Imagine being Bhaal, making your new favorite child your chosen, and then they directly ruin your plans and then kill themselves so you can't puppet them in the mortal plain. This is why we disrespect the Dead Three, everyone
And then withers shows up, shames them and calls out how stupid their plan was and basically dismisses all 3 of them as no longer a threat or worth paying attention to. As far as I'm concerned they are now truly the dead 3 because I'd give up on life after that century plus beat down from my own kids and the OG Death god
I like that bit about "you've butchered so many in the name of your father, but this one you stole from him. It's only for you." This act is basically the absolute exercise of will.
@@QuestionableObject Ah wait, never mind my information was outdated. They previously stated they didn't believe in selling DLC or shipping an incomplete game with BG3, but have since changed their minds on that, wanting to do more. So there is hope.
@@MiagolioMaxwell I feel like that might've been more on the topic of like "day one DLC". It would be very shocking if they had 0 intention on releasing an epic level expansion since that's pretty common in D&D games and all the other BG games did it.
I love how Withers/Jergal genuinely didn't expect to see Tav/Durge's soul in the Fugue Plane, given the Illithid thing. To see something new and interesting after all these millenia? Ohoho, now THIS is fun.
It makes sense and with all things changing, why Jergal would return- Jergal left and gave up his dominion because he was tired and felt there was nothing new, but now? Something changed BEYOND death. Even death is now not immutable- Why would the Lord of Death not seek to return?
Ignoring the honor (because that's certain like you said), but what is the significance? He's not one of the mortals-turned-gods; he's older than old and mightier than might. What does it mean when what is essentially a force of nature singles out a mortal and calls them "friend"?
This is interesting because normally Illithid souls are most likely the tadpoles and not the hosts. But it seems like Jergal is implying that Tav's soul stayed intact during the transformation somehow as he recognizes Tav for who he is. Edit: I know this is Durge but the ending changes little whether it's Tav or Durge. They both get this. That's my one gripe with the whole Tav/Durge thing is the only difference between them is Durge has a backstory and fits more into the game while Tav is a random.
@@AikoSeayea it could be something unique with Tav’s transformation in some conditions like -Orpheus able to preserve their soul -If you side with the emperor the Astral tadpole has some special property -Plain ol’ protagonist plot armor
I love Withers. Jergal seems to be someone who is tired of the old same shit never changing. And when he finds something that breaks the mold of previous laws of nature, he is... delighted. I think he out of most old gods desire change the most. And I do believe he does things to spite Ao, more than any other god dares to. Who knows, maybe BG3 interpretation of the world might be a cure for the stagnancy that has taken over forgotten realms and sword coast. It will be canon in one way or another after all.
Jergal was once the God of death, tiranny and murder, and he was probably the strongest God. He literally gift his portfolio to Bhaal, Bane and Myrkul after a game of scissors, paper and rock because he was bored of being this powerful
@@pierluigiruotolo6548 He also was and is the God of Doing All The Paperwork so I think maybe that had a lot to do with it. The Dead 3 ran off with the powers and then didn't do any of the admin work while Jergal took a vacation and now he has to spend the rest of forever cleaning up their messes. Like, who heard of a True Evil entity not doing paperwork?? Bullocks
@@Kat-xy7fm Jergal is like the old dude that needs a break, left the key with three people (off the street) whom he thought would be more responsible, only to be very disappointed and more than a little miff when he realised that these three are not the heroes but the stooges.
1:45-2:19 You can hear a whole chorus of positive emotions behind his reserved yet eloquent words… Surprise, joy, curiosity, relief… All because that such a miracle has happened at all, and doubly so that it has for a close friend of his.
Thanks for telling me that I killed myself for nothing Withers. This is exacly why I choose to die and here your saying that I was still myself despite becoming illithid
Yes, although maybe because you killed yourself before your soul finished "ebbing away." And maybe that's why he said you were "flickering." You could have caught it just in time?
You gotta love Withers. He's basically like an old RPG player who retcons deaths he doesn't like. XD But it would be pretty cool if this was the canon ending. The ultimate sacrifice twice over, defying death and gods and demons alike, defying the nature of a flayer, and becoming more in the grand fabric of fate along side a man so bemused by your rebellious (if suicidal) nature.
He's the OG god of Death, basically the Grim Reaper. The other Three took over because he stopped caring about his job I think lol, still extremely powerful because I think he has all the power he had as a God
@@rockythesnailracechampion7144 Also, Withers is delightfully petty. If you show up in the epilogue and attack your former companions, he gets upset at you for ruining his party and he therefore banishes you to the shadow realms. It makes sense he does things such as meddling in mortal affairs out of spite as much as he is able to.
There use to be a distinction between the "spirit" and the "soul" in older d&d lore and idk if the writers at larian were aware. Ironically the whole mind flayers losing their soul would imply the spirit remains since that tends to house your memory and lifeforce, wheras the soul is a combination of your personality, identity and destiny from an astral/divine sense. I really wish wotc or the greater realms cannon would reincorporate that lore (beyond some implications with some things in ravenloft because of curse of strahd) because it'd be so on point for explaining this.
My guess is that the preservation of the soul has something to do with using the astral tadpole to transform, as well as the soul being particularly powerful.
A mortal soul is no greater or stronger than the other, no matter whose it is. They all carry the same value on the cosmological scale in this setting.
@@Freekymoho dude is bullshitting. souls indeed change between size or power. and it depends on their level. not just class level either, but their racial levels and everything. my source; most of the dnd books that explain creation of outsiders like fiend folio. stronger outsiders, say like glabrezu... or balor... or planetar angels, made by multiple souls fusing together... OR very rarely one single very powerful mortal turning into it by own. its explained, the fusing souls level must be equal or greater then the outsider they are fusing into. so... a level 20 adventurer can become a balor by itself. but otherwise, 20 seperate level 1 commoner (classic citizen types) souls must merge to become one.
But the Dark Urge isn't mortal in the strictest sense of the word. Like Gorion's Ward they are a fragment of Bhaal's divine essence. So it might be that the Bhaalspawn's soul is simply too enduring for the transformation to nullify.
@@Mister-Thirteentechnically all bhaals children would be in that weird category of quasi divine. Not a demigod but in that ill defined just under with saints and other divine weirdness. 😅
If True Resurrection were cast on the squiddified Tav, or perhaps a piece of Tav that never got squiddified, would Tav come back un-squiddified? After all, the tadpole is not a natural part of Tav - but it does alter Tav at a genetic level (I think?).
I believe so. True Resurrection only needs a piece of the original person and they’ll be returned fully. If you also wear the Ring of Mind Shielding that gets given to you by Omeluum, your soul will be stored into that upon transformation. But it won’t do much sitting in there. Clone and Reincarnation would also work.
