This is the best video youve put out. Visual examples from a game from over a decade ago of exactly what we have been begging for. The eyes tracking the ball. The seamless animations. Forget all the bells and whistles. All of the X Factor bloat that has been added. These are the core things that need to be implemented before even thinking about extra features.
This has been don ad nauseum over the years but willfully ignored because of MUH Madden Syndrome. Better grab a copy of AP2K8 while you got a chance. Peeps are finally waking up and the price will rise on this game. It truly is a classic. Within the game during rain or snow, a player slip, lose balance and actually attempt to regain footing. Never seen in any Madden game. Hundreds of animations you won't see in a game made in 2023 on a super console. Buy APF2K8. You WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.
You know it's bad when EA says they're releasing Madden 24 to keep their jobs, and then they release a big old polished turd. Fire the current EA team, and find us a team of football fanatics to release an authentic football sim. It makes me miss ESPN Football
100% spot on. EA Sports, and Madden 24 are crap. I have a Right to say this, because I have purchased every Madden Football game since the first game came out for the Sega Genesis in 1990. Im in total agreement that EA should lose their NFL Exclusive Rights.
This is why I'll never stop playing APF 2k8. It's leagues ahead of what madden fails to do every year or better yet in decades. This is an embarrassment compared to APF 2k8.
This was the difference between 2k and EA. The staff at 2k made a great simulated football game with fictional teams/legendary players. EA 15 years later with the exclusive license still hasn't lived up to what 2k did for 2k5 or 2k8 all pro. We the consumers need to hit em where it hurts and stop buying the game, plain and simple.
That’s cute that you think you’re their target audience. They could care less about people like you and I who actually crave a simulation type game. They’re only concern is how do we get the streamers to open packs on stream and create that FOMO from other people so that we can steal their money even more so than buy asking 70 dollars for this bs game. I believe that if you’re sole purpose to release a video game is to force micro transactions, then your game should be free. Especially since I’m essentially playing madden 16 for the past 8 years. Could be even worse, 16 is just when I started playing madden.
@@Nitrousedstang Hit stick doesn't bother me. The games were just better back then and much higher quality in every aspect. I think only the mindless act like you while on the internet. I never meet people like you in real life. Strange.
@@MrTimLee84That's the first step in getting them to lose the license. But every year it seems like people need their fix of this garbage. I haven't bought Madden in 11 years and I don't miss it. But there's too many weak minded fools and MUT whales that still do.
Such a great video full of truth Sir! I was playing APFK8 yesterday and I had visit over my house watching me battle it out between the Raiders vs Joe Montana’s 49ers in this great game. It was a close game until the last 2 minutes of the 4th Quarter. A very realistic display of sim football was on display with big hits, interceptions, sacks, fumbles, and touchdowns. My guest sat there and watched the entire game screaming and at times clapping at seeing the violent sport of football action unfold before his eyes in such a realistic, organic, and beautiful way. This game is a true gem. Those who have no clue what a sim football game is and should be, will never understand what they’re missing and how much EA has been riding them for all these years. I kind of feel bad for them but at the same time don’t. Why? Because they have chosen to look the other way and bow down to a false idol that is EAs Madden’s false sim football games. The standard is and will always be 2K sim sport football games. You want to play a realistic football game, go get yourself a copy of NFL 2K5, or better yet, APF 2K8…and watch the beauty unfold.
APF2K8 makes Madden look like preschool levels of programming with how far ahead it is. The fact that a PS3 and 360 game based somewhat on PS2 and original XBOX code can outperform a game made on the most powerful consoles we ever had shows just how badly EA needs to lose the license. Any company that cares about the sport they work on would be embarrassed at how badly they get outperformed by 2K8, which truthfully shows me that the people in charge at EA do not care about the sport of football.
Honestly it’s most sad for the kids. I’m 22 so I grew up with all the best football games. What a shame that 99% of kids under 12 have no idea what real football game feels like. When I have kids even if it’s 2030+ I’m getting them 2k8 and earlier maddens.
Can you imagine a football game with 2k’s ProPlay technology? Would be insane. I’m not optimistic that EA will lose the NFL license because all the MUT players and streamers continue to spend hundreds of dollars on packs and EA makes money off them and streamers make money off it. Why would EA change anything? They don’t care about delivering an actual football game, they care about making money and always will.
I would be playing 2K8 still if the servers were still up....shout out to the SIM community that played that game. Some of the best football gaming ever experienced.
I'm at the point where I don't even care what madden does. I've given up, just like they have. Make all pro football 2k8 and ncaa 14 backwards compatible on xbox series X and I'll be happy. Also, that Walter Payton stutter step clip at 4:51 is awesome
I am currently working on setting up Madden 08 the PC version on my computer. Supposedly there are a ton of mods for this release that make it much, much better. It is just wonky to work with. The game is now free through the public domain thanks to its age and being considered abandon ware now. But, the mods include updated graphics, game play rules like kick off and PAT distances, updated jersies, tons of rosters, tons of actual draft classes. So far I have the base game and the update patch working. I am about to add in the mods, but the way Madden 08 is, different mods need different mod managers to install, so it gets a bit tedious. What I hope to see when I am done is supposedly the best NFL simulation possible with some special sliders and game settings with these mods that are supposed to be really close to the actual NFL stats. We'll see.
When I sit and look at how much fucking money EA has made from Madden the last 6 7 years it’s mind blowing to think that they have the nerve to release the same product every year.
This is spot on moody.. ive always pointed out the download size of madden vs 2k and its absurd. Tells you alone,how much work is put in each respective game
Also, 2K8 was ahead of its time. Back then, people didn't want to play a football game without the NFL license. Now, I feel like it would have been a success. Even if they didn't use NFL legends .
@@RyanMoody21 I think because at the time 2k was focused solely on making it accurate to modern football and no franchise mode or deep one , even though i fully get why they didn't because i know they wanted to eventually down the road
Maybe because they knew if they didn't have the NFLPA license or the real teams, they HAD to make a great playing game. To me, the names on the jerseys don't mean anything to me. I had my most fun with creating a cupcake team of nobodies, not allowing myself to sign any player higher than a 75OVR in FA, and needing to rebuild through the draft of randomly generated players. My Rams team drafted a first round runningback named Cris Andrews who went on to break Emmitt Smith's all time rushing record by going over 23,000 yards in his career. A DT named John Stone who ran a 4.70 40 at 343lbs who wrecked the league with 15-20 sacks a season. A surefire HOF WR who was racking up 1,000 yards seasons year after year until he had a season ending injury and missed all but one game of the season. He came back the following year and was a shell of his former self and never came close to 1000 yards ever again. Just give me a good playing product, and I can create my own immersion. I did this with Madden 2008. I created a league full of cupcake teams and replaced the entire NFL with them. The results were hilarious! Only 3 QBs throwing for over 3000 yards. Only one QB threw more TDs than INTs and it was like 17-15. The best kicker only made 58% of his kicks.
