This author was caught faking their race with multiple identities: a deep dive into Freydis Moon

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  • @annabelleslator6441
    @annabelleslator6441 5 місяців тому +5746

    New phone, who Freydis?

  • @lilyholic_
    @lilyholic_ 5 місяців тому +4677

    as a black brazilian i find it very funny that this person did not fake being a white latine, it would be so easy for them 😭

    • @lordarthur2165
      @lordarthur2165 5 місяців тому +468

      Cara, eu tava pensando a mesma coisa kkkkkk
      Nem para fazer uma mentira boa, eu acho que é porque tem muito gringo que acha que tode latine é um pessoa racializada, quando ser latine é uma nacionalidade, não uma etnia.

    • @elizzadeath
      @elizzadeath 5 місяців тому +251

      RIGHT?!?!?

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +1597

      nah they were like i gotta go BROWN

    • @beksfue5937
      @beksfue5937 5 місяців тому +170

      ​​@@lordarthur2165tal vez esqueceu que existem mais países na América Latina do que o México. E também acha que todos os Mexicanos somos cafés (marroes?) -_-
      Erro típico de gringos racistas.
      (Me desculpe pelo meu português, ainda estou aprendendo)

    • @lordarthur2165
      @lordarthur2165 5 місяців тому +114

      @@beksfue5937 sim, é sempre muito engraçado quando eles acham que a gente é tudo a mesma coisa, quando dentro de um mesmo país é cheio de variações regionais.
      Aliás, você está indo bem no português! Só a palavra marrom que você errou, o plural de marrom é marrons e a o "mexicanos somos cafés", acho que a terceira pessoa ("são" ao invés de "somos") se encaixaria melhor. Mas não se preocupe que dá para entender perfeitamente o que você quiz dizer, meus parabéns, aprender outra língua é difícil.

  • @CMAlongi
    @CMAlongi 5 місяців тому +8575

    These writers know that R. F. Kuang's YELLOWFACE was a fictional story, not a step-by-step guide, right?

    • @yougtoo
      @yougtoo 5 місяців тому +202

      pls 😭💀

    • @mariaerdgzn
      @mariaerdgzn 5 місяців тому +573

      maybe it was misplaced in the DIY section at b&n…

    • @emilyparisjohnson
      @emilyparisjohnson 5 місяців тому +184

      I got so confused because I’m not a regular participant in booktok but I am a theater nerd and there is a play by David Henry Hwang of the same name with similar satire and themes. If anyone is interested I highly recommend.

    • @EldritchOverlord
      @EldritchOverlord 5 місяців тому +18

      This. Like jfc

    • @dontmindmev
      @dontmindmev 5 місяців тому +7

      ​@@mariaerdgzn plssss im dying

  • @adrianfridge
    @adrianfridge 5 місяців тому +984

    I'm legit surprised you didn't even get to the juiciest reveal: Freydis Moon is the one who "exposed" Cait Corrain. When Xiran Jay Zhao brought up the topic, they didn't name names in order to try to still keep it private, but then Freydis was the one who blasted out Cait's name and forced everything public

    • @radiantirl8278
      @radiantirl8278 3 місяці тому +116

      WHAT

    • @kiss_my_ash
      @kiss_my_ash 3 місяці тому

      PARDON

    • @genesisofthebetween
      @genesisofthebetween 3 місяці тому

      Damn, book-asshole infighting

    • @iansorono5376
      @iansorono5376 3 місяці тому +160

      Who would win? Person with multiple pen names to avoid the consequences of their actions VS person with multiple alt accounts to review bomb other authors

    • @MintyBingus
      @MintyBingus 3 місяці тому +19

      OH MY GOD??????

  • @erikdaniels0n
    @erikdaniels0n 5 місяців тому +10143

    Seems like this person saw the Cait Corrain situation and was like “lmao I can be messier.” The hell you mean they kept this up for *FIVE YEARS*

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +2199

      cait corrain: who are you
      freydis moon: im you but stronger

    • @kgal1298
      @kgal1298 5 місяців тому +255

      Hahaha I had the same reaction. 5 YEARS?????

    • @belovedwinter
      @belovedwinter 5 місяців тому +239

      I can hardly keep people's Christmas presents a secret for 2 months never mind THIS WHOLE ASS MESS

    • @yamiyugi2894
      @yamiyugi2894 5 місяців тому +16

      king shit

    • @firewolfandrewb
      @firewolfandrewb 5 місяців тому +88

      Finally, a sequel to Rachel Dolezal

  • @bepi1114
    @bepi1114 5 місяців тому +4305

    any one of us could be taylor at this point. it could be you, it could be me, it could be cindy

  • @JPWrites
    @JPWrites 5 місяців тому +1957

    What boggles my mind is that it's so hard to get an agent, and this person managed to do it three times under different identities???

    • @drawingsticks5333
      @drawingsticks5333 5 місяців тому +281

      I guess she actually is good at writing but instead of writing books she keeps getting caught into this.

    • @finboror
      @finboror 5 місяців тому +155

      You can achieve anything if you're a pathological liar

    • @tamarleahh.2150
      @tamarleahh.2150 4 місяці тому +130

      I had the same thoughts. Either the writing is phenomenal or it's playing into some crazy confirmation bias.

    • @moustik31
      @moustik31 4 місяці тому +43

      Ikr?! They must be good at writing, couldnt they focus their energy on that?!

    • @ramunesoda1
      @ramunesoda1 4 місяці тому +88

      Lol that doesn't necessarily mean that they are a good writer. They just know how to write what agents are looking for. As someone who has had an agent in the past, they are very much looking for a specific kind of story and writing especially if you are an author of color or masquerading as one.

  • @Caiuxa190
    @Caiuxa190 5 місяців тому +3955

    This is what happens when people get tired of writing fanfiction on AO3 and start writing fanfiction IRL.

    • @citlalialvarado666
      @citlalialvarado666 5 місяців тому

      What in the Yellowface is going the hell on

    • @MagisterialVoyager
      @MagisterialVoyager 5 місяців тому +169

      Pandemic online community made me learned that some people ARE this messy and more. They’re living for the drama even though it never ends well.

    • @MeganAllen1738
      @MeganAllen1738 5 місяців тому +27

      Not fan fiction IRL 😂😂😂

    • @Sh12pen
      @Sh12pen 5 місяців тому +26

      Self insert taken too far...

  • @brierrandall3374
    @brierrandall3374 5 місяців тому +4524

    As a white skinned latino, I think it's funny that she felt the need to really convey that she was darker skinned when portraying a latino person 😂 really goes to show just how ignorant she is about latino identities

    • @k80_
      @k80_ 5 місяців тому +563

      Yeah genuinely they coulda said they were Argentinian or Uruguayan or even Spanish… but this wasn’t about making sense, it was about seeing what they could get away with.

    • @angelawossname
      @angelawossname 5 місяців тому +90

      Is Latino the correct term? I'm Australian so forgive my ignorance. Why is Latinx considered offensive? Foreigners think that "aborigine" isn't a slur, so I appreciate your frustration.

    • @bookish.calirican
      @bookish.calirican 5 місяців тому +529

      @@angelawossname”Latino” and “Latina” are Spanish words, and to most Spanish-speaking people those are the correct terms to use in reference of someone from Latin America or people of Latin American descent living outside of the region. Spanish is a gendered language, a lot of words are either masculine or feminine. There is a moment within the Latin American community (esp in the USA) to develop gender neutral variants of gendered Spanish words. Latinx and Latine are meant to be used as gender neutral word for Latino/Latina. But there’s debate within the community about the ‘validity’ of these new words.

    • @angelawossname
      @angelawossname 5 місяців тому +36

      @@bookish.calirican thankyou.

    • @schrodinger_punk
      @schrodinger_punk 5 місяців тому +296

      ​@@angelawossnameusing x, e, or even @ to represent women and gender fluid people within a group has been a thing in Latin America since the 90's (probably even before that). Queer and punk communities have been using those suffixes for ages but now it's become mainstream thanks to years of work from queer and feminist activists. E, x, and @ are perfectly valid.