@@ThisIsAHandleOrSomething True Resurrection only needs the person's name to be said... and a diamond worth 25,000 gold. Resurrection requires a body part, though.
Yes. Despite what the game says, ceremorphosis doesn't destroy the original soul. It still goes on to the outer planes to the afterlives. If one uses True Resurrection, Wish, or Miracle and focuses on the person before ceremorphosis, and the soul is willing to return, the deceased can return.
This is the origin story of one of my player characters. An Ullitharid looking to overthrow its Elder Brain leader contacted a Hag to look into the Elder Brain's past self, then performed a cursed Ritual to resurrect the Elder Brain's former self in the hopes that the Elder Brain would cease to exist, it did not work, and now the Elder Brain and who they were in life exist at the same time.
Withers really is a true friend to the players always greeting us in the hero endings as a friend even if durge decides to let himself fall to madness he just shows up at the prison cell and says “rest well my friend” and he’s just genuinely happy when we go down the good path and always comforts us at the end of our journeys
Tried this ending and for some reason my romanced Karlach just stood silently in the background, not saying a word when I pulled the knife out. All I got was a "what are you doing?!" from Shadowheart. The scene where Karlach's ending malfunctions then proceeded to play and she just evaporated without even mentioning my character, and without Wyll suggesting she return to Avernus. It was a strange series of events.
Same thing happened to me, but my sweetheart Shadowheart stood silently by while Gale shouted out for me to stop. I felt a lot closer to Gale after that.
I think the companion shouting "stop!" is chosen randomly. Similarly to how multiple characters can comment on Astarion fleeing from the Sun, but only one is shown at a time.
This is by far the most epic journey storyline for the main PC. Born of evil blood, denies it > gets killed by bhaal > ressurected by withers to be a hero > sacrifices himself again for the best of the world by becoming Illithid > kills himself for being illithid > gets ressurected into some kind of God angel being for the god of death. Epic.
"Awesome!... So does that mean i can meet uncle Kelemvor?" "... He's busy right now..." "... Is there a mod-..." "-yes I'm sure the fugue plane mod is being worked on."
I know Withers can more than likely snap his fingers and fix us with this ending because he's heavily implied to be Jergal but anyone else still mad at Elminster for not even offering to help? Dude literally hangs around the camp come act 3 but I can't ask the Wizard Supreme of the Forgotten Realms for a wish spell
@@kingofgrim4761 he even melts into a puddle of water when you kill him, which is in line with the 5e simulacrum spell creating a copy of someone out of ice. the elminster you see in game is a simulacrum spell cast by a really powerful wizard (so, elminster himself probably) due to the simulacrum being unrecognizable from him and being really powerful. the simulacrum would also be significantly weaker than himself. which also means that elminster controlled his icy simulacrum to eat your cheese when you invite him to camp. maybe he did it just so that gale would think he is actually there personally on behalf of mystra since yknow it would be nice to tell someone to kill themselves in person at least, and gale would get suspicious if he didn't lunge at your cheese. also, in 5e, casting wish to do anything except duplicate lower level spells has a 33% chance of leaving you unable to ever cast wish again, which is funny if you think about vlaakith getting so mad when you disrespect her that she'd risk never being able to wish again just to do a show of power in front of someone that they're killing anyway. it's also kinda sad that elminster would rather sacrifice gale than risk himself losing the ability to wish. or maybe mystra just doesn't want him to because she's mad at gale. it's also entirely possible that mystra herself cast the simulacrum of elminster in order to deliver the message to gale from a friendly face thinking he might be less likely to agree if she came to him in person, and made him eat your cheese since that's what she thinks elminster would do. there's nothing in the game that would indicate elminster's simulacrum to be created by elminster himself, and perhaps he'd be honest and say that it is a simulacrum if it was himself speaking through it.
The issue with casting Wish on the Orb is that it directly *absorbs* magic. That's why Gale stops needing to eat enchanted artifacts - because Mystra starts feeding it herself. I'd imagine that if the Orb is capable of eating raw magic, it's likely capable of eating a Wish spell's effects too.
Thank you for sharing this. I haven’t explored this path in the game and probably never will. But it’s enlightening to see that despite all that’s been said and “known,” the choices the main character makes strongly influence what the reality is in the end. I often think of the Emperor in this light. Withers also recognized who he really was and, at least partially, is. The path that shows him snapping and dropping any pretense when pressed in the main character’s dream visits I think is just one possible path for his reality. I think people exploring this path believe this is what is “really” going on. However, the game shows us that the choices we make can significantly impact who other characters turn out to be. Astarian is probably the best example of this. A non-ascended version is grateful for your intervention, after the fact. And if the relationship is nurtured (romantic or not), the being he turns out to be by the time of the reunion is the polar opposite of the ascended version. In the same way, I think “playing along” with the Emperor results in him really being an illithid wholly bent on obtaining his freedom. That’s not to say he doesn’t generally operate as a morality free zone. Astarian’s example, amongst others, has convinced me, that not even the Emperor’s character is written in stone.
I love how Withers/Jergal is genuinely excited that something he didn't expect or believe was possible has just happened. The guy is older then life itself (being the "End Of All Things" not just living things) and yet he still enjoys seeing things that surprise him and that he never expected. Wholesome Death God moment. Well, former Death God. On his retirement trip across the multiverse now.
I am convinced some of the group call him Granpappy. Karlach learns about her parents living a restful live in what waits beyond, shadowheart learns that her family is under Selune's protection and safe
“Death itself has many byways, and thou might yet have a new and different role to play.” Translation: “That was cute but we have DLC forthcoming. Take your get-out-jail-free card. Do not return to Start.”
Larian cancelled the DLC, they said they'll move back to some other RPG so most likely Divinity 3. Well,whatever they cook, if they crowdfund it I'll drop a penny.
@@mareczek00713 "Cancelled", they already said pre release that they don't really do DLC, and their previous games didn't have any besides definitive editions...
@@pinnacleevolution1634 "Don't really do" is not "they do not", there were discussions hinted at during interviews. Again, it's their decision and game is awesome as it is now, but a bit of shame those characters likely won't return.
@@mareczek00713 What dramabait youtuber gave you this opinion? Larian was never ambiguous about its DLC policy here. They specifically and explicitly noted, very early on, that they were *considering* making DLC but that it was highly unlikely for two principle reasons: 1. Difficulty in balancing past the 12th level in DnD 5E. I can assure you that in tabletop, campaigns are notorious for ripping apart at the seams when a campaign runs past 12th level. A video game that has a philosophy of faithfully recreating fifth-edition DND would have a lot of trouble not just *balancing* but also even simply *incorporating* the implications of many seventh+ level spells. Including a little spell called Wish. 2. It is literally something they don't ever do. Larian has always preferred to make a finished game, maintain it for a few years, then move on to the next. They're just old school like that. The popularity of BG3 did prompt reason to *discuss* shifting direction in policy, but that doesn't indicate an actual shift in policy.
