This is my second non Old Republic video this year alone! Crazy, right? Am I truly becoming 100%StarWars and not 100%KOTOR? Comment down below what content you want to see!
I don't mind either or, I just hope you don't go into Disney Canon because I can't stand it and it's one of the reasons I shut off Eckharts Ladder altogether... Honestly I think you should stick to Old Republic, but not just KOTOR...I would love to see a lengthy video about the Mando wars and everything...
Regarding Disney canon - I'll only really make content on it if it connects to things from KOTOR or the Old Republic to some extent. And reviews of the Major shows/movies/games etc. It's rare for me to find enough real interest in making content directly pertaining to it. Shorts are probably the only time I'd touch the lore.
@@100StarWars that's good to know :) I just can't do Disney...they either removed or fatally changed most of what I always loved about star wars and their version of it is not my universe anymore without all of my favorite characters. Like Mara :(
I'd like to see the ends of the spectrum for the EU timeline ... covering events that occurred in the Dawn of the Jedi comics as well as the Legacy Comics.
Thank you for making the much needed distinction. I am an ardent Luke supporter when it comes to discussions surrounding feats of strength and power scaling, but even I would admit what he did was not what some others describe. Please do more NJO content!
Irl black holes can actually be overwhelmed in some sense; if you try to dump in material faster than roughly the Eddington limit divided by the speed of light squared, the energy released will throw some material back out, and trying to put more in (without being smart about it, anyway) will just result in it being kicked out again.
As a massive legends fan I can’t thank you enough. There are so so many content creators out there that spread false info about legends it’s actually stupid. Thanks for clearing this up for people still getting it wrong.
Thank you! I’ve been saying this for years when I hear content creators say this (though I do think I’ve heard that some people say the black hole thing for a different incident in a book I hadn’t read, Crystal Star maybe?) Anyway I love hearing your perspective on NJO era lore!
I'd love to see you cover the events of Dark Empire, and the return of Emperor Palpatine into various clone bodies, or even a "characters explained" on someone like Cade Skywalker or Darth Krayt.
My favorite of these is when Vader allegedly faced off against seven Jedi Knights and masters simultaneously… leaving out the fact they all bungled up or let Vader kill them. I hate inconsistencies!
Ah, the Purge comic. Love that. And I'm not gonna lie, the people who only heard of the event (and not read it) misinterpreting it feels suiting for the story, especially when it was actually exaggerated in-universe into a slaughter of 50 Jedi in the story's end.
As someone who grew up idolizing Luke -> thank you!! I swear sometimes that SuperShadow never truly disappeared, he and his "power rankings" just dispersed and became the bulk of the modern wars fandom...
One of the bigger feats I remember is when Dorsk 81 pushed a fleet of Star Destroyers from Yavin IV to the edge of the system nearly instantaneously. The effort was so much that it killed him.
I really appreciated the Starkiller video but this is so far from Luke’s greatest feat. True Force Storms are 4D in attack potency and Luke is able to match that level of power with minor amps from Leia in Dark Empire. And Luke obviously goes on to become stronger by the time he fights Abeloth. This feat probably is blown out of proportion but it’s also so insignificant compared to the real ability of high tier Force sensitives that we could accept the black holes as genuine and it wouldn’t affect Luke’s power scaling.
This video was more aimed at people who argue that Luke manipulating black holes is the most powerful thing in Star Wars and was his greatest feat because XYZ Star Wars creator or article told them so. I've seen this specific arguement way too many times and I wanted to address it even though we both know it wasn't his greatest feat at all. I would've put greatest feat in brackets if UA-cam didn't hate symbols in titles lol
I loved this video and appreciate the clarity you brought to the subject I never personallt read this story in particular but I did read later on when Luke was retracing Jacen's steps in his 5 year soujourn and found the Aing-Tii Monks. He learned the Fold Space technique from them, allowing him to teleport objects short distances. He got to this point when he was much older, his son being in his late teens/young adulthood. After watching this I wonder how much of his learning was informed by this incident? Or if he could take what he learned from the Aing-Tii and apply it to the Dova Basin, what would have happened then? Fun questions. Again great video. Please do more. Personally I love Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus so anything on him I would watch.
Amazing and fascinating video my friend!!!!! What I noticed the most was that you were using an animated version of Luke Skywalker which I understand since this takes place post ROTJ but I still would have preferred seeing Mark Hamill since he'll always be Luke Skywalker to me
On a similar topic: how valid is the feat of several of Luke's original Jedi students combining their powers to throw Star Destroyers out of Yavin IV's orbit?
Beyond Shadows is Luke's true best feat that he had achieved. It quite literally made him transcend dimensions and practically everything in existence as far as the Force is concerned
I knew it, I always knew this couldn't be his biggest bestest moment. It was always something more closer to him than any of us realised. Luke's greatest power are his Feet. I mean how else does he Skywalk? I'm sorry..
All things considered this is still pretty impressive. Not black hole impressive but it's still no doubt that Luke's affinity for the force was one of the greatest in the Jedi's history.
The dovin basals are basically organic power management, just like you get in the X-wing and Tie Fighter games. You can use them offensive, by draining the enemy shields, defensively by absorbing enemy fire, or as propulsion. As for the part about Luke being exhausted, there's actually a good explanation, one we see often in Yoda. There's two ways to "use the Force", an active way and a passive way. Actively using Force powers gives you more resistance to their effects as you're used to using them, but blinds you to the Force's currents. Passive use of the Force, like Yoda mostly does, means you get insight, you see into the future, you sense dangers and can plan ahead. Similar to how submarines hunt. When you use active sonar you can detect everything around you, but your signature is heard much further than you can detect things. Passive sonar, on the other hand, lets you listen for your opponents while staying hidden. So that's why Luke was so exhausted, as by then he rarely used the Force actively. Much like we see in Yoda's fight with Dooku and later the Emperor.