  • @moonjui
    @moonjui 5 місяців тому +736

    im crying at them continuing to post their SAME cat under each fake name like bro 😭

    • @KadaArt
      @KadaArt 4 місяці тому +10

      Right like huh

    • @camille1324
      @camille1324 3 місяці тому +99

      I mean there are a lot of similar looking black cats out there but the backgrounds are what gets me. Like you’d think after getting caught the first time they could figure a way to just…not use the same backgrounds. like get a tablecloth or something it’s not rocket science

    • @comradeRat8545
      @comradeRat8545 3 місяці тому +37

      And it’s a tortoiseshell. Tortoiseshells are all unique. If it was a black cat or a basic orange tabby it would have been less obvious.

  • @JulianGreystoke
    @JulianGreystoke 5 місяців тому +2093

    As a white queer woman I'm starting to worry that I don't have several identities to grift with. Am I behind? When do people normally start doing that? Oh god I'm 38 and I haven't done a single identity scam!

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +450

      This comment made me lol, thank u

    • @Skaði
      @Skaði 5 місяців тому +110

      if you figure it out can you tell me? I really need a manual on this I don't know where to start!

    • @_koraki
      @_koraki 5 місяців тому +35

      I think whatever grift it is you have to have plausible deniability and minimal proof

    • @thelexicon7294
      @thelexicon7294 5 місяців тому +88

      Can we get some kind of time management resource? I feel like I don’t have time to have DM convos with my POC alts, but maybe I’ve been mismanaging my time. Maybe there’s some responsibilities I could cut to make room for a network of aliases.

    • @amberanthony883
      @amberanthony883 5 місяців тому +43

      I’m 70. I have no game for this. I’ll watch.

  • @LyrinaeSings
    @LyrinaeSings 5 місяців тому +9398

    This person really said "I'm not an ABUSER, I'm a RACIST, get it right" lmao

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +824

      djlkasldjksa omg

    • @honinakecheta601
      @honinakecheta601 5 місяців тому +941

      It's giving, "I Can Excuse Racism But I Draw The Line At Animal Cruelty" XD

    • @per-c8229
      @per-c8229 5 місяців тому +309

      ​@@honinakecheta601 "You can excuse rasim?" Always appreciated a Community reference =)

    • @Shyknit
      @Shyknit 5 місяців тому +135

      ​@@per-c8229 the writers of the show really knew what they were doing lol that exchange always makes me laugh for several minutes

    • @per-c8229
      @per-c8229 5 місяців тому +22

      @@Shyknit The first time I watched it made me hate Brita, then I got the joke and a laugh, still don't like her but I can laugh about it =)

  • @RariettyC
    @RariettyC 5 місяців тому +635

    I write as a hobby, and sometimes I think that my plot ideas are too outlandish, but then some non-fictional drama happens that makes me realize that absolutely anything I could make up on the spot would probably not be as batshit insane as the lengths some scammers go to when they're desperate

    • @Lemoncakelover678
      @Lemoncakelover678 5 місяців тому +11

      You can be the next kuang lol

    • @DinoCultist
      @DinoCultist 5 місяців тому +30

      For me it's whenever I remember that author who wrote the personification of Covid as a love interest

    • @WildArtistsl
      @WildArtistsl 4 місяці тому +6

      😮wtf i am curious but at the same time not ​@@DinoCultist

    • @DinoCultist
      @DinoCultist 4 місяці тому

      @WildArtistsl oh it is a TRIP! I looked him up and forgot it was a whole series called "Kissing the Coronavirus"
      The author is M.J. Edwards and he has other titles as well, including "Mating with the Mantis" and "Penetrated by the President's Twitter Feed"
      There's another person who does similar stuff called Chuck Tingle and his titles are W I L D ! ! ! The one that always cracks me up is "Bisexual Mothman Mailman Makes A Special Delivery In Our Butts" Oh and who can forget "Pounded In The Butt By The Sentient Physical Manifestation Of My Writer's Block Then Realizing I've Already Found Inspiration By Literally Writing About How I'm Not Inspired"
      These are all real titles. If even the idea of these exist to the point where there are so many of these and they're all selling on Amazon, you can write anything!

    • @hahahahahahahahaa6580
      @hahahahahahahahaa6580 4 місяці тому +9

      ​@@DinoCultistwas it Chuck Tingle? That dude's books are entirely unhinged and I can't help but love him for it.

  • @Cherry20955
    @Cherry20955 5 місяців тому +1322

    oh my god the picture of them with the sugar skull bandana is in black and white so you can't tell they're white, i am HOWLING

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +206

      EXACTLYYYYY

    • @michelletuband
      @michelletuband 3 місяці тому +11

      Her hiding her hand in the background of the cat pic got me

  • @effarig4017
    @effarig4017 5 місяців тому +1769

    This entire fiasco sounds like a pitch for an American Dad episode where the family argues over whose favorite author is superior for them to all end up being Roger.

    • @kikoonthemove
      @kikoonthemove 5 місяців тому +151

      God I can just imagine them asking “okay Roger, since we all disagree who’s your favorite?” As he’s walking into the kitchen and him just responding “none of them they were all me” then walking back out.😂

    • @QT200ppm
      @QT200ppm 5 місяців тому +3

      😂😂😂

    • @mayagarcia-hector2732
      @mayagarcia-hector2732 5 місяців тому +1

      I’m dead

    • @mamabear1394
      @mamabear1394 4 місяці тому +6

      ​@@kikoonthemoveAnd then they get mad and try to kill him

  • @aratoho
    @aratoho 5 місяців тому +604

    Love how Cardigan tried to come back like "a-ha! see?" and everyone just went "no ✨"

    • @Sing_A_Rebel_Song
      @Sing_A_Rebel_Song 5 місяців тому +50

      That’s the funniest part of this whole thing 😂

    • @KadaArt
      @KadaArt 4 місяці тому +7

      Made me laugh a bit

    • @akyle6765
      @akyle6765 4 місяці тому +62

      I was waiting for the reveal that Cardigan was also Freydis.

    • @radiantirl8278
      @radiantirl8278 3 місяці тому +8

      @@akyle6765LMFAO SAME

  • @iamtheplague5879
    @iamtheplague5879 5 місяців тому +3730

    Going to therapy-❌
    Creating multiple fake identities and keeping twitter acounts to publish a bunch of books instead of doing any self reflection-✅

    • @princeofdarkness4711
      @princeofdarkness4711 5 місяців тому +54

      one cost money while the other is free with lots of undeserved validation.

    • @tamarbeker1701
      @tamarbeker1701 5 місяців тому +69

      Honestly? Out of this context, larping on the internet can be considered harmless fun. Disassociation from your own identity in order to try and get into the mindset of a character you made up can be rad. Just not like that.

    • @Professor_Brie
      @Professor_Brie 5 місяців тому +27

      This feels like what happens when you listen to the thoughts of “what if I did a crime? I bet I could pull it off” or “What if I just…started lying on the internet? Who could stop me?”

    • @BelBelle468
      @BelBelle468 5 місяців тому

      @@tamarbeker1701 reminds me of that Republican straight white man who cosplayed as a Republican black gay man to try and “validate” republicans online.

