It was different in the manga if you read it all in the anime Toei kinda added filler fight and made him look bad in the anime but in the manga it was kind of a sneak attack and WB risk his head to hit akainu the last attack then he fell down and get back up and solo WB entire commanders
@@lituana5393 I don't really believe in that. One piece fights leave lots to be desired. The manga versions of fights are so much shorter and from what I've seen Oda uses a lot of *Clashing* pannels of like attack is thrown *Spark* like effects to imply things happening so honestly with how the Anime extends I don't think it's really that bad or out of character or the series in portrayal.
Whitebeard slander is crazy. That man literally was carrying his team the entire war. Only reason any of the admirals survived was as soon as whitebeard gets ready to kill one, something happens and the admirals switch places or some shit
Ive never heard of the Gura-Gura No Mi being referred to as breaking the manga panel. I saw it as literally gripping the air or shattering the reality and space between you. The shockwaves can like surround the fists and weapons of the wielder. So his shockwaves can like fold and warp reality. Or destroy the world (sekai) Also you liking One Piece even for memes is pretty lit bro
LMFAOOO bro deadass either waited for wb to die to come back or he couldn't come back because of the damage wb gave him. both interpretations are bad for admirals if the strongest navy got beat by a MENTALLY NERFED, ON LIFE SUPPORT AND MASSIVELY NERFED FROM PHYSICAL DAMAGE version of wb. not a good look for the admirals@@geometrysquared1939
One piece and bleach fans really have it easy scaling characters cause people let y’all say whatever lol. In naruto every single punch and dodge is analyzed and how long it takes lol, what they say, there facial expressions. One piece fans saying akainu scales to WB when he is litteraly almost dead and he is punching him into the ground and blocking akainu easily would really get you clowned if this was the naruto verse lol
also in one piece when you're in emotional turmoil you are mentally nerfed. this means wb who took major injuries from the war, was literally on life support right before he had to get off his life support so he could participate in the war, AND was mentally nerfed did this to akainu 😭
One piece fans do it too, the problem is that it’s almost exclusively done on Reddit. Naruto and bleach power scalers are just more abundant cause their authors actually give scalable content.
All scalers for big series do this. Youre just showing you arent in the OP community like that. Its also convenient how you leave out that whitebeard got a free sneak to start the exchange and akainu still took off half of his face
@@KyubiCloaks no not really. Even op scalers admit the scaling scene just RECENTLY start to pick up for the series. That just means he got blitzed and off guarded by a old dying man, WB wasn’t even near akainu and ace when ace died so WB just blitzed lol that’s not a argument for akainu. He damaged a weakened WB face but didn’t move or sit him down. WB just one shotted him after. In a vs battle 1v1 outside the story that would be WB win cause akainu was literally passed out at his feet. He was raising his weapon about to kill him then teach showed up. That would just not fly in a real debate. Akainu was dead
Debunking every argument any Akainu-rider will say. 1) "Akainu was caught off guard" true, but irrelevant. After WB's first hit on Akainu, Akainu is somewhat injured, but WB himself is still in a worse position. WB has been stabbed, shot, wounded, has two holes in his chest, had a heart attack, just lost his son, and saw multiple of his crewmates get killed or heavily injured. And you're telling me Akainu getting caught off guard is relevant? The only thing that matters is who is more injured, and the answer is still WB. Yet despite that, WB still won. 2) "Akainu got back up and fought the entire WBP by himself" getting back up after you lose doesn't mean you didn't lose. And Akainu never fought all the WBP by himself. I've asked every single Admiral-stan to show me a single scan that shows Akainu fighting all of them by himself, and NEVER have I seen a single panel. Just Akainu staring menacingly at them, but staring=/=fighting. If it was, WB by himself took on the entire Marineford alliance by himself. 3) "WB died after that attack, Akainu killed him. But Akainu didn't die and got back up and continued fighting, therefore, Akainu won." Again, it doesn't matter what happens AFTER a fight. And the number of injuries you have is not indicative of who won. This type of debate where people argue someone who clearly lost won is something that only happens among One Piece fans. I've shown the anime and manga of this fight to multiple people who are not One Piece fans, 100% of them say WB won clearly. "B-B-but context..." there is no context. Just bias.
Akainu himself said that he was going to hold back because he didn’t want to destroy marine ford as shown in punk hazard. Why is context often used from manga fans is because akainu stopped a wb clash with his foot while his hands were in his pocket. Wb used 2 of the top 5 attacks on akainu he fell but he wasn’t concussed or out of fighting. Comes back only a nose bleed meaning the damage wasn’t significant to warrant a win. Meanwhile akainu blew half of wb face off Did more damage and took less damage. ( wasn’t concussed or injured enough not to fight ) Akainu didn’t lose to wb. Wb attack just pushed him into the bottom of marine ford
1- Akainu couldn’t go all out since he was protecting the island and WB was rage amped. Both fighter had nerfs and buffs making the fight inconclusive. Also, WB didn’t won, he just made Akainu fall into an abyss and Akainu chased his initial target (Luffy) instead of coming back to the fight 2- His objective wasn’t to fight them, he wanted to kill Luffy and they tried to stop him. Fact is that he cooked everyone that appeared 3- Just be honest, put Akainu with some ribs broken Vs WB with his organs and head destroyed, who do you think would win the fight if they continued? You’re wrong by the moment you assume Akainu lost since the fight by definition was inconclusive, both fighters went for other objectives instead of finishing the fight and you’re assuming WB won because the last hit was his (despite it being clear he was the one at disadvantage due to the damage he took)
@guilha1506 the important part is who had a greater nerf, which is clearly WB. He can't destroy Marineford the same as Akainu cuz his crew is still there and he's much more injured. TKO's are still wins, Akainu couldn't immediately get back up and started falling down and screaming, which is a loss no matter how you spin it.
