a deep dive into the marauders fandom
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00:00 - introduction
06:08 - origins & canon timeline
24:15 - characters & headcanons
31:38 - all the young dudes & fanfic
48:25 - slytherin skittles
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“You wouldn’t last an hour in the asylum where they raised me.”
hahahaha
omg i twt abt this
taylor is mskingbean89 confirmed
I already saw the "The Black Dog" being used for Wolfstar edits 😭
@@theclairewhyi saw peter being used on edits
I will never recover from the fact that the fandom took a total of about 3 sentences of jks work and created an entire new fandom where everyone is gay
WILD
Proof the kids who read these books were always more creative and wonderful than said OG trash can creator
@@FreyaEinde exactly! The fandom already created their own spinoff prequel that rivals the original books.
While they decided to make a movie based off a text book then tried to shoe horn it into a 5 movie saga about the wizarding war 🤯 isn't of taking advantage of the readymade fandom from stuff that was barely covered in the books & especially the movies.
The FB saga was such a mess it ended at 3 😂 and was mostly to try back up her claims about Dumbledore (& Grindelwald) which was only barely touched in the last one.
*After this I accidentally had a late night ramble about how I thought/would have liked the "Wizarding world" rebrand prequels to be had they thought it through and what could do after this reboot back to HP. Basically develop different places and times throughout history that are important world building elements. And that by the time they work their way up from the founders, show Dumbledore and Voldemort's journey to what we know them to be during HP; then it would be time to reboot the HP series again... Without the trash can, possibly when we're all older than it is now* 😂
(But imagine if it rebooted in 2090s, it set 100 years in the past 🤯)
Newt was alright but much better left to the one movie instead of forcing into the war drama (just let him focus on his book! It was the inspiration of the movie and could of continued to develop the Wizarding world -which they changed their name to move trying to go beyond HP 😆 could been a series with a different creature each episode) instead shoe-horning him, his friends & weird references.
Such as Dumbledore teaching DADA with no explanation, Miss McGonagall teaching at all during newts hogwarts years which can't be the one we know. They could have focused on her post war era in a series/saga following Voldemort (like a dark version of HP, which would have complimented Harry's arc of their similarities, taking us back to the original format in a different way) who went to school with her and Hagrid. Then the Marauders Saga (possibly forcing on Lilly -continuing the theme of the discovery of magic- but also James -breaking it to show contrast- highlighting their differences but bound together as the future parents of the chosen, and seeing the influential friendships etc; then the second wizarding.
Both sagas ideally pre film flashback scenes for the eventual HP reboot, making them nice Easter eggs. Ideally actors reprising their parts when possible, but they do have a history of losing actors after only 2 movies, for one reason or another. But the Crown changed actors each era and this is a few eras (1st Wizarding war, post war/Vol, Marauders, 2nd Wizarding war, post war/HP/3rd Wizarding war, post war/potential next gen; each 3-7 movies, like a decade per war 🤯) if you to do this you might as well go all out: show Dumbledore in his youth being led astray, the founders, before & after the statue of secrecy. I would like to see the huge moments in history that played a pivotal role.
Maybe in the next reboot; which is planned for about 2026-2036 and may be followed by a next gen as they wanted to do a cursed child, with the historical prequels possibly covering 3/4 decades.
So following this the next reboot could be in 50 years, with completely fresh people... if we're still interested & capable/haven't destroyed everything by then 😅 hopefully not (imagine if it rebooted in 2090s, it set 100 years in the past 🤯)
@@FreyaEinde trash can???? Wow what an L take
@@clonetrooper2003 Oh I'm so sorry you're right, original rubbish bin authoress. We must maintain standards after all *curtsies*
“He’s headcannoned as queer, sometimes trans, sometimes Japanese” and “he smokes, he loves David Bowie, he’s dyslexic” respectively took me out in fact
the confidence that remus is the way he is, is exactly how he is yk
That's actually hilarious lmao
sirius black sending severus snape to the shrieking shack while remus is transforming is just like rachel berry sending sunshine corazon to a crack house for her glee club audition
this comment made me fall to my knees in a walmart
the specific exposure i had to have to pop culture that allowed me to understand the context of this entire sentence deserves its own video
such a niche reference I love it
oh i love you
So excited for historians in 2000 years to rip their hair out over this one
The fact that the Harry Potter fandom created an entire new fandom based on extremely minor characters is god tier. The writer of All The Young Dudes probably feels like a king right now. I would deadass love an entire recap video on All The Young Dudes lmao
they said im going to rewrite harry potter but for the queer, marginalised people.
@@lesbiangoddess290 and we love and stan them for it. I read All The Young Dudes more than I read the actual series lol
@@lesbiangoddess290 they also said im going to rewrite harry potter but acknowledge and address the huge class divides in the uk (which is the main reason i absolutely 100% do not believe taylor swift wrote it, like no as a brit it was 1000% written by a brit)
yes!!
I second it! 🙌🏼
as a marauders fan, who deeply uses them as a way of escapism, this video is hilarious i can’t. the struggle of explaining it all to people is CRAZYY. like how am i supposed to explain that characters mentioned in a single sentence were then put into a fanfiction with the setting of the hunger games AND IT HAS MORE WORDS THAN THE BIBLE?? fucking help.
yesss
crimson rivers was WILD i tried to explain it to a friend and just gave up at some point😭
TRULY
@@uncarley i need a crimson rivers deep dive video
I love Crimson Rivers
"I'm broken, what if himbo jock saves me"
- heartstopper in a nutshell.
lmao noooooo
Immediately where my brain went 🤣
I literally just finished ACOTAR for the first time and that’s essentially the plot of A Court of Silver Flames.
When i read the first hp book when i was eight years old i could have never predicted that one day I would hear the phrase “the babygirlification of death eaters” but here we are
can’t wait to hear you talk about gay dead wizards for an hour
yes baby!!