What is described in the Jaina passage is the proton torpedo detonating shy of the dovin bassal, and a little bit of the bomb's energy that wasn't consumed reaching it's target. That doesn't equal "completely overwhelming it" as you immediately say afterwards. You're assuming the void had an upper limit to what it could absorb and the torpedo met and exceeded that limit, but instead it's just as reasonable to say that when the torpedo detonated early, and some of the blast simply never touched the event horizon at all and so wasn't consumed. Also obviously Luke's greatest feats were matching Albeloth or withstanding the entire combined Force energy of the Killik colony.
I'm going to be honest as cool as the Black Hole thing was and sounded, I didn't think it was Lukes most impressive feat and you actually adding context to clear things up helped. My favorite feat from Luke in the EU was when he walked over lava while fighting the fire wyrm. P.S. I don't know if I spelled the monsters name right
Who says this is Luke’s greatest feat? I would say harming Abeloth with golden waves of force energy and finishing her off barehanded at the Lake after just beating down Darth Krayt who tried force draining Luke was his best feat. This video is stupid
I don’t know much of the post R.O.T.J, maybe some thing’s like Thrawn Trilogy, something with a yellow blob god thing or something, idk. But Yee I think I heard about Luke controlling a lack void, so now I know thank’s to you that this isn’t like as powerful as an actual black void. Nice to know
Yeah. It literally calls and describes it as a black hole. Are they Supermassive or stellar mass blackholes? No. But, anything, if it can be compressed enough can become a black hole,.. even energy. The later is called a Kugelblitz Blackhole and that is the type projected by the Dovin Basals. And these blackholes weren’t overwhelmed. But rather the Dovin Basals tire after a while. To say that their projected blackholes were overwhelmed is like saying that your shield were overwhelmed. When in actuality, it is the shield generators and it’s power supply that are being overwhelmed and/or drained. What Luke did was wrestled control of the blackhole from one of the bigger Dovin Basals, until it began to tire. And it drained him, since he didn’t at the time understand the mechanics of it. Afterwards he taught the others how to do it. What blackholes do is bend spacetime. And they can’t eat everything in their path, but are limited by its mass. If we some day were to “accidentally” create a tiny one in a lab, it will not suck down the Earth. At best, it would sink to the core without much fanfare. So that one created by a Dovin Basal was able to eat a large vehicle while the ones created by the Dovin Basals on their Coral Skippers weren’t able to do much more than curve the trajectory of starfight blaster bolts and torpedos half the time says something about their scaling. What Luke accomplished at the time was major. But not the most impressive thing that he or even weaker Force Users have done.
@@100StarWars Still, you should check that out. It's awfully contrived, but fascinatingly awesome nonetheless. Oh, and did you make this video because of those recent discoveries about black hole noises?
Not disagreeing, no one can move a black hole in Star Wars without extreme tech like Center point. This is why the Maw exists, it holds Aboloth (forgive my spelling) and there are at least 3 black holes in that region. But this gravity well, it is described as having a Event Horizon a point of no return in a full scale black hole. As you said Luke didn't move a Black Hole but this is a true Singularly, a point in space time where all matter and all energy is in a very small point. So Luke is quite powerful as by nature the Force should have no effect on it if all energy is pulled in. If Luke tried to move a true black hole he would find the force simply feed back and quite possibly kill him due to his connection.
It is always a problem when a term is used to discripe something in behaviour or form and then some readers develop an Dunning-Kruger Syndrome, like the Case when someone is dimissive about science and their only defense is "it's only a theory" and even with no more knowledge than them, you can disproven them with a Dictonary and the definition of the Word "Theory" Same with Black Hole here. Well yes, the ones we know and seen in SciFi or the Real World are MASSIVE and GARGANTUAN or the Mass of Earth in the Size of a Football! But... well, they also can be tiny, very tiny. I mean, back in the Day when they brought the new LHC in Cern online, Nutters claimed that it could create a Black Hole that sucks up Earth! And even ignorig the explanation but if you make a Black Hole light enough, it's not really the matter of Moving it, more finding it or survive the radiation And ah yes: the schoolyard discussion about who is more Powerfull, i think some shoule remind themself two things: 1. it is all made up and often not even consistent and never was 2. what someone can do or not is based on the mood of the writer and whom he want's to win and not some RPG System in the Background, likewise how proficient someone is in the Force. Nobody needs to level up to lift some Rocks, it is even said that the Force Guides People, particular if they listen, one can even build a Lightsaber with that as complete untrained Protagonist of a certain game
you can put real numbers behind things to it. like how much he can push or pull with witch can be used to calculate other things. u can use physics to determine who is stronger. yes its all made up but there's is a lot of fun in calculating there feats. the can most defiantly have stats to it. it may not have been the writers intent. there is canon as well witch has consistency. there proficiency in the force can be determined too. most often it is stated and can easily calculated. there physical attributes can be show as well. you just have to know what to calculate and such. most of the ones there trying to see the better of have plenty of material to grab from and use as data.
@@100StarWars "I have broken the spine of the galaxy… Sometimes, things must be broken in order to be rebuilt. As I have bent the Force to my will, so I will bend the galaxy and it will know order." - Darth Krayt.
