Hello! I'm the OP of the document and twitter thread! (and also a long-time watcher of your channel!) I just wanted to quickly address a few things: 1) The document is no longer available publicly because the person whose face Kim used in the profile pics requested to have it taken down. I'm happy to see you also saw my tweet about it and censored her in the video! Thank you! (To anyone wondering, no I'm not putting the doc back up. I'm also just too lazy to censor her throughout the doc and honestly the post accomplished what I wanted it to, which was to warn others in the writing community.) 2) About "Jina Wu" and what an Asian household looks like. This has been brought up to me before and I agree that I definitely could have worded it better and apologize for how it might have sounded.Asian Diaspora is too diverse to quantify. I truly wish I had saved the doc... because it's hard to explain WHY I clocked it as inauthentic without being able to show it. 3) When the ~asian music~ played during the slideshow of tweets started playing I fucking bark-laughed. 4) Yes to EVERYTHING you said there at the end. Anyway thank you for being hilarious as always and for covering this!!!!!!
Your instincts definitely paid off. Even here in asian countries, the mixing of different races. Fil-Chi, Thai-Jap, Viet-White and we have absorption of other cultures to the point that names can be anything. Filipino names are the best. Genesis, Cherry Pie, Princess, I once had a child at the end of an 18 hour hospital shift whose name was Alucard and his mom told me his dad liked video games.
@@itsgonnabeanaurfromme@itsgonnabeanaurfromme oh gosh my friend who lives in Korea has a lot of Filipino friends and she said they have similar energy to us Brazilians and this comment just confirmed. Brazilians are very creative when it's time to naming their kids.
I'm not in the publishing community so I read that book before I knew this was a thing that was happening. How could any white writer think being Asian was going to help them get a deal? I can just walk through a bookstore and observe the overwhelming whiteness of the titles available. Turn on TV. Go to the movies. It's so clear! I went to a screening of Better Luck Tomorrow a couple decades ago, a movie featuring almost entirely Asian American cast, and the director said in a talkback that movie bean counters categorize Asian patrons as white, which was one of many reasons he thought there hadn't been anything since Joy Luck Club. Basically there were no numbers for Asian patrons of any kind. They're just lost among white data. Unless society radically reconfigured itself since then AND book market analysis is that different from film ones...
Actually, “Yellowface” is about an Asian writer pretending to be white in order to get a book deal - which is a ludicrous premise. You dont see a lot of people of color pretending to be white to get into colleges or land book deals - but you do see the converse phenomenon quite a bit, which essentially undermines the idea of “white privilege”.
Wait I'm crying, I went to school with a guy whose mom's name is Elizabeth Anya and I just realized why she never wanted to be called "Liz". 😂 Thank you for reminding me about her that was hilarious to put together.
I know it's a joke but actually for an Italian person Liz Anya and Lasagne would sound completely different because in Italian each vowel is always pronounced in the same way in every context (bar loanwords), no matter whether the syllable is stressed or not. So the word "lasagne" would have a fully realized Ah sound in the first syllable and Eh sound in the last syllable. While Liz Anya would have an EE and Ah sounds, respectively.
I feel like Vietnamese restaurant owners have a competition going on on who has the best pun in their name. Never seen a Viet restaurant without a pho pun. That said, my sample size is fairly small IRL so maybe it's just a coincide
This level of grift is like that trad wife on tik tok who lost her job after saying the n-word, and then tried to cozy up to fascists only to complain how they needed to be more inclusive, and then got found out for having a half black kid from her posts of her kid. Like I know it’s easy to grift right wingers, but you have to put some effort into it. Girl was a single mom with a job, she ain’t even a trad wife.
Kim Chi is an international drag queen superstar, and is actually Korean. Apart from her work in drag, she's writing two books right now - a cookbook, and a children's book about a queer Asian American boy dealing with his identity and trying to save his local library. They're not currently published, but she also has a makeup line and social media channels etc. Just wanted to shout out a real Korean author named Kim Chi who is actually doing incredible work to promote diversity and inclusion for Asian-Americans and queer people!
Does the children's book have a title yet? I'm trying to find it, but most articles about her don't mention the books and my searches bring up books about kimchi (also by Korean American authors, they look great.)
Man the funniest thing is how quick she folded. All that effort for nothing! I was half expecting her to say she was wasian and only half italian or something 😭😭
so true. especially since she was talking about an italian/vietnamese fusion restaurant as far back as 2020 ( 11:26 ), i thought she'd really claim she was mixed and maybe say back in the day she was really only open about her italian heritage. it wouldnt be too off the mark from how some mixed kids might denounce part of their heritage, or might not be as in-touch with one part of themselves.
I was expecting her to say she is mixed based on her restaurant name idea. I'm Polish and my husband is French Caribbean and we live in Scotland. Some time ago I had to fill out a census so I asked my boys (they were around 8 and 11 at the time) which nationality they feel like they belonged and one chose Scottish and one British (or English), so that was funny as both have only French passports. They were born and raised in Scotland. So with my family dynamics, I really gave this person the benefit of the doubt. Also, she would always have to avoid any in-person interaction like book signings, zoom calls...
Spicy whites who still colonized right up there with the worst of em! It's like saying the Portuguese or Spanish are spicy.... Idk how to feel about that lol
I wrote that one down to comment - makes anything she says about 'oh, I didn't know,' utterly pathetic. You can't choose your POC status. You either are or aren't. Acting like it's a surprise that people are upset/hurt by the active deceptions you perpetrated and then 'removing herself' to 'let the healing begin' (even though she was kicked out of forums, etc., for the deceit).