"he's shipped with an early grave" is amazing 😂
hahaha thank you
Truly incredible 😂
'ever heard of a little twink named Dumbledore?' has been replaying in my brain non-stop for the past 24 hours. the funniest thing i've ever heard, permanently altered me on a molecular level, thank you.
from someone who's incredibly active in the marauders fandom:
James: sun, jock, rich, often pansexual, often desi, pureblood, sometimes depicted as having ADHD or anxiety, typically shipped with regulus or lily.
Sirius: star, arrogant but secretly insecure of many things, pureblood, often french or asian, affected by his traumatic childhood and The Regulus Situation, usually gay, bi, or trans, ALWAYS shipped with remus.
Remus: moon, nerd, usually gay or bi, sometimes dyslexic, halfblood, either flirty and violent or shy and quiet there is no in between, shipped with sirius almost exclusively.
Peter: trying his best is most of his personality, often asexual, often plus sized, pureblood, in AU (alternate universe) fics he is usually a good friend and isn't always a rat.
Lily: girl, radiates spring energy, usually either lesbian or bi, headcanoned as plus-sized, muggleborn, most commonly shipped with james or mary but occasionally with marlene, sassy and smart.
Marlene: punk-badass icon, usually lesbian, shipped with dorcas or sometimes lily, usually pureblood but it changes depending on fic, jock.
Mary: bi, straight, or lesbian it changes, black in fanon, muggleborn, flirty, sassy, sometimes has a previous relationship with sirius.
Dorcas: usually lesbian, often has a rivals/enemies to lovers arc with marlene, black in fanon with being seen as more dark-skinned than zoe kravitz, pureblood but it varies, smart, usually incredibly sarcastic and snarky.
Regulus: star, shipped with james for sunshine x grumpy arc/enemies to lovers not only as a sirius substitute, traumatized, gay or trans, usually french or asian, has problems with sirius, usually dormmates with even rosier and bart crouch jr, smart, posh and "stuck up", sarcastic, has anxiety.
Evan: headcanoned as a POC, sometimes said to be pandora's brother (known as the rosier twins), usually gay or bi, pureblood, shipped with barty crouch jr (rosekiller).
Barty: canon ravenclaw but often depicted as slytherin, shipped with even rosier (rosekiller), pureblood, daddy issues, usually rich and stuck up, usually gay, canon incredibly intelligent but fanon chaotic dumbass.
Pandora: sometimes headcanoned as a POC, sometimes evan's sister (rosier twins), usually ravenclaw, but sometimes slytherin, blood status unknown, hippie-chick vibes, usually either sells or smokes weed, "weird girl", often aeroace, or lesbian, or bi, doesn't have many ships but sometimes is shipped with lily evans (pandalily) or sybil trelawney, close with regulus.
there are other more minor characters such as emmeline vance, bejy fenwick, frank longbottom, alice prewett/fortescue/longbottom, etc.. that are mentioned sparsely in the books or have been fabricated by fanfic writers and other fans. characters that are apart of the slytherin skittles/emeralds have very little canon information so the majority of their fanon info is debated on and have many headcanons so it's hard to explain their situations. often, especially in older fics, the valkyries (usually mary, lily, and marlene but sometimes includes dorcas, pandora, and emmeline) are undermined and not given much attention/have no personality other than "pretty girl with attitude" which also makes these explanations difficult. ALSO- there is currently a fan-made series being made called The Rise of the Order (TROTO) about the marauder's lives at hogwarts during the 70s, I'm pretty sure it will be released on youtube when it's complete but I highly recommend checking it out if you're looking for more marauders content. I spent way too much time trying to put this into less than a 56-page essay and I would love to see more marauders content in the future
hey!! so i read atyd, are there any fanfics you'd recommend or that are popular? i don't usually read ff but damn this video moved smth in me
@@bixiella7830if you liked the hunger games and want to experience that nostalgia mixed with the marauders (no magic involved though) I definitely recommend Crimson Rivers. Give yourself some time to get into it and suddenly you won’t be able to stop :) And also better women representation imo whilst still keeping the main ships like wolfstar and jegulus :))) The choke hold it has on me rn is insane, hope that helps, otherwise check out some of the other fics by the same author of Crimson Rivers (all on ao3 and i think you need to create an account to read it)
@@bixiella7830 "Only the Brave" I loved. It's a retelling of the final year in hogwarts plus the first few years of wizarding war, basically Regulus secretly saving the wizarding world by being a morally grey hero etc. If you can ignore the fact that the narrator's voice sounds a little too modern, I can highly recommend this one! it's just unhinged fun.
@@key956 thank you💕💕
@@bixiella7830 do you want stuff in the HP universe?
The Marauders universe just shows how strongly we need dark academia in our lives.
YES
😆
“Either Lily or Regulus” bbgirl keep up with the times the girlies have invented Jegulily.
not the lesbian and the gay man 😞😞
As a Jily lover this is where the good stuff is for me!! And sadly I’ve also seen a fair share of lily hate/slander on jegulus fics so this assures me that there won’t be any of that bs 😅
@@adrinapxthey can be bi, nothing is canon
@@adrinapxreally reductive not consider pansexuals and bi
honestly the best thing that happened to the fandom in recent history
“More often than not he’s shipped with an early grave.” is such an unironically HARD line like DAMN 😭😭😭😭
I'm mildly ashamed that I noticed, but quick fact correction - when you went over canon at the start, you mentioned lily doing dark magic to protect harry. That's fanon - Rowling really went the 'true love' route. In canon, it's the strength of her love when she sacrifices herself. Widely in fanon, people called bs and went the 'given we know she was 'the smartest witch of her age' she probably laid some ritual magic to make sure her son survived' route. Just a small thing.
I think it might have been meant as a joke
The dark magic thing is definitely my preference, because the "true love" explanation inadvertently implies that anyone who was successfully killing-cursed was not truly loved, which is gross.
@@a.morphous66 Don't forget that in She Who Shall Not Be Named's opinion, being a mother is the greatest thing that a woman can aspire to so therefore a mother's love is thus the most powerful and important kind of love. And that it wasn't just that Harry was loved, but also that Lily died protecting him specifically.
