What happens if you convince Orpheus to becomes a Mind Flayer | Baldur's Gate 3
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- Gather your party and return to the Forgotten Realms in a tale of fellowship and betrayal, sacrifice and survival, and the lure of absolute power.
Mysterious abilities are awakening inside you, drawn from a mind flayer parasite planted in your brain. Resist, and turn darkness against itself. Or embrace corruption, and become ultimate evil.
From the creators of Divinity: Original Sin 2 comes a next-generation RPG, set in the world of Dungeons & Dragons.
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I love how everyone has end-game super badass armor and weapons equipped and Gale just stands there in peasant clothes 😂
Gale’s bald ass head could not be ignored
Gale the best
Hey he has a hoodie and a stick, lol. He offered sacrifice himself twice to save all, Gale is the best, and he steals my equipment to feed the orb too 😅
The way Orpheus immediately accepts that he had to become the Illithid and the delivery on “Just as I was free” is so genuinely sad to me
Yep that got me too, I ended up sacrificing myself to become ilithid so Orpheus could save his people, I also do it for Laezel, who I wasn’t even romancing but still loved very much
Seems almost cruel to convince him to live it out.
He deserves it in all honesty. His innate need for cruelty and wanting to kill you without you having a chance to save yourself.. he needs that humbling experience.
Orpheus is Such a Gigachad gave himself up so none of my characters had to go mindflayer. The emperor was so quick to turn heel, what a bastard.
Ya that is kind of who the Emperor is once you learn his true origin story when you find the body of the dead dragon under Baldur's Gate.
@orrthehunter where is that place? I saw a video on that scene but I had no Idea where that was.
@@thefraser5131 it is a side quest to look into finding a body of a dead dragon under Baldur's Gate. There are videos about how to get there already on youtube.
@@thefraser5131 You have to save Wylls father from the underwater prison (even if Mizora claims he definitely dies, you can still save him). In camp, he tells you the story of Wyrm under Baldurs gate, gives you book on how to find him. He is under wyrms prison. Spoiler >
The wyrm used to be dragonborn and travelled with emperor back in the days, Emperor is revealed to be Balduran, creator of city. He killed the wyrm because wyrm wanted to kill Balduran for becoming Mind Flayer. At the end, you get legendary 2h sword and Baludarns legendary helmet.
@petrskalak5070 I already found the place using UA-cam, but I didn't see Wylls father in the Underwater prison at all, Mizora told me she killed him and I didn't see him there so I assumed he was dead. Not like it mattered since I got the Glitch where the NPC's refuse to move. I was able to at least save 2 prisoner's because of the ability the mind flayer you can save has (he can teleport himself and 1 npc to the sub once per turn).
They called him prince. But he was a king.
If I understood correctly he's called prince because "Mother gith" is queen. And vlaakith all 150ish of them were and are considered reincarnation of "mother gith"
Is it just me or Orpheus somehow looks like Zerthimon leader of Githzerai. My theory is that Orpheus is both the son of Gith and Zerthimon. If not how did he possess the same ability? In the beginning of Gith revolt there were only two people in their entire race that possess the ability to disrupt hive mind.
Dare la corona a Raphael
i love Voss's reaction. hes pissed, literally about to run you through with his sword, and then the mindflayer speaks and hes like WHAAAT?! just cant beleive it. the Voice acting is so good.
Imagine if you have a favorite politician or at least a celebrity that you Are a fan of. There is an alien race that has tried to subjugate your people for ages. Then you see one of them talking and trying to convince you that it is your leader, the icon that you admire. But it has the face of that alien enemy.
I only met orpheus for 1 minute but the guy was willing to so this , Orpheus > emperor
9:39 And just when you thought the Netherbrain was defeated, your controller batteries run out, leaving you defenceless. It was one step ahead all along.
In my first attempt my game crashed halfway through the battle, I guess the netherbrain really didnt want to lose
"please give me my freedom from this form"
Persuaded
"ok i can still live"
😂😂😂 I know dialog is funny in this game. They’ll go on an impassioned speech about their unbreakable resolve. Then with a speech check they’re just like “oh never mind. You right”. Makes me laugh every time.