Yeah, if this crap is a black hole, then my mask effect character is actually solar system plus because of the warp ability where you shoot a black hole at the enemy 😂
Well what Kyp Duron did with the sun crusher wasn't much more incredible than what Yoda did on Dagobah...the Sun Crusher wasn'tuch bigger than a snub fighter and the sun crusher was very light because the Quantum Crystaline armor was extremely light, and regardless of what people seem to think, was NOT indestructible. It was constructed so therefore it cannot be indestructible and from the way I remembered it, the way to destroy it was easy and simple but very uncommon.....but I don't remember currently what it was because I haven't read that story in a long time. I just remember glossing over it and then about 20 pages later was like......wait a minute and went flying back to it HAHAHAHAA
It wasn't the weight of the Suncrusher that made that feat impressive. It was pulling it out of Yavin Prime's (the biggest Gas Giant in the Star Wars Galaxy) gravitational pull from 100,000's of miles away on Yavin 4. The gravitional pull of Yavin Prime on the Suncrusher must be absurd given the planets's size.
The escape velocity needed to break free from deep within a gas giant for a ships of roughly similar mass is far greater than lifting a ship a half a dozen meters up from the surface of a planet who’s surface gravity is maybe 1g. The destroyed the Sun Crusher sending it straight into one of the blackholes of the Maw blackhole cluster.
@@eds1942 ok and the thrust of a star destroyer can break IT free of that gravity...so to me that makes it much more incredible to hold it still or rip it out of the sky.
Eh only problem is that this apart from the speed of absorption of the ship is EXACTLY how a black hole work. It doesn’t absorb everything thrown at it, hence the accretion disks around them. Sao that it failed to absorb the full impact of a torpedo is how they would act. Nor would it instantly absorb the ship, it could however cause an explosion by tearing apart the ship that caused the destruction of the ship. But Star Wars has never had any realism or physics. This is proven simply by the dumb ass way of combat. They got 3D space to utilise but despite the flaws of MANY bigger ships completely lacking any defence from most angles of possible attack these weaknesses are never exploited. Star destroyers would be destroyed in the hundreds by a small squadron of x wings
Great video, but really thinking that kyp and exar kun feat and starkiller feat is bigger than the one from luke... I dont know man, considering kyp didn't do it alone, so that comparison cant be taken serious since you are comparing a combination of power, againts a single person power, as for starkiller, well he is not moving anything he is just cushion the ship decent, also despite the fact that the mini black hole (as descrived on the book) it doesnt have the same power as a real black hole and a torpedo and laser from the x-wings can alter it. Its still in basis a mini black hole, only not as powerfull but still same as dangerous as the real one. so in terms of single power i still think luke feats is greater than any other.
Dude it was basically an exar kun feat because exar kun unlocked kyp true potential and exar kun add from his raw force power it drained exar kun so much because kyp didn't have enough force energy to fuel exar kun spirit infact the only reason kun lost to spirit luke Skywalker the 12 jedi knight and his master spirit was because exar kun didn't have no energy reserves to pull up a fight against so much light luke Skywalker also had a major raw power boost by being an spirit
Well, I did certainly say it was debatable in the video. :P I mention the Kyp feat simply on the basis of pulling the suncrusher away from the gravitational pull of the biggest gas giant in the Star Wars universe seems a greater achievement to me than a small dovin bassal.
People love to low ball and discredit exar kun because he hasn't appeared in many mediums but kun has estates and quotes from the sources that put kun above vitiate revan nihiluis bane vader and caedus exar kun is only second to emperor papaltine reborn in my eyes
Personally Zhan's Thrawn duology, spector of the past and visions of the future is a great way to end Star Wars. The new republic and empire finally make peace. NJO, dark nest, and LOTF just don't suit me. Plus sooo many good characters are killed off and others given terrible development. Albeit I did enjoy the legacy comics bit it did still feel like the same old shtick of sith vs jedi and a skywalker must save the galaxy from evil.
Good t9 gave c9ntext. It's still super awesome what like does. I do always heat krias words echo in my head "with the force anything us possable". Thus being said I do believe that even moving an actyal black hole is very hard, but can be done by some sort of force god.
Hey man I love your content, your story trlling skills makes these videos really fun to watch. I would love it if you could do more videos about post ROTJ legends stuff. Thank you anyway, may the force be with you
I wish youtubers would more research on those eu star wars characters feats y'all don't know how to escalate and don't understand the source quotes luke Skywalker by empire strike back had the power to humble the death star he grew far more powerful than that in return of the jedi he was star+🌟 he kept growing far more powerful after that in his dark empire era where he also learned everything vader knew and became more powerful than vader when faced exar kun luke Skywalker was 2 times more powerful than his dark empire self luke Skywalker in the eu raw force power grow is very fast luke biggest feat was oneness in the realm of shadow and defeating abeloth
I mean... There's a lot of subjectivity in your statements. Things like comparing a fire cracker to a billion nukes... How would we even come to that conclusion? Gravitional Wells are definitely impressive. More só than pulling ships. Seems like you are deliberately downplaying things.
I mean, I never said that comparison was objective. The only thing I'm truly downplaying it against is the claim it's equivalent to an actual black hole of nature.
Based on this video, and the video analyzing Starkiller and the Star Destroyer, perhaps you can do videos analyzing top tier force feats, or perhaps explaining the misconception of some top tier force feats.
Honestly... the number of overblown stories wrote about both Luke and Palpatine in the EU is staggering. Both of these characters' powers were inflated to a point where they were out of scale with the entire rest of the lore. They come across more like fanfiction than cannon stories/series. Deleting most of the EU book/comic series was the best thing that could have been done from a "health of a setting" standpoint.
So Luke Skywalker became exhausted after trying to contain a tiny black hole but palpatine can easily destroy a thousand battleships easily in his weakened state
Ok! He still handled a man made space anomaly of a black hole! It's is still a feats if power that Luke Skywalker has done and has more feats power and skill he has done in the Expanded universe! People will still hold it up with superman holding a black hole in the palm of his hand! Fact are fact and some stories can be blown out of context. But it's Luke Skywalker a hero that everyone can root for!😔✊
I've sort of viewed Dorsk 81 channeling the Force from his fellows to hurl Admiral Daala's task force out of Yavin 4 orbit as the height of an individual's powers in the EU.
