I've learned a lot from USBC Bowling Academy videos, but this one is not a learning video, it's just coaches venting because they are not able to meet student expectations (which I'm sure can sometimes be unrealistic). But it's never too late to learn. I didn't start bowling until after I retired and after much struggle and practice I finally am able to get some decent rotation on the ball, even if consistency still eludes me. If you are experimenting with different releases to get more rotation, don't forget that stability at the foul line will do a lot to give you more leverage. Don't give up.
I have to agree with some of the commenters here. Two years ago my average was 160 in senior league. Now, because of a lot of practice , learning new release, increasing my speed from 13.45 to 15.98, my average is 190. You can do anything if you set your mind to it.
So the answer to How to Increase Bowling Ball Rev Rate is to build a time machine, go back to age 6, pay Rod Ross to train me, then jump back to now. Am I close?
I never had someone teach me to properly throw a bowling ball but I have bowled my entire life I am a 180 average and just realized a short time ago I do not release the ball properly at all. At the age 35 and being the perfectionist I am I took it upon myself to learn the proper release, all I can say is it has taken a lot of work and adjustment but the difference in my consistency is nothing short of amazing. My revs have shot up drastically. I absolutely understand the age expressions in this video but its never too late to learn something new and improve, I'm a perfect example of this, granted throwing the ball properly changes everything but do not let this discourage you from trying something new at any age.
Very good point. I just joined a leauge early this year (2022) after only playing casualty on and off for years. I've improved my release, target accuracy, approach, etc, all through practice and excellent UA-cam channels. I am actually starting to see errors in my leauge team members play, but if you are willing and able to try new things, you can improve your game. Go bowl !
these two coaches are spot on. in their analysis. A tiny percentage of people can actually do the work and have the ability to change their natural motion. everybody else needs to be realistic in their aspirations and improve the consistency of our natural solution. and it is certainly possible to nominally increase your rev rate with a very stable, established wrist position all the way through your swing, as opposed to four different things happening simultaneously at the bottom of your swing. good luck with that.
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Hey, let’s show some respect here. Thanks for emphasizing the relaxed grip, cause my thumb gets stuck every time I try to change the way I hold the ball. Especially when trying to change my axis of rotation. I seem to do better when I keep my wrist straight and hand relaxed, just as you say. The slow-mo videos are helpful, too. (Ok, I was never that athletic, but can still enjoy the game.)
I just want to know some tips of what to do at my release, like popping the wrist, bending the elbow or other techniques. This video says "want more revs? You're outta luck" thanks for helping me :)))
You can always get better and have more revs. Saying it's "too difficult" or "impossible" is a lazy answer. Just teach people how to stay behind the ball, create the angle of the elbow before release, and the yoyo effect at the release. You can do this step by step over time with practice. So start by keeping the hand behind the ball and having a good roll. Then work on the bend to generate more revs after you have that down. Finally practice putting both together and work on the release point to do the "yoyo" effect. So once you can constantly do this you will be able to repeat it and not think about it. Practice and repetition of these 3 simple things will give you immense improvement on your rev rate. The person just has to want to get better and do it. Just like working on shooting basketballs, throwing a football, getting in shape, etc. Change is different and difficult but not impossible if someone is putting their mind to it.
I'm 51 and I've been bowling for about 6 years and I've gone from 0 revs to about 225 just on my with a pretty decent hook I might add, so don't tell me what you think I can't do just show me what I should do. Last part of the video was actually useful, thank you for that.
so nothing to do with cupping, acceleration, follow through, finger pressure? just give up then? i learned to rev in my twenties and am about a 450 rev bowler. that really didn't take long as i got proper help and advice not go back and learn as a child
I just started bowling a little bit over a year ago since August of 2018. Im 20 years old and always kept changing my style to make it a footprint in my head and now its set in stone for life basically. but ive also been training 2 handed here and there and training with thumb. My standard throw is 16.4-17.6 mph, at around 500-550 rpm's throwing a 16 lbs ball, with 2 finger 1 hand. Yea i do use quite a bit of energy, i do sweat a bit but not dripping of sweat or to exhausted. I can bowl 12 games back to back without getting exhausted with some water
I've learned how to bowl right handed and left handed or ambidextrous at age 29 years old and I'm in my late 30 ties. I'm able to play deep inside angle, mid-lane and outside Lane for both left hand and right hand. It requires a lot of patience, practice and experimenting. I can play stroker to cranker both left and right hand. The more you practice the more you gain experience from lots of practice. To have that versatility need to play different angle so you become more comfortable playing different angles. The versatility is about "control" ball speed and rev rate. In order to play from stroker to cranker.
I didn't start bowling until I was 47 years old and my rev rate is 370-425 RPM. It's a matter of a good strong lift during release all the way to follow-through. I always use a wrist support, BTW.
As I've gotten older I've heard this kind of crap time and time again. I started bowling 6 weeks ago at age 59. Didn't know how to throw a curve, approach, slide release, or hold the ball properly. My first week or two I was throwing 80s and 90s. Sucked. Then I watched a bunch of videos, talked to the best bowlers in the house, and practiced. 6 weeks later I'm throwing a hook with the best, although not quite the rotation speed(I'm getting there.) My average is now 180, give or take on any given day. I break 200 regularly. Some days I'm in the 190s, some in the 170s, but getting better every week. I just bowled a game with 6 straight strikes, old school (medium speed, medium rotation). I can hook a plastic 12lb Brunswick almost as good as my Brute Strength. I'm sick of hearing this CRAP. Stop putting older people down and pumping up the children like they are somehow gifted. Bowling is a SKILL thing, not an age thing and you 'Pros' should know better. You should be promoting the sport as a whole, instead of telling older people to just sit down because you'll never learn to be as good as some child. Bunk!!
I know, it's almost infuriating hearing this BS from these self-proclaimed "pros". To think at one point I actually believed what these people were saying! I came back to this and decided to scroll through the comments to see what other people thought of this and there are so many stories just like yours. That's not a bad thing and I'm not calling you "unoriginal" or something like that, it just proves my point of how little these people know what they're talking about. How about instead of the verbal equivalent of spitting on at least 60-70% of bowlers they could try and be positive and say something like "this might not get you up to 500 rpm from 200, and you should get coaching if you want to get to that level, but here are some actual tips on how to get 50-100 extra rpm!" They're treating it like you can only be good if you're a kid and the second you turn 18 you're swept aside for the next generation. That's not how to keep an audience. Perhaps these so-called "pros" could use a lesson on actual bowling.
This is such crap. So what you are saying is that if I didn't attend USBC academy between age 8 and 16 then I am physically unable to learn how to rev the ball? Is the body somehow unable to develop muscle memory and build strength after age 13 for girls and age 16 for boys? What about giving you money enables my teenage self to "learn how to rev"?
dhongjing521 I think they are proposing that its better to learn it in a young age to have a playing style from the on and forward, like a sport or language. They are just promoting early education that brings in more money spent... on a child Of course it can be done later, no doubt, I learned to rev without instruction without having to pick up a ball for many years, and then it was a straight suitcase thrown, years later pick one up and I can rev, and I watched and studied enough movement to make my own proper throw, I actually can do it with the conventional holes in a house ball
dhongjing521 This is completely missing the point. Him saying the optimal time to learn how to create speed and revs does not mean it can't be achieved later in life. The most important thing he said was how people try to recreate their mechanics rather than tweeking ones' natural form to create the most efficiency possible. As someone who has been bowling for a long time, I can say rev rate isn't that important. I've seen people with high rev rates who can't make a spare or don't have enough ball speed to create any consistency. If you wanna learn how to become a better bowler, the best way is to learn how to make equitable use your practice time.
LuchoVena I am with ya. Better is a relative term. I started bowling when I was 22 and knew nothing about the game. Within a few months I was bowling 200+ games consistently with good speed and rev. Bowling is no different than anything else. You get out what you put in and perfect practice makes perfect.