@@Zero-ef4sc WB wasn’t holding back his fruit because he knows his crew can handle, they are used to it. If both were nerfed you can’t take conclusions If Akainu started melting the ground to chase Luffy immediately it means it wasn’t a TKO
I don’t know why Oda makes admirals such jokes after hyping them up so much. The best Admiral feats are Kizaru being equal to Luffy, who is slightly below Kaido. Kuzan being weaker than an old man Garp who was a rival to Roger in his prime so most likely a rival to marineford whitebeard in old age. And Akainu mortally wounding Whitebeard before getting destroyed. All this points to them being just slightly below Yonko, but still able to injury them heavily
I wouldn’t say admirals are jokes since they are equal or a fraction of a tier lower then the emperors. Plus the power levels of each respective warlord and admiral varies like how Garp is the strongest admiral we have seen so far and the same for Whitebeard before Kaido took his spot for the warlords.
@@emmarod8746 it really doesn’t vary that much. Kaido and Big Moms are stated and shown to be equals many times. And it’s stated that Yonko are in a deadlock because they are all pretty evenly matched. Same with Admirals, Kuzan and Akainu are equals, Kizaru showed the same feats as both of them in marineford and never shown to be weaker. Only excepts could be the two new ones but we haven’t seen then do much
@@nerdcorner2680 Big Mom and Kaido are def not equal. You have Big Mom who lost to Kid and Law and who was the most hurt in ages and then you have Kaido who has beyond his base form, his Hybrid form, then his Drunk Hybrid Form, then his Flame Torch above even that.
@@vampiranya9939 I don't know lots of these Anime studio's while some of them mess things up other types get certain things in actual fight scenes of movies and filler or extended canon fights effectively right for some portrayals. So Whitebeard meant to be this Peak of the Verse and legit Knocking Bro out in the Manga this is just extending the scene and it had to have some censorship because of stuff hopefully the remake is uncensored but this just goes to show the difference in tier. I think the fact that Whitebeard is Old, Sick, Dying and is still comparable is nuff said alone along with Shanks just blatnatly ending the war.
@@zelz3011 first of, in manga Whitebeard never knocked out Akainu. In anime there are a lot things that hype up Whitebeard and downplay Akainu. In the manga there wasn't a scene where Whitebeard menacingly stand behind Akainu making his sht his pants, in manga WB sneaks him with that punch, then there's no scene where Akainu painfully laying on the ground from that punch and actually IMMEDIATELY get up and counterattacks by taking half of his face of, to which WB also counterattacks while Akainu is still in air during his attack(no one arm boxing and throwing in the air with his collar bs) and sends him in the crack, where Akainu falls STILL CONSCIOUS, cursing and slurring WB, later we learned that Akainu actually used his time in the crack to melt his way through the ground and cut the way of Luffys escape (ch 575 - 577). There was no "difference in tier" that most yonko fans expected from a Roger's rival, Oda didn't make WB own Akainu but Toei did, which they was not suppose to do, they legit pushed an agenda, and a shitty one.
@@vampiranya9939 Bro was gone for a Chapter that's enough to assume he was knocked out. Also I don't see how you have to try and say he was using the time to melt his way through the ground and cut off that when he's MAGMA and relative to the other Admirals he would have the speed to do that after gaining back Consciousness even without it happening right after. It really just seems like you're in for the Admiral Agenda. The New Generation just doesn't seem to surpass the Old and you have like the weakest form of White-Beard running the gauntlet vs the Strongest the Admirals were being at the time. Low-Key if things don't go way higher Marineford Akainu would lose to G5 Luffy who most likely still would lose to like 5 or more characters also in that Yonko Level Shanks being one of them. Mihawk also being there.
@@zelz3011 tell that to a old not sick Garp who also used to rival Roger and got donitize by Kuzan(and would still be even without other commanders there), who by Garps own words was hesitating during the fight. And just like old Whitebeard the only thing he did was sending him down the crack, where we saw Kuzan falling still completely conscious and still moving, same as Akainu. But I guess you are really on that Old gen agenda.
i swear, the anime butchered the hell out of this scene. and all for the sake of a temporary catharsis, because people wanted to see him get his ass kicked for killing ace. that isnt at all how the scene went down in the manga in the manga, whitebeard snuck him, akainu turned around and literally erased part of wb's head, then wb made a crevasse and knocked akainu in it. 3 attacks exchanged in total, no over the top reactions, and akainu doesnt get put down from whitebeard's attacks, he just gets knocked into a hole because the ground fell out from under him. but akainu came back like 1-2 chapters later and was healthy enough to fight whitebeard's entire roster of commanders by himself at the same time, meanwhile whitebeard had like a third of his brain vaporized by akainu and was barley alive. up until that point, every exchange in the arc portrayed akainu as equal to whitebeard. prime whitebeard would probably be stronger than akainu, but literally the only thing you can say to put old wb above akainu is that wb knocked him in a hole after catching him off guard, because that shit in the anime isnt canon. and its a shame that they did that too. i like whitebeard a hell of a lot more than akainu, but akainu's intimidating image is forever tainted by that scene. hes supposed to be a late game antagonist for luffy, but now a lot of people just dont respect him because the anime made it look like whitebeard could wipe his ass with him.
I don't think they did. One piece fights be hella offscreen or short. That's why there is so many techniques that are "Anime only" and even sometimes anime only Haki users. When all it is would be extending a fight scene because they all be 1 pannel. Lucci vs Luffy Round 2 will probably have extended scenes before Luffy goes Gear 5th and after because Luffy literally looks at him in the Manga and next time we see them they are transformed. Luffy vs Kizaru despite everything else happening and that kinda just being some pannels in the back as things explain is like 4 chapters and bruh goes from base with one kick to whatever happens inbetween being unknown but he goes 4th Snakeman they do more of those Clash pannels ends up 5th Giant and then de-giantafies that's the weirdest thing of his giant form when it just stops. Then more clash pannels later till it finishes.
Another thing is that Whitebeard was Old, Sick, Dying, and having a Heart-attack that made it hard for them to use Haki well and still did so much so I don't think that puts Akainu relative to even Old White beard if they were peaked out. I also clearly think the Admirals got stronger as Akainu being relative to Aokiji since while their attacks take their leg off and burns lots of their body Akainu's body is riddled with Scars from Ice bro.