It wouldn’t be as bad if she had claimed she was Vietnamese (the name not her trying to do yellowface). But sis straight up claimed herself to be Korean with the name Kim Chi
As a Black writer, I'm gonna write a book about the white experience of being oppressed in this woke world that's destroying my white culture. My pseudonym: *Colin Izer* _EDIT: Based on the interest conveyed in the replies I'm actually working on the initial plan for this book😅 So, if it becomes a thing, and it blows up big, it'd be all of your supportive comments and likes that made it happen. Thanx, y'all 🫂_ Wish me luck!
as a Korean American, Id like to point out that Wu CAN be a Korean last name due to misspelling during the immigration process. its not technically correct, but it does exist
'Pop out the pixel like, surprise surprise! It's Cho Ch*nk' I CANT💀😭 The 'Asian' music playing, too 😂 Seriously, my day is slightly better after this video lmaoo
As a white person I don't get how someone could see people making lists of books about poc experiences and agents saying they want to represent more poc authors and then come to the conclusion "people only want stories about poc now" instead of "people are trying to give poc authors opportunities in a field they're often overlooked in". And if anyone should know about how the publishing industry is biased towards whatever they assume the most people would buy (even if they think it wouldn't be that _good_ ), which inherently makes minority-centric stories less likely to be picked up, it should be _someone trying to get a book deal for over a decade_
I think this is down to how simplistic a lot of social media posts are, they don’t provide a lot of context as to why there is a push for own voices, they just make lists about “recommended diverse books” and I think what Cindy is saying is right, that if you’re in this bubble it can get easy to lose sight of actual facts lol like book sales
Some really see even a little leveling of the playing field as the other races getting an advantage not a balance of the scales. It's the reason why affirmative action is seen so negatively by certain people.
@@anahnnemus5187 At this point it's happening to any privileged group. See the manosphere. Oh no, men are no longer as privileged as they were? They must be oppressed now!
Because some people really see everything as a zero-sum game, meaning that "wHiTe AuThOrS aRe BeInG rEpLaCeD bY tHe WoKe MoB" I guess (obvious sarcasm is sarcasm)
8:00 I am so happy that you brought this up. I live in Turkey and my household is very different from a traditional Turkish household. I can bring my boyfriend over, I can come home late or go on a vacation with my male friends. And I am surrounded by families like mine here. Even though my mom is a muslim. People who are not from around here have a very rigid idea of what a muslim or Turkish household is supposed to look like. Even in my own country, people from the east have difficulty grasping people from the west don't live like them
When you don't have the talent/skills/luck to make it in your field of choice, it's always so much easier to blame diversity drives/the system, etc, rather than do the work to improve yourself/your project. It's deeply depressing how little this pattern of behaviour seems to have changed in my 40+ years on the planet. I guess at least people get called on it more publicly now, but so far that doesn't seem like it's that much of a disincentive. Zoomers save us from the mediocre white people! -a cripplingly self-aware mediocre white woman
You CLOCKED them so well at the end omg😭they think they have an advantage using other peoples experiences but then aren’t ready to experience the same shit
that ending rant about all the disadvantages really said things i could never put eloquently into words 👏👏 no matter what it is it's always "ah you're good at this cause you're asian" and it feels backwards to be judged for the color of your skin and not the amount of effort you put into it, no matter what.
you know what, rf kuang? i'm sorry that i called yellowface pretentious and mid. please stop orchestrating these incidents, you've proved your point edit: her name was KIM CHI???? dear lord
Your rant at the end speaks to meee. The expectation to write about trauma first and foremost no matter the genre, the potential to be dragged harder over smaller issues than white writers, finding out whether you passed the "good representation" test, this vibe that your work is meant to be representing everyone of your race as if you're a monolith like you brought up so many great and disheartening points. And I've been looking for videos of writers talking about their querying journeys and came across one who literally was like 'I think it's hard rn for white writers because a lot of agents are looking for POC' and I felt my eye twitch.
The expectation of writing about trauma is a thing that really bums me out. I have distinct memories of being a kid in the 90s and realizing that all the books I read about Jewish people were also about the Holocaust (at least until I discovered the All-of-a-Kind Family books, which were genuinely a relief to read).
I mean I know Taehyung said he was gonna name his child Chi so they’d be called Kim Chi for shits and giggles in that one RUN BTS episode , I just didn’t think someone would take that and run with it😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I'm happy there was criticism on the comment of the family not sounding Vietnamese. As a black American who was raised in a predominantly white area (with the secondary majority being various Asians), I'm far removed from my black culture. The only black people I regularly interacted with throughout most of my life were my mom and brother. I've been told I type white and once had a black man giving my a haircut say my name sounded white. Which was intentional on my mom's part, since she thought it would help be get in college. I sometimes joke about how "white" I am. I'd be great criticism in a story towards an author not writing a proper black character. I also saw this criticism used against The Scholomance series, where some said Galadriel didn't act Indian enough and leaned too far into her Welsh heritage. Which was a theme of her overall story and pointed out in the first book. I was happy to see people combat that criticism for the same reasons I said above. So while the person who wrote the reveal was correct, that specific "gotcha" was pretty poor.
Yeah. The way a family or an individual reflects their “cultural origin” or whatever can be very very different than the “standard” which really just means you’re relying on stereotypes because your family hit those too. Like yeah it turned out she was entirely faking an Asian identity but you could talk to her and ask and inquire about the character’s family history to understand the writing decisions behind the family acting how they did instead of just judging “huh feels like white writing.” Like, the entirety of my dad’s side is from the Middle East, if I wrote about the way I was raised I’m sure it would fit much more into the generic American stereotype than any middle eastern American stereotypes of “the family and how things are like when you grow up”
fellow victim of the "talking white allegations", being told you "type white" is fucking wild. it's not like speaking tone and inflection (makes it pretty easy to tell when another black person is speaking, even when they don't use aave) translates through text, so the implication is just that using full sentences and punctuation is a white trait. like ???
@@firelordoregano5632And it’s also a hilarious assumption. I’ve been told I type and I act white, as a Black physician. My parents also gave me a European name to help me get into college. So you can imagine the shock and concern on peoples faces when I show up sounding like Megan Thee Stallion or Cardi B. idc if I have an MD, you can’t take the ghetto outta me, so the assumptions are wild 😂😂😂 I’ve shown up to job interviews and physically seen people clutch their pearls
I consider myself mixed. My dad is black and my mom is white. The only black thing about me is my hair. 😭 It’s something I’m mildly self-conscious about.
I also appreciated Cindy's comments on this. I am East Asian but was adopted by white parents. I cannot relate to many of the stereotypical "asian american" experiences. I often get comments that I sound white and had many people tell me they assumed I was mixed race (half white) and had white people say they are more "asian" than me because of how strict their parents were.
I think one thing that people have real trouble with is marketing their personalities? You kinda need to market yourself to make it online, but it's really hard to have the cold blood and the self awareness necessary to understand what about yourself is 'marketable'. They then try to turn to faking a race because they see race as a gimmick you can use for that, to make yourself interesting. Then they hope to get their work out there once they get finally noticed You need to be able to understand yourself as a brand and that's super hard, but not as much if you're actually role playing and someone else
Honestly, it's starting to feel like we, pocs, are overly privileged. Where are all those advantages and opportunities that white people see Pocs are getting over them? I would like some of those too.
