SethTheProgrammer VS Jordy Debate | Veganism Ethics (Prescriptive and Descriptive)
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2018
- Mock Debating Jordy (Ask Yourself Moderator) on the moral philosophy of Veganism. We also go over how the subject goes for Individuals vs Societal ethics, and the difference between debating veganism via descriptive and prescriptive argumentation.
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Sorry for being a total mouth breather, my gain was really high on my OBS lol
Pinpin waited a full ass day to watch the second half of this debate you ass
It's always entertaining The more chady the better
Let's have a Debate Seth.
You should've recorded you pissing
Yo Seth Make a new Server.
Debate something involved with people claiming to be insane
AshtonBurnette 11 like Parrot saying Kakazu beats Pain
i hate hearing myself talk...
Marietha Strong I stutter as well, have since I was in 1st grade or sooner but you learn to cope with it.
Marietha Strong he portrayed himself in a respectful way, much respect to this dude he’s much better then a lot of the other debaters I’ve witnessed even if I disagree with their premise
I do too
Yea same
do you have twitter?
Madara still solos.
Even still
W
"Hitler was consistent"-Seth 2018
I mean... wasn't he? In his own fucked up way lol
He said that to prove consistency does not equal morality.
@@VoltixSZN wow really, thanks for clearing that up with me i dont know what id do without your insightful commentary. Its just really funny without context
@@GolDenflo7 Well he pulled a lot of bs out of his ass that didn’t make sense for his ideology. Like he killed massive amounts of romanies for being “non aryan” despite Aryan theory being made for the soul purpose of explaining why Indians and Europeans are similar in language. Romanies are believed to have came from India btw
@@goodpol5022 so he wasn’t consistent?
Last time I was this early, Itachi was equal to Jiraya.
Ryukishi07 'The Creator' Yeah all those itachitards that think Itachi and Kisame can beat Jiraiya.
Hypebeast edo itachi rods jiraya
@@minh9026 or healthy itachi
@@testacer5101 Wow, pretty good troll. You got me for a moment.
@@minh9026 Edo is stronger than alive but nice try.
why are you breathing so loud😂
I would love to get into debating just not too toxic lol
Hey LordKanzo, did you ever get into debating?
Pussies lmao
@@thesilvershota3091 keyboard warrior
This was probably one of ur hardest debate no doubt
I WANT THE BROLY WARS!
Jordy! Congrats on officially scaling to multi Doctoral degree level!
TruthGate Games 💕
3:04, it was at this point that he actually lost the debate. The moment that the fluidity of morality USUALLY enters a debate, it's quite difficult to justify a ''belief'' position. Good job PinPin.
Pinpin with the consistent uploads
I still think Seth one by countering Jordy's points then that actually made it through. Along with the fact Seth didn't even take the negation only a neutral stance. So I don't see why this means Seth lost. These are just my thoughts.
Seth takes initiative but I wouldn't call it full control of the debate.
@Dragunov it really just felt like Seth was responding with questions of his own and the other dude was just answering him. Was kinda wack
@Dragunov seth didn't have a premise really. He just falsified jordys position
seth is.a delusional moron when it comes to philosophy and he would unironically be laughed out of any modern day philosophy class, he's an actual joke. no one girl whos sophisticated in philosophy is an epic le debate bro memer like him and his often toxic community
@@hiimmike500 I don't even understand the last part of your comment, and there isn't even much about seth's philosophy in this video so I don't know why you said what you said
Seth, what you described would be considered Cultural Relativism. The reason this theory is weak is simply that it fails basic logical scrutiny. Cultural Relativism envokes the naturalistic fallacy, this means that it conflates what "is" with what "ought to be". Cultural Relativism also falls short in explaining concepts like moral progress, and it encourages blind acceptance of cultural norms. Your first point was strange as well, if a moral system is not consistent, it is not a system at all. It has nothing to do with it being immoral. Overall I enjoy listening to you engage in dialectic, good on you!