@@zelz3011 theres a difference between filling in gaps and just straight up changing the story though. at no point in the manga did akainu ever recieve a one sided beatdown from whitebeard. also, the entire fight for akainu vs whitebeard was on screen in the manga, so it isnt even filling in gaps, its just changing what happened in the story.
@@thatonesaiyan6309 I mean it's issue is it's a short interaction. Also Whitebeard still gets more licks in. This feels like one of those things which might never end until Oda gives a statement but when it comes to the anime the fights are kinda crazy in how they differ. I'm pretty sure there is even that weird Nami Manga where the fight there is better because it seems more focused but I don't remember. There's benefits and nerfs depending on the version.
@@zelz3011 it being a short interaction was the whole point though. whitebeard caught him off guard and knocked him down a hole, if it were a long interaction, hed no longer be off guard. and he never was off guard to begin with in the anime. "still getting more licks in" doesnt matter either when we're talking about 1 compared to 2, where 1 of them was a sneak attack. and especially doesnt matter when the anime literally removed the attack akainu did land. literally the only thing about the fight they adapted properly is that it ended by akainu falling in a hole, everything else, they changed.
It's a shame that Seth doesn't even try to avoid One Piece spoilers. Would've been cool to hear his opinions if he went into One Piece completely blind.
Most of that shit was filler, but yeah Akainu got folded in the anime In the manga, Akainu does actually get caught off guard, Whitebeard wasn't able to do anything to Akainu without that for like the whole of Marineford
Wb was supposed to represent the current peak but in reality he was the weakest of the yonko back then simply because of him being old and deadly sick, prime wb different story
I’m always the guy shitting on shanks being a rat and bullying his fan boys but there’s no shot in him being admiral level 😭 luffy literally put kizaru momentarily out of commission after landing a single punch on him and shanks shook off an admiral already by just flexing conquerors but he did say that he doesn’t read it anymore to be fair
@@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyouvegapunk called him heartless in the most recent chapter because even though he’s shedding some tears, he still regardless of how he may feel is a soldier and doesn’t let his personal feelings get in the way of following orders. He demolished Sentomaru and he’s known about kuma the entire time so that’s like saying he’s been nerfed the whole series even though we see him get frustrated when he fails missions like after the sabaody incident (Something that also involved kuma). The reason luffy is down is because of his pure abysmal stamina that’s basically the worst in the series as of right now which has nothing to do with kizaru who did nothing to him. Characters of Ace’s tier could fight for like 5 days non stop so Oda omega nerfed luffy’s with gear 5
@@yungrav_y when you’re will wavers, you’re haki grows weaker. Kizaru’s haki is at his absolute worst right now and he took white star gun and is still moving. Kizaru out stats every other version of luffy other then g5 and could still contend with him. Kizaru getting up also implies he could have just killed luffy but choose not too making him technically stronger then him.
@@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou his resolve is set to defeat the strawhats and kuma.. “you’ve developed very well, show me how you’ve grown.. let’s finally end this”. Just because he will grieve for them doesn’t change the fact that he literally is there to take vegapunk to the death penalty to begin with. “Checklist to keep safe, power plant, punk records, and York. Checklist to be eliminated, dr vegapunk” Otherwise you’d have to show direct proof that his power is affect by this so called wavered resolve or you’d just be assuming stuff about kizaru’s motivations. By this point kizaru certainly knows of the very dirty side of the government and as said earlier was following orders perfectly fine totally unwavered knowing kuma was going through a mind wipe. You’re assuming he out-stats luffy simply because he used gear 5? Luffy could’ve not even used acoc until the last punch (only punch to actually land which btw put kizaru out of commission for multiple chapters) so what you assuming lucci is kaido level now because he supposedly needed gear 5? And then you assuming with 0 proof that kizaru spared luffy and could’ve killed him again the burden of proof is on you to prove that kizaru has wavered resolve that’s directly affecting his power the will power affecting haki statement is not proof
white beard enters the fight on 1 hp and still outperforms akainu never once using a named attack or haki. literally walks bro down and pimp slaps him around
@@vont8364 unless outright stated, nobody was using Haki in the war so this doesn’t just apply to whitebeard. After the Oden flashbacks, I don’t think the Gura Gura has any named attacks. More importantly, the admirals were clearly hindered by being at Marine HQ, and yet Akainu was shown consistently being able to fight Whitebeard. The manga actually demonstrates it even better how relative they were, I’d still say Whitebeard is stronger but let’s not act like he was “bodying” anyone.
@@jojoplayz3008 akainu used a named attack that white beard ddnt even attempt to dodge and ddnt even seem remotely bother by the attack, then akainu literally gets put into a bodybag along with a sizable portion of his army and his base that he was oh so hard trying to protect. whitebeard then immediately after folds blackbeard as if nothing happened. also most high tier characters were shown to be using haki during that time and it was a point of emphasis that 1 luffy couldn’t so he was kinda useless there. and whitebeard couldn’t because it literally gave him a heart attack his df ability just allowed him to hit akainu regardless
@@jojoplayz3008 and regardless the end result is the same with akainu being unable to move and fallin into the abyss after only being hit twice and whitebeard going on to continue fighting despite just having put down an admiral
Hes 100% relative to sick whitebeard. Prime/not sick whitebeard slams tho. Most of yall are anime only and dont know that akainu literally put a whole through the top of whitebeards head. Whitebeard was able to land a full power sneak with his devil fruit at the beginning of their exchange and akainu still came back after being hit into the ground twice.
bro caught a heart attack just TRYING to use haki😭😭being only relative to a nigga who was finna die in 5 mins isnt a feat and only proves yonko>>>admirals. cus for starters wb was getting jumped by all the admirals and still folded akainu at the end
@@punkrider8758 Maybe but one piece fights in manga are very short and leave a lot of interpretation in clashes and such. Honestly unless Toei does something wild like Jimbei's barrier most of the time it's fine to see the anime as just an extended interpretation on the Manga. I feel like I see lots of people who even Powerscale be waiting for the anime even though they read the manga to extend on some moments.
@@Mr.BubblesPGL if he is containing in his power he is not going all out and using it to max ability. Him hitting Akainu with a limited quake attack that might leave him alive vs him not hitting him with a planet splitting quake attack that will 100% kill him is the definition of holding back.