We should just cherish that an awesome simulation game like All Pro 2k8 is out there for us to use. Like everyone has posted, EA is so ingrained with the MUT pack gravy train they have no motivation to make a game that equals All Pro 2k8. But glad you are posting these The Truth is out there videos that Madden is a sham. The proof is in the replay.
this man is almost single handedly fighting the most hated video game company.. the day EA looses the exclusive contract its gonna be a party in the streets
When I went to EA they were very nice, when they started talking about changing my content - I had to go. Im glad they give creators like TallGuy and TrumpetMonkey a change to grow the channels they have - but the game improving at such a slow rate.
If EA put half the effort into programming that they do into inventing their b.s. marketing euphemisms they’d make one helluva game. Great vid, Ryan. One of your best ever. 🏆
Truth is 2k could never match Madden in sales even before they had nfl exclusivity.They lost and haven’t been able to come back. 2k8 is out dated and irrelevant for players who want current simulation football. I have 2k5 and 2k8. I play Madden because it’s current and until 2k steps up and gets back in the game, I’ll continue to do so.
@@RyanMoody21 Kudos to you man I know this takes a toll on you all these years you've been staying on EA's neck I applaud you I've been with you the whole way you give me hope we'll have the type of football game we've been dying for.
I am positive with EA I'm positive that they need to lose their license.😂😂 you got it Ryan but all seriousness I appreciate you breaking up the element of actual football. Understanding the height on the ball understanding defense and wide receiver interaction understanding what the line is supposed to do All Pro 2K is the prime example of actual simulation football
2K Sports is hands down way better than EA Sports! You are 💯 percent correct in that the NFL (for the sake of a quality football game) needs to relinquish their exclusive rights with EA Sports! Sega NFL2K needs to come back (please 😢)!
I have sacked qbs with 2 blockers on me plenty of times, tackling thru the blocks. That is realistic. Running right thru the second blocker like he wasnt even there like the 2k vid is not.
So glad your focusing on the consoles they're being released on. I'm currently playing Starfield on Xbox series X. Looking back at Bethesdas game "Oblivion" on Xbox 360 and comparing it to Starfield, you can SEE the improvements. They didn't need notes and made up technology to sell you on the game. Looking at 3 mins of Starfield footage you can see the improved graphics, the facial and lip sync technology. Extremely detailed planets with minimal to no load times. When I'm playing it, you can tell this couldn't be done on last gen. At no point have I ever looked at Madden and thought "Man, I can see why you need a PS5 to play this. They are really taking advantage of the system." In Starfield, you can leave a item on one of the 1000 planets in the game, play through hundreds of quests and return to that planet and that item would still be there. In Madden? They cant make double team blocks work......in their football game.....smh.
Respect for this. This is a big reason I quit playing online and I finally purchase the game after two years of not playing because I upgraded to a next GEN system. It is played by the same exact problems. It was on madden 15. My pulling guard has a brain aneurysm and turns back around to do the running back still. I am also extremely glad that you brought up the archetypes, and I think plenty of the ratings on madden are useless for God sakes there is a “change of direction” rating what is agility then ? What is acceleration? It doesn’t make sense
It's not that difficult to understand... speed = how fast, acceleration = time it takes to reach said players max speed, agility = ability to follow up moves with another, elusiveness = speed of juke or spin, and finally change of direction = speed capability of the left analog (ability to go back and forth faster).
Love seeing the number being compared 😮that’s is shocking !! With today’s technology a 2k football would be mind blowing Hoping madden follows the live series into the bin 🎉
Couldnt agree more, they cant fix the real issuse because they are trying clean up user exploits. And thats not saying 2k didnt have them - but they werent as prevalent.
All Pro Football 2K8 > Madden 24. I can deal with the graphics and licensing and will take real players on fake teams all day over real teams/players with unrealistic football.
6:07 Exactly, and they still haven't even fixed it🤦🏾♂️ can't forget about your defensive guys letting the ball go right over their heads when they can literally make a play on it or just being able to make a play in general when the ball is literally right next to them
A few corrections before I really get into this here... *Further Proof EA Needs To Lose The NFL License Also, if you really and I mean REALLY want to show folks how badly this has fallen off the cliff, do this but with Madden 07 for the PS2 (you can probably do the same for 08 & 09) and then hit 11 & 12 for the PS3. After that, I'd say 25 & 16 for the PS3. 07 to me is the true GOAT of the PS2 genre and honestly, Madden in general as a series. It didn't get this high again. 08 fell short, 09 same. Nothing really came close to touching 07 pound for pound and then there's 21.3 aka 24. This game in all seriousness, should be loaded to the gills with features galore. This game should be so deep, it's literally costing people their jobs cause they can't peel away from it. The real case that needs to be driven into people's skulls is this USED TO BE something special. This USED TO BE something we as fans looked forward to every Summer. EA USED TO BE a company that didn't have to be told what we wanted, cause they knew what we were there for and they had us covered. UNTIL THEY DIDN'T ANYMORE. USED TO BE you didn't mute the soundtracks in the menu screens cause there were headbangers up and down the place. The last time Madden had a decent soundtrack was 12, FYI. If you stitched together every major thing that was taken away from each game or just over the years, then amplified it to the max, we'd have a Madden everyone could be happy with.
We the people how so much power, we can all stop buying this bs forcing them to make what we want. If we stop giving ea our money for madden guarantee the nfl look for video game partnership elsewhere
That made no sense. That initiating tackler should have been laid out or pancaked. There aren't enough clanging and collision animations. They just focus so much on making the game look realistic, but they don't work under the hood to make it run smoothly. If they can make the players walk on the field and dance in cut scenes, they should be able to make them play well on the field. It just shows you where EA's commitment in this game lies.
No lies detected. If there was competition, Madden would fold just like NBA Live did. Guess what gaming company make NBA Live tap out? 2k! A company that care about the games they make.
