I think Shawn works the beam like she’s in the floor Naustia works the beam as if she’s dancing ballet they both are amazing one is power the other has elegance
Marta did not like them. She did not let Bieger compete on both bars and beam at the 2005 worlds as she should have, instead putting Sacramone on all 3 of vault, floor, and beam, despite bombing beam at all the events that year. Mattie often called her out publicly so she hated her.
I think Jana got gypped time after time... Marta supposedly "HATES falls & LOVES consistency" & also really DOESNT like to take "specialists" on teams unless they're out of this world amazing- like McKayla M. on Vault in London- but shes supposed to prefer gymnasts who are more "all arounders" who potentially could be called on to perform on almost ANY apparatus & hit their routines time after time... JANA HAS EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE QUALITIES!!! She's not a huge stand out on any 1 apparatus, but, she's rock solid on EVERY ONE- she hits almost every time, she's so steady- she's a definite all around gymnast & she does generally score pretty well even if she doesn't do the absolute the HARDEST stuff- she still DOES do harder stuff than some of the other girls Marta likes more... You could have depended on Jana to put up a solid, high score that would have helped the team in Beijing on any event! I think she's definitely missing a bit of the "artistry & dance elements," & she doesn't have the lean, super straight, clean lines or build like a Nastia... But neither did Rebecca Bross & Marta was a pretty big fan of HER. I can't help but wonder if maybe her mom- might have rubbed some of the "powers the be" & big names in the sport the wrong way- what with her not being from the United States, a lot of times Europeans and Americans just express themselves VERY differently according to their cultural norms& it can rub people the wrong way. But, she's coached by her mom, and I think she got screwed out of so many team opportunities and bigger scores & along with that, missed out on a lot of top 3 finishes she deserved but maybe came in 4th or 5th by less than .3 or so. I can't understand what more Marta or anyone could have ASKED from Jana!! Which is what makes me think maybe it was something else that was the reason behind her getting screwed over so often. And if that IS the case- that's really a crappy thing to do- especially for "grown adults" to take out their own personal grudges with a PARENT on their kid! Poor Jana, 😭 she was amazing & rarely got rewarded for it or ever got the chance to show what she could do on the world stage...
They did Jana so dirty. Just like chellsie, Jana was able to hit all her routines and vault was probably the only thing she could have upgraded but that shouldn't have been enough for them to not treat her fairly. They DEFINITELY played favorites and while nastia is one of my all time favorite gymnasts, But her score being higher than it was on day 1 when she had all those mistakes on her dismount and late pirouettes was unexpected honestly. Her routine is no doubt difficult and one of the hardest even now but I feel like the judges were a bit biased.
Yeah they really screwed Bieger. She should have left USA gymnastics and gone to the German team (since they offered) where she would've been appreciated.
I heard one of the judges say on Alicia Sacramone fx the step out of bounds Is a "silly mistake " .... now Simone Biles do it 2 times per floor routine.... my my how have the tables have turned 😮
Shawn has since said that Coach Chow made her sit alone and focus in isolation during competitions. Nastia for the most part did the same thing because that's how she liked to focus and perform. Y'all are reaching with this "everyone ganged up on Shawn" narrative. Their coaches dictate their EVERY move on a competition floor
+Sarah McClure I feel like team USA will always need a leader like Chellsie, she was fantastic. If Ali Raisman makes it for 2016, (which I highly suspect) she'll fit that role.
@@almajurisic16 Simone was never the Captain of the Rio team. It was Aly. Simone was always the best gymnast and she always won. But she was never the Captain or leader of the team. That was Amy's role the whole time.
I love watching these older competitions, but I hate having to constantly hear about The Karolyi’s. Over the years, Bela and Marta have left a sour taste in many mouths…and also left several emotional scars that will last throughout many people’s lives.
Nastia has such beautiful lines. Wow! Shawn is just powerful. No wobbles just bam. Hit that skill and move on. It's just sickning how these gymnasts can do these crazy hard skills on a 4 inch balance beam
31:00 see that's what I loved about Shawns work ethic, her and her coach agreed that time in the gym is important but time outside of the gym is just as important. It reminds you why you're passionate about gymnastics. If you're in the gym 24/7 with constant pressure it can really eat away at your happiness
But that is with anything though. Even with work and studying. At a certain point more time doesn't equal better performance. It is right around that 3 to 4 hours mark. If you spend 8 hours studying, I can guarantee you didn't absorb 8 hours worth of information.
Could you imagine them here in 2019 with the current scoring system? The judges are absolutely brutal now even though the actual execution continues to slowly improve.
I think her having arguably the most difficult bar routine in the world, and definitely in the USA, made the judges less inclined to bitch about the super little things. They took off for the dismount obviously, but at the time that was by far the most difficult bar routine in the world and it deserved to score like it.
