4 Ways To Hook A Bowling Ball (Easy To Hard)
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Bowling is so fascinating. So many nuances and variations. Physics in play.
In a bowling league there's 8 bowlers most are right handed. They burn up the oil pattern. When I start the game Im rolling slow with lots of spin. And by the third game Im bowling with a stiff wrist, strait and much faster.
I started with the suitcase method and did that most of my bowling time. I only got better when I didn't have my dad breathing down my neck. Then, I also got better by watching you and Brad and Kyle's channel. Helped me get under the ball more and learn to go slower. Brought my average from like a 110 or so to a 150 to 160
Similar situation to you except my dad taught me the two finger method while he breathed down my neck. Wait was your comment about bowling??
@pbnsmf yes, was about bowling
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I was a hand shaker for years and it worked pretty well. My game plateaued so I took lessons with a coach. He made some drastic changes in my steps, positioning, angle, how i aimed and posture. It took some time, but the result was we found a much more natural feeling, free swinging, under the ball release style, something that had eluded me for years. Made a huge difference in both confidence, consistency and overall performance. Can't recommend finding a good coach enough.
And how do you find one that happens to live near you?
I joined a Jr league when I was 13 and started like everyone else, with a house ball around 11 lbs. My league had the sweetest elderly coach named Tony. He was like 85 when I started and he spent much of his free time there. He's the one that taught me the traditional thumb in method as that's what he used his whole life. I upgraded my gear, came in multiple days per week for practice after school, and got really good at it. By the time I was 17, I maintained a 200+ average consistently and have never strayed from the traditional thumb in method. 👍🏼
My father taught me the suitcase method I guess he just called it the thumb to your nose method. With the right ball on dry house lanes it works good. Fresh oil there’s not enough spin the ball just sails past the pocket. Guess that’s why my average sucks lol.
The suitcase method has worked for me, and has been the foot note for creating more axis rotation in my experience
Simple, and informative enough to not confuse. Thumbs up.
Finally..I've been waiting for this video with simple & detail explaination..I'm having hard time to learn how to hook..Thanks bro..
Darren, I have a few buddies I've gotten into bowling in the last couple years. This is a great breakdown for them as I've been doing 1 step drills with them to try and get them more comfortable. They are still working with the suitcase, but think this video can breakdown what I'm saying about staying behind the ball. Thanks for the great content as always.
I would argue that the suitcase release will work pretty well on shorter, dryer patterns, which you find in leagues. Oh and wooden lanes. But when you start doing comps, where you have longer patterns and need bigger back ends you need more revs. A suitcase release will easily get you to 180 average though.
I know I’m late to seeing this video but I’ve just been spoke to about this and been told this is my next step to upping my game (mainly when pushing out I break my wrist) very useful and insightful video, thanks for the help and tips
I guess you could say that I started with the suitcase method, I got low revs (less than 150) and i wanted more power. I started looking more into it and learned that most pros have a cup in their elbow in their downswing. This helps you get more under the ball and thus more revs. After around a year and a half or so of practicing this (I went bowling 2x a week), I finally got it down and can shoot 200s very consistently. I now have 400+ rev rate and I throw the ball 17-18mph. I'm also very skinny, so you don't have to be super strong to be able to bowl 1-handed well. It just takes A LOT of practice. I am 16 yo and I started bowling when I was 13.
How did you practice getting your elbow to bend some on the downswing, also do you slide on your approach?
My boyfriend’s dad (he and my boyfriend taught me how to bowl) does the suitcase method and it hasn’t really worked for me consistently but the last method surprisingly has worked amazingly
Very awesome video I am learning to get behind the ball more for sure. I was always taught like turning a door knob hahaha. I need to learn how to always adjust my hand speed
Watching this made me realize just how good of a coach I had in high school. Taught us all the suitcase method year 1, and we progressed to the thumb-in method in the years following. 3 years brought my average from ~110 to ~190
So glad I started with the traditional thumb in route, I screwed up my wrist for the first month doing it but now that I’ve got it down it just feels and looks so smooth
When I started bowling people always said to do the suitcase method and it feels like it's so self sabotaging if you want to get into any kind of skillful play like I wanted to. There's times I've gotten those nasty perfect releases with the wrist lock and all but I started a lot later in my life so yay muscle memory and all that mental elasticity and whatnot.