And now they care about monetization. With their latest version, they have THREE versions of a game pass...this is after you already buy the game at full price, on top of the other monetization they already do. The NBA 2k fans have been complaining about this for the last couple of years now.
I think people forget 2k in basketball was not the market leader. It took them to like 2008 to become that. 2k Is just better they do not have an exclusive license. There are some things I don’t like. But at least the game looks amazing on PS5 and series x and s.
The players are unaware of their position relative to other entities on the field ie: players have 0 awareness of their distance from the goal line or sidelines and phasing through players is a byproduct of a similar issue.
And they would charge you for everything you see. 2K is not the answer. If you think MUT is bad for football, just look at what they've been doing to their basketball game.
@@eduardopena5893exactly. Why tf should I fork over 100 dollars just to have a competitive my player for offline gameplay?? 2k is an even bigger joke for microtransactions. I’d prolly have to buy roster updates that’s how greedy they are.
@@eduardopena5893yup 2K was very good at their previous football games they made but just like EA they realized they can make a shit load of money doing the bare minimum
I recently just tracked down an Xbox 360, just so I could play NFL 2k5. I was nervous about how bad graphics would be, etc...I gotta say...the semi bad graphics thing goes away in 5 minutes. This game is unreal. I'm playing it right now. I could go on and on and on about how good this game is and how in depth it is. It would take way too long. Anyone young who is trying to play madden...stop, get the emulator, get an old Xbox because graphics are a bit better and get a 2k football game! I mean...you can set your own camera. The way they talk about individual players and what they're doing. The weekly recaps. It's unreal. I did, but didn't realize how bad madden really was. Blowwwwn away! Love all the videos. EA needs to hear it
Sad that some things in this game were just now added to madden. This game is the GOAT football sim. Only thing madden has over it is obviously graphics, NFL license, and a franchise mode. This game has the best throwing, pocket, blocking, downfield blocking AI play especially on defense, ball trajectory. Injuries and the teammates actually call for the medic and the team reacts. Weather impacts games. Pre game and presentation is better. Throwing animation on the run and stationary look great still. Catching animation, running animations. 2k cared and made the best Sim to date. Madden doesn't play like a sim. It is really an arcade. 2K8 IS THE GOLD STANDARD FOR FOOTBALL SIMS
This is my absolute favorite and mic drop video this channel has ever made. I absolutely hate what Madden has become. I'm at the point in my life now where I can look back on my childhood and truly appreciate what the team at 2K did with their football games. EA Sports knew it and ruined it for everyone else but themselves... they KNOW if there's competition that their gravy train is finally over. The young kids these days don't know any better and honestly they won't take the time to go back and find those older titles to compare truth videos such as this and see for themselves ... they're easily persuaded by hype trailers and garbage promises that EA makes every year. Keep up the amazing work, brother... as I truly believe that there will come a day where EA no longer holds the exclusive license and the arcade loving trolls will be forced to play a true football sim game.
Thanks for watching my content, you a legit legend. I actually often refer back to the ticket video to inspire me to explain things in a fun, comical and entertaining way.
Atleast you actually show the problems that this game continues to have. No one else does this. We need more people in the community like you to force EA to implement change. Keep it up! ;)
Ryan wants what we all want: a fundamentally sound gameplay experience with a franchise mode that provides depth. I notice yall hating ryan for pointing out madden’s flaws. Yall need to stop whining and going against the grain when you could be helping the problem by tweeting EA and letting them know of your dissatisfaction with madden24
I unistalled my free copy over the holiday. Final online record was 50-36 …..for some odd reason going on a win streak your defense literally just does not work for the next 3 to 4 games. Safeties not covering down field, LBs getting pancaked 88% of the game. On offense Guys warping into my receivers for INTs, lineman not pass blocking. Real weird shit…but you play this game long enough and you see all of this bullshit more and more….scripted FG blocks are still a thing too smh….
@@ongo_yahzo yea shits bogus….the last play that made me uninstall my safety literally stood in his zone as the receiver ran at him and cut on a corner route……my safety never moved…..I lost the game. I also cannot stand that game planning bullshit. You have to sacrifice the run game to cover the receivers? Or I won’t be able to throw as efficiently if I choose a stronger run game. It doesn’t work and I feel like it breaks the game….let ME use my IQ and skill to play the fucking game lol smh…..it’s hopeless…..
@TheBlackAkatsuki88 ivwas thinking to myself last night....we have to play against the opponent and against the coding of the 🎮. So it's a 3 vs 1 every 🎮. When that light turned on in my mind I went on a 5 game win run. That was long as I could hold it til I got tired and lost again. I'm fighting to get out of this -11 🎮 🛝. Always keep in mind that they have WEE'd the damn 🎮 with irritating suction animation. Play effectively & efficiently as possible against that make your squad animate against the other bs animations.
@@ongo_yahzo exactly! The video Ryan showed where your blockers chase a guy OUT OF the play that’s BEHIND the play running into your running back resulting in you getting a tackle for a loss, I love running the football and it wholeheartedly pisses me off when I have a hole big enough to fit TWO Lizzos and I get tackled cause my TE ran backwards to chase a blitzing corner. Such a sad fucking game bro smh so I went ahead and uninstalled 😂🤣😂 it’s the same game smh.
NBA2K at least tries to get better every year, even years they don’t get it completely right, they at least tried. Their franchise mode is Leagues above Maddens, down to scouting and staffing
2K had something special with APF. They really screwed up by not making a sequel and adding a shit ton of game modes to it like 2k5 had. They could of made a ton of money off of it. APF didn’t sell well because it had a one and done season and limited customization.
i swear to god that positive joke had me rollin for at least 2 min straight. lol great vid as always ryan! you should do this with more games. you dont have to be as harsh as madden but your insight helps the average consumer.
I remember years ago (visual concepts company at the time ) had NFL players come in an mo cap their signature moves would have been in NFL2K if when the next generation systems come I believe was xbox 360 ps3 era so 2ksports was already ahead of madden that exclusive license mess up everything.
I understand the NFL might now fully allow that today - but the lack of effort EA has is unreal. And this is why EA made such a big deal about "AWS" being able to bring in real life reactions and movement - and yet its gone after so long.
