UK Buys AKs to Train Ukrainian Troops

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  • Опубліковано 23 лип 2022
  • Ukrainian troops are in the UK training as part of an agreement with the British government. The UK has procured an interesting assortment of AK pattern rifles for the Ukrainian personnel to train with. In this video we look at what rifles are in use and some of the challenges of procuring them.
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  • @TheArmourersBench
    @TheArmourersBench  Рік тому +11

    Thanks for watching guys!
    Check out the accompanying article for sources and more images: armourersbench.com/2022/07/25/uk-purchases-aks-to-train-ukrainian-troops/

  • @jon9021
    @jon9021 Рік тому +327

    Ukrainian forces using/training with SA80’s? Haven’t they suffered enough?

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  Рік тому +61

      I know...

    • @josedorsaith5261
      @josedorsaith5261 Рік тому +48

      The old A1 versions, too. Wonder how many ended up with recoil springs +bolt marks on their forehead

    • @thepatriotsrage661
      @thepatriotsrage661 Рік тому +10

      🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @Blackguineapig
      @Blackguineapig Рік тому +24

      @Jose Dorsaith Those are A2s.

    • @josedorsaith5261
      @josedorsaith5261 Рік тому +5

      @@Blackguineapig
      Are they? They have the older handguard, dust cover and lack of piccatiny rails

  • @jonbroadsword7572
    @jonbroadsword7572 Рік тому +86

    I was thinking of those poor Welsh Guards who got to play with... err... test fire each rifle. So, what is the number of rounds fired through each weapon to meet "Official MoD" or Welsh Guards standards?
    It would be fairly high to meet my high standards. 😁

  • @stukafaust
    @stukafaust Рік тому +32

    This condensed infantry course looks excellent. Actually I wish I could go on it!

  • @Blackguineapig
    @Blackguineapig Рік тому +90

    The use of 7.62 over 5.45 has alot to do with the lack of availability of 5.45 internationally.
    Anyone who Britain would be happy to buy from/would be happy to sell to Britain is already sending it straight to Ukraine or to their own stocks...
    7.62x39 is far less in demand and is available in far greater stocks.
    Considering how much effort is going into moving 5.45 and other munitions into Ukraine, it wouldn't make sense to ship it to the UK when 7.62 works for marksmanship training and the manipulations remain the same.

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  Рік тому +17

      It does indeed. Unconfirmed reports of shortages and poor quality stuff floating about. So I suspect this is a combination of what was readily available, the shared manual of as being handy and the availability of ammo.

    • @markmaher4548
      @markmaher4548 Рік тому +2

      Plus, it's not exactly hard for a decent armourer to refill & mount a new bullet on a 7.62×39 case

    • @prfwrx2497
      @prfwrx2497 Рік тому +1

      Yup, and out to 300m, there are negligible differences in combat holds to hit the mark.

    • @Girder3
      @Girder3 Рік тому +2

      I wouldn't necessarily say that 7.62x39 is in less demand, but far from it. But it's certainly not in short supply compared to 5.45 which as you said is significantly less available.

    • @Blackguineapig
      @Blackguineapig Рік тому +1

      @@Girder3 far less weapon systems in inventory in Ukraine use 7.62
      It's not none, but yes - far less demand than 5.45

  • @zdzichuzdzichowski2215
    @zdzichuzdzichowski2215 Рік тому +38

    As a Polish man whose grandfather during WW 2 was serving in Polish armed forces under British command . I admire those guys who train to fight for the safety of their homes , and their families . About Serbian made AKs ,you cant go wrong . I got one to semi-auto version on sport license . And i can tell you that . All you need to ad/ change in this riffle is enlarged safety switch , red dot sight , or small magnifation scope ( at best on the side mount ), beter muzzle brake / flash hider , possibly a front pistol grip , and modern sling . After that you got realy good weapon , and there is nothing more that i would expect from it.

    • @tubyduby2816
      @tubyduby2816 Рік тому

      Almost all of the Americans on UA-cam run light/multi-lights on their rifles. It's understandable since the problems they deal with don't involve running and hitting the dirt constantly. Reliable magnification is probably more crucial than other mods if the budget doesn't allow it. People can make do without a red dot or a comfortable foregrip. A scope can help tired eyes notice details otherwise they wouldn't have and alert them to the danger. I'd go with a 2-point sling instead of the single. If I fall off a BMP, I don't want my rifle to get caught onto something and pull me into the tracks.

  • @DrugTino
    @DrugTino Рік тому +185

    Considering the predominance of the M70 Zastava together with the lesser appearances of Hungarian and East German variants it is very likely that all rifles have been acquired from Croatia as a single purchase.
    While the Zastava variants need no explanation, for the other two it might be noted that: due to a severe rifle shortage (disarmament of the Territorial Defence forces by Yugoslav forces in 1990) Croatia had to import large amounts of Hungarian (and later ex-GDR) AK variants to arm its new military in the first years of its war for independence.
    Following its large military downsizing and switch to NATO standards (including the introduction of the domestic VHS rifle) in the last decade and a half, the country has been stuck with stored AK pattern rifles in the hundreds of thousands. Thousands have already been delivered to Western-supported groups in Syria the last decade. The Croatian government has also openly pledged to provide Ukraine with rifles back when the war started.
    Hence, why I consider Croatia to be the most likely candidate.
    Some may ask: why not Slovenia? Well, Slovenia's ten day war did not necessitate a comparable arms buildup. While Slovenian defense forces have also been seen with Hungarian AKs back then it lacks the presence of East German and other Eastern European variants that can be found in Croatia's much larger and exotically mixed (black market purchased) arsenal. Of course the rifles could have been sourced from both countries or even more sources. But why complicate deals and logistics if it is likely that one could get all those from a single NATO ally?