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There may be some time frames in life when muscle development is best and such, but I just started bowling last year at 33 and by working on timing, wrist cup, elbow bend, etc., I’ve been able to dramatically increase my rev rate and it keeps going up as I get better. Am I EJ Tacket? No, but I can manipulate the amount of revs and angles I put on the ball quite a bit and consistently with no coaching ever. This video is like saying a golfer can’t put spin on a golf ball after a certain age, which is entirely false. It’s all about proper mechanics and changing those mechanics based on the type of shot you need.
I know both Rod and Kim. Rod owned a pro shop, was a THB, and was looking for a way to make money. He came up with the whole USA Coaching program. I also know the people who taught him how to bowl. Kim is a great person and a great bowler. She has a ton of knowledge about the game and really knows how to teach. Of the two, I would listen to Kim every time. And everyone should pay attention to what was said in the video, Kim did say what was the most important thing in developing RPM...
I feel like that's almost a cop-out to not train someone how to generate more revs. But I do agree that as one gets older, and more set in a certain style, it becomes a lot harder to teach. I also agree that learning this can be detrimental, even ruinous, to one's game. It can be taught later on in life. The difference is, it can take months, or years, to incorporate the change into your game and make it instinct; because if it's not, you'll revert to your old ways under pressure. Yes, relaxed muscles move freer and faster, which is one key to generating power. But to RELEASE indicates that your muscles are in another state, specifically tension, prior to release. So I think firm but not muscled is a better way to describe the muscles of the wrist prior to release. Bob Benoit started out throwing relatively straight on tour. He couldn't compete with the power players so he went home to train himself how to generate more revs. He strengthened his fingers, wrist, and forearm, and learned how to cup the ball. He came back and became a champion on tour and bowled 300 on TV. I think it's all individual, and the training method has to tailor the individual based on his skills, physical abilities, and dedication.
To increase rev rate, have a good fit with a relax grip and roll the ball free and cleanly to target. Don't break the wrist over top of ball. Keep fingers under equator. Thumb first. If possible, get down on it. Bend your knees. Axis tilt and hand rotation (amounts) are equal contributors to increasing rates. True the jumps may not be significant because of set skills. But with knowledge and experimentations, one may increase the skill levels within one's on domain.
@Marco Deo : There's a few points I've over looked. A professional trainer, plenty of practice , prayer, etc. Lol. But if you hold "The Key" please, unlock the door. Trying to get in the room as well.
Funny I've picked up bowling recently and just got my first ball. I'm 41 and have been running into these elitist bowling snobs lately online and at a pro shop. I grew up playing baseball and hockey. I've already improved quite a bit on my own and from some help from a good pro shop pro. It's just practice like anything else. You can always improve and its never too late to get better! Bollocks to any "coach" who tells you its too late or says "it won't happen for you even though I don't know you."
One thing that can help is to keep your fingers on the inside of the ball on the backswing and then turn at the release with the fingers at around 4:00 PM.
If you want to get more revs, check out Ron Clifton's website. A big key to gaining rpms for any bowler is timing, wrist position, and keeping a loose grip on the bowling ball. I was able to learn these things, and I didn't seriously start bowling until I was almost 30
Here is one answer to that can be your truth: Just take out the thump out of the ball, there you have the revs. If you want a lot of speed too use two hands ;) If you don't like it continue to use your thump, you have nothing to lose and for some it's way more fun, like for me and many others #2hands
you have given proof that 2 handed bowling gives you an advantage. just as corked bats and steroids are an advantage and just as using 2 hands in shot put is an advantage. so is using 2 hands in bowling #ban2hands
+brent boscia nope i just started throwing 2 handed and before i threw 16.9-17.5 km/h yes i know i threw slow and now with 2 hands i throw 21-22 km/h and my rpm went from 270 to 440+
When I was much younger back in the days when we only had polyester and hard rubber bowling balls, I lost count of the number I went through because I tore the covers off the bowling balls. If I tried to do that just once at my age now, my arm would come out permanently deformed in the shape of a corkscrew!!
The most important thing for me was posture at the point of release. Keep your back straight and bend at your hips and nee. Try to keep the ball close to your left ankle. As long as your hand is in an aggressive position, all you have to do is let it go and you won't believe the amount of revs you'll get.
Who is the guy bowling at the 34 second mark? And what would his style be called, and approximate speed and rev rate? I'm asking bc I bowl EXACTLY like that. My approach is the same, back swing, release, boards on the lane played, speed, ball reaction, etc. The only difference is mine would be like a mirror opposite since I bowl left handed.
Hi Derek. The bowler is former Junior Team USA member Andrew Anderson, his style might be classified as a “power” player based on ball speed and rev rate. He’s very versatile and can change his range in ball speeds 4-5 mph and his rev rate more than 100 rpm’s (high-low). As for more precise measurements his current average ball speed is 18.6 mph (at release) with 460 rpm’s.
Thanks for the reply. I know that defining yourself as a bowler, regarding style, is fairly unimportant. I mostly asked for the benefit of others, who ask me, when they see me play and I never know what to tell them as I focus more on how to play with different ball layouts, lane conditions, and more mechanics in general as opposed to how to label myself.
How do i determine the ideal ball weight for me? I use 14lbs as advised by a fellow bowler but i find it a bit heavy and having a hard time throwing it correctly. Im 5ft 10.5inches height and weighs 150lbs. Im not that physically well-built, and im 52 years old
Nathan de la Paz - It depends on how long you have been bowling. If you are new keep it at 14 - 15lbs and your body will adapt over time, unless you have some sort of disability hindering you. Not only will you become physically stronger, but your technique will increase as well, which will make it easier for you to throw heavier balls. If you are new, "muscling" the ball is most likely wearing you out. It is a common newbie mistake, so try to relax and learn the game. If you are experienced and still having trouble, lower the weight to 13lbs and give it go, but lowering the weight as a newbie might hinder your ability to learn proper technique. There are no shortcuts bud.
Hi,There are several methods to determine the proper ball weight some of which are: -Approximately 10% of body weight -Ball sling test -Palm test With the information you provided the 10% body weight system suggests 15lbs but 14lbs can provide comparable performance and reliability. Look for the proper ball weight to be comfortable to guide toward target during the approach and not be cumbersome to control. Here is a link to a video from the Bowling Academy that suggest options for choosing the proper ball weight. “What Bowling Ball Weight Should I Use?” www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/what-bowling-ball-weight-should-i-use-007636/ (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/what-bowling-ball-weight-should-i-use-007636/) Thanks for continuing with the Bowling Academy, Stephen Padilla
These pros normally have good tips. But I think they missed it. I never had good revs til this year, and now have revs, just from proper mechanics, at 64.
Crap bowled stroke in 1980's & 1990's with a decent 2nd arrow hook on wood with a 180 average. Came back in 2018 without bowling and found technology has changed and reactive balls are the thing. Age is no barrier to change, in fact @ 52 years of age I am far less resistant to changes
BS video. Plain and simple. Not even sure why they would release something like this. Simply put, you can learn to increase your rev rate ANYTIME and at ANY AGE. Granted, you might not be throwing a rev rate akin to the likes of Sean Rash or Maximum Bob, but you CAN increase your revs, nontheless.
Maybe you should watch the video again and turn your speakers on this time. They stated you can increase your rev rate, but you're not going to go from 200 to 400 with any kind of consistency.
