. Even you acknowledged it with your very first sentence.
It's like a person that says I'm not racist, but....
Glad I bought Poly Plates, they are light and apparently (depending on Rating) will stop more than a few rounds, although you would be in allot of pain
We often are concerned about multiple hits. Even in combat, it is extremely rare for a plate to take more than one hit. This is because you don't die and find cover from the threat. A person with plates will take the lick but not be in the fight until they recover mentally as well as physically. That may take minutes or days. If your armor is compromised, you get out and refit with fresh armor, after you recover from the sledge hammer hit to your back or chest.
Civilians in a militia role will often be pulling security or patrolling in vehicles where the risk of getting hit multiple times at closer range is real.
Awesome vid. I was surprised at the results.
Would a cheap kevlar liner stop spaling when layered on steel ?
Kevlar would go bad and you would have to throw the plate put and at the additional weight/price of doing that might aswell get cermatic
You can buy steel plates with coating
Just repaint the steel with bed liner and g2g
i would take the steal one , no doubt
how about if steel armor is worn backward, will the concave shape direct the spall away from the shooter?
Lol the camera man just wheezing loudly in the background every time it's handheld
Enjoyed it man !
Awesome test and info!
One thing that would be interesting would be this with ballistic gel on the three sides to give an idea on penetration and depth of it
Thank you for this🤓
That was great to see I have never liked ceramic much myself. Thumbs up, shared and thank you for the video.
Steel well take the most
You know what else hasn't been accomplished? Ballistic get testing of frag off of a steel plate, out of the coating, the carrier, and a Cordura collar from a combat shirt.
Its enough to cut you real deep. And most modern "combat shirts" don't have collars. Edited to add: I am referring to spelling from steel plates. From ceramic it is not dangerous except to your eyes and soft bits
@@ChevTecGroup And yet we have no ballistic gel testing to prove that. Furthermore, not sure which combat shirts you're looking at; all the ones I see have ripstop or Cordura collars and sleeves.
Hey so I obviously must’ve missed something so didn’t your steel plate do the very best in comparison to the other two? Didn’t you say it was made out of ar550? So ar500 is a great deal different?? I’m new to this
Ar500 is no longer considered acceptable for armor. I would argue further that no steel plate except the shielded caliber plate is acceptable. Visit the affiliates page before you make any purchases so you can check for codes
Awesome video!
seems like the best stack is Poly Plate, then Steel closest
The #1 priotity of the military's ceramic armor plates is mostly to stop that pot-shot from a sniper hiding in the building/bushes from killing you. You take the shot and then you get the hell outta the open into some cover. Lot of videos out there can attest to this. Something like 7.62x54r 7N14 is going to seriously fuck up a ceramic plate pretty damn quick. I'd expect it to take 3 or MAYBE 4 hits from a round like that in totally different sections before that armor is toast.
Exactly, most people don't grasp the actual and effective use of ceramic plates
If you get hit this many times in one shooting event all taken on the plate, you must have some kind of death wish lol.
I'm surprised you didn't do the test with M855/SS109 rounds, or is ammo so scarce you didn't have any on hand?
That’s because m855 would penetrate the poly plate ;)
@@BuffRANGE That’s what I was thinking the whole time. Just like M855A1 would have defeated the steel plate.
@@d3vildog76 depending on how hard that plate is, steel will actually defeat m855a1, especially adding their distance in.
Steel armor was obviously pretty good in this test but as soon as you involve an AP round steel is generally useless while ceramic and poly are not. So i just wouldnt buy steel personally because most militarys and even civilians are going to shoot you with high velocity or AP rounds if they know what they are doing
not even like real dedicated AP threat but stuff like 7N10 which are ehanced penetration round will fuck steel plates
how did I watch this like three times and STILL get the steel plates
fkng cheap fail haha
Holy shit, surprising results and awesome video man. This should be required viewing before getting on the Internet.
Thank you for being here
Maybe I wasn’t doing a good enough job paying attention but I had a very hard time keeping track of what was what in this video.
Yeah, you should watch it again and pay attention. I’m not being a prick. I specifically produce things with these concerns in mind. I’m not saying this was my best work, but it was done properly.
Thank you from helping me to make my choice
Can you try the steel with m193 from that 18 inch barrel
My stance
Ceramic is shit
Steel is good if you get from a good company
Poly is the way to go if you can afford it
Pretty much yeah, ceramic layers are good when it comes to armor piercing protection but not to be relied on entirely
There will be another material you may test in the near future. it is damn expensive right now, but the price will go down if demand went up in mass production. it is alon, somebody call it aluminum glass, i have been told it is a form of carbide. it is made of nitrogen and aluminum dust using ceramic production factility, it is currently use in president‘s car and international space station window. forget the damn president, if it is good enough to protect astronauts in space from object way faster than bullet, it is worth a look. there are youtube footage this material stop one 50bmg round, and that's another good sign it is a real deal. just the price, currently, it is fxxking expensive.
"A serious of critical errors." Copy that!
