Cara, eu tava pensando a mesma coisa kkkkkk Nem para fazer uma mentira boa, eu acho que é porque tem muito gringo que acha que tode latine é um pessoa racializada, quando ser latine é uma nacionalidade, não uma etnia.
@@lordarthur2165tal vez esqueceu que existem mais países na América Latina do que o México. E também acha que todos os Mexicanos somos cafés (marroes?) -_- Erro típico de gringos racistas. (Me desculpe pelo meu português, ainda estou aprendendo)
@@beksfue5937 sim, é sempre muito engraçado quando eles acham que a gente é tudo a mesma coisa, quando dentro de um mesmo país é cheio de variações regionais. Aliás, você está indo bem no português! Só a palavra marrom que você errou, o plural de marrom é marrons e a o "mexicanos somos cafés", acho que a terceira pessoa ("são" ao invés de "somos") se encaixaria melhor. Mas não se preocupe que dá para entender perfeitamente o que você quiz dizer, meus parabéns, aprender outra língua é difícil.
I got so confused because I’m not a regular participant in booktok but I am a theater nerd and there is a play by David Henry Hwang of the same name with similar satire and themes. If anyone is interested I highly recommend.
I'm legit surprised you didn't even get to the juiciest reveal: Freydis Moon is the one who "exposed" Cait Corrain. When Xiran Jay Zhao brought up the topic, they didn't name names in order to try to still keep it private, but then Freydis was the one who blasted out Cait's name and forced everything public
Who would win? Person with multiple pen names to avoid the consequences of their actions VS person with multiple alt accounts to review bomb other authors
Lol that doesn't necessarily mean that they are a good writer. They just know how to write what agents are looking for. As someone who has had an agent in the past, they are very much looking for a specific kind of story and writing especially if you are an author of color or masquerading as one.
As a white skinned latino, I think it's funny that she felt the need to really convey that she was darker skinned when portraying a latino person 😂 really goes to show just how ignorant she is about latino identities
Yeah genuinely they coulda said they were Argentinian or Uruguayan or even Spanish… but this wasn’t about making sense, it was about seeing what they could get away with.
Is Latino the correct term? I'm Australian so forgive my ignorance. Why is Latinx considered offensive? Foreigners think that "aborigine" isn't a slur, so I appreciate your frustration.
@@angelawossname”Latino” and “Latina” are Spanish words, and to most Spanish-speaking people those are the correct terms to use in reference of someone from Latin America or people of Latin American descent living outside of the region. Spanish is a gendered language, a lot of words are either masculine or feminine. There is a moment within the Latin American community (esp in the USA) to develop gender neutral variants of gendered Spanish words. Latinx and Latine are meant to be used as gender neutral word for Latino/Latina. But there’s debate within the community about the ‘validity’ of these new words.
@@angelawossnameusing x, e, or even @ to represent women and gender fluid people within a group has been a thing in Latin America since the 90's (probably even before that). Queer and punk communities have been using those suffixes for ages but now it's become mainstream thanks to years of work from queer and feminist activists. E, x, and @ are perfectly valid.
I mean there are a lot of similar looking black cats out there but the backgrounds are what gets me. Like you’d think after getting caught the first time they could figure a way to just…not use the same backgrounds. like get a tablecloth or something it’s not rocket science
As a white queer woman I'm starting to worry that I don't have several identities to grift with. Am I behind? When do people normally start doing that? Oh god I'm 38 and I haven't done a single identity scam!
Can we get some kind of time management resource? I feel like I don’t have time to have DM convos with my POC alts, but maybe I’ve been mismanaging my time. Maybe there’s some responsibilities I could cut to make room for a network of aliases.
I write as a hobby, and sometimes I think that my plot ideas are too outlandish, but then some non-fictional drama happens that makes me realize that absolutely anything I could make up on the spot would probably not be as batshit insane as the lengths some scammers go to when they're desperate
@WildArtistsl oh it is a TRIP! I looked him up and forgot it was a whole series called "Kissing the Coronavirus" The author is M.J. Edwards and he has other titles as well, including "Mating with the Mantis" and "Penetrated by the President's Twitter Feed" There's another person who does similar stuff called Chuck Tingle and his titles are W I L D ! ! ! The one that always cracks me up is "Bisexual Mothman Mailman Makes A Special Delivery In Our Butts" Oh and who can forget "Pounded In The Butt By The Sentient Physical Manifestation Of My Writer's Block Then Realizing I've Already Found Inspiration By Literally Writing About How I'm Not Inspired" These are all real titles. If even the idea of these exist to the point where there are so many of these and they're all selling on Amazon, you can write anything!
This entire fiasco sounds like a pitch for an American Dad episode where the family argues over whose favorite author is superior for them to all end up being Roger.
God I can just imagine them asking “okay Roger, since we all disagree who’s your favorite?” As he’s walking into the kitchen and him just responding “none of them they were all me” then walking back out.😂
Honestly? Out of this context, larping on the internet can be considered harmless fun. Disassociation from your own identity in order to try and get into the mindset of a character you made up can be rad. Just not like that.
This feels like what happens when you listen to the thoughts of “what if I did a crime? I bet I could pull it off” or “What if I just…started lying on the internet? Who could stop me?”
@@tamarbeker1701 reminds me of that Republican straight white man who cosplayed as a Republican black gay man to try and “validate” republicans online.
If you wanted a new identity, then write under a different pen name, and locate yourself in a different state or something…Changing your race is INSANEEEE
@@absurdum-the-artist Indeed they are...nowadays, at least. But the point still stands: regardless on how much or how little Americans bully some culture, you maybe shouldn't genuinely try to impersonate it lol
so this is my personal account, but i am a fantasy author who shared an agent with “freydís” and considered them a friend for over a year. they introduced me to my agent (who was also their agent at the time) they blurbed my book, i blurbed theirs, we chatted frequently, the works. i can tell you from personal experience that the depths of their depravity and deceit are shocking and go deeper than just their posts. i genuinely believe there is something deeply, intrinsically wrong with them that cannot be fixed. they create these false identities and slip between them with ease that i can only describe as sinister, and they seek out up and coming authors and industry professionals-generally queer and bipoc-and attach to them like a leech. i have rarely felt more violated. anyway, in the end i was the one to being the thread of proof to our then shared agent and within a couple hours they were dropped so…poetic justice i guess.
i'm so sorry you experienced the misfortune of crossing paths with them :( your good faith and willingness to support your peers shouldn't have been taken advantage of like that
@@withcindy thank you! that is so kind! one positive is since i pulled my blurb from the gideon testaments i was able to open up my requests to actual queer latine authors and have already read some really wonderful books because of it. other authors have been doing that as well which is fantastic imo. anyway, really great video! i won’t comment much in the future as i don’t wanna be in reader spaces too much even on my priv, but you def got a subscriber! 🫶🏻
@@babyhippo3000 ur always welcome to comment whenever u wanna share something or chat! Glad some good things came out of the situation, and wishing u all the best with ur writing ❤️
this is like Scooby Doo, but the unmasked villain of a whole season its just the same guy on slightly different costumes every time! “And I would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for you meddling kids!”
As an afro-latina I appreciate when you said "this is not my discourse to be a part of". A lot of ethnic people feel entitled to discuss any racial issue even if it doesn't relate to them specifically. Your nuanced approach is refreshing and very welcome.
12:00 Holy fuck the absolute tone deaf rant of "characters of color don't have to be tied to a culture, let them be NORMAL" as if African and South American stories aren't... normal? Then complaining that the paranormal genre has been whitewashed??
I feel like I need multiple bulletin boards with pictures, charts, diagrams, labels, pins, and multicolored string to keep up with this - and I’m just barely peeking in here. How could anyone keep up with this for 5 years???
I truly believe In like a year or two we're gna find out that all of book twitter is actually just 5 people getting into arguments with themselves using different accounts
it's so unbelievably insane that this person could just like. quietly write good books and garner a pretty decent following, but instead did this. THE SCAM IS MORE EFFORT THAN JUST BECOMING A GENUINELY GOOD AUTHOR
The problem is making a new identity, as a POC person the first time they got cancelled. Now they will forever have that stain. Nobody will want to work with them again if it's found out. They should have taken the criticism gracefully first time round and kept making books.
i’m glad you mentioned that a number of white queer people co-opt issues and concepts which are associated with poc, it’s like a gross attempt to get sympathy points. The apology was so icky because the language seemed lifted straight from poc discourse. You are right, those individuals don’t see the full spectrum of being a poc, they only see the support and opportunities created in a small subset of the internet, yet they still want to encroach on that space. Thanks for putting my discomfort into words.
what confuses me is... they're queer. They're already marginalized. They at least know what discrimination is like, even if not racism. why do they want another layer of systemic discrimination against them?
I signed up for a doctors surgery recently, and then when it was time to go in for them to check my ID I realised I’d forgotten what doctors surgery id signed up for. This was in the space of a week. If she doesn’t have multiple google docs tracking all this information then she is truly built different and built wrong.
