Nastia Luikin and her father were brilliant in their last year of planning. After her struggles with the ankle injury, they knew that a slow steady climb was better than hitting the circuit hard going for wins. They used 2007 and the World Championship for a test of the best order to place her moves and routines. Their plan worked to perfection. Nastia peaked right at the Culmination of the Olympics.
late, but totally agree! I still am fascinated by her AA win b/c you see so much strategy and intelligence behind her routines: choosing an easier vault in favor of perfect execution, then making up for it with a crazy bar routine that gave her massive advantage. Shawn was a fantastic gymnast, but I think in hindsight, some of her moves weren't as well thought-out. She had more difficult moves (e.g. vault) but at the cost of form deductions, which added up and let Nastia chip away the lead. Though a part of it was also their coaches had different philosophy. The Liukins wanted to win, while Chow emphasized not letting gymnastics consume the athletes. They're both fantastic gymnasts, but Nastia's team definitely was really smart in planning her win.
@@auspicious93the rules allowed 15 year olds to compete as a senior the year before the Olympics (same reason Carly and Hollie competed at Worlds in 2003)
You are so right. They kept their heads, stayed patient and dedicated- and were rewarded with the ultimate prize. Nastia became a legend in the sport, in part because of her resilience. Five medals in one games, a feat only achieved by a very select few including the AA crown is incredible.
@@kras118 Hollie was born in December 1987, so she was already age eligible by 2003. It was Carly Patterson and Chellsie (both born in 1988) who benefited from this rule
The way they pinned Nastia and Shawn against each other was ridiculous. They were to equally beautiful and amazing gymnast in their own perspectives. They took the joy out of it for them.
Nastia is by far my favourite in nearly every way, but Shawn has to be the cleanest gymnast ever. Form always perfect. I feel like Shawn was the precursor to Simone's bodybuilder/power tumbling.
Looking back I really hate how they tried to paint the narrative like Shawn was out to get Nastia. They were both fighting for their dreams of being national champion and making it to the Olympics. Annoying
Agreed! 1:37 - 1:42 that 1 sec clip of Nastia standing there made me cringe hard. That's how she always looks during competitions, but the music and the comments suggest she was raging at Shawn inside lol. But I guess drama sells.
I agree and they made it seem like nastia didn't like Shawn coming for style when it wasn't like that. Shawn honestly just looks like she came to have fun and Nastia was injured and couldn't be 100%
@@KayyleeeeeeJana didn’t make the 2007 team because of an injury and the struggles it brought on. 2008 she just wasn’t consistent enough unfortunately. While joining the German team would have brought her to the Olympics, I admired her for saying no thanks.
It's always nice to get that reminder that Alicia Sacramone's tumbling form on floor was SO. GODDAMN. CLEAN. Like I kinda got teary-eyed watching this meet again.
Aw Nastia wasn’t really ready for this meet but she fought through it. According to NBC’s final results there were only four gymnasts in the competition! Lol
Yes, I think Nastia knew somewhere in her heart. She was on fire during that AA competition that night in Beijing...like she was merely just following her destiny to gold. I wish I could see Shawn stick one single landing her whole career besides on floor. She doesn't even need to take a step she just does out of habit...
i know Nastia's dad should be strict since he is her coach but...sometimes you could see how disappointed he is when she stumble or fall..I mean it can't be helped right? her ankles are in pretty bad shape...i think nastia works really hard and she deserves every encouragement she could get from her fans..and Dad.
Depends on what you classify as "the best". For some people being happy, living a less stressful and competitive life is "the best". It shouldn't EVER be about what the parent wants, it should be what the child wants and sometimes parent coaches who were high achievers themselves aren't the best of judges as they lack distance and perspective.
Nastia talked about her dad and having him as a coach in multiple interviews. Both of them said many times that the coach part of her dad was in the gym, and the dad part was at home, that they left the gym at the gym. Yes, he was hard on her as a coach, but depending on the athlete, some of them need or want that dynamic to be pushed.
Kaya D they have both said repeatedly this is all nastia. her parents tried to discourage her from gymnastics.... didn't work. so at this level he HAD to be tough and be coach, not dad. same with Chelsie Memel
Have you guys notice that Shawn has a trademark land in her Vault, Beam and Uneven Bars dismount. It's always a step all the time and same goes to her routines at the Olympics. I haven't seen any footage of her in these apparatus with a perfect stuck dismount.
Al: "she has never before been through a competition with this many people watching and the cameras on her face and she's doing it without a problem" Yes she has it's called the American cup
No wonder Nastya starred in episodes of the film Hold On, two years after this film at the Beijing Olympics, she will hold out on all four shells and become the Olympic Champion in all-around 🤔
I came across this one just I was watching Shawn's visit at Chow's gym with her daughter in tow. And she said she cannot think of anybody else to coach Drew(in case she would be in gymnastics) but Chow! That's shows how much respect and trust she has in her coach. I reckon Chow is a good coach, just unfortunate that he is associated with the rest of the coaches under Martha Karolyi. The backlash on the Dr. Nasser scandal shaded the work of most coaches who were actually doing a good job.