I really liked this one m8. I suppose that the finite power of a black hole scaled down would be a good description for those of us with a more visual sense to really formulate the sense of power used. By both sides of the coin, no less. The micro b-hole(i laughed too)'s energy opposed by Luke, who has to expel as much energy respectively and relatively. I am an artist so, I process my world far differently than say an accountant. (apples to apples maybe) so this sort of a description works very well for me. Maybe not so much for poor Mr. Income H. Tax may not.
Whatever creator/s say Luke "moved" a black hole when talking about this instance with the dovin basal is either actively spreading false info, is ignorant and can't do their own research or has never read the books.
U should protect what left of Star Wars from "feminist power fantasy" Hollywood. Obi-Wan Kenobi tv show was a disaster that made Obi-Wan a secondary role in his own show. But when i see youtubers like Star Wars theory did not critise the show is making me nervous because the show is lazy, actor performance is shit and scenario is terrible. Only good thing was episode 6 where Anakin battles Obi-Wan but besides the fight the scenario was shit and writers of the show has done a terrible job... I know you wait for this, as do i, i know you wanted to like this, as do i but be a little objective and you will see that disney is killing Star Wars...
You use mass or focused energy. These blackholes were created by energy rather than mass. But that wasn’t what Luke did here. He simply tired out the Dovin Basal, which gave him half a second to refocus their blackhole projections. Before they cutout.
@@Icehead2.0 Oh it was a blackhole alright. But, I’m not sure that you can say that he actually moved it. I think the book said something like he nudged it.
@@Icehead2.0 E=MC^2. Matter is just another form of energy. If matter is compressed far enough, it will become a blackhole. In theory, if you focus enough energy into one single point of space, it should also become a blackhole. And mass, especially massive or focused objects liked blackholes, curve spacetime. The Dovin Basals focused energy at point to create a gravitational singularity at a desired point, a Kugelblitz type of blackhole. Luke resorted to wrestling with the Dovin Basal (through the Force) for control over that focal point. He “moved” it after the Dovin Basal tired, but before it turned off its energy projection. So there is room to argue either way. He either moved the small blackhole by moving the vehicle toward it, or by momentarily controlling the Dovin Basal’s projection cones(?), or by literally moving the blackhole. Knowing that one of the authors of the series understood the science of gravity, I choose to see it as Luke didn’t directly move the blackhole. Being a Star Wars fan who would rather that they not veer to close to scientific accuracy, Luke moved the blackhole. Either way, the end result is the same, the blackhole moved. And there is nothing stopping you to apply this on larger scales. If you want to move an object in space, you just need to have control over another object. If instance, despite the Sun’s mass and it’s obvious influence over the other planets in our system, the other planets exert gravitational influence over it, as a result, the Sun’s path through space wobbles as the planets orbit around it. Likewise, as it relates to Luke moving a blackhole, the vehicle had a degree of gravitational influence over the position of the Dovin Basals blackhole. Ummm, I think I forgot my point.
This is my second non Old Republic video this year alone! Crazy, right? Am I truly becoming 100%StarWars and not 100%KOTOR? Comment down below what content you want to see!
Not 100% of either, to be honest. (Not that this is a really bad thing.)
I don't mind either or, I just hope you don't go into Disney Canon because I can't stand it and it's one of the reasons I shut off Eckharts Ladder altogether...
Honestly I think you should stick to Old Republic, but not just KOTOR...I would love to see a lengthy video about the Mando wars and everything...
Regarding Disney canon - I'll only really make content on it if it connects to things from KOTOR or the Old Republic to some extent. And reviews of the Major shows/movies/games etc. It's rare for me to find enough real interest in making content directly pertaining to it. Shorts are probably the only time I'd touch the lore.
@@100StarWars that's good to know :) I just can't do Disney...they either removed or fatally changed most of what I always loved about star wars and their version of it is not my universe anymore without all of my favorite characters. Like Mara :(
I'd like to see the ends of the spectrum for the EU timeline ... covering events that occurred in the Dawn of the Jedi comics as well as the Legacy Comics.
Thank you for making the much needed distinction. I am an ardent Luke supporter when it comes to discussions surrounding feats of strength and power scaling, but even I would admit what he did was not what some others describe. Please do more NJO content!
I'm glad you enjoyed the video!
Irl black holes can actually be overwhelmed in some sense; if you try to dump in material faster than roughly the Eddington limit divided by the speed of light squared, the energy released will throw some material back out, and trying to put more in (without being smart about it, anyway) will just result in it being kicked out again.
Are you something of a scientist yourself?
The best part is the images of said debris is glorious. Unfortunately if a planet gets caught in the blast, then bye bye planet
Dude... did you just make a whole video about NEW JEDI ORDER? I'm shook in a good way. but I agree.
The plan was to shook everyone :p
As a massive legends fan I can’t thank you enough. There are so so many content creators out there that spread false info about legends it’s actually stupid. Thanks for clearing this up for people still getting it wrong.
Agreed.
I’d love to learn more about some of the Legends stories from you. I trust you to do the research.
lmao at Starkiller derping his hand up and down
derp derp derp
Thank you! I’ve been saying this for years when I hear content creators say this (though I do think I’ve heard that some people say the black hole thing for a different incident in a book I hadn’t read, Crystal Star maybe?)
Anyway I love hearing your perspective on NJO era lore!
I'd love to see you cover the events of Dark Empire, and the return of Emperor Palpatine into various clone bodies, or even a "characters explained" on someone like Cade Skywalker or Darth Krayt.