@@tytar1037 Such is the nature of DnD, rolled a nat 1 and you lose half your hp from trying to drink a beer, rolled a nat 20 and you could fool the smartest NPC with the dumbest lie.
@@None38389 that’s why I love it! Never gets old.
@@None38389 I think my favourite pass/fail is with the spiders under the goblin camp. If you pass the check to persuade them you are their queen incarnate then the spiders help fight the goblins with you. But if you fail the persuasion then Lolth herself gets mad at you for sucking at impersonating her.
Going after Vlaakith could be an entire ass dlc
They would need to level up first. Only at lvl 16 and up adventurers can resist the Wish spell which Vlaakith uses.
I would certainly like an expansion that raises the stakes further, allowing us to reach deity levels of power and oppose false deities, but it'd be a tricky undertaking for Larian, since they would be forced to canonize certain ending since many of them don't leave much room for continuation.
@@lehaua8922 I mean there's so many fun and creative ways they could go about avoiding a wish spell, but I do agree on wanting higher levels. As far as hitting deity level there would be of course lore/canon, gameplay mechanics, the question of is the PC able to power up clerics, and why they needed to become a deity anyway (maybe so we can smack around the dead three in the divine flesh)
That being said sooooo many FR gods were mortal and ascended, including Mystra who's arguably the most directly impactful god, and Vlaakith that's whatever a quasi-diety-lich... And the dead three lol. If they did it very very right and we accepted some limitations for the sake of a running game it would be beautifully received and we have canon god Tav
I find it funny lae zel did not sacrifice herself….
I love how the animation in these cutscenes is so detailed and smooth; you can actually see everything playing out across their expressions, from annoyance to grief to the joy Karlach feels when she sees the owlbear cub.
i wouldnt call it convincing....i just told him i didn't want to become a mindflayer and he was like...guess i will do it
he didn't even need any "convincing", I feel sorry that you have to sacrifice anyone at all
In my play through not only the Emperor helped me defeat the brain, he also wished me good luck and told me he'll miss me.
Wait a moment, how on earth is this even meant to happen anyway? Orpheus isn't infected with a tadpole, and you never see him get tadpoled.
He does have a tadpole. The emperor put it there, that’s how he was able to “borrow” Orpheus’ special resistance power for himself, you, and your party.
Good point, I wonder too.
You might not see him getting infected, but the Emperor might've tadpoled him while Orpheus was in chains and defenceless.
@aznoh2344 possibly, but consider:
1. Your tadpole never acknowledges him tadpoled, and it always does.
2. Is he aware during his imprisonment? He reads our mind with gith psionics to catch up story wise.
@@vyrdera I mean since he can silence the elder brain itself, it wouldnt be a problem for him to mute his tadpole and read our mind at the same time.
I hope they give us an update that would allow us to call Omeluum for help here if we save him earlier.
for me, this is the "Good Ending" orpheus becomes the mind flayer a second time and inspires the rest of his people to rise up for a rebellion, rather than make karlach a mind flayer or my PC a mind flayer, cause it doesn't make sense if i had to personalize my PC to my liking only to be turned to mind flayer.
and the karlach blows up xD
@@eastbow6053or make Wyll blade of avernus and make him protect karlach so she can go back to avernus and live
Not in every ending has to be perfect. Like the runaway Commander her place is in hells and her purpose is to slaughter demons.
@@serronserron1320 And she'd be perfectly capable of that as a mind flayer.
The faceless PC turning into a mindflayer and saving everyone sounds like the canon ending to me, everyone else is their own character with a history, but Tav isn't
On my first playthrough I became illithid myself because the gith made it seem like Orpheus alive was the only way to defeat vlakith, but now I see that it’s not true so my second playthrough I am definitely letting him do the job so I can stay cute and married to wyll.