'overpromise, under deliver' should be every politician's slogan
literally. also me when
hell yes
@@uncarleyrun for the president. my vote is with you
it's also result of each of my RPG campaings, but one day I'm gonna overdeliver
that’s literally the original context of that phrase lol
So interesting to hear that the stereotype for Remus is that he is the least academic. I was never deep in the Marauders fandom, but I read the occasional Wolfstar and I remember (in my tumblr prehistory of 2011-2012) the dynamic being that Remus was the academic of the group and that although James and Sirius were very smart, they didn't care as much about grades. How times change. Or my brain rot is further gone than I thought and I am misremembering.
love this essay you're so right babe
I think Remus would have been the smart kid that worked hard for their grades. Sirius and James would have been smart kids who just get the material quickly without trying hard.
And Peter was just an average kid with really smart friends, so he was able to skate by easier than others in classes.
I don't know if there is much to back me up in my thoughts, but the one scene where the boys are talking about their exams, and joking about the answers, Peter is genuinely panicking over his test, whereas the rest are more nonchalant.
I absolutely remember reading on the good ol' Tumblr that Remus was the academic of the group 🫠
in general remus is def still the academic. the only thing i’ve ever seen where he was portrayed as being unacafemic was all the young dudes
i genuinely think it was ATYD that changed this. why is that fanfic more influential for the marauders fandom than all the Official Media combined it’s crazy
"you kiss your mother with those anti-wolfstar lips" is one of those sentences that is just gonna stay in my mind for a while
I also think the fact that J.K. Rowling said that being a werewolf is a metaphor for hiv (which is WILD when you have Fenrir Greyback as a werewolf targeting children, when people looove to say that the gays are targeting children) plays a big part in Lupin being seen as gay/bi
I don't know that that's a major reason why people usually HC'ed Remus as queer. He's introduced in 1993, a general outcast in the wizarding world, with a secret that may get him fired and/or put in danger. As soon as the world finds out, he is instantly canned bc he expects parents to demand he not teach their children. And IIRC, that tidbit came out long after the marauders fandom settled on key characteristics. I think queer fans just saw a character they could relate to in many ways.
"babe if you're killing one baby, what's another baby??" i had to PAUSE
LIKE???
why are you contemplating this lmao he's acting like a normal person like he's acting like he's a nice man ::D
when they do an internet excavation in 4024 and this video is all they find...
I can’t believe you described the marauder’s map as a snap map, and I can’t believe that it is literally an identical comparison
me a marauders fan in 2013 could not have fathomed such a comparison let alone a irl (muggle) equivalent
no one hates jk more than the marauders fandom and i think that’s beautiful
Why this gotta be so true, though 😆
“you kiss your mother with those anti-Wolfstar lips” I LOVE YOU
snape slander and shipping death eaters together with a cutesy name being a part of the same fandom is crazy lol. finally learned what the plot of ATYD with this video, thanks carley
absolutely WILD
I think the justification is that they head canon all the death eater kids as being like a product of their parents like Draco (except Crouch Jr whos like rebelling against his asshole father or smthn) whereas Snape was raised by a muggle dad and subservient mom who just decided to be a wizard nazi for shits and giggles (i think pls don’t quote me)
It’s my least favourite part of the fandom, like why are people more willing to sympathize with wizard kkk members than like women in general oml😭
@@thatrantinggirl7376 im not like in the fandom at all my knowledge is very surface level but I think it has to do with the fact that there is something to sympathize with even if it only exists in very very slight subtext whereas it’s harder to find that in the female characters except Lily but even then being killed but a wizard hitler isn’t really relatable but falling victim to family pressure is
@@Joenotsoexotic69but you could literally say that snape was looked down on for being in Slytherin and a half-blood, wanted to be accepted so he started to insult muggleborns so they'd lay off him. I mean its not an excuse but having racist fascist parents also isn't. I feel like its fictional so its whatever babygirlificy whoever you want but at least don't be a hypocrite
Your delivery of “Barty Crouch… junior” had me ROLLING i can’t breatheeeee 😭
I love that most of the marauders lore is fan created but it is still and always will be law that Remus and Sirius are fuckin'
I think Jegulus is also so popular, because it often ties into a "happy ending alternate universe" for the marauders, rather than the tragic canon ending!
or this could be even more devastating for the angst girlies when Regulus becomes a death eater because he feels he has to in order to protect sirius and also live (he would get abused and possibly killed if he refused) so is forced to break up with James as they are on opposite sides of the war but later tries to leave since he realises he has to do something to kill voldy since james and sirius and everyone else on the other side of the war that he still loves will die since the death eaters are being lead by someone that is currently immortal and no one knows so then hunts horcruxes and dies in the cave when he was trying to get out and back to James, leaving James behind... (thats the basic story for 'canon-complaint' jegulus fics)
@@prongs_little_king ohh that is such a good point! I like a bit of that angsty narrative too, but (after having read more than enough sad canon) i now just need them all to be okay haha, at least in the end!
But I feel like Tragic Canon Ending is what makes the Maurders such an interesting group. They grow up in the middle of a war and then get torn asunder at the age of 21.
Read only the brave it's the best jegulus fic I know of and it has a happy ending plus you get BAMF regulus i love himmm
@@sanvikalloli7775 literally so good
when you touched on the fact that the women in the fandom aren’t really as talked about, it was completely true. as someone who writes fanfiction for this fandom…i absolutely love writing wlw fics but i’ve noticed that when i post them, they get absolutely no reads compared to my fics about mlm ships, when if i’ve put 70% more effort into it than i do with the mlm fics. sexism in this fandom is definitely NOT spoken about enough.