Yeah... watching in 2020 and I am dumbfounded. She missed quite a few handstands on those turns. *Edit* missed as in not perfectly over the bar. She didn't blow them. Just should have had some deductions.
i wasnt a huge fan of memmel back then, probably bc i didnt understand the code; now??? i freaking LOVE her. her gymnastics looks better than ever. i love how she is doing gymnastics on HER terms, now; no ranch to have to answer to, just her and HER own gymnastics, with her dad's help along the way. freaking QUEEN
i wish i could just hug shawn and commend her on her strength. she was at this level redefining limits in gymnastics while battling a major eating disorder, that is bravery. she really is an inspiration
Judging was a JOKE. A 17.1 on bars with visible errors?? This competition is a prime example of how the US inflated their scores prior to Beijing and it came back to bite them.
Sorry, but you are just wrong lol. The entire quads scoring was inflated, because it was the first quad that did difficulty plus execution added together. The new scoring had a lot of issues, and really only levelled out in 2009.
@@josephqualtier961 Yeah bc she did better at the Olympics. She had a HUGE step on the dismount here. Back then in the code it was 0.3 (now it's 0.5).. you're telling me there was only 0.1 to take off from the entire routine? Get real.
In all honesty, Alicia's Rudi is still probably the best it's ever been done. McKayla was also obviously an amazing and legendary vaulter, but I just loved watching Sacramones power and attitude in the arena.
Aw the shot of Shawn all alone sitting by herself was sad. it's lonely at the top. If she was competing now during the "power tumbler era" she would be a great Biles opponent.
Shawn has actually talked about this and she said that Chow wanted her extremely focused and therefore, in her own focused bubble, so that’s why she was sitting by herself.
@@roanjorna4698 I think she could could have been! Simone has her beat in floor and vault but shawn definitely had more difficulty in her beam routine. As far bars, I would say they might be neck and neck since it's an event their both weak on but still have enough difficulty to possibly medal and they're consistent on it
+Katie Doyle I totally felt like they shunned her! Nastia was my favorite back then, but I just watched night one and night two and I sort of felt like she was a big part of that! Poor Shawn, they couldn't pick on a sweeter girl, either.
Jealousy is a green eyed monster. It also could be Shawn just isolating herself for focusings sake. Hopefully they were nice to her once they all went back to the ranch at the end of the day :(
Shawn Johnson will always be one of my favorite gymnasts but I really don't understand her choice of music? It doesn't seem like her floor routine matches the music very well
Steve Young actually they had to change her music and basically swap it because they did not w at it to be copy righted but Shawn doid not have enough time to make a completely new routine so she stuck with here own stuff
As much as I love Nastia as a person and her gymnastics, she was so overscored. So many gymnasts were in the shadows, not getting the recognition they deserved. Jana, Mattie, Sam, Brigitte. She deserved to be at the Olympics, but she did not deserve gold.
why does he act like shawns bar routine is bad and "she just needs to get through it" geeze the only person that just needs to get through bars with that much fear of it was alicia sacromone and she stopped doing bars a long time ago! lol
The Crafty Artist if you watch the routines side by side on the day of the Olympic AA competition, it’s clear that Nastia deserved the win. I’d love to debate this tho!
I do not understand how Jana bieger didn't the fair judging in gymnastics.. she was one of my favorites! She was actually the most dependable gymnast in that quad
Not in 2008 she wasn’t, unfortunately. By that time many other athletes had surpassed her in difficulty and execution (the deductions WERE there), and she really had lost a place with the team given how strong others had gotten. She was definitely on the other hand treated wrongly by the Karolys. Sad to say, she’d have been better off joining the German team- that would have at least gotten her to the Olympics- but definitely not a medal contender.
Even though Shawn is more powerful and has more difficulty than Nastia on Floor... But I can't stop being drawn to Nastia's floor routine.. The artistry, the elegance, the beauty of her style and art-form is just quite a masterpiece.
You cant even compare them.. Shawn was one of the FIRST girls to do that vault, and she upgraded her vault just for the Olympics.She only had like what? less than one month to REALLY train it.. mean while NOW that vault is standard, they even down graded it to a 6.3 because girls like gabby and wieber and maroney have had way more time to be able to perfect it.
Ade O. She was actually even ready to compete it in 2007... i believe she first began training it in the gym in 2006, first started competing it in 2008
They do, but skills come and go depending on the code of points. A lot of unique skills while amazing to look at just aren't worth it because of their lower value.
Ha at Tim saying that Valeri won four gold medals in 1988... he won 4 medals, but only 2 of them were gold. Still amazingly impressive, but fact-check please! It's just like how a few newscasters post-2008 Olys introduced Shawn as the gymnast who won 4 gold medals. :/
Lauren Raubaugh Agree. Agree. Agree. They talk and talk and talk. It's impossible to remember everyone's history. So, you would think that they would have a cheat sheet with some accurate numbers they could use. Goes to show they don't have to worry about their jobs much so don't put in extra effort..
Idk why but I feel bad for Jana, she was completely betrayed and left aside by USAG, I think she should have accepted her mother's invitation to compete in the Germany team, she would have been much better used, and would have her place in the Olympics practically assured. I think she should have opened her eyes earlier and lefted behind the whole "I'm American!" thing and realized that the USAG was just paying attention to the little group of gymnasts they had already formed and were rejecting her more and more
Her performance as time went on did not match those who made the team, that’s the reality. By 2008 you had to have upgraded your difficulty quite a bit- and she unfortunately didn’t. Germany would definitely have been a better choice, but if she’d gone she’d never have medaled.