    • @Sh12pen
      @Sh12pen 5 місяців тому

      Ah yes, the pipeline of downloading a car to identity theft 😂😂​@@Professor_Brie

  • @necronival
    @necronival 5 місяців тому +208

    when cindy said people found out they were the same person through ASTROLOGICAL CHARTS... my jaw was on the floor

    • @Iexist8003
      @Iexist8003 2 дні тому

      ASTROLOGICAL CHARTS???? HUH?
      NOTHING LIKE “Oh this writing is similar to blank”

  • @Omnipresentpigeon
    @Omnipresentpigeon 5 місяців тому +400

    If you wanted a new identity, then write under a different pen name, and locate yourself in a different state or something…Changing your race is INSANEEEE

    • @absurdum-the-artist
      @absurdum-the-artist 5 місяців тому +38

      Pretend to be some sort of flavor of European maybe lol. I can’t with these people

    • @finboror
      @finboror 5 місяців тому +50

      ​@@absurdum-the-artist "As an Italianx person, I cooka da pasta" do you really think this is any better

    • @absurdum-the-artist
      @absurdum-the-artist 5 місяців тому +12

      @@finboror NO LOL. However I think most would agree that Italians are less oppressed

    • @finboror
      @finboror 5 місяців тому +25

      @@absurdum-the-artist Indeed they are...nowadays, at least. But the point still stands: regardless on how much or how little Americans bully some culture, you maybe shouldn't genuinely try to impersonate it lol

    • @absurdum-the-artist
      @absurdum-the-artist 5 місяців тому +5

      @@finboror I agree with that

  • @babyhippo3000
    @babyhippo3000 5 місяців тому +961

    so this is my personal account, but i am a fantasy author who shared an agent with “freydís” and considered them a friend for over a year. they introduced me to my agent (who was also their agent at the time) they blurbed my book, i blurbed theirs, we chatted frequently, the works. i can tell you from personal experience that the depths of their depravity and deceit are shocking and go deeper than just their posts. i genuinely believe there is something deeply, intrinsically wrong with them that cannot be fixed. they create these false identities and slip between them with ease that i can only describe as sinister, and they seek out up and coming authors and industry professionals-generally queer and bipoc-and attach to them like a leech. i have rarely felt more violated. anyway, in the end i was the one to being the thread of proof to our then shared agent and within a couple hours they were dropped so…poetic justice i guess.

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +250

      i'm so sorry you experienced the misfortune of crossing paths with them :( your good faith and willingness to support your peers shouldn't have been taken advantage of like that

    • @babyhippo3000
      @babyhippo3000 5 місяців тому +183

      @@withcindy thank you! that is so kind! one positive is since i pulled my blurb from the gideon testaments i was able to open up my requests to actual queer latine authors and have already read some really wonderful books because of it. other authors have been doing that as well which is fantastic imo. anyway, really great video! i won’t comment much in the future as i don’t wanna be in reader spaces too much even on my priv, but you def got a subscriber! 🫶🏻

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +99

      @@babyhippo3000 ur always welcome to comment whenever u wanna share something or chat! Glad some good things came out of the situation, and wishing u all the best with ur writing ❤️

    • @babyhippo3000
      @babyhippo3000 5 місяців тому +58

      @@withcindy thank you, same to you! i’m sophia slade on my public socials! ☺️

    • @christineherrmann205
      @christineherrmann205 5 місяців тому +35

      As someone who was married to someone with DID, my primary reaction to this story was "This person is ill."

  • @alexreid1173
    @alexreid1173 5 місяців тому +1308

    How do these people even keep track of all the different people they’re pretending to be???

    • @banafanafofana6914
      @banafanafofana6914 5 місяців тому +265

      Imagine if they have DnD character sheets so they know how each fake account is meant to act 😂

    • @leontrotsky7816
      @leontrotsky7816 5 місяців тому +122

      I suspect corkboards criss-crossed with lots of strings might be involved.

    • @elleporter3157
      @elleporter3157 5 місяців тому +88

      not well enough to update the metadata 🥴

    • @rikimaru700
      @rikimaru700 5 місяців тому +4

      Multiple personality disorder maybe?

    • @sphericalspiders
      @sphericalspiders 5 місяців тому +92

      @@rikimaru700No, this really isn’t how DID works. I bet there’s some crazy spreadsheets involved.

  • @cathym1365
    @cathym1365 5 місяців тому +648

    The way they sabotaged themself multiple times because they kept on taking the same photos 😭

    • @mkay8894
      @mkay8894 5 місяців тому +80

      No fr!! Imagine if they didn’t take the same photos, no one would have ever found out

    • @cathym1365
      @cathym1365 5 місяців тому +65

      For someone who made such devious and complex plans they really forgot the small details 💀

    • @Romanticoutlaw
      @Romanticoutlaw 5 місяців тому +36

      imagine being both a writer and *THAT* creatively bankrupt 💀

    • @AC_336
      @AC_336 5 місяців тому +17

      ​@@Romanticoutlaw all the creativity points went towards creating those identities.

    • @moustik31
      @moustik31 4 місяці тому +7

      And manuscripts!!!
      😭

  • @ohmaidarlin
    @ohmaidarlin 5 місяців тому +249

    this is like Scooby Doo, but the unmasked villain of a whole season its just the same guy on slightly different costumes every time!
    “And I would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for you meddling kids!”

    • @krow5099
      @krow5099 5 місяців тому +3

      I thought about it 😂😂😂

    • @artsyscrub3226
      @artsyscrub3226 2 місяці тому +2

      If only a furry helpped so we couldda said
      "And your damn dog too!"

  • @aylishoconaill6710
    @aylishoconaill6710 5 місяців тому +369

    As an afro-latina I appreciate when you said "this is not my discourse to be a part of". A lot of ethnic people feel entitled to discuss any racial issue even if it doesn't relate to them specifically. Your nuanced approach is refreshing and very welcome.

  • @emackenzie
    @emackenzie 5 місяців тому +186

    12:00 Holy fuck the absolute tone deaf rant of "characters of color don't have to be tied to a culture, let them be NORMAL" as if African and South American stories aren't... normal? Then complaining that the paranormal genre has been whitewashed??

    • @Kyra-qn3nh
      @Kyra-qn3nh 2 місяці тому +8

      Fr, I was cringing so hard at that tweet.🤦‍♀️

  • @theunexpectedsmile5535
    @theunexpectedsmile5535 5 місяців тому +220

    I feel like I need multiple bulletin boards with pictures, charts, diagrams, labels, pins, and multicolored string to keep up with this - and I’m just barely peeking in here. How could anyone keep up with this for 5 years???

    • @DiMagnolia
      @DiMagnolia 4 місяці тому +12

      I kept having to go back to re-listen to parts of this video because the story is so convoluted. Cindy did a great job but wow what a complex story.

  • @21kaduku
    @21kaduku 5 місяців тому +1689

    "wHy aRe yOu mAkiNg tHiS aBoUt qUeEr wHiTe wOmEn"
    because they're always making it about themselves

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +217

      YUPPPPP

    • @purrsefonie
      @purrsefonie 5 місяців тому +42

      spilled

    • @dereineschwarzerabe
      @dereineschwarzerabe 5 місяців тому +51

      Lmao they always feel so attacked everytime even tho its not about themselves

  • @lenimeredracone9579
    @lenimeredracone9579 5 місяців тому +390

    I truly believe In like a year or two we're gna find out that all of book twitter is actually just 5 people getting into arguments with themselves using different accounts

    • @absolutew33b
      @absolutew33b 5 місяців тому +34

      And Colleen Hoover is somehow all 5 of them

    • @IronWangCreates
      @IronWangCreates 4 місяці тому

      5 racists in a trenchcoat

  • @sydney6548
    @sydney6548 5 місяців тому +125

    it's so unbelievably insane that this person could just like. quietly write good books and garner a pretty decent following, but instead did this. THE SCAM IS MORE EFFORT THAN JUST BECOMING A GENUINELY GOOD AUTHOR

    • @valenz1234
      @valenz1234 2 місяці тому

      The problem is making a new identity, as a POC person the first time they got cancelled. Now they will forever have that stain. Nobody will want to work with them again if it's found out. They should have taken the criticism gracefully first time round and kept making books.

  • @fernandafuentes6858
    @fernandafuentes6858 5 місяців тому +210

    I'm watching this from mexico city, baffled. This gringa really logged into twitter for years and went 'mi gente latinooo'

    • @GioInvestigatesFrogs
      @GioInvestigatesFrogs 5 місяців тому +15

      Stooop not the JLo reference 😂

    • @DiMagnolia
      @DiMagnolia 4 місяці тому +8

      Watching from Chiapas and baffled 😂 I screamed at the mazapán

    • @Marasaorykgsm
      @Marasaorykgsm 4 місяці тому +1

      STOOOOP IT!!!