Yep is/ought fallacy
"Give me something"
"Jokes on you I do not have anything that I value or like and am a miserable person"
He said I'm in it to win it That had me rolling laughing
“But I wouldn’t say that hitler would be immoral” I thought this was bouta take an outrageous turn
Lol debate vegan gains
It would be fucking hilarious
wee woo ikr😂😂
lol you can gain good weight with being a vegan 😂
I think Seth would win tbh
The vid was private for like a second
8:47 you said that you only care about the social contract today. If you don’t care about it if it changes, then you are in fact not caring about social contract theory as a whole. You are contradicting yourself because you want to care, and not care at the same time (care, as in if it changes). But then you also do not want to care about being consistent, which is sounds like you don’t care about morals in general. I say this because what is the point for caring about something that can change upon your whims and then you how can justify anything, including rape, because you aren’t consistent in your morals.
Exactly
Why is daddy Seth's voice so deep for a 14 year old
Zack Poser the world may never know
Zack Poser how old do you think he actually is haha?
Zach Posa he isn’t 14 and his voice isn’t that deep
@@slade_saibot342 I'd say he's around 20
BitchChill yeah same tbh
Clean meat (meat that is grown from a lab and only requires a single cell to be extracted from an animal in order to create unlimited supplies of meat) is 100% going to replace the slaughter route in the upcoming years, unless it gets suppressed on some Nikola Tesla level shit, or we all die first. Once that technology fully develops the meat could be grown to be at a quality that is equal if not higher than the best meat you can currently buy on the planet. They can grow the meat to be equivalent from eating meat from the healthiest, or most delicious version of that animal that can possibly exist, and produce it for significantly cheaper than animal slaughtering can ever hope to achieve.
To combat Jordy tho, clean meat isn't vegan, it's real meat, just grown in a lab instead on the cow. They're chemically the same exact thing tho. Just like if you made air or water in a lab, it's still air and water. The world isn't going to be vegan, we're going to remain omnivores, we will just stop slaughtering animals for food in 1st World countries, and possibly the majority of countries if it becomes that accessible.
Once again same thing for me I could never debate this I just think meat taste good so I eat it
*I’d be fine just living 25-30 and then I’d be fine going down* seth wants premeditated natural suicide
Sure why not
I like debates like these
*In my defense, meat is tasty*
I'm pescatarian and I respect that argument more than anything else
Ddok hilarious 🤣
Lol
Based on that you are appealing to sensual pleasures being more justifiable than morality so on your logic you'd be fine if someone sodomized you😅 you should definitely be careful with what you say on this subject it's pretty touchy
@@eternalpassion7347 its likely a joke btw
Do you personally think that society these days has the correct standpoints in terms of intellectuality and morality or do you consider yourself an outlaw to these norms?
Bruh this debate reminded me of MMA or Boxing 💀 when Seth went to piss that British nigga was giving the vegan nigga a pep talk 😂😂
Seth debate vegan gainz on the topic would be interesting
Seth just says yep
do a how strong if GER video
@@glogangglory ?
Lmao the take a piss technique 👌🏾
Man can someone discord me on this debate please. I think this is such a fun and productive topic to talk on and im kinda in the half way point. I don't really care morally wise about eating meat. I do eat free range only as i think factory farming is wrong and inhumane but i dont think eating meat is inheritantly wrong . But the more interesting topic is talking about the logistics of how much better vegetarianism could be. Some would argue veganism but that would be contradictory to a lot of vegans morals when looking long tern i dunno. Unfortunately most of my vegan/vegetarian friends views is "you're evil if you eat meat end of discussion" which as most of us know isn't helpful in this sort of discussion. Its better to show the benefits of one side rather than personally attack someone for their views which is what i have personally encountered so far. I still eat meat based on my views but would spin on a dime if the requirements were met for veganism /vegetarianism to be successful
Veganism is only about the ethics not about logistics or anything else it's about animal rights. Would you want to swap places with a cow who is being sent to slaughter? They are here on earth for their own purposes they are not property and you do not have any right to use them for your own benefit. Free range is just as bad it is still enslavement, torture, abuse, rape and murder. You need to stop supporting these industries with your money.
@@voluntarism335 eating them is a part of nature
Lions, coyotes, eagles, sharks, fish, bears
Do you know what we all have in common? We all eat animals for our own benefit because that’s nature. Most of us don’t kill them for pleasure they’re killed because they’re apart of our diet, hell there are animals who actually do kill them for sport and just leave their carcass. Humans are just smart enough to figure out how to keep a supply of animals so that we can eat.
How is us eating chicken any different from a coyote eating chicken? I’d say we’re way more humane than the animal because we have the decency of given the animal a quick death before we eat them.