So just throwing this out there but, Al made (for once) a decent point. He said, "in these days..... Bc we dont see very many of them, a stuck landing has to count for something." I feel like in this code and in future ones the gymmasts should get bonus to their d-score if they actually "stick" their landings..... What do you guys think?
Lex B I think there used to be such thing as a domestic stick bonus? Like, one of Simone’s Amanars (2015 nationals, I think) received a 0.1 stick bonus.
that's how progression works though; it could be said with any skill in the past now to present. There was hardly anyone performing the Amanar because of the risks back then; she was performing it alone and she was landing on two feet. a pretty good feat =).
Shawn should have won the Olympic all around. My opinion. Personally I don’t take to Nastia. She seems to walk around with her nose in the air thinking she’s better than everyone else. Her red carpet lifestyle now makes her so unrelateable. I don’t actually know what job she does for it 😂
You can feel how you want about Nastia as a person, but she had the meet of her life at the Olympics. She was better on the day it counted. Also Shawn isn't that relatable. Unless it's common to use your child to make money.
Nastia won by six tenths in Beijing and was pretty much perfect on every event. Even if you say that bars specialists were favored in that quad, Nastia still deserved it. Her routine was so much longer and more exhausting than Shawn's, that's why her dismounts mostly looked bad. Nastia stuck her landings and had great form, no wobbles on beam and great landings on floor as well. She totally deserved it.
Same. Women can be incredibly cruel....teenage girls infinitely more cruel. I cannot even imagine at this elite level of competition how much worse it is. Just awful.
right! now if someone performed it like that it would be considered bad but in 2008 there were hardly no one performing it due to the risk so the fact that she performed it alone was amazing back then.
The judge with the flag at 50:05 looks very much like the judge whose jaw dropped at McKayla's perfect vault during team finals in London--I just did a quick Google search to see if I could figure out who that judge was but no luck. Can anyone say how to access a lineup of judges for a particular meet?
I do not agree 2008 is the first time the U.S had 2 women who could legitimately vye for gold in the AA the Olympics. 1992- Miller, Zmeskal 1996- Dawes, Moceanu, maybe Miller 2004- Patterson, Kupets 1984- (with boycott and Szabo`s famous nerves) McNamara, Retton Al know NOTHING about gymnastics.
While I agree the US has had 2 strong all-around era in the past, the fact is there were too many other threats (Szabo, Gutsu, Bogi, Milo, Khorkina, Zhang, etc etc) who factored in tremendously. Johnson/Liukin really were the top 2 options in Beijing
kras118 yeah it was the first time the U.S had the 2 clear favorites. However there were other times they had 2 possible gold contenders in the AA. Miller and Zmeskal in 92, Dawes and Miller and Moceanu in 96, Patterson and Kupets in 04.
Mocenau peaked WAY before the Olympics and messed up constantly the year leading up to them. As long as I remember Dawes was never even mentioned in the AA contention.
ajlove2013 whether or not Dawes was supposed to contend in the AA she LED the AA halfway through so she obviously was a gold contender. I know full well none of Miller, Dawes, or Moceanu were favored to win the AA or even maybe medal, but each were among those who could win the AA if lilia and Mo Huilan made mistakes.
i was a big shawn fan back then! i wish she had done a bit more than she is now. like stuck with gym longer, gone to college even. i always thought she seemed like a smart kid.
Besides everything else that annoys me about Tim, Elfi said Samantha stepped on the line when vaulting, not over it, and he basically just ignored her.
...and i never seen anyone float across the beam with a mix of elegance, power, and precision...something Nastia lacks...Shawn definitely got robbed of the All-Around at the Olympics...idk why...possibly Nastia father's name, politics or both...Nonetheless...Shawn will forever be the 2008 Olympic GOAT...!
I don’t understand why Nastia changed her dismount to a double front with a half because her double layout was beautiful. I know it has more difficulty but she could have found another dismount that she did well and that added difficulty to her routine
I believe after her injury she a) couldn't land a double front on her bad ankle (see the 2007 Visas for her dramatic fall) and b) had grown a few inches to the point that she couldn't do the double layout anymore. I agree with you that the front + half was so often messy, but I don't know what other options her body gave her.
how can you not think about an injury when your doing gymnastics like how many landings the injury can handle? of course your mind is going to be on that injury which takes your mind off your gymnastics a little bit
I feel bad for Shawn ( 28:19 ) sitting all by herself she never talks to anyone or at least she didn't until she got to the Olympics with her new team anyway.... I really like her she´s got the talent and all... but still my fave are Nastia and Alicia
They were all overscored. Nastia's dismount on bars is very deductable and she didn't hit every handstand. Shawn however had several leg separations on beam, had a low chest on her skills and on her landing, her splits aren't on point and her dance elements on floor are really questionable which weren't all credited in Beijing.