    • @kresbes7240
      @kresbes7240 Рік тому +1

      Stop advertising Croatias role in this conflict!
      Wasn't one Tu 141 drone with KAB 100/120 bomb enough?!

    • @DrugTino
      @DrugTino Рік тому +7

      @@kresbes7240 I'm not advertising anything. Just saying what the Croatian government is likely to be doing. Personally, I don't even agree with that.

    • @kresbes7240
      @kresbes7240 Рік тому

      @@DrugTino the Croatian goverment is a bunch of reckless dimwits who do not comprehend the meaning of the word CONSEQUENCE.
      And that is how we got a Tu141 with a 100kg bomb landing on our capitol.
      We were lucky that the "genius" that loaded the explosive on the bomb messed up the chemical proces.
      So he ended up with amonia, instead of nitric acid, which is the basis for most explosives.
      Please do not flaunt your inteligence(m70 origins) by pointing out the stupid moves of our goverment.
      One bomb 200 meters from my parents house was enough.
      We are already on Russian lists of "most mercs in Ukraine", "Ukraine weapon supliers".
      I have no problem with Croatia suplying weapons to Ukraine.
      I have a problem with "telling the whole God damn about it"!!!
      For obvious f***ing reasons!!!

    • @joshuajoaquin5099
      @joshuajoaquin5099 Рік тому +12

      @@kresbes7240 Dude you alright?

    • @kresbes7240
      @kresbes7240 Рік тому

      @@joshuajoaquin5099 i am not thrilled with the fact that a Russian drone landed 200 meters from my parents home, one day after Croatian military atashe in Moscow was sumoned to recive a Russian diplomatic note regarding Denis Seler and "Croatian mercenaries".
      As i said earlier.
      I am all for Croatia helping Ukraine, but under one strict condition:
      Shutting the f*** up about it!!!
      I have attented enough funerals, and I do not see the need to attend more.
      So once again if anybody notices any potential Croatia involment, please shut the f*** about it.
      Since it is quite obvious that NATO doesn't give a flying f*** about Russian bombs hitting Zagreb.

  • @Altair885
    @Altair885 Рік тому +42

    Nice to see the 1960's British army regulation mustache is still with us😂

  • @SashaFoxfort
    @SashaFoxfort Рік тому +29

    Well, tons of countries produce 7.62, while 5.45 far fewer in comparison.
    So it's far easier for NATO to supply Ukraine with 7.62

    • @TheChickenLine
      @TheChickenLine Рік тому +1

      Ukraine produces its own 5.45 ammunition…every rifle I used, in the three months I was over there, was chambered for 5.45…
      For certain reasons; I can’t go into detail, but 5.45 is what they need to stick with at this stage in the war.
      Other weapons, H&K, Glock…came in from Poland and even Lithuania…
      I also carried a Makarov for my sidearm, I was one of the very few foreign fighters who carried one, being reserved only for Ukrainian Officers.

    • @SashaFoxfort
      @SashaFoxfort Рік тому +1

      @@TheChickenLine It does not change a fact that 5.45 is not common as 7.62.
      How many countries produce 5.45 that are not on Russian side? Those who do, what about quantity they can deliver?
      I have seen UAF using M70 on frontline which is 7.62 only. So 7.62 is used by UA side.

    • @TheChickenLine
      @TheChickenLine Рік тому

      @@SashaFoxfort As I stated, I can’t go into detail, but Ukraine will be using 5.45 for sometime to come. I spent 3 months around command level and on the front lines, Kyiv, Donetsk…I really do know what I’m talking about!
      Kindest Regards.

    • @jalpat2272
      @jalpat2272 Рік тому

      @@TheChickenLine they used to produced 5.45, large amounts Ukrainian ammo was produced in Donetsk.

    • @abdur1300
      @abdur1300 Рік тому

      @@SashaFoxfort 5.45 is limited indeed.. but its okay as long as they can send it on frontline.. I guess Ukraine Government and military still able to figure it out.. You need to chill

  • @BrowncoatNerd
    @BrowncoatNerd Рік тому +72

    To the question as why they chose 7.62 over 5.45 is that Serbia (more specifically Zastava) has never made a AK74 pattern rifle in 5.45. An additional note you can see they also purchased ammo from Serbia. You can see the brown boxes of M67 ammo on stripper clips designed for the SKS.

    • @andrew2353
      @andrew2353 Рік тому +20

      These old Zastavas and the ammo likely come from Croatia as it's the most pro-western of all the ex-Yugoslav countries.