You need one more like on this video
Pin pin literally pisses on this debate
I thought he only did power scaling debates.
Why am i hearing seth's voice??
Is seth the programmer involved in this???
@The Wrath of The Avenger 6 months late to say that you let the joke fly over the head.
Ahh so that's the infamous "heavy breathing thing" thank fuck you fixed this
I wonder why Seth thinks you can have inconsistent moral systems that are good. You can literally justify anything in them, which is why people using them end up justifying anything they want to do no matter how immoral they might realize they are.
I believe this is why the debate went in PinPins favor because his opponent didn’t try to push back against this, and PinPin was just allowed to say that this doesn’t fit my moral system.
*breathing intensifies*
I Wanna Debate SETH.
Debate Vegan Gains
Debate vegan gains on veganism
Tei Ling vegan gains would lose
Morals shouldn’t be taken into account with humans who crave pleasure. Our emotions do not supersede our pleasure.
That's how pederacys thinks.
@@mabussubam512 he has Nel as an avi lol he probably is cool with that
Seth V Parrot where is it at THO
Seth has already admitted parrot was better
@@LeoneWorlds cool. I would still want to see a debate between them.
@@LeoneWorlds When did Seth admit this? And do you happen to have a recording of this somewhere?
MOSES CHRIST No parrot came out and said that they have private call debates, it was kinda back and forth Seth had beaten parrot in some topics while parrot has beaten seth in some topics.
@@ryanbrown9833 Interesting. Did Parrot mention what topics he beat Seth on, for starters, and what topics he lost on?
Seeing a recorded debate between them would've been cool.
@Pinpin - Seth, this is weak Debate Issac (Ask yourself) or Richard (Vegan Gains). There's a real challenge for you.😜
It's going to be the same thing. Those guys can't contest Seth's position if he believe it to be a morally neutral act. They can't actually prove the animal holocaust to be wrong/immoral, all they can do is try to appeal to consistency. They have to build the case.
@Ulf ViKings You claimed (in counter to my claim -- [morally neutral]) that they can, so what I am looking for now is a positive argument that PROVES that the animal holocaust is genuinely "wrong/immoral". That's the criteria to fulfil, your burden.
Your example of how they "can" do such a thing is literally the exact same thing that Jordy appealed to in this debate. Testing the consistency of X justification (trying to find contradiction) =/= proving the animal holocaust to be immoral/wrong.
And even if there were a contradiction in one's system it wouldn't therefore follow that it is necessarily immoral or something.
You just failed by repeating the same mistake that Jordy did.
@@TheAster3 Where can I learn this stuff. Like what do I look up on wiki or something. Pretty much I'm small brian. I want a big brain
@@jonathansclassroom8811 research man follow up what they're saying and check its validity this information didn't just find them lol they went out did diligent reading mentally exercising then testing out on others filling in holes where they saw flaws in there stances and evolved to big brains lol I'm laughing but im serious if you see or hear a word or terminology that's confounds you follow up on start at google then work your way up man idk bing search just lay the groundwork
rip seths twitter acc xD
As someone who is almost 30 now your statement depressed me a little lol
Just commit bro. I’m dipping around 28 lol. Join the clan.
Ideally we shouldn’t be treated animals poorly and eating so much meat as it has effects on the environment and our health but a steady and sustainable diet with equal meat and veggies and grains is best and most ideal for human health also most domestic animals have no other value but to be a good food sourced for humans.
because a prime steak smoked then reversed seared to perfection once in a while is great for you especially mentally🤤
Veganism is NOT about your health the environment or any other non relative factor. It is ONLY about morals/ethics and animal rights it has nothing to do about you stop thinking about yourself and start thinking about the VICTIMS. Getting your information from animal industry funded studies is not smart. Meat is not healthy and even if it were it is immoral anyways to buy factory farmed meat as animals like cows get their throats cut open and they suffocate to death just so you can have meat on your plate. You need to stop because you are funding animal abuse and if you continue to do so you are an animal abuser.
Who is faster between Ichigo and Naruto?
@@glogangglory
Not really, its not irrelevant since Pinpin is Seth.
Also, Naruto is FTL, is Ichigo FTL too? Cause if he isn't, then there's no way he's even close in speed to Naruto.
