Ukraine’s Tavors [Fort-221 / Fort-224]
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- Опубліковано 14 лип 2024
- In 2008 Ukrainian state enterprise RPC Fort entered into a partnership with Israel's IWI to offer Tavor rifles - the Fort-221 and Fort-224 have since been seen during the fighting.
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Thanks for watching guys, usual caveats about my terrible pronunciation of place names applies I'm afraid. - Matt
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Ukraine's National Guard is part of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, which is why they have most of the IWI variants sold by Fort. Fort is owned by the Ministry of Internal Affairs and produces handcuffs, riot control rifles, police side arms, etc.
That makes sense thank you!
The hand guards on the Ak seen at 5:15 is made by a Ukrainian company called Crook. I own an Ak in all crook furniture it is top notch.
So in the Ukrainian supply chain there is now 7.62x25 Tok, 9mm Makarov, 9mm NATO, 5.56, 5.45, 7.62x39, 7.62x51, 7.62x54r, .338 Lapua, .50BMG and 12.7mm Russian as well. Deployment and reinforcement must be shaped by who drew what weapons in the geographic small arms lottery. Its a storemans nightmare.
oh, logistics a definitely a mess for us. And gonna be even more difficult as we get more weapons from different countries... Still, better this than no weapons at all :)
@@TheFivetimesdead It will get easier as more and more NATO small arms are being supplied. Even the Polish PKs are 7.62x51 these days.
Transition to NATO calibers is painful, but necessary, since we don't produce USSR calibers and will run out of them eventually.
its typical when your country is short on weaponry hopefully ukraine will become a nato member and they can go to standardized caliber with nato.
Most likely 95% of calibres are 7.62×39mm, 5.45×39mm and 7.62×54R with the rest being niche. If Ukraine had one million AK-74-type rifles alone outnumber all other rifles combined except perhaps thed AKM, which again, just will use the common 7.62×39mm.
I had been wondering how ubiquitous Tavors actually are in the Ukraine military rn after seeing them in various photos. Thank you for making this as it helped satiate my curiosity lol
Thanks Travis, glad you found it interesting!
A ukranian friend of mine told me that the Fort 224 9mm SMGs and semi auto carbines are both weapons used by Police forces
That would make sense. Thank you!
@@TheArmourersBench afaik, those guns have been given to rear line troops as a form of armament. especially for militias
If you own a Tavor, you can buy a conversion kit to 9mm
Part of the reason that I purchased a Tavor SAR-21 in 2013 was that IWI-US would make a 5.45x39 conversion kit for it (bought cheap and stacked deep) I suspect IWI-US had prior notice of the 7n6 ban because they quietly dropped that option blaming lack of suitable magazines, which was absurd as I had been running a 5.45 AR for years with no problems with the ASC magazines.
How could you purchase a SAR-21? There's a SAR (semi Auto) and a TAR-21 (select fire). A SAR-21 doesn't exist, besides the fact that a select fire Tavor would have to be a dealer sample. I own a SAR in 5.56 and the TG was so bad out of the box that I replaced it with the TG from an X-95 (per IWI)-John in Texas
5.45 AR, really??? 👀
Love this weapon, I tried shooting at the field shooting gallery. Surprisingly comfortable and accurate.
I was wrong, I was referring to Malyuk/Vulcan-M. Not Fort.
This whole thing going over some of the Fort designations is enlightening. The first firearm id ever heard of with the designation was the fort 12 because of Stalker.
Yeah same here...stalker was my first introduction to fort
As usual you always cover interesting stuff thank you sir.
Thank you and thanks for watching, glad you found it interesting!
This is an excellent channel for weapons nerds like myself. Thank you for the work you do. I really enjoy your videos!
Brilliant! Thanks for making a video on this - I've been waiting to see your take on it
Thank you Jose, glad you found it interesting!
@@TheArmourersBench
You're one of the few channels that manages to squeeze a lot of information into a concise video. Keep up the good work!
It would be interesting to watch a video about FORT pistols. Especially FORT-28. Like.
The logistics of all these calibers must be a nightmare!!! I think 5.56 was most likely a lean towards NATO but I imagine they had stocks piles of 7.62x39 and 5.45 to use up. It might make sense for them to TRY as best they can standardise to help their resupply effort.
Several Central European countries still have 7.62 Soviet and 5.45 commercial production lines up and running, so its still possible to supply Ukraine in those calibers, but not sure if they can do so in the quantities needed. Plus they still had soviet stockpiles they emptied, but I'm sure that's getting close to the end.
Love this video! Thank you!
Thanks! great video!
Seems like good second weapon for a marksman/sniper
Very cool love these
Ukraine made a rifle similar in design to the Scar based on the AR-18 (Fort 250), but it was not yet ready, even on the Internet and there are materials on it
Yes they did. I recall reading about it.
Brilliant detail and no "edutainment" fluff. Cheers.
Cool video. I wonder what the distribution of 5.45 X 39 is relative to 7.62 X 39 in Ukraine?