"Second place" is the worst thing"??!! What a horrible thing to say to someone you're coaching, especially your own daughter. It puts additional unnecessary pressure on Nastia, that's for sure.
Who else is here during 2020 missing gymnastics
Your Above Average Band Trash - Oh, me for sure. During this quarantine, this a positive thing.
I hope they have it in June 2021
i’m actually in 2021
I think Shawn works the beam like she’s in the floor Naustia works the beam as if she’s dancing ballet they both are amazing one is power the other has elegance
The judges didn't just overscore everyone here. They played favorites. Gymnasts like Jana Bieger and Mattie Larson were significantly underscored IMO
Marta did not like them. She did not let Bieger compete on both bars and beam at the 2005 worlds as she should have, instead putting Sacramone on all 3 of vault, floor, and beam, despite bombing beam at all the events that year. Mattie often called her out publicly so she hated her.
I think Jana got gypped time after time... Marta supposedly "HATES falls & LOVES consistency" & also really DOESNT like to take "specialists" on teams unless they're out of this world amazing- like McKayla M. on Vault in London- but shes supposed to prefer gymnasts who are more "all arounders" who potentially could be called on to perform on almost ANY apparatus & hit their routines time after time...
JANA HAS EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THESE QUALITIES!!! She's not a huge stand out on any 1 apparatus, but, she's rock solid on EVERY ONE- she hits almost every time, she's so steady- she's a definite all around gymnast & she does generally score pretty well even if she doesn't do the absolute the HARDEST stuff- she still DOES do harder stuff than some of the other girls Marta likes more... You could have depended on Jana to put up a solid, high score that would have helped the team in Beijing on any event! I think she's definitely missing a bit of the "artistry & dance elements," & she doesn't have the lean, super straight, clean lines or build like a Nastia... But neither did Rebecca Bross & Marta was a pretty big fan of HER. I can't help but wonder if maybe her mom- might have rubbed some of the "powers the be" & big names in the sport the wrong way- what with her not being from the United States, a lot of times Europeans and Americans just express themselves VERY differently according to their cultural norms& it can rub people the wrong way. But, she's coached by her mom, and I think she got screwed out of so many team opportunities and bigger scores & along with that, missed out on a lot of top 3 finishes she deserved but maybe came in 4th or 5th by less than .3 or so. I can't understand what more Marta or anyone could have ASKED from Jana!! Which is what makes me think maybe it was something else that was the reason behind her getting screwed over so often. And if that IS the case- that's really a crappy thing to do- especially for "grown adults" to take out their own personal grudges with a PARENT on their kid!
Poor Jana, 😭 she was amazing & rarely got rewarded for it or ever got the chance to show what she could do on the world stage...
Yeah that’s not right you work hard you diserve to perform someone should not have that power to take someone’s dream away
They did Jana so dirty. Just like chellsie, Jana was able to hit all her routines and vault was probably the only thing she could have upgraded but that shouldn't have been enough for them to not treat her fairly. They DEFINITELY played favorites and while nastia is one of my all time favorite gymnasts, But her score being higher than it was on day 1 when she had all those mistakes on her dismount and late pirouettes was unexpected honestly. Her routine is no doubt difficult and one of the hardest even now but I feel like the judges were a bit biased.
Yeah they really screwed Bieger. She should have left USA gymnastics and gone to the German team (since they offered) where she would've been appreciated.
It's so funny watching this in 2016 and seeing the gymnasts taking one step out of tumbling without deducting!
2021 😳
I heard one of the judges say on Alicia Sacramone fx the step out of bounds Is a "silly mistake " .... now Simone Biles do it 2 times per floor routine.... my my how have the tables have turned 😮
Shawn has since said that Coach Chow made her sit alone and focus in isolation during competitions. Nastia for the most part did the same thing because that's how she liked to focus and perform. Y'all are reaching with this "everyone ganged up on Shawn" narrative. Their coaches dictate their EVERY move on a competition floor
I freakin love Chellsie. She's tough as nails and always got the job done.
+Sarah McClure I feel like team USA will always need a leader like Chellsie, she was fantastic. If Ali Raisman makes it for 2016, (which I highly suspect) she'll fit that role.
+Sarah McClure I like Chelsea too. This year, if Aly or Gabby make the team I could see either one of them taking the leadership role.
+Nate B She did and during the quals in Rio you could tell that even though Simone is technically the captain, Aly was still leading the team.
Nope, Aly is the captain, not Simone
@@almajurisic16 Simone was never the Captain of the Rio team. It was Aly. Simone was always the best gymnast and she always won. But she was never the Captain or leader of the team. That was Amy's role the whole time.
I love watching these older competitions, but I hate having to constantly hear about The Karolyi’s. Over the years, Bela and Marta have left a sour taste in many mouths…and also left several emotional scars that will last throughout many people’s lives.