One thing to consider isn't that you'll be shot 38 times in one fight, it's that if you're Mad Maxing it you might recieve 38 shots over the course of years without the means to obtain new armor. In the wild west sometimes you would go out for a few years on a job before coming back to civilization and with Mad Max/Weimar supply chains you might not have access to certain goods like armor.
If you’re shot 38 times you won’t have a plate carrier any more
@@Beef-bullion if it's intermediate rounds, steel will survive. Ceramic breaks apart upon impact, steel either deflects it, dents, or penetrates so if it can deflect it then it can be used multiple times.
@@Bagginsess until it kills you by sending fragments into
Your neck
Strapping these to a steel target was not a great idea, particularly for ceramic. I guess you better hope no one has greentips, anything bigger than 30-06, or actual armor piercing rounds.
Yeah but whos going to be popping off a garand when SHTF? Most dudes are going to be using AR's and AK's cuz it makes more sense. 308 seems more plausible and most steel plates cant take them.
@@anarcho-savagery2097 you ever shoot a green tip out of a old 26 inch barreled varmint rifle? Or maybe load the same bullet into a 22-250?
@@anarcho-savagery2097 If they have it, and the clips (plus the gas chamber mod for modern ammo)...anyone that has one. Because they'll never not be able to find ammo somewhere in the US.
@@anarcho-savagery2097 steel plates are level 3, capable of stopping 308.
Greatest video every thanks
I have always wondered what the pressure or what are you are going to feel on the back side of the armor? Which one would you still be able to function the best after being shot?
Imagine punched so hard out of the middle of nowhere that it brakes your ribs
That's a perfect video!
Did I miss the distance?
50 yd
I don’t understand the comments that you made after the screen went black at the end....?
The steel tested was AR550. He recommends not getting AR500 steel for body armor which is often talked about.
@@Thatguy301 AR550 is just the latest/greatest steel for armored plates then? Upgrade from AR500 I assume?
@@REDGATT Pretty much!
@@Thatguy301 cool deal. Thanks.
Oom-wipe is the correct pronunciation for UHMWPE
Energy from a 7.62 is significantly higher and that is likely the incoming round
"What you see in the AR500 Armor video are ceramic shards. These are relatively low-velocity pieces of ceramic (not pieces of the bullet) that reasonably will be stopped by any plate carrier material." - a ceramic armor manufacturer's response to AR500's vid about ceramic armor. Plate carrier material my ass, your fragments flew right through. I'm starting to feel that among all the misinformation and straight up lies manufacturers spread about this and that material, pure PE is by far the safest option if you can get plates with a protection level that corresponds with your requirements.
The good the bad the ugly. Take the steel
What do you think about the kevlar bag style spall liners for steel plates?
As for the steel. No spalling. However the report your hearing from the impact is going straight into your internal organs. You would probably be bleeding internally pretty good. Ceramic is much better at dissipating energy than steel.
Thats what trauma pads are for
You would not be bleeding internally lol, bruising at best
@@joncampo1627 Bruising is internal bleeding 🤔
The problem is that people prefer these teeny tiny little vests(plate carrier) with the smallest of ceramic plates in it, if people learn to handle the weight they should simply wear a proper vest WITH soft armor and steel plates with coating over it, hell if I had the cash I'd wear all the damn plates front and back and just train to handle the bulk and weight
Your shot groups at that distance should definitely be within a quarter. Practice.
so cover the ar plate in the poly f9r it's spall
A most excellent video fellas! I'll be sure to send the ceramic plates snobs your way.
Live.....wear the friggin plate
The main benefit of the poly plates is the weight savings. Ounces make pounds and the poly shaves ALOT of weight off the modern warfighter. A couple pounds saved from the plates equates to more gear in your bags.
What plate carrier is that
how is Agilite armor? I don’t see many people talking about them to much.
Can you test battle steel products
Downward "spalling" is also terribly dangerous, you're very likely to have your legs further away from the line of your chest when crouching (something you're also likely to be doing when getting shot at), any fragment hitting femoral artery can leave you dead on the floor in just a few minutes and leave you lying there incapable of moving even quicker. Vast majority of tests fail to consider this.
That's why you get soft armor for the limbs
@@c03_psychie20 That's a shitty solution: It limits movement, your body heats up more quickly and it also adds to the total weight.
@@lucastonoli3256 please don't be pissy like a soldier, train to handle that stuff instead so there's no need to complain
@@lucastonoli3256 also check out what happened during the north hollywood shootout and you'll know why I think the way I think
@@c03_psychie20 It's not a matter of complaining or not, that amount of armor is always going to be a big trade-off, not every situation benefits from giving away that much mobility. If you're holding your ground on a spot with cover, loaded to the balls with ammo, sure, a shitload of armor could be a nice thing to have, but that's a niche application.
I've been berated for days on end with my bud in Tennessee about this sort of thing and every time it comes up he just makes it an extremely toxic convo of his ignorance like I try to say more to use safelifedefense for armor with the fras panels and their plate carriers and he keeps bringing up what ya use in the video every time.
I've never understood why metal body armor plates don't just put a spelling catch on them
That’s what that layer is