  • @mysticcat22
    @mysticcat22 5 місяців тому +482

    i’m glad you mentioned that a number of white queer people co-opt issues and concepts which are associated with poc, it’s like a gross attempt to get sympathy points. The apology was so icky because the language seemed lifted straight from poc discourse.
    You are right, those individuals don’t see the full spectrum of being a poc, they only see the support and opportunities created in a small subset of the internet, yet they still want to encroach on that space. Thanks for putting my discomfort into words.

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +80

      Thank u for validating my words!! I got so many argumentative ppl the last time I brought that up 🙄

    • @mysticcat22
      @mysticcat22 5 місяців тому +40

      @@withcindy aww you’re welcome! i can’t believe people celebrate diversity in lit, then in the same breath argue with a poc bringing up issues of race

    • @cocoabeanz6171
      @cocoabeanz6171 5 місяців тому

      what confuses me is... they're queer. They're already marginalized.
      They at least know what discrimination is like, even if not racism. why do they want another layer of systemic discrimination against them?

    • @tiamystic
      @tiamystic 5 місяців тому +3

      Yeah people like that piss me off.

  • @jareaus
    @jareaus 5 місяців тому +113

    this was like watching 50 people do a really bad costume change in theatre

  • @artemis7104
    @artemis7104 5 місяців тому +417

    i know logically that people are willing to fake anything, yet im still surprised every time something this outrageous happens

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +101

      caucasity knows no bounds

    • @CL-lx2pm
      @CL-lx2pm 5 місяців тому +28

      ​@@withcindyEvery time I see shit like this I say a little thank you to my social anxiety lmao

  • @Sheristen
    @Sheristen 4 місяці тому +133

    "Uphold yourself with the same confidence as a white writer trying to catfish as you" motivational. Needed this today Cindy ❤

  • @kgal1298
    @kgal1298 5 місяців тому +461

    5 years? The dedication I don't even stay at jobs for 5 years. 3 years tops.

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +75

      Literally same I didn't even stay in school for that long

    • @IronWangCreates
      @IronWangCreates 4 місяці тому +4

      I signed up for a doctors surgery recently, and then when it was time to go in for them to check my ID I realised I’d forgotten what doctors surgery id signed up for. This was in the space of a week. If she doesn’t have multiple google docs tracking all this information then she is truly built different and built wrong.

  • @BrianaMichelleMeyer
    @BrianaMichelleMeyer 5 місяців тому +663

    I’m here. Lunch is almost done heating up. I’m ready.

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +99

      whatcha eating for lunch

    • @BrianaMichelleMeyer
      @BrianaMichelleMeyer 5 місяців тому +78

      Left over beef

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +49

      @@BrianaMichelleMeyer omg I'm gonna eat the same for dinner

  • @TheRonnieaj
    @TheRonnieaj 5 місяців тому +68

    I’ve heard nothing about this (I deleted Twitter a few months back), but I find it WILD that I had the Taylor’s blocked but followed Freydis. The level of effort to maintain such different identities boggles my mind.

  • @grapefruitTwostep
    @grapefruitTwostep 5 місяців тому +154

    I was a critique partner of this person in the ancient year of 2014 (they then went by Taylor Brooke and as far as I know, I provided critique for their first novel but honestly what is the truth) The amount of racist shit I tried and failed to get them to cut out of their work earned them the nickname The Racist Wiccan amoung my friends. Shouldn’t be surprised AND YET here we are

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +61

      NOOOOOO the way they only experienced character development in the worst way

    • @birb5306
      @birb5306 5 місяців тому +8

      Holy shit, like what? (No pressure to say, I’m just nosy sasdfghjdll)

    • @grapefruitTwostep
      @grapefruitTwostep 5 місяців тому +50

      @@birb5306 ​​⁠A lot of it was kind of classic stereotyping: a Black woman described as “sassy”, a Japanese character with a Chinese surname and a family that ran a sushi restaurant to prove he was Japanese. At the time I figured we were both just young and white and still unlearning stuff at our own paces and they’d grow out of it (wrong, obviously). But they did once go on a rant regarding something in my work about a character of color making a comment about white people that I remember vividly because they were upset that as a white person, they “weren’t allowed to talk about certain issues” and “couldn’t go to the wrong neighborhoods” and also that reverse racism was real. They generally seemed really pissed that there were spaces in this world that just weren’t for them. Guess they decided they were gonna get in there no matter what

    • @jazwhoaskedforthis
      @jazwhoaskedforthis 4 місяці тому

      That is a wild name and yet I'm not surprised unfortunately

  • @RamenzillaX
    @RamenzillaX 5 місяців тому +182

    They love writing so much that they wrote themselves 80 different identities.

  • @witchflowers6942
    @witchflowers6942 5 місяців тому +57

    shocked and horrified a fellow bisexual orca/cetacean enthusiast was getting bullied. We stand together 🐋

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +20

      Hahaha I'm gonna send this comment to her so she knows she's got an ally 💖🐋

  • @m.a.w.
    @m.a.w. 5 місяців тому +383

    I am so tired of people faking their ethnicity. A tale as old as time but no one enjoys the story.”

  • @TiffWaffles
    @TiffWaffles 4 місяці тому +53

    Why do this? This writer spent five years pretending to be somebody they weren't when they should have spent all of that effort rebuilding their reputation, acknowledging their past wrongs, and I don't know... maybe writing their books. Instead, they spent five years hurting an entire community of people, and continues to hurt the very people and community by doubling down and refusing to acknowledge what they've done.

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  4 місяці тому +13

      i think they get more of a thrill pretending to be this persona than writing their books

    • @i10i60
      @i10i60 4 місяці тому +1

      It might be motivated as revenge against POC and allies on Twitter because Taylor felt like they were being bullied/cancelled unfairly. Manipulating the same community that cancelled them for being racist by pretending to be "LaTiNx"- I imagine Taylor to be devilishly twirling their moustache.
      Some people enjoy manipulating others and pat themselves on the back for 'cleverly' hurting others. Taylor was outed for being an unapologetic racist bully initially.

  • @killercutie
    @killercutie 5 місяців тому +1273

    Ngl, I got whiplash reading the video title and war flashbacks to the last time something like this happened 💀💀💀.
    Edit: As someone who is Hispanic but often worries that I’m not Hispanic enough, fuck it I’m gonna take Cindy’s advice. If this person could claim being Hispanic than my half Puerto Rican descendant ass certainly can lol.

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +245

      and it wasnt that long ago either

    • @killercutie
      @killercutie 5 місяців тому +118

      @@withcindy Maybe the eclipse is bringing out the crazy in everyone because what is going on fr fr.

    • @Rikku147
      @Rikku147 5 місяців тому +34

      This has happened before!? Bro I gotta stop taking breaks from book news 💀

    • @killercutie
      @killercutie 5 місяців тому +17

      @@Rikku147 For some reason it won’t stop happening 💀💀💀

    • @PJguy
      @PJguy 5 місяців тому +31

      I feel this! I’m half hispanic too. It’s true that just saying this fact about yourself can bring judgment. And then some people will think I’m using my identity as an accessory, like I’m only mentioning it to make myself more interesting.🥲

  • @fusetunes
    @fusetunes 5 місяців тому +161

    this author would've thrived during the eras of ms. scribe sockpuppeting and that person who faked being hiv positive to write hamilton fanfics

    • @questionstar
      @questionstar 5 місяців тому +15

      LMAOoo I thought of these too! It's like this BS isn't new, but the scale definitely feels way bigger now lololol

    • @birb5306
      @birb5306 5 місяців тому +1

      FR!!!!!

    • @Romanticoutlaw
      @Romanticoutlaw 5 місяців тому +19

      booktok would not survive the tomas jefferson hatsune miku binder era 💀

    • @octolingo1892
      @octolingo1892 5 місяців тому +8

      That person who WHAT

    • @HeckingHampter
      @HeckingHampter 3 місяці тому +3

      ​@@octolingo1892 Tldr; a hamilton fanfic author pretended to be a POC traffiking survivor with HIV for years. If you're curious, Strange Aeons has a video on them.