This is the best ending of the game imo. I didn't expect Orpheus to be such gigachad and smart. It was good intuition and feeling to not fully trust emperor and try to free Orpheus to see how he really is. I did the harder way and didn't get the contract then found how to get to house of hope and stolen that hammer Raphael mentioned about. It was a time when I was thinking who I really want to trust because somehow u can feel emotional for emperor of all journey you had with him and that he basically told you everything about you. I wanted to check Orpheus first and I didn't regret. I checked later and emperor kind of betray you in some way, he want to only protect himself, he is free to you deciding of killing or taking control, but you can crealy see that he want to control the nerherbrain the most. He is more evil than neutral for sure.
Orpheus as first feels like risky option because if you want to free him, then you need to betray emperor that means someone need to transform to illithid and orpheus might be angry and want to attsck you.
It turning much different especially when u have Laezel in team, Orpheus offering he can do it for his people and turning being really good person was amazing. The afterfight dialogues were awesome too, Lae'zel gone to fight Vlakid and if u convince illithid Orpheus to go with her, it feels like its instant success since what powers he have. He for sure later on will give Laezel to be queen and sacrifice himself because he can't live as illithid.
Emperor while killing netherbrain, you can get the ending when he is alone at the street and people killing him lol.
Sure both endings are good because somehow emperor "trust" you, but his ending is more bittersweet than happy, while Orpheus ending is amazing, especially with DC roll without killing him.
There is also option to turn Karlach into mind flayer and her engine will get fixed, Orpheus will accompany Laezel to destroy Vlakith, but I prefer the Wyll turning Blade of Averus and Karlach go with him here or romance her and accompany her yourself.
Alternate title: Prince Orpheus has his glowup
i was wondering why Lae Zel is not eager to turn into Illithid for his prince, it's so weird.
My wondering is why the emperor need to eat Orpheus brain to have enough power to use the stone, but when I transform to new born mind flayer I can use it immediately? I think he just makes an excuse to absorb Orpheus's power, the more I learn about him, the creepier he is
he eat's orpheus's brain for the ability to disrupt the absolute's voice. Not to have enough power to use the stones.@@Nhatnguyen-kd6kc
@@Nhatnguyen-kd6kc When I turned into a mind flayer I was instructed to eat Orpheuses brain. I guess added it.
@@Nhatnguyen-kd6kc their was a compelling video I watched that argues the Emperor isn’t evil but true neutral. He never does anything out of malice just survival and he’s made that clear the entire time we’ve known him, even when he was disguised. It’s the one thing he never hid, he wants to live and will survive at any cost. If he was evil all that power he gained he could simply control the brain and conquer everything. But he doesn’t, he just wants to be left alone in peace. He doesn’t want Orpheus free for many reasons least of which is that Orpheus would likely want him dead rather than help him. He could have done so much worse to you but didn’t. He’s no hero but he never had the intention to be a hero, he didn’t want to be a villain either.
Laezel can't risk it cause she's the overpowered one
Did Astarion become Vampire Ascendant in this run? I didn't see him burn up from the sun.
Nah he wasn't. He burnt up still I just cut it out cause it was all repeat scenes irrelevant to the choice
Does someone disapproves you asking Orpheus to turn? I don't want to turn any of my babies and the Emperor is a gonner for me...
same here, hard choice
no disapprovings, here.
necromancy wizard seems to have no special option, as far as i have looked
Literally Space Jesus
Damn Voss. If you didn't cause Orpheus to be captured. None of your war becomes a thing. Damn Orpheus. For millennial none of your honor guard freed you. How do you think they can? Damn you.
To be fair, if they'd pulled it off when we saw them, they would have been in the perfect position to bargain for the Orphic Hammer from Raphael, since they actually would have had what he wanted then.
Does this happen if you get the Hammer? I didn't have it and I never got the option but now I have it
What happened to the emperor in this version of events? Is he sided with the Netherbrain or with you?
Man... Now i regret turning Karlach illithid... This dude seems much more willing and accepting. Im a monster.
Karlach is the only one that can gain something from transformation. She's the best choice
How does this affect lazels romance?
He says it 3 times to make sure noone else will do it :P
Once you've finished the campaign, is the game over or can you still do the side missions?
Over
You have to do all the side missions before the big final boss fight (the netherbrain fight) as after this battle the only other thing is Withers end scene party.