@@marqicewalker1766 All you have to do is play as any of the iconic teams from 1960 to today and you'll see every single player with their own animations, how they shoot, how they celebrate, defend and even act when they're fouled For example when Mutombo blocks he waves his finger and say "No no no" at the person he blocked like he did in real life Magic Johnson did his behind the back passes and his hop around the head passes in the game like he did in real life Michael Jordan sticks his tongue out when he dunks like in real life Madden has legendary players on mut and none of them have their famous animations I saw a mut player get a hard hitting tackle and fumble with Ray Lewis and all he did was walk back when he would do his dance and arm gestures at any play like that in real life
@@eduardopena5893 That’s not only vague but it’s just one thing. Madden hasn’t added anything of substance to the game. We’re comparing it to madden 06. You can’t say the same for 2k. I’d have to create long ass paragraphs to explain why this is a dumb conversation so I asked you and honestly anyone else to explain how 2k is “as bad or worse”🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
I also think that NFL Head Coach 09 is far away better than any Madden game that came before it or after it in terms of sheer depth. Of course it wasn't a user playable game, you were simply a Head Coach. But that coaching tree people are asking for? That was in there. Body part specific damage and correlating injuries if that body part sustained too much damage. Player and coach personalities that played out in contract negotiations. Player knowledge meant something because players had to learn your playbook. If this game was simply re-made, add in Owner Mode, make it user playable, add in create a team and team relocation, and just update the graphics and the rosters, it would be the best game ever.
@@RyanMoody21 And the sad thing is, Josh Looman was a big part of that game, and they brought him on board for Madden 25 to fix franchise mode. He was let go before the next Madden and he lamented that they didn't even do half the things he wanted to for Madden.
Please 2K I beg get your license back with the NFL! Every Madden has been so disappointing with fierce for years. You so right Moody about the real details about simulation football. Madden hasn't yet accomplished that with all the broken promises that so call provided. What a fuccing shame EA smfh!
The fact that Madden STILL fails compared to a 16 yr old game is mind blowing. For context: imagine Madden on the Genesis being more technically sound than 2K5
@@RyanMoody21 NFL 2k5 looks pretty good when you upscale it to 4K HD. Even Madden 08 for the PC version before I add in the HD mods doesn't look too bad.
They need to hire real people who knows how to program and render animation separately 1 by 1 just like what backbreaker did and just like espn did. Better yet they need to hire an honest person whos not in it for the money but for the love of the game as yourself ryan. U have my vote my man. 😂
Its funny but im in the UK and soccer games followed a similar pattern , EA always had the official licence but Konami made the better game with Pro Evoloution Soccer , unfortunately due to not having the official licence sales were much lower than FIFA and eventually Konami started making shit games and now we only basically have EA games , its called something else now but it goes to show official licence makes a world of difference to sales in sports game regardless of the quality of the action itself , sad really
They completely broke the receiver position this year. Every year receivers ability to catch gets worse and worse while defensive players including linemen have much better hands.
Im mad at the NFL sold out us gamers every 5 years renewing EA inclusive contract And I'm even more mad at 2k for being away so long just to make arcade Football 🏈 games that will end on on PS Plus within a year NFLPA License or not 2k should of made another simulation football game!
All we gotta do is stop buying ea madden. Their exclusive contract is up in 2026 with a 1 year extension if it hits revenue target. So if we band together and not buy this pos they’ll force their hand
Bro, look at the dexterity of the lineman in 2K7 compared to madden were it’s just prayer ratings and nothing else hard for any lineman moving feet and pass rush moves are very limited
Next video I address this thought process. Just about every play I ran was broken - but 2 out of 5 plays get the ultra broken result I expected. If you can enjoy the game, thats on you.
The game is not as terrible as he suggests. Not saying the games don’t have issues and could improve. It’s just a loud opinion online bro but it doesn’t effect EA’s bottom line. But it does create an Avenue for revenue for haters. Madden killed 2k in sales even when we had 2k5. Truth is 2k got beat and that dog ain’t never gonna hunt again. Until then, MADDEN for the best/only current simulation. That’s on me!
I played All Pro 2k8 after years and years of playing madden, it’s a breath of fresh air. EA is bad and keeps trying to upsell us on bad gameplay and “brand new” features, All Pro 2k8 says, “here’s football. Play. Have fun. It’s realistic.” No upselling, no glitchy plays, no bad animations, no $30 player you gotta buy to be competitive in a game mode, just football
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I mentioned your channel on the Madden 24 review site where it's rated @ 1.6
I’m not buying an NFL game until EA loses the license. Everyone needs to take this stance
Buying this year cause I wanna do college transfers to madden 25 but haven't bought a madden game since like 2011 or something like that
This is the best video youve put out. Visual examples from a game from over a decade ago of exactly what we have been begging for. The eyes tracking the ball. The seamless animations. Forget all the bells and whistles. All of the X Factor bloat that has been added. These are the core things that need to be implemented before even thinking about extra features.
Thank you Austin, this one took some work - I really wanted it up for the holiday but couldnt quite get it done.
This has been don ad nauseum over the years but willfully ignored because of MUH Madden Syndrome. Better grab a copy of AP2K8 while you got a chance. Peeps are finally waking up and the price will rise on this game. It truly is a classic. Within the game during rain or snow, a player slip, lose balance and actually attempt to regain footing. Never seen in any Madden game. Hundreds of animations you won't see in a game made in 2023 on a super console. Buy APF2K8. You WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED.
Plus....he didn't even mention things like sidelines or referees 😅
Ryan you are a living legend ❤
TWO decades ago next year!
Lets get a class action lawsuit against EA Madden for false advertising. I feel played like a funky 🎹
Agree!!!!
You know it's bad when EA says they're releasing Madden 24 to keep their jobs, and then they release a big old polished turd.
Fire the current EA team, and find us a team of football fanatics to release an authentic football sim.
It makes me miss ESPN Football
LMAO I feel the same way
I'm 44 been playing since year 1. '24 is it for me I'm done. It's not fun to play anymore.
@@1979pmiller Madden 25/NCAA 14 was the last one I religiously played. Once they moved to the next gen for Madden 16 just straight garbage.
100% spot on. EA Sports, and Madden 24 are crap. I have a Right to say this, because I have purchased every Madden Football game since the first game came out for the Sega Genesis in 1990. Im in total agreement that EA should lose their NFL Exclusive Rights.
Moody is a true football game historian.
This is why I'll never stop playing APF 2k8. It's leagues ahead of what madden fails to do every year or better yet in decades. This is an embarrassment compared to APF 2k8.
From 2007!!!!
How do I get the game ?