As a black person who is always at the forefront of racism i would like to congradulate asians for recieving your 'the white ppl hate us cuz they aint us award' This has been passed down from colour to colour and now its ur turn
Yeah, holy shit. They were friends too. I feel like that's worse than just grabbing a random person's pic off of google. How do you face someone and talk to them normally when, behind their back, you're using your selfie togehter to catfish as them?
The fury with which I am googling this so I may share a news article with my writing group cannot be overstated! However, I am being presented with recipes for kimchi and SEO articles about the best kimchi brands. Now I am overcome with the desire to try making kimchi. Thank you, Cindy, for my latest hyperfixation!
Loved the point you made about "Asian-ness" being a term that means something different to everyone. I'm mixed and born in Canada where my family lost much of their language through WW2 internment and its downstream effects. I've always experienced my Asian-ness as precarious and subject to challenge in a way. Even though her instincts were right this time and this writer was pretending, I'm so glad you made the point that everyone experiences ethnic/cultural/racial identity differently.
Seconding this, I'm mixed and even though I'm closer to my dad's side, my family is very non-traditional and I didn't have a lot of the same experiences as other people from my background did growing up.
I feel it narrows down our cultures and families to white washed stereotypes to talk about what “ Asianness” and Blackness” cause most of the time it’s just boiled down to “aggressive” mothers or things like that
this sounds like someone who found out they're 0.3% italian 0.025% viet and decided to embrace the cultural identity of each depending on the situation
I don't even think she was Italian! Notice how she came from Las Vegas and didn't answer that other person's question which was "What part of Italy do you come from?" She's probably a WASP who started pretending she was Italian because she thought it was spicier, and then stepped up into pretending to be a woman of colour.
For a second I thought you were talking about Kim Chi from RuPaul’s Drag Race and I was like well as far as I know Kim Chi is VERY Asian… Then the realization hit me 😭😭
That conclusion was on fire and is literally my experience in the academy… just replace “writing” with “research”. The competition, shoehorning into only studying “your people”, and rarity of academic jobs is pretty much identical, along with the misunderstanding of what being a minoritized group means. Intersectionality doesn’t mean that one gets a double pass on anything, on the contrary. In the US it just means that your life can be twice as hard. Also, reading Kuang’s Yellowface right now (saw your review a long time ago)… the timing is painfully impeccable.
I heard the name “Toby” and IMMEDIATELY got reminded of the guy who tried to impersonate the author of my immortal, now that is a nightmare of a rabbit hole.
now i'm just imagining a book where the protagonist claims to be a racial minority that the author isn't apart of and they behave like a complete stereotype, but halfway through the first chapter you realize, "oh the POV character is just a compulsive liar who constantly makes stuff up"
I’m into it! Reminds me of one of my favorite video games, Kuon-halfway through you realize that one of the protagonists is either lying about what’s going on or flat out not experiencing the same stuff. It rules.
If i had a nickel for everytime I've seen a writer pretend to be another race this year, I'd have 3 nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it is happening at all 😭
Yeah, I don't know how I feel about the person who wrote that saying she "read" as a white woman. My best friend is black, grew up in an all black neighborhood in New York, has a grandmother from the deep south, and checks off plenty of nifty little stereotypes that are internalized by people of all races including black, and she is regularly assumed to be white online due to those commonly internalized stereotypes. I myself struggle with my own racial identity due to a lot of weird assumptions and beliefs held by many Americans (especially white but not always), including those with good intentions. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what the person meant, but it rubbed me the wrong way. There is no one way to be a certain race. We have to be careful that in calling out bad behavior, we aren't over-correcting and creating more division and gatekeeping. The fact that she was right, too, makes me think people are going to double down even more, while completely missing the overall point. Also, my apologies if this has already been addressed elsewhere, or if I'm just seriously misunderstanding what she was trying to say. She seems to bring it up multiple times both in how the character was written and how the woman herself behaved, so I'm just wondering if maybe I'm taking it the wrong way.
True, once on reddit someone was convinced I wasn't black because I used yellow emojis instead of the black flesh toned ones😂. People will assume race over the weirdest of things and it's a part of discrimination and internalized racism. Saying people "talk white", "dress white", "act white" is just stripping people of their identity --- but it's worse on the internet because you can't just point to your features and disprove allegations that you're "wrong" or don't belong. Super annoying and frustrating.
I’m from south east asia, born and brought up, I don’t even hide it on twitter and my name isn’t white you wouldn’t BELIEVE the number of times I’ve been called a “woke white girl who doesn’t understand” etc on twitter or YT
I'm totally an Indian named Samosa Korma, pls send literary agents my way, thx. Like, come on! 😭Thanks Cindy, although it's sad that at this rate we'll have a bingo before the year is out.
Considering there was a French-Canadian director who got outed in 2020 about not being a mixed indigenous woman (as she claimed) and got one of the best Canadian tv shows (Trickster) cancelled because it was about indigenous people and she was the showrunner... Seems the avatar who has impersonated all the races must be on the horizon... Just kidding it's Ariana Grande
fr tho I am so mad they didn't do the normal thing and just. Like. Hire another fucking showrunner who _is_ Indigenous??!?! There's showrunner turnover in North American shows all the fucking time and a ton of talented Canadian Indigenous showrunners looking for work, hello CBC?!??!?!
Hello! I'm the OP of the document and twitter thread! (and also a long-time watcher of your channel!)
I just wanted to quickly address a few things:
1) The document is no longer available publicly because the person whose face Kim used in the profile pics requested to have it taken down. I'm happy to see you also saw my tweet about it and censored her in the video! Thank you! (To anyone wondering, no I'm not putting the doc back up. I'm also just too lazy to censor her throughout the doc and honestly the post accomplished what I wanted it to, which was to warn others in the writing community.)
2) About "Jina Wu" and what an Asian household looks like. This has been brought up to me before and I agree that I definitely could have worded it better and apologize for how it might have sounded.Asian Diaspora is too diverse to quantify. I truly wish I had saved the doc... because it's hard to explain WHY I clocked it as inauthentic without being able to show it.