    • @BrowncoatNerd
      @BrowncoatNerd Рік тому +21

      @@andrew2353 it is extremely unusual that a pro Russian country like Serbia would sell arms to help Ukraine. Buying them from Croatia does make a lot more since. Especially considering Croatia still has a ton of these in storage and now that they’re using the VHS in 5.56 they don’t really need them anymore.

    • @user-ue4nq3kc3j
      @user-ue4nq3kc3j Рік тому +13

      These M70s are donated by Croatia.

    • @Bojan_Kavedzic
      @Bojan_Kavedzic Рік тому +8

      @@BrowncoatNerd And yet Serbia has sold 60mm and 82mm mortar ammo to Ukraine as late as 2021.

    • @BrowncoatNerd
      @BrowncoatNerd Рік тому +1

      @@Bojan_Kavedzic really! That’s shocking considering Russia has said they’d support them on the Bosnian issue!

  • @TommygunNG
    @TommygunNG Рік тому +16

    Caliber choice makes sense. An American company in Wisconsin recently gave the Ukrainians one million rounds of 7.62mm. They asked in advance what caliber the Ukrainians wanted.

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  Рік тому +7

      Ammo Inc was it, iirc.

    • @TommygunNG
      @TommygunNG Рік тому +5

      @@TheArmourersBench Correct. The caliber choice was the Ukrainians, though.

    • @Ukraineaissance2014
      @Ukraineaissance2014 Рік тому

      @@TheArmourersBench am I right in saying Ukraines official assault rifle is a 5.56 thing? Cant remember its name, although obviously the vast majority of Ukrainians are using the AK74 or AK variants.

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  Рік тому +8

      @@Ukraineaissance2014 Their standard calibre is still 5.45 but I think we're going to see a wholesale shift to 5.56 before the war is over.

    • @Ukraineaissance2014
      @Ukraineaissance2014 Рік тому

      @@TheArmourersBench yes I was thinking of their Vulcan, I thought it was 5.56 at first. After watching your video on it its striking how visually and ergonomically similar the Vulcan is to the SA80. Do you think they will move over to a whole new weapon to go over to 5.56 (if they do decide to shift over before the wars end) or come up with another solution?

  • @tailgunnerrich592
    @tailgunnerrich592 Рік тому +11

    Being trained by the Brits will be tough training . A lot of speed marches or running around with pack, helmets, and rifles.

    • @fasteddie406
      @fasteddie406 Рік тому

      Doubt that, condensed course will drop PT and Drill..

  • @BlesamaSoul
    @BlesamaSoul Рік тому +5

    The amount of Aks we should have picked up over the years from Iraq and Afghan, yet there's nothing available or stored for a v rainy day and here we are buying kit (again). Still great training and probably the best contribution to date from the UK.

  • @zinodavidoff5665
    @zinodavidoff5665 Рік тому +5

    Damn british multicam is pretty good.

  • @thepatriotsrage661
    @thepatriotsrage661 Рік тому +11

    Makes sense from an availability and manual of arms perspective. I also suspect, there is a shit ton of x39 ammo in partner nations inventory. Zastava makes a good quality AKM pattern rifle, but that East German variant has my attention. Those are likely VERY sought after collectors pieces.

  • @vlodpg
    @vlodpg Рік тому +21

    I can't wait until the AK's come to the states as part kits!

    • @benjaminkeepfer8968
      @benjaminkeepfer8968 Рік тому +14

      I highly doubt it. Being the British, as soon as they are done with them, then strait to the crusher & then dumped into the North Sea.

    • @gr6373
      @gr6373 Рік тому +3

      We already got tons of M70s in the US.

    • @ratagris21
      @ratagris21 Рік тому +2

      There are parts in the US already. Need to do a web search like APex and Max Arms.

    • @p03saucez
      @p03saucez Рік тому +4

      Same. Hopefully they'll drive the damn prices down.

    • @p03saucez
      @p03saucez Рік тому +1

      @@benjaminkeepfer8968 Bastards.

  • @RMMilitaryHistory
    @RMMilitaryHistory Рік тому +4

    That instructors mustache is peak 🤩

  • @M856BushBurner
    @M856BushBurner Рік тому

    Love the work keep up it

  • @danielknezevic8476
    @danielknezevic8476 Рік тому +12

    the only countries that have M70 in larger quantities are: Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia, Slovenia (Balkans)

    • @jtgnc7529
      @jtgnc7529 Рік тому +3

      Iraq manufactured them under license, as well. But I doubt that’s where these were sourced from.

    • @baneofbanes
      @baneofbanes Рік тому +2

      If I had to guess Croatia and Slovenia are the most likely sources

  • @jimmyjohnson7027
    @jimmyjohnson7027 Рік тому +5

    Some interesting comments. I would like to know how many posters have actual military experience as opposed to video games and Airsoft.

  • @Bob10009
    @Bob10009 Рік тому +21

    I think this is one of the most useful contributions we have made to the defence of Ukraine. NLAWS and Spartans are all very well but without lots of trained troops, Ukraine will soon falter.