@@Mr.BubblesPGL His attacks didn’t just hit Akainu, his hits resulted in damage throughout the island. If it had the full power of a planet splitting attack no matter how small the distance the surrounding area would be completely demolished.
Seth has to be memeing right? There's no way Akainu loses that 1v1 against Whitebeard... Akainu has 10 days of durability and stanima lol Whitebeard didn't even make it to the end of the war in durability(a few hours at most). The fair 1v1 has Whitebeard having the upper hand but he goes down the same way Aokiji vs *spoilers* does... Akainu isn't concerned with 10 counts or foolishness. He will literally keep fighting until he's dead or the winner.
I seriously don’t get how there are admiral agenda pushers after Marineford, Wano and even currently in Egghead. they’ve never looked good when fighting anyone YC1 lvl or above
So we're not gonna talk about how WB lost half his face, got Donutted and received damage to the point where he could die to a bunch of bullets. Meanwhile Akainu took an offguard attack by enraged WB and got up a minute later with no visible damage and kept the gauntlet going with the rest of the old man's crew. Idk if relative is a good way to put it, but this fight clearly showed that Akainu has way better durability than WB.
Hahahahahhaa😂😂😂 Nope. Kizaru low diffs him. Kizaru , akainu and even kuzab together aint gonna scratch whitebeard. And i mean 4 days before marine ford whitebeard , not even healthy 2-4 years before luffy start whitebeard.
@@zelz3011 actually not really talking about his opinions on the whitebeard vs akainu or who stronger There was one thing that i cant believe he said about the actual fight as if like he doesn't know how to scale Witch was him saying that akainu off guard whitebeard when he he him in the gut How did he off guard him when what happened was whitebeard through s punch and then akainu dodged and hit him in the gut lol they were facing Each other no one was behind anyone But he wouldn't say the same thing about akainu actually getting off guard by whitebeard when he appeared behind him
@@AP_flacko Isn't that because there was smoke? Or more-so because they attacked in an instance in which they were down at higher speeds than expected. I do agree however that Whitebeards first attack was Offguard Akainu.
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you’re the pettiest bitch ever 😭😭😭😭 i’m crying
Crispy
It was different in the manga if you read it all in the anime Toei kinda added filler fight and made him look bad in the anime but in the manga it was kind of a sneak attack and WB risk his head to hit akainu the last attack then he fell down and get back up and solo WB entire commanders
@@lituana5393nigga we don’t care 😂
@@lituana5393 I don't really believe in that.
One piece fights leave lots to be desired.
The manga versions of fights are so much shorter and from what I've seen Oda uses a lot of *Clashing* pannels of like attack is thrown *Spark* like effects to imply things happening so honestly with how the Anime extends I don't think it's really that bad or out of character or the series in portrayal.
"What happens when Whitebeard whips out the belt again"
Probably the best thing to come out this stream
Dude I’m fuckin crying 9:55
“And the folding continues” cooked the hell outta me
Whitebeard slander is crazy. That man literally was carrying his team the entire war. Only reason any of the admirals survived was as soon as whitebeard gets ready to kill one, something happens and the admirals switch places or some shit
Bro facts bro. Goatbeard slander needs to stop 🗣️💯💯
Well 2 of the admirals didn't take the war seriously. Whitebeards forces would be fucked if Kizaru, Aokiji, Mihawk or Doflamingo got serious
@@SlashinatorZ doflamingo is trash....
@@Zenith_Nullshe has better feats than Mihawk in marineford💀
Forgot that he got saved from an attack by Jozu and was getting clowned by Kizaru?
Glad your back Seth, this is what I needed !
All of this while Whitebeard has stage 4 cancer
"Shanks is gonna be admiral level"
Not sure why he’s giving us his takes if he haven’t finished one piece.
yah that statement was baffling😭😭
@@vont8364not really he prolly thinks all the admirals were as strong as akainu
@@Ykwashappen and hes laughably wrong so idk what is your point
@@vont8364 i think shanks is akainus level and I’m saying at that time Seth prolly thought all the admirals can preform on akainus level
*WE ARE WATCHING HIM LITERALLY GET FOLDED*
He was holding back.
- Admiral Agenda
The anime did him dirty read the manga
@@ThyBoiledOne all the admirals were cope
You know you ain't on someone's level when you need your whole hood, plus your homies from down the block to jump him
“HE BREAKS THE SCREEN!! ON HIS RIBS!!!”
This shit was so fucking funny
Nah word 😂😂😂
I fucking love how funny he is man
Ive never heard of the Gura-Gura No Mi being referred to as breaking the manga panel. I saw it as literally gripping the air or shattering the reality and space between you. The shockwaves can like surround the fists and weapons of the wielder. So his shockwaves can like fold and warp reality. Or destroy the world (sekai)
Also you liking One Piece even for memes is pretty lit bro
White Beard hakaied akainus whole anatomy on some kamui bs😹
Whitebeard won but lost half his face. A lot of people like to ignore that
@@chrislewis7006while he was having a stroke and was weary from clashing against other admirals💀
The anime has destroyed the fandom’s ability to scale Akainu accurately
Akainu got bent out of shape 😭😭😭
And walked it off😭
@@Terrahhhhright after he waited for Whitebeard to log out...😂😂😂
LMFAOOO bro deadass either waited for wb to die to come back or he couldn't come back because of the damage wb gave him. both interpretations are bad for admirals if the strongest navy got beat by a MENTALLY NERFED, ON LIFE SUPPORT AND MASSIVELY NERFED FROM PHYSICAL DAMAGE version of wb. not a good look for the admirals@@geometrysquared1939
Finally someone that understands what WhiteBeard did!!