I’ve heard nothing about this (I deleted Twitter a few months back), but I find it WILD that I had the Taylor’s blocked but followed Freydis. The level of effort to maintain such different identities boggles my mind.
I was a critique partner of this person in the ancient year of 2014 (they then went by Taylor Brooke and as far as I know, I provided critique for their first novel but honestly what is the truth) The amount of racist shit I tried and failed to get them to cut out of their work earned them the nickname The Racist Wiccan amoung my friends. Shouldn’t be surprised AND YET here we are
@@birb5306 A lot of it was kind of classic stereotyping: a Black woman described as “sassy”, a Japanese character with a Chinese surname and a family that ran a sushi restaurant to prove he was Japanese. At the time I figured we were both just young and white and still unlearning stuff at our own paces and they’d grow out of it (wrong, obviously). But they did once go on a rant regarding something in my work about a character of color making a comment about white people that I remember vividly because they were upset that as a white person, they “weren’t allowed to talk about certain issues” and “couldn’t go to the wrong neighborhoods” and also that reverse racism was real. They generally seemed really pissed that there were spaces in this world that just weren’t for them. Guess they decided they were gonna get in there no matter what
Why do this? This writer spent five years pretending to be somebody they weren't when they should have spent all of that effort rebuilding their reputation, acknowledging their past wrongs, and I don't know... maybe writing their books. Instead, they spent five years hurting an entire community of people, and continues to hurt the very people and community by doubling down and refusing to acknowledge what they've done.
It might be motivated as revenge against POC and allies on Twitter because Taylor felt like they were being bullied/cancelled unfairly. Manipulating the same community that cancelled them for being racist by pretending to be "LaTiNx"- I imagine Taylor to be devilishly twirling their moustache. Some people enjoy manipulating others and pat themselves on the back for 'cleverly' hurting others. Taylor was outed for being an unapologetic racist bully initially.
Ngl, I got whiplash reading the video title and war flashbacks to the last time something like this happened 💀💀💀. Edit: As someone who is Hispanic but often worries that I’m not Hispanic enough, fuck it I’m gonna take Cindy’s advice. If this person could claim being Hispanic than my half Puerto Rican descendant ass certainly can lol.
I feel this! I’m half hispanic too. It’s true that just saying this fact about yourself can bring judgment. And then some people will think I’m using my identity as an accessory, like I’m only mentioning it to make myself more interesting.🥲
@@octolingo1892 Tldr; a hamilton fanfic author pretended to be a POC traffiking survivor with HIV for years. If you're curious, Strange Aeons has a video on them.
This is honestly beyond aggravating. I'm bi-racial, and mixed with Peruvian and I'm also half Irish/Eastern European. I take after my dad more in terms of my coloration, and I've literally had people tell me my whole life that I'm not peruvian. That I'm lying about it. People like this just make things more difficult for people like me who are actually mixed, and because of how genetics work we don't always look mixed.... like me, even though my features on my face are typically peruvian, because my skin is so pale people automatically assume I'm white. This really is so f**ked. I hate when people try to as others have said cosplay as a minority. It is so sickening. 😡 Edit: no way did she actually try to claim that she had the same name as I do 😡 absolutely ridiculous.
@@withcindy oh I do claim that I am 😜💓 I wouldn't consider myself to be a poc, just because I have white privilege ,because I pass as white. But I do consider myself to be biracial. I would never forget that I'm peruvian❤ People like her, just make me realize how important it is to be proud of that part of my heritage.... because f*ck them lol Also , I just got to the part where she actually said she had the same name as me at one point, which is just bizarre to think about. 😅
Felt this as a Metis and Ukrainian girlie. I look. So white. I feel bad claiming indigenous, even though I didn’t understand most French accents cuz I was used to what michif french sounds like
Oh, I'm the same. I look 100% like my dad, but I have his features as well as his skin tone. I look very, very stereotypically Ashkenazi. My mum is Indigenous Australian. Growing up I wasn't accepted as either, since Jews are traditionally matrilineal.
How do you keep it up for FIVE YEARS?? I have to be honest that's impressive. Like at no point in those five years did you have a guilty conscience? How do you not ask yourself what the hell you're doing for YEARS?
When she was asked to make a statement, she literally said those who believe the lies may leave her page and those who don't believe it are welcomed to stay. No remorse and if she did feel sorry, she's only sorry she got caught.
Hell forget conscience, where do you find the TIME to keep this up for five years? They didn’t come across a single more compelling hobby in five years?
I have a sister in law like this. She told me she was a white passing Latina; which we Latinos come in all shades so I didn’t even think she was lying. It was kinda odd how she spoke to me since she really puts on a show like this person did with always bringing it up how white people suck and how we need more poc in stuff. Like a year later I met her mother at a family Christmas party and I don’t know how this conversation came up but I found out from her mother that both her parents have no Latin roots, they were like white Americans that bragged about their German roots and to this day is the oddest thing ever for someone to lie about their heritage. Like my sister in law still says odd crap on her instagram like she will # one of her photos something like: “brown girls do it better”, and I cringe every single time especially when she gets comments how white she is and she cries about it. I don’t know man, I hate how racist people are to me so I don’t understand why someone would want that or maybe they just want the attention without the racism which I also don’t like it when people comment how “sexy Latinos are” it makes me feel uncomfortable. I had an ex who only dated me for being Latino which was super weird. This whole thing is fucked and this person is annoying for lying.
I think it's just seen as easy to "be more interesting". I usually call myself Blanco, because both my parents and most of my grandparents are either Brazilian or Argentinian, but entirely of European descent. I've occasionally been mistaken for light-skin arabic depending on how I cut my beard and hair, but usually people just see "white guy" or call me mixed. Even so, my brothers all just claim whiteness and treat the family roots as more like a bit of trivia, while I try to wear it on my shoulder a bit more while being honest about what the roots are. I always make it very clear I'm not a PoC, just from a different culture of colonizers. However, from my perspective as a white latin guy, whiteness is viewed in a similar way to suburbia. It's safe and privileged but also usually considered boring. Same way that anime and fantasy are huge with suburban kids who sit around bored with their day-to-day and crave adventure, lots of white kids crave the danger and unique situations of being a PoC. It's a fantasy for them, a way to feel like their life is more of an adventure. I've heard that before, my family has clear family lore about where each ancestor is from, so I'll explain like 4-8 different regions my family comes from and circumstances and a lot of other White people go "wow that's so cool, I'm just boring old Irish" and I get super confused because I personally love Irish history. Most White people, like my brothers, treat their cultural heritage as secondary or entirely separated from their personal identity. They don't think of themselves as "a descendant of German and Irish immigrants" and dig into what that means for them in the context of colonialism, they just get used to the whiteness box and want to leave it. Whiteness as an identity is very oppression focused, anything that isn't about being a colonial power is about how lame they are (bland food, bad at dance, dorky speech, etc). It's not an identity anyone wants to be unless they are trying to stay as privileged and safe as possible or push down their superiority. But we live in a modern society that fetishizes the underdog, so that's what people want to be seen as in their struggles. It is very much entitlement. If anyone who read this whole ass essay is White, I'd recommend you look into where in Europe you're from and then don't write it off when you find out. Everywhere has cool history and your entire identity doesn't need to be a white colonizer, but if you pretend to be a PoC then that's all you're being, a colonizer.
@@MasoTrumoii think this is genuinely the best way i've ever seen anyone put this, you really hit the nail on the head with the underdog fetishization
I am Argentinian. That's my nationality, my identity. I'm Argentinian, porteña, from Buenos Aires and my grandpa was born in La Boca by the river. My first years were watching Boca's stadium from my window. I am also Latin American - which is a broader umbrella that means I share not culture, maybe, with a Peruvian or a Chilean but I share region, struggles, colonisation past and present. A brazilian and I are the same in the way we might kiss each other's cheeks and how our uncles were violently murdered by an US- backed dictatorship. We are the same, an Ecuadorian and I, in the way our land is constantly disputed by the US and their companies, how they want to take take take. We're the same in our friendlyness but I drink Mate and they drink Coffee. In the land I was born a different indigenous group lived and was murdered, a different national story was written. Latine is an umbrella and it makes us siblings in a pain and joy only we know. It doesn't make us the same. Gringos *think* we're the same, they think we're all the same shade and have the same yellow filtered home and we're all peppering spanish in our phrases. *They think being latin american is being a vague other and that's what Taylor Barton took advantage of, because publishing doesn't want the chaos and tension and specifics that come with a Latin American identity*, they want the comfortable vagueness of an other that reaffirms they're American, in the USA sense. They don't want the diaspora latine with their cultural complexity, they don't want the latin american born and raised. They want the vagueness of an other they can tout around as their token diverse.
@@Ches19. MY DARLING WE LOVE OUR MIDDLE EASTERN FRIENDSSSSSS yall are latinos in my heart nhadvgyhdfv the global south shares the same pains and it fucks me up but we've got each other. we've had each other.