  • @xdani_thethinkingneko
    @xdani_thethinkingneko 5 місяців тому +329

    This is honestly beyond aggravating. I'm bi-racial, and mixed with Peruvian and I'm also half Irish/Eastern European. I take after my dad more in terms of my coloration, and I've literally had people tell me my whole life that I'm not peruvian. That I'm lying about it. People like this just make things more difficult for people like me who are actually mixed, and because of how genetics work we don't always look mixed.... like me, even though my features on my face are typically peruvian, because my skin is so pale people automatically assume I'm white.
    This really is so f**ked. I hate when people try to as others have said cosplay as a minority. It is so sickening. 😡
    Edit: no way did she actually try to claim that she had the same name as I do 😡 absolutely ridiculous.

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +138

      u might as well claim ur culture cuz a fully white person will do it with no fear!!

    • @xdani_thethinkingneko
      @xdani_thethinkingneko 5 місяців тому +48

      ​@@withcindy oh I do claim that I am 😜💓 I wouldn't consider myself to be a poc, just because I have white privilege ,because I pass as white. But I do consider myself to be biracial. I would never forget that I'm peruvian❤
      People like her, just make me realize how important it is to be proud of that part of my heritage.... because f*ck them lol
      Also , I just got to the part where she actually said she had the same name as me at one point, which is just bizarre to think about. 😅

    • @xiimorals
      @xiimorals 5 місяців тому +52

      I'm indigenous, but also THE WHITEST looking person alive. I understand you fully. It's infuriating.

    • @Eosinophyllis
      @Eosinophyllis 5 місяців тому +20

      Felt this as a Metis and Ukrainian girlie. I look. So white. I feel bad claiming indigenous, even though I didn’t understand most French accents cuz I was used to what michif french sounds like

    • @angelawossname
      @angelawossname 5 місяців тому +15

      Oh, I'm the same. I look 100% like my dad, but I have his features as well as his skin tone. I look very, very stereotypically Ashkenazi. My mum is Indigenous Australian. Growing up I wasn't accepted as either, since Jews are traditionally matrilineal.

  • @emilyepew
    @emilyepew 4 місяці тому +37

    The crazy part is that with the similar manuscripts, they were either guilty of plagiarism or race-faking like they were screwed regardless

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  4 місяці тому +18

      A lose lose situation of their own making!

    • @emilyepew
      @emilyepew 4 місяці тому

      @@withcindy truly

  • @yessica7654
    @yessica7654 5 місяців тому +238

    How do authors even have the time/energy to pull this off i cant barely get out of bed everyday

    • @bookbelle5475
      @bookbelle5475 5 місяців тому +14

      This 100%, everytime sometime like this happens I'm just like how do you even have the time to do this?

    • @Lemoncakelover678
      @Lemoncakelover678 5 місяців тому +5

      And where tf even happen to shame like how can you even lie like this, let alone 5 years?

  • @2natrix
    @2natrix 5 місяців тому +212

    How do you keep it up for FIVE YEARS?? I have to be honest that's impressive. Like at no point in those five years did you have a guilty conscience? How do you not ask yourself what the hell you're doing for YEARS?

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +55

      maybe theyre in it too deep now and thats why they keep insisting theyre real lol

    • @Lemoncakelover678
      @Lemoncakelover678 5 місяців тому +2

      I think they still had a guilty conscience but still decide to go along with the lie anyway

    • @AC_336
      @AC_336 5 місяців тому +3

      When she was asked to make a statement, she literally said those who believe the lies may leave her page and those who don't believe it are welcomed to stay. No remorse and if she did feel sorry, she's only sorry she got caught.

    • @ilikechococookies342
      @ilikechococookies342 3 місяці тому

      Hell forget conscience, where do you find the TIME to keep this up for five years? They didn’t come across a single more compelling hobby in five years?

  • @GreatGreebo
    @GreatGreebo 4 місяці тому +43

    *Creepshow Art:* “Nobody in the online creative space is more Bat Shite Crazy than me!!!”
    *Freydis Moon:* “Hold my beer….”

  • @jacksmith7660
    @jacksmith7660 5 місяців тому +235

    I have a sister in law like this. She told me she was a white passing Latina; which we Latinos come in all shades so I didn’t even think she was lying. It was kinda odd how she spoke to me since she really puts on a show like this person did with always bringing it up how white people suck and how we need more poc in stuff. Like a year later I met her mother at a family Christmas party and I don’t know how this conversation came up but I found out from her mother that both her parents have no Latin roots, they were like white Americans that bragged about their German roots and to this day is the oddest thing ever for someone to lie about their heritage. Like my sister in law still says odd crap on her instagram like she will # one of her photos something like: “brown girls do it better”, and I cringe every single time especially when she gets comments how white she is and she cries about it. I don’t know man, I hate how racist people are to me so I don’t understand why someone would want that or maybe they just want the attention without the racism which I also don’t like it when people comment how “sexy Latinos are” it makes me feel uncomfortable. I had an ex who only dated me for being Latino which was super weird. This whole thing is fucked and this person is annoying for lying.

    • @Jakub680
      @Jakub680 5 місяців тому

      Los gringos son un poco loco. latino no tiene nada de especial, solamente hablar un idioma que viene de latín 😂

    • @MasoTrumoi
      @MasoTrumoi 5 місяців тому +46

      I think it's just seen as easy to "be more interesting". I usually call myself Blanco, because both my parents and most of my grandparents are either Brazilian or Argentinian, but entirely of European descent. I've occasionally been mistaken for light-skin arabic depending on how I cut my beard and hair, but usually people just see "white guy" or call me mixed.
      Even so, my brothers all just claim whiteness and treat the family roots as more like a bit of trivia, while I try to wear it on my shoulder a bit more while being honest about what the roots are. I always make it very clear I'm not a PoC, just from a different culture of colonizers.
      However, from my perspective as a white latin guy, whiteness is viewed in a similar way to suburbia. It's safe and privileged but also usually considered boring. Same way that anime and fantasy are huge with suburban kids who sit around bored with their day-to-day and crave adventure, lots of white kids crave the danger and unique situations of being a PoC. It's a fantasy for them, a way to feel like their life is more of an adventure.
      I've heard that before, my family has clear family lore about where each ancestor is from, so I'll explain like 4-8 different regions my family comes from and circumstances and a lot of other White people go "wow that's so cool, I'm just boring old Irish" and I get super confused because I personally love Irish history.
      Most White people, like my brothers, treat their cultural heritage as secondary or entirely separated from their personal identity. They don't think of themselves as "a descendant of German and Irish immigrants" and dig into what that means for them in the context of colonialism, they just get used to the whiteness box and want to leave it.
      Whiteness as an identity is very oppression focused, anything that isn't about being a colonial power is about how lame they are (bland food, bad at dance, dorky speech, etc). It's not an identity anyone wants to be unless they are trying to stay as privileged and safe as possible or push down their superiority. But we live in a modern society that fetishizes the underdog, so that's what people want to be seen as in their struggles. It is very much entitlement.
      If anyone who read this whole ass essay is White, I'd recommend you look into where in Europe you're from and then don't write it off when you find out. Everywhere has cool history and your entire identity doesn't need to be a white colonizer, but if you pretend to be a PoC then that's all you're being, a colonizer.

    • @namedrop721
      @namedrop721 5 місяців тому +5

      @@MasoTrumoithis was very well said

    • @jazwhoaskedforthis
      @jazwhoaskedforthis 4 місяці тому +2

      I'm sorry people fetishized you like that, that's so uncomfortable. And it's bonkers that they lied to you?? Like why

    • @personne-fp6cr
      @personne-fp6cr Місяць тому

      ​@@MasoTrumoii think this is genuinely the best way i've ever seen anyone put this, you really hit the nail on the head with the underdog fetishization

  • @taylorfisse2978
    @taylorfisse2978 5 місяців тому +34

    Twist: Jupiter is actually Ebony Darkness Dementia Raven Way

  • @jolakristin281
    @jolakristin281 5 місяців тому +297

    Quitting my audiobook of yellowface for real book drama ✨😂❤️

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +102

      who needs to read that book when u got the real deal here

  • @IronWangCreates
    @IronWangCreates 4 місяці тому +16

    I lost my EarPod in my bed for over 2 days and this person is keeping track of how many identities for HOW MANY YEARS?