Last week i bowled 7 out of 10 games over 200. I have very little hook. Im trying to get more, but its hard because all the advice ive gotten is about how you roll it off your finger tips. which would explain why i have no hook because i dont even do that. trying to do it hurts, but i probably try too hard. Either way, you dont need a ton of hook to hit high scores regularly. Just actually try to pick up spares. pick up every spare, every game if you can. just check the scores. a few strikes and all spares, even miss a spare or two, you'll still be pushing 170-190. I dont think im great at bowling. When i miss a spare, it upsets me, not because of my average, but because of the fact that i feel like a gimp for missing that. its similiar to throwing a baseball way off course from the catcher... like... cmon
Hello. The Bowling Academy has several videos to help with learning to hook a bowling ball. Here are links so some of those videos.Bowling Release Point: Proper Hand Position | Bowling Video (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/hand-position-at-the-bowling-release-point-005873/)Bowling Approach Steps For A Proper Release | USBC (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/proper-bowling-approach-steps-009284/)Proper Bowling Ball Release Using Speed Control - USBC (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/ball-release-and-speed-control-005604/)How to Find Your Proper Bowling Shoulder Rotation | USBC (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/how-to-find-your-proper-bowling-shoulder-rotation-009342/)Tips for Proper Bowling Grip | USBC Bowling Academy (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/proper-bowling-grip-013736/)Perfecting The Bowling Release: Thumb Positioning - USBC (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/the-bowling-release-thumb-positioning-005834/)Thanks for continuing with the Bowling Academy.
One key is getting rid of the chicken wing. Get farther under the ball. Getting great revs is letting the ball fall off of the palm of the hand as you swing through it.
Work out more and get a little stronger and you can easily develop a stronger game. In high school our coach had us doing pushups and the squeeze grippers and even at 16+ years old we all developed a stronger game with higher rev rates. Over the past 2 years i've increased my revs by over 15%. This is a terrible video that will discourage people to not pick bowling up and honestly completely false.
Why isnt strength training a statistic being mentioned.. Or weight of ball.. Theirs plenty you can do to increase both rev and speed to a desired amount
Waaah? I'm sorry this is total bs.. Thats like saying if you cant run 22.4 mph you just can NEVER run any faster.. But by using equipment to help improve your running time.. How about I answer the question.. And it's quite simple.. As a rule of thumb, changing the number of revs is an important skill that will allow you to change the amount of skid (length) as well as strength (backend reaction) of your bowling ball. It effects both the amount of skid and the amount of push. I share a method of increasing or decreasing the amount of revolutions (revs) you have on your bowling ball. As a rule of thumb, changing the number of revs is an important skill that will allow you to change the amount of skid (length) as well as strength (backend reaction) of your bowling ball. I bet I have your attention now. First and foremost, as a bowler, you need to have an understanding of how revolutions impacts both skid and push. A skilled bowler knows that several factors will increase the amount of skid. These include both ball speed and revolutions. But, in addition to skid, revs and speed also effects what we call push. Push is the distance that the bowling ball will go past the end of the oil pattern prior to reacting and making a move toward the pocket. So, due to speed and revs, the ball pushes past the end of the pattern a certain distance. More will be further. Less will be shorter. Research conducted at the United States Bowling Congress earlier in the year has shown that increasing revolutions actually has more impact on the amount of push, distance moving past the end of the oil pattern, than ball speed does. As the number of revolutions increases, the amount of push increases along with the strength of the backend reaction. So, changing the amount of revolutions can allow you to control the amount of skid as well as the amount of push. But, beware, as you increase revolutions you will also increase the backend reaction as well as skid and push. Sometimes, the added revolutions can create a ball reaction that is too long and too late causing many splits and difficult spare conversions. Learn this system and use it wisely. To begin with, try this simple way of increasing and decreasing your revolutions. Increasing and decreasing revolutions is as easy as 5-6-7. Literally, the name corresponds with the starting position of the middle finger in the stance. To increase revolutions, you just change the starting position of the middle finger and keep the finish release position the same. For right-handed bowlers, as your middle finger changes position, from 5 to 6 to 7, you will increase the amount of revolutions on your bowling ball. First and foremost, you need to follow-through with the same finish release position. I recommend that you use a 45 degree release primarily. This is where your fingers are in the 4 (middle) and 5 (ring) o’clock position. I refer to this as the 1 o’clock release. If the thumb exits the ball and is extended fully, it will point to 1 o’clock. Imagine looking at a clock about 5 feet in front of you with your shoulder directly in front of 12. One o’clock would be located up and to your right. Literally, as you are releasing the ball imagine your thumb going to 1 o’clock. Now, remember, keep your release the same as you experiment with changing revolutions. You want the same finish to see the effect. For each of the three examples, keep your hand in the starting position in the pushaway. As a rev rule of thumb, always begin with your hand in the 6 o’clock position. Your hand will be directly under the ball. Be sure to keep your index and pinky tight. In other words, do not spread your fingers. This release will provide you with medium revolutions. To increase revolutions, start with your middle finger in the 7 o’clock position. Lefties, you would start in the 5 o’clock position. So, you will turn your hand and wrist so the ball is more on the outside. This position will set you up to achieve more rotation of the hand to the point of release. Thus, this position will increase the amount of revolutions. But, be sure to put your other hand under your wrist to support the weight. To decrease revolutions, start with your middle finger in the 5 o’clock position. For left-handed bowlers, you should start with the middle finger in the 7 o’clock position. Ideally, you won’t rotate your hand and wrist at all. But, like two gears, the actions of your follow-through will cause revolutions. But, it will be less than the other two starting positions. Great bowling is about being able to change to better match-up with the lane condition. It is not always about longer and stronger. Sometimes, earlier and weaker will yield the big numbers. Changing your rev rate can be achieved with this simple 5-6-7 system. But, remember as your rev rate increases, you will also increase both skid and backend reaction. As you decrease your revs, you will decrease skid as well as backend reaction. Use this knowledge wisely and experiment with using speed changes with each of these three starting positions. The more you know the better you will become.
+jdamage68 thanks for your input. it is positive and helpful. I am learning to bowl and have recently tried using 4-5-6 and 7 positions in my stance. revs (and scores) are increasing as I practice more. PS I am OLD - 75 but feel great.
im 34. I cleaned up my game, and went from averaging 115 to averaging 250ish. This isn't gymnastics people...lol, I think if you practice a few times a week and learn to polish your approach, you will be fine. That's what I did and it worked from me...But that's just me...lol
I started bowling @ 32 years of age and I have 475 RPMs one handed and 490 RPMs two handed. To be a good at any sport you need more training than just bowling hit the gym. I'm tired of the out of shape cloud that gloom's over bowling.
Gee thanks the video is about how to increase your rev rate. These guys just said you can't. Thank you very much coach. Get out of coaching now. I can do exactly what you two are do. Hey let's make a video on how to increase ball speed. Ready you can't. Onto the next video. I'm such a great coach.
With todays equipment you do not need a smoking rev rate. I'm 64, bowl 3 games a week, avg 215. I throw a Motiv Jackal Ghost, and trust me when I say that's all that matters.
You don't average 215 due to just the modern equipment. A resin ball is all but useless without the massive amount of oil on the lane to both guide the ball and keep the ball from hooking the instant the ball hit the lane and being dead 20 feet past the foul line. Compared to pre-resin, they've turned league bowling into the equivalent of miniature golf.
This video speaks about training windows for young athletes to develop skills. We at the United States Bowling Congress (USBC) are not equipped to speak on why young pitchers are not allowed to throw curves and breaking balls. The information gathered for this video speaks about speed, agility, and accuracy and doesn’t address your question. We suggest follow up with other sources more specifically related to your question such as USA Baseball who’s contact information is:USA Baseball 1030 Swabia Court, Suite 201 Durham, NC 27703 Phone: 919-474-8721 Fax: 855-420-5910 Email: info@usabaseball.comThanks for continuing with the Bowling Academy.
I can answer that for you. Young baseball pitcher's arms have not developed fully. There is alot of stress put on the arm when you are throwing breaking balls as the arm pronates much more. That stress is not good for any arm, much less a arm that is not fully developed. If you were to look at X-rays and MRI'S of a 10 year old players arm compared to a 20 year old players arm, you would clearly see the difference.