It was unfortunate but I will say it has been made clear by many that he had no mud on his name for that whole situation. He was one of the few that people never lost trust and faith in- hence his choice to leave China and return to USA coaching. He is the type of coach, along with Kyla Ross’ coaches that I wish more athletes could have.
maseratic boychik It wasn’t “marginally,” she won by a whole six tenths. A fall in that code was eight tenths. Take away her big step on bars landing, add in a fall, and she would have WON. She also tied Shawn in the qualifications for beam and was less than a tenth below her floor qualifications score. She got marginally lower scores in the beam and floor finals, but beat Shawn on beam in the all-around finals and tied her on floor in the all-around. Stop acting like Shawn was so far ahead. She wasn’t. Nastia was just struggling for so long due to a ton of different injuries that plagued her for most of her senior career. If she wasn’t so “delicate,” as her father likes to put it, she probably would have even been MORE successful. The new code of points was cruel to a gymnast like Nastia. You don’t see gymnast of her caliber anymore due to the code being too difficult. The level of difficulty is impossible for someone with her stature.
I smiled a little when Alicia Sacramone called Shawn Johnson sweetie. She is so cute and Alicia is really hot. Just saying. Anyway looking back at this, I'm really happy Shawn did so well because she is my one of my favourite of this generation.
maseratic boychik Honestly, it wasn’t really a fluke. If you watch her competitions throughout 2008, she was having errors in EVERY competitions. If she didn’t make those errors, she probably would have beaten Shawn at Nationals and even Trials. Even though Shawn’s difficulty was a tiny bit higher overall, Nastia had less built in deductions (excluding some cowboying and crossed ankles here and there). Nastia even feel in qualifications at the Olympics and STILL came in second in the all-around and even made the uneven bars final with a fall. Also, Nastia was far passed her prime at this point. Her legs were too long for her to be able to produce enough power for most elements, resulting in more watered down routines (besides bars). Anyone who says that Shawn was robbed are delusional. One more minor error and she would have gotten the bronze.
Yes I agree and I know I'm seeing this a decade later I must have had my life going on at that time lol but these commentators are absolutely without a doubt disgusting. Boy i tell ya i hope Nastia didn't listen to this shit, but I watched the Olympics and had i seen this before the Olympics i would really have cheered a hell of alot more for Nastia a gold medal all around eat that Teresa Robertson
Yes and Shawn's coach is Chinese. Coaching the Chinese style. Valeri didn't work Nastia as hard as Bela would have worked her. He burned gymnasts out at 14. Her father called her a "delicate" gymnast...he knew he couldn't work her too hard. In fact he started coaching her because after her first gymnastic lesson she came home with a busted eye area and told him she busted it doing a skill Valeri considered her not ready to be doing yet. She never had another coach besides him after that calling the shots. She never would have became what she did if they had sent her to Bela or a similar coach. They would have broke her. She never would have won Olympic AA at 19 if he had overworked her. Ignored injuries and didn't give them time to heal or had not realized Nastia was a delicate athlete. Valeri was the perfect coach for her, IMO....afterall look what he helped her achieve and "over the hill" at 18 and 19, as well. Maybe Bela should take some notes. Stop letting kids vault on broken ankles for his own notoriety. 😁👌
The editing of this video's beginning is so dramatic lol. Doom and gloom for Nastia, then suddenly rainbow and sunshine for Shawn. Anyway, Nastia's team was fantastically strategic. There was so much intelligence in the way they planned all her routines: opting for an easier vault in favor of perfect execution, and making up for that with a ridiculous bar routine, taking full advantage of connection points.
Gotta love the NBC coverage, showing all of Nastia's mistakes notwithstanding the poor kid couldn't properly work out for a year. 🙄 Poor Shawn was hit with the Christie Philliips/Kim Zmeskal curse, couldn't live up to the hype. Nastia to my mind was the best female gymnast the United States ever produced.
Poor Nastia: I think she was worked too hard by her father coach. She always looked unhappy. And Ivana Hong! Such a talent despite the very unfortunate errors.
If you watch interviews, Nastia and her dad often point out that they didn't push her into gymnastics, nor did they really encourage it. She wanted it, and pushed herself. Part of that Western European public demeanor is stoicism. It doesn't mean unhappiness, it just often looks that way compared to the bubbly public personas of Western culture.
All his gymnasts looked that way. Rebecca Bross, Katelynn Ohashi, and Nastia. They were the saddest looking gymnasts. Pooor Rebecca blew out her knee doin skills she wasn't ready to perform. She was missing all week in practice and she still threw them.
Not as hard as Bela would have worked her. He burned gymnasts out at 14. Her father called her a "delicate" gymnast...he knew he couldn't work her too hard. In fact he started coaching her because after her first gymnastic lesson she came home with a busted eye area and told him she busted it doing a skill Valeri considered her not ready to be doing yet. She never had another coach besides him after that calling the shots. She never would have became what she did if they had sent her to Bela or a similar coach. They would have broke her. She never would have won Olympic AA at 19 if he had overworked her. Ignored injuries and didn't give them time to heal or had not realized Nastia was a delicate athlete. Valeri was the perfect coach for her, IMO....afterall look what he helped her achieve and "over the hill" at 19, as well. Maybe Bela should take some notes. Stop letting kids vault on broken ankles for his own notoriety. 😁👌
@@Janellabelle it makes me mad that some people even have the nerve to say many gymnasts would be nothing if it weren't for Bela and Marta. Like it's already enough some were being "treated" by that disgusting monster but they were being physically pushed too hard. They are plenty of gymnasts that are successful without the karoyl's help
Exactly. It's the same nonsense with "African American", U can't just be an American when ur a minority, they have to constantly remind of ur race. Ugh!