4:16 I use a Brunswick Twist!!! mine is unique because it’s already in a spin before it hits the lane. I also throw it a little downwards oppose to it being forward. I let my fingers and my other hand to spin it.
Thank you Darren! I shopped at midnight today to get in on your deal! Thanks!
Thx Mr.Darren Tang. No one can tell me how to curve the ball ever, but you are the only one who told me how to curve the ball nice and easy.
I started hooking with the one-hand no thumb method. I am now a two-hander and have plenty of axis rotation. Need to work on my speed control now.
This helped me SO much recently. Ive been bowling for 20 years and have been throwing too fast and not letting my ball react. Taking the time to practise being UNDER the ball and creating that rotation slowly. I cant wait to see my game improve
Handshake (suitcase) method never really worked for me the two finger method has been best for me.
Same here honestly then again I don't really like using my thumb at all when I bowl 😅
Same for me
It’s crazy I learned how to do this with only one finger
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I don’t understand how you can have control with the two finger but more power to you if you can.
Man thank you brother this just brought me back in the gear of bowling fr
please talk about axel tilt in the rev and hooking the ball it would be much appreciated
love the content!!!
Love bowling with no thumb it's easier for me and the hand shake method works too with it, I use a 15 pound bowling ball The DV8 glam I love it
Ive spent over a decade of my life trying to perfect the 4th way. Its by far the best and most satisfying way to throw a breaking ball once you can get some serious power behind it.
It's like you saw me in league last week and knew I needed this video lol
You make it look to easy man. So smooth!
I’m a suit case release person even after 1 year of bowling, and to be honest I am happy where I am
Even though I am limited on rev rate I still have two releases and two speeds to tweak, so that’s 4 things I can do with one ball
I'm gonna guess your average is 163
@@716Adventureswho cares? They said they were happy with where they were at
@tomrogue13 what are you a white knight? Mind ya business. They been bowling only 1 year, if they're above 150 it would be good result
@@716Adventures Yea thereabouts, did have a runner last session and did 183 average
I should try again and maybe average more than 165
That's great. I remember learning to bowl decades ago and was taught to shake hands. I see the shaking hands or suitcase method as the beginning step to stage 4. You really have to build up your grip strength and your forearm muscle to control the ball to get to step 4, and you'll naturally do that while you develop the shaking hands/suitcase method. If you go to the gym or have some dumbbells at home, do a few sets working that wrist and it'll be easier to stay behind the ball.
A good method for conventional 1 hand when I started bowling is cheating a bit by not putting your thumb all the way in. This simulates a no thumb style and creates more revs/hook. Then as you get more comfortable you place your thumb further in.
I've done the same, for me when I I set my thumb all the way in it feels lime I'm not going to let go of the ball so I insert it in loosely
I've done this for about 10 years. It gives me more accuracy compared to when I tried no thumb.
Only been bowling consistently for about a month now and bowled my first 210 using the 2 handed method
I just started throwing a suitcase method. I was originally a bowler where when I was throwing, my hand was going over the ball as in palm down instead of handshake, I got over that, and I started the suitcase method and almost instantly starting throwing well into the 200's. Heck, in a span of 4 games, 3 of them were over 200 and the lowly was a 144 (game was full of nasty splits 4 or 5 tbe) Almost the entire league noticed my change
I don’t know, but the best strike you threw was with the handshake position,!🤙😀
It just happens to also be the only online bowling masterclass
so i started off with the suitcase method and slowly started learning to put more lift into/ get behind it more thanks to my dad and i went from a avg of 150 160 to an 190 i just need to get more spares and place my ball better and i feel i can start averaging 200
Such a helpful video
At 5:45 is the best i ever seen Darren release a bowling ball
Something to note on method 4 is to make sure you hand comes behind the ball and not around the side of it. A lot of people struggle with that
That’s definitely my issue but more often than not if I go up the back my ball ends up very straight with practically no hook at all. Typically up the second arrow and it will kind of stay there.
Yup, that's my problem. My hand naturally wants to go to the side.
Hand coming behind the ball with middle finger more highlighted than the ring finger right and forward-up sweeping motion right?