Travis Kibel I know this old but the truth behind what you say is only true when they aren't taught to throw a breaking ball properly. when thrown correctly there is no more stress on the arm than throwing a fastball. the problem is kids and adults alike think you have to twist the arm or wrist. neither is true. sure you can, but it isn't necessary and harmful at all ages. properly gripped and released at the correct wrist angle and physics take over.
it doesn't matter how great of coaches they are they are discouraging older bowlers. and like i said the human body can be taught anything given enough time
I do not mean any disrespect, and I understand your wish to manage expectations, but you spent more time stating we will in essence be unable to increase rev rate ... Making the title a bit misleading. Please give a little more credit for having some common sense out here, as I would anticipate most would not expect to increase from 250 to 450, and are only looking for things to practice to consistently improve.
A bowling 'athlete' will be able to do drills, focus, and put the practice time in to changing their game. A bowling hobbyist won't. Windows of development are blown WAY out of proportion by these coaches. No offense because they seem very knowledgeable in other aspects.
This is absolutely non-sense, im a 200 average bowler age 36 my entire life Ive always come up the back of the ball low rev and decent speed. I decided that I wanted to throw a ball with more revs because in all honesty it looks way better and feels awesome. Its simply a matter of timing once you understand the exact motion of your wrist, arm, and hand. I'm a fairly strong guy but nothing to write home about and I had no issues learning how to gain revs and a lot of them. Don't let these people discourage you, you can learn anything at any age and become good at it. My average is still the same and now that I'm really getting used to the rev game the sky is the limit.
This video is crap. Lol. Just got back into bowling again after stopping for 14 years. Already have my 500 rev rate back... Just takes practice. Being too old is so full of shit
After 20 years of not bowling (1992-2012) I bought a White Dot to rebuild my spare game. I went right back to averaging 210 which was where I was at in 1992. ua-cam.com/video/n2Mc4QRZW3M/v-deo.html A practice session started out just to identify my PAP, turned into a good score. I forgot to measure where the tape was, and by the end of the game, the tape was gone. Guess the ball return ate it.
Jeon1958able i know this is old as hell; would you have any insight on how did it? I’m in the same boat - 2xx RPM hoping to bring it up. I’d love to reach 400’s if possible.
Just a heads up, if you're under 275 revs, you're not winning any tournament lmao the kid throwing 350 revs is gonna destroy you with pin carry and is gonna get a messenger every time he leaves a stone 9
i couldn't disagree with this video more. at age 46, after bowling more than 40 years, and throwing a full roller at one point, i changed my hand position at release and increased my hook by 5 boards, with the same ball speed. how was i able to do that, if i wasn't able to increase my rev rate?
A video on how to ibncrease your rev rate, presented by two people who clearly havn't got a clue how to achieve it. I bet Fred Borden knows how to get your revs up if you need it.
very true mike scroggins is proving you dont have to rev it to be successful alot of people like pdws release and i agree its damn good. maybe i miunderstood what you were saying sorry
what a pile of nonsense, I started bowling in my 30's, been bowling for 3 years now and my rev rate and speed has been increasing steadily, I'm 2 handed bowler and went from 300-400 to 400-500 revs and sped from 15 mph to 19 mph in 3 years. Not saying Im gonna turn pro lol but you can improve at anytime, that's the whole point of bowling, any age group can do it.
Video titled "how to increase bowling ball rev rate" 32 seconds in begins the talk about how you can't increase your rev rate. GJ USBC Bowling Acadamy. JFC
The video did not teach anything regarding rev rate and they are wrong to ever suggest someone can't learn something after a certain age. This is just bogus for any athlete. Videos like this discourage me to listen to anything else these people have to say.
Have to disagree with the "you missed the window,sorry" way of thinking. Sure, everyone is limited by their anatomy and natural skill set. Their may be different ceilings for different people, but anyone can get to their peak through practice and proper form. Dont believe the "you're older so you cant learn to increase revs" - thats an outright lie.
I know this is UA-cam and so it's required that the comments section be full of idiots but c'mon guys. They're not saying you can't learn to increase revs. They're saying don't worry about your revs. Learn to be consistent with whatever is natural for you. Also, if you hang in til the end, they do talk about techniques to increase revs.
I wish I could agree with this, but I cannot. It is never too late to train yourself, and to increase your flexibility if you are willing to put in the work, not just in the bowling alley but in the gym with a good personal trainer. I respectfully disagree with this, as I am living proof that it can be done. You need an instructor with an open mind, not the closed minded stuff I am hearing from these folks. You also need an excellent pro shop operator who really knows the game itself, and takes the time with you to get you properly fitted. it does not happen overnight, and that is what causes most to abandon the process before it really has time to show fruits of your labor. Talk yourself into it. Don't say "baaaahhhhh" like the rest of the sheep, and pay no attention to naysayers like in this video. I personally would abandon any instructor like these two, who tell me its not possible, when I know that it is, if you put your mind and heart into it. .
I don't buy everything that is said in this video with regards to not being able to improve rev. rate and ball speed later in life. There are many things that affect rev. rate and ball speed. You most definitely can improve both by improving on the things that create revs and ball speed. Ball speed alone can be improved simply by throwing a lighter ball or by using a higher backswing. It can be improved by lifting weights to get stronger so your ball feels lighter etc.. If you want more revs. there are various things you can do on that front as well. Two handed bowlers get more revs by bowling with two hands so that they can get more revs. by cranking the ball more etc..
Revs are a matter of technique, period. Throw a ball without your thumb in and see how easy it is to get huge revs. The hand is more under. People need to get the thumb out properly. It is all technique. Speed training at a certain age is complete rubbish.
I've learned a lot from USBC Bowling Academy videos, but this one is not a learning video, it's just coaches venting because they are not able to meet student expectations (which I'm sure can sometimes be unrealistic).
But it's never too late to learn. I didn't start bowling until after I retired and after much struggle and practice I finally am able to get some decent rotation on the ball, even if consistency still eludes me.
If you are experimenting with different releases to get more rotation, don't forget that stability at the foul line will do a lot to give you more leverage. Don't give up.
I have to agree with some of the commenters here. Two years ago my average was 160 in senior league. Now, because of a lot of practice , learning new release, increasing my speed from 13.45 to 15.98, my average is 190. You can do anything if you set your mind to it.
So the answer to How to Increase Bowling Ball Rev Rate is to build a time machine, go back to age 6, pay Rod Ross to train me, then jump back to now. Am I close?
dabobbo ur getting there
dabobbo yes
That's what it sounds like to me lol
dabobbo this video is hilariously depressing
These people really are a joke.. it's face palm emoji 10 seconds.. long live the doink 🏈🤣🤣😲🤔🤦♂️
I never had someone teach me to properly throw a bowling ball but I have bowled my entire life I am a 180 average and just realized a short time ago I do not release the ball properly at all. At the age 35 and being the perfectionist I am I took it upon myself to learn the proper release, all I can say is it has taken a lot of work and adjustment but the difference in my consistency is nothing short of amazing. My revs have shot up drastically. I absolutely understand the age expressions in this video but its never too late to learn something new and improve, I'm a perfect example of this, granted throwing the ball properly changes everything but do not let this discourage you from trying something new at any age.
Very good point. I just joined a leauge early this year (2022) after only playing casualty on and off for years. I've improved my release, target accuracy, approach, etc, all through practice and excellent UA-cam channels. I am actually starting to see errors in my leauge team members play, but if you are willing and able to try new things, you can improve your game. Go bowl !
The best part of this video is telling you about fit and grip pressure.
so loosen up the hand, and below the equator when thumb exits the ball so the fingers stay on the ball longer. got it, thanks.
these two coaches are spot on. in their analysis. A tiny percentage of people can actually do the work and have the ability to change their natural motion. everybody else needs to be realistic in their aspirations and improve the consistency of our natural solution. and it is certainly possible to nominally increase your rev rate with a very stable, established wrist position all the way through your swing, as opposed to four different things happening simultaneously at the bottom of your swing. good luck with that.