  • @TheFlowerbeast
    @TheFlowerbeast 5 місяців тому +99

    Cindy immediately said "their words, not mine" which was a smart move 😂 I wouldn't want the topic of the video to be buried under that kind of debate

  • @esthershi
    @esthershi 5 місяців тому +116

    This sounds like those CW soap plots where you have the same actor playing 3 different characters.

    • @krow5099
      @krow5099 5 місяців тому

      It’s giving Riverdale vibes

    • @ashleyholste448
      @ashleyholste448 4 місяці тому

      my comparison was kingdom hearts XD

  • @odearflannery7781
    @odearflannery7781 5 місяців тому +120

    It's crazy how her personality never changed no matter what race she was😂

    • @AC_336
      @AC_336 5 місяців тому +4

      Because to her, race is all that matters.

    • @elianaslivia4405
      @elianaslivia4405 4 місяці тому +7

      She’s so bad at making fake identities, I’m sobbing 😭 like Ma’am! If you want to fake your identity don’t put the same zodiac signs at the very least!

    • @randompromises1038
      @randompromises1038 4 місяці тому +2

      At least give one of your alts an actual Latine surname?? Like Martinez or Rodriguez like jfc

  • @aimeejenesse116
    @aimeejenesse116 5 місяців тому +423

    I am Argentinian. That's my nationality, my identity. I'm Argentinian, porteña, from Buenos Aires and my grandpa was born in La Boca by the river. My first years were watching Boca's stadium from my window.
    I am also Latin American - which is a broader umbrella that means I share not culture, maybe, with a Peruvian or a Chilean but I share region, struggles, colonisation past and present. A brazilian and I are the same in the way we might kiss each other's cheeks and how our uncles were violently murdered by an US- backed dictatorship.
    We are the same, an Ecuadorian and I, in the way our land is constantly disputed by the US and their companies, how they want to take take take. We're the same in our friendlyness but I drink Mate and they drink Coffee. In the land I was born a different indigenous group lived and was murdered, a different national story was written.
    Latine is an umbrella and it makes us siblings in a pain and joy only we know. It doesn't make us the same. Gringos *think* we're the same, they think we're all the same shade and have the same yellow filtered home and we're all peppering spanish in our phrases.
    *They think being latin american is being a vague other and that's what Taylor Barton took advantage of, because publishing doesn't want the chaos and tension and specifics that come with a Latin American identity*, they want the comfortable vagueness of an other that reaffirms they're American, in the USA sense.
    They don't want the diaspora latine with their cultural complexity, they don't want the latin american born and raised.
    They want the vagueness of an other they can tout around as their token diverse.

    • @ariadnajaime6295
      @ariadnajaime6295 5 місяців тому +29

      Re lindo tu comentario

    • @aliciajimenez7444
      @aliciajimenez7444 5 місяців тому +19

      Excelente comentario 👏

    • @Ches19.
      @Ches19. 5 місяців тому +25

      i feel so much kinship with others in the global south. this is worded beautifully. much love, from a lebanese arab

    • @aimeejenesse116
      @aimeejenesse116 5 місяців тому +18

      @@Ches19. MY DARLING WE LOVE OUR MIDDLE EASTERN FRIENDSSSSSS yall are latinos in my heart nhadvgyhdfv the global south shares the same pains and it fucks me up but we've got each other. we've had each other.

    • @Ches19.
      @Ches19. 5 місяців тому +13

      @@aimeejenesse116 AW this means so much thank you!!🥹 i swear latino and arab culture have so much in common (beyond the pain of western imperialism lol) you guys are totally honorary arabs too hahaha. we do got each other’s backs because who else will? here’s hoping for brighter futures for both our peoples♥️

  • @thewitchbasket
    @thewitchbasket 4 місяці тому +33

    This is giving me HIV Living flashbacks 😭

  • @TotoroK9
    @TotoroK9 5 місяців тому +121

    Whenever I see book drama, it always inspires me a little in that "these weirdos can get agents, so maybe I could as well". I used to write all the time when I was younger, so these dramas have a strange effect of making me want to try writing again. ...without putting down poc, of course.

    • @ShreeNation
      @ShreeNation 5 місяців тому +5

      You can do it ✌

    • @coolgirl3890
      @coolgirl3890 5 місяців тому +5

      Fool, you'll never make it in the publishing industry with that mindset 😂

    • @Lucia-te1wp
      @Lucia-te1wp 5 місяців тому +1

      Honestly same lol. Suddenly feeling really confident about my non-existent book getting published if all these people can somehow finesse their way in. Let's go girl.

  • @dylanwickersham5610
    @dylanwickersham5610 5 місяців тому +159

    Not surprised, nor am I gagged by the audacity, but I am perpetually baffled. Piecing this back together on a six hour drive home from was a wilder ride than The Wives.

  • @caprisbookisland
    @caprisbookisland 5 місяців тому +31

    I like that you also touched on the importance of pen names for queer authors and authors of color and the way shit like this happening robs other people in small ways. The internet is so unreal

  • @cookkeh
    @cookkeh 5 місяців тому +66

    what's so wild is that the only reason i became aware of freydis moon in the first place is because of anna zabo's original twitter thread a few years ago calling freydis out because they got a "bad vibe" from them & thought they were suspicious but didn't have any concrete evidence. and at the time pretty much everyone (myself included!) was on freydis's side, and thought it was a case of a white author going after a qpoc for no reason. and then they turned out to be right!!! we should have listened to them!!!

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +34

      honestly understandable to be in the position you were in! people shouldn't throw stones so easily if something hasn't truly been proven. but it sucks that bad actors get away with stuff for so long unless ppl put in the burden of extensive proof

  • @heathercook691
    @heathercook691 5 місяців тому +9

    In middle school, I read a book where the main character went by Red. I decided I wanted to be "edgy" and told my friends to start calling me Green. That cringy phase lasted for all of a week. Turns out, rather than picking colors, you can pick races now. And one alter ego is not enough. Hearing Cindy read out the quotes Taylor says online are very ick.

  • @BE-ew2pt
    @BE-ew2pt 5 місяців тому +146

    I can't stop thinking about that sketch with the guy in the hotdog costume saying "we're all trying to find out who did this" about the Oscar Meyer wienermobile crashing into a store....

    • @jazwhoaskedforthis
      @jazwhoaskedforthis 4 місяці тому +3

      The yelp I yulped

    • @l.u.n.e
      @l.u.n.e 3 місяці тому +1

      ​@@jazwhoaskedforthis YULPED?!!? 😭😭

  • @ecrusar5216
    @ecrusar5216 5 місяців тому +27

    There's a whole extra layer of depravity to this. When Freydis still had a lot of credibility to their name, they had (and might still have) a WHOLE lot of fans and followers who would blindly believe everything they said about other indie authors, and would witch hunt and harass them into silence as a result. Cardigan WAS an asshole, but publicly pummeling smaller authors is something of a routine pattern of behavior for whoever-the-fuck-this-person-is.
    I happen to be close friends with an author who was once targeted by this due a VERY public misunderstanding, and while they tried to politely clarify and resolve the issue in private with Freydis, they went on fanning the flames of controversy in public, spreading information that they knew damn well at that point wasn't true. The verbal harassment went on for like 2-4 weeks and left that author completely isolated from the community in a way that still hurts them to this day. Even if it wasn't just a misunderstanding, the level of abuse Freydis had a tendency to incite onto others was so far past the boundary of acceptable that it's kind of insane.
    They're far from the only one, too. Freydis practically specialized in using their platform to alienate other authors in the community over very flimsy slights, perceived wrongdoings, outright made-up wrongdoings, or even something as simple as speaking poorly of Freydis -- particularly other queer and neurodivergent indie authors. One of the more notable moments of this was when Freydis and another author/several other authors got into an argument over the expectation of sexuality in indie romance/fiction. When they disagreed with Freydis, they baselessly accused the other authors of being racist. Which their followers believed 100%, and harassed the authors as a result while Freydis went on a blocking spree. This is far from the only time that exact accusation has played out with them.
    I absolutely cannot fathom why they did this, since, as you said, they clearly had no problem with getting places in publishing. It was exclusively bullying for the sake of it, and a lot of authors were traumatized and forced into silence because of it.
    So if racefaking and mass deceit and manipulation on a level that would make the CIA uncomfortable wasn't enough, they used that same platform that they built off of completely fabricated identities to attack other authors basically just because they could. They'd make a spectacular supervillain, ngl.