They were trying to make it a "The Olympics are in China so it may be destiny" thing. They generally always mention that Nastia's dad comes from the Soviet era and that they're Russian, trying to draw a parallel between the powerhouse Russian gymnastics history. When Dominique Moceanu was in the scene, they did the same with her Romanian history. It's a way NBC likes to up the drama. Not that they do it well or in good taste, but that's just NBC and their generally terrible coverage.
Also, Chows were on the Chinese Olympic Team so they were playing into that Olympics are in China and since one of the leaders on the US team is trained by the Chows I think they were playing into that.
I hate it when the sports commentators always be bragging on nastia as long as she's doing perfect, and not making mistakes and putting her on a pedestal, but as soon as she start making mistakes they forgot about her and started focusing on and bragging on Shawn Johnson as if they're trying to make it seem like nastia and Shawn are against one another, and they're not friends because it seems like they're trying to make one gymnastic girl feel good and one feel bad
This was a great meet! Alicia Sacramone is really hot. All of the gymnasts like her, Samantha Peszek, Shawn Johnson, Chellsie Memmel, Simone Biles, and Nastia Liukin, are the best in my generation!😊😍😘🌹👊🏾
Alicia does her floor routine amazingly Al: This looks like a different kid! Tim: *Shoot. Why didn’t I say that. Also Tim: Ya, different Alicia for sure.
I'm not sure about the announcers talking about the competitors the way that they do (not kindly and overly critical), and the competitors in a space where they can hear. I think that's not okay.
I believe she was turning 15 that year which meant she could compete it was the same reason why she could compete at the olympics because that year she was turning 16 making her eligible you don’t have to be the specific age in compete you just have to be turning that age at some point during the year
i think that he has to see that she doesn't have the numbers behind her and what can you think will happen if she has an injured ankle and she's doing all 4 events on an injured ankle
Elise Xiao actually.... no. Simone never falls. lol. Simone has none right on her tail like shawn and nastia. there were others in the world very competitive with both Shawn and nastia, while Simone is in a league all her own
@@jojox9791 I've seen Simone fall a few times...you really haven't? Kaitlyn Ohashi beat her at the World Championships one year but then Ohashi retired because she was tired of being called fat.
I think Shawn should have won that gold. Nastia won with her bar routine. Where Shawn was outstanding in every event. Nastia was not. She relied on her bars set
With her body type and injuries it was practically impossible to upgrade in certain areas. She used the code to her advantage and won with a healthy margin. Nastia still has strong routines across the board. She got a medal on every event excluding bars for a reason. If anything, SHE was the true all-around gymnast.
Maybe it's just more of a "Western Culture" thing & we tend to be pretty snarky, disrespectful little brats towards our parents in comparison to a lot of other countries lol. But, from my OWN relationship with MY parents & how irritated I EVER got when either of my parents ever tried putting a negative word in in regards to my horseback riding in my training & competitions... And also from seeing it in person- my trainers daughter rode too... I just can't imagine how you could handle one of your own parents being your COACH TOO!!! Maybe some people who have never been in that position think it would be a GOOD thing for your parent to also be your coach.... But... NOOO lol. My trainers daughter NEVER listened to her- when she turned 16& got her license, she sent her & get 2 horses off to be a full time working student all summer to instead train with the Olympic rider who SHE trained with, who didn't take ANY talking back or disrespect & who was honestly kind of scary?! Because she just couldn't take her own MOM seriously enough as her trainer too & always argued and talked back & tried to defy her... Whereas the rest of us- whether we were 12, 17, 25, or 45? We were TERRIFIED of her!!! (And honestly, once I'd been training with her over 20yrs & had spent SOOOO much time around her- she started feeling like a second mom to ME & I got so much more comfortable around her- but with that, I lost my fear of her & quite a bit of the respect that came with it & started developing my own opinions and style for ways to ride& I couldn't help it- I started arguing with her & talking back & questioning things she said to me & Straight up getting into screaming matches with her both in relative "privacy" at the barn and even in public at shows & eventually I had to leave that facility & find a new trainer... I saw the same problems with my soccer teams- I played on a low level public league from about age 6-11, then tried out to be placed on a FAR more competitive, exclusive, and expensive private "Select" team from about 11-15, then I made my 4A Public School's 12 straight year state championship varsity girls soccer team my sophomore year but had to quit before my senior year to focus on my horses instead and riding in the Western Hemisphere Junior Olympics... But I definitely remember the season when we'd have a girl on the team who's father was one of our coaches- and there was ALWAYS tension there- and it always caused tention between the rest of the team because u couldn't HELP but feel the coach was playing favorites by giving his daughter more time on the field than girls who were playing better and trying harder! So, you didn't see it as much when it got more serious like on my varsity team in High School! I think I personally kinda lucked out never really getting too mad about the "favoritism for the coach's daughter" thing though when we switxhed our team format & moved me from playing center defense/fullback to instead playing Sweeper- so instead of there being multiple defense positions & usually at least 2 or 3 of us who could be depended on to play CENTER defense- Sweeper was a ONE person position- and you were basically gonna be "1st string sweeper" aka that is YOUR POSITION AND YOUR POSITION ONLY- IF YOURE ABLE TO STAND, RUN FOR TWO 45MIN HALVES ACROSS THE ENTIRE FIELD, ABLE TO KICK THAT BALL & CLEAR IT- OR 'SWEEP IT' out of your team's half clear across to the other end of the field, or immediately sprint from doing THAT to the complete opposite end of the field to be prepared to take a shot on goal?" Well. There usually isn't a 2nd "sweeper," maybe someone who plays midfield and also has a powerful, field clearing kick& is dependable to be tough& play through every game start to finish- they might be your substitute if for SOME reason you can't play... But it wasn't really a position I had to FIGHT for- I basically got selected to PLAY that position... kind of like the Keeper/Goalie is, too. But I definitely saw some seriously pissy, bitchy cattiness amongst my own team mates when the "center forwards DAD was the assistnt coach& even though she wasn't as good as so & so, she got more time on the field than so& so usually!" And it DID piss off EVERYONE because it's a TEAM sport & you're not allowing the team to play with it's best players!!! I guess in that sense it's a lot different than horseback riding OR Gymnastics... But, heck... For one, Maybe Russian parents are like, WAYYYYY scarier than American parents and that's how Nastia could come so far with her dad as her coach?! Let's just be honest here.... say if YOU were coached under Valeri Luikin in the same gym at the same level at the same time as Nastia- how could u NOT always have the thought creeping throughout the back of your mind that of COURSE he's playing favorites WITH HIS OWN DAUGHTER!!! Especially when the elite world is SOOO small and athletes only have a small window of time to be at their peak! I just don't think the whole "child & parent coach" is a very wise or successful game plan in this day and age or in this country! (if you ask me!!!) Not for the athletes who's parents coach them in solo sports such gymnastic OR in team sports such as soccer! And So WITH THAT I think it IS pretty dang amazing how Incredible Nastia's career was with her own DAD being her long time coach! That in ITSELF is an impressive feat, if u ask me!!