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Hey, let’s show some respect here. Thanks for emphasizing the relaxed grip, cause my thumb gets stuck every time I try to change the way I hold the ball. Especially when trying to change my axis of rotation. I seem to do better when I keep my wrist straight and hand relaxed, just as you say. The slow-mo videos are helpful, too. (Ok, I was never that athletic, but can still enjoy the game.)
Should be titled "Why You Can't Increase Rev Rate"
I just want to know some tips of what to do at my release, like popping the wrist, bending the elbow or other techniques. This video says "want more revs? You're outta luck" thanks for helping me :)))
You can always get better and have more revs. Saying it's "too difficult" or "impossible" is a lazy answer. Just teach people how to stay behind the ball, create the angle of the elbow before release, and the yoyo effect at the release. You can do this step by step over time with practice. So start by keeping the hand behind the ball and having a good roll. Then work on the bend to generate more revs after you have that down. Finally practice putting both together and work on the release point to do the "yoyo" effect. So once you can constantly do this you will be able to repeat it and not think about it. Practice and repetition of these 3 simple things will give you immense improvement on your rev rate. The person just has to want to get better and do it. Just like working on shooting basketballs, throwing a football, getting in shape, etc. Change is different and difficult but not impossible if someone is putting their mind to it.
Very well said.
I'm 51 and I've been bowling for about 6 years and I've gone from 0 revs to about 225 just on my with a pretty decent hook I might add, so don't tell me what you think I can't do just show me what I should do. Last part of the video was actually useful, thank you for that.
so nothing to do with cupping, acceleration, follow through, finger pressure? just give up then? i learned to rev in my twenties and am about a 450 rev bowler. that really didn't take long as i got proper help and advice not go back and learn as a child
I just started bowling a little bit over a year ago since August of 2018. Im 20 years old and always kept changing my style to make it a footprint in my head and now its set in stone for life basically. but ive also been training 2 handed here and there and training with thumb. My standard throw is 16.4-17.6 mph, at around 500-550 rpm's throwing a 16 lbs ball, with 2 finger 1 hand. Yea i do use quite a bit of energy, i do sweat a bit but not dripping of sweat or to exhausted. I can bowl 12 games back to back without getting exhausted with some water
I've learned how to bowl right handed and left handed or ambidextrous at age 29 years old and I'm in my late 30 ties. I'm able to play deep inside angle, mid-lane and outside Lane for both left hand and right hand. It requires a lot of patience, practice and experimenting. I can play stroker to cranker both left and right hand. The more you practice the more you gain experience from lots of practice. To have that versatility need to play different angle so you become more comfortable playing different angles. The versatility is about "control" ball speed and rev rate. In order to play from stroker to cranker.
I didn't start bowling until I was 47 years old and my rev rate is 370-425 RPM. It's a matter of a good strong lift during release all the way to follow-through. I always use a wrist support, BTW.
this entire video's message in short: "If you are watching this, then it's too late for you"
As I've gotten older I've heard this kind of crap time and time again. I started bowling 6 weeks ago at age 59. Didn't know how to throw a curve, approach, slide release, or hold the ball properly. My first week or two I was throwing 80s and 90s. Sucked. Then I watched a bunch of videos, talked to the best bowlers in the house, and practiced. 6 weeks later I'm throwing a hook with the best, although not quite the rotation speed(I'm getting there.) My average is now 180, give or take on any given day. I break 200 regularly. Some days I'm in the 190s, some in the 170s, but getting better every week. I just bowled a game with 6 straight strikes, old school (medium speed, medium rotation).
I can hook a plastic 12lb Brunswick almost as good as my Brute Strength. I'm sick of hearing this CRAP. Stop putting older people down and pumping up the children like they are somehow gifted. Bowling is a SKILL thing, not an age thing and you 'Pros' should know better. You should be promoting the sport as a whole, instead of telling older people to just sit down because you'll never learn to be as good as some child. Bunk!!
I know, it's almost infuriating hearing this BS from these self-proclaimed "pros". To think at one point I actually believed what these people were saying! I came back to this and decided to scroll through the comments to see what other people thought of this and there are so many stories just like yours. That's not a bad thing and I'm not calling you "unoriginal" or something like that, it just proves my point of how little these people know what they're talking about. How about instead of the verbal equivalent of spitting on at least 60-70% of bowlers they could try and be positive and say something like "this might not get you up to 500 rpm from 200, and you should get coaching if you want to get to that level, but here are some actual tips on how to get 50-100 extra rpm!" They're treating it like you can only be good if you're a kid and the second you turn 18 you're swept aside for the next generation. That's not how to keep an audience. Perhaps these so-called "pros" could use a lesson on actual bowling.
@@durteedan7836 I'd love to walk in to the academy and challenge their best and whoop them this video is aids
Bullshit.
This is such crap. So what you are saying is that if I didn't attend USBC academy between age 8 and 16 then I am physically unable to learn how to rev the ball? Is the body somehow unable to develop muscle memory and build strength after age 13 for girls and age 16 for boys? What about giving you money enables my teenage self to "learn how to rev"?
dhongjing521 I think they are proposing that its better to learn it in a young age to have a playing style from the on and forward, like a sport or language. They are just promoting early education that brings in more money spent... on a child
Of course it can be done later, no doubt, I learned to rev without instruction without having to pick up a ball for many years, and then it was a straight suitcase thrown, years later pick one up and I can rev, and I watched and studied enough movement to make my own proper throw, I actually can do it with the conventional holes in a house ball
dhongjing521 This is completely missing the point. Him saying the optimal time to learn how to create speed and revs does not mean it can't be achieved later in life. The most important thing he said was how people try to recreate their mechanics rather than tweeking ones' natural form to create the most efficiency possible. As someone who has been bowling for a long time, I can say rev rate isn't that important. I've seen people with high rev rates who can't make a spare or don't have enough ball speed to create any consistency. If you wanna learn how to become a better bowler, the best way is to learn how to make equitable use your practice time.
LuchoVena I am with ya. Better is a relative term. I started bowling when I was 22 and knew nothing about the game. Within a few months I was bowling 200+ games consistently with good speed and rev. Bowling is no different than anything else. You get out what you put in and perfect practice makes perfect.
Excellent show of the various bowling techniques great job.
My brother taught me to role my ball off my hand and bring my hand up to my ear like a cellphone is that good to do?
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There may be some time frames in life when muscle development is best and such, but I just started bowling last year at 33 and by working on timing, wrist cup, elbow bend, etc., I’ve been able to dramatically increase my rev rate and it keeps going up as I get better. Am I EJ Tacket? No, but I can manipulate the amount of revs and angles I put on the ball quite a bit and consistently with no coaching ever. This video is like saying a golfer can’t put spin on a golf ball after a certain age, which is entirely false. It’s all about proper mechanics and changing those mechanics based on the type of shot you need.
I know both Rod and Kim. Rod owned a pro shop, was a THB, and was looking for a way to make money. He came up with the whole USA Coaching program. I also know the people who taught him how to bowl.
Kim is a great person and a great bowler. She has a ton of knowledge about the game and really knows how to teach.
Of the two, I would listen to Kim every time.
And everyone should pay attention to what was said in the video, Kim did say what was the most important thing in developing RPM...
I feel like that's almost a cop-out to not train someone how to generate more revs. But I do agree that as one gets older, and more set in a certain style, it becomes a lot harder to teach. I also agree that learning this can be detrimental, even ruinous, to one's game. It can be taught later on in life. The difference is, it can take months, or years, to incorporate the change into your game and make it instinct; because if it's not, you'll revert to your old ways under pressure. Yes, relaxed muscles move freer and faster, which is one key to generating power. But to RELEASE indicates that your muscles are in another state, specifically tension, prior to release. So I think firm but not muscled is a better way to describe the muscles of the wrist prior to release.