3) When the ~asian music~ played during the slideshow of tweets started playing I fucking bark-laughed.
4) Yes to EVERYTHING you said there at the end.
Anyway thank you for being hilarious as always and for covering this!!!!!!
Thank u for putting this together and trusting ur instincts!!
U ATE SO MUCH
Your instincts definitely paid off. Even here in asian countries, the mixing of different races. Fil-Chi, Thai-Jap, Viet-White and we have absorption of other cultures to the point that names can be anything.
Filipino names are the best. Genesis, Cherry Pie, Princess, I once had a child at the end of an 18 hour hospital shift whose name was Alucard and his mom told me his dad liked video games.
@@itsgonnabeanaurfromme@itsgonnabeanaurfromme oh gosh my friend who lives in Korea has a lot of Filipino friends and she said they have similar energy to us Brazilians and this comment just confirmed. Brazilians are very creative when it's time to naming their kids.
@@itsgonnabeanaurfromme I knew a girl named Christmas Lyte. I mean...go them!
At this point RF Kuang needs to add a disclaimer in Yellowface that its not a DIY tutorial
The melanin deficient really out here putting the DUMMIES in "guides for dummies"
It keeps happening it's insane
I'm not in the publishing community so I read that book before I knew this was a thing that was happening. How could any white writer think being Asian was going to help them get a deal? I can just walk through a bookstore and observe the overwhelming whiteness of the titles available. Turn on TV. Go to the movies. It's so clear!
I went to a screening of Better Luck Tomorrow a couple decades ago, a movie featuring almost entirely Asian American cast, and the director said in a talkback that movie bean counters categorize Asian patrons as white, which was one of many reasons he thought there hadn't been anything since Joy Luck Club. Basically there were no numbers for Asian patrons of any kind. They're just lost among white data.
Unless society radically reconfigured itself since then AND book market analysis is that different from film ones...
Actually, “Yellowface” is about an Asian writer pretending to be white in order to get a book deal - which is a ludicrous premise. You dont see a lot of people of color pretending to be white to get into colleges or land book deals - but you do see the converse phenomenon quite a bit, which essentially undermines the idea of “white privilege”.
Stoop 💀
Gonna pretend to be white to get a book deal, gonna name myself Sal Tee
Cra Kur
@@withcindy 😭😭
@@withcindy actual spit take LOL omg
not enough extraneous letters i fear… better off with something like salle teigh
Gang... Sal Tiberius Kraker.
Smh she chose Kim Chi when she’s ITALIAN and clearly should have chosen Liz Anya.
STOP!
😭😭😭
Wait I'm crying, I went to school with a guy whose mom's name is Elizabeth Anya and I just realized why she never wanted to be called "Liz". 😂 Thank you for reminding me about her that was hilarious to put together.
Liz Anya reminds me of the "Do you carry a lunchbox?!" scene in That's So Raven
NOOOO 🥹
I know it's a joke but actually for an Italian person Liz Anya and Lasagne would sound completely different because in Italian each vowel is always pronounced in the same way in every context (bar loanwords), no matter whether the syllable is stressed or not. So the word "lasagne" would have a fully realized Ah sound in the first syllable and Eh sound in the last syllable. While Liz Anya would have an EE and Ah sounds, respectively.
“Pho’get About It” is a hysterical name for an Italian/Vietnamese fusion restaurant. Sounds delicious too. She went into the wrong business
i've definitely heard this joke before and am almost certain she didn't come up with it herself. but maybe i'm wrong idk
The Wong business 😂
I feel like Vietnamese restaurant owners have a competition going on on who has the best pun in their name. Never seen a Viet restaurant without a pho pun. That said, my sample size is fairly small IRL so maybe it's just a coincide
@@BlueGangsta1958 I don't look at the pho section too often but I'm fairly sure I always see at least one pun on the menu about pho
@@BlueGangsta1958ive seen iPho and it was hysterical. Whats the best one that youve seen? 🤣
the fact that she just used her own twitter account baffles me? she didn't even delete her previous tweets about being of italian heritage?
Clearly she's not very smart
This level of grift is like that trad wife on tik tok who lost her job after saying the n-word, and then tried to cozy up to fascists only to complain how they needed to be more inclusive, and then got found out for having a half black kid from her posts of her kid. Like I know it’s easy to grift right wingers, but you have to put some effort into it. Girl was a single mom with a job, she ain’t even a trad wife.
Kim Chi season 8 drag race finalist should sue for impersonation
Appropriating drag culture !!
How wrong is it that this was the exact first thing I thought of 😆
@@kseni_velyyep came here and kim chi the drag queen is who i thought of
That’s why I clicked on this. I thought ’Kim Chi wrote a book?’. I mean she didn’t even mention it on Trixie’s Pit Stop.
@@theatrefans1legit what I was thinking too
Kim Chi is an international drag queen superstar, and is actually Korean. Apart from her work in drag, she's writing two books right now - a cookbook, and a children's book about a queer Asian American boy dealing with his identity and trying to save his local library. They're not currently published, but she also has a makeup line and social media channels etc. Just wanted to shout out a real Korean author named Kim Chi who is actually doing incredible work to promote diversity and inclusion for Asian-Americans and queer people!
Ugh
@@Walklikeaduck111 Ugh your way outta here
@@Walklikeaduck111 keep quacking, duck boy, I'm sure you'll hear your own echo eventually
@@zoerice4227 LMAO 💀💀
Does the children's book have a title yet? I'm trying to find it, but most articles about her don't mention the books and my searches bring up books about kimchi (also by Korean American authors, they look great.)
Gonna pretend to be Italian, my pen name will be Pete Zeria
Mamma Mia
Gonna pretend to be american and name myself Eagle Gun
@@Lemoncakelover678😂😂😂😂
gonna pretend to be French and name myself Bay Guette
Let’s tone it down a little. Italians have unfortunately been the victims of racism and have historically been viewed as an inferior race by racists.
she used Kim Chi as her fake Asian name??? thats like if I called myself McDonald as my fake American name, what a mastermind.