  • @dovahmiin
    @dovahmiin 5 місяців тому +210

    Ah yes cooking while listening to Cindy talk about book tea I’ve been blessed

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +23

      whatcha cooking?

    • @dovahmiin
      @dovahmiin 5 місяців тому +26

      @@withcindy I am making lemon pepper grilled chicken basically but ended up making chicken nuggets for my four year old crotch gremlin lols

    • @Kairosx28
      @Kairosx28 5 місяців тому +2

      @@dovahmiinthat sounds lovely, hope that dinner is amazing as this tea ❤️

    • @colleen6644
      @colleen6644 5 місяців тому +1

      You reminded me I wanted to make tea while watching this ❤

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +7

      @@dovahmiin yummm I haven't had chicken nuggets in forever!!

  • @CSRaeburn
    @CSRaeburn 5 місяців тому +13

    Me, after deleting Twitter, TikTok, Insta, etc...: I am *so* done with internet and social media drama.
    Cindy: **uploads**

  • @mayagarcia-hector2732
    @mayagarcia-hector2732 5 місяців тому +10

    Half of these words would kill like anyone who actually goes outside.

  • @ChemicalPenguinn
    @ChemicalPenguinn 5 місяців тому +88

    Every time there's a book drama like this I just think of R F Kuang sipping tea.

  • @kddimitri
    @kddimitri 5 місяців тому +39

    I have a few author friends who have been hurt by Freydis, and while I didn't know them personally, I looked up to them, being an author myself. Hearing about what they've done is so disgusting and deceiving, not only as a writer but as a friend and client to their publisher and agent.
    thank you for talking about this situation! your videos are always amazing.

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +11

      It sucks that people's good faith were taken advantage of. Writers always prosper with community support, not competition and deceit

  • @mirandabee2323
    @mirandabee2323 5 місяців тому +13

    I saw "author was caught faking their race with multiple identities" and was surprised when this video wasn't about hivliving. 🙃 Thank you for the book recommendations!

  • @lexa4160
    @lexa4160 5 місяців тому +120

    Cindyyy could you maybe please make a follow up vid to the one where you covered a reviewer that was harrassed by an extreme horror author who dedicated his (disgusting) book to her? I recently saw a tiktok where she said goodreads is siding with matt shaw and deleted her review and from other people criticizing him on GR, pleasee I think its very important that everyone learns that GR (again) is doing nothing

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +51

      damn wtf i didnt hear about that

    • @lexa4160
      @lexa4160 5 місяців тому +26

      ​@@withcindycould be because it was very recent, the tiktok i saw came out yesterday so i am guessing maybe more people will look into it, but its so terrible how some authors can get away with anything. btw ty for covering this case! as a latina it hits closer to home, i am halfway through it and will comment again once i am done 🙌

  • @lenhano
    @lenhano 5 місяців тому +135

    what is with authors constantly self destructing their own careers what strange behavior

  • @justcallmeivonne
    @justcallmeivonne 5 місяців тому +55

    This is not surprising as white Latinos benefit from latinidad more than Latinos of color (even though Latinos of color bear the brunt of the racialization of latinidad) so this author used that to their benefit. They got more than Latinos of color because publishers could gain “diversity points” by having a queer Latinx person while not having to deal with an actual queer person of color.
    Side note: Latino is not a racial identity, it’s an ethnic identity. There can be white, Black, Asian Latinos. Not all Latinos are people of color.

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +24

      the gag is this person is not even white latino!

    • @Lemoncakelover678
      @Lemoncakelover678 5 місяців тому +12

      Exactly, thinking latinos are a racial identity is particularly ignorant to the diverse range of ethnicity we have as an ethnic community

    • @Jakub680
      @Jakub680 5 місяців тому +9

      I’ve only heard people of color being used in English. In Latina America that term isn’t used. Eres blanco, moreno o trigueño

    • @namedrop721
      @namedrop721 5 місяців тому +1

      @@Jakub680it’s because of the long history of the United States trying to erase mixed people because all our laws are based on skin color :(

  • @exhaustedhomo7059
    @exhaustedhomo7059 5 місяців тому +68

    are all authors going thru some mass hysteria thing wtf

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +20

      something is in the water i fear

  • @nonoticarly8778
    @nonoticarly8778 5 місяців тому +68

    8:11 is basically the opposite of "call me, beep me, if you want to reach me". You got this researched and filmed fast! Finally I will understand what's going on and laugh a little while learning. Thank you for your service

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +18

      since it happened over the weekend i had the time. if it happened during the work week it would have been difficult lol

    • @nonoticarly8778
      @nonoticarly8778 5 місяців тому +2

      @@withcindy Also, as a librarian I love how much metadata plays a role!

  • @jordanbrown3816
    @jordanbrown3816 5 місяців тому +33

    One thing about Latinx. It DID originate with queer communities in Latin America and was NOT made up by white people. That is a huge misconception about Latinx. It was co-opted by white academics and then got a ton of resistance from Latin Americans since the majority of them hearing about it were not queer or were themselves either homophobic or homonormative, surprise surprise. The hatred of this term is largely due to hatred against nonbinary ppl by cis het Latin American ppl.
    The thing is, Latin American queer communities are many and varied and thus there are different ways that developed to refer to nonbinary people like Latine Latinx and many more. Queer Latin Americans are not a monolith, so when a bunch of people come and say very strongly that Latinx is not an actual world used by queer people just know that it is and it actually came from Spanish speaking queer people not white academics.
    I leaned this from a queer linguistics class I took in uni. I could provide the name of the speaker for that day and dig it out my old syllabus if anyone is curious to learn more or directly from the source.

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +7

      thank u!! its frustrating when ppl get angry in my comments about it. like chillll im just respecting people's terms

    • @lordarthur2165
      @lordarthur2165 5 місяців тому +5

      I think Latinx is kind of bad, because screen readers can't read it, making it bad for accessibility reasons.
      To be fair, I also don't enjoy seeing people using X to neutralise words because in Brazil, usually the ones who do it are cis and/or people who are making fun of non binary people like you said.
      Also, this is just a nitpick, but saying "white academics" doesn't mean anything. Latines can be of any race, we have white academics too, I am one of them actually lol

    • @jordanbrown3816
      @jordanbrown3816 5 місяців тому +5

      @@lordarthur2165 yes thank you true there are white Latin American people, sorry for my word choice. I used the term bc it is a common term used in the discourse at least in the US. Ppl will just say that Latinx came from “white academics” I should have been clearer I really meant academics from outside Latin America (of which there others who aren’t white of course) it’s not useful but the intent was that these academics are just outsiders, observers not form queer communities nor from Latin America

    • @lordarthur2165
      @lordarthur2165 5 місяців тому +3

      @@jordanbrown3816 yeah, that's a great point too. People from marginalized backgrounds are also part of academia. I am not a person of colour, but I am a trans man and I know how important it's for us to be in those positions doing scientific/academic work.
      Also, don't worry, I hope I didn't come though as aggressive. I was just nitpicking because that's something that usually annoys me a lot. Nothing good comes out of erasing the whiteness of people from Latin America, because it gives this wrong idea that racism doesn't exist here and it also erases the whole process of colonization that happened here.