Bob Benoit started out throwing relatively straight on tour. He couldn't compete with the power players so he went home to train himself how to generate more revs. He strengthened his fingers, wrist, and forearm, and learned how to cup the ball. He came back and became a champion on tour and bowled 300 on TV. I think it's all individual, and the training method has to tailor the individual based on his skills, physical abilities, and dedication.
To increase rev rate, have a good fit with a relax grip and roll the ball free and cleanly to target.
Don't break the wrist over top of ball. Keep fingers under equator. Thumb first. If possible, get down on it. Bend your knees. Axis tilt and hand rotation (amounts) are equal contributors to increasing rates. True the jumps may not be significant because of set skills. But with knowledge and experimentations, one may increase the skill levels within one's on domain.
@Marco Deo : There's a few points I've over looked. A professional trainer, plenty of practice , prayer, etc. Lol. But if you hold "The Key" please, unlock the door. Trying to get in the room as well.
Funny I've picked up bowling recently and just got my first ball. I'm 41 and have been running into these elitist bowling snobs lately online and at a pro shop. I grew up playing baseball and hockey. I've already improved quite a bit on my own and from some help from a good pro shop pro. It's just practice like anything else. You can always improve and its never too late to get better! Bollocks to any "coach" who tells you its too late or says "it won't happen for you even though I don't know you."
My revs are right around 500, two handed bowling helps a lot! I actually can't bowl with one hand so that was the best option for me!
One thing that can help is to keep your fingers on the inside of the ball on the backswing and then turn at the release with the fingers at around 4:00 PM.
If you want to get more revs, check out Ron Clifton's website. A big key to gaining rpms for any bowler is timing, wrist position, and keeping a loose grip on the bowling ball. I was able to learn these things, and I didn't seriously start bowling until I was almost 30
Here is one answer to that can be your truth:
Just take out the thump out of the ball, there you have the revs. If you want a lot of speed too use two hands ;)
If you don't like it continue to use your thump, you have nothing to lose and for some it's way more fun, like for me and many others #2hands
+brent boscia that is a little bit harsh.
you have given proof that 2 handed bowling gives you an advantage. just as corked bats and steroids are an advantage and just as using 2 hands in shot put is an advantage. so is using 2 hands in bowling
#ban2hands
Ok. I throw a black widow legend with one hand and do completely fine
+brent boscia nope i just started throwing 2 handed and before i threw 16.9-17.5 km/h yes i know i threw slow and now with 2 hands i throw 21-22 km/h and my rpm went from 270 to 440+
Jere Turunen more proof
#ban2hands
When I was much younger back in the days when we only had polyester and hard rubber bowling balls, I lost count of the number I went through because I tore the covers off the bowling balls. If I tried to do that just once at my age now, my arm would come out permanently deformed in the shape of a corkscrew!!
The most important thing for me was posture at the point of release. Keep your back straight and bend at your hips and nee. Try to keep the ball close to your left ankle. As long as your hand is in an aggressive position, all you have to do is let it go and you won't believe the amount of revs you'll get.
Who is the guy bowling at the 34 second mark? And what would his style be called, and approximate speed and rev rate?
I'm asking bc I bowl EXACTLY like that. My approach is the same, back swing, release, boards on the lane played, speed, ball reaction, etc. The only difference is mine would be like a mirror opposite since I bowl left handed.
Hi Derek. The bowler is former Junior Team USA member Andrew Anderson, his style might be classified as a “power” player based on ball speed and rev rate. He’s very versatile and can change his range in ball speeds 4-5 mph and his rev rate more than 100 rpm’s (high-low). As for more precise measurements his current average ball speed is 18.6 mph (at release) with 460 rpm’s.
Thanks for the reply. I know that defining yourself as a bowler, regarding style, is fairly unimportant. I mostly asked for the benefit of others, who ask me, when they see me play and I never know what to tell them as I focus more on how to play with different ball layouts, lane conditions, and more mechanics in general as opposed to how to label myself.
How do i determine the ideal ball weight for me? I use 14lbs as advised by a fellow bowler but i find it a bit heavy and having a hard time throwing it correctly. Im 5ft 10.5inches height and weighs 150lbs. Im not that physically well-built, and im 52 years old
Nathan de la Paz - It depends on how long you have been bowling. If you are new keep it at 14 - 15lbs and your body will adapt over time, unless you have some sort of disability hindering you. Not only will you become physically stronger, but your technique will increase as well, which will make it easier for you to throw heavier balls. If you are new, "muscling" the ball is most likely wearing you out. It is a common newbie mistake, so try to relax and learn the game. If you are experienced and still having trouble, lower the weight to 13lbs and give it go, but lowering the weight as a newbie might hinder your ability to learn proper technique. There are no shortcuts bud.
Hi,There are several methods to determine the proper ball weight some of which are:
-Approximately 10% of body weight
-Ball sling test
-Palm test
With the information you provided the 10% body weight
system suggests 15lbs but 14lbs can provide comparable performance and
reliability. Look for the proper ball weight to be comfortable to guide
toward target during the approach and not be cumbersome to control.
Here is a link to a video from the Bowling Academy that suggest options for choosing the proper ball weight. “What Bowling Ball Weight Should I Use?” www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/what-bowling-ball-weight-should-i-use-007636/ (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/what-bowling-ball-weight-should-i-use-007636/)
Thanks for continuing with the Bowling Academy,
Stephen Padilla
These pros normally have good tips. But I think they missed it. I never had good revs til this year, and now have revs, just from proper mechanics, at 64.
3:43 - 6:04 is the only semi useful information on how to increase ball rev rate.
Crap bowled stroke in 1980's & 1990's with a decent 2nd arrow hook on wood with a 180 average. Came back in 2018 without bowling and found technology has changed and reactive balls are the thing. Age is no barrier to change, in fact @ 52 years of age I am far less resistant to changes
BS video. Plain and simple. Not even sure why they would release something like this.
Simply put, you can learn to increase your rev rate ANYTIME and at ANY AGE. Granted, you might not be throwing a rev rate akin to the likes of Sean Rash or Maximum Bob, but you CAN increase your revs, nontheless.
Maybe you should watch the video again and turn your speakers on this time. They stated you can increase your rev rate, but you're not going to go from 200 to 400 with any kind of consistency.
Shut up
Last week i bowled 7 out of 10 games over 200. I have very little hook. Im trying to get more, but its hard because all the advice ive gotten is about how you roll it off your finger tips. which would explain why i have no hook because i dont even do that. trying to do it hurts, but i probably try too hard. Either way, you dont need a ton of hook to hit high scores regularly.
Just actually try to pick up spares. pick up every spare, every game if you can. just check the scores. a few strikes and all spares, even miss a spare or two, you'll still be pushing 170-190.
I dont think im great at bowling. When i miss a spare, it upsets me, not because of my average, but because of the fact that i feel like a gimp for missing that. its similiar to throwing a baseball way off course from the catcher... like... cmon
How do u curve the 🎳 ball
Hello. The Bowling Academy has several videos to help with learning to hook a bowling ball. Here are links so some of those videos.Bowling Release Point: Proper Hand Position | Bowling Video (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/hand-position-at-the-bowling-release-point-005873/)Bowling Approach Steps For A Proper Release | USBC (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/proper-bowling-approach-steps-009284/)Proper Bowling Ball Release Using Speed Control - USBC (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/ball-release-and-speed-control-005604/)How to Find Your Proper Bowling Shoulder Rotation | USBC (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/how-to-find-your-proper-bowling-shoulder-rotation-009342/)Tips for Proper Bowling Grip | USBC Bowling Academy (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/proper-bowling-grip-013736/)Perfecting The Bowling Release: Thumb Positioning - USBC (www.usbcbowlingacademy.com/video/the-bowling-release-thumb-positioning-005834/)Thanks for continuing with the Bowling Academy.
One key is getting rid of the chicken wing. Get farther under the ball. Getting great revs is letting the ball fall off of the palm of the hand as you swing through it.
Work out more and get a little stronger and you can easily develop a stronger game.