I don't understand. How can you get left rotation if your hand doesn't go around the side?
@@alexroberts6416pay closer attention to where his hand is on release. If you notice, it's behind the ball, not on the side of it. Keeping your fingers on the inside of the ball (towards your legs) and finishing on the other side. This is what creates your axis rotation. If your ball ends up straight your either doing it wrong or you have way too much speed.
Thank you Darren tang so much for helping me doing that
Looking back at some old video of some of my league games, I guess I was doing the suitcase method, sorta. I only used my fingertips, didn't have a real high backswing and spun the ball as I released it. Always went straight down the lane and would hook at the last second. It worked well enough to get me a few 300s. Balls were just a blue Rhino and a red Hammer.
I started really getting my hand under it when I started engaging my elbow right when my slide foot hits the lane. I was really inconsistent ‘catching’ it at the bottom until I recently figured it out. Not saying figuring this out is the only eureka moment for me converting to the yo yo method, it’s more like layered skills learned over a very long and frustrating road to mediocrity. It takes practice, no shortcutting it. Like Darren said, might as well start two handed, hooking it will be the least of your problems, you more have to focus on getting it up the lane without it picking the 7 off of the rack, but that is a good problem to have lol
For method 2, I consciously maintain pressure on my fore-arm. This prevents a too early release. Then push through the arm, not the hand. Works for me.
Exactly push through with the arm not the hand!
Thanks for the tips, im a 5 pin bowler but im going 10 pin bowling tomorrow and i absolutely suck at it
ITs a Good day when he posts he made me go to league THX
Trying my damndest to graduate from the handshake method. Good on you to say the 1H free swing is the hardest to master. Hate when other house hacks say “jUsT go Up thE bACk of IT”. I would if I could. I didn’t choose the suitcase, the suitcase chose me. 😂
Starting a course in your position was a genius idea.
I do a mix of both the free swing and the handshake
I was a suitcase method player averaging 150 with a Norm Duke style rolling straight down the lane with a small hook into the 1-2 pocket (lefty). Didn’t bowl for decades and decided to get back into bowling. Did the same thing but had an issue with my thumb near the palm. A small ball-like thing started forming and it was painful. Bowler’s thumb maybe? The pain would only go away if I completely stopped using my thumb for bowling and took around 6 months for the ball-like swelling to go away.
Anyways, this forced me to go two finger style ala Daugherty method. Took a year to get good at it, experimenting with different approaches, footwork, and speeds, but now I’m averaging around 200. I find it easier to control than using two handed method.
What's the difference between suitcase and the fourth method? Looks the same
@@newkeepon 1st method is more of u rolling it from the top/side with your fingers which will create small hook while the 4th method is more underneath the ball creating more rev/hook
He recommended two handed! I just went to two handed this year, should have done it years ago!
I can get actually pretty decent hook and sometimes pretty angular with suitcase method. Ideally have been working towards thumb in more hook but having trouble moving left and finding a safe speed to keep it on the lane and not sure where to aim
Two questions...
With two handed, do you orient the ball the same way everytime you hold it? If not, doesn't that affect the "layout" of the ball/ it being pin up or pin down and all the measurements..?
And what the difference between methods 1 and 4? Handshake and free swinging look very similar and i now don't know which I'm doing! Lol
ive been bowling for about 2 years now using the "daugherty" method. I had so many people tell me to either add a hand or put in the thumb, i never listened im now getting to the point where im shooting clean games almost everytime i bowl and im now the highest average in my league holding the high game and series. ANYWAY, what im saying is if YOU like the way you bowl and how it feels, dont change anything from what anyone else says, you have to figure it out on your own and you will find the best possible way to do that thing you are trying to do. Keep bowling brothas
I say this all the time. Find your style and master it. Im just trying to put a little rotation in my throws as i need too
@@Nerdblurt For real. It is much more interesting to see unorthodox bowling styles that are pocket powerhouses.
I learned how to curve the ball just from going casually a few times with family and friends. I just use the house balls as I'm not a pro bowler or have my own ball and I put all 3 fingers in the ball and mine spin a heap. My highest score is also around 240 (can't remember exactly, but its not that good) but its just more fun to bowl like this then to bowl straight I reckon.