Nastia has such beautiful lines. Wow! Shawn is just powerful. No wobbles just bam. Hit that skill and move on. It's just sickning how these gymnasts can do these crazy hard skills on a 4 inch balance beam
31:00 see that's what I loved about Shawns work ethic, her and her coach agreed that time in the gym is important but time outside of the gym is just as important. It reminds you why you're passionate about gymnastics. If you're in the gym 24/7 with constant pressure it can really eat away at your happiness
But that is with anything though. Even with work and studying. At a certain point more time doesn't equal better performance. It is right around that 3 to 4 hours mark. If you spend 8 hours studying, I can guarantee you didn't absorb 8 hours worth of information.
1:25 sam peszek picking up the tongs in the watermelon dish and then not even using them to get the watermelon made me laugh so much lmao
I like how even the commentators were surprised by all the extremely high execution score!
totally agree. a bit over the top and even Tim and Elfie called it out. not useful in getting ready for Olympics, unfortunately.
Could you imagine them here in 2019 with the current scoring system? The judges are absolutely brutal now even though the actual execution continues to slowly improve.
The scoring is absolutely preposterous
Jay Petrova the code favored the uneven bars by giving the E E and E D more connection value the the other codes 👌
I agree
Love me some nastia on bars but NO to that bars execution score, you could easily find that many deductions on the dismount alone.
Ikr
You only find errors on dismount other are perfect
ncik delta nope, her full pirouettes were more over than her 1.5. Those needed deductions
I think her having arguably the most difficult bar routine in the world, and definitely in the USA, made the judges less inclined to bitch about the super little things. They took off for the dismount obviously, but at the time that was by far the most difficult bar routine in the world and it deserved to score like it.
Yeah... watching in 2020 and I am dumbfounded. She missed quite a few handstands on those turns.
*Edit* missed as in not perfectly over the bar. She didn't blow them. Just should have had some deductions.
i wasnt a huge fan of memmel back then, probably bc i didnt understand the code; now??? i freaking LOVE her. her gymnastics looks better than ever. i love how she is doing gymnastics on HER terms, now; no ranch to have to answer to, just her and HER own gymnastics, with her dad's help along the way. freaking QUEEN
Martha Karoly made life for these girls a living hell, she shouldn't be praised
Agree
If she made life living hell then why did Shawn, Aly, and Simone all say that Martha was extremely kind?
She and her monster husband should be in prison.
@@nathan10120 It’s called B.S.
Agreed. The Karolye’s were given way too much power in the world of gymnastics. Their only concerns were gold medals.
my favorite part of this competition was chellsie memmel's vault "excuse me mr. daggett?" lol shut him right up
It breaks my heart to see Mattie Larson here knowing what she was probs going through at the time with that horrible disgusting Larry Nassar.
I know! Going back and watching old meets and now knowing what was going on , is crazy!
Well he’s spending 63 years in prison so ya
Me too. At least he’s never getting out. Nassar is not getting paroled.
At 1:15:53 Alicia just touching the bars and leaving 😂😂 I know she didn't compete bars but it was funny
The way the judge clapped for her too lol
i wish i could just hug shawn and commend her on her strength. she was at this level redefining limits in gymnastics while battling a major eating disorder, that is bravery. she really is an inspiration
Judging was a JOKE. A 17.1 on bars with visible errors?? This competition is a prime example of how the US inflated their scores prior to Beijing and it came back to bite them.
But Shawn scored even higher in the olympics than she did here on beam and floor.
Not rly… nastia scored 16.9 at the Olympics don’t be dramatic
Maybe you should have been a judge since you know soooo much
Sorry, but you are just wrong lol. The entire quads scoring was inflated, because it was the first quad that did difficulty plus execution added together. The new scoring had a lot of issues, and really only levelled out in 2009.
@@josephqualtier961 Yeah bc she did better at the Olympics. She had a HUGE step on the dismount here. Back then in the code it was 0.3 (now it's 0.5).. you're telling me there was only 0.1 to take off from the entire routine? Get real.
Shawn was so young! she will forever be my favorite along with gabby :)
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Mine too; such a fireball!!
I love how they are amazed by Alicia’s height on vault lol wait till they meet mckayla
In all honesty, Alicia's Rudi is still probably the best it's ever been done. McKayla was also obviously an amazing and legendary vaulter, but I just loved watching Sacramones power and attitude in the arena.
@@myerklamb8529 Ya I agree Alica was most more powerful than Myckalaya. Alicia's rudi is as as good as it gets
Aw the shot of Shawn all alone sitting by herself was sad. it's lonely at the top. If she was competing now during the "power tumbler era" she would be a great Biles opponent.
Shawn is amazing but I dont think she's a Biles opponent. Maybe tho
Shawn has actually talked about this and she said that Chow wanted her extremely focused and therefore, in her own focused bubble, so that’s why she was sitting by herself.
@@roanjorna4698 I think she could could have been! Simone has her beat in floor and vault but shawn definitely had more difficulty in her beam routine. As far bars, I would say they might be neck and neck since it's an event their both weak on but still have enough difficulty to possibly medal and they're consistent on it
@@roanjorna4698on beam Shawn had what Simple has only rarely shown- CONSISTENCY.
Man I felt bad for Shawn. Shawn was always loved by the crowds but the other girls seemed to dislike her.