In high school our coach had us doing pushups and the squeeze grippers and even at 16+ years old we all developed a stronger game with higher rev rates.
Over the past 2 years i've increased my revs by over 15%.
This is a terrible video that will discourage people to not pick bowling up and honestly completely false.
Why isnt strength training a statistic being mentioned.. Or weight of ball.. Theirs plenty you can do to increase both rev and speed to a desired amount
hmm... seems like someone is trying to sell more bowling lessons to kids ages 6-9 and 11-16... bullshit
Ralph Waldo Picklechips duh usbc makes it out that everyone needs a coach every weel
Waaah? I'm sorry this is total bs.. Thats like saying if you cant run 22.4 mph you just can NEVER run any faster.. But by using equipment to help improve your running time.. How about I answer the question.. And it's quite simple..
As a rule of thumb, changing the number of revs is an important skill that will allow you to change the amount of skid (length) as well as strength (backend reaction) of your bowling ball. It effects both the amount of skid and the amount of push.
I share a method of increasing or decreasing the amount of revolutions (revs) you have on your bowling ball. As a rule of thumb, changing the number of revs is an important skill that will allow you to change the amount of skid (length) as well as strength (backend reaction) of your bowling ball. I bet I have your attention now. First and foremost, as a bowler, you need to have an understanding of how revolutions impacts both skid and push. A skilled bowler knows that several factors will increase the amount of skid. These include both ball speed and revolutions. But, in addition to skid, revs and speed also effects what we call push. Push is the distance that the bowling ball will go past the end of the oil pattern prior to reacting and making a move toward the pocket. So, due to speed and revs, the ball pushes past the end of the pattern a certain distance. More will be further. Less will be shorter. Research conducted at the United States Bowling Congress earlier in the year has shown that increasing revolutions actually has more impact on the amount of push, distance moving past the end of the oil pattern, than ball speed does. As the number of revolutions increases, the amount of push increases along with the strength of the backend reaction. So, changing the amount of revolutions can allow you to control the amount of skid as well as the amount of push. But, beware, as you increase revolutions you will also increase the backend reaction as well as skid and push. Sometimes, the added revolutions can create a ball reaction that is too long and too late causing many splits and difficult spare conversions. Learn this system and use it wisely.
To begin with, try this simple way of increasing and decreasing your revolutions. Increasing and decreasing revolutions is as easy as 5-6-7. Literally, the name corresponds with the starting position of the middle finger in the stance. To increase revolutions, you just change the starting position of the middle finger and keep the finish release position the same. For right-handed bowlers, as your middle finger changes position, from 5 to 6 to 7, you will increase the amount of revolutions on your bowling ball.
First and foremost, you need to follow-through with the same finish release position. I recommend that you use a 45 degree release primarily. This is where your fingers are in the 4 (middle) and 5 (ring) o’clock position. I refer to this as the 1 o’clock release. If the thumb exits the ball and is extended fully, it will point to 1 o’clock. Imagine looking at a clock about 5 feet in front of you with your shoulder directly in front of 12. One o’clock would be located up and to your right. Literally, as you are releasing the ball imagine your thumb going to 1 o’clock. Now, remember, keep your release the same as you experiment with changing revolutions. You want the same finish to see the effect. For each of the three examples, keep your hand in the starting position in the pushaway. As a rev rule of thumb, always begin with your hand in the 6 o’clock position. Your hand will be directly under the ball. Be sure to keep your index and pinky tight. In other words, do not spread your fingers. This release will provide you with medium revolutions. To increase revolutions, start with your middle finger in the 7 o’clock position. Lefties, you would start in the 5 o’clock position. So, you will turn your hand and wrist so the ball is more on the outside. This position will set you up to achieve more rotation of the hand to the point of release. Thus, this position will increase the amount of revolutions. But, be sure to put your other hand under your wrist to support the weight. To decrease revolutions, start with your middle finger in the 5 o’clock position. For left-handed bowlers, you should start with the middle finger in the 7 o’clock position. Ideally, you won’t rotate your hand and wrist at all. But, like two gears, the actions of your follow-through will cause revolutions. But, it will be less than the other two starting positions.
Great bowling is about being able to change to better match-up with the lane condition. It is not always about longer and stronger. Sometimes, earlier and weaker will yield the big numbers. Changing your rev rate can be achieved with this simple 5-6-7 system. But, remember as your rev rate increases, you will also increase both skid and backend reaction. As you decrease your revs, you will decrease skid as well as backend reaction. Use this knowledge wisely and experiment with using speed changes with each of these three starting positions. The more you know the better you will become.
OHHHHH is that what there saying? Didn't quite sound like that.. But thanks for clearing it up for me..
+jdamage68 thanks for your input. it is positive and helpful. I am learning to bowl and have recently tried using 4-5-6 and 7 positions in my stance. revs (and scores) are increasing as I practice more. PS I am OLD - 75 but feel great.
When did Belmo devolope his chops?
I believe Belmo grew up in a bowling alley.
Either owned by his parents, or managed by them.
im 34. I cleaned up my game, and went from averaging 115 to averaging 250ish. This isn't gymnastics people...lol, I think if you practice a few times a week and learn to polish your approach, you will be fine. That's what I did and it worked from me...But that's just me...lol
What if I wanted more revs just to enjoy my game more? Oh yeah that’s right have to find a way to make Back to the Future real accordin to this..
I've never seen such an ageist approach in giving advice in my life. "You've missed your window" on being helpful.
Sooooo ... either ya got it or ya don't. Great coaching and instruction.
Swear all this video did was tell u how u can't increase your rev rate wtf?
I started bowling @ 32 years of age and I have 475 RPMs one handed and 490 RPMs two handed. To be a good at any sport you need more training than just bowling hit the gym. I'm tired of the out of shape cloud that gloom's over bowling.
Or my buddy T could just be talented...
+Mike Garcia You know I got no talent. I just like bowling what was it I suffer from again?
+TPV Productions oh...THAT. LMAO!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
+Mike Garcia I suffer from L.O.F.T. lack of freaking talent. But I will still bowl because it's fun as you know what. :)
TPV Productions we need to meet up again soon mang. I'll text you sometime.
Gee thanks the video is about how to increase your rev rate. These guys just said you can't. Thank you very much coach. Get out of coaching now. I can do exactly what you two are do. Hey let's make a video on how to increase ball speed. Ready you can't. Onto the next video. I'm such a great coach.
With todays equipment you do not need a smoking rev rate. I'm 64, bowl 3 games a week, avg 215. I throw a Motiv Jackal Ghost,
and trust me when I say that's all that matters.
You don't average 215 due to just the modern equipment. A resin ball is all but useless without the massive amount of oil on the lane to both guide the ball and keep the ball from hooking the instant the ball hit the lane and being dead 20 feet past the foul line. Compared to pre-resin, they've turned league bowling into the equivalent of miniature golf.
So why are young baseball pitchers not allowed to throw curves and breaking ball because of joint damage then?
This video speaks about training windows for young athletes to develop skills. We at the United States Bowling Congress (USBC) are not equipped to speak on why young pitchers are not allowed to throw curves and breaking balls. The information gathered for this video speaks about speed, agility, and accuracy and doesn’t address your question. We suggest follow up with other sources more specifically related to your question such as USA Baseball who’s contact information is:USA Baseball
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USBC Bowling Academy Well, that's not really an answer is it?
+redwhitentrue This is bowling, not baseball.
I can answer that for you. Young baseball pitcher's arms have not developed fully. There is alot of stress put on the arm when you are throwing breaking balls as the arm pronates much more. That stress is not good for any arm, much less a arm that is not fully developed. If you were to look at X-rays and MRI'S of a 10 year old players arm compared to a 20 year old players arm, you would clearly see the difference.