I use the 2 finger, no thumb method. I'm not the greatest and i bet my stance etc might be a bit bad but its what I'm practicing and what I'm getting much better with. when i started earlier this year i could barely reach 110 pins, now I've recently hit a PB of 171.
im using the same method and so far i got a PB of 152
not the best but i would say its not bad considering i started a little over a month ago
@@EnidDev Very nice my previous PB was 149 and that took a couple months to get with the same method, yeah im not hitting that high much but my average is slowly climbing
I strive for your release my guy…..smooth lol
Recently was able to master the traditional pro method with thumb in. Working the inside of the ball.
@pompsie_slotss508 no way Darren has fake bots now ☠️☠️☠️
So, I started competing in an amateur bowling competition with 4 friends out of the blue because it seemed like a fun thing to do last august. I am 42 years old and have bowled like 20 times on all kinds of occasions in my entire life prior to joining this competition.
Since the first match I have been using house balls and my average over 5 matches went from 122 to 126. I throw straight ahead, no hooking or anything fancy.
Now after playing those matches I'm convinced I'll never score higher than that bowling the way I do and I am looking for ways to improve my game by mastering hooking with those house balls. Mind you: I'm a bit stubborn and refuse to get my own ball before maximizing my game with de default materials at hand at the bowling center.
I practiced a few times at getting those spares which got me to a few 170-180 games already. So that should hopefully get my scores up some in the next competition match.
Yesterday I practiced with getting the ball to rotate but it just wouldn't hook and despite a nice left rotation the ball just continued in a straight line.
I have been wondering why it wouldn't hook but this video is full of tips to go forward from. Starting with maybe throwing a little less hard, haha.
Thanks for putting these useful videos up!
Honestly if you’re hitting 150+ with the house balls I recommend getting a ball at this point. A low reactive resin ball will get you that exact hook you’re looking for and more consistently too.
Entry level are really not that expensive and even if you’re bowling casually it’s worth getting something that somewhat correlates to your play style.
Darren I use the two fingers! I average 215 I would love to come to get lessons from you heck even just bowl with you.
Thanks for presenting different approaches without making it seem like there is only one correct way to do it. For a long time, I was embarrassed to be around "serious" bowlers with my two-finger, no-thumb technique. I worked really hard to disguise that I wasn't using a thumb, and now I enjoy the look on my buddies' faces when they realize that my ball only has two holes... and I'm averaging 200+.
My fingers are too long so I'm more comfortable using 2 fingers don't ever feel ashamed of your style
I'm a one hand-no thumb bowler, cool to see someone mention it!
Just started playing bowling last year , now I'm addicted to it
thank you darren
I kind of settled into a weird version of two-fingered bowling where I have the tip of my thumb in the thumb hole and palm the ball. I tried two-fingered bowling but I was less accurate. I'm not sure if I would be better off trying to go two-fingered or thumb-in but it's just what's comfortable for me right now.
I naturally started with the Two Finger No Thumb after watching actual bowlers do Thumb in, but it kept hurting my thumbs. Then I switched to Suitcase method after a few years. Now I can do Thumb In with house balls if the thumb is loose enough.
I have a rev matt. Any tips for drills on getting thumb out first?
I just couldn't grasp how to do the handshake method and having the wrist strength to rlly keep the ball
So the two finger method while i do still have a thumb hole and use it... i took to that easily and it felt natural.. so i kept that method lol. Other than sometimes my hands to the right of the ball at the release. Some tweaking and i'll get there to consistency!
Great video Darren
are you gripping the ball all the way through or is it just relaxed the whole time? for 3 fingers
Yes sirrr new video firewe
Darren, you and "Schanen Cannon" should do the Packy 50 Strike Challenge.
The first one is what I did all my life and it worked great. No need to crank the ball over
Is it a good method to start with practicing with method 2 and slowly converting to method 4? Because that is what I am practicing to do right now.
If your ball isnt hooking just try to get it down quicker. Instead of pushing it downlane more first. Idk how to explain this but it helped me alot
I had an average of 185 prior to using spin, I was happy with that!
Speed has always been my problem 😅 always forgetting to slow down😂
I was told 14 mph is the best speed. ??????