I’m 23, so I was mostly into fandom culture like 12-7 years ago. I don’t know if I was just in a different portion of these fandoms or if things have changed since then in significant ways, but I remember everyone being way more invested in the female characters than they seem to be now. The main marauder fanfiction that I was into was called “The Life and Times” and it included all those side characters and everything but it was primarily about James and Lily still. And I feel like het, wlw, and mlm fanfics we’re getting at least closer to equal attention? I don’t know if fandom culture has just changed a lot over the last decade, or if I’ve just grown up more and therefore noticed this more, but I’ve been increasingly weirded out by the extent to which straight/bi women are obsessed with gay men and their sexuality, especially in fiction. When straight men fantasize about and over sexualize lesbians, we rightly acknowledge that that dehumanizes them and is just generally kind of gross energy. But then when straight women are obsessed with reading about gay men having sex, I feel like we act like it’s this progressive slay moment when it seems like the same to me? Idk if this is a recent cultural phenomenon or not, but it’s something I’ve been noticing often and it’s been kind of disturbing to me how it dehumanizes gay men and reduces them to sex objects, and sidelines women or entirely paints them out of the picture. Like if you’re equally into everything that’s one thing, but it feels sad to me how so many women are honestly kind of antagonistic toward women having any prominent roles in the stories that the fandoms create. It seems like a new form of “not like other girls” in a way, like “oh of course I’m not interested in any straight stories” but it’s just a way to ignore women and objectify queer people in a way this you wouldn’t do to straight people. Idk if any of this made sense, wnd maybe it’s just me but I’m kind of getting bad vibes
@@katie-allen it’s totally a whole *straight woman looking for gay best friend* type thing
@@st4r_glrl5 yeah, it’s so frustrating. It’s almost like queer men are puppets or dolls that straight women can play with to entertain themselves. Idk like maybe more queer men than I realize are fine with it because of the added representation, and it’s just my queer male friends who aren’t feeling great about it. At least that’s what people argue makes it okay, like “we’re adding representation so us sexualizing these men nonstop is great actually.” But I know that as a woman, I’m not feeling grateful when a woman is added to a story just to be objectified and treated as a sex object
this issue is constantly brought up by sapphics (especially lately with the release of the dungeon meshi anime, at least from what ive personally seen) but arguments are constantly shut down by stuff like 'well why dont you write/draw more f/f then?' (the ratios are like 1 to 100 its impossible to compete and people dont care), 'female characters are less fleshed out' (people will create pairings between guys who barely ever talk in canon so clearly they dont have this issue with men) or 'i only read m/m because i dont like to be reminded that sexism exists' (???).
its crazy people refuse to admit that misogyny can be internalized and can affect something like fandom, and that fetishization of m/m is rampant. we live in an androcentric society and yes, even fandom falls victim to it. like, hell, for exemple, theres an among us tag on ao3 and 50% of the fics are m/m, for a game with genderless dialogueless blobs 😭 nobody wants to think about their relationship to female characters in media because its simply too awkward.
I'm fully agreeing and loving this comment train, but i was just wondering what the og commentors fanfic alias is and where they write so i can find some wonderfull wlw fics.
lmao I still remember the old fandom days where there were actual arguments between people who shipped wolfstar and people who shipped sirius with marlene
Okay I'm glad somebody said it because I've been scrolling through the comments far too long & nobody has mentioned this! A lot of the fics I read way back when had Blackinnon
omg this😭💀
Dude same! I'm apart of the Marauders fandom and I'm bisexual so I'm obviously all for queer rights HOWEVER I've come across SO MANY toxic Wolfstar and Dorlene shippers absolutely slandering other fans for not shipping those ships but Blackinnon and Dorcas with Remus or Peter instead. These ships are completely fanon so it's WILD to me when people who ship Blackinnon are called homophobic. Like what? That is not how homophobia works lol. I like Wolfstar and Dorlene BUT I also like Blackinnon and if I'm reading a Marauders fic and they're one of the pairings I'm not gonna stamp my foot like a toddler and leave in anger lol. Some Marauders fans need to get of their high horses and remember that the Marauder Era is 99.9% fan made so it's not canon and they can't mad at anyone who doesn't agree with their head canon.
the david tennant erasure for barty crouch jr is heinous.
it’s a crime that so many books have been published that are just r*ylo fanfiction with the serial numbers filed off and NARY a marauders ripoff has yet to hit the shelves
Babe it's a goal
I mean isn't The mortal instruments Harry Potter fanfic? In that series there's literally an older generation that's just a James, Lily and Werewolf!Sirius love triangle but also if they were evil
@@LabinzelI mean it’s definitely inspired but it’s not HP fanfic. I would say that the characters from Chain of Gold are probably partial marauders knock-offs
@@Labinzelyes, it started as fanfic, Reads with Rachel has a video on it. Cassie Clare is kinda wild
The Mortal Instruments started as Ginny+Draco fanfic 🤢 what a ship
I'm embarrassed at how much of this lore was sitting in the back of my mind. great vid as usual
after i watch this marauders video i’m gonna go watch your newest bachelor recap. ashley ily
My two deep dive UA-cam besties coming together in the comment section of a mauraders video to maximize their joint slay
the sirius and remus personality and aesthetic swap will be my roman empire i HATE it😭
THIS
SAME! I absolutely LOATH how some Marauders fans have made Sirius out to be this 4'0 tall girly girl who bows to the will of 7'0 tall "i'm gonna fight you" muscular alpha minded Remus...like what?! What happened to tall, muscular Sirius who has tattoos and smokes and lowkey has an alcohol addiction and rides a freaking motorcycle?! Just because he has long hair and is frequently paired with Remus doesn't mean he's suddenly weak or whatever. And why in Gods gren Earth would people start headcanoning Remus as violent when he was literally terrified of hurting people because of his lycanthropy??? I love sweater wearing, chocolate eating, quiet, nerdy Remus who also smokes and gets crazy sometimes but doesn't beat everyone to a pulp for breathing lol.
This is giving me flashbacks to my children's literature paper, where I got marked down for my Prisoner of Azkaban essay for writing about Remus Lupin the gay HIV allegory...
