The fact that Raven is down there doesn't mean he's a bad character, but rather that he's below the other characters, and that's true in my opinion. The Raven player needs to put in a lot of effort and take a lot of risk to do what most characters do with half the effort and almost no risk. Once the opponent knows the match-up, there's nothing in Raven's arsenal that's scary, oppressive, or that Raven can abuse to demand respect from the opponent without running the risk of being at least -14 or losing the turn. Considering the effort that Raven demands from the player to have so little in a game with characters that do much more with less effort, it's fair that he's there. I repeat, him being there doesn't mean he's a bad character, but rather that he's below the others, and that's true.
In terms of Tier list: (left/strong->right/weaker) S+: Nina, Drag, Jin, Yoshi, Law S: Alisa, King, Xiaoyu, Heihachi, Lili, Feng, Victor A+: Bryan, Kazuya, Reina A: Lee (Just my thoughts on few characters, not everyone, I haven't played everyone nor played against everyone)
I think a tier placement discussion would be interesting 🤔 Respectfully I think about what the clear high and top tiers get away with that Leroy can not do, and I think he is lower mid? I watch you, King Jae, and Dustiel and would think based on at least Dustiel and Jae's commentary on how difficult it is to get GoD rank and play Leroy that he would not be placed as high? That and tournament results are sadly lacking for Leroy at this point? Appreciate the content as always 🙏 and I mean this as respectful disagreement.
Yeah like outside of those guys we don't have that much Leroy data to go upon I wish Breadman could say something about how strong Leroy is in this game😪
Dude I keep getting so close to Tekken King with Lars and then dropping like another 2k points. Im gonna bash my freaking head through the wall. I want to move on to Feng but I want to be able to say I hit TK with Lars first.
I get your bro It be like that with ranked. The gatekeeping is crazy! Especially when you are on promo..Everyone just turns unto prime Knee🤣 But just keep going bro
True, Lars has fake pressure, every stance is -3 so u can ssr in most cases, jab or generic df1 is also an option but he can high-crush u, so is always better to just ssr and launch, he also got nerfed so u can always RA out of his pressure(but if he hits u and use his fastest option from stance u can't). His best lows are all launchable and his neutral, outside DEN1, is ass, u also don't have any plus moves in neutral, every plus move is locked inside his stances, running and ws. I started playing this character because i hated him, he is annoying af, but he is also cool and outplaying someone with a read feels amazing (fuck his orbital tho, easly top 10 move in the whole game)
King at S+? No way. There's a reason the pros didn't put him in top 5, or even top 10. He's way harder to play than the other S tiers, and doesn't have the cheese they do. IMO.
Jin being higher than hiehachi is crazy everyone complains about Jin’s 214 it’s not bad considering kings 12 frame heat smash and Leo’s stances or jacks 10 frame heat
Jin's 214 serves a completely different purpose than the other moves you mentioned. The problem is that Jin is always guaranteed a turn if he starts his moves with 21-- jack8 doesn't even have a 10f jab and king struggles to get pressure going from neutral. You just listed random moves. You should get a better understanding of the game before you diss pro player tierlists.
I dont think feng is being downplayed hes just not better than the characters at the top u can even argue law and shaheen being better than feng thats already 7 to 8 characters better than him which takes him out of the s+
@GamerNemy funny thing with this game 1-10 are insanely powerful characters they all can beat eachother on any given day the only exception imo is just the top 5s who is like literally broken and overtuned.... I don't see feng in the same tier as drag,nina,yoshi,Alisa once there's a character that does your job better your not s+ just my take and feng is known for good defense and offense but yoshi does that better than him yoshi has better defensive tools and dmg to match him...noone does yoshis job better noone does Nina's job better noone does drag job better noone does Alisa or jins job better thats y they s+
The fact that Raven is down there doesn't mean he's a bad character, but rather that he's below the other characters, and that's true in my opinion. The Raven player needs to put in a lot of effort and take a lot of risk to do what most characters do with half the effort and almost no risk. Once the opponent knows the match-up, there's nothing in Raven's arsenal that's scary, oppressive, or that Raven can abuse to demand respect from the opponent without running the risk of being at least -14 or losing the turn. Considering the effort that Raven demands from the player to have so little in a game with characters that do much more with less effort, it's fair that he's there. I repeat, him being there doesn't mean he's a bad character, but rather that he's below the others, and that's true.