+Katie Doyle I totally felt like they shunned her! Nastia was my favorite back then, but I just watched night one and night two and I sort of felt like she was a big part of that! Poor Shawn, they couldn't pick on a sweeter girl, either.
They were probably jealous
Jealousy is a green eyed monster. It also could be Shawn just isolating herself for focusings sake. Hopefully they were nice to her once they all went back to the ranch at the end of the day :(
+seb1999 I think that too 😳😳😳😳😳😳
+Katie Doyle I felt bad for her too.
Crazy to see how the scoring has changed execution wise even in the past few years.
I really didn't expect to watch all of this XD
Shawn Johnson will always be one of my favorite gymnasts but I really don't understand her choice of music? It doesn't seem like her floor routine matches the music very well
Steve Young actually they had to change her music and basically swap it because they did not w at it to be copy righted but Shawn doid not have enough time to make a completely new routine so she stuck with here own stuff
Alicia's run is SO powerful !
NO WAY Liukin should have scored a 17.1 on that UB exercise!!!!!!!!!!
Yes she did i know I couldn’t believe it either 😂😂
As much as I love Nastia as a person and her gymnastics, she was so overscored. So many gymnasts were in the shadows, not getting the recognition they deserved. Jana, Mattie, Sam, Brigitte. She deserved to be at the Olympics, but she did not deserve gold.
She won the all around that day fair and square. She was the best in the world that day and it mattered.
why does he act like shawns bar routine is bad and "she just needs to get through it" geeze the only person that just needs to get through bars with that much fear of it was alicia sacromone and she stopped doing bars a long time ago! lol
Watching this in 2020 & loving it. Just waiting for 2020 Olympics! ⚡️🤸♀️⚡️
So sad it's postponed an entire year because of coronavirus 😭
Watching in 2019 😂 in my opinion, Shawn should have won that all around gold in 2008 olympics, bars was the only thing that gave Nastia the gold medal
The Crafty Artist if you watch the routines side by side on the day of the Olympic AA competition, it’s clear that Nastia deserved the win. I’d love to debate this tho!
I do prefer Shawn’s gymnastics, but Nastia had the best day at the AA Olympic Final. Timing counts.
Nastia won by six tenths and was pretty much perfect that day. She absolutely deserved it.
I love watching nastia. Her form and poise is amazing.
I do not understand how Jana bieger didn't the fair judging in gymnastics.. she was one of my favorites! She was actually the most dependable gymnast in that quad
Not in 2008 she wasn’t, unfortunately. By that time many other athletes had surpassed her in difficulty and execution (the deductions WERE there), and she really had lost a place with the team given how strong others had gotten. She was definitely on the other hand treated wrongly by the Karolys. Sad to say, she’d have been better off joining the German team- that would have at least gotten her to the Olympics- but definitely not a medal contender.
SAMs beam. Best I've seen
God Chelsea's was good too. How is this the team that didn't do well on beam at worlds?
+beautybyelle Shawn fell, and Nastia only did a back tuck dismount
@@trapezemiley the two of them are criminally underrated
Even though Shawn is more powerful and has more difficulty than Nastia on Floor... But I can't stop being drawn to Nastia's floor routine.. The artistry, the elegance, the beauty of her style and art-form is just quite a masterpiece.
You cant even compare them.. Shawn was one of the FIRST girls to do that vault, and she upgraded her vault just for the Olympics.She only had like what? less than one month to REALLY train it.. mean while NOW that vault is standard, they even down graded it to a 6.3 because girls like gabby and wieber and maroney have had way more time to be able to perfect it.
Ade O. Shawn started training it in 2007
Ade O. She was actually even ready to compete it in 2007... i believe she first began training it in the gym in 2006, first started competing it in 2008
Ade O. Now it's 5.8
The revisionist history is strong with this one.
Shawn Johnson 4 life!
I love Shawn
This scoring is ridiculous! I do t know why the us judges do this it just gives the gymnasts unrealistic hopes
Is it just me or do the gymnasts do unique skills that we don’t see that much anymore?
They do, but skills come and go depending on the code of points. A lot of unique skills while amazing to look at just aren't worth it because of their lower value.
The leos look so beautiful! 😀
good god nastia's dad put alot of pressure on her!
Ha at Tim saying that Valeri won four gold medals in 1988... he won 4 medals, but only 2 of them were gold. Still amazingly impressive, but fact-check please! It's just like how a few newscasters post-2008 Olys introduced Shawn as the gymnast who won 4 gold medals. :/
Lauren Raubaugh Agree. Agree. Agree. They talk and talk and talk. It's impossible to remember everyone's history. So, you would think that they would have a cheat sheet with some accurate numbers they could use. Goes to show they don't have to worry about their jobs much so don't put in extra effort..
THANKYOU
If Nastia got rid of the extra mat on her bar dismount.. She prob wlda been more consistent w landing
Wow... MAJOR over scoring
Different quad! the rules of scoring were changed in 2006, and they were still trying to balance the code here!
@@411MooCow It's also a domestic meet, even to this day you generally see higher scores at domestic meets.