My favorite of these is when Vader allegedly faced off against seven Jedi Knights and masters simultaneously… leaving out the fact they all bungled up or let Vader kill them. I hate inconsistencies!
Ah, the Purge comic. Love that.
And I'm not gonna lie, the people who only heard of the event (and not read it) misinterpreting it feels suiting for the story, especially when it was actually exaggerated in-universe into a slaughter of 50 Jedi in the story's end.
(Oh, and love the Derpy Hooves PFP.)
People will spin anything to make their favorite characters look good!
Which is ironic since, in universe, that's how Palpatine spun the story to make Vader look more intimidating.
Exactly what I said, John Morgan.
As someone who grew up idolizing Luke -> thank you!! I swear sometimes that SuperShadow never truly disappeared, he and his "power rankings" just dispersed and became the bulk of the modern wars fandom...
I would love to see you cover the lost tribe of the sith!
Surprisingly good series of novellas. Shame the group got weirder in the FotJ novels.
YES YES YES YES YES!!! Did it get weirder in the FotJ series? Yeah...was it a bad weird? I don't think so, I thought it was good
One of the bigger feats I remember is when Dorsk 81 pushed a fleet of Star Destroyers from Yavin IV to the edge of the system nearly instantaneously. The effort was so much that it killed him.
He actually had to get a few padawans to up his level for the task as well.
Pre Disney Luke is like Superman.
I really appreciated the Starkiller video but this is so far from Luke’s greatest feat. True Force Storms are 4D in attack potency and Luke is able to match that level of power with minor amps from Leia in Dark Empire. And Luke obviously goes on to become stronger by the time he fights Abeloth.
This feat probably is blown out of proportion but it’s also so insignificant compared to the real ability of high tier Force sensitives that we could accept the black holes as genuine and it wouldn’t affect Luke’s power scaling.
This video was more aimed at people who argue that Luke manipulating black holes is the most powerful thing in Star Wars and was his greatest feat because XYZ Star Wars creator or article told them so. I've seen this specific arguement way too many times and I wanted to address it even though we both know it wasn't his greatest feat at all. I would've put greatest feat in brackets if UA-cam didn't hate symbols in titles lol
Though dark empire is ass so it doesn't count
@@Kingshoutout-lw5gl I have not met a single person that cared for dark empire
@@Kingshoutout-lw5gl Because it's funny
Well it’s an artificial black hole but still powerful
Seeing you do a mix of Old Republic and New Republic post Return of the Jedi in Legends continuity makes perfect sense
I loved this video and appreciate the clarity you brought to the subject
I never personallt read this story in particular but I did read later on when Luke was retracing Jacen's steps in his 5 year soujourn and found the Aing-Tii Monks. He learned the Fold Space technique from them, allowing him to teleport objects short distances. He got to this point when he was much older, his son being in his late teens/young adulthood.
After watching this I wonder how much of his learning was informed by this incident? Or if he could take what he learned from the Aing-Tii and apply it to the Dova Basin, what would have happened then? Fun questions. Again great video. Please do more.
Personally I love Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus so anything on him I would watch.
Amazing and fascinating video my friend!!!!! What I noticed the most was that you were using an animated version of Luke Skywalker which I understand since this takes place post ROTJ but I still would have preferred seeing Mark Hamill since he'll always be Luke Skywalker to me
On a similar topic: how valid is the feat of several of Luke's original Jedi students combining their powers to throw Star Destroyers out of Yavin IV's orbit?
The great thing is that even without this feat, Luke is still awesome.
Indeed he is!
Beyond Shadows is Luke's true best feat that he had achieved. It quite literally made him transcend dimensions and practically everything in existence as far as the Force is concerned
I knew it, I always knew this couldn't be his biggest bestest moment.
It was always something more closer to him than any of us realised.
Luke's greatest power are his Feet.
I mean how else does he Skywalk?
I'm sorry..
All things considered this is still pretty impressive. Not black hole impressive but it's still no doubt that Luke's affinity for the force was one of the greatest in the Jedi's history.
The dovin basals are basically organic power management, just like you get in the X-wing and Tie Fighter games. You can use them offensive, by draining the enemy shields, defensively by absorbing enemy fire, or as propulsion.
As for the part about Luke being exhausted, there's actually a good explanation, one we see often in Yoda. There's two ways to "use the Force", an active way and a passive way. Actively using Force powers gives you more resistance to their effects as you're used to using them, but blinds you to the Force's currents. Passive use of the Force, like Yoda mostly does, means you get insight, you see into the future, you sense dangers and can plan ahead. Similar to how submarines hunt. When you use active sonar you can detect everything around you, but your signature is heard much further than you can detect things. Passive sonar, on the other hand, lets you listen for your opponents while staying hidden.
So that's why Luke was so exhausted, as by then he rarely used the Force actively. Much like we see in Yoda's fight with Dooku and later the Emperor.
What is described in the Jaina passage is the proton torpedo detonating shy of the dovin bassal, and a little bit of the bomb's energy that wasn't consumed reaching it's target. That doesn't equal "completely overwhelming it" as you immediately say afterwards. You're assuming the void had an upper limit to what it could absorb and the torpedo met and exceeded that limit, but instead it's just as reasonable to say that when the torpedo detonated early, and some of the blast simply never touched the event horizon at all and so wasn't consumed.
Also obviously Luke's greatest feats were matching Albeloth or withstanding the entire combined Force energy of the Killik colony.
I'm going to be honest as cool as the Black Hole thing was and sounded, I didn't think it was Lukes most impressive feat and you actually adding context to clear things up helped. My favorite feat from Luke in the EU was when he walked over lava while fighting the fire wyrm.