@@aimeejenesse116 AW this means so much thank you!!🥹 i swear latino and arab culture have so much in common (beyond the pain of western imperialism lol) you guys are totally honorary arabs too hahaha. we do got each other’s backs because who else will? here’s hoping for brighter futures for both our peoples♥️
Whenever I see book drama, it always inspires me a little in that "these weirdos can get agents, so maybe I could as well". I used to write all the time when I was younger, so these dramas have a strange effect of making me want to try writing again. ...without putting down poc, of course.
Honestly same lol. Suddenly feeling really confident about my non-existent book getting published if all these people can somehow finesse their way in. Let's go girl.
Not surprised, nor am I gagged by the audacity, but I am perpetually baffled. Piecing this back together on a six hour drive home from was a wilder ride than The Wives.
I like that you also touched on the importance of pen names for queer authors and authors of color and the way shit like this happening robs other people in small ways. The internet is so unreal
what's so wild is that the only reason i became aware of freydis moon in the first place is because of anna zabo's original twitter thread a few years ago calling freydis out because they got a "bad vibe" from them & thought they were suspicious but didn't have any concrete evidence. and at the time pretty much everyone (myself included!) was on freydis's side, and thought it was a case of a white author going after a qpoc for no reason. and then they turned out to be right!!! we should have listened to them!!!
honestly understandable to be in the position you were in! people shouldn't throw stones so easily if something hasn't truly been proven. but it sucks that bad actors get away with stuff for so long unless ppl put in the burden of extensive proof
In middle school, I read a book where the main character went by Red. I decided I wanted to be "edgy" and told my friends to start calling me Green. That cringy phase lasted for all of a week. Turns out, rather than picking colors, you can pick races now. And one alter ego is not enough. Hearing Cindy read out the quotes Taylor says online are very ick.
I can't stop thinking about that sketch with the guy in the hotdog costume saying "we're all trying to find out who did this" about the Oscar Meyer wienermobile crashing into a store....
There's a whole extra layer of depravity to this. When Freydis still had a lot of credibility to their name, they had (and might still have) a WHOLE lot of fans and followers who would blindly believe everything they said about other indie authors, and would witch hunt and harass them into silence as a result. Cardigan WAS an asshole, but publicly pummeling smaller authors is something of a routine pattern of behavior for whoever-the-fuck-this-person-is. I happen to be close friends with an author who was once targeted by this due a VERY public misunderstanding, and while they tried to politely clarify and resolve the issue in private with Freydis, they went on fanning the flames of controversy in public, spreading information that they knew damn well at that point wasn't true. The verbal harassment went on for like 2-4 weeks and left that author completely isolated from the community in a way that still hurts them to this day. Even if it wasn't just a misunderstanding, the level of abuse Freydis had a tendency to incite onto others was so far past the boundary of acceptable that it's kind of insane. They're far from the only one, too. Freydis practically specialized in using their platform to alienate other authors in the community over very flimsy slights, perceived wrongdoings, outright made-up wrongdoings, or even something as simple as speaking poorly of Freydis -- particularly other queer and neurodivergent indie authors. One of the more notable moments of this was when Freydis and another author/several other authors got into an argument over the expectation of sexuality in indie romance/fiction. When they disagreed with Freydis, they baselessly accused the other authors of being racist. Which their followers believed 100%, and harassed the authors as a result while Freydis went on a blocking spree. This is far from the only time that exact accusation has played out with them. I absolutely cannot fathom why they did this, since, as you said, they clearly had no problem with getting places in publishing. It was exclusively bullying for the sake of it, and a lot of authors were traumatized and forced into silence because of it. So if racefaking and mass deceit and manipulation on a level that would make the CIA uncomfortable wasn't enough, they used that same platform that they built off of completely fabricated identities to attack other authors basically just because they could. They'd make a spectacular supervillain, ngl.
I have a few author friends who have been hurt by Freydis, and while I didn't know them personally, I looked up to them, being an author myself. Hearing about what they've done is so disgusting and deceiving, not only as a writer but as a friend and client to their publisher and agent. thank you for talking about this situation! your videos are always amazing.
I saw "author was caught faking their race with multiple identities" and was surprised when this video wasn't about hivliving. 🙃 Thank you for the book recommendations!
Cindyyy could you maybe please make a follow up vid to the one where you covered a reviewer that was harrassed by an extreme horror author who dedicated his (disgusting) book to her? I recently saw a tiktok where she said goodreads is siding with matt shaw and deleted her review and from other people criticizing him on GR, pleasee I think its very important that everyone learns that GR (again) is doing nothing
@@withcindycould be because it was very recent, the tiktok i saw came out yesterday so i am guessing maybe more people will look into it, but its so terrible how some authors can get away with anything. btw ty for covering this case! as a latina it hits closer to home, i am halfway through it and will comment again once i am done 🙌
This is not surprising as white Latinos benefit from latinidad more than Latinos of color (even though Latinos of color bear the brunt of the racialization of latinidad) so this author used that to their benefit. They got more than Latinos of color because publishers could gain “diversity points” by having a queer Latinx person while not having to deal with an actual queer person of color. Side note: Latino is not a racial identity, it’s an ethnic identity. There can be white, Black, Asian Latinos. Not all Latinos are people of color.
8:11 is basically the opposite of "call me, beep me, if you want to reach me". You got this researched and filmed fast! Finally I will understand what's going on and laugh a little while learning. Thank you for your service
One thing about Latinx. It DID originate with queer communities in Latin America and was NOT made up by white people. That is a huge misconception about Latinx. It was co-opted by white academics and then got a ton of resistance from Latin Americans since the majority of them hearing about it were not queer or were themselves either homophobic or homonormative, surprise surprise. The hatred of this term is largely due to hatred against nonbinary ppl by cis het Latin American ppl. The thing is, Latin American queer communities are many and varied and thus there are different ways that developed to refer to nonbinary people like Latine Latinx and many more. Queer Latin Americans are not a monolith, so when a bunch of people come and say very strongly that Latinx is not an actual world used by queer people just know that it is and it actually came from Spanish speaking queer people not white academics. I leaned this from a queer linguistics class I took in uni. I could provide the name of the speaker for that day and dig it out my old syllabus if anyone is curious to learn more or directly from the source.
I think Latinx is kind of bad, because screen readers can't read it, making it bad for accessibility reasons. To be fair, I also don't enjoy seeing people using X to neutralise words because in Brazil, usually the ones who do it are cis and/or people who are making fun of non binary people like you said. Also, this is just a nitpick, but saying "white academics" doesn't mean anything. Latines can be of any race, we have white academics too, I am one of them actually lol
@@lordarthur2165 yes thank you true there are white Latin American people, sorry for my word choice. I used the term bc it is a common term used in the discourse at least in the US. Ppl will just say that Latinx came from “white academics” I should have been clearer I really meant academics from outside Latin America (of which there others who aren’t white of course) it’s not useful but the intent was that these academics are just outsiders, observers not form queer communities nor from Latin America
@@jordanbrown3816 yeah, that's a great point too. People from marginalized backgrounds are also part of academia. I am not a person of colour, but I am a trans man and I know how important it's for us to be in those positions doing scientific/academic work. Also, don't worry, I hope I didn't come though as aggressive. I was just nitpicking because that's something that usually annoys me a lot. Nothing good comes out of erasing the whiteness of people from Latin America, because it gives this wrong idea that racism doesn't exist here and it also erases the whole process of colonization that happened here.
As a white person, PLEASE keep making it about race. We need to be called out. So much of everything is tied into race, because white people MADE it that way. Thank you for talking about this.
I love how you really break these things down. I get real bad impostor syndrome a lot, but then I learn authors like this exist and it makes me feel a bit better.
There is some misconceptions of the Latinx term! It is very much a real term however ripped apart by a lot of Latin American groups due to the myth of it originating from "white liberals/Americans," it was a term used by Latin American Netizens in the early 2000s to advocate trans/gender non-conforming inclusivity in a very gendered language. It is very much a term that got slack for being "cringe," difficult to say in Spanish, or became the punching bag for a lot of conservative Latin American groups/outlets because of the idea of progressiveness HAS to come from the US or something. I personally use Latine/Latino since it's such a better pronunciation but the hate against that term is very much rooted into it being the punching bag of queer activism as most Latin American countries are still dangerously conservative (I only speak as a Mexican though, as recently our openly non-binary magistrate was murdered along with their partner).
I don't get the latinx term used by gringos :-( I know in Spanish we often use x or e in words as you very well said, for inclusivity in a very gendered language. But I don't get why people born and raised in USA started using the term in our behalf. That's the part that is cringe of it, for me. It seems that "latinx" became a satirical way for gringos to try to introduce themselves in something they're not part of, they call themselves "monolingual latinxs" when they mean... English speaking gringos, born and raised, whose parents or even grandparents were from somewhere in Latin America? We are not the same. I get they suffer racism of xenophobia in USA (even when they were born and raised there) because it seems it is a very racist country, but being a victim of racism doesn't make you a "latinx" because it's not about that. It's not about being "brown" or calling your mom "mama" or whatevs. I feel like gringos got it all wrong and they appropriated themselves of a term that doesn't make sense in their context, it feels like a joke, a mockery u_u
Absolutely ludicrous that this is a genre of person now. When you say "This white author was pretending to be a person on color on Twitter", my response shouldn't be (but is) "Which one?"