I think it really depends on the kid. To me, Chellsie Memmel's dad is the perfect coach for her...both here AND now as she attempts to make a return to the 2021 Olympics or Worlds.
This meet is just one of the many examples why I think Shawn should've won the gold at the Olympics. She is just wayyyy more consistent and powerful. Love Nastia, but it pains me knowing she got the gold lol
Nastia Luikin and her father were brilliant in their last year of planning. After her struggles with the ankle injury, they knew that a slow steady climb was better than hitting the circuit hard going for wins. They used 2007 and the World Championship for a test of the best order to place her moves and routines. Their plan worked to perfection. Nastia peaked right at the Culmination of the Olympics.
late, but totally agree! I still am fascinated by her AA win b/c you see so much strategy and intelligence behind her routines: choosing an easier vault in favor of perfect execution, then making up for it with a crazy bar routine that gave her massive advantage. Shawn was a fantastic gymnast, but I think in hindsight, some of her moves weren't as well thought-out. She had more difficult moves (e.g. vault) but at the cost of form deductions, which added up and let Nastia chip away the lead. Though a part of it was also their coaches had different philosophy. The Liukins wanted to win, while Chow emphasized not letting gymnastics consume the athletes. They're both fantastic gymnasts, but Nastia's team definitely was really smart in planning her win.
I always wondered how Shawn competed as a senior at 15???
@@auspicious93the rules allowed 15 year olds to compete as a senior the year before the Olympics (same reason Carly and Hollie competed at Worlds in 2003)
You are so right. They kept their heads, stayed patient and dedicated- and were rewarded with the ultimate prize. Nastia became a legend in the sport, in part because of her resilience. Five medals in one games, a feat only achieved by a very select few including the AA crown is incredible.
@@kras118 Hollie was born in December 1987, so she was already age eligible by 2003. It was Carly Patterson and Chellsie (both born in 1988) who benefited from this rule
The way they pinned Nastia and Shawn against each other was ridiculous. They were to equally beautiful and amazing gymnast in their own perspectives. They took the joy out of it for them.
Nastia is by far my favourite in nearly every way, but Shawn has to be the cleanest gymnast ever. Form always perfect. I feel like Shawn was the precursor to Simone's bodybuilder/power tumbling.
oh my gosh, you have to look at courtney mccool
Com certeza
Looking back I really hate how they tried to paint the narrative like Shawn was out to get Nastia. They were both fighting for their dreams of being national champion and making it to the Olympics. Annoying
Agreed! 1:37 - 1:42 that 1 sec clip of Nastia standing there made me cringe hard. That's how she always looks during competitions, but the music and the comments suggest she was raging at Shawn inside lol. But I guess drama sells.
I agree and they made it seem like nastia didn't like Shawn coming for style when it wasn't like that. Shawn honestly just looks like she came to have fun and Nastia was injured and couldn't be 100%
It all makes Nastia's win more satisfying. They're talking as if Nastia is this bitter old lady jealous of Shawn's gymnastics lol
I realize I really miss these days when Shawn was competing against Nastia, and Alicia was there too ... I think I must be getting old :)
You're getting old i competed back during kim miller dawes betty O days i just starting training again i just turned 40 last month lol.
Okay but the improvement between this and the Olympics for nastia was insane!!! So glad she won the 2008 Olympics ❤
I love how Chellsie was the 2005 aa world champ, Jana Bieger was the reigning aa world silver medalist yet they only focus on Nastia/Shawn
Chellsie was only competing on 1 event (floor the first night). Not sure about why not more focus was on Jana.
I wish Jana would have made the 2007 &2008 team. She was one of my faves of that quad on the American side
@@KayyleeeeeeJana didn’t make the 2007 team because of an injury and the struggles it brought on. 2008 she just wasn’t consistent enough unfortunately. While joining the German team would have brought her to the Olympics, I admired her for saying no thanks.
Tim Daggett really called it in terms of Nastia's future success despite the dumpster fire of a meet this was for her. That's some on-point intuition.