Ryukishi07 'The Creator' theyre both ftl
King Jay naruto dodged a beam that was as fast as light with ease in the war arc and became stronger afterwards so during boruto he's definitely ftl
King Jay
1) whether he has precog or not he aimed directly at his head and naruto didnt begin to dodge until the beam had begun
2)no matter where he went at his its still a ftl feat because he managed to dodge it
3) so who said there wasnt
Jay naruto dodging the light fang produced a speed feat of being 2.17x FTL
Madara and Naruto distance: 409px(1.23m)
Naruto:553px(1.66m)
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The distance between Naruto and Light Fang: 756px(1.44 m)
Naruto:873px(1.66m)
Velocity:299,792,458 m/s
Now for the speed feat.
(Distance the character moved (m))×(Speed of light (m/s))Distance the light was away at the point character started moving (m)=Speed of character (m/s)
1.44m+1.23mX299,792,458 m/s/1.23m=650,768,994.195122 m/s 2.17 SoL
Naruto's casual movement speed: 2.17 SoL
Ok so naruto casually dodging the light fang would be 2.17x Faster than the speed of light
wtf is that jojivlogs
chicken taste yum 😋
Definitely different than you're usual debate Seth, too lax for me to enjoy.
If you're going to debate morals regarding veganism you've already lost. There are better arguments than morals for veganism.
Depends on what “better” means here. You mean more convincing to more people? If so then that’s pretty gray territory …
Jordy won this
Seth is 14??
It’s a joke he is probably 21-25
PINPIN
Animals aren't as important as humans
I agree, but they aren't so unimportant that they shouldn't be treated with respect and ways to minimize the suffering of these animals is reduced to near non existent to non exitent levels arent created. The fact of the matter is in our current state biologically we chemically, physiologically need meat for proper development. We cant onpy consume vegetables and other types of proteins and maintain a baseline healthy existence. Not to say you will die or be extremely malnourished but your health, mental strength, growth and development not only physically but meta physically will be slower or reach a lower peak. The type of protein is irreplaceable at the moment for us. But I do think our diets should consist of more green leafy, fruits vegetables more so than meat. Perhaps a 30 to 70 ratio or something along those lines.
What we should be more concerned about rather than eating certain types of edible nourishing foods is if any of those foods have been tampered with like the majority of food sold in supermarkets and restaurants have been and are being. This is one of the real serious problems plaguing our planet at the moment.
(As for morally if you dont want to buy from and support these flawed company practices then perhaps support local farmers or find the best possible alternative.)
(Also it is not stupid to not want to eat meat for these reasons it is actually commendable and it should no matter what be the goal for our civilization one day no matter how long it takes for us to reach it. To no longer need meat to maintain and also to evolve our minds and improve our health and bodies further with the aid of technology so that meat is no longer needed. But perhaps we cannot rush perfection but try to remain as close to it as possible.)
@@thegoddess1694 kl I agree to that premise but plz don't stawman me
Animal welfare is important
I said humans are more important not that animals aren't.
All I'm saying is that some people treat pets better than some humans
Going of aristotle's on the Soul the more intelligent a creature is the more valuable they should be
Eating meat is a natural source of protein that I am incline to
But I can understand why vegans can't eat meat as they show compassion, and compassion is a sign of intellect that animals can't show towards its prey
I believe that both eating meat or not is moral dependly
Eating meat could be considered unethical as of the lack of empathy shown
Some could argue eating meat is human instinct
Then others argue that is primative and shows a lack of civil and evolved thought
Cultured meat could be a good alternative however many could argue it is prosthetic and unnatural
Not eating meat means you will probably attain less protein than a no meat eater
Conclusion there litteraly is no right or wrong answer
@@KingBullet123 well there may be a right answer we simply do not have all the information.
As for me strawman you, I wasnt. I was simply saying they shouldnt be as unimportant as to be rendered to a degraded state. That degraded state is still above a potential worse fate that of which I did not state therefore, I wasnt creating a bipolar or dualistic perspective to what you said. Simply acknowledging the fact that what you said was vague and needed clarification so I clarified it. Its all percentages really.
As for the right and wrong thing. There is always a right and wrong. If one thing we do can be considered right or wrong then everything should be able to have the same reasoning applied.
If one thing in a reality cannot be determined right or wrong or whatever you think that is then nothing can and we might as well do anything always, no matter what.