I'm glad to see there's a means by which Orpheus and Lae'zel can stand together against Vlaakith. Probably going to take this ending should I do a Durge ending. Shame you won't be there for the epilogue...
Interesting, maybe the "soul ebbing away" was flavour, maybe it's simpler than that and retaining your soul is just a question of willpower / being free from mind control. (Omeluun being an individual due to his arcane affinity, Balduran due to his willpower and Karlach due to being a good person who merely wished to live and only slay demons and devils along with those who serve them.) Nothing is absolute in DnD anyway, bypassing a tadpole's effect is rather easy in a campaign (Killing your companion for days until the body decays with the tadpole then casting true rez, true polymorphing yourself into a tree then have a companion do it the opposite way. Even having your brain destroyed and using one of the healing spell able to reform it) If you get to a point where you can use wish just use it to ask "I want my soul to override the tadpole" thus becoming the tadpole yourself and consuming your own brain to transform, etc. It seems BG3 simply goes the "willpower" route which is nice knowing that only Tav is mentionned to feel their soul "ebbing away". But Tav is your character meaning having willpower or not is your choice to make, not the reality of the game's world. And it is reflected by the choices given to you in the ending (Living and letting yourself be consumed by your mindflayer's nature. Retaining your true self and continue to live, locking yourself away or destroying yourself)
Lol we had to perform brain surgery to get it done, so mostly the “destroy brain and reform it” approach you mentioned but with plenty of skill challenges. Idk if we had 9th level spells yet.
Either that or true res is gonna occur, which I’d prefer but would kinda neg the importance of the choice to become illithid to keep Orpheus alive as a rebel. Oh well, idc so long as I keep shadowbae and our house full of animals
@@destherThat's the big takeaway imo, only reason you get to go to the Fugue Plane is that you died before your last remnants of self were dissolved. If you kept going you would no longer be you
Karlach is implied to be gone. I forget the term but theirs a quirk of some Mind Flayers that when the turn they retain some part of their host, memories, habits, small quirks. They’re treated like freaks by other Ilithid because they failed to fully consume them. When you encounter “karlach” her emotions are almost gone, she has only the barest memories of what she liked before she turned. She’s unlike your or the Emperor who managed to overpower the Tadpole entirely even after transforming. It’s not like a vampire where it’s functionally the same person, for Mind Flayers it’s the Tadpole piloting the body and your mind was consumed. So for The Emperor to not just remember his life but to remain in complete control just like you a miracle only Withers can truly appreciate.
This is how my first playthrough went, but after experimenting with mods for a bit my save got deleted. thanks for posting, i wouldn't be able to see the epilogue otherwise.
so Illithids *sometimes* have souls... I wonder how rare of an occurrence that is if even withers is surprised to see it happen... I know ceremorphs have souls because they are still themselves and still think and act the way they normally would... and "the emperor" claims to have his original memories suggesting his soul wasn't completely destroyed by the process... imagine there are actually thousands of Illithids with souls it's just that Withers somehow missed them or he was bullshitting to make it so we don't feel bad about killing them
Well, Tav's/Durge's ceremorphosis is incredibly unique. It is likely thag nothing exactly like it has ever happened. The transformation was voluntary and shielded by the power of orpheus, can't imagine that happens much.
Each prelude seem to show there is more coming to the Baldur's Gate serie. I start to think that Larian seem to have get their hand with a new contract for the serie.
I love how happy he looks when he says 'How delightful!' lol. Probably topped by nothing but the moment when Durge lets Bhaal 'kill' themself in defiance
@@leonardorossi998no, his personality was not intact. Before he was the heroic and courageous baldurian, then he became the deceitful and insidious emperor. As soon as he turned he murdered and lobotomized his closest friends without a second thought
@@burgertime6372 What I mean was that his behavior was somewhat emotional for a mind flayer. Even compared to special ones, like Omeluum for example, or even your companions turning into Mind Flayers. Now, it might be a suspicion, but could it be that Balduran wasn't that great of a person in life as well? After all, most of his existence seems to be shrouded in legend. And we don't know who built Grimrock exactly and how much it was in line with Balduran's actual personality.
@@leonardorossi998 extremely unlikely. Balduran was a very close friend to a bronze dragon. A type of dragon that is naturally lawful good and “possess a strong sense of justice and do not tolerate any form of cruelty”.
@@burgertime6372 Well, you can be a prick without being cruel. Just so we are clear: I don't think The Emperor is necessarily evil. He doesn't seem to be ready to do everything for his own gain though. Still, he can be not evil and still be manipulative and self serving. Aka a prick. :P I mean, other Illithid will be cold and calculating, sure. But they won't try to seduce you, or declare themselves your knight in shining armor.
Nah, he is too lazy. Jaheira/Halsin are only one level away from being able to cast "Reincarnate", though, and since your soul is still yours, it'll totally work. Might get a body of a different race/sex than originally, but hey, at least won't be limited to brain diet! Though I love how Shadowheart tells us that we gained weight and you can reply that giiiirl, brains are very lean, all keto, so stop your BS.
Illithid typically have no soul after becoming one. They have... something else. Tied to the primordial energies of chaos. Something that should not have meaning to a divinity of this realm. But Withers finds it fascinating that Tav as they are DOES have something he can grasp, albeit, something unfamiliar to them. Meaning his apocryphal soul has perhaps been changed but has not been extinguished due to the unique process with which they became Illithid?
@@proudlarry8225 Almost all deities live in planes different from their flock. Ilsensine's realm, the Caverns of Thought, is in the Outlands (along with the Marketplace Eternal, Waukeen's domain), and Maanzecorian's domain, Rictus, is in Gehenna (the same plane as Auril, Bhaal and Velsharoon). They're not the only ones, for the record. The Blood Queen of the aboleths lives in Minauros, Baator, and the Great Mother and Gzemnid of the beholders dell in the Abyss and the Outlands respectively.
@@LordMortaniusOf course, but most of them in this setting were originally from the material plane and ascended. Fiends notwithstanding... like I myself highly doubt Asmodeus was ever not a devil so I can't claim all of them are ascendant. It's just that the plane of Chaos is something the current pantheon all kinda hate, even the gods who are chaotic in nature don't like that place! It's not the same as being chaotic, being FROM chaos.
@@proudlarry8225 It's heavily unlikely that Ilsensine was a mortal (for that matter, illithids are natives to the Material Plane; they originated from the future and went back in time). The Great Mother and Gzemnid were definitely not mortals. The Blood Queen, however, is from the Far Realm.