Is ospheus infected or he used magic to turn into mind flayer?
have you figured out how to finish the Thay book?
You have to find a book called The Tharciate Codex. You can't get this until act 3 - you can google the location if need be. :)
Theres a Undead Mummy in Lower Baldurs Gate, at the south of the map in a Mansion. You can talk to him about the Necromancy of Thay if you have passed all the Wisdom checks and gotten the Buff from it. Then He'll tell you to get another Book then you can conclude the mission from there.
Ignore everything other guy said, just go do gales quest in sorcerous sundries and then read the book again after reading the final book in the basement. You've now fi ished necromancy of thay
Just go to wizard tower and break into the sorcerers vault. There, you will have a script on how to unlock the Thay book. Once you open it, you get busted spell to summon 6 ghouls who can paralyze targets. Really easy from that point onwards.
How did Shadowheart do 4 spells in one action?
There's another option. why didn't lae'zel want to become a mind flayer to spare the prince so he could save their people?
Lol - I had no idea this was even possible. :D
How did you get shadowheart to change her hair white? I made her spare the nightsong but it’s still black when I get to this cutscene
U had to have removed the shadow curse
Edit: I'm wrong btw, you just have to save the night song and get shadow heart to switch goddess, MB
@@fedbans5445a big nope. She changes her hair white regardless whether you dealt with shadow curse. The trigger seems to instead be nightsong telling shadowheart about her past at camp and having long rest afterwards.
You need to convert her to Serlune, then she will change her hairstyle and ask you about how is her new look.
@@fedbans5445 No
You have to save night song and yurn against sharr then she will be free and will turn her hair into white cause she belives in selune now..
How in the h.. to you have 246 hp? I'm a barbarian with max constitution and I'm not even close to that. Is it related to difficulty?
the same way he has multiple 6th level spells in 1 turn. cheat mods.
Story mode give 100% more HP if I'm not wrong.
Edit: after patch 1, before it would give 50% more
Necklace of greater health it raises constitution to 23 it can be stolen from the House of Hope
What armour is Shadowheart wearing?
Wavemother's robe
So in other words, we upgraded
Did he have a tadpole tho?
I keep trying to look up qhether or not the part becomes mind flayers if Orpheus becomes one but all I find is the same vague bit of infor 😅 Can we all live happily ever after if we convince Orpheus to take one for the team? 👀
Why does Gale look like he’s undergoing chemo 😢
Wait.. He was tadpoled at some point?
So wait was Orpheus infected already when he was imprisoned?
I personally prefer to this ending. The whole goal of this game was to rid yoursef of becoming Illithid.
I wish laezel sacrifices herself being ghaik and die gracefully for his prince
No Illithid dong?
is there anyway I can make other companion to be a mindflayer? I'd love to choose gale or wyll as mindflayers since I never use them
Why can he just turn into a mind flayer like that?
emperor probably put a parasite there? never got disclosed.
how did he become mindflayer without tadpole?
Used his powers and planted one in his brain
I thought that was weird. Interestingly if you take the tapole from the emperor and you dont use it immediately, and then betray the emperor, the scene involving the transformation of orpheus plays out that you give orpheus the same tadpole you put away
Rolled a nat 20
He is just that powerful :)
Reminder that Orpheus DOES NOT have a tadpole so this just happened to move the plot LMAO
This ending is so rushed its actually unbelievable
WAIT WHAT
@@joeysalazar98
YEA
@@kimtiendat6278 that makes no sense chief
@@crobdog Yeah, this entire scene doesn't seem to make sense. How is Orpheus even able to stay himself after the transformation? Ceremorphosis isn't like druid shapeshifting, it is basically... death. "You have ceased to exist, and a mind flayer is born." And even assuming the newly formed mind flayer can somehow access Orpheus' memories, it is still a completely different entity.
He isn’t has the tadpole, I thought the Emperor give it to him 🤨
how do you dress shadowhearth like this??