You see it becomes very senseless once you get into the details of such a claim such as it doesnt matter. Because all we are ever trying to do is make sense of ourselves and our actions and thoughts. That in and of itself is proof that we are concerned with and or are incapable of behaving in a way where nothing matters and we do things for what amounts to no reason or random untelated reasons.
Because we strive for sensibility and connection, and reasons and because the reality reflects such there is objectively a right way to everything.
Now all we need to do is figure out what that is. As for veganism. I am still supporting the idea that more vegetables is superior to a diet with a predominance of meat or other types of food. The reason being that many vegetables and leafy foods are good for the human body to ingest in that they can heal and cure diseases though even by today's standards as incurable.
Diet is that crucial. Also samon is a very good meat to ingest compared to say chicken or beef. Even though we should be able to eat anything obviously in the right dosage relatively speaking if you want peak performance and dont want to limit your mental processing and your ability to perceive things that many times aren't clearly definable to are known senses.
Samon is better than those meats. For various reasons. But whay I meant by we need the right information is that, the human body can take a profound amount of punishment before anything serious occurs. Because of this we could be living years of our lives in a state of legit suffering without knowing it, but have become so acclimated to it, addicted to it that we continue and are content with low yield from it.
The moment we step out of that our perspective shifts drastically. Now what information can shift this argument. Well water. They say we need 8 cups of water a day or some ridiculous number, which is false. The human body does not need that much water a day.
In fact Id go as far as to say drinking water every day isnt even good for the human body if you want peak human function. They say you will die if you don't drink water for three days. Even end up in hospital by day 2 But this is simply untrue. I am currently on day two and am completely unphased and actually feel jacked in, less hungry, and more energy.
All im trying to say is, we need to be careful before we make absolute claims without a sufficient amount of evidence to support them. This would also mean you yourself would have to try the vegan diet for you to truly understand the benefits because otherwise you will be taking others peoples words and experiences as cannon so to speak. And though those are important, and science community is important they have a tendency to lie and protect special interest groups. So its probably best you at least get contrary information though this can be sometimes difficult to find.
@@thegoddess1694
To clear this up I'm not a vegan because of my weakness to resist meat.
So relatively speaking in a vegan future many people would look back on us like we were savages.
This would go into themes of moral relativism, nihilism and Absurdism etc.
I don't really want write an essay so I won't go into it too much.
If you want debate the topic of importantance and meaning on discord I don't mind.
There is no right and wrong since they are constructs. My value of humanity is morality relative to the perspective of organisms. We have higher conscience than animals and plants. They are our lessers explained by aristotle's on the Soul to a degree.
It not the same as being handicapped since we require them in society to value our Humanitarian and moralistic system. Without this lack of compassion we would degrade our other values too.
I'm not saying let's kill all the animals, but more so don't use them as a source of protein. Leave them alone animals are important but we take priority. Because we don't have infinite time and resources.
Because they require resources and space to farm that Could be used for humans. It is inefficient and humans currently are the most efficient evolution of an organism so we take priority.
Efficient in survival, sustaining and multiplying of course. Better resource of foods and energy maybe insects, plants, fish, eggs and a very few animals for renewable sources.
Our actual existence is irrelevant and meaningless but we have to live with that and have a self realisation that we are an anomaly within an infinite fractal universe/reality. So I take note of camus' philosophy on absurdism and just continue to exist normally.
Airock the Great I’m comparing humans to other animals
Debate Vegan Gains! You won't no balls.
Actually I'm pretty sure he already did that
Time Patroller he didn't directly debate him. It was a group thing. I want vegan Gains to debate SETHTHEPROGRAMMER on veganism 1 on 1
Shrek
Lord vader pin pin ftw
Seth breathes so fucking loud
Seth lost bad ngl
How?
🤡
Bla bla bla
Seth you make very bad arguments "my morals are based on the American social contract" what is cultural does not mean it's moral have you seen Saudi Arabia?
Seth breathes a lot💀 fuckin ningen
this guy auto concedes veganism isnt even just not eating meat what an idiot
Seth intellectually dominating another low level debater tsk tsk tsk
Isn’t Jordy like a philosophy major
Yes
Seth himself admitted that Jordy is very high tier, wtf
Debate Vegan Gains