In terms of Tier list: (left/strong->right/weaker)
S+: Nina, Drag, Jin, Yoshi, Law
S: Alisa, King, Xiaoyu, Heihachi, Lili, Feng, Victor
A+: Bryan, Kazuya, Reina
A: Lee
(Just my thoughts on few characters, not everyone, I haven't played everyone nor played against everyone)
I hope the next DLC will be Julia Chang.
Julia would be cool
I'm actually a huge fan of her
hell nah
What if Jaycee was put in?
Gor me should be either jinpachi or ogre, if not, fahkumom or some guest char
@@kelvinmonteiro6485 I would do anything to get Jinpachi
I think a tier placement discussion would be interesting 🤔
Respectfully I think about what the clear high and top tiers get away with that Leroy can not do, and I think he is lower mid?
I watch you, King Jae, and Dustiel and would think based on at least Dustiel and Jae's commentary on how difficult it is to get GoD rank and play Leroy that he would not be placed as high? That and tournament results are sadly lacking for Leroy at this point?
Appreciate the content as always 🙏 and I mean this as respectful disagreement.
Yeah like outside of those guys we don't have that much Leroy data to go upon
I wish Breadman could say something about how strong Leroy is in this game😪
@GamerNemy Agreed 👍 sir
Dude I keep getting so close to Tekken King with Lars and then dropping like another 2k points. Im gonna bash my freaking head through the wall.
I want to move on to Feng but I want to be able to say I hit TK with Lars first.
I get your bro
It be like that with ranked.
The gatekeeping is crazy! Especially when you are on promo..Everyone just turns unto prime Knee🤣
But just keep going bro
most ppl hate to admit they lose to Lars cause they dont lab and skill issue. but they're not ready for that discussion tho
It's awlays,"lack of matchup knowledge" when they lose to him🤣
Most people say that Jin is S tier, but really their reaction time is just absolute @ss, but they not ready for that discussion tho
Tbf everyone but whoever I am playing as is S tier because I am ass
Thing is Lars is not weak at all. But we must keep spreading trash tier propaganda 🤫
True, Lars has fake pressure, every stance is -3 so u can ssr in most cases, jab or generic df1 is also an option but he can high-crush u, so is always better to just ssr and launch, he also got nerfed so u can always RA out of his pressure(but if he hits u and use his fastest option from stance u can't). His best lows are all launchable and his neutral, outside DEN1, is ass, u also don't have any plus moves in neutral, every plus move is locked inside his stances, running and ws.
I started playing this character because i hated him, he is annoying af, but he is also cool and outplaying someone with a read feels amazing (fuck his orbital tho, easly top 10 move in the whole game)
Im picking up raven as a secondary character your not alone 🌙 🗡️
You sir
Are a man of true culture!🤌🏼
Im trying to hit TK with steve but this wave of zafina that came out of nowhere is holding me back😢
It suck when all of the sudden u get zaf ravens shaheems leo's
I never meet Zafina
King at S+? No way. There's a reason the pros didn't put him in top 5, or even top 10. He's way harder to play than the other S tiers, and doesn't have the cheese they do. IMO.
I'd argue that Nina & Yoshi are harder than King
I'd also argue that d1+2,ffn2,ff1 and df2 cam be considered cheese
Jin being higher than hiehachi is crazy everyone complains about Jin’s 214 it’s not bad considering kings 12 frame heat smash and Leo’s stances or jacks 10 frame heat
Jin's 214 serves a completely different purpose than the other moves you mentioned. The problem is that Jin is always guaranteed a turn if he starts his moves with 21-- jack8 doesn't even have a 10f jab and king struggles to get pressure going from neutral. You just listed random moves. You should get a better understanding of the game before you diss pro player tierlists.
Lo bro what
I dont think feng is being downplayed hes just not better than the characters at the top u can even argue law and shaheen being better than feng thats already 7 to 8 characters better than him which takes him out of the s+
He might not be better than them but he is still S tier good imo
Bro literally has no weaknesses and has every thing you need to succeed in Tekken 8
@GamerNemy funny thing with this game 1-10 are insanely powerful characters they all can beat eachother on any given day the only exception imo is just the top 5s who is like literally broken and overtuned.... I don't see feng in the same tier as drag,nina,yoshi,Alisa once there's a character that does your job better your not s+ just my take and feng is known for good defense and offense but yoshi does that better than him yoshi has better defensive tools and dmg to match him...noone does yoshis job better noone does Nina's job better noone does drag job better noone does Alisa or jins job better thats y they s+