Bruh just saw the title, and I'm mad someone said this
They are tho
@goji8755 yeah I guess sick white beard but Prime is wiping
@@TheAnimeGYt post-ts akainu is stronger than prime wb
@@goji8755 he better be he hasn't been shown to do anything since the timeskip and he's going to need to keep up with Luffy if they ever fight
“that’s white beards son! hits him with the shinra tensei !” 😭 it’s true tho people gotta stop the admiral agenda
One piece and bleach fans really have it easy scaling characters cause people let y’all say whatever lol. In naruto every single punch and dodge is analyzed and how long it takes lol, what they say, there facial expressions. One piece fans saying akainu scales to WB when he is litteraly almost dead and he is punching him into the ground and blocking akainu easily would really get you clowned if this was the naruto verse lol
also in one piece when you're in emotional turmoil you are mentally nerfed. this means wb who took major injuries from the war, was literally on life support right before he had to get off his life support so he could participate in the war, AND was mentally nerfed did this to akainu 😭
One piece fans do it too, the problem is that it’s almost exclusively done on Reddit.
Naruto and bleach power scalers are just more abundant cause their authors actually give scalable content.
All scalers for big series do this. Youre just showing you arent in the OP community like that. Its also convenient how you leave out that whitebeard got a free sneak to start the exchange and akainu still took off half of his face
@@KyubiCloaks no not really. Even op scalers admit the scaling scene just RECENTLY start to pick up for the series. That just means he got blitzed and off guarded by a old dying man, WB wasn’t even near akainu and ace when ace died so WB just blitzed lol that’s not a argument for akainu. He damaged a weakened WB face but didn’t move or sit him down. WB just one shotted him after. In a vs battle 1v1 outside the story that would be WB win cause akainu was literally passed out at his feet. He was raising his weapon about to kill him then teach showed up. That would just not fly in a real debate. Akainu was dead
@@Zenith_Nullsyou must not be in Bda Law server if you think this
Old dead Whitebeard was cookin akainu. Akainu was scared legit. Shook. Blackbeard too. & sengoku.
You talking about the anime?
@@Soulkingzzz-_-Nobody gives a damn about minute differences in the versions of the story when they both arrive at the same place storywise.
@@emmarod8746 yes its happened around the same time but there was a different outcome
Debunking every argument any Akainu-rider will say.
1) "Akainu was caught off guard" true, but irrelevant. After WB's first hit on Akainu, Akainu is somewhat injured, but WB himself is still in a worse position. WB has been stabbed, shot, wounded, has two holes in his chest, had a heart attack, just lost his son, and saw multiple of his crewmates get killed or heavily injured. And you're telling me Akainu getting caught off guard is relevant? The only thing that matters is who is more injured, and the answer is still WB. Yet despite that, WB still won.
2) "Akainu got back up and fought the entire WBP by himself" getting back up after you lose doesn't mean you didn't lose. And Akainu never fought all the WBP by himself. I've asked every single Admiral-stan to show me a single scan that shows Akainu fighting all of them by himself, and NEVER have I seen a single panel. Just Akainu staring menacingly at them, but staring=/=fighting. If it was, WB by himself took on the entire Marineford alliance by himself.
3) "WB died after that attack, Akainu killed him. But Akainu didn't die and got back up and continued fighting, therefore, Akainu won." Again, it doesn't matter what happens AFTER a fight. And the number of injuries you have is not indicative of who won.
This type of debate where people argue someone who clearly lost won is something that only happens among One Piece fans. I've shown the anime and manga of this fight to multiple people who are not One Piece fans, 100% of them say WB won clearly. "B-B-but context..." there is no context. Just bias.
Akainu himself said that he was going to hold back because he didn’t want to destroy marine ford as shown in punk hazard.
Why is context often used from manga fans is because akainu stopped a wb clash with his foot while his hands were in his pocket.
Wb used 2 of the top 5 attacks on akainu he fell but he wasn’t concussed or out of fighting. Comes back only a nose bleed meaning the damage wasn’t significant to warrant a win. Meanwhile akainu blew half of wb face off
Did more damage and took less damage. ( wasn’t concussed or injured enough not to fight )
Akainu didn’t lose to wb. Wb attack just pushed him into the bottom of marine ford
@@mr._dweikk Akainu never said he was holding back. He said he wanted to stop WB from destroying Marineford, not that he wanted to stop himself.
1- Akainu couldn’t go all out since he was protecting the island and WB was rage amped. Both fighter had nerfs and buffs making the fight inconclusive. Also, WB didn’t won, he just made Akainu fall into an abyss and Akainu chased his initial target (Luffy) instead of coming back to the fight
2- His objective wasn’t to fight them, he wanted to kill Luffy and they tried to stop him. Fact is that he cooked everyone that appeared
3- Just be honest, put Akainu with some ribs broken Vs WB with his organs and head destroyed, who do you think would win the fight if they continued?
You’re wrong by the moment you assume Akainu lost since the fight by definition was inconclusive, both fighters went for other objectives instead of finishing the fight and you’re assuming WB won because the last hit was his (despite it being clear he was the one at disadvantage due to the damage he took)
@guilha1506 the important part is who had a greater nerf, which is clearly WB. He can't destroy Marineford the same as Akainu cuz his crew is still there and he's much more injured. TKO's are still wins, Akainu couldn't immediately get back up and started falling down and screaming, which is a loss no matter how you spin it.
@@Zero-ef4sc WB wasn’t holding back his fruit because he knows his crew can handle, they are used to it. If both were nerfed you can’t take conclusions
If Akainu started melting the ground to chase Luffy immediately it means it wasn’t a TKO
I don’t know why Oda makes admirals such jokes after hyping them up so much. The best Admiral feats are Kizaru being equal to Luffy, who is slightly below Kaido. Kuzan being weaker than an old man Garp who was a rival to Roger in his prime so most likely a rival to marineford whitebeard in old age. And Akainu mortally wounding Whitebeard before getting destroyed. All this points to them being just slightly below Yonko, but still able to injury them heavily
I wouldn’t say admirals are jokes since they are equal or a fraction of a tier lower then the emperors. Plus the power levels of each respective warlord and admiral varies like how Garp is the strongest admiral we have seen so far and the same for Whitebeard before Kaido took his spot for the warlords.