P.S. I don't know if I spelled the monsters name right
Was a fireworm!
@@100StarWars Thanks I'm not great with names.
If they didn't want Luke to "move a black hole" then they shouldn't have used the words "black hole" or "event horizon."
This is like saying the adept from mass effect is solar system level because of the singularity “black hole attack”
Who says this is Luke’s greatest feat? I would say harming Abeloth with golden waves of force energy and finishing her off barehanded at the Lake after just beating down Darth Krayt who tried force draining Luke was his best feat. This video is stupid
I don’t know much of the post R.O.T.J, maybe some thing’s like Thrawn Trilogy, something with a yellow blob god thing or something, idk.
But Yee I think I heard about Luke controlling a lack void, so now I know thank’s to you that this isn’t like as powerful as an actual black void.
Nice to know
You referring to Waru?
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I think so, not sure.
I think the story was the offspring’s of Han & Leia being kidnapped by some Sith.
Yep, that's the entity, and the story is The Crystal Star.
We, the fandom, prefer to ignore it. Heck, even the other Star Wars writers also ignore it.
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I think I saw a video of this.
I don’t remember why it’s dislike, could you summarize why it’s bad?
Poor writing, weak villain, some dodgy characterizations of familiar characters, a messed up plot, and feels more Star Trek than Star Wars.
I still don't understand the difference.
Yeah. It literally calls and describes it as a black hole. Are they Supermassive or stellar mass blackholes? No. But, anything, if it can be compressed enough can become a black hole,.. even energy. The later is called a Kugelblitz Blackhole and that is the type projected by the Dovin Basals.
And these blackholes weren’t overwhelmed. But rather the Dovin Basals tire after a while. To say that their projected blackholes were overwhelmed is like saying that your shield were overwhelmed. When in actuality, it is the shield generators and it’s power supply that are being overwhelmed and/or drained.
What Luke did was wrestled control of the blackhole from one of the bigger Dovin Basals, until it began to tire. And it drained him, since he didn’t at the time understand the mechanics of it. Afterwards he taught the others how to do it.
What blackholes do is bend spacetime. And they can’t eat everything in their path, but are limited by its mass. If we some day were to “accidentally” create a tiny one in a lab, it will not suck down the Earth. At best, it would sink to the core without much fanfare. So that one created by a Dovin Basal was able to eat a large vehicle while the ones created by the Dovin Basals on their Coral Skippers weren’t able to do much more than curve the trajectory of starfight blaster bolts and torpedos half the time says something about their scaling.
What Luke accomplished at the time was major. But not the most impressive thing that he or even weaker Force Users have done.
Heh, thought this was about his team-up with Darth Krayt on the Fate of the Jedi novels' endgame.
Haha, not quite!
@@100StarWars Still, you should check that out. It's awfully contrived, but fascinatingly awesome nonetheless.
Oh, and did you make this video because of those recent discoveries about black hole noises?
Nooo, I made a video about this on TikTok months ago. And realised huh... would make a decent full topic video!
0:36 Where's that shot of hooded Luke from?
I might be wrong, but it looks like the story mode in Star Wars Battlefront II (2017.)
Boba his family and his Mandalorian protectors
Not disagreeing, no one can move a black hole in Star Wars without extreme tech like Center point. This is why the Maw exists, it holds Aboloth (forgive my spelling) and there are at least 3 black holes in that region. But this gravity well, it is described as having a Event Horizon a point of no return in a full scale black hole.
As you said Luke didn't move a Black Hole but this is a true Singularly, a point in space time where all matter and all energy is in a very small point. So Luke is quite powerful as by nature the Force should have no effect on it if all energy is pulled in. If Luke tried to move a true black hole he would find the force simply feed back and quite possibly kill him due to his connection.
Personally, I would love it if you covered the Republic Commando novels.
Vader ended up not helping Kylo as a ghost & he didnt even kill Palp so in the end Vader literally did nothing
Have you play the jedi Knight games if you have not I would love a Playthru from you specifically
I have yeah, i believe the playlists for all the livestreams are still available.
@@100StarWars fuck yeah checking now
He did. He really did.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It is always a problem when a term is used to discripe something in behaviour or form and then some readers develop an Dunning-Kruger Syndrome, like the Case when someone is dimissive about science and their only defense is "it's only a theory" and even with no more knowledge than them, you can disproven them with a Dictonary and the definition of the Word "Theory"
Same with Black Hole here. Well yes, the ones we know and seen in SciFi or the Real World are MASSIVE and GARGANTUAN or the Mass of Earth in the Size of a Football! But... well, they also can be tiny, very tiny. I mean, back in the Day when they brought the new LHC in Cern online, Nutters claimed that it could create a Black Hole that sucks up Earth! And even ignorig the explanation but if you make a Black Hole light enough, it's not really the matter of Moving it, more finding it or survive the radiation
And ah yes: the schoolyard discussion about who is more Powerfull, i think some shoule remind themself two things:
1. it is all made up and often not even consistent and never was
2. what someone can do or not is based on the mood of the writer and whom he want's to win and not some RPG System in the Background, likewise how proficient someone is in the Force. Nobody needs to level up to lift some Rocks, it is even said that the Force Guides People, particular if they listen, one can even build a Lightsaber with that as complete untrained Protagonist of a certain game
you can put real numbers behind things to it. like how much he can push or pull with witch can be used to calculate other things. u can use physics to determine who is stronger. yes its all made up but there's is a lot of fun in calculating there feats. the can most defiantly have stats to it. it may not have been the writers intent. there is canon as well witch has consistency. there proficiency in the force can be determined too. most often it is stated and can easily calculated. there physical attributes can be show as well. you just have to know what to calculate and such. most of the ones there trying to see the better of have plenty of material to grab from and use as data.