I heard about this a few days ago and took down the posts I had on Instagram featuring her books. Some people really don't care about harming collectives if it means getting attention. Thanks for covering this case!
I have no idea who any of these people are but your account of this outrageously confusing story has been thoroughly entertaining so... new subscriber here!
unrelated but kinda related, when i was a teenager i would sometimes pretend to be a boy online, but never did anything related to race or social justice, it was a different time in 2008 though. i think, like other commenters have said, this person is deeply mentally ill. i was very mentally ill at that time, have now been through therapy/medication and now understand they were part of my delusions of grandeour.
I will derail from the video topic to just say, that ad transition was so fucking smooth, I almost spit my drink it really caught me by surprise lmao. Watching the ad segments for the humor
Yeah, no, if you're a white, queer person who is offended that Cindy (or anyone) is pointing out the bad things that white queer people or specifically white women are doing, then you need to step back and pull your own ego out of the situation. It isn't a personal attack against you, queerness, or women, it's noting a troubling pattern within the white queer demographic. It is about race because white people made it about race. This video wouldn't exist if they hadn't. For clarity, I am a white trans dude, and I'm speaking specifically to other white people. Think of it this way, when a woman frustratedly asks, "Why do these dudes hate women so much?" when talking about misogyny, is she literally saying every man hates women? No! Of course not, only the most insecure man would think so and react accordingly.
girl you have no idea how much i wanted you to make this video. i only go into booktwt when there's drama so i had absolutely 0 context as to who this person was or what had happened, been praying for a deep dive
its so insane the way they singlehandedly say "werewolves being south american is racist' when as a brazilian i personally prefer the brazilian werewolf mythos over any of the gringo bullshit on the global north. i just find "a seventh brother of 6 older sisters is compelled to wander cemiteries on friday nights to transform into a giant wolfman" a much fun and metal idea to work with, but i guess the person who wrote a book called ninth life and then proceeded to create 9 alternate identities knows better
Latin mythos can be so interesting and fun to write in stories but of course, she would rather cosplay than do actual research or participation in appreciating our culture
New phone, who Freydis?
STOPPPPP
YOU WIN
freydis, freydat. freyget about it!
HELPP😭😭😭
WHAT A FUCKING KNEE SLAPPER
as a black brazilian i find it very funny that this person did not fake being a white latine, it would be so easy for them 😭
Cara, eu tava pensando a mesma coisa kkkkkk
Nem para fazer uma mentira boa, eu acho que é porque tem muito gringo que acha que tode latine é um pessoa racializada, quando ser latine é uma nacionalidade, não uma etnia.
RIGHT?!?!?
nah they were like i gotta go BROWN
@@lordarthur2165tal vez esqueceu que existem mais países na América Latina do que o México. E também acha que todos os Mexicanos somos cafés (marroes?) -_-
Erro típico de gringos racistas.
(Me desculpe pelo meu português, ainda estou aprendendo)
@@beksfue5937 sim, é sempre muito engraçado quando eles acham que a gente é tudo a mesma coisa, quando dentro de um mesmo país é cheio de variações regionais.
Aliás, você está indo bem no português! Só a palavra marrom que você errou, o plural de marrom é marrons e a o "mexicanos somos cafés", acho que a terceira pessoa ("são" ao invés de "somos") se encaixaria melhor. Mas não se preocupe que dá para entender perfeitamente o que você quiz dizer, meus parabéns, aprender outra língua é difícil.
These writers know that R. F. Kuang's YELLOWFACE was a fictional story, not a step-by-step guide, right?
pls 😭💀
maybe it was misplaced in the DIY section at b&n…
I got so confused because I’m not a regular participant in booktok but I am a theater nerd and there is a play by David Henry Hwang of the same name with similar satire and themes. If anyone is interested I highly recommend.
This. Like jfc
@@mariaerdgzn plssss im dying
I'm legit surprised you didn't even get to the juiciest reveal: Freydis Moon is the one who "exposed" Cait Corrain. When Xiran Jay Zhao brought up the topic, they didn't name names in order to try to still keep it private, but then Freydis was the one who blasted out Cait's name and forced everything public
WHAT
PARDON
Damn, book-asshole infighting
Who would win? Person with multiple pen names to avoid the consequences of their actions VS person with multiple alt accounts to review bomb other authors
OH MY GOD??????
Seems like this person saw the Cait Corrain situation and was like “lmao I can be messier.” The hell you mean they kept this up for *FIVE YEARS*
cait corrain: who are you
freydis moon: im you but stronger
Hahaha I had the same reaction. 5 YEARS?????
I can hardly keep people's Christmas presents a secret for 2 months never mind THIS WHOLE ASS MESS
king shit
Finally, a sequel to Rachel Dolezal
any one of us could be taylor at this point. it could be you, it could be me, it could be cindy
😂😂😂
Oh god, am I Taylor?!
It me
Are there anymore squidwards I should know about 😭
@@j.g.3293PLEASE 😭😭😭
What boggles my mind is that it's so hard to get an agent, and this person managed to do it three times under different identities???
I guess she actually is good at writing but instead of writing books she keeps getting caught into this.
You can achieve anything if you're a pathological liar
I had the same thoughts. Either the writing is phenomenal or it's playing into some crazy confirmation bias.
Ikr?! They must be good at writing, couldnt they focus their energy on that?!
Lol that doesn't necessarily mean that they are a good writer. They just know how to write what agents are looking for. As someone who has had an agent in the past, they are very much looking for a specific kind of story and writing especially if you are an author of color or masquerading as one.
This is what happens when people get tired of writing fanfiction on AO3 and start writing fanfiction IRL.
What in the Yellowface is going the hell on
Pandemic online community made me learned that some people ARE this messy and more. They’re living for the drama even though it never ends well.
Not fan fiction IRL 😂😂😂
Self insert taken too far...
As a white skinned latino, I think it's funny that she felt the need to really convey that she was darker skinned when portraying a latino person 😂 really goes to show just how ignorant she is about latino identities
Yeah genuinely they coulda said they were Argentinian or Uruguayan or even Spanish… but this wasn’t about making sense, it was about seeing what they could get away with.
Is Latino the correct term? I'm Australian so forgive my ignorance. Why is Latinx considered offensive? Foreigners think that "aborigine" isn't a slur, so I appreciate your frustration.
@@angelawossname”Latino” and “Latina” are Spanish words, and to most Spanish-speaking people those are the correct terms to use in reference of someone from Latin America or people of Latin American descent living outside of the region. Spanish is a gendered language, a lot of words are either masculine or feminine. There is a moment within the Latin American community (esp in the USA) to develop gender neutral variants of gendered Spanish words. Latinx and Latine are meant to be used as gender neutral word for Latino/Latina. But there’s debate within the community about the ‘validity’ of these new words.
@@bookish.calirican thankyou.
@@angelawossnameusing x, e, or even @ to represent women and gender fluid people within a group has been a thing in Latin America since the 90's (probably even before that). Queer and punk communities have been using those suffixes for ages but now it's become mainstream thanks to years of work from queer and feminist activists. E, x, and @ are perfectly valid.
im crying at them continuing to post their SAME cat under each fake name like bro 😭
Right like huh
I mean there are a lot of similar looking black cats out there but the backgrounds are what gets me. Like you’d think after getting caught the first time they could figure a way to just…not use the same backgrounds. like get a tablecloth or something it’s not rocket science
And it’s a tortoiseshell. Tortoiseshells are all unique. If it was a black cat or a basic orange tabby it would have been less obvious.
As a white queer woman I'm starting to worry that I don't have several identities to grift with. Am I behind? When do people normally start doing that? Oh god I'm 38 and I haven't done a single identity scam!
This comment made me lol, thank u
if you figure it out can you tell me? I really need a manual on this I don't know where to start!
I think whatever grift it is you have to have plausible deniability and minimal proof
Can we get some kind of time management resource? I feel like I don’t have time to have DM convos with my POC alts, but maybe I’ve been mismanaging my time. Maybe there’s some responsibilities I could cut to make room for a network of aliases.
I’m 70. I have no game for this. I’ll watch.
This person really said "I'm not an ABUSER, I'm a RACIST, get it right" lmao
djlkasldjksa omg
It's giving, "I Can Excuse Racism But I Draw The Line At Animal Cruelty" XD
@@honinakecheta601 "You can excuse rasim?" Always appreciated a Community reference =)
@@per-c8229 the writers of the show really knew what they were doing lol that exchange always makes me laugh for several minutes
@@Shyknit The first time I watched it made me hate Brita, then I got the joke and a laugh, still don't like her but I can laugh about it =)
I write as a hobby, and sometimes I think that my plot ideas are too outlandish, but then some non-fictional drama happens that makes me realize that absolutely anything I could make up on the spot would probably not be as batshit insane as the lengths some scammers go to when they're desperate
You can be the next kuang lol
For me it's whenever I remember that author who wrote the personification of Covid as a love interest
😮wtf i am curious but at the same time not @@DinoCultist
@WildArtistsl oh it is a TRIP! I looked him up and forgot it was a whole series called "Kissing the Coronavirus"
The author is M.J. Edwards and he has other titles as well, including "Mating with the Mantis" and "Penetrated by the President's Twitter Feed"
There's another person who does similar stuff called Chuck Tingle and his titles are W I L D ! ! ! The one that always cracks me up is "Bisexual Mothman Mailman Makes A Special Delivery In Our Butts" Oh and who can forget "Pounded In The Butt By The Sentient Physical Manifestation Of My Writer's Block Then Realizing I've Already Found Inspiration By Literally Writing About How I'm Not Inspired"
These are all real titles. If even the idea of these exist to the point where there are so many of these and they're all selling on Amazon, you can write anything!