This is my multiverse of madness. I am so excited. 🫡
FUCK YES
13:07 "Lily, Harry's dad.." so true
Why didn’t I catch that 😭
I thought teenagers were symbols of hope for our future, but now that I know they're fucking up my historical marauders head canon I'm rethinking everything
I used to be in the fandom a while ago but stopped and THIS is my reintroduction to it after years- I am absolutely baffled by the slytherin skittles and jegulus which wasn't as popular before but now is just the main thing?? i dont like the tiktok-ification im sorry 😭
Mulciber and Avery were the ones that attacked Mary, there was no mention of Barty and Evan participating in that attack. Avery and Muciber are also almost exclusively characterized as bad in fandom. Evan was the death eater that caused mad eye moody to loose his eye, and then was killed by mad eye, and Barty we only know in the context of the 4th movie.
yes!
NEARLY AN HOUR?? you are FEEDING us today and as a marauders stan, i love it
Right??!
yessss
The melting makeup adds drama and cinematic value
its symbolism
MY ART TEACHER USED OUR SCHOOL PRINTER TO PRINT THAT FANFIC WITH THE 60S MARAUDERS TO DO BOOK BINDING IN THE SCHOOL CAFETTERIA OMG
I had a brief mauraders fling and i gotta say for the insanity that is this fandom, fancasting timothee as regulus was actually genius.
every since carley said on the podcast that people tell her she gives off mean girl energy it's driving me insane. how?? how?? this girl melted all her makeup to feed tumblr and ao3 girls for an HOUR. she is SACRIFICING herself and carley i love you
omg this is so nice thank you
@@uncarley anytime bb you give off the sweetest vibes possible
the insanity that is 2010's stan culture will be studied in the centuries to come
as an avid marauders fan, i think you hit on all the good points
however, you are truly right that you have barely scratched the surface
this is the deepest dive i have seen in one video, and i applaud you for that. the dedication is Insane
it is truly amazing (and appaling) to see what a fandom can do with eight characters that were only mentioned a few times in the original canon
This is the best UA-cam video on this app I swear. I was low key giggling kicking my feet lmaooo but also as a HUGE Rosekiller and “Slytherin skittles” fan I’d also like to say that mulciber isnt apart of that group and also Rosekiller and these death eater characters are often written as, yes insane, but also very fleshed out and complex with all their personal issues. Anyways this is so awesome I was so happy watching this you’re so funny!!
I was SEARCHING for this comment yes!!
THANK YOU OMG I WAS LOSING MY MIND LOL
haven’t watched this just yet, but “all the young dudes” now being considered the marauders/wolfstar bible makes me feel old (and a bit sad)-in my time, it was “the shoebox project” which reads like a published novel, not a fanfic. the writing is excellent. it’s so formative to me.
bro i feel old too! these new marauders stans are built different
In my prime marauders days it was "the life and times", still waiting for that next chapter update
i feel a similar way in that the fandom nowadays seems to reject independent / original portrayals of these characters (that are mostly blank slates mind you) in favour of what’s laid out in ‘all the young dudes’. it’s been sad watching that shift tbh and what’s ultimately turned me off from the fandom entirely.
the amount of nostalgia i have for the shoebox project -- honestly it's peak literature, iconic, the kids can keep atyd
@@najadetwo22YEEEEESSSSSS!!!! love that one!! have you ever read the last enemy series??
as someone who has been in the Marauders and Wolfstar fandom since 2007 (in fact, I was part of the spanish Marauders fandom and it was already big, so the english fandom had to be up and running way before), so 10 years before All The Young Dudes was published, I'm surprised about people treating ATYD as Marauders "canon", since it's pretty OOC and NOT actual canon compliant, and I know a lot of older Wolfstar fans that truly don't like these characterizations. I enjoyed it, because it is well-written and well-researched (at least the 70s muggle culture part).
and speaking of thatm ATYD definitely didn't introduced the idea of having the Marauders being into 70s muggle popculture, for example Sirius and Andromeda, the two rebelious Black kids, being into muggle music has been part of their headcanon forever. I discovered A LOT of music just by being in the fandom.
yes its interesting how not canon atyd is!!
Isn't Sirius liking muggle culture like a thing in the actual books? Like I swear it's said in maybe Order of the Phoenix(?) that he has posters of muggle things like motorcycles and girls, so liking muggle music might not be too far off right?
@@moniqueespinoza2452you’re spot on!! It’s seen as a “rebellious” act because his parents were so anti-muggle.
are there any pre-ATYD fics you would recommend? I've only recently been introduced to Marauders through it. I did really like it, but as you said, not very canon-compliant, so are there any you recommend from 'before' that were influential to the fandom?
@@Sky-bu1jj sadly, i don't think i remember any. back then i was exclusively part of the spanish part of the fandom, since i didn't become fluent enough in english until i was in college, and by that point i wasn't as invested anymore. i didn't save any and probably most of them have been deleted.
i do remember the fic that was the ATYD for spanish speakers back in the day, it was called Marauder!Crack, published on Livejournal by a woman called irati. it was supposed to be just a bunch of drabbles but it got incredibly popular so she kept going and it became our unoficial marauder canon. since it was published 20 years ago, it had plenty of inaccuracies, given that the last two books hadn't even been published yet. unfortunately, i tried to re-read it again a few years ago and couldn't find it, but i have very fond memories of it.
thoughts from someone who was IN the trenches 2015-2020:
- remus was actually a mix of soft boy / david bowie in most of those fics. he smoked and listened to alt music but was also academically strong due to not wanting to be held back by circumstances (this was also the time where TRC was big on tumblr so there were many parallels between remus lupin and adam parrish)
- remus and lilys friendship was often the linchpin. remus and lily were friends before she and james were dating, they gave each other advice, she was his main go to during the fall out of the Prank
- sirius was the punk rock misunderstand Baddie with niche interests and adhd energy but was more the doberman to james’ golden retriever.