Actually Mack donalds is pretty good name
Earl Bigmac
McDonald is a Scottish name actually
@@lincolny2220 yes but it's a stereotypical American food
Ronald McDonald
Man the funniest thing is how quick she folded. All that effort for nothing! I was half expecting her to say she was wasian and only half italian or something 😭😭
so true. especially since she was talking about an italian/vietnamese fusion restaurant as far back as 2020 ( 11:26 ), i thought she'd really claim she was mixed and maybe say back in the day she was really only open about her italian heritage.
it wouldnt be too off the mark from how some mixed kids might denounce part of their heritage, or might not be as in-touch with one part of themselves.
Yeah, if she was smart, she would have said she was wasian
I was expecting her to say she is mixed based on her restaurant name idea. I'm Polish and my husband is French Caribbean and we live in Scotland. Some time ago I had to fill out a census so I asked my boys (they were around 8 and 11 at the time) which nationality they feel like they belonged and one chose Scottish and one British (or English), so that was funny as both have only French passports. They were born and raised in Scotland. So with my family dynamics, I really gave this person the benefit of the doubt. Also, she would always have to avoid any in-person interaction like book signings, zoom calls...
Kim Chi once said: “…But, one white queen's misfortune is my booking, so thank you, Katya!” and someone took that a step too far.
This is a sign to rewatch the Griselda ILTW
LMAO, excellent time to deploy that quote
"girl you're italian? that's one of the spicy whites" I AM IN TEARS
Like gurl just get a tan like the other Italianx do
Spicy whites who still colonized right up there with the worst of em! It's like saying the Portuguese or Spanish are spicy.... Idk how to feel about that lol
@@withcindyITALIANX IM SCREAMING
The way I’ve seen people actually try to claim Italians as poc in the year of our lord 2024 😭
@@blueyeshadow2738If they’re American, let them know that the FAFSA now asks what flavor of white you are. Italian’s included.
my first thought was "THE DRAG QUEEN????" 😭
Right??? 💀 Girl that name is TAKEN.
LOL same!!
Same 🫂
Yep same
Same 💀💀 I was so confused because she talks about immigrating on her season.
I'm so inspired by her authentic asianness, I think I need to embrace my indian roots more and rename myself 'Kur Ri' 😍😍😍
OMG, choked on my coffee!! 🤣
Sam Osa
Oh really? Brb gonna quickly age to 18 just to change my name to Sal Oandborscht to embrace my Ukrainian heritage!! 😅
im gonna call myself Coxinha da silva, to embrace the fact that im brazilian
Feijo Ada but you can call me Ada 😂
“I let my profile pic determine my POC status” …
my jaw dropped pls
She was so blatant with the plausible deniality
I wrote that one down to comment - makes anything she says about 'oh, I didn't know,' utterly pathetic. You can't choose your POC status. You either are or aren't. Acting like it's a surprise that people are upset/hurt by the active deceptions you perpetrated and then 'removing herself' to 'let the healing begin' (even though she was kicked out of forums, etc., for the deceit).
“this is not diverse representation, this is diverse desperation” I’M DYINGGG
FR I SCREAMED
Sis had an entire library of names from asian countries, and just chose the name of a food. 💀💀💀
Real "name a woman" energy
I'm sure it was for plausible deniability. "Oh I'm not pretending to be Asian, I'm just expressing my love of this side dish!"
It wouldn’t be as bad if she had claimed she was Vietnamese (the name not her trying to do yellowface). But sis straight up claimed herself to be Korean with the name Kim Chi
this reminds me there is canonically a Star Wars character named Shu Mai
Bro I’m bout to act white to get into college I’ll let y’all know how it works
As a Black writer, I'm gonna write a book about the white experience of being oppressed in this woke world that's destroying my white culture. My pseudonym: *Colin Izer*
_EDIT: Based on the interest conveyed in the replies I'm actually working on the initial plan for this book😅 So, if it becomes a thing, and it blows up big, it'd be all of your supportive comments and likes that made it happen. Thanx, y'all 🫂_
Wish me luck!
Nah this one got me 💀 up there with Ray Cyst
This is pretty good.
Can't wait to read your masterpiece
I will purchase that book lmao
COLIN ISER! 😂 THAT'S BRILLIANT!
as a Korean American, Id like to point out that Wu CAN be a Korean last name due to misspelling during the immigration process. its not technically correct, but it does exist
THE ZOOM INTO THAT ONE TINY PIXEL OF YOU TOOK ME OUTTTT
"KIM CHI"??? naming a character ham burger right now
Naming a French character French Fry
@@withcindy or Crêpes Suzette.
Hamish Berger. Scottish/German #ownvoices
Arrocito Asado: My Peruvian-Uruguayan oc
Frye Bred. They’re indigenous
jk rowling ahh asian name😭🙏🙏
FOR REAL HAHA
I THOUGHT THE SAME THING SIGDLWHZIDJD
Reminder that Joanne Rowling doesn't have a middle name. She just added a K. because she thought J. Rowling would be too boring.
@@MasoTrumoi there's a lot to criticize her for, but what's wrong with giving yourself a middle name?
@@MasoTrumoiActually she does. Her full name is Joanne Koanne Rowling.
"Cho Chang, okay sorry someone already took that" made me cackle.
Read a book once where an Asian character was named Anna May. I think about that often.
i was like what was wrong with it and then it hit me so hard i got whiplash
to be fair, this could be a reference to anna may wong who was one of the first asian american (chinese american) hollywood film stars in the 1920s!
Wait till you learn about Hen Tye
'Pop out the pixel like, surprise surprise! It's Cho Ch*nk'
I CANT💀😭 The 'Asian' music playing, too 😂 Seriously, my day is slightly better after this video lmaoo
That joke was wild
NOT KIM CHI 💀😩 That is foul
Some stuff u can't make up
That shit feels like a joke from an adult 2010's comedy show, not something an actual person would try 💀
KIM. CHI. 😬😬😬😬😬
Mf cant even use a normal name like diana le
LITERALLY LIK WHAT
As a white person I don't get how someone could see people making lists of books about poc experiences and agents saying they want to represent more poc authors and then come to the conclusion "people only want stories about poc now" instead of "people are trying to give poc authors opportunities in a field they're often overlooked in". And if anyone should know about how the publishing industry is biased towards whatever they assume the most people would buy (even if they think it wouldn't be that _good_ ), which inherently makes minority-centric stories less likely to be picked up, it should be _someone trying to get a book deal for over a decade_
I think this is down to how simplistic a lot of social media posts are, they don’t provide a lot of context as to why there is a push for own voices, they just make lists about “recommended diverse books” and I think what Cindy is saying is right, that if you’re in this bubble it can get easy to lose sight of actual facts lol like book sales
Some really see even a little leveling of the playing field as the other races getting an advantage not a balance of the scales. It's the reason why affirmative action is seen so negatively by certain people.