It's kinda weird that they say Illithid don't have souls when they have a god and a plane for said god where they go after they die. That kinda requires a soul.
Illithid are described as having ...not a soul but like something akin to one still. More alien in nature. But tav/durge still retains their more planar aligned soul of sorts
Surely the tadpole wouldnt be able to turn the dark urge into an ilithid considering the dark urge is derived from the literal piece of flesh of Bhaal who is a god.
I can assure you this happened too if you're not playing Dark Urge. Honestly it's pretty delightful to see at least 1 person appreciate your choice to off yourself.
This is certainly a unique circumstance. But I am left wondering what would change if you took the prison option. Would the murderous urge seen during the epilogue remain the same as an illithid?
Why's everyone saying withers is jergal? Isn't he just working for him? When awaked, withers says something like "ah, you're here, just like he said you would be. Right as always". Is that person he's referring to not jergal??
@@noblesseoblige319 in the official concept art, he's referenced as Jergal, in data mined stuff there was info about him being compelled by Helm to aid the party as penance (the person he refers to at the start when you meet him is probably Helm, going off with this) and his model is called JergalAvatar.
This is what i did after i went through the trouble of saving orpheus just to watch the prince ending, just for him to be yeeted in the brain fight. Honor mode, so no reload so i said f u game.
theyre still too far away from the origin point, the floating point round up is way too noticeable also the "friends" just standing and watching, youd think theyd be running around in panic
Astarion: What are you doing?! Stop it! Durge: I have become a monster that needs to feed on others to survive. I feel the urge to feed on others. Thus for the greater good, I have decided to slay myself. Astarion: ... Astarion: You know I am a vampire right? Durge: You are a vampire?! *Astarion facepalms*
Idk if it would not have been more powerful to have the PC actually become a "proper" mindflayer instead of just having them get yet another special protagonist treatment
Imagine being Bhaal, making your new favorite child your chosen, and then they directly ruin your plans and then kill themselves so you can't puppet them in the mortal plain. This is why we disrespect the Dead Three, everyone
And then withers shows up, shames them and calls out how stupid their plan was and basically dismisses all 3 of them as no longer a threat or worth paying attention to. As far as I'm concerned they are now truly the dead 3 because I'd give up on life after that century plus beat down from my own kids and the OG Death god
I like that bit about "you've butchered so many in the name of your father, but this one you stole from him. It's only for you."
This act is basically the absolute exercise of will.
heh absolute
@@snakekeeper2073I see what you both did there 👀
Indeed. It really is a triumph of the will.
Agreed. I have no desire to do a Durge play through, but watching this ending is beautiful knowing what the Durge is.
Nono the absolute is the brain
Withers straight up saying "Bro you can't die we still need to do the level 13+ dlc."
demigod lvl
Larian isn't doing DLC, but that would be cool.
@@MiagolioMaxwell wait really?? not even an expansion???? that's lame
@@QuestionableObject Ah wait, never mind my information was outdated. They previously stated they didn't believe in selling DLC or shipping an incomplete game with BG3, but have since changed their minds on that, wanting to do more. So there is hope.
@@MiagolioMaxwell I feel like that might've been more on the topic of like "day one DLC". It would be very shocking if they had 0 intention on releasing an epic level expansion since that's pretty common in D&D games and all the other BG games did it.
I love how Withers/Jergal genuinely didn't expect to see Tav/Durge's soul in the Fugue Plane, given the Illithid thing. To see something new and interesting after all these millenia? Ohoho, now THIS is fun.
It makes sense and with all things changing, why Jergal would return- Jergal left and gave up his dominion because he was tired and felt there was nothing new, but now? Something changed BEYOND death. Even death is now not immutable- Why would the Lord of Death not seek to return?
@@joemomma2189It's poetic.
Also, his replacements f-ed up really badly by purposely destroying souls. I‘d be miffed, too.
@@ArDeeMee Oh yeah, Jergal has been having a ROUGH, however long the game takes to complete. A few weeks?
@@shadowldragoNine to ten months…
he basically went 'your soul survived the mind flayer transformation. This is unprecedented and inconceivable. I love it!'
Variety is the spice of (un)life!
That they supposedly have no soul is the most stupid part of the mind flayers's lore. And it hinders my enjoyment of the game.
I wonder if the same thing happens with Karlach.
@@kruszewskimikoaj1200 Why? Lmfao
@@kruszewskimikoaj1200it's not actually part of mind flayer lore. The Mind Flayers actually have a very religious culture in Faerun.
Honestly? I can think of no greater honor, than being called a friend by withers. Whether or not he is Jergal.
yes, this. when he mentioned 'friend', my eyes lit up. Not the hero, not the adventurer part, but friend, not food.
he is Jergal
Definitely Jergal 👍
Ignoring the honor (because that's certain like you said), but what is the significance? He's not one of the mortals-turned-gods; he's older than old and mightier than might. What does it mean when what is essentially a force of nature singles out a mortal and calls them "friend"?
@@abydosianchulac2 Are you asking as a genuine question or like asking as a means to ponder upon?
Withers: Waketh the fuck up, samuraillithid. We've a city to burn.
This is interesting because normally Illithid souls are most likely the tadpoles and not the hosts. But it seems like Jergal is implying that Tav's soul stayed intact during the transformation somehow as he recognizes Tav for who he is. Edit: I know this is Durge but the ending changes little whether it's Tav or Durge. They both get this. That's my one gripe with the whole Tav/Durge thing is the only difference between them is Durge has a backstory and fits more into the game while Tav is a random.
It does seem like some strong souls can retain their original identity-The Emperor seems like another case of that.
@@TheMarcHicksthen that means Baldurain was always a prick 😂
ye, larians will need to explain that in BG4 [or addon] they are definitely planning.
It could also be Orpheus’ power preserved their soul somehow as that wasn’t normal cermophorsis
@@AikoSeayea it could be something unique with Tav’s transformation in some conditions like
-Orpheus able to preserve their soul
-If you side with the emperor the Astral tadpole has some special property
-Plain ol’ protagonist plot armor
"I cannot account for it. How delightful :)"
Gotta love Withers.
1:08 When you stab your stomach and die in pain.
All party members:😊🗿🗿
Except Astarion
@@infinix610 he try to help, not much tho.
Just questioning your life choices.
Except Astarion, who was actually concerned
I love Withers.
Jergal seems to be someone who is tired of the old same shit never changing. And when he finds something that breaks the mold of previous laws of nature, he is... delighted.
I think he out of most old gods desire change the most. And I do believe he does things to spite Ao, more than any other god dares to.
Who knows, maybe BG3 interpretation of the world might be a cure for the stagnancy that has taken over forgotten realms and sword coast. It will be canon in one way or another after all.