    • @baneofbanes
      @baneofbanes Рік тому +1

      Eh it’s important yes but the Ukrainians still need a lot of heavy weaponry, such as artillery, tanks, and aircraft. However there’s really only one NATO country that can really give Ukraine what it needs in that regard following Europes military turndown post Cold War.

  • @Weaponsandstuff93
    @Weaponsandstuff93 Рік тому +1

    With the targets at 3:04 one guy has a bloody good group on the right.

  • @joemorganeatmyshortschannel
    @joemorganeatmyshortschannel Рік тому +3

    one of those things when in rome so if fighting in eastern and central europe using ak makes sense

  • @1986XRV8
    @1986XRV8 Рік тому +39

    Great info. Good to see the Ukrainians getting professional training.

  • @jasonmusic9938
    @jasonmusic9938 Рік тому

    where did they buy their AKs from? or where were they made?

  • @gunner678
    @gunner678 Рік тому +2

    There are large numbers of AK pattern rifles held in regimental museums, training cadres and associated museums, imperial war museum, other storage etc etc. This number could comfortably be met from these sources. This reminds me of the Mujahadin training courses we ran in the 1980s in Sennybridge and Brecon. The call went out then to gather AKs from various known sources, in similar numbers as I recall.

    • @baneofbanes
      @baneofbanes Рік тому

      And how many of those aren’t deactivated?

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  Рік тому +5

      Yeah, there's definitely not 2400 live AKs in UK museums. There were probably 500+ in UK MoD stores though.

  • @MartinJHarris
    @MartinJHarris Рік тому

    Did they use the ones from BATUS..?

  • @zoiders
    @zoiders Рік тому +7

    There are a few Chinese Type 56s there, the first chap with a tache is waving one about - possibly from Finland.

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  Рік тому +4

      Hmm, that ones an M70AB2 isn't it, has the rifle grenade sight.

    • @zoiders
      @zoiders Рік тому +2

      @@TheArmourersBench Ahh you're right there. Its the cleaning rod making it resemble a 56.

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  Рік тому +2

      I'm working on tracking some Type 56 use though!

    • @vadimbobov4051
      @vadimbobov4051 Рік тому +2

      @@TheArmourersBench we have seeen ukranian troops using type 56s presumably donated by the US which seized many from ships going to the houthis.

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  Рік тому +1

      Yeah I've so far only seen Georgian International Legion guys with them. If you've seen more please do point me in the direction!

  • @MostlyPennyCat
    @MostlyPennyCat Рік тому +13

    I bet there's some British soldiers that are jealous of them actually getting to use Spartans for real.
    Although I guess they did get to use Scimitar in Afghanistan.

    • @WozWozEre
      @WozWozEre Рік тому +1

      I think they're just for training, they're not actually taking the Spartans to Ukraine with them.

    • @commando552
      @commando552 Рік тому +2

      @@WozWozEre I imagine that they are driver training for the Stormer HVM Starstreak launchers that have been sent over there.

  • @Ukraineaissance2014
    @Ukraineaissance2014 Рік тому +2

    I saw a video yesterday of Ukrainian troops doing FIBUA training with old SA80s

  • @purpking6000
    @purpking6000 Рік тому +2

    I really want one of them M70's

  • @PiperX1X
    @PiperX1X Рік тому +4

    Great video I served in Yorkshire's finest X1X many years ago when I had a full head of hair and all my own teeth! And I'm always asked if I had my time again would I do it again and my answer is always yes. You became part of a huge family and a band of brothers, and sisters who you could trust your life with which is a lot more than can be said of today's society!

    • @jimmyjohnson7027
      @jimmyjohnson7027 Рік тому +2

      I was with 2RRF when we took over from your lot in Bosnia.

  • @MM0IMC
    @MM0IMC Рік тому +3

    It's weird seeing a British soldier holding an AK variant.

  • @alancox5777
    @alancox5777 Рік тому +43

    Makes me upset knowing just how many AK variants I have destroyed around the world ( balklands, Iraq and afghan ) for the British army and now they are buying them 🫣

    • @MostlyPennyCat
      @MostlyPennyCat Рік тому +19

      There's no shortage of AKs.
      Destroying them is only ever a good thing, it's not like the ones you destroyed were property of a disciplined state military.
      You've done sterling work.

    • @alancox5777
      @alancox5777 Рік тому +7

      @@MostlyPennyCat some of them were in really nice condition though. Ok most were pieces of shit. But some of them 🫶🏼

    • @pieterwillembotha6719
      @pieterwillembotha6719 Рік тому +1

      @@MostlyPennyCat what is called storage

    • @user-ue4nq3kc3j
      @user-ue4nq3kc3j Рік тому +15

      I saw photos of UN forces destroying WW2 weapons like Thompsons, PPSH, MG42, MP40 in Bosnia.
      Just sad, they could have been saved by museums.