Idk why but I feel bad for Jana, she was completely betrayed and left aside by USAG, I think she should have accepted her mother's invitation to compete in the Germany team, she would have been much better used, and would have her place in the Olympics practically assured. I think she should have opened her eyes earlier and lefted behind the whole "I'm American!" thing and realized that the USAG was just paying attention to the little group of gymnasts they had already formed and were rejecting her more and more
I’m so angry she wasn’t on that 2008 team. I would have taken her over Bridget or Sam
I also wish she would have competed for Germany, she would have had more opportunities
Her performance as time went on did not match those who made the team, that’s the reality. By 2008 you had to have upgraded your difficulty quite a bit- and she unfortunately didn’t. Germany would definitely have been a better choice, but if she’d gone she’d never have medaled.
Who’s here after Chellsie announced her comeback?!
I am!!😍🙋🏾♂️
nastia's score i thought was a little high.
It was the most difficult bar routine in the world, and she made it look damn good. Her score should reflect that.
we love being quarantined and watching these competitions
Go Shawn Johnson
So just throwing this out there but, Al made (for once) a decent point. He said, "in these days..... Bc we dont see very many of them, a stuck landing has to count for something." I feel like in this code and in future ones the gymmasts should get bonus to their d-score if they actually "stick" their landings..... What do you guys think?
Lex B I think there used to be such thing as a domestic stick bonus? Like, one of Simone’s Amanars (2015 nationals, I think) received a 0.1 stick bonus.
that's how progression works though; it could be said with any skill in the past now to present. There was hardly anyone performing the Amanar because of the risks back then; she was performing it alone and she was landing on two feet. a pretty good feat =).
Shawn should have won the Olympic all around. My opinion. Personally I don’t take to Nastia. She seems to walk around with her nose in the air thinking she’s better than everyone else. Her red carpet lifestyle now makes her so unrelateable. I don’t actually know what job she does for it 😂
You can feel how you want about Nastia as a person, but she had the meet of her life at the Olympics. She was better on the day it counted. Also Shawn isn't that relatable. Unless it's common to use your child to make money.
Valeri had a successful gym when Nastia was still just a young girl. He didn't need Nastia to make money. You sound psychotic.
Nastia won by six tenths in Beijing and was pretty much perfect on every event. Even if you say that bars specialists were favored in that quad, Nastia still deserved it. Her routine was so much longer and more exhausting than Shawn's, that's why her dismounts mostly looked bad. Nastia stuck her landings and had great form, no wobbles on beam and great landings on floor as well. She totally deserved it.
Watching this in 2019 makes me want to throw up knowing that not one of those adults protected these girls from Nassar!
3:46 Nastia Vault
5:06 Bridget Beam
7:29 Chellsie Bars
9:35 Alicia Beam
12:28 Shawn Vault
18:03 Samantha Beam
21:51 Chellsie Beam
24:34 Alicia Floor
30:09 Shawn Bars
33:04 Nastia Bars
35:43 Samantha Floor
50:18 Samantha Vault
52:17 Alicia Vault
55:50 Shawn Beam
1:00:14 Nastia Beam
1:03:29 Chellsie Floor
1:11:49 Samantha Bars
1:11:47 Chellsie Vault
1:16:23 Shawn Floor
1:20:11 Nastia Floor
My heart started to melt when I saw Shawn Johnson alone
Same. Women can be incredibly cruel....teenage girls infinitely more cruel. I cannot even imagine at this elite level of competition how much worse it is. Just awful.
Watch her channel she says that was her and chows strategy to stay in right head space!
@@Star-ft2gd oh wow really so she wanted to sit alone? It made me sad... I thought, "lonely at the top".
She said she was instructed to do so 🤦♀️
I can't help thinking of Catalina Ponor when I see Alicia Sacramone on beam. Kind of similar. Especially the arm movements and the flow.
Love seeing Shawn crush it!
My very favorite!
Uhhh...why was the video cut off? Is there suppose to be a part 2 to this?
Hey! Nashville's a fantastic city, Alicia!
99miyah great music scene!
@@gifthorse9779 lol, totally. I say that as a graduate of a conservatory there haha :)
Thats how you know shawn was amazing only trains 4 hours a day
Could you please post the Olympic Trials too?
I feel like Sam was so underrated.
right! now if someone performed it like that it would be considered bad but in 2008 there were hardly no one performing it due to the risk so the fact that she performed it alone was amazing back then.
Nastia’s routines
Vault 3:45
Bars 32:45
Beam 1:00:12
Floor 1:20:08
Its because its so well known to do to this day. Back then, no one else was even thinking about training the amanar.
16.2 for Shawn Johnson on the Floor? WTF??? This is ridiculous!!
The judge with the flag at 50:05 looks very much like the judge whose jaw dropped at McKayla's perfect vault during team finals in London--I just did a quick Google search to see if I could figure out who that judge was but no luck. Can anyone say how to access a lineup of judges for a particular meet?
I never noticed the rhinestones on Nastia's leo until tonight haha
I do not agree 2008 is the first time the U.S had 2 women who could legitimately vye for gold in the AA the Olympics.