Don't forget that Ao is limited to Abeir-Toril and if Jergal has aspects in other crystal spheres, Ao can't touch those.
Jergal was once the God of death, tiranny and murder, and he was probably the strongest God. He literally gift his portfolio to Bhaal, Bane and Myrkul after a game of scissors, paper and rock because he was bored of being this powerful
@@pierluigiruotolo6548 He also was and is the God of Doing All The Paperwork so I think maybe that had a lot to do with it. The Dead 3 ran off with the powers and then didn't do any of the admin work while Jergal took a vacation and now he has to spend the rest of forever cleaning up their messes. Like, who heard of a True Evil entity not doing paperwork?? Bullocks
@@Kat-xy7fm Jergal is like the old dude that needs a break, left the key with three people (off the street) whom he thought would be more responsible, only to be very disappointed and more than a little miff when he realised that these three are not the heroes but the stooges.
Out of all the gods (short of invader deities and draconic pantheon), Jergal has the least reasons to beef with Ao.
1:45-2:19 You can hear a whole chorus of positive emotions behind his reserved yet eloquent words… Surprise, joy, curiosity, relief… All because that such a miracle has happened at all, and doubly so that it has for a close friend of his.
Grandpa Withers: "This is so cool!"
The most terrifying thing about this is seeing Withers attempt to SMILE.
Thanks for telling me that I killed myself for nothing Withers. This is exacly why I choose to die and here your saying that I was still myself despite becoming illithid
Yes, although maybe because you killed yourself before your soul finished "ebbing away." And maybe that's why he said you were "flickering." You could have caught it just in time?
Tav killed himself because of his uncured dark urge, defying his father... not for becoming an illithid
See I interpreted this as, "you want to die before losing your soul entirely? mision accomplished."
@@morgan0__oThis isn't a Dark Urge ending.
@@Bharash "You've butchered so many before - each death a gift to your Father."
mhmm, yeah sure buddy
You gotta love Withers. He's basically like an old RPG player who retcons deaths he doesn't like. XD
But it would be pretty cool if this was the canon ending. The ultimate sacrifice twice over, defying death and gods and demons alike, defying the nature of a flayer, and becoming more in the grand fabric of fate along side a man so bemused by your rebellious (if suicidal) nature.
He's the OG god of Death, basically the Grim Reaper.
The other Three took over because he stopped caring about his job I think lol, still extremely powerful because I think he has all the power he had as a God
@@rockythesnailracechampion7144 Also, Withers is delightfully petty. If you show up in the epilogue and attack your former companions, he gets upset at you for ruining his party and he therefore banishes you to the shadow realms. It makes sense he does things such as meddling in mortal affairs out of spite as much as he is able to.
Minthara: Did i leave the kettle on..?
Durge: Please Let me die, I am a literal abomination that cannot and should not exist.
Withers: Sorry but we gonna have some DLC and more fixes.
There use to be a distinction between the "spirit" and the "soul" in older d&d lore and idk if the writers at larian were aware. Ironically the whole mind flayers losing their soul would imply the spirit remains since that tends to house your memory and lifeforce, wheras the soul is a combination of your personality, identity and destiny from an astral/divine sense. I really wish wotc or the greater realms cannon would reincorporate that lore (beyond some implications with some things in ravenloft because of curse of strahd) because it'd be so on point for explaining this.
My guess is that the preservation of the soul has something to do with using the astral tadpole to transform, as well as the soul being particularly powerful.
A mortal soul is no greater or stronger than the other, no matter whose it is. They all carry the same value on the cosmological scale in this setting.
@@nojusticenetwork9309interesting; what do you base this on?
@@Freekymoho dude is bullshitting. souls indeed change between size or power. and it depends on their level. not just class level either, but their racial levels and everything. my source; most of the dnd books that explain creation of outsiders like fiend folio.
stronger outsiders, say like glabrezu... or balor... or planetar angels, made by multiple souls fusing together... OR very rarely one single very powerful mortal turning into it by own. its explained, the fusing souls level must be equal or greater then the outsider they are fusing into. so... a level 20 adventurer can become a balor by itself. but otherwise, 20 seperate level 1 commoner (classic citizen types) souls must merge to become one.
But the Dark Urge isn't mortal in the strictest sense of the word. Like Gorion's Ward they are a fragment of Bhaal's divine essence.
So it might be that the Bhaalspawn's soul is simply too enduring for the transformation to nullify.
@@Mister-Thirteentechnically all bhaals children would be in that weird category of quasi divine. Not a demigod but in that ill defined just under with saints and other divine weirdness. 😅
If True Resurrection were cast on the squiddified Tav, or perhaps a piece of Tav that never got squiddified, would Tav come back un-squiddified? After all, the tadpole is not a natural part of Tav - but it does alter Tav at a genetic level (I think?).
I believe so. True Resurrection only needs a piece of the original person and they’ll be returned fully. If you also wear the Ring of Mind Shielding that gets given to you by Omeluum, your soul will be stored into that upon transformation. But it won’t do much sitting in there. Clone and Reincarnation would also work.
@@ThisIsAHandleOrSomething True Resurrection only needs the person's name to be said... and a diamond worth 25,000 gold. Resurrection requires a body part, though.
A person dies fully during ceremorphosis so unless you happen to have a wish/miracle spell, forget it.
Yes. Despite what the game says, ceremorphosis doesn't destroy the original soul. It still goes on to the outer planes to the afterlives. If one uses True Resurrection, Wish, or Miracle and focuses on the person before ceremorphosis, and the soul is willing to return, the deceased can return.
This is the origin story of one of my player characters. An Ullitharid looking to overthrow its Elder Brain leader contacted a Hag to look into the Elder Brain's past self, then performed a cursed Ritual to resurrect the Elder Brain's former self in the hopes that the Elder Brain would cease to exist, it did not work, and now the Elder Brain and who they were in life exist at the same time.
Withers really is a true friend to the players always greeting us in the hero endings as a friend even if durge decides to let himself fall to madness he just shows up at the prison cell and says “rest well my friend” and he’s just genuinely happy when we go down the good path and always comforts us at the end of our journeys
The will to preserve the ID overcomes survival instinct. Or just pure spite. Spite is one hell of a motivator.
Tried this ending and for some reason my romanced Karlach just stood silently in the background, not saying a word when I pulled the knife out. All I got was a "what are you doing?!" from Shadowheart. The scene where Karlach's ending malfunctions then proceeded to play and she just evaporated without even mentioning my character, and without Wyll suggesting she return to Avernus. It was a strange series of events.
If Tav isn't there then Wyll won't suggest Avernus & Karlach will explode, Tav is important as s/he has to make the final call
Same thing happened to me, but my sweetheart Shadowheart stood silently by while Gale shouted out for me to stop. I felt a lot closer to Gale after that.