    • @josedorsaith5261
      @josedorsaith5261 Рік тому +9

      Not to mention all the rifles they destroyed that once belonged to law-abiding British citizens

  • @matthayward7889
    @matthayward7889 Рік тому +3

    Re. The rifles being chambered for 7.62x39mm. AFAIK a lot of those bullpup AKs used by Ukrainian SF were in 7.62 too

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  Рік тому +4

      Yeah there's definitely 7.62x39 AKs in use across the spectrum

    • @matthayward7889
      @matthayward7889 Рік тому

      @@TheArmourersBench I’m not really qualified to speculate, but I imagine It’s better for barrier penetration etc too.
      Thanks for all these updates, it’s good to know the UK is helping where we can

  • @hoppinggnomethe4154
    @hoppinggnomethe4154 Рік тому +2

    I'd like to have those Yugo's

  • @MDR-hn2yz
    @MDR-hn2yz Рік тому +14

    I have to be honest, if I was going forward, with limited resources and support, I would absolutely choose an AK.
    Too bad i don’t own one🇺🇸

  • @PowermadNavigator
    @PowermadNavigator Рік тому +2

    I have not seen the Hungarian ones in action, as already mentioned, the Zastava ones need no introduction - the Serbian factories make excellent rifles and these were likely in good working order when purchased. The East German ones, if domestically produced, should also be in decent order.
    Though AKs can go for some time without maintenance, regular such would likely still be required, hopefully carried out.
    This probably means that Ukraine is having trouble training troops currently. Understandable, I guess... even for the resilience they have shown so far.
    And they are going to need every bit of that resilience and help before this completely tragic embarrassment of a war is over...

  • @automanic76
    @automanic76 Рік тому

    can you render your videos with louder audio please? i can barely hear your videos on my laptop speakers.

  • @davidodonovan1699
    @davidodonovan1699 Рік тому

    Thank God

  • @dingo2293
    @dingo2293 Рік тому +1

    That is a zastava m 70 from yugoslavia

  • @donwyoming1936
    @donwyoming1936 Рік тому +7

    After chewing up their cheeks & shoulders on these 7.62 under-folders, shooting an AK-74 will be a pleasant surprise.

  • @enriquetachias920
    @enriquetachias920 Рік тому

    You should do a video on the Zastava m77 rifle, it’s an ak platform chambered in 308 NATO

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  Рік тому

      Absolutely, I'll wait till I can strip one on camera. The whole M70 family is really interesting.

    • @97MrBlues
      @97MrBlues Рік тому +1

      @@TheArmourersBench Zastava AKs are best AKs.

  • @paddy-ov4cc
    @paddy-ov4cc Рік тому +2

    I wonder if some of the AKs are old IRA and loyalist guns kept in storage?

  • @exmoorfarmer4880
    @exmoorfarmer4880 Рік тому

    For anyone who has been there that's an unmistakable range.

  • @2000rayc
    @2000rayc Рік тому

    them not training is 545 makes a big difference. yes its the same gun. but the way that round drops over distance is very different

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  Рік тому +1

      Hopefully once they're issued their service rifles when they're back in UK they'll get a little time to get aquainted with their AK74s.

  • @1chish
    @1chish Рік тому

    That Corporal's moustache at the start was very nearly Royal Marines standard ...
    Joking aside these recruits are getting the very best training to keep them as safe and as lethal as possible. God bless them all and well done the Army.

  • @wilderbeestmcc6539
    @wilderbeestmcc6539 Рік тому +3

    Brilliant work👍🇬🇧

  • @richardlahan7068
    @richardlahan7068 Рік тому +1

    Makes sense. That's the most common type of weapon they will have access to in that part of the world. An AK47 field strips and operates exactly like an AK74.

  • @donlucchese7280
    @donlucchese7280 Рік тому +1

    These M70 came from Croatian Army stockpiles.

  • @TheChickenLine
    @TheChickenLine Рік тому +2

    Ukraine produces its own 5.45 ammunition…every rifle I used, in the three months I was over there, was chambered for 5.45…
    For certain reasons; I can’t go into detail, but 5.45 is what they need to stick with at this stage in the war.
    Other weapons, H&K, Glock…came in from Poland and even Lithuania…
    I also carried a Makarov for my sidearm, I was one of the very few foreign fighters who carried one, being reserved only for Ukrainian Officers.

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  Рік тому +1

      Yeah, I don't think there's any plan to move to 7.62x39, if they eventually transition to anything I think it'll be 5.56 for obvious reasons.

  • @Samuel070793
    @Samuel070793 Рік тому +5

    UK bought these AKs probably from Croatia.

  • @HiPhi1975
    @HiPhi1975 Рік тому

    somebody should teach them to properly adjust their plate carriers to cover their vitals! in my opinion their backplates seat way too low.

  • @cobbler40
    @cobbler40 Рік тому

    Blimey they are replacing the SA 80 early !

  • @ragingmonk6080
    @ragingmonk6080 Рік тому +1

    U.S. Army is swtiching their kit and there are a ton of 5.56mm weapons available. Using FMJ's they eat body armor for breakfast

  • @kevinpeterwareham8131
    @kevinpeterwareham8131 Рік тому

    early june/july?

  • @DickHolman
    @DickHolman Рік тому

    ~ 1:58 "Orrible Ivan". :D

  • @reubendobbs8011
    @reubendobbs8011 Рік тому +3

    Probably ammo available in quantity

  • @laj8401
    @laj8401 Рік тому +1

    British Advisors
    +10 division organization
    +5 division defence

  • @gregbrown4009
    @gregbrown4009 Рік тому +1

    AK's? OK!