Thanks Ian, definitely leans towards more 5.45 from what I've seen but still lots of 7.62, especially with the Territorial Defence Force units.
National guard was equiped with 5.45, 7.62 might be for SSO
Current army is mostly on 5.45, although busting the military stocks amidst mobilization did bring up a lot of older AKMs in 7.62
With the move to western equipment, they might gradually switch to 5.56 in the future
@@timmteller871 I think that's fairly likely. There was talk of it even prewar.
I have both the X95 and the Galil ACE in 5.56... they're ok firearms.
I had a old school Galil from the 70s, it was a meme gun at best
Just ok?
@@theprotagonist8755 I mean they are fun, but nothing special.
Ukraine's tavors? Very interesting
Very interesting.
I love my Tavor
All Fort / IWI rifles disappeared from the Fort website some time last year. Apparently, or so it has been said, Israelis were somewhat unhappy with licensed products and pulled off the license.
Yes, tracked that, seems a strong possibility.
Fort Makes All kinds of guns from self defense rubber ball shooting pistols to live pistols and Ak74s. There are other Arms manufacturers that make domestic Ukrainian Ar10s and other arms for hunting
Mmmmm that trigger safety in the last picture 👌👌
Nice "totenkopf" patch too -.-
So someone managed to find the elusive galatz in the recent photos? Noice
Haha yes, only other photo I've seen was inside a captured UA depot armoury. Thanks for watching
This a great summary. Terrible nomenclature from Fort!
Thanks Jonathan! Yes, a bit confusing, it's close to logical I can see what they're going for haha
For some reason I don't have access to RPC Fort site anymore. Really liked their pistols.
Yes, I accessed via archive.org because the site was down at the time of making this video.
nice video, although you should look a bit into pronunciation of Ukrainian cities :)
🤷♂️ Tried! Thanks for watching!
Make a Video on Indian Made Tavors , Negev lmg and Galtaz sniper rifles
I would love to but the company that assembles them hasn't given a great deal of information. The IWI weapons in service I believe were made in Israel. If there's some good sources let me know!
Secondly I have some pics of Indian Made AKMs also with their original sources
You guys play and remember COD:Modern Warfare 2?
And Russian using Tar-21? Well probably captured from Ukraine (please don't take this seriously)
6:01 "zebra hezia power plant"......lmao
Haha, the usual caveat of I am trying but I can't pronounce things for shit applies.
@@TheArmourersBench Was it Zaporozhskaya/Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant in the original form?
@@TheArmourersBench Google Translate is a godsend...
Any reports from the field of how well they are liked by the troops vs a malyuk or standard ak74?
Not yet, I need to start trying to speak to Ukrainian service personnel but a little tricky.
@@TheArmourersBench as ukrainian who was at «Зброя та безпека exhibition» i was able to talk about that
1)Fort-221/224 are bad with 5.45x39 corrosive ammo you need to clean gun more often also in complect you get only 4-5 magazines for ammo which is not enough you need 7-8
2)IPI Vulcan had problems in erlier models (with ak style fire control switch) 2019 version got rid of them i personally would say it feel more compact (weight evenly dispersed) with much better back up sight for more info you need to talk directly with user
for what i know it get new barrel (brand new not from ak fresh design that greatly improved accuracy)
Thank you Michael, interesting point on the 5.45 ammo, the Tavor was designed around 5.56 after all.
@@michaelhamar3305 that sounds fishy. The Tavor may be the easiest rifle to clean corrosive priming residue from of any I have handled. Part of the reason I was anticipating the 5.45x39 conversion kit was the ease of cleaning the rifle compared to an AR and even more so the AK.
@@dbmail545 i think his point was that cleaning is a pain no matter what, but that with corrosive there is a required timeframe that needs to be met after firing. It doesn't matter if you shoot one magazine or 12, still pretty much full disassembly would be needed
IWI have the same deal with India and other countries. For example, an Indian factory makes them for the Indian Army.
Yes they do. I've enquired with the Indian partner company but they have never confirmed how much production happens locally.
Wonder if the factory is still running/standing
India has imported IWI tavor for usd 5000 per bullpup rifle. It is sold exuberant expensive and cannot of compete with a Ak-47/74 either 7.92x39 or 5.45x39 krinikov
Can we get the links to the old websites?
Absolutely, you can access all archived copies of the site here - web.archive.org/web/*/www.fort.vn.ua
Big question I'm thinking of is how they are handling the corrosive surplus 5.45
Apparently not well. A guy in the comments above mentions it
I would put that down to poor training. The Tavor is easier to clean with water than an AK in my personal experience. I bought my Tavor in 2013 because IWI-US announced that they would be making a 5.45x39 conversion kit for it and I had goodly stash of corrosively primed 7n6 to shoot. They dropped that option BEFORE the 7n6 ban so I suspect that they had inside information that the ban was coming.
I associate a Ukrainian with a S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
Interesting how much blood was spilled from the ears of people that heard pronunciation of ukrainian cities names from this video .....