- lily indeed was “girl” witty, kind, intelligent, academic but also intrinsically worked within the marauders group. bi, obviously. her friends were usually marlene, alice and frank, dorcus and mary, with marlene being her “best friend” and portrayed similarly to how she is in modern marauders fic
- james has been HCed as desi since about 2016 from my memory and the loyal, steadfast happy go lucky vibe from those times seems to have persisted because he’s honestly just a lover boy who’s very hard to get wrong
- regulus mostly existed as an angst point for wolf star or conflict within sirius’ internal life and did not usually have a major impact
- peter was usually portrayed as the Other One, always there, occasionally funny and existed on the fringes, which kinda led into the portrayal.
tl; dr: major character differences from early 2010s marauders,
sincerely written by an early marauders Expert (i read and wrote these fics up until last year)
its crazy when MULTIPLE fanfics are seen as more canon than actual sequels to the original series
more context for mary:
its headcannon that she obliviated herself yes, but as a result of literally every single person she's ever known being murdered or in jail (aside from remus, who's mental health was simply gone for the same reasons) because james, lily, marlene, dorcas, regulus, evan, peter were all killed (or so she thought), and barty and sirius were locked up, and obviously she thought sirius betrayed them so why would she care about him? so to save herself and her mental health, she chose to forgo that pain
I've also seen the headcanon that Mary Macdonald is Mary Elizabeth Cattermole, the wife of Reginald Cattermole, the man Ron Weasley impersonated when he, Harry, and Hermione infiltrated the Ministry of Magic. Both Mary's were Muggle born witches and because a majority of the fandom headcanons Mary Macdonald to have been friends, and sometimes lovers, with Lily Evans they thought it would be cool if years in the future that's how she re-meets Harry. Personally I really like this headcanon because despite her losing so much, so she gets a happy ending with her husband and three children. Also, if they're the same Mary, Remus wouldn't be completely alone for twelve years because they would get together every Sunday or something for brunch and catch up.
my favorite thing about the marauders fandom is how they’ve transformed jks characters that were mentioned for like two seconds in the books into full blown stories about said characters with aspects ab themselves she would actually hate.
Headcanons/things I would like to add:
-Bartylus (bartyxregulus) pre rosekiller
-Pandora was in ravenclaw
-aroace Peter
-trans regulus
More Ships:
-Pandora x lily
-bellatrix x Rita
-Alice x narcissa
I'm sorry but where tf did those Bellatrix x Rita and Alice x Narcissa originate from?! 😭I'm literally bisexual so I love me some gay representation but some of these fans are reaching! Also I lowkey kinda hate aroace Peter because why did people look at the fat, stupid, traitorous character and decide "yeah lets make him our aroace representation"??? Idk that's just me...
@@hobbes6557 yeah I know, I don’t exactly agree with all of them but I thought I should mention because that’s what some people think.
@@helenbrennan2344 No thanks for mentioning them because I had no idea a couple existed lol. Now I won't be surprised when i come across fanart or something.
Peter is not the rep we need in the aroace community 😆 So thanks, but no thanks
I have an alternate hypothesis as to the popularity of James/Regulus. It’s 70s Draco/Harry.
Unrelated though, this video was excellent at explaining something to me. Wolfstar has always been my favorite HP ship {ignoring the ones featuring an OC I made up as a child} but I’ve never been able to get into this new iteration of Marauders fandom and couldn’t figure out why.
It’s because of the character changes to Remus. Like, I didn’t love the soft boy version of him that predates ATYD - chocolate and sweaterpaws is absolutely not my thing and I find it exhausting when he’s characterized as overly soft-, but I liked it more than the AtYD version that’s ubiquitous now and those being the primary options for my favorite character in the series is what’s walled me out.
For real I really don’t love this Remus characterization it just doesn’t feel like him
Carley and friends terrorizing Joanne!? It's giving ✨️inconic✨️
she better watch her back
queer avengers 💅
i need to know the deets
ok so i'm like pushing 30 and the last time i was around this fandom was in 2012-2013. here are things i consider canon: Sirius is gay, Remus is bi. they dated in Hogwarts and got back together once Sirius escaped prison. imo it's kinda implied in the books: they live together, they send Harry gifts/letters together. after Sirius dies, Remus is understandably depressed and grieving. he finds some comfort in Tonks, prob also bi, but pushes her away throughout HBP cause he's not ready to move on. like that is canon in my mind, not even fanon lmao
Literally im 30 and this is also canon for me
26 here and this is the only way I can accept Wolfstar as a possibility and still like it. I’m a canon purist so I hate how so many fanfics kind of erase or diminish the canon relationships (like Remus/Tonks and James/Lily).
26 here and you're so right. it's so obvious that in deathly hallows remus has a mental breakdown when he learns that tonks is pregnant because she's his essentially-husband's cousin and it's all a bit too much
There's sooo much tragic potential in their relationship and how they would absolutely both make each other better and be capable of destroying one another. Also the symbolism - they became Animagi for Remus and Sirius' form is a dog, so close to a wolf? 😭
I am 20 and decade younger and this has been my theory since I read HP at the age of 11 lmfaooo. I also think Remus actually never liked Tonks properly and initially thought so because she potentially has a personality similar to younger/carefree Sirius. But also I have always disliked Remadora.
as a Resident Desi™️ myself, i had to do a doubletake when Carley pronounced it "dezzy" 🤭 that sounds sm cooler, i wish, it's like "dthay-see" phonetically, if you're curious !!
the way that the mauraders (characters) are explained to people who aren’t familiar sends me every time. like what do we mean it’s about Harry’s dead father who is literally never alive in the time the books take place in, his godfather who is present in 4 books, his teacher for one (1) school year, and some other dude who became a rat? genuinely baffling for people unaware i am sure
ngl hearing all the marauder's lore explained out loud made me realize how absolutely criminally insane me and everybody else in that fandom are, that being said, do I still religiously listen to David Bowie and eat a bunch of chocolate... well yes of course
(also I feel like another draw to the fandom is the fact that Remus is usually depicted as disabled/chronically ill which is another minority that barely has ANY REPRESENTATION at all ANYWHERE. So for people like me its just so incredible to read fic where Remus' health issues are at the forefront and you see how it impacts his life and relationships, etc.)