Shawn is forever my favorite gymnast. she's number one
they could have shown at least one routine from sam peszek
It's always nice to get that reminder that Alicia Sacramone's tumbling form on floor was SO. GODDAMN. CLEAN. Like I kinda got teary-eyed watching this meet again.
Aw Nastia wasn’t really ready for this meet but she fought through it. According to NBC’s final results there were only four gymnasts in the competition! Lol
And little did Nastia know she would become Olympic chamion...
+Lisa Rosenman i feel like she always believed it and that's part of what it takes to become a champion. She was magnificent
Yes, I think Nastia knew somewhere in her heart. She was on fire during that AA competition that night in Beijing...like she was merely just following her destiny to gold. I wish I could see Shawn stick one single landing her whole career besides on floor. She doesn't even need to take a step she just does out of habit...
Lady Jay Mac she stuck her bars dismount in beijing…
@maseratic boychik why do you call them NastyStans? I'm genuinely curious lol
i know Nastia's dad should be strict since he is her coach but...sometimes you could see how disappointed he is when she stumble or fall..I mean it can't be helped right? her ankles are in pretty bad shape...i think nastia works really hard and she deserves every encouragement she could get from her fans..and Dad.
He wants the best for her Daughter, is that so bad?
Depends on what you classify as "the best". For some people being happy, living a less stressful and competitive life is "the best".
It shouldn't EVER be about what the parent wants, it should be what the child wants and sometimes parent coaches who were high achievers themselves aren't the best of judges as they lack distance and perspective.
Nastia talked about her dad and having him as a coach in multiple interviews. Both of them said many times that the coach part of her dad was in the gym, and the dad part was at home, that they left the gym at the gym. Yes, he was hard on her as a coach, but depending on the athlete, some of them need or want that dynamic to be pushed.
Kaya D they have both said repeatedly this is all nastia. her parents tried to discourage her from gymnastics.... didn't work. so at this level he HAD to be tough and be coach, not dad. same with Chelsie Memel
What they say on TV and what is real life can be a difference, just keep that in mind 🧐
Is it just me or is Shawn just the most fun to watch
IKR
IKR. I LOVE Shawn!!!!
Star Tetrahedron more fun*
Nope, it’s not just you.
every time I see a Shawn performance I am more impressed with this girl's potential. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 Shawn, always respected and applauded!
Who woulda guessed that we'd still be following some of these women a decade plus later. Thanks instagram!!
Have you guys notice that Shawn has a trademark land in her Vault, Beam and Uneven Bars dismount. It's always a step all the time and same goes to her routines at the Olympics. I haven't seen any footage of her in these apparatus with a perfect stuck dismount.
giocurve during the all around competition in Beijing and in qualifying, she stuck her dismount on bars
giocurve she literally stuck her bars dismount in this competition
I've literally never seen her dismount on beam bars or vault without taking a step either. I'll keep an eye out for her bar routine here.
Al: "she has never before been through a competition with this many people watching and the cameras on her face and she's doing it without a problem"
Yes she has it's called the American cup
And the Pan American Games.
No wonder Nastya starred in episodes of the film Hold On, two years after this film at the Beijing Olympics, she will hold out on all four shells and become the Olympic Champion in all-around 🤔
I came across this one just I was watching Shawn's visit at Chow's gym with her daughter in tow. And she said she cannot think of anybody else to coach Drew(in case she would be in gymnastics) but Chow! That's shows how much respect and trust she has in her coach. I reckon Chow is a good coach, just unfortunate that he is associated with the rest of the coaches under Martha Karolyi. The backlash on the Dr. Nasser scandal shaded the work of most coaches who were actually doing a good job.
It was unfortunate but I will say it has been made clear by many that he had no mud on his name for that whole situation. He was one of the few that people never lost trust and faith in- hence his choice to leave China and return to USA coaching. He is the type of coach, along with Kyla Ross’ coaches that I wish more athletes could have.
Alicia sacremone is really beautiful her and Nastia will always be my favourites
SHAWN WAS UNBELIEVABLE! How could we not have fallen in love with her?
Shawn Johnson was pretty much the best
Not according to the judges in Beijing, unfortunately.
maseratic boychik It wasn’t “marginally,” she won by a whole six tenths. A fall in that code was eight tenths. Take away her big step on bars landing, add in a fall, and she would have WON. She also tied Shawn in the qualifications for beam and was less than a tenth below her floor qualifications score. She got marginally lower scores in the beam and floor finals, but beat Shawn on beam in the all-around finals and tied her on floor in the all-around. Stop acting like Shawn was so far ahead. She wasn’t. Nastia was just struggling for so long due to a ton of different injuries that plagued her for most of her senior career. If she wasn’t so “delicate,” as her father likes to put it, she probably would have even been MORE successful. The new code of points was cruel to a gymnast like Nastia. You don’t see gymnast of her caliber anymore due to the code being too difficult. The level of difficulty is impossible for someone with her stature.
@maseratic boychik imagine still being so salty and bothered that your favorite didn't win the olympics after TWELVE years lmao
I love Minaj (Alicia S coach). I think he is what the US needs right now. I always liked him with Alicia and Aly.
And I meant Mihai
I smiled a little when Alicia Sacramone called Shawn Johnson sweetie. She is so cute and Alicia is really hot. Just saying. Anyway looking back at this, I'm really happy Shawn did so well because she is my one of my favourite of this generation.