Well that's because you're not insane
@@anahnnemus5187 At this point it's happening to any privileged group. See the manosphere. Oh no, men are no longer as privileged as they were? They must be oppressed now!
Because some people really see everything as a zero-sum game, meaning that "wHiTe AuThOrS aRe BeInG rEpLaCeD bY tHe WoKe MoB" I guess (obvious sarcasm is sarcasm)
someone go write a book pretending to be an American named Big Mac
The 4 races:
Black
Brown
Asian
American
@@giantpinkcat all used to live in peace, until the British attacked
On it.
@@BiggamusMackenzie Lmfgao
Don't tell me he's a boxer!
14:17 the music used in those american movies where you KNOW they just googled "generic asian music" took me OUT 🥴😭
It was called "lotus" on iMovie
"finally, its my turn to get hatecrimed" made me spittake
I like how so many people are comparing the “Kim Chi” pseudonym to the character of Cho Chang in Harry Potter.
Jkr inspo
At this point, I blame RF Kuang for giving them an instruction manual AND a list of justifications
I'm gonna pretend to be Japanese and say my name is Sakura Matcha, it'll totally work
Cebulski is that you?
@@thelittleredhairedgirlfrom6527 idk who that is, did someone literally do that??
8:00 I am so happy that you brought this up. I live in Turkey and my household is very different from a traditional Turkish household. I can bring my boyfriend over, I can come home late or go on a vacation with my male friends. And I am surrounded by families like mine here. Even though my mom is a muslim. People who are not from around here have a very rigid idea of what a muslim or Turkish household is supposed to look like. Even in my own country, people from the east have difficulty grasping people from the west don't live like them
that's haram tho??
@@mariamebrahim7787 don't care, I'm not a believer
'Black Like Me' taught people exactly zero lessons.
Kim probably saw a ScarJo movie & thought, "I look Asian enough".
Pretending to be a poc in order to gain an advantage is truly WILD. Some people have zero grasp of reality.
When you don't have the talent/skills/luck to make it in your field of choice, it's always so much easier to blame diversity drives/the system, etc, rather than do the work to improve yourself/your project.
It's deeply depressing how little this pattern of behaviour seems to have changed in my 40+ years on the planet. I guess at least people get called on it more publicly now, but so far that doesn't seem like it's that much of a disincentive.
Zoomers save us from the mediocre white people!
-a cripplingly self-aware mediocre white woman
People are like cats, when they have the privilege to go anywhere, a door is a grand offense.
She really said "Give me an ethnic drag name, any drag name." So lazy.
And picked one that was already taken by a total legend! Who's actually Korean!
You CLOCKED them so well at the end omg😭they think they have an advantage using other peoples experiences but then aren’t ready to experience the same shit
that ending rant about all the disadvantages really said things i could never put eloquently into words 👏👏
no matter what it is it's always "ah you're good at this cause you're asian" and it feels backwards to be judged for the color of your skin and not the amount of effort you put into it, no matter what.
Not the asian music during the tweet montage 😭😭😭
Thank u for noticing
It took me out lmao
Ah yes. The fruit ninja music.
you know what, rf kuang? i'm sorry that i called yellowface pretentious and mid. please stop orchestrating these incidents, you've proved your point
edit: her name was KIM CHI???? dear lord
Your rant at the end speaks to meee. The expectation to write about trauma first and foremost no matter the genre, the potential to be dragged harder over smaller issues than white writers, finding out whether you passed the "good representation" test, this vibe that your work is meant to be representing everyone of your race as if you're a monolith like you brought up so many great and disheartening points. And I've been looking for videos of writers talking about their querying journeys and came across one who literally was like 'I think it's hard rn for white writers because a lot of agents are looking for POC' and I felt my eye twitch.
Yup!! Ur expected to represent a whole race rather than ... Just writing a story u care about
The expectation of writing about trauma is a thing that really bums me out. I have distinct memories of being a kid in the 90s and realizing that all the books I read about Jewish people were also about the Holocaust (at least until I discovered the All-of-a-Kind Family books, which were genuinely a relief to read).
“The slippery slope of the slant-eyed sleuth” had me choking oh my god 😂
I mean I know Taehyung said he was gonna name his child Chi so they’d be called Kim Chi for shits and giggles in that one RUN BTS episode , I just didn’t think someone would take that and run with it😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I'm surprised her Italian name isn't Pepper Roni.
Lego island reference?
@@PRGME7now I have to rewatch Joel/Vargskelethor’s Lego Island playthru, thanks for the reminder
@@nooneofnote8453 np
@@PRGME7my best
Thanks I got the pepper Ann theam song in my head 😂. I needed that.
I'm happy there was criticism on the comment of the family not sounding Vietnamese. As a black American who was raised in a predominantly white area (with the secondary majority being various Asians), I'm far removed from my black culture. The only black people I regularly interacted with throughout most of my life were my mom and brother. I've been told I type white and once had a black man giving my a haircut say my name sounded white. Which was intentional on my mom's part, since she thought it would help be get in college. I sometimes joke about how "white" I am. I'd be great criticism in a story towards an author not writing a proper black character.
I also saw this criticism used against The Scholomance series, where some said Galadriel didn't act Indian enough and leaned too far into her Welsh heritage. Which was a theme of her overall story and pointed out in the first book. I was happy to see people combat that criticism for the same reasons I said above.
So while the person who wrote the reveal was correct, that specific "gotcha" was pretty poor.
Yeah. The way a family or an individual reflects their “cultural origin” or whatever can be very very different than the “standard” which really just means you’re relying on stereotypes because your family hit those too. Like yeah it turned out she was entirely faking an Asian identity but you could talk to her and ask and inquire about the character’s family history to understand the writing decisions behind the family acting how they did instead of just judging “huh feels like white writing.”
Like, the entirety of my dad’s side is from the Middle East, if I wrote about the way I was raised I’m sure it would fit much more into the generic American stereotype than any middle eastern American stereotypes of “the family and how things are like when you grow up”
fellow victim of the "talking white allegations", being told you "type white" is fucking wild. it's not like speaking tone and inflection (makes it pretty easy to tell when another black person is speaking, even when they don't use aave) translates through text, so the implication is just that using full sentences and punctuation is a white trait. like ???