@@DinoCultistwas it Chuck Tingle? That dude's books are entirely unhinged and I can't help but love him for it.
oh my god the picture of them with the sugar skull bandana is in black and white so you can't tell they're white, i am HOWLING
EXACTLYYYYY
Her hiding her hand in the background of the cat pic got me
This entire fiasco sounds like a pitch for an American Dad episode where the family argues over whose favorite author is superior for them to all end up being Roger.
God I can just imagine them asking “okay Roger, since we all disagree who’s your favorite?” As he’s walking into the kitchen and him just responding “none of them they were all me” then walking back out.😂
😂😂😂
I’m dead
@@kikoonthemoveAnd then they get mad and try to kill him
Love how Cardigan tried to come back like "a-ha! see?" and everyone just went "no ✨"
That’s the funniest part of this whole thing 😂
Made me laugh a bit
I was waiting for the reveal that Cardigan was also Freydis.
@@akyle6765LMFAO SAME
Going to therapy-❌
Creating multiple fake identities and keeping twitter acounts to publish a bunch of books instead of doing any self reflection-✅
one cost money while the other is free with lots of undeserved validation.
Honestly? Out of this context, larping on the internet can be considered harmless fun. Disassociation from your own identity in order to try and get into the mindset of a character you made up can be rad. Just not like that.
This feels like what happens when you listen to the thoughts of “what if I did a crime? I bet I could pull it off” or “What if I just…started lying on the internet? Who could stop me?”
@@tamarbeker1701 reminds me of that Republican straight white man who cosplayed as a Republican black gay man to try and “validate” republicans online.
Ah yes, the pipeline of downloading a car to identity theft 😂😂@@Professor_Brie
when cindy said people found out they were the same person through ASTROLOGICAL CHARTS... my jaw was on the floor
ASTROLOGICAL CHARTS???? HUH?
NOTHING LIKE “Oh this writing is similar to blank”
If you wanted a new identity, then write under a different pen name, and locate yourself in a different state or something…Changing your race is INSANEEEE
Pretend to be some sort of flavor of European maybe lol. I can’t with these people
@@absurdum-the-artist "As an Italianx person, I cooka da pasta" do you really think this is any better
@@finboror NO LOL. However I think most would agree that Italians are less oppressed
@@absurdum-the-artist Indeed they are...nowadays, at least. But the point still stands: regardless on how much or how little Americans bully some culture, you maybe shouldn't genuinely try to impersonate it lol
@@finboror I agree with that
so this is my personal account, but i am a fantasy author who shared an agent with “freydís” and considered them a friend for over a year. they introduced me to my agent (who was also their agent at the time) they blurbed my book, i blurbed theirs, we chatted frequently, the works. i can tell you from personal experience that the depths of their depravity and deceit are shocking and go deeper than just their posts. i genuinely believe there is something deeply, intrinsically wrong with them that cannot be fixed. they create these false identities and slip between them with ease that i can only describe as sinister, and they seek out up and coming authors and industry professionals-generally queer and bipoc-and attach to them like a leech. i have rarely felt more violated. anyway, in the end i was the one to being the thread of proof to our then shared agent and within a couple hours they were dropped so…poetic justice i guess.
i'm so sorry you experienced the misfortune of crossing paths with them :( your good faith and willingness to support your peers shouldn't have been taken advantage of like that
@@withcindy thank you! that is so kind! one positive is since i pulled my blurb from the gideon testaments i was able to open up my requests to actual queer latine authors and have already read some really wonderful books because of it. other authors have been doing that as well which is fantastic imo. anyway, really great video! i won’t comment much in the future as i don’t wanna be in reader spaces too much even on my priv, but you def got a subscriber! 🫶🏻
@@babyhippo3000 ur always welcome to comment whenever u wanna share something or chat! Glad some good things came out of the situation, and wishing u all the best with ur writing ❤️
@@withcindy thank you, same to you! i’m sophia slade on my public socials! ☺️
As someone who was married to someone with DID, my primary reaction to this story was "This person is ill."
How do these people even keep track of all the different people they’re pretending to be???
Imagine if they have DnD character sheets so they know how each fake account is meant to act 😂
I suspect corkboards criss-crossed with lots of strings might be involved.
not well enough to update the metadata 🥴
Multiple personality disorder maybe?
@@rikimaru700No, this really isn’t how DID works. I bet there’s some crazy spreadsheets involved.
The way they sabotaged themself multiple times because they kept on taking the same photos 😭
No fr!! Imagine if they didn’t take the same photos, no one would have ever found out
For someone who made such devious and complex plans they really forgot the small details 💀
imagine being both a writer and *THAT* creatively bankrupt 💀
@@Romanticoutlaw all the creativity points went towards creating those identities.
And manuscripts!!!
😭
this is like Scooby Doo, but the unmasked villain of a whole season its just the same guy on slightly different costumes every time!
“And I would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for you meddling kids!”
I thought about it 😂😂😂
If only a furry helpped so we couldda said
"And your damn dog too!"
As an afro-latina I appreciate when you said "this is not my discourse to be a part of". A lot of ethnic people feel entitled to discuss any racial issue even if it doesn't relate to them specifically. Your nuanced approach is refreshing and very welcome.
12:00 Holy fuck the absolute tone deaf rant of "characters of color don't have to be tied to a culture, let them be NORMAL" as if African and South American stories aren't... normal? Then complaining that the paranormal genre has been whitewashed??
Fr, I was cringing so hard at that tweet.🤦♀️
I feel like I need multiple bulletin boards with pictures, charts, diagrams, labels, pins, and multicolored string to keep up with this - and I’m just barely peeking in here. How could anyone keep up with this for 5 years???
I kept having to go back to re-listen to parts of this video because the story is so convoluted. Cindy did a great job but wow what a complex story.
"wHy aRe yOu mAkiNg tHiS aBoUt qUeEr wHiTe wOmEn"
because they're always making it about themselves
YUPPPPP
spilled
Lmao they always feel so attacked everytime even tho its not about themselves
I truly believe In like a year or two we're gna find out that all of book twitter is actually just 5 people getting into arguments with themselves using different accounts
And Colleen Hoover is somehow all 5 of them
5 racists in a trenchcoat
it's so unbelievably insane that this person could just like. quietly write good books and garner a pretty decent following, but instead did this. THE SCAM IS MORE EFFORT THAN JUST BECOMING A GENUINELY GOOD AUTHOR
The problem is making a new identity, as a POC person the first time they got cancelled. Now they will forever have that stain. Nobody will want to work with them again if it's found out. They should have taken the criticism gracefully first time round and kept making books.
I'm watching this from mexico city, baffled. This gringa really logged into twitter for years and went 'mi gente latinooo'
Stooop not the JLo reference 😂
Watching from Chiapas and baffled 😂 I screamed at the mazapán
STOOOOP IT!!!
i’m glad you mentioned that a number of white queer people co-opt issues and concepts which are associated with poc, it’s like a gross attempt to get sympathy points. The apology was so icky because the language seemed lifted straight from poc discourse.
You are right, those individuals don’t see the full spectrum of being a poc, they only see the support and opportunities created in a small subset of the internet, yet they still want to encroach on that space. Thanks for putting my discomfort into words.
Thank u for validating my words!! I got so many argumentative ppl the last time I brought that up 🙄
@@withcindy aww you’re welcome! i can’t believe people celebrate diversity in lit, then in the same breath argue with a poc bringing up issues of race
what confuses me is... they're queer. They're already marginalized.
They at least know what discrimination is like, even if not racism. why do they want another layer of systemic discrimination against them?
Yeah people like that piss me off.
this was like watching 50 people do a really bad costume change in theatre
i know logically that people are willing to fake anything, yet im still surprised every time something this outrageous happens
caucasity knows no bounds
@@withcindyEvery time I see shit like this I say a little thank you to my social anxiety lmao
"Uphold yourself with the same confidence as a white writer trying to catfish as you" motivational. Needed this today Cindy ❤
Yes!!
5 years? The dedication I don't even stay at jobs for 5 years. 3 years tops.
Literally same I didn't even stay in school for that long
I signed up for a doctors surgery recently, and then when it was time to go in for them to check my ID I realised I’d forgotten what doctors surgery id signed up for. This was in the space of a week. If she doesn’t have multiple google docs tracking all this information then she is truly built different and built wrong.