Love how the stupid commentators treated Nastia as the ‘senior citizen’ of elite gymnastics, then she went and won gold in the Olympic AA. 😝
Chris Hodges she slayed all of them😂😂😂
maseratic boychik Honestly, it wasn’t really a fluke. If you watch her competitions throughout 2008, she was having errors in EVERY competitions. If she didn’t make those errors, she probably would have beaten Shawn at Nationals and even Trials. Even though Shawn’s difficulty was a tiny bit higher overall, Nastia had less built in deductions (excluding some cowboying and crossed ankles here and there). Nastia even feel in qualifications at the Olympics and STILL came in second in the all-around and even made the uneven bars final with a fall. Also, Nastia was far passed her prime at this point. Her legs were too long for her to be able to produce enough power for most elements, resulting in more watered down routines (besides bars). Anyone who says that Shawn was robbed are delusional. One more minor error and she would have gotten the bronze.
@@victorbeauregarde1502 that's an opinion and not a very educated one going by the 2008 cop
Yes I agree and I know I'm seeing this a decade later I must have had my life going on at that time lol but these commentators are absolutely without a doubt disgusting. Boy i tell ya i hope Nastia didn't listen to this shit, but I watched the Olympics and had i seen this before the Olympics i would really have cheered a hell of alot more for Nastia a gold medal all around eat that Teresa Robertson
I hope to God Tim Daggett and who ever that other man is are retired!!
Ivana Hong screwed up her beam, it was stellar until that dismount, and she landed on her butt and rolled back. Poor Ivana.
Shawn Johnson is one of my favs! Powerhouse.
okay but alicia NAILED that floor routine wow
The gymnastics starts at 2:45
The coaching for Nastia and Shawn is very different
Nastias father is Russian it is the Russian style.
Yes and Shawn's coach is Chinese. Coaching the Chinese style. Valeri didn't work Nastia as hard as Bela would have worked her. He burned gymnasts out at 14. Her father called her a "delicate" gymnast...he knew he couldn't work her too hard. In fact he started coaching her because after her first gymnastic lesson she came home with a busted eye area and told him she busted it doing a skill Valeri considered her not ready to be doing yet. She never had another coach besides him after that calling the shots. She never would have became what she did if they had sent her to Bela or a similar coach. They would have broke her. She never would have won Olympic AA at 19 if he had overworked her. Ignored injuries and didn't give them time to heal or had not realized Nastia was a delicate athlete. Valeri was the perfect coach for her, IMO....afterall look what he helped her achieve and "over the hill" at 18 and 19, as well. Maybe Bela should take some notes. Stop letting kids vault on broken ankles for his own notoriety. 😁👌
I love Shawn! 💜
The editing of this video's beginning is so dramatic lol. Doom and gloom for Nastia, then suddenly rainbow and sunshine for Shawn. Anyway, Nastia's team was fantastically strategic. There was so much intelligence in the way they planned all her routines: opting for an easier vault in favor of perfect execution, and making up for that with a ridiculous bar routine, taking full advantage of connection points.
Nastia pushes herself harder than her father does normally when training. He has said this repeatedly in interviews.
Gotta love the NBC coverage, showing all of Nastia's mistakes notwithstanding the poor kid couldn't properly work out for a year. 🙄 Poor Shawn was hit with the Christie Philliips/Kim Zmeskal curse, couldn't live up to the hype. Nastia to my mind was the best female gymnast the United States ever produced.
sacrament can really fly!
Poor Nastia: I think she was worked too hard by her father coach. She always looked unhappy.
And Ivana Hong! Such a talent despite the very unfortunate errors.
If you watch interviews, Nastia and her dad often point out that they didn't push her into gymnastics, nor did they really encourage it. She wanted it, and pushed herself. Part of that Western European public demeanor is stoicism. It doesn't mean unhappiness, it just often looks that way compared to the bubbly public personas of Western culture.
All his gymnasts looked that way. Rebecca Bross, Katelynn Ohashi, and Nastia. They were the saddest looking gymnasts. Pooor Rebecca blew out her knee doin skills she wasn't ready to perform. She was missing all week in practice and she still threw them.
Not as hard as Bela would have worked her. He burned gymnasts out at 14. Her father called her a "delicate" gymnast...he knew he couldn't work her too hard. In fact he started coaching her because after her first gymnastic lesson she came home with a busted eye area and told him she busted it doing a skill Valeri considered her not ready to be doing yet. She never had another coach besides him after that calling the shots. She never would have became what she did if they had sent her to Bela or a similar coach. They would have broke her. She never would have won Olympic AA at 19 if he had overworked her. Ignored injuries and didn't give them time to heal or had not realized Nastia was a delicate athlete. Valeri was the perfect coach for her, IMO....afterall look what he helped her achieve and "over the hill" at 19, as well. Maybe Bela should take some notes. Stop letting kids vault on broken ankles for his own notoriety. 😁👌
@@Janellabelle it makes me mad that some people even have the nerve to say many gymnasts would be nothing if it weren't for Bela and Marta. Like it's already enough some were being "treated" by that disgusting monster but they were being physically pushed too hard. They are plenty of gymnasts that are successful without the karoyl's help
shawn is so awsome get it girl!
shawn is amazing
Al seems unusually obsessed with Nastia’s age. They set her up the whole time saying “she’s so tired n old” creeps
I love these Gymanastic meets even thought is 2018
It's my favorite sport
I MISS SHAWN SO MUCH :( LOVE HER TO DEATH
omg wtf nastia did a fhs double front!!!! I can barley do a fhs layout!!!!!