I think the companion shouting "stop!" is chosen randomly. Similarly to how multiple characters can comment on Astarion fleeing from the Sun, but only one is shown at a time.
I keep reloading to see all their reactions n it seems karlach is the only one who won’t react no matter what
@@Uchiha_Teivankarlach is probably so upset bc she basically begged you to live on since she believes she couldn’t, and now knows she can’t.
This is by far the most epic journey storyline for the main PC.
Born of evil blood, denies it > gets killed by bhaal > ressurected by withers to be a hero > sacrifices himself again for the best of the world by becoming Illithid > kills himself for being illithid > gets ressurected into some kind of God angel being for the god of death. Epic.
Astarion saying stop it when illithid durge went to kill themself surprised me
"Awesome!... So does that mean i can meet uncle Kelemvor?"
"... He's busy right now..."
"... Is there a mod-..."
"-yes I'm sure the fugue plane mod is being worked on."
I know Withers can more than likely snap his fingers and fix us with this ending because he's heavily implied to be Jergal but anyone else still mad at Elminster for not even offering to help?
Dude literally hangs around the camp come act 3 but I can't ask the Wizard Supreme of the Forgotten Realms for a wish spell
Psst
It's not actually the wizard. Try attacking him before speaking.
I'm guessing it's mystra?@@dorkydragon5055
@@dorkydragon5055it’s a construct of the wizard, which is still him just a spell creating his (near) equal.
@@kingofgrim4761 he even melts into a puddle of water when you kill him, which is in line with the 5e simulacrum spell creating a copy of someone out of ice. the elminster you see in game is a simulacrum spell cast by a really powerful wizard (so, elminster himself probably) due to the simulacrum being unrecognizable from him and being really powerful. the simulacrum would also be significantly weaker than himself. which also means that elminster controlled his icy simulacrum to eat your cheese when you invite him to camp. maybe he did it just so that gale would think he is actually there personally on behalf of mystra since yknow it would be nice to tell someone to kill themselves in person at least, and gale would get suspicious if he didn't lunge at your cheese.
also, in 5e, casting wish to do anything except duplicate lower level spells has a 33% chance of leaving you unable to ever cast wish again, which is funny if you think about vlaakith getting so mad when you disrespect her that she'd risk never being able to wish again just to do a show of power in front of someone that they're killing anyway. it's also kinda sad that elminster would rather sacrifice gale than risk himself losing the ability to wish. or maybe mystra just doesn't want him to because she's mad at gale.
it's also entirely possible that mystra herself cast the simulacrum of elminster in order to deliver the message to gale from a friendly face thinking he might be less likely to agree if she came to him in person, and made him eat your cheese since that's what she thinks elminster would do. there's nothing in the game that would indicate elminster's simulacrum to be created by elminster himself, and perhaps he'd be honest and say that it is a simulacrum if it was himself speaking through it.
The issue with casting Wish on the Orb is that it directly *absorbs* magic. That's why Gale stops needing to eat enchanted artifacts - because Mystra starts feeding it herself.
I'd imagine that if the Orb is capable of eating raw magic, it's likely capable of eating a Wish spell's effects too.
Thank you for sharing this. I haven’t explored this path in the game and probably never will.
But it’s enlightening to see that despite all that’s been said and “known,” the choices the main character makes strongly influence what the reality is in the end.
I often think of the Emperor in this light. Withers also recognized who he really was and, at least partially, is. The path that shows him snapping and dropping any pretense when pressed in the main character’s dream visits I think is just one possible path for his reality. I think people exploring this path believe this is what is “really” going on. However, the game shows us that the choices we make can significantly impact who other characters turn out to be.
Astarian is probably the best example of this. A non-ascended version is grateful for your intervention, after the fact. And if the relationship is nurtured (romantic or not), the being he turns out to be by the time of the reunion is the polar opposite of the ascended version.
In the same way, I think “playing along” with the Emperor results in him really being an illithid wholly bent on obtaining his freedom. That’s not to say he doesn’t generally operate as a morality free zone.
Astarian’s example, amongst others, has convinced me, that not even the Emperor’s character is written in stone.
Damn, he really just G-Man's you like you're Gordon Freeman
Kinda funny that Astarion is like:
NO STOP IT!
And then just stands there and does nothing 😅😂
Durge mindflayer is obviously unique, they have red blood instead of silver.
Something about how he says "How delightful." Is so satisfying.
Minthara just smiling behind while you're commiting seppuku
Shadowheart: Oh, c'mon, you won't get off that easy.
I love how Withers/Jergal is genuinely excited that something he didn't expect or believe was possible has just happened.
The guy is older then life itself (being the "End Of All Things" not just living things) and yet he still enjoys seeing things that surprise him and that he never expected.
Wholesome Death God moment. Well, former Death God. On his retirement trip across the multiverse now.
I am convinced some of the group call him Granpappy. Karlach learns about her parents living a restful live in what waits beyond, shadowheart learns that her family is under Selune's protection and safe
“Death itself has many byways, and thou might yet have a new and different role to play.”
Translation: “That was cute but we have DLC forthcoming. Take your get-out-jail-free card. Do not return to Start.”
Or just way for saying that you can start new game with different class/race
Larian cancelled the DLC, they said they'll move back to some other RPG so most likely Divinity 3.
Well,whatever they cook, if they crowdfund it I'll drop a penny.
@@mareczek00713 "Cancelled", they already said pre release that they don't really do DLC, and their previous games didn't have any besides definitive editions...
@@pinnacleevolution1634 "Don't really do" is not "they do not", there were discussions hinted at during interviews. Again, it's their decision and game is awesome as it is now, but a bit of shame those characters likely won't return.
@@mareczek00713 What dramabait youtuber gave you this opinion? Larian was never ambiguous about its DLC policy here. They specifically and explicitly noted, very early on, that they were *considering* making DLC but that it was highly unlikely for two principle reasons:
1. Difficulty in balancing past the 12th level in DnD 5E. I can assure you that in tabletop, campaigns are notorious for ripping apart at the seams when a campaign runs past 12th level. A video game that has a philosophy of faithfully recreating fifth-edition DND would have a lot of trouble not just *balancing* but also even simply *incorporating* the implications of many seventh+ level spells. Including a little spell called Wish.
2. It is literally something they don't ever do. Larian has always preferred to make a finished game, maintain it for a few years, then move on to the next. They're just old school like that. The popularity of BG3 did prompt reason to *discuss* shifting direction in policy, but that doesn't indicate an actual shift in policy.
I'm glad to see there's a means by which Orpheus and Lae'zel can stand together against Vlaakith. Probably going to take this ending should I do a Durge ending. Shame you won't be there for the epilogue...