@@UlfDiorI got mines off Amazon for like 40 dollars and it's worth it
@@ericthomas9804 what console?
@@dansheehan8717it was on ps3 and Xbox 360. I have it for ps3, it’s great
This was the difference between 2k and EA. The staff at 2k made a great simulated football game with fictional teams/legendary players. EA 15 years later with the exclusive license still hasn't lived up to what 2k did for 2k5 or 2k8 all pro. We the consumers need to hit em where it hurts and stop buying the game, plain and simple.
That’s cute that you think you’re their target audience. They could care less about people like you and I who actually crave a simulation type game.
They’re only concern is how do we get the streamers to open packs on stream and create that FOMO from other people so that we can steal their money even more so than buy asking 70 dollars for this bs game.
I believe that if you’re sole purpose to release a video game is to force micro transactions, then your game should be free. Especially since I’m essentially playing madden 16 for the past 8 years. Could be even worse, 16 is just when I started playing madden.
To be fair madden 2002-2005 was as good but a different “style” of football game as ESPN 2k2, 2k5, etc (imo).
Agreed
@@Theymondlol😂😂😂 you mean with that awful gimmick of a hit stick?😂😂😂😂
Gimmicks, it only attacks the mindless.
@@Nitrousedstang Hit stick doesn't bother me. The games were just better back then and much higher quality in every aspect. I think only the mindless act like you while on the internet. I never meet people like you in real life. Strange.
The only solution to getting a better football game is for EA to lose the exclusive license. They simply refuse to create a good game.
The other solution is for people to stop buying
@@MrTimLee84That's the first step in getting them to lose the license. But every year it seems like people need their fix of this garbage. I haven't bought Madden in 11 years and I don't miss it. But there's too many weak minded fools and MUT whales that still do.
@MrTimLee84 I haven't bought an EA game since the Dreamcast.
You just need to convince the community to stop buying
People need to stop buying is the key. When sales are down…
How are they going to lose the license if people keep buying it...?
Such a great video full of truth Sir!
I was playing APFK8 yesterday and I had visit over my house watching me battle it out between the Raiders vs Joe Montana’s 49ers in this great game. It was a close game until the last 2 minutes of the 4th Quarter. A very realistic display of sim football was on display with big hits, interceptions, sacks, fumbles, and touchdowns.
My guest sat there and watched the entire game screaming and at times clapping at seeing the violent sport of football action unfold before his eyes in such a realistic, organic, and beautiful way.
This game is a true gem. Those who have no clue what a sim football game is and should be, will never understand what they’re missing and how much EA has been riding them for all these years. I kind of feel bad for them but at the same time don’t. Why? Because they have chosen to look the other way and bow down to a false idol that is EAs Madden’s false sim football games.
The standard is and will always be 2K sim sport football games.
You want to play a realistic football game, go get yourself a copy of NFL 2K5, or better yet, APF 2K8…and watch the beauty unfold.
The little battles players have are so meaningful in that game.
APF2K8 makes Madden look like preschool levels of programming with how far ahead it is. The fact that a PS3 and 360 game based somewhat on PS2 and original XBOX code can outperform a game made on the most powerful consoles we ever had shows just how badly EA needs to lose the license. Any company that cares about the sport they work on would be embarrassed at how badly they get outperformed by 2K8, which truthfully shows me that the people in charge at EA do not care about the sport of football.
Exactly
Honestly it’s most sad for the kids. I’m 22 so I grew up with all the best football games. What a shame that 99% of kids under 12 have no idea what real football game feels like. When I have kids even if it’s 2030+ I’m getting them 2k8 and earlier maddens.
Couldnt agree more - each year we get futher away from NFL 2k5 / 2k8 and "Madden is all they know".
Man I put so many hours into Madden 07 for the PSP. That game ran better than Madden on these next gen consoles
@@blakehoule6698 madden 09 on the wii for me 😆😆😆
The older maddens ps2 era light years ahead of now nfl 2k5 from presentation to customize stuff so much in that game
Can you imagine a football game with 2k’s ProPlay technology? Would be insane. I’m not optimistic that EA will lose the NFL license because all the MUT players and streamers continue to spend hundreds of dollars on packs and EA makes money off them and streamers make money off it. Why would EA change anything? They don’t care about delivering an actual football game, they care about making money and always will.
Great work! We have to continue to ban together as real sports fans and end EA ! By not buying any of their wanna-be sports games!
I would be playing 2K8 still if the servers were still up....shout out to the SIM community that played that game. Some of the best football gaming ever experienced.
Someone just won a lawsuit against a restaurant, because the picture didn't match the product served. Get the 💡
bottom line is kids and people who know NOTHING about FB buying madden.. sad..
I'm at the point where I don't even care what madden does. I've given up, just like they have. Make all pro football 2k8 and ncaa 14 backwards compatible on xbox series X and I'll be happy.
Also, that Walter Payton stutter step clip at 4:51 is awesome
He did that in real life
Scissor kick, hard cut thru the gap or defender no hesitation
NCAA 14 is an anomaly because the game wasn't hamstrung by poor legacy code issues.
I am currently working on setting up Madden 08 the PC version on my computer. Supposedly there are a ton of mods for this release that make it much, much better. It is just wonky to work with. The game is now free through the public domain thanks to its age and being considered abandon ware now. But, the mods include updated graphics, game play rules like kick off and PAT distances, updated jersies, tons of rosters, tons of actual draft classes. So far I have the base game and the update patch working. I am about to add in the mods, but the way Madden 08 is, different mods need different mod managers to install, so it gets a bit tedious. What I hope to see when I am done is supposedly the best NFL simulation possible with some special sliders and game settings with these mods that are supposed to be really close to the actual NFL stats. We'll see.
When I sit and look at how much fucking money EA has made from Madden the last 6 7 years it’s mind blowing to think that they have the nerve to release the same product every year.
They are running a racket. They need to be hit with a class action lawsuit for false advertising and racketeering
@@ongo_yahzo This much has become very clear.
Let's start a petition
Agree
This is spot on moody.. ive always pointed out the download size of madden vs 2k and its absurd. Tells you alone,how much work is put in each respective game
Good point Nba 2K this year spas 156gb. Vs madden doesn’t even reach 100
2k so good at basketball they don't need the exclusive license😂 EA still wont make a basketball game😂😂there a joke company.
Also, 2K8 was ahead of its time. Back then, people didn't want to play a football game without the NFL license. Now, I feel like it would have been a success. Even if they didn't use NFL legends .