1992- Miller, Zmeskal
1996- Dawes, Moceanu, maybe Miller
2004- Patterson, Kupets
1984- (with boycott and Szabo`s famous nerves) McNamara, Retton
Al know NOTHING about gymnastics.
While I agree the US has had 2 strong all-around era in the past, the fact is there were too many other threats (Szabo, Gutsu, Bogi, Milo, Khorkina, Zhang, etc etc) who factored in tremendously. Johnson/Liukin really were the top 2 options in Beijing
kras118 yeah it was the first time the U.S had the 2 clear favorites. However there were other times they had 2 possible gold contenders in the AA. Miller and Zmeskal in 92, Dawes and Miller and Moceanu in 96, Patterson and Kupets in 04.
Mocenau peaked WAY before the Olympics and messed up constantly the year leading up to them. As long as I remember Dawes was never even mentioned in the AA contention.
ajlove2013 whether or not Dawes was supposed to contend in the AA she LED the AA halfway through so she obviously was a gold contender. I know full well none of Miller, Dawes, or Moceanu were favored to win the AA or even maybe medal, but each were among those who could win the AA if lilia and Mo Huilan made mistakes.
i was a big shawn fan back then! i wish she had done a bit more than she is now. like stuck with gym longer, gone to college even. i always thought she seemed like a smart kid.
I can't believe Alicia didn't get deducted for her 2 feet out of bounds on her second pass. She was visibly out of bounds!
9.150 as on that beam execution like what? is this college gymnastics or something like that???
I love Nastia but mann I really though Shawn should have won the all around!! Nastia has bars that’s it really
...Louisa Emma...i felt the same...
Besides everything else that annoys me about Tim, Elfi said Samantha stepped on the line when vaulting, not over it, and he basically just ignored her.
Alicia's arm movements on the beam were a little much. I'm a fan of her in general, but I don't get all of the arm waving.
Shades of Simone Biles of shawn's Floor Exercise
Man, Chellsie's bars were FIRE. Oh for a clean routine for her in the Olympic quals.
Is anyone else comparing 08's visas with 12's visas as well? ;)
Can we talk about Chelsies dads physique? 👀🤣🥵
literally i’ve never seen anyone else do that nastia luikin skill on beam other than nastia, GO BRIDGET!
...and i never seen anyone float across the beam with a mix of elegance, power, and precision...something Nastia lacks...Shawn definitely got robbed of the All-Around at the Olympics...idk why...possibly Nastia father's name, politics or both...Nonetheless...Shawn will forever be the 2008 Olympic GOAT...!
I don’t understand why Nastia changed her dismount to a double front with a half because her double layout was beautiful. I know it has more difficulty but she could have found another dismount that she did well and that added difficulty to her routine
I believe after her injury she a) couldn't land a double front on her bad ankle (see the 2007 Visas for her dramatic fall) and b) had grown a few inches to the point that she couldn't do the double layout anymore. I agree with you that the front + half was so often messy, but I don't know what other options her body gave her.
Her form on that dismount was so sloppy.
“Chow has coached Shawn since her first front roll!” Actually no, she went to another gym for three years before she went to Chow's.
Ok, but come on she started at Chow's as soon as it opened and she was only 6! That's pretty much from front rolls to Olympian!
Maybe he worked at that other gym?
More more better than those of2016
how can you not think about an injury when your doing gymnastics like how many landings the injury can handle? of course your mind is going to be on that injury which takes your mind off your gymnastics a little bit
I feel bad for Shawn ( 28:19 ) sitting all by herself she never talks to anyone or at least she didn't until she got to the Olympics with her new team anyway.... I really like her she´s got the talent and all... but still my fave are Nastia and Alicia
I know she always is sitting by herself and never really talks to anyone
Well she does that to herself... Maybe she needs to mentally prepare. I do that too
+YoMeMyselfAndI I feel bad for her too. I think she just needed that time to refocus and reenergize.
It was her and chows strategy to keep her in the right headspace
Nastia got several shameless overscoring there
They were all overscored. Nastia's dismount on bars is very deductable and she didn't hit every handstand. Shawn however had several leg separations on beam, had a low chest on her skills and on her landing, her splits aren't on point and her dance elements on floor are really questionable which weren't all credited in Beijing.
Why does these beam routines seem
Harder in this era as compared to now ?
"Second place" is the worst thing"??!! What a horrible thing to say to someone you're coaching, especially your own daughter. It puts additional unnecessary pressure on Nastia, that's for sure.
I think you're taking this out of context. Valeri said it *about* Nastia, not to her, and he said it as someone who knew his daughter.
I love shawn Johnson
Such a different mindset now, seeing Marta and these gymnasts, knowing what happened with Nassar.
I do not believe USAG owns the rights to that broadcast.
1:15:25 Whoa! How have I never noticed Andy Memmel's abs before?
Nastia's bars have always been grosly overscored.
It was the most difficult bar routine in the world at the time. She made it look good too. Her score deserved to reflect that.
Nastia was so elegant! ❤
NASTIA
Hw did alicia score a 15.95 on beam but samantha only got a 16. Dobte judges have eyes?
The way Chellsie's bar routine holds up in 2023...