@@emmarod8746 it really doesn’t vary that much. Kaido and Big Moms are stated and shown to be equals many times. And it’s stated that Yonko are in a deadlock because they are all pretty evenly matched. Same with Admirals, Kuzan and Akainu are equals, Kizaru showed the same feats as both of them in marineford and never shown to be weaker. Only excepts could be the two new ones but we haven’t seen then do much
@@nerdcorner2680 Big Mom and Kaido are def not equal.
You have Big Mom who lost to Kid and Law and who was the most hurt in ages and then you have Kaido who has beyond his base form, his Hybrid form, then his Drunk Hybrid Form, then his Flame Torch above even that.
An out of prime dying whitebeard that's too old he can't use his haki bullied him out of oblivion
“Shanks is admiral level” 😭😭😭😭
all this whitebeard hype but he must not have seen the clip online of shanks and whitebeard being relative
More agendas. We need more agenda fight reactions.
Imagine what Kaido would do to these bozos 😂😂😂😂😂
Akainu would become a Slugma
Love this man we need a garp video
Funniest thing I’ve seen in years
Whitebeard is one of the only characters I like and can stand in one piece. He deserves his respect.
Safest agenda is always Shanks agenda. Hes going to reveal as the most powerful.
Indeed
Weaker than Mihawk
@@playboi2900 negative
@@playboi2900wont be true
I'm just here to debate. The anime can be an alternative or extended interpretation because of how short Manga battles are.
Yes, but doesn't suppose to change what happened, because animators felt like Oda didn't showcased an old man as fans wanted.
@@vampiranya9939 I don't know lots of these Anime studio's while some of them mess things up other types get certain things in actual fight scenes of movies and filler or extended canon fights effectively right for some portrayals.
So Whitebeard meant to be this Peak of the Verse and legit Knocking Bro out in the Manga this is just extending the scene and it had to have some censorship because of stuff hopefully the remake is uncensored but this just goes to show the difference in tier. I think the fact that Whitebeard is Old, Sick, Dying and is still comparable is nuff said alone along with Shanks just blatnatly ending the war.
@@zelz3011 first of, in manga Whitebeard never knocked out Akainu. In anime there are a lot things that hype up Whitebeard and downplay Akainu. In the manga there wasn't a scene where Whitebeard menacingly stand behind Akainu making his sht his pants, in manga WB sneaks him with that punch, then there's no scene where Akainu painfully laying on the ground from that punch and actually IMMEDIATELY get up and counterattacks by taking half of his face of, to which WB also counterattacks while Akainu is still in air during his attack(no one arm boxing and throwing in the air with his collar bs) and sends him in the crack, where Akainu falls STILL CONSCIOUS, cursing and slurring WB, later we learned that Akainu actually used his time in the crack to melt his way through the ground and cut the way of Luffys escape (ch 575 - 577). There was no "difference in tier" that most yonko fans expected from a Roger's rival, Oda didn't make WB own Akainu but Toei did, which they was not suppose to do, they legit pushed an agenda, and a shitty one.
@@vampiranya9939 Bro was gone for a Chapter that's enough to assume he was knocked out.
Also I don't see how you have to try and say he was using the time to melt his way through the ground and cut off that when he's MAGMA and relative to the other Admirals he would have the speed to do that after gaining back Consciousness even without it happening right after.
It really just seems like you're in for the Admiral Agenda.
The New Generation just doesn't seem to surpass the Old and you have like the weakest form of White-Beard running the gauntlet vs the Strongest the Admirals were being at the time.
Low-Key if things don't go way higher Marineford Akainu would lose to G5 Luffy who most likely still would lose to like 5 or more characters also in that Yonko Level Shanks being one of them. Mihawk also being there.
@@zelz3011 tell that to a old not sick Garp who also used to rival Roger and got donitize by Kuzan(and would still be even without other commanders there), who by Garps own words was hesitating during the fight. And just like old Whitebeard the only thing he did was sending him down the crack, where we saw Kuzan falling still completely conscious and still moving, same as Akainu. But I guess you are really on that Old gen agenda.
i swear, the anime butchered the hell out of this scene. and all for the sake of a temporary catharsis, because people wanted to see him get his ass kicked for killing ace. that isnt at all how the scene went down in the manga
in the manga, whitebeard snuck him, akainu turned around and literally erased part of wb's head, then wb made a crevasse and knocked akainu in it. 3 attacks exchanged in total, no over the top reactions, and akainu doesnt get put down from whitebeard's attacks, he just gets knocked into a hole because the ground fell out from under him. but akainu came back like 1-2 chapters later and was healthy enough to fight whitebeard's entire roster of commanders by himself at the same time, meanwhile whitebeard had like a third of his brain vaporized by akainu and was barley alive.
up until that point, every exchange in the arc portrayed akainu as equal to whitebeard.
prime whitebeard would probably be stronger than akainu, but literally the only thing you can say to put old wb above akainu is that wb knocked him in a hole after catching him off guard, because that shit in the anime isnt canon. and its a shame that they did that too. i like whitebeard a hell of a lot more than akainu, but akainu's intimidating image is forever tainted by that scene. hes supposed to be a late game antagonist for luffy, but now a lot of people just dont respect him because the anime made it look like whitebeard could wipe his ass with him.
I don't think they did. One piece fights be hella offscreen or short.
That's why there is so many techniques that are "Anime only" and even sometimes anime only Haki users.
When all it is would be extending a fight scene because they all be 1 pannel.
Lucci vs Luffy Round 2 will probably have extended scenes before Luffy goes Gear 5th and after because Luffy literally looks at him in the Manga and next time we see them they are transformed.
Luffy vs Kizaru despite everything else happening and that kinda just being some pannels in the back as things explain is like 4 chapters and bruh goes from base with one kick to whatever happens inbetween being unknown but he goes 4th Snakeman they do more of those Clash pannels ends up 5th Giant and then de-giantafies that's the weirdest thing of his giant form when it just stops.
Then more clash pannels later till it finishes.
Another thing is that Whitebeard was Old, Sick, Dying, and having a Heart-attack that made it hard for them to use Haki well and still did so much so I don't think that puts Akainu relative to even Old White beard if they were peaked out.