@@firelordoregano5632And it’s also a hilarious assumption. I’ve been told I type and I act white, as a Black physician. My parents also gave me a European name to help me get into college. So you can imagine the shock and concern on peoples faces when I show up sounding like Megan Thee Stallion or Cardi B. idc if I have an MD, you can’t take the ghetto outta me, so the assumptions are wild 😂😂😂 I’ve shown up to job interviews and physically seen people clutch their pearls
I consider myself mixed. My dad is black and my mom is white. The only black thing about me is my hair. 😭 It’s something I’m mildly self-conscious about.
I also appreciated Cindy's comments on this. I am East Asian but was adopted by white parents. I cannot relate to many of the stereotypical "asian american" experiences. I often get comments that I sound white and had many people tell me they assumed I was mixed race (half white) and had white people say they are more "asian" than me because of how strict their parents were.
So we can all agree that R. F. Kuang looked into the future and wrote a documentary rather than comedic thriller, right?
I think one thing that people have real trouble with is marketing their personalities?
You kinda need to market yourself to make it online, but it's really hard to have the cold blood and the self awareness necessary to understand what about yourself is 'marketable'. They then try to turn to faking a race because they see race as a gimmick you can use for that, to make yourself interesting. Then they hope to get their work out there once they get finally noticed
You need to be able to understand yourself as a brand and that's super hard, but not as much if you're actually role playing and someone else
THIS!!
Ding ding ding i think you’re right on point.
I feel very bad for her friend whose photos were being used to catfish ):
This is the third time already 😭 By the end of the year we're gonna have too many nickels
Imma be rich!!
THAT'S ENOUGH NICKELS 🤣
3 nickels is too many already
Honestly, it's starting to feel like we, pocs, are overly privileged. Where are all those advantages and opportunities that white people see Pocs are getting over them? I would like some of those too.
4 if you count cate giving asian names to her goodread accounts that she used to give negative reviews
As a black person who is always at the forefront of racism i would like to congradulate asians for recieving your 'the white ppl hate us cuz they aint us award'
This has been passed down from colour to colour and now its ur turn
Mom says it's my turn to be appropriated!
As an Egyptian when is it my turn?
@@hanakesseibi.5b.273 Egyptian isn't a race, unless you mean Arab or North African lol.
@@hanakesseibi.5b.273 pretty sure, it was few decades ago
@@sillybillybee race doesn't exist anyways so it is weird to get hung up on what a race/ethnicity or nationality is.
Does anyone else feel fucking awful for the girl whose photo she used as her pfp? I mean DAMN that's shitty.
identity theft!!!
Yeah, holy shit. They were friends too. I feel like that's worse than just grabbing a random person's pic off of google. How do you face someone and talk to them normally when, behind their back, you're using your selfie togehter to catfish as them?
how do people even think of this and decide it’s reasonable
Fully recommend naming a white Australian charcter Democracy Sausage.
Or Fairy Bread
@@NiarahHawthorne Fairy Bread would be a kickass drag name.
@@sugarbaby1974 Agreed.
Only if it's dystopian (America Singer anyone?). 😂
Ethnically Asian but grew up in Australia, his name is Tim Tam
The fury with which I am googling this so I may share a news article with my writing group cannot be overstated!
However, I am being presented with recipes for kimchi and SEO articles about the best kimchi brands. Now I am overcome with the desire to try making kimchi. Thank you, Cindy, for my latest hyperfixation!
Finally, after all these years, we have them all
Like pokemon we gotta catch em all
It hasn't even been *one* year
You mean after 6 months. All these cases happened this year!
😭
kim chi 😭😭😭 this is hilarious and atroucious at the same time
(jk rowling taking notes rn for the name)
U just have to laugh
Fr like at least pick a good name 😭😭
@@strangeaelurus nah, she really had the need to be rac1st to the core
@@moonlight.corpse audacity of white ppl* it's only white ppl doing this 😭
RIGHT??? They're not even trying anymore😭😭
Loved the point you made about "Asian-ness" being a term that means something different to everyone. I'm mixed and born in Canada where my family lost much of their language through WW2 internment and its downstream effects. I've always experienced my Asian-ness as precarious and subject to challenge in a way. Even though her instincts were right this time and this writer was pretending, I'm so glad you made the point that everyone experiences ethnic/cultural/racial identity differently.
Yes!! This was such a good point i really appreciated this as well
Seconding this, I'm mixed and even though I'm closer to my dad's side, my family is very non-traditional and I didn't have a lot of the same experiences as other people from my background did growing up.
I feel it narrows down our cultures and families to white washed stereotypes to talk about what “ Asianness” and Blackness” cause most of the time it’s just boiled down to “aggressive” mothers or things like that
this sounds like someone who found out they're 0.3% italian 0.025% viet and decided to embrace the cultural identity of each depending on the situation
“Kim chi” excuse me KIM CHI … how does someone expect to not be found out with that macro aggression of a name?
I imagine RF Kuang must watch all this drama go down on a cinema size plasma screen while twirling a glass of red wine.
I can't believe this has become its own video genre by now 😭
"Girl, you were Italian. You were one of the spicy whites." 😭😭😭
Embrace the italian heritage!
I don't even think she was Italian! Notice how she came from Las Vegas and didn't answer that other person's question which was "What part of Italy do you come from?"
She's probably a WASP who started pretending she was Italian because she thought it was spicier, and then stepped up into pretending to be a woman of colour.
@ville__ tf is wrong with you ???
@@ayabouchareb6791it's just a troll/bot, ignore them.
@@ayabouchareb6791
It’s probably just a bot, ignore it lol.
Girl literally called herself kimchi and thought she wouldn't get caught.
the ending of this video is gold, Cindy puts it into words so well!
13:32 "pop out of the pixel like surprise it's cho ch***" was so funny for no reason
I dropped the plum I was eating because it was so unexpected and hilarious .😂😂
BYEE I listened to the video while in another tab and was not expecting that when I clicked on the timestamp 😭😭😭
For a second I thought you were talking about Kim Chi from RuPaul’s Drag Race and I was like well as far as I know Kim Chi is VERY Asian… Then the realization hit me 😭😭
RF kuang is getting her paycheck
The rich get richer
wdym. What's up with her?