I dont deny 2k8 was ahead of its time BUT we cant lose sight of how far behind Madden truely is.
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I think because at the time 2k was focused solely on making it accurate to modern football and no franchise mode or deep one , even though i fully get why they didn't because i know they wanted to eventually down the road
Maybe because they knew if they didn't have the NFLPA license or the real teams, they HAD to make a great playing game. To me, the names on the jerseys don't mean anything to me. I had my most fun with creating a cupcake team of nobodies, not allowing myself to sign any player higher than a 75OVR in FA, and needing to rebuild through the draft of randomly generated players. My Rams team drafted a first round runningback named Cris Andrews who went on to break Emmitt Smith's all time rushing record by going over 23,000 yards in his career. A DT named John Stone who ran a 4.70 40 at 343lbs who wrecked the league with 15-20 sacks a season. A surefire HOF WR who was racking up 1,000 yards seasons year after year until he had a season ending injury and missed all but one game of the season. He came back the following year and was a shell of his former self and never came close to 1000 yards ever again.
Just give me a good playing product, and I can create my own immersion. I did this with Madden 2008. I created a league full of cupcake teams and replaced the entire NFL with them. The results were hilarious! Only 3 QBs throwing for over 3000 yards. Only one QB threw more TDs than INTs and it was like 17-15. The best kicker only made 58% of his kicks.
We should just cherish that an awesome simulation game like All Pro 2k8 is out there for us to use. Like everyone has posted, EA is so ingrained with the MUT pack gravy train they have no motivation to make a game that equals All Pro 2k8. But glad you are posting these The Truth is out there videos that Madden is a sham. The proof is in the replay.
2K needs to create an XFL video game and pit it against Madden.
this man is almost single handedly fighting the most hated video game company.. the day EA looses the exclusive contract its gonna be a party in the streets
most hated video game company is hands down Activision/Blizzard
Nothing but respect for Moody. While other tubers sellout and up sell bullshit- Moody stays real
When I went to EA they were very nice, when they started talking about changing my content - I had to go. Im glad they give creators like TallGuy and TrumpetMonkey a change to grow the channels they have - but the game improving at such a slow rate.
If EA put half the effort into programming that they do into inventing their b.s. marketing euphemisms they’d make one helluva game.
Great vid, Ryan. One of your best ever. 🏆
Thanks, so many of you guys saying its one of the best really helps.
2k8 is a great game. Still to this day i only play 2k5 and 2k8. Allpro just feels so much better
All pro is far superior IMO.
Truth is 2k could never match Madden in sales even before they had nfl exclusivity.They lost and haven’t been able to come back. 2k8 is out dated and irrelevant for players who want current simulation football. I have 2k5 and 2k8. I play Madden because it’s current and until 2k steps up and gets back in the game, I’ll continue to do so.
I miss the old 2K nfl games growing up..if I were to know in the future that we’d get what we have never, I would’ve just kept only playing 2K 🤦🏼♂️😅
One of your best vids on the channel i feel the same way you do we've been suffering for 2 decades now
Thanks man, after making videos for so long it means alot to read that.
@@RyanMoody21 Kudos to you man I know this takes a toll on you all these years you've been staying on EA's neck I applaud you I've been with you the whole way you give me hope we'll have the type of football game we've been dying for.
EA needs to lose the license faster than my ex gf needs to lose custody of her two kids.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’m so glad u continue to point out these things we all want to point out. I support everything u say. I miss sports games sooo badly.
Ryan thank you for everything you do . This is ridiculous
No worries, thank you for the support Marc!
I am positive with EA I'm positive that they need to lose their license.😂😂 you got it Ryan but all seriousness I appreciate you breaking up the element of actual football. Understanding the height on the ball understanding defense and wide receiver interaction understanding what the line is supposed to do All Pro 2K is the prime example of actual simulation football
The “Clint getting beat off the line” and the “I’m positive” was the best! Keep speaking the truth 🤜🏽
I mean the fact he could personally mocap proper lineman getting beat animations says alot.
@@RyanMoody21 it absolutely does!
I've been saying for years that EA needs to scrap the current game, hire a few 2K devs and rebuild the game from scratch.
But that costs money.
Bro, they've only had 15 years. Cut them some slack.
Lol
Lmmfbaooooooo
The NFLPA needs to see this! Awesome presentation.
Thanks Reggie.
2K Sports is hands down way better than EA Sports! You are 💯 percent correct in that the NFL (for the sake of a quality football game) needs to relinquish their exclusive rights with EA Sports! Sega NFL2K needs to come back (please 😢)!
You are so on point with that tackling through a player. Or worse, my RB getting stuck on his own lineman
I hate that 💩
I have sacked qbs with 2 blockers on me plenty of times, tackling thru the blocks. That is realistic. Running right thru the second blocker like he wasnt even there like the 2k vid is not.
So glad your focusing on the consoles they're being released on.
I'm currently playing Starfield on Xbox series X. Looking back at Bethesdas game "Oblivion" on Xbox 360 and comparing it to Starfield, you can SEE the improvements. They didn't need notes and made up technology to sell you on the game. Looking at 3 mins of Starfield footage you can see the improved graphics, the facial and lip sync technology. Extremely detailed planets with minimal to no load times. When I'm playing it, you can tell this couldn't be done on last gen. At no point have I ever looked at Madden and thought "Man, I can see why you need a PS5 to play this. They are really taking advantage of the system."
In Starfield, you can leave a item on one of the 1000 planets in the game, play through hundreds of quests and return to that planet and that item would still be there. In Madden? They cant make double team blocks work......in their football game.....smh.
Respect for this.
This is a big reason I quit playing online and I finally purchase the game after two years of not playing because I upgraded to a next GEN system. It is played by the same exact problems. It was on madden 15.
My pulling guard has a brain aneurysm and turns back around to do the running back still.
I am also extremely glad that you brought up the archetypes, and I think plenty of the ratings on madden are useless for God sakes there is a “change of direction” rating what is agility then ?
What is acceleration?
It doesn’t make sense
It's not that difficult to understand... speed = how fast, acceleration = time it takes to reach said players max speed, agility = ability to follow up moves with another, elusiveness = speed of juke or spin, and finally change of direction = speed capability of the left analog (ability to go back and forth faster).
@@thabruhfrom9444 damn. You didn’t have to do him like that. 😂
I feel u, 2k5 with T.O. on the cover was the best football game ever!