I’m here. Lunch is almost done heating up. I’m ready.
whatcha eating for lunch
Left over beef
@@BrianaMichelleMeyer omg I'm gonna eat the same for dinner
I’ve heard nothing about this (I deleted Twitter a few months back), but I find it WILD that I had the Taylor’s blocked but followed Freydis. The level of effort to maintain such different identities boggles my mind.
I was a critique partner of this person in the ancient year of 2014 (they then went by Taylor Brooke and as far as I know, I provided critique for their first novel but honestly what is the truth) The amount of racist shit I tried and failed to get them to cut out of their work earned them the nickname The Racist Wiccan amoung my friends. Shouldn’t be surprised AND YET here we are
NOOOOOO the way they only experienced character development in the worst way
Holy shit, like what? (No pressure to say, I’m just nosy sasdfghjdll)
@@birb5306 A lot of it was kind of classic stereotyping: a Black woman described as “sassy”, a Japanese character with a Chinese surname and a family that ran a sushi restaurant to prove he was Japanese. At the time I figured we were both just young and white and still unlearning stuff at our own paces and they’d grow out of it (wrong, obviously). But they did once go on a rant regarding something in my work about a character of color making a comment about white people that I remember vividly because they were upset that as a white person, they “weren’t allowed to talk about certain issues” and “couldn’t go to the wrong neighborhoods” and also that reverse racism was real. They generally seemed really pissed that there were spaces in this world that just weren’t for them. Guess they decided they were gonna get in there no matter what
That is a wild name and yet I'm not surprised unfortunately
They love writing so much that they wrote themselves 80 different identities.
shocked and horrified a fellow bisexual orca/cetacean enthusiast was getting bullied. We stand together 🐋
Hahaha I'm gonna send this comment to her so she knows she's got an ally 💖🐋
I am so tired of people faking their ethnicity. A tale as old as time but no one enjoys the story.”
Why do this? This writer spent five years pretending to be somebody they weren't when they should have spent all of that effort rebuilding their reputation, acknowledging their past wrongs, and I don't know... maybe writing their books. Instead, they spent five years hurting an entire community of people, and continues to hurt the very people and community by doubling down and refusing to acknowledge what they've done.
i think they get more of a thrill pretending to be this persona than writing their books
It might be motivated as revenge against POC and allies on Twitter because Taylor felt like they were being bullied/cancelled unfairly. Manipulating the same community that cancelled them for being racist by pretending to be "LaTiNx"- I imagine Taylor to be devilishly twirling their moustache.
Some people enjoy manipulating others and pat themselves on the back for 'cleverly' hurting others. Taylor was outed for being an unapologetic racist bully initially.
Ngl, I got whiplash reading the video title and war flashbacks to the last time something like this happened 💀💀💀.
Edit: As someone who is Hispanic but often worries that I’m not Hispanic enough, fuck it I’m gonna take Cindy’s advice. If this person could claim being Hispanic than my half Puerto Rican descendant ass certainly can lol.
and it wasnt that long ago either
@@withcindy Maybe the eclipse is bringing out the crazy in everyone because what is going on fr fr.
This has happened before!? Bro I gotta stop taking breaks from book news 💀
@@Rikku147 For some reason it won’t stop happening 💀💀💀
I feel this! I’m half hispanic too. It’s true that just saying this fact about yourself can bring judgment. And then some people will think I’m using my identity as an accessory, like I’m only mentioning it to make myself more interesting.🥲
this author would've thrived during the eras of ms. scribe sockpuppeting and that person who faked being hiv positive to write hamilton fanfics
LMAOoo I thought of these too! It's like this BS isn't new, but the scale definitely feels way bigger now lololol
FR!!!!!
booktok would not survive the tomas jefferson hatsune miku binder era 💀
That person who WHAT
@@octolingo1892 Tldr; a hamilton fanfic author pretended to be a POC traffiking survivor with HIV for years. If you're curious, Strange Aeons has a video on them.
This is honestly beyond aggravating. I'm bi-racial, and mixed with Peruvian and I'm also half Irish/Eastern European. I take after my dad more in terms of my coloration, and I've literally had people tell me my whole life that I'm not peruvian. That I'm lying about it. People like this just make things more difficult for people like me who are actually mixed, and because of how genetics work we don't always look mixed.... like me, even though my features on my face are typically peruvian, because my skin is so pale people automatically assume I'm white.
This really is so f**ked. I hate when people try to as others have said cosplay as a minority. It is so sickening. 😡
Edit: no way did she actually try to claim that she had the same name as I do 😡 absolutely ridiculous.
u might as well claim ur culture cuz a fully white person will do it with no fear!!
@@withcindy oh I do claim that I am 😜💓 I wouldn't consider myself to be a poc, just because I have white privilege ,because I pass as white. But I do consider myself to be biracial. I would never forget that I'm peruvian❤
People like her, just make me realize how important it is to be proud of that part of my heritage.... because f*ck them lol
Also , I just got to the part where she actually said she had the same name as me at one point, which is just bizarre to think about. 😅
I'm indigenous, but also THE WHITEST looking person alive. I understand you fully. It's infuriating.
Felt this as a Metis and Ukrainian girlie. I look. So white. I feel bad claiming indigenous, even though I didn’t understand most French accents cuz I was used to what michif french sounds like
Oh, I'm the same. I look 100% like my dad, but I have his features as well as his skin tone. I look very, very stereotypically Ashkenazi. My mum is Indigenous Australian. Growing up I wasn't accepted as either, since Jews are traditionally matrilineal.
The crazy part is that with the similar manuscripts, they were either guilty of plagiarism or race-faking like they were screwed regardless
A lose lose situation of their own making!
@@withcindy truly
How do authors even have the time/energy to pull this off i cant barely get out of bed everyday
This 100%, everytime sometime like this happens I'm just like how do you even have the time to do this?
And where tf even happen to shame like how can you even lie like this, let alone 5 years?
How do you keep it up for FIVE YEARS?? I have to be honest that's impressive. Like at no point in those five years did you have a guilty conscience? How do you not ask yourself what the hell you're doing for YEARS?
maybe theyre in it too deep now and thats why they keep insisting theyre real lol
I think they still had a guilty conscience but still decide to go along with the lie anyway
When she was asked to make a statement, she literally said those who believe the lies may leave her page and those who don't believe it are welcomed to stay. No remorse and if she did feel sorry, she's only sorry she got caught.
Hell forget conscience, where do you find the TIME to keep this up for five years? They didn’t come across a single more compelling hobby in five years?
*Creepshow Art:* “Nobody in the online creative space is more Bat Shite Crazy than me!!!”
*Freydis Moon:* “Hold my beer….”
I have a sister in law like this. She told me she was a white passing Latina; which we Latinos come in all shades so I didn’t even think she was lying. It was kinda odd how she spoke to me since she really puts on a show like this person did with always bringing it up how white people suck and how we need more poc in stuff. Like a year later I met her mother at a family Christmas party and I don’t know how this conversation came up but I found out from her mother that both her parents have no Latin roots, they were like white Americans that bragged about their German roots and to this day is the oddest thing ever for someone to lie about their heritage. Like my sister in law still says odd crap on her instagram like she will # one of her photos something like: “brown girls do it better”, and I cringe every single time especially when she gets comments how white she is and she cries about it. I don’t know man, I hate how racist people are to me so I don’t understand why someone would want that or maybe they just want the attention without the racism which I also don’t like it when people comment how “sexy Latinos are” it makes me feel uncomfortable. I had an ex who only dated me for being Latino which was super weird. This whole thing is fucked and this person is annoying for lying.
Los gringos son un poco loco. latino no tiene nada de especial, solamente hablar un idioma que viene de latín 😂
I think it's just seen as easy to "be more interesting". I usually call myself Blanco, because both my parents and most of my grandparents are either Brazilian or Argentinian, but entirely of European descent. I've occasionally been mistaken for light-skin arabic depending on how I cut my beard and hair, but usually people just see "white guy" or call me mixed.
Even so, my brothers all just claim whiteness and treat the family roots as more like a bit of trivia, while I try to wear it on my shoulder a bit more while being honest about what the roots are. I always make it very clear I'm not a PoC, just from a different culture of colonizers.
However, from my perspective as a white latin guy, whiteness is viewed in a similar way to suburbia. It's safe and privileged but also usually considered boring. Same way that anime and fantasy are huge with suburban kids who sit around bored with their day-to-day and crave adventure, lots of white kids crave the danger and unique situations of being a PoC. It's a fantasy for them, a way to feel like their life is more of an adventure.
I've heard that before, my family has clear family lore about where each ancestor is from, so I'll explain like 4-8 different regions my family comes from and circumstances and a lot of other White people go "wow that's so cool, I'm just boring old Irish" and I get super confused because I personally love Irish history.
Most White people, like my brothers, treat their cultural heritage as secondary or entirely separated from their personal identity. They don't think of themselves as "a descendant of German and Irish immigrants" and dig into what that means for them in the context of colonialism, they just get used to the whiteness box and want to leave it.