Easy, just buy every single piece of clothing you meet in game. With Astarions pickpocket, it is easy to have 15k gold minimum by the end of the game, also, you can pick up lots of keys from the Bank vaults throughout the city where many riches are
There's a mission at the docs in the city, there will be a ceremony, proceed with the quest and they'll ask you to avenge their fallen mermaids, go to the Steel Watch foundry and proceed that mission as well you'll eventually meet the murderer of the mermaid, make a deal don't kill, he'll take you to the Iron Throne, when you get back, the mermaids' people will be waiting then let the mermaids take the murderer they'll award you with the outfit
@@petrskalak5070 It's merely a protection fee. if it weren't for your Mary band they would all be livestock or squid people slaves
that was funny lmao@@petrskalak5070
This is the best ending. His entire race is fucked up and him winning the war against vlakit would unleash a greater evil upon the stars.
Spoiler!
I think the only one who should turn into a mindflayer without hesitation should be the dark urge. In the end this entire thing is their fault. But that's just my opinion.
Orpheus is a hypocrite. He was infected all along and he was hiding it. Thats why it didnt take effort to make him turn. Through the whole game all the githyanki are portrayed as cold warmongerers and the connection with them is pure necessity. If Vlaakith stays in power, literally nothing changes. If Orpheus takes power, whats to guarantee he wont be a nuisance in the future? There's no positive relationship with the githyanki. So its very hard to sympathize with them.
Orpheus dying is pretty dumb as well. Orpheus isnt a good guy by any means. He's a cold calculating githyanki with allot at stake. He would have had Lae'zel or some other loyalist become a mindflayer. And thing is, if you turn mindflayer you technically die. Withers said mindflayers have no soul. And when the main character makes the suggestion to Orpheus, there's an option to revoke the suggestion with the commentary "Keep your soul". Its like becoming a vampire. And when you become a mindflayer, not only does the mindflayer look like the wimpiest mindflayer ever; it looks and behave like nothing your character was. The only thing left is the voice and memories. And that goes away.
It doesnt matter if Lae'zel gets to to die serving Orpheus or die rebelling against Vlaakith, she will still be the same old Lae'zel. I say, let the githyanki hold that L and move on to the next chapter tadpole free.
just play as tav as a gith, you will understand it better
It was more than likely Balduran who infected him. During Act 3 private dialogue with Balduran, you can drop the pleasantries and insult him for being a mindflayer. Balduran will drop the act and call you an inferior thrall he dominates. And that you dont have a choice but to do what he says because he is superior. Orpheus becoming a mindflayer wasnt a shapechanging spell, it was an infection while subjugated by Balduran. @@__Infinity_Hearts__
I’m pretty sure he was tadpoled by the emperor so he can control him. Idk why you say he’d rather have one of his followers do it when HE LITERALLY does it himself lmao. He also seemed to really care about you killing his honor guard and was willing to work with you despite doing everything the elder brain and emperor railroaded you into doing.
Also since his honor guard were mostly monks I’m guessing he has some connection to the githzerai so it’s likely he will unite both githyanki and githzerai against vlaakith
If you watch the dialogue between Orpheus and Voss while he is and isnt a mindflayer between both scenes you will see the contrast in both Orpheu's confidence and Voss's confidence. If he isnt a mindflayer he obviously has more influence on the Githyanki loyalist and the Vlaakith supporters. As mindflayer that drastically dilutes his influence and Voss has to cover up he was a mindflayer when he defeated the Elder Brain.
It should really go without saying, but I will explicitly state Lae'zel or any loyalist would give their life for Orpheus without a thought. Any of them could have chosen to turn mindlflayer. With so much at stake and with the customary coldness of the githyanki, Orpheus would have actually sacrificed one of his followers to more effectively take down Vlaakith himself. Imagine that, Orpheus with his unique powers rally his people against Vlaakith. Versus no super-powered Orpheus and just Voss or Lae'zel leading the fight. Obviously the intelligent option would have been Orpheus sacrificing a peon to give his plans the best chance possible. @@JordanJumpin
I did it
Easy difficulty 😂
Sorry but only canon ending is Tav becoming illithid to me.
Thank you. Before playing this part, I had to know if my best buddy Lae'zel could go fight for the githyanki and hatch that egg without me turning into a mind-flayer.
We need a dlc to get dragons and kill vlaakith