Did you ever read Text Talk by merlywhirls? I remember that was my formative Wolfstar fic, it's a non-magical AU where Remus has a chronic illness.
@@kasterborouskitten I'm so glad someone brought up Text Talk because that was THE fic for me
Chronically ill magic or non magic remus is my remus
It might sound weird, but sometimes i do think imagination is the purpose of humanity and people using their imagination together to create a fandom like this is so beautiful to me.
whats also a shitty thing done by JKR is you find a lot of 'villainous' characters who aren't seen as 'truly evil' like voldemort or Lucius will be fat, like Peter pettigrew or Like the Dursleys, for example, and their fatness is seen as inherently bad and is written as such. The only good characters that can also be fat have to be 'motherly characters,' like molly weasley. Molly's fatness is seen as nurturing and this is contrasted with Petunia dursley who is the only person who isnot fat in the family and we recognize this as it being a 'fault' in her motherhood because she is not nurturing enough.
This is so wild to me as a HP fandom OG who hasn't been involved in the fandom for the past decade. I remember a fanfic writer on the official HP boards twenty years ago writing a Marauders-in-a-band fic, with Lily and several self-insert characters also in a competing band (iirc I was the drummer). I am so delighted to see how the HP fandom was reclaimed from she-who-must-not-be-named. The kids are alright. :D
43:29 dude the way i started listening to all the young dudes (the song) bc of all the young dudes (the fanfic) and one time i was playing it while i was cleaning my room and my dad RAN in to ask how i knew it and i simply didn’t have the heart to tell him the truth…
‘The babygirlification of deatheaters’ ❤
I love that Marauders is still going. You had All The Young Dudes. We had Shoebox Project. This fandom is going to live forever ❤
The shoebox project is my Roman Empire
My favorite solution to the regulus James and Lily ships is that they’re all in a threesome. Also I think another big reason the jegulus ship took off was because people ate UP the angst/crack of Sirius finding out his best friend is dating his estranged brother with death eater sympathy.
The lack of well written women is so sad to me. Lily Evans is my favorite character by far in the fandom and when she’s written well I adore her.
I practically SCREAMED when I saw this I was literally reading a marauders fic AT THIS MOMENT
omg love that
READ THE LAST ENEMY SERIES
@@SnowbergerrReplying just to second this.
the babygirlyfication of the death eaters being so i can fix him (no really i can) vibes
also also,,, david tennant played barty crouch jr ofc he’s my baby girl (in headcanon/ooc obv)
i love that
honestly i didn’t really understand jegulus as a ship when it started popping up everywhere, but hearing you describe regulus as “draco malfoy, basically” and about regulus being a stand in for sirius since wolfstar is the bible but ppl want angsty traumatized emo x lovable himbo jock genuinely made it click for me and now i understand
I mean I preferred the Marauders "fandom" before it was a whole ass separate fandom from the regular Harry Potter fandom but I liked James/Sirius and back then while it wasn't as popular as Wolfstar it wasn't like, the bible or anything.....and kind of lost interest when there became 0 marauders content with anything else. And also I just moved on from being /that/ involved with the fandom once the series was over where as many people did not........
So I kind of see why people wanted a stand in for Sirius but at the same time.....y'all do realize you're allowed to have different ships coexist you don't have to force one character to stand in for another.....maybe not.
I took psychic damage every time you said “slytherin skittles”
This video was a wakeup call that so much of my nostalgia for Harry Potter isn't from the books or movies themselves, but from being so heavily engrossed in the fandom during my ~formative years~
Preteen/teen me: "omg these books are so good, even the minor characters have so much depth, so much deep lore!!!"
Adult me: "No, girl. 99.9% of what you knew about these characters was exclusively through FANFIC"
The amount of Regulus edits I got when Dune came out is insane truly
when i watched dune all i could think of was regulus
the marauders as 'big into 70s muggle pop culture' predated AYTD by ages! that was growing to be accepted fanlore even from 2013/2014 from memory, and heavily cemented in fanlore by 2016/2017. it rose alongside the 'diversify harry potter' sentiment of tumblr!brand harry potter fandom, and was strongly influenced by the 'hipster/alt' culture of tumblr at the time. some of the big early 'canonical' wolfstar ships used the trope as well (i think even 'the shoebox project', which was Theee Wolfstar fic before ATYD, and the cult classic fics by sodomquake). it was around even before ao3 had near-full market dominance, like livejournal/ffn/'may as well host ur own server' days, but it was the sort of proto-dark academia, pseudohistorical tumblr era that made it a full blown phenomenon.
i retain all this knowledge about harry potter against my will i'm sure i could have memorised the collected works of judith butler by now if not for the clutter but y'know that's my battle.
That "you just gotta know" part killed me lol, in the fanfics they just name drop random characters and expect you to KNOW EXACTLY WHO THAT IS, and everybody in the story know who it is, so you just feel ashamed to say that you don't know, shut up and pretend. At this point I feel like every beginner in this fandom just "fake it till you make it" the f*ck out of it lol
I've been in the Marauders fandom since the beginning, I literally met one of my best friends by dressing up as Remus and quoting the Shoebox Project... I do not need to watch this video and I will absolutely be devouring this video anyway.
you are a soilder
as a fucking diehard T. Rex fan to my grave I'm genuinely so glad there's young people being introduced to their music again, it's rough out here when you're one of the only mid-20y/o you know who knows them 😭
also did not expect a T. Rex mention in an uncarley video but also not complaining at all
Did anyone else read The Life and Times by Jewels5? The abandoned maurauder fic from like 10+ years ago? That story had middle school me in a chokehold, I had hope it would get finished for sooo long but alas, there are dreams that cannot be
Babe wake up, new Carley deep dive video
lets go!
The way snape is treated between the golden trio era and the marauders era needs to be studied.