  • @ArnoSchmidt70
    @ArnoSchmidt70 Рік тому +21

    AK 47 is more difficult to shoot than AK 74 because of more recoil. With the same manual of arms it makes sense to train with the more difficult gun.

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  Рік тому +2

      Yeah, very true!

    • @ratagris21
      @ratagris21 Рік тому +1

      If it's an AK you can use it. They need to train to be multi-caliber shooters.

    • @ArnoSchmidt70
      @ArnoSchmidt70 Рік тому

      @@ratagris21 We're not in Afghanistan. These are real soldiers and they have to hit what they shoot at. That's a bit more difficult than just know how to load a magazin and pull a trigger.

    • @Staryanuke
      @Staryanuke Рік тому +1

      heh, it's really not that difficult to shoot, it's just different. Just takes a split second more to bring the muzzle down on target for successive shot.

    • @ratagris21
      @ratagris21 Рік тому +2

      @@Staryanuke yes, remember it's so simple even a child can use it, and they do - Victor Orlof - Lord of War.

  • @sideshow4417
    @sideshow4417 Рік тому

    1:10 holy safety violation batman

  • @pernykvist3442
    @pernykvist3442 Рік тому +1

    They aint so expensive gets
    Even cheaper If you buy plenty.

  • @docternoblex
    @docternoblex Рік тому

    Makes me wonder why more countries don’t acquire more foreign pattern weapons, I see the US and their OPFOR units with AK platform rifles and PKMs all the time(granted they have been modded or designed to use common ammunition for the most part, though I think some are unchanged), why not more of this?

    • @davidhouseman4328
      @davidhouseman4328 Рік тому +1

      Small numbers are acquired for special forces so they can pick up an use whats available. Theres not much point if your not going to use them.

    • @docternoblex
      @docternoblex Рік тому

      @@davidhouseman4328 i mean, training units for foreign threats seems like a great reason to have those weapons on hand, train the way you fight

    • @davidhouseman4328
      @davidhouseman4328 Рік тому +1

      @@docternoblex There is going to be little to no difference made by changing the assault rifle of simulated opposition.

    • @baneofbanes
      @baneofbanes Рік тому

      @@docternoblex yah battlefield pickups are pretty rear. If you’re in a pitched firefight better to just keep using your issues rifle

  • @breadman32398
    @breadman32398 Рік тому +3

    I hope those M70ab2s stay in the UK. They look cool but suck to shoot. The wood stock ones would be a better choice.

    • @vlaricshard2
      @vlaricshard2 Рік тому +5

      the AB2's would fit in alright with mechanized and armored troops though.

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  Рік тому +2

      Yeah seen a lot of folding stock AKs with artillery units too

    • @p03saucez
      @p03saucez Рік тому

      @@vlaricshard2 Underfolder AK stocks are absolute crap. Fixed or sidefolder stocks are the way.

    • @vlaricshard2
      @vlaricshard2 Рік тому +1

      @@p03saucez pretty sure this would be a case of "beggars can't be choosers"

    • @baneofbanes
      @baneofbanes Рік тому

      @@p03saucez better than no AK.

  • @dave_724
    @dave_724 Рік тому

    They’ve good kit given to them it’s ashame they’ve got to fight with AK pattern rifles in Ukraine

  • @damirsirotic052
    @damirsirotic052 Рік тому

    In this video they are using Yugoslav M-70.

  • @reubendobbs8011
    @reubendobbs8011 Рік тому +2

    Are you still interested in training manuals?

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  Рік тому +2

      Absolutely, just filmed a couple of videos looking at some.

    • @reubendobbs8011
      @reubendobbs8011 Рік тому +1

      I have a field engineer manual your welcome too, demolition etc

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  Рік тому +1

      @@reubendobbs8011 thanks Reuben! that would be really interesting, drop me an email armourersbench@gmail.com

  • @sqr2024
    @sqr2024 Рік тому

    But they are not using 7.62x39 in the fight.

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  Рік тому

      There are some who use 7.62x39, but yes, most use 5.45.

    • @baneofbanes
      @baneofbanes Рік тому

      But they are using the AK platform.

  • @JiTiAr35
    @JiTiAr35 Рік тому

    Why not AK-74?
    The recoil and the accuracy is pretty different.
    And yes, Ukrainian force use AK-74 style rifle.

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  Рік тому

      I think it boils down to rifle and ammunition availability but the MoD didn't comment on this despite me asking about it.

  • @beachboy0505
    @beachboy0505 Рік тому

    Only very professional soldiers can handle the SA80,
    But it is always good to have a stock of AK47
    They can shoot through walls and trees 🌳

  • @matthewsierleja2193
    @matthewsierleja2193 Рік тому +1

    using an east german ak for training is a tragic waist of rare variant that should be sold to purchase the multiple new ak s one is worth

  • @terrynewsome6698
    @terrynewsome6698 Рік тому +2

    Welp, time to empty the police contraband lockers here in the USA. That should be enough to out fit about half a million right there.