Whiteness as an identity is very oppression focused, anything that isn't about being a colonial power is about how lame they are (bland food, bad at dance, dorky speech, etc). It's not an identity anyone wants to be unless they are trying to stay as privileged and safe as possible or push down their superiority. But we live in a modern society that fetishizes the underdog, so that's what people want to be seen as in their struggles. It is very much entitlement.
If anyone who read this whole ass essay is White, I'd recommend you look into where in Europe you're from and then don't write it off when you find out. Everywhere has cool history and your entire identity doesn't need to be a white colonizer, but if you pretend to be a PoC then that's all you're being, a colonizer.
@@MasoTrumoithis was very well said
I'm sorry people fetishized you like that, that's so uncomfortable. And it's bonkers that they lied to you?? Like why
@@MasoTrumoii think this is genuinely the best way i've ever seen anyone put this, you really hit the nail on the head with the underdog fetishization
Twist: Jupiter is actually Ebony Darkness Dementia Raven Way
Quitting my audiobook of yellowface for real book drama ✨😂❤️
who needs to read that book when u got the real deal here
I lost my EarPod in my bed for over 2 days and this person is keeping track of how many identities for HOW MANY YEARS?
Cindy immediately said "their words, not mine" which was a smart move 😂 I wouldn't want the topic of the video to be buried under that kind of debate
This sounds like those CW soap plots where you have the same actor playing 3 different characters.
It’s giving Riverdale vibes
my comparison was kingdom hearts XD
It's crazy how her personality never changed no matter what race she was😂
Because to her, race is all that matters.
She’s so bad at making fake identities, I’m sobbing 😭 like Ma’am! If you want to fake your identity don’t put the same zodiac signs at the very least!
At least give one of your alts an actual Latine surname?? Like Martinez or Rodriguez like jfc
I am Argentinian. That's my nationality, my identity. I'm Argentinian, porteña, from Buenos Aires and my grandpa was born in La Boca by the river. My first years were watching Boca's stadium from my window.
I am also Latin American - which is a broader umbrella that means I share not culture, maybe, with a Peruvian or a Chilean but I share region, struggles, colonisation past and present. A brazilian and I are the same in the way we might kiss each other's cheeks and how our uncles were violently murdered by an US- backed dictatorship.
We are the same, an Ecuadorian and I, in the way our land is constantly disputed by the US and their companies, how they want to take take take. We're the same in our friendlyness but I drink Mate and they drink Coffee. In the land I was born a different indigenous group lived and was murdered, a different national story was written.
Latine is an umbrella and it makes us siblings in a pain and joy only we know. It doesn't make us the same. Gringos *think* we're the same, they think we're all the same shade and have the same yellow filtered home and we're all peppering spanish in our phrases.
*They think being latin american is being a vague other and that's what Taylor Barton took advantage of, because publishing doesn't want the chaos and tension and specifics that come with a Latin American identity*, they want the comfortable vagueness of an other that reaffirms they're American, in the USA sense.
They don't want the diaspora latine with their cultural complexity, they don't want the latin american born and raised.
They want the vagueness of an other they can tout around as their token diverse.
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i feel so much kinship with others in the global south. this is worded beautifully. much love, from a lebanese arab
@@Ches19. MY DARLING WE LOVE OUR MIDDLE EASTERN FRIENDSSSSSS yall are latinos in my heart nhadvgyhdfv the global south shares the same pains and it fucks me up but we've got each other. we've had each other.
@@aimeejenesse116 AW this means so much thank you!!🥹 i swear latino and arab culture have so much in common (beyond the pain of western imperialism lol) you guys are totally honorary arabs too hahaha. we do got each other’s backs because who else will? here’s hoping for brighter futures for both our peoples♥️
This is giving me HIV Living flashbacks 😭
Whenever I see book drama, it always inspires me a little in that "these weirdos can get agents, so maybe I could as well". I used to write all the time when I was younger, so these dramas have a strange effect of making me want to try writing again. ...without putting down poc, of course.
You can do it ✌
Fool, you'll never make it in the publishing industry with that mindset 😂
Honestly same lol. Suddenly feeling really confident about my non-existent book getting published if all these people can somehow finesse their way in. Let's go girl.
Not surprised, nor am I gagged by the audacity, but I am perpetually baffled. Piecing this back together on a six hour drive home from was a wilder ride than The Wives.
I like that you also touched on the importance of pen names for queer authors and authors of color and the way shit like this happening robs other people in small ways. The internet is so unreal
what's so wild is that the only reason i became aware of freydis moon in the first place is because of anna zabo's original twitter thread a few years ago calling freydis out because they got a "bad vibe" from them & thought they were suspicious but didn't have any concrete evidence. and at the time pretty much everyone (myself included!) was on freydis's side, and thought it was a case of a white author going after a qpoc for no reason. and then they turned out to be right!!! we should have listened to them!!!
honestly understandable to be in the position you were in! people shouldn't throw stones so easily if something hasn't truly been proven. but it sucks that bad actors get away with stuff for so long unless ppl put in the burden of extensive proof
In middle school, I read a book where the main character went by Red. I decided I wanted to be "edgy" and told my friends to start calling me Green. That cringy phase lasted for all of a week. Turns out, rather than picking colors, you can pick races now. And one alter ego is not enough. Hearing Cindy read out the quotes Taylor says online are very ick.
I can't stop thinking about that sketch with the guy in the hotdog costume saying "we're all trying to find out who did this" about the Oscar Meyer wienermobile crashing into a store....
The yelp I yulped
@@jazwhoaskedforthis YULPED?!!? 😭😭
There's a whole extra layer of depravity to this. When Freydis still had a lot of credibility to their name, they had (and might still have) a WHOLE lot of fans and followers who would blindly believe everything they said about other indie authors, and would witch hunt and harass them into silence as a result. Cardigan WAS an asshole, but publicly pummeling smaller authors is something of a routine pattern of behavior for whoever-the-fuck-this-person-is.
I happen to be close friends with an author who was once targeted by this due a VERY public misunderstanding, and while they tried to politely clarify and resolve the issue in private with Freydis, they went on fanning the flames of controversy in public, spreading information that they knew damn well at that point wasn't true. The verbal harassment went on for like 2-4 weeks and left that author completely isolated from the community in a way that still hurts them to this day. Even if it wasn't just a misunderstanding, the level of abuse Freydis had a tendency to incite onto others was so far past the boundary of acceptable that it's kind of insane.
They're far from the only one, too. Freydis practically specialized in using their platform to alienate other authors in the community over very flimsy slights, perceived wrongdoings, outright made-up wrongdoings, or even something as simple as speaking poorly of Freydis -- particularly other queer and neurodivergent indie authors. One of the more notable moments of this was when Freydis and another author/several other authors got into an argument over the expectation of sexuality in indie romance/fiction. When they disagreed with Freydis, they baselessly accused the other authors of being racist. Which their followers believed 100%, and harassed the authors as a result while Freydis went on a blocking spree. This is far from the only time that exact accusation has played out with them.
I absolutely cannot fathom why they did this, since, as you said, they clearly had no problem with getting places in publishing. It was exclusively bullying for the sake of it, and a lot of authors were traumatized and forced into silence because of it.
So if racefaking and mass deceit and manipulation on a level that would make the CIA uncomfortable wasn't enough, they used that same platform that they built off of completely fabricated identities to attack other authors basically just because they could. They'd make a spectacular supervillain, ngl.
Ah yes cooking while listening to Cindy talk about book tea I’ve been blessed
whatcha cooking?
@@withcindy I am making lemon pepper grilled chicken basically but ended up making chicken nuggets for my four year old crotch gremlin lols
@@dovahmiinthat sounds lovely, hope that dinner is amazing as this tea ❤️
You reminded me I wanted to make tea while watching this ❤
@@dovahmiin yummm I haven't had chicken nuggets in forever!!
Me, after deleting Twitter, TikTok, Insta, etc...: I am *so* done with internet and social media drama.
Cindy: **uploads**
Half of these words would kill like anyone who actually goes outside.
Every time there's a book drama like this I just think of R F Kuang sipping tea.
I have a few author friends who have been hurt by Freydis, and while I didn't know them personally, I looked up to them, being an author myself. Hearing about what they've done is so disgusting and deceiving, not only as a writer but as a friend and client to their publisher and agent.
thank you for talking about this situation! your videos are always amazing.
It sucks that people's good faith were taken advantage of. Writers always prosper with community support, not competition and deceit
I saw "author was caught faking their race with multiple identities" and was surprised when this video wasn't about hivliving. 🙃 Thank you for the book recommendations!
Cindyyy could you maybe please make a follow up vid to the one where you covered a reviewer that was harrassed by an extreme horror author who dedicated his (disgusting) book to her? I recently saw a tiktok where she said goodreads is siding with matt shaw and deleted her review and from other people criticizing him on GR, pleasee I think its very important that everyone learns that GR (again) is doing nothing
damn wtf i didnt hear about that
@@withcindycould be because it was very recent, the tiktok i saw came out yesterday so i am guessing maybe more people will look into it, but its so terrible how some authors can get away with anything. btw ty for covering this case! as a latina it hits closer to home, i am halfway through it and will comment again once i am done 🙌
what is with authors constantly self destructing their own careers what strange behavior
This is not surprising as white Latinos benefit from latinidad more than Latinos of color (even though Latinos of color bear the brunt of the racialization of latinidad) so this author used that to their benefit. They got more than Latinos of color because publishers could gain “diversity points” by having a queer Latinx person while not having to deal with an actual queer person of color.