She is an Olympic Champoin and 5 times olympic meadlist. Inculding a brozen on floor.
why "chinese coach"? just say he's her coach
Because the olympics are we're in Beijing, China and that is where her coach is from.
Exactly. It's the same nonsense with "African American", U can't just be an American when ur a minority, they have to constantly remind of ur race. Ugh!
They were trying to make it a "The Olympics are in China so it may be destiny" thing. They generally always mention that Nastia's dad comes from the Soviet era and that they're Russian, trying to draw a parallel between the powerhouse Russian gymnastics history. When Dominique Moceanu was in the scene, they did the same with her Romanian history. It's a way NBC likes to up the drama. Not that they do it well or in good taste, but that's just NBC and their generally terrible coverage.
Also, Chows were on the Chinese Olympic Team so they were playing into that Olympics are in China and since one of the leaders on the US team is trained by the Chows I think they were playing into that.
@@youngcontrarian8532. Thank the white people in charge.
Shawn was awesome but I’ve never seen her stick a landing. Her floor landings were good though
She stuck her bars landing here at 33:00 :)
Good job Shawn
A full twisting double!! That’s crazy!!
Who won? What are the scores? Did I missed that in the video?
Once a Day,5 hours say about Shawn Johnson Whoa. To me that a beast HOLY CRAP!!!
Ivana Hong, the first of the many GAGE athletes who doesn’t have a good enough ring leap form. GAGE- figure that out.
they always zoom in on there face when they present
I hate it when the sports commentators always be bragging on nastia as long as she's doing perfect, and not making mistakes and putting her on a pedestal, but as soon as she start making mistakes they forgot about her and started focusing on and bragging on Shawn Johnson as if they're trying to make it seem like nastia and Shawn are against one another, and they're not friends because it seems like they're trying to make one gymnastic girl feel good and one feel bad
I love her!
My phone was blurry who won
Did they get rid of the "no one touch warmup" rule that was such a big deal a couple years earlier? It was a shitty rule.
Holy that uneven bar d score
I love watchinc
she means that Nastia's leotard was a bit crazy. I'm assuming because Nastia never wears black. :)
The comments are so bad for Nastia here, mean, she won at the end, poor Shawn.
Shawn won, not Nastia
I think they're talking about the olympics
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This was a great meet! Alicia Sacramone is really hot. All of the gymnasts like her, Samantha Peszek, Shawn Johnson, Chellsie Memmel, Simone Biles, and Nastia Liukin, are the best in my generation!😊😍😘🌹👊🏾
I despise every time Tim says "They're like a kid on a playground". Pick a different analogy that doesn't compare them to children, geez.
MissLilRedRooster, he’s not comparing them to children. Ffs
on 6:34 that's SHAWN JOHNSON!!!!!!!♡
I'm sorry, but what are you talking about?
Alicia does her floor routine amazingly
Al: This looks like a different kid!
Tim: *Shoot. Why didn’t I say that.
Also Tim: Ya, different Alicia for sure.
i dont think its out there at all..
Ivona should have got points for still flipping from the beam to floor. 😂
Nastia shouldn't have competed here- its blatantly obvious she wasn't ready, and was clearly still injured.
I'm not sure about the announcers talking about the competitors the way that they do (not kindly and overly critical), and the competitors in a space where they can hear. I think that's not okay.
Alicia's double arabian was so nice!
Does anyone agree that Ivana hong is a beautiful dancer
Wow Shayla Worley was fantastic
i want to give couch Jeff Wood a huge bear hug
It’s called a “cover-up,” guys! Per Elfie! Thank god she speaks gymnastics and can decode it for the rest of us.
I really wish he would say Nastia’s name right 😒
Ikr!! They keep saying Nastia Leeookin...
TD Bank
0:10 won't that cut her circulation
bubblehumble baby no it wouldn't. The tape is tight so it stabilises her ankle, but not so tight that it cuts off the circulation
17:23
its a opinion. leave her alone.
I think that Nastia is better
TTT to 55
Still no explanation why Ivana Hong was able to compete in this meet , worlds etc. at 14🤔
I believe she was turning 15 that year which meant she could compete it was the same reason why she could compete at the olympics because that year she was turning 16 making her eligible you don’t have to be the specific age in compete you just have to be turning that age at some point during the year
I didnt know he was her father 😳
the people yelling when the gymnast are on bars is so annoying, im sure it is a bit off putting to the gymnasts.
I think Nastia's dad/coach is a bit hard on her
Of course he is!
i think that he has to see that she doesn't have the numbers behind her and what can you think will happen if she has an injured ankle and she's doing all 4 events on an injured ankle
Shawn is the Simone of 2008, Nadia of 2008.
Elise Xiao actually.... no. Simone never falls. lol. Simone has none right on her tail like shawn and nastia. there were others in the world very competitive with both Shawn and nastia, while Simone is in a league all her own
@@jojox9791 I've seen Simone fall a few times...you really haven't? Kaitlyn Ohashi beat her at the World Championships one year but then Ohashi retired because she was tired of being called fat.
maseratic boychik PERIOD POO PERIOD POP OFF THIS GIRL KNOWS NOTHING
it's disgusting the way they are talking about nastia
LOL @21:20
I love Nastia but she is so inconsistent
I think Shawn should have won that gold. Nastia won with her bar routine. Where Shawn was outstanding in every event. Nastia was not. She relied on her bars set
With her body type and injuries it was practically impossible to upgrade in certain areas. She used the code to her advantage and won with a healthy margin. Nastia still has strong routines across the board. She got a medal on every event excluding bars for a reason. If anything, SHE was the true all-around gymnast.