There's another way - if you take Karlach with you to the Morphic Pool, she'll volunteer to avoid death from her engine failing.
who cares about astral frog empire.. )
@@jdniemand But then that stops Karlach from being able to live, since the new epilogues fixes that.
@kibuki91 can confirm she does live, visits in Mind Flayer form in the epilogue. Her fave food has changed though
@@MossZ90 but even as illithid Karlach is trying to do “the right thing” by not killing innocents.
Interesting, maybe the "soul ebbing away" was flavour, maybe it's simpler than that and retaining your soul is just a question of willpower / being free from mind control. (Omeluun being an individual due to his arcane affinity, Balduran due to his willpower and Karlach due to being a good person who merely wished to live and only slay demons and devils along with those who serve them.)
Nothing is absolute in DnD anyway, bypassing a tadpole's effect is rather easy in a campaign (Killing your companion for days until the body decays with the tadpole then casting true rez, true polymorphing yourself into a tree then have a companion do it the opposite way. Even having your brain destroyed and using one of the healing spell able to reform it) If you get to a point where you can use wish just use it to ask "I want my soul to override the tadpole" thus becoming the tadpole yourself and consuming your own brain to transform, etc.
It seems BG3 simply goes the "willpower" route which is nice knowing that only Tav is mentionned to feel their soul "ebbing away". But Tav is your character meaning having willpower or not is your choice to make, not the reality of the game's world. And it is reflected by the choices given to you in the ending (Living and letting yourself be consumed by your mindflayer's nature. Retaining your true self and continue to live, locking yourself away or destroying yourself)
Those are some ingenious methods for reversing cerebromorphosis that you talked about. Thanks for that. Cringe pfp, but great info.
Lol we had to perform brain surgery to get it done, so mostly the “destroy brain and reform it” approach you mentioned but with plenty of skill challenges. Idk if we had 9th level spells yet.
did Withers just say "make a new character and start over" ?!
Either that or true res is gonna occur, which I’d prefer but would kinda neg the importance of the choice to become illithid to keep Orpheus alive as a rebel. Oh well, idc so long as I keep shadowbae and our house full of animals
No he says tav(our character)will be needed in future
Actually, he said the opposite. He basically said, "I get that you killed yourself and everything, but the world ain't done with you yet."
Astarion: "Stop, don't."
*Does nothing to stop you*
This game has so many cool endings that lend to so many possible sequels, at least in theory. Really good writing by the crew.
1:02
"What are you doing? Stop it!"
Well, Astarion, I don't see you stopping him.
Be me, who sold my soul to save the world, thinking that I would cheat the deal by having my soul destroyed by my transformation: 😐
Withers is just giddy with this revelation, and I"m here for it
Honestly seeing this gives me hope that a transformed Karlach is, indeed, still Karlach
But for how long?
Simp
@@destherThat's the big takeaway imo, only reason you get to go to the Fugue Plane is that you died before your last remnants of self were dissolved. If you kept going you would no longer be you
She can pal around with that nice ilithid in the Underdark, all's well!
Karlach is implied to be gone. I forget the term but theirs a quirk of some Mind Flayers that when the turn they retain some part of their host, memories, habits, small quirks. They’re treated like freaks by other Ilithid because they failed to fully consume them. When you encounter “karlach” her emotions are almost gone, she has only the barest memories of what she liked before she turned. She’s unlike your or the Emperor who managed to overpower the Tadpole entirely even after transforming. It’s not like a vampire where it’s functionally the same person, for Mind Flayers it’s the Tadpole piloting the body and your mind was consumed. So for The Emperor to not just remember his life but to remain in complete control just like you a miracle only Withers can truly appreciate.
This is how my first playthrough went, but after experimenting with mods for a bit my save got deleted.
thanks for posting, i wouldn't be able to see the epilogue otherwise.
Is it possible for squid Tav to join Karlach in returning to Avernus? Would squid Tav be able to feast on the brains of fiends?
yes
yee thats the end i got
I joined Karlach in Avernus as squid Tav, it was dope.
The answer to the second question is in the prologue during the first cutscene at the helm
so Illithids *sometimes* have souls... I wonder how rare of an occurrence that is if even withers is surprised to see it happen... I know ceremorphs have souls because they are still themselves and still think and act the way they normally would... and "the emperor" claims to have his original memories suggesting his soul wasn't completely destroyed by the process... imagine there are actually thousands of Illithids with souls it's just that Withers somehow missed them or he was bullshitting to make it so we don't feel bad about killing them
Well, Tav's/Durge's ceremorphosis is incredibly unique. It is likely thag nothing exactly like it has ever happened. The transformation was voluntary and shielded by the power of orpheus, can't imagine that happens much.
I imagine a being like Withers/Jergal likes being surprised now and again considering how old he is. Immortality can be monotonous sometimes.
of all the titles we gain in these games, for the likes of Withers to call us friend: always moves me.
Each prelude seem to show there is more coming to the Baldur's Gate serie. I start to think that Larian seem to have get their hand with a new contract for the serie.
I love how happy he looks when he says 'How delightful!' lol. Probably topped by nothing but the moment when Durge lets Bhaal 'kill' themself in defiance
I love how Minthara was all "hot" and Asterion was just sad.
I like this ending a lot i just wish the party members showed emotion as dude bleeds out to death instead of awkwardly standing there like 🧍♀️
I love how Withers shows such curiosity and asks Tav/Durge what it is like to be a mindflayer with a soul intact..
“Like the emperor” lol. Lmao even.
I guess the gist is that the Emperor kept his personality... too bad that personality sucked.
@@leonardorossi998no, his personality was not intact. Before he was the heroic and courageous baldurian, then he became the deceitful and insidious emperor. As soon as he turned he murdered and lobotomized his closest friends without a second thought
@@burgertime6372 What I mean was that his behavior was somewhat emotional for a mind flayer. Even compared to special ones, like Omeluum for example, or even your companions turning into Mind Flayers.
Now, it might be a suspicion, but could it be that Balduran wasn't that great of a person in life as well?
After all, most of his existence seems to be shrouded in legend. And we don't know who built Grimrock exactly and how much it was in line with Balduran's actual personality.
@@leonardorossi998 extremely unlikely. Balduran was a very close friend to a bronze dragon. A type of dragon that is naturally lawful good and “possess a strong sense of justice and do not tolerate any form of cruelty”.
@@burgertime6372 Well, you can be a prick without being cruel.
Just so we are clear: I don't think The Emperor is necessarily evil. He doesn't seem to be ready to do everything for his own gain though.
Still, he can be not evil and still be manipulative and self serving. Aka a prick. :P
I mean, other Illithid will be cold and calculating, sure. But they won't try to seduce you, or declare themselves your knight in shining armor.
dude they way minthara was standing in the background screams
minthara is "unimpressed"
Hey Withers, that's cool and all but...any chance I can get my original form back? Being a brain sucker is for the birds
Nah, he is too lazy.