Apologies, I won't try in future. Thanks for watching.
@@TheArmourersBench nah man, I am Ukrainian and I am really grateful that you tried to pronounce it. Ukrainian words are kind of hard to pronounce, but your take was quite close :) Keep it up!
@@TheArmourersBench yeah, trying is goodier than simply surrendering at something at first sign that it's not working like you would like it to be.
Thank you!! Appreciate that. Don't worry I was kidding, I'll keep at it. No excuse for English-speakers not to at least true in my opinion. Thanks for watching.
Thank you, I'll keep at it! Thanks for watching!
No backup irons? That's ekhmm interesting.
Embedded in the top rail!
@@TheArmourersBench That's even more interesting, I need to take a closer look at this babe.
@@ifyoudontfailyouarenoteven6210 yeah it's pretty neat sights, it folds down into the rail itself and it's flush and also doesn't get in the way of Mounting something even where it folds down. Only Problem I see with it is that it looks very fragile, I imagine it would bend very easily if banged around
Those embedded sights also have tritium glow in for night shooting.
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Hmm?
Everytime i ask about ukrainian tavor, people always said its malyuk🤦♂️
TAKE MY MONEY !!!
Slava Ukraine 🇺🇦
again with the bullpups?
They like them!
Bullpups fit in vehicles really well while retaining muzzle energy. SMG length standard format rifles leave something to be desired in the rolling country side of Ukraine. Loud. Lots of muzzle flash and not great accuracy beyond a few hundred meters.
Probably corruption and kickbacks. Ukraine has around one million AK-74s and possibly as many AKMs in the 5.45×39mm and 7.62×39mm calibres and switching calibres or rifle would be needlessly expensive especially at a time of war. It would make much more sense to upgrade existing rifles in service.
Frankly no. The AK is a dated design.
@@baneofbanes
Hardly.
@@MrBahjatt you can cope all you want but doesn’t change the facts.
@@baneofbanes
It remains the weapon of choice for most SF and the armies who have trials. The current conflict (and others) show that most given a choice prefer an AK.
them sso boys got no sights on their rifles
bullpup triggers are the pits & i can tell how bad that one is by looking at it
6:36 brave men of the Misanthropic Division! 14 0/
What?
@@baneofbanes the men at 6:25 til about 6:36 are members of the Misanthropic Division. A brave nationalist division that has handed the russians many losses
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Slava Ukraini.
Ask Indian army how much they love this weapon.
Ukraine is good guys. Israel is good guys. Makes sense.
so write Isreals Tavors 221 that are given to Ukraine
Interestingly the Israelis are taking the Tavor rifle out of frontline service, and replaced by stocks of M4 rifles.
The Israeli News Channel ( strictly security).mention this a couple of months ago, and I presume this is still in I24 archive.
I remember that. They denied this to be the case following that report so it remains to be seen!
I suspect that what has really happened is that surplus M4s were transferred to Israel after the US exit from Iraq and Afghanistan - which is exactly what happened with M16A1s and CAR15s after the US departure from Vietnam. So many in fact that the Galil program stopped being cost effective as the Colt rifles were free.
Probably with the US aid they can get free M-4s (They can use the US aid only on American products).
Also, IWI came out with the IWI Carmel. I wonder if the IDF will adopt them.
I doubt they’ll change everyone to the m4. They had m4s before and decided to switch. Though not everyone switched. The paratroopers still us the m4 for example. And the coed units usually also use the m4.
@@bennywolfe4357 They had a mish mash of M16A1s and CAR15s that had been continually rebuilt and upgraded into the 2000's. They didn't have "M4" carbines they had a lot of weapons rebuilt to that spec.
made in isreal why?
Why not?…
I hope ukraine fought off the russians and then maybe we could import some of these weapons for ourselves.
приму такой в подарок
what position did Hunter hold in that Ukrainian gun company you said? 😂
None
Only 500 rifles were produced in Ukraine.
Theres videos of AZOV using tavors... Lmao
How much originality! You can appreciate the great differences that make it unique. . .
*Sarcasm off.
Ironic as fuck if the azov brigade is using guns designed/made by a country of Jewish people
Even more ironic than that theres quite a few Jews in the unit itself.
it's not ironic that you're a deer
Proves not nazis
UKROPI GOMIKI
Pedorussia
@@_Nazar_ GONDON HOHLAYSKI
@@user-rn7vi1ql1b бомж в бомж стране ни на что не способной
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Well it seems this war is going to finally give the Russian army more weapon sights. Judging from the massive amounts that are captured week by week and the inevitable outcome of this war.
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@@bob-wo3ir yeah you're right the Russians have captured tons of these aswell. Just like javelins and other NATO equipment.
It's a war, kit is inevitably lost by both sides. Given the sheer numbers involved its unsurprising.
@@painfultruth1846 not our fault you don’t understand how war works.
But yes you are right that the Russian army is primarily made up of degenerates like looters and pedophiles.
russia is capturing small arms, while Ukrainians are capturing tanks XD