I’ve been practicing how to bowl for the last month, I find that I can generate the best throw and hook with the two finger no thumb, but I still try to practice two handed but quite isn’t as good
I’ve modeled my release after the Chris Barnes release I just struggle with getting lower to the ground so I’m often lofting unintentionally.
Have you tried moving your target closer to your feet? Like, if you use the arrows, try using the dots. Just realize this will likely cause your ball to pick up sooner, too.
I started when I was 8 bowling league, my natural release led to me staying up the back until I was releasing it around the side. Covering 10 boards with a White Dot in 1980.
I actually have a lot of fun occasionally throwing straight, especially in "friendly" games
“It’s all about curving the piss out of the ball” couldn’t agree more😂
Great Video
Great video
I just bowl straight even though I have been playing around lately trying to figure out the curve. I bowl about a 200 on a decent day. So, I'm not doing too badly throwing straight
Thanks Darren, I throw one handed no thumb. My problem is too much curve. Not sure how to get my ball speed up as it’s currently 13.5ish and goes Brooklyn a lot. I use a 13lb ball since I have some tendinitis in my shoulder from an injury years back.
The further back you start on the approach, the faster your speed. My feet are at the back dots and I can throw at 18mph, but I can also slow down to 14.5 depending on how far right I am (lefty). There are other things to increase speed, but that's one way.
Yep, what he said. Speed comes from a loose swing (hard to do with no thumb) and the feet. Faster feet= faster speed. It can be done by moving back on the approach, as stated, and by focusing on your push off into your slide. A strong push off will give you more speed.
focus on approach. get lower, bigger steps. whatever to create more speed/power
If speeding up doesn't work with the tips given you could start a few boards to the left and aim a board or 2 right (unless you've already maxed out that option), adjust as necessary.
I just re-watched this video and I have trouble doing these professional/right ways of doing this especially I want to do number four but my friends are trying to tell me to do number one I have trouble getting my arm up what I’m actually performing my swingand keeping it straight after I let go of the ball to complete the motion correctly. When I watch your video, it seems like the suitcase/handshake method is similar to the fourth way, which is the most recommended by you the professional can you please break this down a little bit better yet between those two that way I know what to look for thank you take care keep up with these great videos.
Darrens a cool guy, I’d love to be coached by him, seems very easy to learn from
That shit actually work bro thanks man
Sadly. Haven't bowled in years, but would like to get back into it. I've always been most comfortable with the free swing, thumb-in method myself.
Darren i have been trying so hard to learn the one handed method like you bowl but idk what im doing wrong. I have moments where im really decent and consistent and then I have moments i just cant get the ball off my hand. I used to one hand 2 finger but i cannot do that anymore with my wrist
I use the last method but sometimes I can’t get the ball to hook a lot and then other times it hooks a lot
I'm a two handed no thumb right hander. I bowled straight for ages, but it invited tons of inconsistency (both accuracy and scoring). I tried the old school method of hooking, but I could never nail the timing of getting my thumb out first.
I wanted to do my dad's style (one handed thumbless), but I don't have the strength in my dominant arm to do that on a 15 lb ball. With my current style and 6-8 months of practice, I went from the 130s-140s to the mid/upper 180s.
5:15 I love it when there's fingers in the end.
So where is the half thumb (Detroit) release? 😁I am weird I know but I blame my years of using a house ball and getting my thumb stuck in it. Thus I went to the half thumb - When I got my first ball drilled the PSO told me it was very uncommon but it is called a Detroit (he gave me the reason it was called that but I don't recall).
Nice Vid!
Do u have a video of finding the right ball/weight ??? And figuring a good thumb size for yourself
When in highschool I learned the handshake method. But my coach called it the doornob. Act like your opening a doornob. I never really knew their was other methods. I knew about 2 hands but I didn’t know one hand had other methods.
It's the main difference between thumb in 1 and 3 that 3 has the hand under it more where 1 starts more up and to the side?
I’m trying so hard to stay with the one hand method, I’ve found myself struggling with the release. Just really inconsistent.
Tip I started when I was around age 12 to bawh 19 20 than started with all three holes and now have a really good spin
Great video. Well demonstrated. A+