Travis Kibel I know this old but the truth behind what you say is only true when they aren't taught to throw a breaking ball properly. when thrown correctly there is no more stress on the arm than throwing a fastball. the problem is kids and adults alike think you have to twist the arm or wrist. neither is true. sure you can, but it isn't necessary and harmful at all ages. properly gripped and released at the correct wrist angle and physics take over.
it doesn't matter how great of coaches they are they are discouraging older bowlers. and like i said the human body can be taught anything given enough time
There are absolutely ways to increase rev rate and ball speed.
I do not mean any disrespect, and I understand your wish to manage expectations, but you spent more time stating we will in essence be unable to increase rev rate ... Making the title a bit misleading. Please give a little more credit for having some common sense out here, as I would anticipate most would not expect to increase from 250 to 450, and are only looking for things to practice to consistently improve.
Ok I just calculated my rev rate 14 revs 3 seconds 280
Oh I am 71 and just went to a 15 lb closer from 16 lb IQ
How do you add video to this
I don’t totally agree.
I’m 46 and my speed went from 11.5 mph to now I’m at 14.5 - 15 mph.
I'm sorry I don't live in the USA, but I really feel like its unimportant to say it's useless when you can't enter between ages 8-16.
A bowling 'athlete' will be able to do drills, focus, and put the practice time in to changing their game. A bowling hobbyist won't. Windows of development are blown WAY out of proportion by these coaches. No offense because they seem very knowledgeable in other aspects.
I'm 14 and I just learned to slide (I used to hop) and I its been 4 games since I started sliding and my rev rate and speed is already going up
+brent boscia *are
so if i never learned how to bowl i'll just have a shitty rev rate?
Many of us lost our hearing. We can’t understand you. Please make captioned statements.
I can go to 2 hands a up my rev rate by like 200
This is absolutely non-sense, im a 200 average bowler age 36 my entire life Ive always come up the back of the ball low rev and decent speed. I decided that I wanted to throw a ball with more revs because in all honesty it looks way better and feels awesome. Its simply a matter of timing once you understand the exact motion of your wrist, arm, and hand. I'm a fairly strong guy but nothing to write home about and I had no issues learning how to gain revs and a lot of them. Don't let these people discourage you, you can learn anything at any age and become good at it. My average is still the same and now that I'm really getting used to the rev game the sky is the limit.
Got it. I can not get better. Quit trying. Thanks.
Directly comparing golf, you can dramatically improve your swing with drills. Why not bowling?
This video is crap. Lol. Just got back into bowling again after stopping for 14 years. Already have my 500 rev rate back... Just takes practice. Being too old is so full of shit
Dont waste time watching this video
Short version.... they say you're too old. Dont try
I rev way more at 33 than i did when i was 18
can hook a white dot...done so on oil and shot 300. I need to learn to freakin slow down and walk straight.
After 20 years of not bowling (1992-2012) I bought a White Dot to rebuild my spare game.
I went right back to averaging 210 which was where I was at in 1992.
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A practice session started out just to identify my PAP, turned into a good score.
I forgot to measure where the tape was, and by the end of the game, the tape was gone.
Guess the ball return ate it.
You guys should be ashamed trying to bring done the hopes of people trying to have the high rev game. Anyone can do it if they want
I used to have a rev-rate of around 250. Now I can reach 560. I know what this video said is wrong, because I am a counter-example myself.
Jeon1958able i know this is old as hell; would you have any insight on how did it? I’m in the same boat - 2xx RPM hoping to bring it up. I’d love to reach 400’s if possible.
Bullshit, you can still learn and improve, don't listen to these people who say you cant learn anything unless you are a child.
Just a heads up, if you're under 275 revs, you're not winning any tournament lmao the kid throwing 350 revs is gonna destroy you with pin carry and is gonna get a messenger every time he leaves a stone 9
i couldn't disagree with this video more. at age 46, after bowling more than 40 years, and throwing a full roller at one point, i changed my hand position at release and increased my hook by 5 boards, with the same ball speed. how was i able to do that, if i wasn't able to increase my rev rate?
+Bryan Stortenbecker Simple. You changed your axis of rotation, and your tilt. Rev rate has probably increased a little. Prob
I suppose peolpe you play professional cards in poker tornaments are athletes now too ?
A video on how to ibncrease your rev rate, presented by two people who clearly havn't got a clue how to achieve it. I bet Fred Borden knows how to get your revs up if you need it.
very true mike scroggins is proving you dont have to rev it to be successful alot of people like pdws release and i agree its damn good. maybe i miunderstood what you were saying sorry
Basically, if you have to think about it, you're not doing it right lol.
Simple.. release breafcase style and let the ball work for you. Rev is not all. Develop techniques first
soviet bowling academy seems like 3 revs fair for all...
what a pile of nonsense, I started bowling in my 30's, been bowling for 3 years now and my rev rate and speed has been increasing steadily, I'm 2 handed bowler and went from 300-400 to 400-500 revs and sped from 15 mph to 19 mph in 3 years. Not saying Im gonna turn pro lol but you can improve at anytime, that's the whole point of bowling, any age group can do it.
Well crap I started learning bowling at 41 years old, so I guess I'm done. Not giving up here.
think this might have gotten a little too complicated.
More revs require extra ball speed. Vice versa.
Video titled "how to increase bowling ball rev rate" 32 seconds in begins the talk about how you can't increase your rev rate. GJ USBC Bowling Acadamy. JFC
The video did not teach anything regarding rev rate and they are wrong to ever suggest someone can't learn something after a certain age. This is just bogus for any athlete. Videos like this discourage me to listen to anything else these people have to say.
Have to disagree with the "you missed the window,sorry" way of thinking. Sure, everyone is limited by their anatomy and natural skill set. Their may be different ceilings for different people, but anyone can get to their peak through practice and proper form. Dont believe the "you're older so you cant learn to increase revs" - thats an outright lie.
I know this is UA-cam and so it's required that the comments section be full of idiots but c'mon guys. They're not saying you can't learn to increase revs. They're saying don't worry about your revs. Learn to be consistent with whatever is natural for you. Also, if you hang in til the end, they do talk about techniques to increase revs.
I wish I could agree with this, but I cannot. It is never too late to train yourself, and to increase your flexibility if you are willing to put in the work, not just in the bowling alley but in the gym with a good personal trainer. I respectfully disagree with this, as I am living proof that it can be done. You need an instructor with an open mind, not the closed minded stuff I am hearing from these folks. You also need an excellent pro shop operator who really knows the game itself, and takes the time with you to get you properly fitted. it does not happen overnight, and that is what causes most to abandon the process before it really has time to show fruits of your labor. Talk yourself into it. Don't say "baaaahhhhh" like the rest of the sheep, and pay no attention to naysayers like in this video. I personally would abandon any instructor like these two, who tell me its not possible, when I know that it is, if you put your mind and heart into it.
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So basically there answer is "We have no idea, but here are some meaningless numbers to point out to ya!"
Not true exactly, I think techniques have changed, it's about being taught the skill correctly
I don't buy everything that is said in this video with regards to not being able to improve rev. rate and ball speed later in life. There are many things that affect rev. rate and ball speed. You most definitely can improve both by improving on the things that create revs and ball speed. Ball speed alone can be improved simply by throwing a lighter ball or by using a higher backswing. It can be improved by lifting weights to get stronger so your ball feels lighter etc.. If you want more revs. there are various things you can do on that front as well. Two handed bowlers get more revs by bowling with two hands so that they can get more revs. by cranking the ball more etc..
Unless you have a time machine. You aren't increasing your rev rate. Just get more accurate
Joe P hmmm I disagree
This video is lies my 55 year old dad increased his rev rate from 300 to 420 in a few months
The tl;dr version of "how to increase your rev rate"...
GFY you can't.
/sarcasm on
Great video!
/sarcasm off
Good god I’m only going 11 🙏
Hey thanks for not helping with rev rate.
Revs are a matter of technique, period. Throw a ball without your thumb in and see how easy it is to get huge revs. The hand is more under. People need to get the thumb out properly. It is all technique. Speed training at a certain age is complete rubbish.