@@Kye9842she wrote this book called yellow face about thus exact type of situation
@@Kye9842 she wrote a literary fiction novel about an author assuming her successful author friend's asian identity to publish a book
@@alannafish so it's just about yellowfacing? not sure what the issue would be
lmfaoooooo not cho ch**k in the corner of a single pixel!!!! love you cindy
"I'd like to apologize, now please read this long novel about all of my excuses instead of an actual apology."
If I had a quid for every white author found to be faking their race in 2024, I'd have enough money to pursue writing full time
*raises fisticuffs*
"How many times do we need to teach you this lesson, old man???"
*white woman
That conclusion was on fire and is literally my experience in the academy… just replace “writing” with “research”. The competition, shoehorning into only studying “your people”, and rarity of academic jobs is pretty much identical, along with the misunderstanding of what being a minoritized group means.
Intersectionality doesn’t mean that one gets a double pass on anything, on the contrary. In the US it just means that your life can be twice as hard.
Also, reading Kuang’s Yellowface right now (saw your review a long time ago)… the timing is painfully impeccable.
I heard the name “Toby” and IMMEDIATELY got reminded of the guy who tried to impersonate the author of my immortal, now that is a nightmare of a rabbit hole.
now i'm just imagining a book where the protagonist claims to be a racial minority that the author isn't apart of and they behave like a complete stereotype, but halfway through the first chapter you realize, "oh the POV character is just a compulsive liar who constantly makes stuff up"
That would actually be a super interesting book
I’m into it! Reminds me of one of my favorite video games, Kuon-halfway through you realize that one of the protagonists is either lying about what’s going on or flat out not experiencing the same stuff. It rules.
KIM CHI LMAO- There wasn't even an effort for the name this time😭
she heard of the drag queen and thought it was a real name probably
If i had a nickel for everytime I've seen a writer pretend to be another race this year, I'd have 3 nickels. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it is happening at all 😭
It’s not weird, it’s an easier way to get published if you’re not already a massive name. Second gen immigrant stories are formulaic at this point.
So excited for you to become Italian!
0:24 u can cross off indigenous on ur bingo board with Joseph Boyden, except this dude made a lot of money off of his purported identity :|
Yeah, I don't know how I feel about the person who wrote that saying she "read" as a white woman. My best friend is black, grew up in an all black neighborhood in New York, has a grandmother from the deep south, and checks off plenty of nifty little stereotypes that are internalized by people of all races including black, and she is regularly assumed to be white online due to those commonly internalized stereotypes. I myself struggle with my own racial identity due to a lot of weird assumptions and beliefs held by many Americans (especially white but not always), including those with good intentions. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what the person meant, but it rubbed me the wrong way. There is no one way to be a certain race. We have to be careful that in calling out bad behavior, we aren't over-correcting and creating more division and gatekeeping. The fact that she was right, too, makes me think people are going to double down even more, while completely missing the overall point.
Also, my apologies if this has already been addressed elsewhere, or if I'm just seriously misunderstanding what she was trying to say. She seems to bring it up multiple times both in how the character was written and how the woman herself behaved, so I'm just wondering if maybe I'm taking it the wrong way.
True, once on reddit someone was convinced I wasn't black because I used yellow emojis instead of the black flesh toned ones😂.
People will assume race over the weirdest of things and it's a part of discrimination and internalized racism. Saying people "talk white", "dress white", "act white" is just stripping people of their identity --- but it's worse on the internet because you can't just point to your features and disprove allegations that you're "wrong" or don't belong.
Super annoying and frustrating.
I’m from south east asia, born and brought up, I don’t even hide it on twitter and my name isn’t white you wouldn’t BELIEVE the number of times I’ve been called a “woke white girl who doesn’t understand” etc on twitter or YT
Yeah I'm glad the person was right, but the whole document was a bit off imo
why on gods green earth would she choose the name kim chi and think people would believe she was asian
Patiently waiting for the debuts of TACO DORITO and COLLARD GREENS to hit shelves soon.
Chimi churri gonna make a debut rn
As a Brazilian, I would choose the pen name COXINHA in a heartbeat.
I'm totally an Indian named Samosa Korma, pls send literary agents my way, thx. Like, come on! 😭Thanks Cindy, although it's sad that at this rate we'll have a bingo before the year is out.
If agents/publishers cared about diversity, they would be acting on it instead of speaking on it
I can’t even make the nickel joke now and it’s barely been a week
"Maybe something was in the soup and the fusion worked too well, and she fused into becoming an Asian"
I'm dead.
Considering there was a French-Canadian director who got outed in 2020 about not being a mixed indigenous woman (as she claimed) and got one of the best Canadian tv shows (Trickster) cancelled because it was about indigenous people and she was the showrunner... Seems the avatar who has impersonated all the races must be on the horizon...
Just kidding it's Ariana Grande
fr tho I am so mad they didn't do the normal thing and just. Like. Hire another fucking showrunner who _is_ Indigenous??!?! There's showrunner turnover in North American shows all the fucking time and a ton of talented Canadian Indigenous showrunners looking for work, hello CBC?!??!?!
The fact this has happened so many times is crazy
Now I want to pretend I'm Italian and call myself Amy Retti
ANOTHER ONE!?
Gotta collect them like infinity stones
ah shit, here we go again
Omfg Dj Khaled
Theres MORE???? I feel like ever since I read Yellowface, there's just been all kinds of 'face' has been happening
Maybe ppl got inspired lol
Its like they took the book as a manual
Three videos about this means Cindy can create a playlist!
It's already a playlist! Drama with Cindy
That rant at the end was so real ;-; I've never felt so validated before
Petition for Cindy to release her uncut ranting videos. I could srsly listen to you yap forever
KIM CHI?? Girl really saw people eating kimchi and was like "Hold on"
KIM CHI? AND SHE THOUGHT SHE WOULDN'T GET FOUND OUT?
Least she can do is name herself Kim Le
Kim Chi is very JKR writing an Asian character. For a moment, I thought it was about her.
Dont say this too loud or JKR realizes another way to get attention and pretends to be indian
@@lagggoat7170 Well, I’ll know when it’s someone insufferable with an alliteration in their name lol
The last segment really nailed it all, great video
this is literally the plot of Disorientation by Elaine Hsieh Chou