    • @baneofbanes
      @baneofbanes Рік тому

      Yah there’s a lot of guns I’d want to go to war with over a hipoint.

  • @Tbone1492
    @Tbone1492 Рік тому +1

    What happened to all the donated firearms that were donated in the beginning? They got Tens of thousands of firearms!

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  Рік тому +4

      They're in Ukraine, these are in the UK being used to train troops while they're here.

    • @theotherohlourdespadua1131
      @theotherohlourdespadua1131 Рік тому

      "Tens of thousands" is not enough when the very invasion force is theoretically over 100,000 strong. The Allies of WW2 didn't stop production of any and all weapons systems just because they reached millions, they stopped only because they achieved victory and peace over the enemy. It's madness to think that "tens of thousands" is sufficient to stop an invasion...

    • @baneofbanes
      @baneofbanes Рік тому

      Tens of thousands is a drop in the bucket of the amount of firearms Ukraine needs.

  • @roceye
    @roceye Рік тому

    What's the chances that some of their trainers are Ghurkas?

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  Рік тому +2

      I wouldn't be surprised if there are some Ghurkas in there somewhere.

  • @RandomJunk99
    @RandomJunk99 Рік тому +1

    The proof house was full of AKs, so they obviously proofed everything before starting!

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  Рік тому +1

      Perhaps so, I heard this a few weeks ago from a friend too.

  • @joshcqc7
    @joshcqc7 Рік тому

    Just give them the l85a3s

  • @theoriginaldylangreene
    @theoriginaldylangreene Рік тому +1

    The most shocking thing about this is that the British government had to actually buy them. Why not just dig up one of those nice housing estates with the big white X's painted on the grass?

    • @baneofbanes
      @baneofbanes Рік тому

      Almost like the British government went around a scrapping everyone’s guns a few decades back.

  • @AdamOwenBrowning
    @AdamOwenBrowning Рік тому +28

    You just know that in 100 years some bloody lucky American is going to have a Zastava AK with British proof marks on it and we can't even buy them aaaaaaa
    Centrefire cartridges are of course, a threat to all human existence.

    • @richardb8157
      @richardb8157 Рік тому +3

      Come join us in our free (that may change soon) nation and exercise your love for the AK weapon system.

    • @MostlyPennyCat
      @MostlyPennyCat Рік тому

      @@richardb8157
      Uh huh, have you seen the immigration system?
      I think I'll just buy lottery tickets instead, I have a much better chance!
      Actually what's better is going to Canada. MUCH easier to achieve, you need a skill but it's just a form.
      Also I believe your 'Supreme Court' has moved on from women's freedom to All Your Freedom, targeting the part of your Constitution that's the equivalent of a Democracy Ebola Landmine.

    • @pieterwillembotha6719
      @pieterwillembotha6719 Рік тому +2

      You're British? I seem to recall a time in your history in the 13th century where a certain King thought he could trample on the rights of the English People, but ended up being BTFO'd and was forced to sign a humiliating document stating that he, the King, was not above the law. Gosh, how am I not ever to remember the specific details of that event?

    • @MostlyPennyCat
      @MostlyPennyCat Рік тому

      @@pieterwillembotha6719
      Back when we started the long road to freedom and democracy you mean? Indeed.
      The difference is we don't go backwards.
      You removed rights to bodily autonomy
      You've attacked your Establishment Clause
      You've attacked your 4th and 5th by weakening Miranda
      And now they're attacking your 1965 Voting Rights Act.
      The equivalent can't happen here, if they tried we'd paint the city red.
      But they wouldn't try because they damn well know they exercise power at our discretion.
      But most importantly, it would never happen here because we know right from wrong and we _enforce_ this. Not with guns or violence but simply by doing the right thing.
      Take rights to an elective abortion and their privacy. People can protest against these rights all they like, we will never ever change this because it would be an act of moral repugnancy unheard of since the middle ages.

    • @pieterwillembotha6719
      @pieterwillembotha6719 Рік тому

      @@MostlyPennyCat Oh right, like when Harold Wilson supplied weaponry to Nigeria to slaughter Biafrans? Or when ol' Harry supplied surface to air missiles and radar equipment to terrorists in Rhodesia? I could go on, but the hypocrisy would go in one ear and out the other. Sadly, Britain is no different from America where it comes to finally ridding itself of its respective tyrannies.
      Oh, I nearly forgotten about how not only were the mass rapes of white British girls were ignored by both labour and tory governments, but were actually silenced through fear of lawfare (all in the name of diversity and inclusion, eh?).
      Both You, the British, and the Americans, are cowards, and only differ in how they rationalise the yokes which have been placed around their necks.

  • @kevinpeterwareham8131
    @kevinpeterwareham8131 Рік тому +1

    would prefer them to spend the money on fixing our power stations so i dont freeze and starve to death this winter.

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  Рік тому

      They could afford to do both but that's not in their narrative.

    • @mikhail-yug-9581
      @mikhail-yug-9581 Рік тому

      Are you a proxy war yourself? No? Then they won't invest that money into you.
      (Sarcasm put aside, I'm sorry to hear your situation, I hope you'll be alright, mate.)