I also clearly think the Admirals got stronger as Akainu being relative to Aokiji since while their attacks take their leg off and burns lots of their body Akainu's body is riddled with Scars from Ice bro.
@@zelz3011 theres a difference between filling in gaps and just straight up changing the story though. at no point in the manga did akainu ever recieve a one sided beatdown from whitebeard. also, the entire fight for akainu vs whitebeard was on screen in the manga, so it isnt even filling in gaps, its just changing what happened in the story.
@@thatonesaiyan6309 I mean it's issue is it's a short interaction.
Also Whitebeard still gets more licks in.
This feels like one of those things which might never end until Oda gives a statement but when it comes to the anime the fights are kinda crazy in how they differ. I'm pretty sure there is even that weird Nami Manga where the fight there is better because it seems more focused but I don't remember. There's benefits and nerfs depending on the version.
@@zelz3011 it being a short interaction was the whole point though. whitebeard caught him off guard and knocked him down a hole, if it were a long interaction, hed no longer be off guard. and he never was off guard to begin with in the anime.
"still getting more licks in" doesnt matter either when we're talking about 1 compared to 2, where 1 of them was a sneak attack. and especially doesnt matter when the anime literally removed the attack akainu did land. literally the only thing about the fight they adapted properly is that it ended by akainu falling in a hole, everything else, they changed.
LET’S DO AN 10 SECOND COUNT AGAIN 😂😂😂😂😂
It's a shame that Seth doesn't even try to avoid One Piece spoilers. Would've been cool to hear his opinions if he went into One Piece completely blind.
I think most in the anime community know about what happens at Marineford
Why the f he would watch that trash ass anime if one piece fans are the dumbest dudes in the planet
Shibuya Megumi (pre Sukuna) vs Teen Gojo (pre Toji fight)
Pre Toji Fight Gojo was already stronger than Toji. Toji had to wear him down and sneak him to get the win. Gojo negs Pre Sukuna Megumi
He’s spitting with the Mihawk point
Very sick and old white bears beat akainu he was so sick he couldn't even use haki
He could use armament haki.
He couldnt use obv or conq haki but he could use ; atleast basic armament haki.
@@elcalabozodelandroide2he couldnt, he stabbed a logia and they werent damaged. if he used arm haki it was a one shot on kuzan
Akanui got slammed 😭😭😭. Also yonko>admrials
Most of that shit was filler, but yeah Akainu got folded in the anime
In the manga, Akainu does actually get caught off guard, Whitebeard wasn't able to do anything to Akainu without that for like the whole of Marineford
FACTSSS💯💯💯
Wb was supposed to represent the current peak but in reality he was the weakest of the yonko back then simply because of him being old and deadly sick, prime wb different story
I’m always the guy shitting on shanks being a rat and bullying his fan boys but there’s no shot in him being admiral level 😭 luffy literally put kizaru momentarily out of commission after landing a single punch on him and shanks shook off an admiral already by just flexing conquerors but he did say that he doesn’t read it anymore to be fair
Kizaru is still able to fight and luffy is down. Kizaru is also objectively nerfed since his will is being broken.
@@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyouvegapunk called him heartless in the most recent chapter because even though he’s shedding some tears, he still regardless of how he may feel is a soldier and doesn’t let his personal feelings get in the way of following orders. He demolished Sentomaru and he’s known about kuma the entire time so that’s like saying he’s been nerfed the whole series even though we see him get frustrated when he fails missions like after the sabaody incident (Something that also involved kuma). The reason luffy is down is because of his pure abysmal stamina that’s basically the worst in the series as of right now which has nothing to do with kizaru who did nothing to him. Characters of Ace’s tier could fight for like 5 days non stop so Oda omega nerfed luffy’s with gear 5
@@yungrav_y when you’re will wavers, you’re haki grows weaker. Kizaru’s haki is at his absolute worst right now and he took white star gun and is still moving.
Kizaru out stats every other version of luffy other then g5 and could still contend with him. Kizaru getting up also implies he could have just killed luffy but choose not too making him technically stronger then him.
@@turkeysgotmorecloutthanyou his resolve is set to defeat the strawhats and kuma.. “you’ve developed very well, show me how you’ve grown.. let’s finally end this”. Just because he will grieve for them doesn’t change the fact that he literally is there to take vegapunk to the death penalty to begin with. “Checklist to keep safe, power plant, punk records, and York. Checklist to be eliminated, dr vegapunk” Otherwise you’d have to show direct proof that his power is affect by this so called wavered resolve or you’d just be assuming stuff about kizaru’s motivations.
By this point kizaru certainly knows of the very dirty side of the government and as said earlier was following orders perfectly fine totally unwavered knowing kuma was going through a mind wipe.
You’re assuming he out-stats luffy simply because he used gear 5? Luffy could’ve not even used acoc until the last punch (only punch to actually land which btw put kizaru out of commission for multiple chapters) so what you assuming lucci is kaido level now because he supposedly needed gear 5?
And then you assuming with 0 proof that kizaru spared luffy and could’ve killed him again the burden of proof is on you to prove that kizaru has wavered resolve that’s directly affecting his power the will power affecting haki statement is not proof
Seth get caught up in the manga
Nah ain't no way 👀👁️👁️💀💀💀☠️☠️☠️🤣🤣🤣👌👌👌
14:35 “he fuckin trick shotted him”
Great ass video for the laughter, bruh
He was relative in the initial clash
He turned him into flat Stanley
We gotta work on your One Piece scaling brotha
I think he's takes are pretty good for how Lil he's read
*ignoring the fact that Akainu put two holes in whitebeard and took half his face off*
He was already half dead at that point and akainu still got folded. A fresh yonko would have made quick work of akainu at that point in time.
white beard enters the fight on 1 hp and still outperforms akainu never once using a named attack or haki. literally walks bro down and pimp slaps him around
@@vont8364 unless outright stated, nobody was using Haki in the war so this doesn’t just apply to whitebeard. After the Oden flashbacks, I don’t think the Gura Gura has any named attacks. More importantly, the admirals were clearly hindered by being at Marine HQ, and yet Akainu was shown consistently being able to fight Whitebeard. The manga actually demonstrates it even better how relative they were, I’d still say Whitebeard is stronger but let’s not act like he was “bodying” anyone.