    • @jordanbrown3816
      @jordanbrown3816 5 місяців тому +5

      Ínaru Nadia was the speaker. A trans, cuir and nonbinary activist and journalist if anyone wants to check out their stuff

  • @anna2731
    @anna2731 5 місяців тому +43

    Cait Corrain has a lot to learn from this person...

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +14

      Cait Corrain should seek mentorship

  • @roselover411
    @roselover411 5 місяців тому +42

    We appreciate Cindy's honesty in what she was doing on 4/20 and so missed the inital explosion 😂

  • @christineherrmann205
    @christineherrmann205 5 місяців тому +12

    Every time I even think about working on my own work instead of fanfiction, Cindy comes out with another of these videos.

  • @OxyMauron
    @OxyMauron 5 місяців тому +20

    6:02 "Listen to _my_ community" I think "internalized racism" isn't the only weird statement in that apology.

  • @Keroanne
    @Keroanne 5 місяців тому +5

    As a white person, PLEASE keep making it about race. We need to be called out. So much of everything is tied into race, because white people MADE it that way. Thank you for talking about this.

  • @honey_bee1905
    @honey_bee1905 5 місяців тому +10

    I love how you really break these things down. I get real bad impostor syndrome a lot, but then I learn authors like this exist and it makes me feel a bit better.

  • @fetchiko
    @fetchiko 5 місяців тому +59

    There is some misconceptions of the Latinx term! It is very much a real term however ripped apart by a lot of Latin American groups due to the myth of it originating from "white liberals/Americans," it was a term used by Latin American Netizens in the early 2000s to advocate trans/gender non-conforming inclusivity in a very gendered language. It is very much a term that got slack for being "cringe," difficult to say in Spanish, or became the punching bag for a lot of conservative Latin American groups/outlets because of the idea of progressiveness HAS to come from the US or something. I personally use Latine/Latino since it's such a better pronunciation but the hate against that term is very much rooted into it being the punching bag of queer activism as most Latin American countries are still dangerously conservative (I only speak as a Mexican though, as recently our openly non-binary magistrate was murdered along with their partner).

    • @banafanafofana6914
      @banafanafofana6914 5 місяців тому +10

      FINALLY someone said it ❤

    • @ariadnajaime6295
      @ariadnajaime6295 5 місяців тому +5

      I don't get the latinx term used by gringos :-(
      I know in Spanish we often use x or e in words as you very well said, for inclusivity in a very gendered language. But I don't get why people born and raised in USA started using the term in our behalf. That's the part that is cringe of it, for me. It seems that "latinx" became a satirical way for gringos to try to introduce themselves in something they're not part of, they call themselves "monolingual latinxs" when they mean... English speaking gringos, born and raised, whose parents or even grandparents were from somewhere in Latin America?
      We are not the same. I get they suffer racism of xenophobia in USA (even when they were born and raised there) because it seems it is a very racist country, but being a victim of racism doesn't make you a "latinx" because it's not about that. It's not about being "brown" or calling your mom "mama" or whatevs. I feel like gringos got it all wrong and they appropriated themselves of a term that doesn't make sense in their context, it feels like a joke, a mockery u_u

  • @witchynerdhermit
    @witchynerdhermit 3 місяці тому +5

    See, this is why I prefer animals. My dog would never do this.

  • @yusufkadar
    @yusufkadar 3 місяці тому +5

    Absolutely ludicrous that this is a genre of person now. When you say "This white author was pretending to be a person on color on Twitter", my response shouldn't be (but is) "Which one?"

  • @AC_336
    @AC_336 5 місяців тому +6

    Having your second identity trashtalk your friend and the same friend to go to you for emotional support is crazy 😮

  • @user-kx5en8dg7u
    @user-kx5en8dg7u 5 місяців тому +163

    if i had a nickel for every time an author was exposed to be faking their race.... i'd be a millionaire

  • @orxalowe
    @orxalowe 5 місяців тому +19

    do they use they/them pronouns bc theyre apparently like 11 different ppl 💀
    (this is a joke i also use they/them)

    • @perlyshell
      @perlyshell 5 місяців тому +4

      lmaooo this made me chuckle

    • @beckyginger3432
      @beckyginger3432 4 місяці тому +1

      Just chilling as a member of the borg 😂

  • @librisinetenebris
    @librisinetenebris 5 місяців тому +46

    I heard about this a few days ago and took down the posts I had on Instagram featuring her books. Some people really don't care about harming collectives if it means getting attention. Thanks for covering this case!

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +10

      thanks for being so quick to remove their books!

  • @SCCatarino
    @SCCatarino 5 місяців тому +9

    I have no idea who any of these people are but your account of this outrageously confusing story has been thoroughly entertaining so... new subscriber here!

  • @cryptickatz
    @cryptickatz 5 місяців тому +9

    "you know this is serious when there's a google doc" so true! that's the way to know it's over over, you have a whole google doc manifest about you 😂

    • @cryptickatz
      @cryptickatz 5 місяців тому +2

      unrelated but kinda related, when i was a teenager i would sometimes pretend to be a boy online, but never did anything related to race or social justice, it was a different time in 2008 though. i think, like other commenters have said, this person is deeply mentally ill. i was very mentally ill at that time, have now been through therapy/medication and now understand they were part of my delusions of grandeour.

  • @WritingWithMS
    @WritingWithMS 4 дні тому

    I love the way you sprinkle humor in your videos, while also still being completely serious about heavy situations

  • @keats2137
    @keats2137 5 місяців тому +34

    I will derail from the video topic to just say, that ad transition was so fucking smooth, I almost spit my drink it really caught me by surprise lmao. Watching the ad segments for the humor

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +5

      hahaha thank you for appreciating the segue

  • @deja5477
    @deja5477 4 місяці тому +5

    I wonder if they had like an excel spreadsheet tree chart to keep track of who was enemy and who was friend with each identity

  • @hellbreakfast1590
    @hellbreakfast1590 5 місяців тому +12

    Yeah, no, if you're a white, queer person who is offended that Cindy (or anyone) is pointing out the bad things that white queer people or specifically white women are doing, then you need to step back and pull your own ego out of the situation. It isn't a personal attack against you, queerness, or women, it's noting a troubling pattern within the white queer demographic. It is about race because white people made it about race. This video wouldn't exist if they hadn't.
    For clarity, I am a white trans dude, and I'm speaking specifically to other white people. Think of it this way, when a woman frustratedly asks, "Why do these dudes hate women so much?" when talking about misogyny, is she literally saying every man hates women? No! Of course not, only the most insecure man would think so and react accordingly.

    • @withcindy
      @withcindy  5 місяців тому +3

      THANK you! Ppl take it so personally when I am clearly talking about a systemic issue and repeated pattern

  • @mrspreminger
    @mrspreminger 4 місяці тому +4

    I told my friend about this and she said “oh my god why does this always happen” 😭💀

  • @danibanez
    @danibanez 5 місяців тому +6

    girl you have no idea how much i wanted you to make this video. i only go into booktwt when there's drama so i had absolutely 0 context as to who this person was or what had happened, been praying for a deep dive

    • @danibanez
      @danibanez 5 місяців тому

      thank u for describing my situation withing the first 2 minutes, glad to know we're in the same boat here T-T

    • @danibanez
      @danibanez 5 місяців тому

      "my legal name is daniella" what's my name doing here

  • @Kappinna
    @Kappinna 5 місяців тому +7

    its so insane the way they singlehandedly say "werewolves being south american is racist' when as a brazilian i personally prefer the brazilian werewolf mythos over any of the gringo bullshit on the global north. i just find "a seventh brother of 6 older sisters is compelled to wander cemiteries on friday nights to transform into a giant wolfman" a much fun and metal idea to work with, but i guess the person who wrote a book called ninth life and then proceeded to create 9 alternate identities knows better

    • @Lemoncakelover678
      @Lemoncakelover678 5 місяців тому +1

      Latin mythos can be so interesting and fun to write in stories but of course, she would rather cosplay than do actual research or participation in appreciating our culture

  • @obiwandong985
    @obiwandong985 28 днів тому +2

    "chili chili mango" should've been the first red flag, that's genuinely so insane