  • @josefh503
    @josefh503 Рік тому

    its zastava m70 ak

  • @countryman4691
    @countryman4691 Рік тому

    Notice the preferred rifle in Ukraine is the dependable AK.

  • @notmenotme614
    @notmenotme614 Рік тому +2

    I wonder who they are buying them from. Somebody is making a lot of money out of supplying Ukraine 🤑

    • @baneofbanes
      @baneofbanes Рік тому

      Yah that’s how capitalism works.

  • @anishchand4420
    @anishchand4420 Рік тому

    Ukraine produce their Own version of AK 47 and AK 74. Couldn't England give them SA80 or older FN FAL rifles ?

    • @Aron-ru5zk
      @Aron-ru5zk Рік тому +1

      No SLRs left in UK armouries, all the good ones were sold to commonwealth African countries in the 90s and the rest were scrapped.
      I guess they could give them SA80s but they don’t have a very good reputation even though the a2 and a3 are good rifles.
      Also these are just for UK forces to train Ukrainians with, because training them on L85s when they will be using AK74s is not ideal.

  • @Punisher9419
    @Punisher9419 Рік тому +5

    Seems a bit weird to buy AK47's and not 74's considering in Ukraine 5.45 is the most used cartridge.

    • @tommyguns4018
      @tommyguns4018 Рік тому +10

      5.45 most used in Russia. 7.62x39 and 5.45 both used in Ukraine.

    • @Retrosicotte
      @Retrosicotte Рік тому

      They aren't taking the weapons back with them, and the general motions and feel are the same. 5.45s are generally busy being shoveled into Ukraine for actual use!

    • @BrowncoatNerd
      @BrowncoatNerd Рік тому +9

      If they’re specifically buying from Serbia they have no option. Zastava never built an AK74 variant. Serbia to this day still uses 7.62x39.

    • @charlesadams7862
      @charlesadams7862 Рік тому +9

      If you can handle the 7.62x39 you will master the 5.45.

    • @andrew2353
      @andrew2353 Рік тому +6

      7.62 AKs are much more common outside Russia and large quantities of surplus rifles and ammo can be readily acquired much faster.

  • @user-sj6ny3vs5b
    @user-sj6ny3vs5b Рік тому

    Are Chinese AK rifles of poor quality? I remember that Finland also bought Chinese AKs

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  Рік тому +3

      They definitely have a reputation but milage varies regarding quality from what I've read/heard.

    • @baneofbanes
      @baneofbanes Рік тому

      Don’t know about actual type 56’s but comercial AKs meant for the civilian market available in the US back in the 80’s we’re of good quality.

  • @panthermartin7784
    @panthermartin7784 Рік тому +1

    Nicholas Cage be proud.........

  • @justeliashere
    @justeliashere Рік тому

    How will the Ukrainians know which gunfire is the enemy if both sides use aks and 7.62x39?

    • @TheArmourersBench
      @TheArmourersBench  Рік тому +13

      Incoming fire sounds quite different from outgoing rifle fire regardless of calibre. Plus, the Russians don't use 7.62x39mm.

    • @justeliashere
      @justeliashere Рік тому +1

      @@TheArmourersBench ah

  • @EdwardPCampbell
    @EdwardPCampbell Рік тому

    No worries about the instructors being shot in the back, like what happened in the totally wasted Coalition effort to train Afghans.

  • @lawrencelebreton6720
    @lawrencelebreton6720 Рік тому

    These are all very heavy guns in weight

  • @user-sj6ny3vs5b
    @user-sj6ny3vs5b Рік тому

    So Ukraine has run out of Soviet-era AK rifles?

  • @John-mf6ky
    @John-mf6ky Рік тому

    2:59
    Assuming shes a translator? Lol

  • @JohnDoe-eo8ux
    @JohnDoe-eo8ux Рік тому

    Hope they learn how to zero them properly

    • @baneofbanes
      @baneofbanes Рік тому

      Yah I’m pretty sure they did.

  • @markielarkie445
    @markielarkie445 Рік тому

    2.3billion as the the nhs is on its kness well worth it😂

  • @donovanbent2824
    @donovanbent2824 Рік тому

    why did they blank out faces of these men but not the faces of the afgans army training ?

  • @unusedsub3003
    @unusedsub3003 Рік тому

    So they sanction me and buy some new toys for Olof and Sergei. This country!!!!

  • @ripoutyourintestines5099
    @ripoutyourintestines5099 Рік тому +1

    Not only are they being trained by the UK they could be getting trained by Dutch Marines. Those were the guys that messed up US forces in a war game like it was nothing.
    They’re gonna go home good fighters.

    • @baneofbanes
      @baneofbanes Рік тому

      They’re also being trained by the Finns.

  • @97MrBlues
    @97MrBlues Рік тому +2

    The thought of Orcs getting killed by rifles and ammo made in my country is a damn good feeling. Slava Ukrajini and get some!

  • @raylp4751
    @raylp4751 Рік тому

    Got them from Russia direct apparently.

  • @geezerp1982
    @geezerp1982 Рік тому +1

    Zestava also make uk civlian legal AKs in 5.56 nato