Madden is quite possible the worst video games there’s been on the market for the past 15 years
THANK YOU FOR THIS ONE!!!
Dude. When I saw the QBs facial expression change mine did as well. Shock. Like we’d ever see that level of detail in madden.
@@John-PaulHunt-lo1wd Unless your name is Shannon Sharpe.
@@John-PaulHunt-lo1wd Nothing talks more than Shannon. Skeeeeeyup.
Yeah cause that was the ad for the game not actual gameplay. 2k bait and switch on every game they make.
Love seeing the number being compared 😮that’s is shocking !! With today’s technology a 2k football would be mind blowing
Hoping madden follows the live series into the bin 🎉
Totally agree
All Pro Football 2k8 = ALL DAY! and multiple times on Sundays
Because the focus is to eliminate "money plays" because the AI doesn't actually know football
Couldnt agree more, they cant fix the real issuse because they are trying clean up user exploits. And thats not saying 2k didnt have them - but they werent as prevalent.
All Pro Football 2K8 > Madden 24. I can deal with the graphics and licensing and will take real players on fake teams all day over real teams/players with unrealistic football.
AMEN BROTHER !!! You speak the truth!!!
6:07 Exactly, and they still haven't even fixed it🤦🏾♂️ can't forget about your defensive guys letting the ball go right over their heads when they can literally make a play on it or just being able to make a play in general when the ball is literally right next to them
A few corrections before I really get into this here...
*Further Proof EA Needs To Lose The NFL License
Also, if you really and I mean REALLY want to show folks how badly this has fallen off the cliff, do this but with Madden 07 for the PS2 (you can probably do the same for 08 & 09) and then hit 11 & 12 for the PS3. After that, I'd say 25 & 16 for the PS3. 07 to me is the true GOAT of the PS2 genre and honestly, Madden in general as a series. It didn't get this high again. 08 fell short, 09 same. Nothing really came close to touching 07 pound for pound and then there's 21.3 aka 24.
This game in all seriousness, should be loaded to the gills with features galore. This game should be so deep, it's literally costing people their jobs cause they can't peel away from it. The real case that needs to be driven into people's skulls is this USED TO BE something special. This USED TO BE something we as fans looked forward to every Summer. EA USED TO BE a company that didn't have to be told what we wanted, cause they knew what we were there for and they had us covered. UNTIL THEY DIDN'T ANYMORE. USED TO BE you didn't mute the soundtracks in the menu screens cause there were headbangers up and down the place. The last time Madden had a decent soundtrack was 12, FYI. If you stitched together every major thing that was taken away from each game or just over the years, then amplified it to the max, we'd have a Madden everyone could be happy with.
We the people how so much power, we can all stop buying this bs forcing them to make what we want. If we stop giving ea our money for madden guarantee the nfl look for video game partnership elsewhere
That made no sense. That initiating tackler should have been laid out or pancaked. There aren't enough clanging and collision animations. They just focus so much on making the game look realistic, but they don't work under the hood to make it run smoothly. If they can make the players walk on the field and dance in cut scenes, they should be able to make them play well on the field. It just shows you where EA's commitment in this game lies.
Very well explained. I haven't played madden since 2013 & I'm a huge football fanatic.
No lies detected. If there was competition, Madden would fold just like NBA Live did. Guess what gaming company make NBA Live tap out? 2k! A company that care about the games they make.
And now they care about monetization. With their latest version, they have THREE versions of a game pass...this is after you already buy the game at full price, on top of the other monetization they already do. The NBA 2k fans have been complaining about this for the last couple of years now.
Oh no my guy I was with you until that 2k take they damn near EA level of fuckery
I think people forget 2k in basketball was not the market leader. It took them to like 2008 to become that. 2k Is just better they do not have an exclusive license. There are some things I don’t like. But at least the game looks amazing on PS5 and series x and s.
The players are unaware of their position relative to other entities on the field ie: players have 0 awareness of their distance from the goal line or sidelines and phasing through players is a byproduct of a similar issue.
Couldnt agree more, its not a team of players - its a group of seperate players with no real goal in mind.
Man if 2k had the license. Players would have so much signature animations
Yup just the NBA players, legends and hall of famers from each era of the NBA with the legendary teams in 2K
And they would charge you for everything you see. 2K is not the answer. If you think MUT is bad for football, just look at what they've been doing to their basketball game.
@@eduardopena5893exactly. Why tf should I fork over 100 dollars just to have a competitive my player for offline gameplay?? 2k is an even bigger joke for microtransactions. I’d prolly have to buy roster updates that’s how greedy they are.
@@eduardopena5893yup 2K was very good at their previous football games they made but just like EA they realized they can make a shit load of money doing the bare minimum
yeah, 2k is better than ea at everything but microtransactions which madden is starting to get worse on with the yard and other trash ass features
1:09 nice, the classic "tackle animation picked before block animation"
A staple of the madden franchise for over a decade and running
3:18 I am not a football game fan but i am honestly impressed by that movement by Gastineau.
I stopped buying madden 4 years back once seeing these!!!! Never stop doing these!!!
I recently just tracked down an Xbox 360, just so I could play NFL 2k5. I was nervous about how bad graphics would be, etc...I gotta say...the semi bad graphics thing goes away in 5 minutes. This game is unreal. I'm playing it right now. I could go on and on and on about how good this game is and how in depth it is. It would take way too long. Anyone young who is trying to play madden...stop, get the emulator, get an old Xbox because graphics are a bit better and get a 2k football game! I mean...you can set your own camera. The way they talk about individual players and what they're doing. The weekly recaps. It's unreal. I did, but didn't realize how bad madden really was. Blowwwwn away! Love all the videos. EA needs to hear it
Fear not, the graphics in Madden have taken a step back - look at this thumbnail - so its not like you are visually even missing much.
Sad that some things in this game were just now added to madden. This game is the GOAT football sim. Only thing madden has over it is obviously graphics, NFL license, and a franchise mode. This game has the best throwing, pocket, blocking, downfield blocking AI play especially on defense, ball trajectory. Injuries and the teammates actually call for the medic and the team reacts. Weather impacts games. Pre game and presentation is better. Throwing animation on the run and stationary look great still. Catching animation, running animations. 2k cared and made the best Sim to date. Madden doesn't play like a sim. It is really an arcade. 2K8 IS THE GOLD STANDARD FOR FOOTBALL SIMS
This is my absolute favorite and mic drop video this channel has ever made.