Yesss
I'm litteraly writing an essay on this in my head every other weeks 😂
This is super interesting as someone who was very into Marauders fics a decade ago or so. It's super interesting to see how the collective imagination has expanded and changed. Some things are similar but it seems that this fic 'all the young dudes' has truly been a seismic shock that shifted things around a lot. Remus's character seems to have done a straight 180 especially, from this shy studious and somewhat serious person who is just going along because he's loyal into almost an exact opposite.
i love how old wolfstar is as a ship like i still regularly scroll by fics originally published in 2004. i hope it never stops being canon in the fandom
literally jumped for joy omg
omg im so happy
Honestly, the biggest appeal of Jegulus for me is the star-crossed lover aspect that is mainly their own doing. It's usually shrouded in this "we must keep this hidden from everyone" whether that be because of the Slytherin-Gryffindor rivalry, plain homophobia, Regulus' abusive parents, Sirius' disapprovement, that in the end boils down to massive amounts of trauma and conditioning to the point that Regulus is unable to see their relationship as anything more than a temporary escape from the future that was decided for him which he won't (read cannot) fight. It's very much a "right person, wrong time" but the right time will never arrive because of circumstances the characters find themselves in and the knowledge that one of them is doomed yet remains unwilling to change in order to save himself. The angst potential is just too good to ignore.
Also isn't it written Dorcas and not Dorcus or am I crazy?
yep it’s dorcas meadows imo
49:28 "'So, the biggest ship in the Slytherin Skittles verse is Rosekiller.' Imagine trying to explain that sentence to a child from the Victorian era, you couldn't." 🤣I literally replayed that sentence 3 whole times doing exactly that! The chokehold that fan culture has on linguistics is truly astounding lol thank you for this masterpiece of internet/fandom history, I hope it becomes a pillar of academic wisdom for future historians to marvel at.
i took the opportunity in my english undergrad to write papers about fanfiction whenever i could. You bet i mentioned ATYD, edits, fan casting, and wolfstar in university level essays.
the marauders fandom is genuinely my roman empire… i remember watching a grant edit with august by taylor swift in 2021 and crying uncontrollably. those were the days :)
Still currently watching but little correction for about minute 20:00 - in the books (which is canon), Snape never finds James and Lily dead, it's Sirius who finds them (which is all the more tragic). The movies changed it for no apparent reason, it makes no sense to me tbh.
you’re so right with you only scratching the surface because this really is Entirely only scratching the surface 😭😭 this is all the very base level information you understand if the only marauders content you consume is on tiktok and/or ao3, but then the minute you step into twitter and tumblr there’s a Whole nother level to it. the amount of ships i know and like now after joining the fandom on twitter versus before when i only consumed content on tiktok is CRAZY like no one is safe everybody is shipped with everybody there will always be one person that will like a very obscure ship or headcanon that no one would have never thought about and its so fun (like try explaining ships like bartylily or moonwater and headcanons like trans regulus and genderfluid sirius to a casual potterhead)
also the appeal for the marauders i think stems from the idea of people wanting to create a story that has the same impact as big and well-known franchises like pjo or thg or, well, harry potter, and that is exactly what they did! describing the fandom as creating a whole new canon is quite accurate because that’s essentially it: they took pre-existing characters with little to no backstories and/or personalities and gave them life and a story that’s connected with other characters like them and in turn, it’s something that other people have accepted and have known as a normal and so it’s now their collected canon! which again, is all really fun to do because as much as there is so much discourse because of its Made Up nature (which is the most frustrating and annoying part of the fandom alongside other issues that come with it), it’s really impressive how a community formed from random names in a book that were either only mentioned once or weren’t flushed out enough
absolutely loved this video this was so fun to listen to especially from someone on the outside of it trying to take a peek and being gobsmacked by everything LMAO
Mulciber has and never will be a part of the Slytherin skittles✋🏻
yeah he's never even mentioned in the fandom 😭
the way I GASPED when I saw the title i'm so excited
amazing!!
I love the idea that the queerificafion of the marauders was just a huge fuck you to JK Rowling but then everyone realised how good it was and just kept continuing to queer up all the characters 🤣🤣🤣
For me at least (bi jewish trans guy), the marauders is the only way I interact with any hp content now, and tbh it's not even HP content. It's the marauders. Everyone is so aggressively queer, its incredible (especially Sirius and Regulus, with Sirius being very queer and gnc, and Regulus commonly being headcanoned as being trans, and them both being from an abusive family). The way I see it, the most die-hard Marauders brain-rot enthusiasts are queer people who loved hp growing up, and turned our later hatred of JK Rowling into a big "go fuck yourself" and gave that love to the Marauders instead, essentially creating a new world based on hers, comprised of everything she hates. Very cathartic tbh.
@@KazKindred613 I’m the exact same way, (bi girly) marauders is pretty much the only “HP” content I consume at this point, also loved HP growing up and lost a little love for it after Rowlings Comments, especially since HP was meant to be a safe space for everyone, Sucks that such a beloved franchise was made by a bigot.
@@KazKindred613 ily as a bi Jewish trans masc/gender-fluid girly, I used to love HP until the joke started spewing her bs which kinda stopped my hyper fixation on the golden era and I found that the marauders being so much of just fanon as a miracle and saw Regulus as my refuge with James (Reggie being trans and anxious as you mentioned and James being the "always smiling and taking care of other ppl to ignore his pain" himbo jock)
i wasnt in the fandom for 2 years, i had no idea mulciber is in the slytherin skittles now
he's not
I love the way you talk about wolfstar being law in the fandom cause it’s so true. Also I think another reason jegulus is so popular is cause it’s like drarry (marauders’ version)
My two favorite things uncarley and the marauders
im in good company!
Saw the title and audibly said oh lord
hahaha
38:09 its been so long since ive seen this movie but rita skeeter going 😱 after he says barty crouch is so iconic
i also love how long he waited to give the "jr" reveal like he 100% did that for the drama
“you kiss your mother with those anti- wolfstar lips?” 😭