@@jojoplayz3008 akainu used a named attack that white beard ddnt even attempt to dodge and ddnt even seem remotely bother by the attack, then akainu literally gets put into a bodybag along with a sizable portion of his army and his base that he was oh so hard trying to protect. whitebeard then immediately after folds blackbeard as if nothing happened. also most high tier characters were shown to be using haki during that time and it was a point of emphasis that 1 luffy couldn’t so he was kinda useless there. and whitebeard couldn’t because it literally gave him a heart attack his df ability just allowed him to hit akainu regardless
@@jojoplayz3008 and regardless the end result is the same with akainu being unable to move and fallin into the abyss after only being hit twice and whitebeard going on to continue fighting despite just having put down an admiral
WB the goat.
Vintage debate seth . Pinpin win 😂😂
This was so good lol
Nah lol Shanks Admiral level is insane and I'm pro Admiral agenda so Akainu > Kaido lol but nah Shanks is different...
The dumbest take 😂
React to latest opm chp if you could, major scale upgrade for the series
When was this????
Today twitch stream
Akainu is the goat but I can’t see him beating a yonko, atleast in marineford, he can beat big mom probably and mabye Blackbeard.
Crusty mic
Hes 100% relative to sick whitebeard. Prime/not sick whitebeard slams tho. Most of yall are anime only and dont know that akainu literally put a whole through the top of whitebeards head. Whitebeard was able to land a full power sneak with his devil fruit at the beginning of their exchange and akainu still came back after being hit into the ground twice.
bro caught a heart attack just TRYING to use haki😭😭being only relative to a nigga who was finna die in 5 mins isnt a feat and only proves yonko>>>admirals. cus for starters wb was getting jumped by all the admirals and still folded akainu at the end
Different canonicities????
@@punkrider8758 Maybe but one piece fights in manga are very short and leave a lot of interpretation in clashes and such.
Honestly unless Toei does something wild like Jimbei's barrier most of the time it's fine to see the anime as just an extended interpretation on the Manga. I feel like I see lots of people who even Powerscale be waiting for the anime even though they read the manga to extend on some moments.
Anime onlys got no Room,their Opinions are all invalid.
Nah.
@@zelz3011 yuh-huh
Lol what Akainu > MF WB, anyone who disagrees is a filler anime toei watcher
Mmm crunchy mic
None of the admirals were trying in marineford, they couldn't or else they would destroy their own army
The same could literally be said for the opposing team.
@emmarod8746 not really, WB had amazing control over his fruit, he was going all out, just containing the destruction of his surroundings
@@Mr.BubblesPGL if he is containing in his power he is not going all out and using it to max ability. Him hitting Akainu with a limited quake attack that might leave him alive vs him not hitting him with a planet splitting quake attack that will 100% kill him is the definition of holding back.
@emmarod8746 not containing his power, just his range, he's still using full force with his attacks, just not using the in widespread areas
@@Mr.BubblesPGL His attacks didn’t just hit Akainu, his hits resulted in damage throughout the island. If it had the full power of a planet splitting attack no matter how small the distance the surrounding area would be completely demolished.
White beard the GOAT!
Nah Seth is experiencing One Piece through memes and Tik Tok
Half of the junutsu kaisen fandom did the same and no one vat an eye for it.
Seth has to be memeing right? There's no way Akainu loses that 1v1 against Whitebeard... Akainu has 10 days of durability and stanima lol Whitebeard didn't even make it to the end of the war in durability(a few hours at most). The fair 1v1 has Whitebeard having the upper hand but he goes down the same way Aokiji vs *spoilers* does... Akainu isn't concerned with 10 counts or foolishness. He will literally keep fighting until he's dead or the winner.
He didnt watch the series.
Is not that deep
I seriously don’t get how there are admiral agenda pushers after Marineford, Wano and even currently in Egghead. they’ve never looked good when fighting anyone YC1 lvl or above
So we're not gonna talk about how WB lost half his face, got Donutted and received damage to the point where he could die to a bunch of bullets. Meanwhile Akainu took an offguard attack by enraged WB and got up a minute later with no visible damage and kept the gauntlet going with the rest of the old man's crew. Idk if relative is a good way to put it, but this fight clearly showed that Akainu has way better durability than WB.
goji10 dude saying that the anime is not canon
Yonko are above admiral level by far.
This dude had so many bad takes
Finish One Piece so your takes wouldnt be trash please.
What happened to the pedo allegations?
They were fake.
Jk, kaido beats whitebeard 100%
Old man Whitebeard probably but not peak Whitebeard.
Hahahahahhaa😂😂😂
Nope.
Kizaru low diffs him.
Kizaru , akainu and even kuzab together aint gonna scratch whitebeard.
And i mean 4 days before marine ford whitebeard , not even healthy 2-4 years before luffy start whitebeard.
Bro that shit is toei only 😭😭
Sakazuki is HIM!!
😭
Anime ain't canon lol
Terrible take
The anime was different than the manga. The anime made WB look way better and it reduced the damage Akainu did.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
one of the worst takes i ever seen from seth
Nah.
This is honestly one of his best takes.
@@zelz3011 actually not really talking about his opinions on the whitebeard vs akainu or who stronger
There was one thing that i cant believe he said about the actual fight as if like he doesn't know how to scale
Witch was him saying that akainu off guard whitebeard when he he him in the gut
How did he off guard him when what happened was whitebeard through s punch and then akainu dodged and hit him in the gut lol they were facing Each other no one was behind anyone
But he wouldn't say the same thing about akainu actually getting off guard by whitebeard when he appeared behind him
@@AP_flacko Isn't that because there was smoke? Or more-so because they attacked in an instance in which they were down at higher speeds than expected.
I do agree however that Whitebeards first attack was Offguard Akainu.
Akainu slams a prime whitebeard
So your basically saying Akainu would destroy Gol Roger too huh?
@@emmarod8746 yes, I am
@@Xyra122 😑
Delusional
@@CrunchyAmir it’s true, Akainu beats rock’s
Seth L