Nastia stuck her vault, beam and floor. Shawn stuck her bars. Yet Nastia only won becuz of her bars? Lol.
Maybe it's just more of a "Western Culture" thing & we tend to be pretty snarky, disrespectful little brats towards our parents in comparison to a lot of other countries lol. But, from my OWN relationship with MY parents & how irritated I EVER got when either of my parents ever tried putting a negative word in in regards to my horseback riding in my training & competitions... And also from seeing it in person- my trainers daughter rode too... I just can't imagine how you could handle one of your own parents being your COACH TOO!!! Maybe some people who have never been in that position think it would be a GOOD thing for your parent to also be your coach.... But... NOOO lol. My trainers daughter NEVER listened to her- when she turned 16& got her license, she sent her & get 2 horses off to be a full time working student all summer to instead train with the Olympic rider who SHE trained with, who didn't take ANY talking back or disrespect & who was honestly kind of scary?! Because she just couldn't take her own MOM seriously enough as her trainer too & always argued and talked back & tried to defy her... Whereas the rest of us- whether we were 12, 17, 25, or 45? We were TERRIFIED of her!!!
(And honestly, once I'd been training with her over 20yrs & had spent SOOOO much time around her- she started feeling like a second mom to ME & I got so much more comfortable around her- but with that, I lost my fear of her & quite a bit of the respect that came with it & started developing my own opinions and style for ways to ride& I couldn't help it- I started arguing with her & talking back & questioning things she said to me & Straight up getting into screaming matches with her both in relative "privacy" at the barn and even in public at shows & eventually I had to leave that facility & find a new trainer... I saw the same problems with my soccer teams- I played on a low level public league from about age 6-11, then tried out to be placed on a FAR more competitive, exclusive, and expensive private "Select" team from about 11-15, then I made my 4A Public School's 12 straight year state championship varsity girls soccer team my sophomore year but had to quit before my senior year to focus on my horses instead and riding in the Western Hemisphere Junior Olympics... But I definitely remember the season when we'd have a girl on the team who's father was one of our coaches- and there was ALWAYS tension there- and it always caused tention between the rest of the team because u couldn't HELP but feel the coach was playing favorites by giving his daughter more time on the field than girls who were playing better and trying harder! So, you didn't see it as much when it got more serious like on my varsity team in High School! I think I personally kinda lucked out never really getting too mad about the "favoritism for the coach's daughter" thing though when we switxhed our team format & moved me from playing center defense/fullback to instead playing Sweeper- so instead of there being multiple defense positions & usually at least 2 or 3 of us who could be depended on to play CENTER defense- Sweeper was a ONE person position- and you were basically gonna be "1st string sweeper" aka that is YOUR POSITION AND YOUR POSITION ONLY- IF YOURE ABLE TO STAND, RUN FOR TWO 45MIN HALVES ACROSS THE ENTIRE FIELD, ABLE TO KICK THAT BALL & CLEAR IT- OR 'SWEEP IT' out of your team's half clear across to the other end of the field, or immediately sprint from doing THAT to the complete opposite end of the field to be prepared to take a shot on goal?" Well. There usually isn't a 2nd "sweeper," maybe someone who plays midfield and also has a powerful, field clearing kick& is dependable to be tough& play through every game start to finish- they might be your substitute if for SOME reason you can't play... But it wasn't really a position I had to FIGHT for- I basically got selected to PLAY that position... kind of like the Keeper/Goalie is, too. But I definitely saw some seriously pissy, bitchy cattiness amongst my own team mates when the "center forwards DAD was the assistnt coach& even though she wasn't as good as so & so, she got more time on the field than so& so usually!" And it DID piss off EVERYONE because it's a TEAM sport & you're not allowing the team to play with it's best players!!! I guess in that sense it's a lot different than horseback riding OR Gymnastics...
But, heck... For one, Maybe Russian parents are like, WAYYYYY scarier than American parents and that's how Nastia could come so far with her dad as her coach?! Let's just be honest here.... say if YOU were coached under Valeri Luikin in the same gym at the same level at the same time as Nastia- how could u NOT always have the thought creeping throughout the back of your mind that of COURSE he's playing favorites WITH HIS OWN DAUGHTER!!! Especially when the elite world is SOOO small and athletes only have a small window of time to be at their peak!
I just don't think the whole "child & parent coach" is a very wise or successful game plan in this day and age or in this country! (if you ask me!!!) Not for the athletes who's parents coach them in solo sports such gymnastic OR in team sports such as soccer!
And So WITH THAT I think it IS pretty dang amazing how Incredible Nastia's career was with her own DAD being her long time coach! That in ITSELF is an impressive feat, if u ask me!!
I think it really depends on the kid. To me, Chellsie Memmel's dad is the perfect coach for her...both here AND now as she attempts to make a return to the 2021 Olympics or Worlds.
Shawn always had the ugliest leos
I think that leo is beautiful
This meet is just one of the many examples why I think Shawn should've won the gold at the Olympics. She is just wayyyy more consistent and powerful. Love Nastia, but it pains me knowing she got the gold lol
It pains you knowing that she got the gold? No, she deserved that Olympic AA titled. What a ridiculous statement.
Wow Nastia's leo is a little out there
Its beautiful