Idk man……..they still call it a black hole.
It’s all legends anyway so 🤷♂️
OK. Strange video.
But fun.
Glad you enjoyed it haha
I’m still waiting for my Darth Krayt video Luke
What Darth Krayt video, Montel?
@@100StarWars "I have broken the spine of the galaxy… Sometimes, things must be broken in order to be rebuilt. As I have bent the Force to my will, so I will bend the galaxy and it will know order." - Darth Krayt.
Yeah, if this crap is a black hole, then my mask effect character is actually solar system plus because of the warp ability where you shoot a black hole at the enemy 😂
Well what Kyp Duron did with the sun crusher wasn't much more incredible than what Yoda did on Dagobah...the Sun Crusher wasn'tuch bigger than a snub fighter and the sun crusher was very light because the Quantum Crystaline armor was extremely light, and regardless of what people seem to think, was NOT indestructible. It was constructed so therefore it cannot be indestructible and from the way I remembered it, the way to destroy it was easy and simple but very uncommon.....but I don't remember currently what it was because I haven't read that story in a long time. I just remember glossing over it and then about 20 pages later was like......wait a minute and went flying back to it HAHAHAHAA
It wasn't the weight of the Suncrusher that made that feat impressive. It was pulling it out of Yavin Prime's (the biggest Gas Giant in the Star Wars Galaxy) gravitational pull from 100,000's of miles away on Yavin 4. The gravitional pull of Yavin Prime on the Suncrusher must be absurd given the planets's size.
@@100StarWars that's true...but I'm sure there is a perfectly scientific explanation to work in his favor I just haven't come up with it yet....lol
The escape velocity needed to break free from deep within a gas giant for a ships of roughly similar mass is far greater than lifting a ship a half a dozen meters up from the surface of a planet who’s surface gravity is maybe 1g.
The destroyed the Sun Crusher sending it straight into one of the blackholes of the Maw blackhole cluster.
@@eds1942 ok and the thrust of a star destroyer can break IT free of that gravity...so to me that makes it much more incredible to hold it still or rip it out of the sky.
Eh only problem is that this apart from the speed of absorption of the ship is EXACTLY how a black hole work. It doesn’t absorb everything thrown at it, hence the accretion disks around them. Sao that it failed to absorb the full impact of a torpedo is how they would act. Nor would it instantly absorb the ship, it could however cause an explosion by tearing apart the ship that caused the destruction of the ship. But Star Wars has never had any realism or physics. This is proven simply by the dumb ass way of combat. They got 3D space to utilise but despite the flaws of MANY bigger ships completely lacking any defence from most angles of possible attack these weaknesses are never exploited. Star destroyers would be destroyed in the hundreds by a small squadron of x wings
Any of the non-KOTOR/TOR games, anything written by Zahn
please cover legends clone wars (everything before the clone wars movie)
Fuckin Death Battle saying that because Luke could “manipulate a black hole”, therefore Obi-Wan could output that power
Good ol' death battle.
More EU videos plzzzz!
Love your videos man, either its KOTOR or Movies.
Luke moved a black hole??? You need to upload more stories for us bro!
Great video, but really thinking that kyp and exar kun feat and starkiller feat is bigger than the one from luke... I dont know man, considering kyp didn't do it alone, so that comparison cant be taken serious since you are comparing a combination of power, againts a single person power, as for starkiller, well he is not moving anything he is just cushion the ship decent, also despite the fact that the mini black hole (as descrived on the book) it doesnt have the same power as a real black hole and a torpedo and laser from the x-wings can alter it. Its still in basis a mini black hole, only not as powerfull but still same as dangerous as the real one. so in terms of single power i still think luke feats is greater than any other.
Dude it was basically an exar kun feat because exar kun unlocked kyp true potential and exar kun add from his raw force power it drained exar kun so much because kyp didn't have enough force energy to fuel exar kun spirit infact the only reason kun lost to spirit luke Skywalker the 12 jedi knight and his master spirit was because exar kun didn't have no energy reserves to pull up a fight against so much light luke Skywalker also had a major raw power boost by being an spirit
Well, I did certainly say it was debatable in the video. :P I mention the Kyp feat simply on the basis of pulling the suncrusher away from the gravitational pull of the biggest gas giant in the Star Wars universe seems a greater achievement to me than a small dovin bassal.
People love to low ball and discredit exar kun because he hasn't appeared in many mediums but kun has estates and quotes from the sources that put kun above vitiate revan nihiluis bane vader and caedus exar kun is only second to emperor papaltine reborn in my eyes
More NJO content pleaze!!! I love NJO so much
Please*
I'm considering it!
more Vong war plz
Could the dovin basal be a biological version of Mass Effect's Eezo generators?
I know TLJ Luke is controversial, but Luke projecting himself across galaxies to defeat Kylo Ren in a completely pacifistic Jedi way is underrated.
Too bad they had to get the grouchy old coward to clean up his nearly 30 year mess that could have easily been avoided
Personally Zhan's Thrawn duology, spector of the past and visions of the future is a great way to end Star Wars. The new republic and empire finally make peace. NJO, dark nest, and LOTF just don't suit me. Plus sooo many good characters are killed off and others given terrible development. Albeit I did enjoy the legacy comics bit it did still feel like the same old shtick of sith vs jedi and a skywalker must save the galaxy from evil.
Good t9 gave c9ntext. It's still super awesome what like does. I do always heat krias words echo in my head "with the force anything us possable". Thus being said I do believe that even moving an actyal black hole is very hard, but can be done by some sort of force god.
God Videos
God videos? Not just good? Damn.
@@100StarWars just good?, that would be an understatement wouldn't it
No Luke Skywalker is the greatest Jedi ever lived. Alot you Reylo Shippers won't Admit it.