Jaheira/Halsin are only one level away from being able to cast "Reincarnate", though, and since your soul is still yours, it'll totally work. Might get a body of a different race/sex than originally, but hey, at least won't be limited to brain diet!
Though I love how Shadowheart tells us that we gained weight and you can reply that giiiirl, brains are very lean, all keto, so stop your BS.
Those party members in the background. "Oh, this again."
If they have to choose a canon ending for BG4 or the DLCs, I have a feeling it would be this one.
Did this first play through with my pally, figured this was just about the best ending you could get
Changing lore like that is dangerous, but i would accept any changes to DnD Larian makes then Hasbro & Wisards of the Coast any day of the week.
1:02 did you not complete Astarion’s quest line here?
Yeah, I skipped the quest.
Minthara is just thinking “Oh what should I have for dinner?”
Since I definitely didn't go this route and probably won't in a future playthrough, I was glad to be able to see it, very interesting.
Illithid typically have no soul after becoming one. They have... something else. Tied to the primordial energies of chaos. Something that should not have meaning to a divinity of this realm. But Withers finds it fascinating that Tav as they are DOES have something he can grasp, albeit, something unfamiliar to them. Meaning his apocryphal soul has perhaps been changed but has not been extinguished due to the unique process with which they became Illithid?
>looks at Maanzecorian
>looks at Ilsensine
Larian got really creative, considering that illithids have actual deities.
@@LordMortanius It could still be okay as long as those deities are from a different plane originally than the rest of them?
@@proudlarry8225 Almost all deities live in planes different from their flock. Ilsensine's realm, the Caverns of Thought, is in the Outlands (along with the Marketplace Eternal, Waukeen's domain), and Maanzecorian's domain, Rictus, is in Gehenna (the same plane as Auril, Bhaal and Velsharoon).
They're not the only ones, for the record. The Blood Queen of the aboleths lives in Minauros, Baator, and the Great Mother and Gzemnid of the beholders dell in the Abyss and the Outlands respectively.
@@LordMortaniusOf course, but most of them in this setting were originally from the material plane and ascended. Fiends notwithstanding... like I myself highly doubt Asmodeus was ever not a devil so I can't claim all of them are ascendant. It's just that the plane of Chaos is something the current pantheon all kinda hate, even the gods who are chaotic in nature don't like that place! It's not the same as being chaotic, being FROM chaos.
@@proudlarry8225 It's heavily unlikely that Ilsensine was a mortal (for that matter, illithids are natives to the Material Plane; they originated from the future and went back in time). The Great Mother and Gzemnid were definitely not mortals. The Blood Queen, however, is from the Far Realm.
Don't have to be Durge to get this. Just the self sacrifice.
still narrator says about baal
Tell me Withers, How can this Illithid exist post death if it has no soul? Give me your best theory.
It's kinda weird that they say Illithid don't have souls when they have a god and a plane for said god where they go after they die. That kinda requires a soul.
They go on the menu and nothing more.
Illithid are described as having ...not a soul but like something akin to one still. More alien in nature. But tav/durge still retains their more planar aligned soul of sorts
@@claptrapp.claptrappington7624 BG3 and Larian got creative. Illithid souls go to Ilsensine (or Maanzecorian, if they worshipped him in life).
I thought Illithids had silver blood.
and 4 fingers
The face tentacle physics glitches get me every time, the only thing it's missing are the ragdoll sfx from Half-Life 2.
I wonder how long the face tentacles did the unintentional dancing at every head movement, this must of been a nightmare
Surely the tadpole wouldnt be able to turn the dark urge into an ilithid considering the dark urge is derived from the literal piece of flesh of Bhaal who is a god.
I can assure you this happened too if you're not playing Dark Urge.
Honestly it's pretty delightful to see at least 1 person appreciate your choice to off yourself.
Dang this death guy is more poessive of you then your own love choice.
"What is better? to be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort ?"
“You rolled durge on a good campaign? No I’m not upset about it, just surprised is all”
This is certainly a unique circumstance. But I am left wondering what would change if you took the prison option. Would the murderous urge seen during the epilogue remain the same as an illithid?
Why's everyone saying withers is jergal?
Isn't he just working for him? When awaked, withers says something like "ah, you're here, just like he said you would be. Right as always". Is that person he's referring to not jergal??
While there is no solid proof of it in game, outside of it, he is referred as such (in game files etc).
@@t0uchme343 wait really?
@@noblesseoblige319 in the official concept art, he's referenced as Jergal, in data mined stuff there was info about him being compelled by Helm to aid the party as penance (the person he refers to at the start when you meet him is probably Helm, going off with this) and his model is called JergalAvatar.
What's name for epilogue music?
Funny that none of them seems to stop you
I wish we could've heard everyone's reaction to Durge stabbing himself
I love how the only one that even cares is Astarion while the others go “eh it’s fine”
I guess the companion reacting to your kys is just random
is the mindflayer resistant to the dark urge or do you have to resist bhaal?
So, some Hosts can retain their personality and Soul after becoming a Mindflayer?
It is possible?
Was the Emperor still Balduran after all?
Maybe it's because our parasites were special.
This is normal dialogue for all characters who end it all, nothing particularly special said about the dark urge.
This is what i did after i went through the trouble of saving orpheus just to watch the prince ending, just for him to be yeeted in the brain fight. Honor mode, so no reload so i said f u game.
Did it complete the game or was it a game over? Asking cuz I’m doing honor mode now.
theyre still too far away from the origin point, the floating point round up is way too noticeable
also the "friends" just standing and watching, youd think theyd be running around in panic
Astarion: What are you doing?! Stop it!
Durge: I have become a monster that needs to feed on others to survive. I feel the urge to feed on others. Thus for the greater good, I have decided to slay myself.
Astarion: ...
Astarion: You know I am a vampire right?
Durge: You are a vampire?!
*Astarion facepalms*
Turns out, you aren’t unique in the turning into a monster only unique in your soul staying and changing into the mindflayer
Imagine Tav becomes a ilithid God, a true God, meaning teh Ilithids get souls and a afterlife...
If you don’t have dark urge you would stab your self once … incredible detail
I wonder what the companions do now that the Dark Urge is dead by their feet.
Is Karlach the only companion who doesn’t react?
I do find it interesting your Illithid also has red blood, not silver like other mind flayers.
*shadowheart casts healing tough
"your" story? Shouldn't he have said "thine" story?
Why does he have red blood? Other mind flayers have mercury color blood
Idk if it would not have been more powerful to have the PC actually become a "proper" mindflayer instead of just having them get yet another special protagonist treatment