Side note: Latino is not a racial identity, it’s an ethnic identity. There can be white, Black, Asian Latinos. Not all Latinos are people of color.
the gag is this person is not even white latino!
Exactly, thinking latinos are a racial identity is particularly ignorant to the diverse range of ethnicity we have as an ethnic community
I’ve only heard people of color being used in English. In Latina America that term isn’t used. Eres blanco, moreno o trigueño
@@Jakub680it’s because of the long history of the United States trying to erase mixed people because all our laws are based on skin color :(
are all authors going thru some mass hysteria thing wtf
something is in the water i fear
8:11 is basically the opposite of "call me, beep me, if you want to reach me". You got this researched and filmed fast! Finally I will understand what's going on and laugh a little while learning. Thank you for your service
since it happened over the weekend i had the time. if it happened during the work week it would have been difficult lol
@@withcindy Also, as a librarian I love how much metadata plays a role!
One thing about Latinx. It DID originate with queer communities in Latin America and was NOT made up by white people. That is a huge misconception about Latinx. It was co-opted by white academics and then got a ton of resistance from Latin Americans since the majority of them hearing about it were not queer or were themselves either homophobic or homonormative, surprise surprise. The hatred of this term is largely due to hatred against nonbinary ppl by cis het Latin American ppl.
The thing is, Latin American queer communities are many and varied and thus there are different ways that developed to refer to nonbinary people like Latine Latinx and many more. Queer Latin Americans are not a monolith, so when a bunch of people come and say very strongly that Latinx is not an actual world used by queer people just know that it is and it actually came from Spanish speaking queer people not white academics.
I leaned this from a queer linguistics class I took in uni. I could provide the name of the speaker for that day and dig it out my old syllabus if anyone is curious to learn more or directly from the source.
thank u!! its frustrating when ppl get angry in my comments about it. like chillll im just respecting people's terms
I think Latinx is kind of bad, because screen readers can't read it, making it bad for accessibility reasons.
To be fair, I also don't enjoy seeing people using X to neutralise words because in Brazil, usually the ones who do it are cis and/or people who are making fun of non binary people like you said.
Also, this is just a nitpick, but saying "white academics" doesn't mean anything. Latines can be of any race, we have white academics too, I am one of them actually lol
@@lordarthur2165 yes thank you true there are white Latin American people, sorry for my word choice. I used the term bc it is a common term used in the discourse at least in the US. Ppl will just say that Latinx came from “white academics” I should have been clearer I really meant academics from outside Latin America (of which there others who aren’t white of course) it’s not useful but the intent was that these academics are just outsiders, observers not form queer communities nor from Latin America
@@jordanbrown3816 yeah, that's a great point too. People from marginalized backgrounds are also part of academia. I am not a person of colour, but I am a trans man and I know how important it's for us to be in those positions doing scientific/academic work.
Also, don't worry, I hope I didn't come though as aggressive. I was just nitpicking because that's something that usually annoys me a lot. Nothing good comes out of erasing the whiteness of people from Latin America, because it gives this wrong idea that racism doesn't exist here and it also erases the whole process of colonization that happened here.
Ínaru Nadia was the speaker. A trans, cuir and nonbinary activist and journalist if anyone wants to check out their stuff
Cait Corrain has a lot to learn from this person...
Cait Corrain should seek mentorship
We appreciate Cindy's honesty in what she was doing on 4/20 and so missed the inital explosion 😂
Every time I even think about working on my own work instead of fanfiction, Cindy comes out with another of these videos.
6:02 "Listen to _my_ community" I think "internalized racism" isn't the only weird statement in that apology.
As a white person, PLEASE keep making it about race. We need to be called out. So much of everything is tied into race, because white people MADE it that way. Thank you for talking about this.
Thank u!!
I love how you really break these things down. I get real bad impostor syndrome a lot, but then I learn authors like this exist and it makes me feel a bit better.
There is some misconceptions of the Latinx term! It is very much a real term however ripped apart by a lot of Latin American groups due to the myth of it originating from "white liberals/Americans," it was a term used by Latin American Netizens in the early 2000s to advocate trans/gender non-conforming inclusivity in a very gendered language. It is very much a term that got slack for being "cringe," difficult to say in Spanish, or became the punching bag for a lot of conservative Latin American groups/outlets because of the idea of progressiveness HAS to come from the US or something. I personally use Latine/Latino since it's such a better pronunciation but the hate against that term is very much rooted into it being the punching bag of queer activism as most Latin American countries are still dangerously conservative (I only speak as a Mexican though, as recently our openly non-binary magistrate was murdered along with their partner).
FINALLY someone said it ❤
I don't get the latinx term used by gringos :-(
I know in Spanish we often use x or e in words as you very well said, for inclusivity in a very gendered language. But I don't get why people born and raised in USA started using the term in our behalf. That's the part that is cringe of it, for me. It seems that "latinx" became a satirical way for gringos to try to introduce themselves in something they're not part of, they call themselves "monolingual latinxs" when they mean... English speaking gringos, born and raised, whose parents or even grandparents were from somewhere in Latin America?
We are not the same. I get they suffer racism of xenophobia in USA (even when they were born and raised there) because it seems it is a very racist country, but being a victim of racism doesn't make you a "latinx" because it's not about that. It's not about being "brown" or calling your mom "mama" or whatevs. I feel like gringos got it all wrong and they appropriated themselves of a term that doesn't make sense in their context, it feels like a joke, a mockery u_u
See, this is why I prefer animals. My dog would never do this.
Absolutely ludicrous that this is a genre of person now. When you say "This white author was pretending to be a person on color on Twitter", my response shouldn't be (but is) "Which one?"
Having your second identity trashtalk your friend and the same friend to go to you for emotional support is crazy 😮
if i had a nickel for every time an author was exposed to be faking their race.... i'd be a millionaire
do they use they/them pronouns bc theyre apparently like 11 different ppl 💀
(this is a joke i also use they/them)
lmaooo this made me chuckle
Just chilling as a member of the borg 😂
I heard about this a few days ago and took down the posts I had on Instagram featuring her books. Some people really don't care about harming collectives if it means getting attention. Thanks for covering this case!
thanks for being so quick to remove their books!
I have no idea who any of these people are but your account of this outrageously confusing story has been thoroughly entertaining so... new subscriber here!
welcomeeee
"you know this is serious when there's a google doc" so true! that's the way to know it's over over, you have a whole google doc manifest about you 😂
unrelated but kinda related, when i was a teenager i would sometimes pretend to be a boy online, but never did anything related to race or social justice, it was a different time in 2008 though. i think, like other commenters have said, this person is deeply mentally ill. i was very mentally ill at that time, have now been through therapy/medication and now understand they were part of my delusions of grandeour.
I love the way you sprinkle humor in your videos, while also still being completely serious about heavy situations
I will derail from the video topic to just say, that ad transition was so fucking smooth, I almost spit my drink it really caught me by surprise lmao. Watching the ad segments for the humor
hahaha thank you for appreciating the segue
I wonder if they had like an excel spreadsheet tree chart to keep track of who was enemy and who was friend with each identity
Yeah, no, if you're a white, queer person who is offended that Cindy (or anyone) is pointing out the bad things that white queer people or specifically white women are doing, then you need to step back and pull your own ego out of the situation. It isn't a personal attack against you, queerness, or women, it's noting a troubling pattern within the white queer demographic. It is about race because white people made it about race. This video wouldn't exist if they hadn't.
For clarity, I am a white trans dude, and I'm speaking specifically to other white people. Think of it this way, when a woman frustratedly asks, "Why do these dudes hate women so much?" when talking about misogyny, is she literally saying every man hates women? No! Of course not, only the most insecure man would think so and react accordingly.
THANK you! Ppl take it so personally when I am clearly talking about a systemic issue and repeated pattern
I told my friend about this and she said “oh my god why does this always happen” 😭💀
girl you have no idea how much i wanted you to make this video. i only go into booktwt when there's drama so i had absolutely 0 context as to who this person was or what had happened, been praying for a deep dive
thank u for describing my situation withing the first 2 minutes, glad to know we're in the same boat here T-T
"my legal name is daniella" what's my name doing here
its so insane the way they singlehandedly say "werewolves being south american is racist' when as a brazilian i personally prefer the brazilian werewolf mythos over any of the gringo bullshit on the global north. i just find "a seventh brother of 6 older sisters is compelled to wander cemiteries on friday nights to transform into a giant wolfman" a much fun and metal idea to work with, but i guess the person who wrote a book called ninth life and then proceeded to create 9 alternate identities knows better
Latin mythos can be so interesting and fun to write in stories but of course, she would rather cosplay than do actual research or participation in appreciating our culture
"chili chili mango" should've been the first red flag, that's genuinely so insane