Hey man I love your content, your story trlling skills makes these videos really fun to watch. I would love it if you could do more videos about post ROTJ legends stuff. Thank you anyway, may the force be with you
I wish youtubers would more research on those eu star wars characters feats y'all don't know how to escalate and don't understand the source quotes luke Skywalker by empire strike back had the power to humble the death star he grew far more powerful than that in return of the jedi he was star+🌟 he kept growing far more powerful after that in his dark empire era where he also learned everything vader knew and became more powerful than vader when faced exar kun luke Skywalker was 2 times more powerful than his dark empire self luke Skywalker in the eu raw force power grow is very fast luke biggest feat was oneness in the realm of shadow and defeating abeloth
I mean... There's a lot of subjectivity in your statements. Things like comparing a fire cracker to a billion nukes... How would we even come to that conclusion? Gravitional Wells are definitely impressive. More só than pulling ships. Seems like you are deliberately downplaying things.
I mean, I never said that comparison was objective. The only thing I'm truly downplaying it against is the claim it's equivalent to an actual black hole of nature.
What is this Luke Skywalker slander?!
It's from a place of Love
Based on this video, and the video analyzing Starkiller and the Star Destroyer, perhaps you can do videos analyzing top tier force feats, or perhaps explaining the misconception of some top tier force feats.
Honestly... the number of overblown stories wrote about both Luke and Palpatine in the EU is staggering.
Both of these characters' powers were inflated to a point where they were out of scale with the entire rest of the lore. They come across more like fanfiction than cannon stories/series.
Deleting most of the EU book/comic series was the best thing that could have been done from a "health of a setting" standpoint.
So Luke Skywalker became exhausted after trying to contain a tiny black hole but palpatine can easily destroy a thousand battleships easily in his weakened state
Ok!
He still handled a man made space anomaly of a black hole!
It's is still a feats if power that Luke Skywalker has done and has more feats power and skill he has done in the Expanded universe!
People will still hold it up with superman holding a black hole in the palm of his hand!
Fact are fact and some stories can be blown out of context. But it's Luke Skywalker a hero that everyone can root for!😔✊
That's a terrible deep fake of Luke, worse than the Mandalorian series.
That's because it's from an old video game.
I've sort of viewed Dorsk 81 channeling the Force from his fellows to hurl Admiral Daala's task force out of Yavin 4 orbit as the height of an individual's powers in the EU.
I really liked this one m8. I suppose that the finite power of a black hole scaled down would be a good description for those of us with a more visual sense to really formulate the sense of power used. By both sides of the coin, no less. The micro b-hole(i laughed too)'s energy opposed by Luke, who has to expel as much energy respectively and relatively. I am an artist so, I process my world far differently than say an accountant. (apples to apples maybe) so this sort of a description works very well for me. Maybe not so much for poor Mr. Income H. Tax may not.
I do agree that people exaggerate things simply to push their agenda. Happens all the time in politics.
Whatever creator/s say Luke "moved" a black hole when talking about this instance with the dovin basal is either actively spreading false info, is ignorant and can't do their own research or has never read the books.
A similar video on Palpatine is much needed cuz he too is extremely overrated just like Luke
U should protect what left of Star Wars from "feminist power fantasy" Hollywood.
Obi-Wan Kenobi tv show was a disaster that made Obi-Wan a secondary role in his own show. But when i see youtubers like Star Wars theory did not critise the show is making me nervous because the show is lazy, actor performance is shit and scenario is terrible. Only good thing was episode 6 where Anakin battles Obi-Wan but besides the fight the scenario was shit and writers of the show has done a terrible job...
I know you wait for this, as do i, i know you wanted to like this, as do i but be a little objective and you will see that disney is killing Star Wars...
Wow, how the hell would you even move a black hole?
You use mass or focused energy. These blackholes were created by energy rather than mass.
But that wasn’t what Luke did here. He simply tired out the Dovin Basal, which gave him half a second to refocus their blackhole projections. Before they cutout.
@@eds1942 so he didnt actually move a real black hole?
@@Icehead2.0 Oh it was a blackhole alright. But, I’m not sure that you can say that he actually moved it. I think the book said something like he nudged it.
@@eds1942 huh
@@Icehead2.0 E=MC^2. Matter is just another form of energy. If matter is compressed far enough, it will become a blackhole. In theory, if you focus enough energy into one single point of space, it should also become a blackhole. And mass, especially massive or focused objects liked blackholes, curve spacetime.
The Dovin Basals focused energy at point to create a gravitational singularity at a desired point, a Kugelblitz type of blackhole. Luke resorted to wrestling with the Dovin Basal (through the Force) for control over that focal point. He “moved” it after the Dovin Basal tired, but before it turned off its energy projection. So there is room to argue either way.
He either moved the small blackhole by moving the vehicle toward it, or by momentarily controlling the Dovin Basal’s projection cones(?), or by literally moving the blackhole.
Knowing that one of the authors of the series understood the science of gravity, I choose to see it as Luke didn’t directly move the blackhole. Being a Star Wars fan who would rather that they not veer to close to scientific accuracy, Luke moved the blackhole. Either way, the end result is the same, the blackhole moved.
And there is nothing stopping you to apply this on larger scales. If you want to move an object in space, you just need to have control over another object. If instance, despite the Sun’s mass and it’s obvious influence over the other planets in our system, the other planets exert gravitational influence over it, as a result, the Sun’s path through space wobbles as the planets orbit around it. Likewise, as it relates to Luke moving a blackhole, the vehicle had a degree of gravitational influence over the position of the Dovin Basals blackhole.
Ummm, I think I forgot my point.
how do you tag other UA-cam channels?