I absolutely hate what Madden has become. I'm at the point in my life now where I can look back on my childhood and truly appreciate what the team at 2K did with their football games.
EA Sports knew it and ruined it for everyone else but themselves... they KNOW if there's competition that their gravy train is finally over.
The young kids these days don't know any better and honestly they won't take the time to go back and find those older titles to compare truth videos such as this and see for themselves ... they're easily persuaded by hype trailers and garbage promises that EA makes every year.
Keep up the amazing work, brother... as I truly believe that there will come a day where EA no longer holds the exclusive license and the arcade loving trolls will be forced to play a true football sim game.
Glad you enjoyed it!
When you're right, you're right. M-24 is Trash. Every game I have at least 8 or 9 random dropped passes. Horrible😂
Thanks for watching my content, you a legit legend. I actually often refer back to the ticket video to inspire me to explain things in a fun, comical and entertaining way.
Damn Chi City, I didn't know you watch Ryan Moody lol
@@RyanMoody21 All Love my Brother. Im subbed to you 💯😇
@@JDivine911 Ryan Moody is the Man in these Madden Streets 💯🤣😇
@@MrChiCity3 Lol respect. Real recognize real. 💯💯
Atleast you actually show the problems that this game continues to have. No one else does this. We need more people in the community like you to force EA to implement change. Keep it up! ;)
I dont know how you cant show the issues this game has, its hard to put a drive together without flaws.
Ryan wants what we all want: a fundamentally sound gameplay experience with a franchise mode that provides depth. I notice yall hating ryan for pointing out madden’s flaws. Yall need to stop whining and going against the grain when you could be helping the problem by tweeting EA and letting them know of your dissatisfaction with madden24
I unistalled my free copy over the holiday. Final online record was 50-36 …..for some odd reason going on a win streak your defense literally just does not work for the next 3 to 4 games. Safeties not covering down field, LBs getting pancaked 88% of the game. On offense Guys warping into my receivers for INTs, lineman not pass blocking. Real weird shit…but you play this game long enough and you see all of this bullshit more and more….scripted FG blocks are still a thing too smh….
I've been saying that since playing 23...you can feel them not wanting to make plays
@@ongo_yahzo yea shits bogus….the last play that made me uninstall my safety literally stood in his zone as the receiver ran at him and cut on a corner route……my safety never moved…..I lost the game. I also cannot stand that game planning bullshit. You have to sacrifice the run game to cover the receivers? Or I won’t be able to throw as efficiently if I choose a stronger run game. It doesn’t work and I feel like it breaks the game….let ME use my IQ and skill to play the fucking game lol smh…..it’s hopeless…..
@TheBlackAkatsuki88 ivwas thinking to myself last night....we have to play against the opponent and against the coding of the 🎮. So it's a 3 vs 1 every 🎮. When that light turned on in my mind I went on a 5 game win run. That was long as I could hold it til I got tired and lost again. I'm fighting to get out of this -11 🎮 🛝. Always keep in mind that they have WEE'd the damn 🎮 with irritating suction animation. Play effectively & efficiently as possible against that make your squad animate against the other bs animations.
Play with your next best team after you go on a win run... hopefully you can fight against the win 🛝 off
@@ongo_yahzo exactly! The video Ryan showed where your blockers chase a guy OUT OF the play that’s BEHIND the play running into your running back resulting in you getting a tackle for a loss, I love running the football and it wholeheartedly pisses me off when I have a hole big enough to fit TWO Lizzos and I get tackled cause my TE ran backwards to chase a blitzing corner. Such a sad fucking game bro smh so I went ahead and uninstalled 😂🤣😂 it’s the same game smh.
NBA2K at least tries to get better every year, even years they don’t get it completely right, they at least tried. Their franchise mode is Leagues above Maddens, down to scouting and staffing
2K had something special with APF. They really screwed up by not making a sequel and adding a shit ton of game modes to it like 2k5 had. They could of made a ton of money off of it. APF didn’t sell well because it had a one and done season and limited customization.
First time since early 2000s I haven’t bought a madden. Feels good to not get screwed over of my hard earned cash
i swear to god that positive joke had me rollin for at least 2 min straight. lol great vid as always ryan! you should do this with more games. you dont have to be as harsh as madden but your insight helps the average consumer.
Glad it made you laugh!
I remember years ago (visual concepts company at the time ) had NFL players come in an mo cap their signature moves would have been in NFL2K if when the next generation systems come I believe was xbox 360 ps3 era so 2ksports was already ahead of madden that exclusive license mess up everything.
I understand the NFL might now fully allow that today - but the lack of effort EA has is unreal. And this is why EA made such a big deal about "AWS" being able to bring in real life reactions and movement - and yet its gone after so long.
Those old 2k games were fire but now 2k is as bad or worse than EA with their practices.
I can’t take people like you serious. How is 2k as bad or worse. Not even close
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All you have to do is play as any of the iconic teams from 1960 to today and you'll see every single player with their own animations, how they shoot, how they celebrate, defend and even act when they're fouled
For example when Mutombo blocks he waves his finger and say "No no no" at the person he blocked like he did in real life
Magic Johnson did his behind the back passes and his hop around the head passes in the game like he did in real life
Michael Jordan sticks his tongue out when he dunks like in real life
Madden has legendary players on mut and none of them have their famous animations
I saw a mut player get a hard hitting tackle and fumble with Ray Lewis and all he did was walk back when he would do his dance and arm gestures at any play like that in real life
@@marqicewalker1766 Their predatory monetization makes Madden MUT look like saints.
@@eduardopena5893 That’s not only vague but it’s just one thing.
Madden hasn’t added anything of substance to the game. We’re comparing it to madden 06. You can’t say the same for 2k. I’d have to create long ass paragraphs to explain why this is a dumb conversation so I asked you and honestly anyone else to explain how 2k is “as bad or worse”🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
I also think that NFL Head Coach 09 is far away better than any Madden game that came before it or after it in terms of sheer depth. Of course it wasn't a user playable game, you were simply a Head Coach. But that coaching tree people are asking for? That was in there. Body part specific damage and correlating injuries if that body part sustained too much damage. Player and coach personalities that played out in contract negotiations. Player knowledge meant something because players had to learn your playbook. If this game was simply re-made, add in Owner Mode, make it user playable, add in create a team and team relocation, and just update the graphics and the rosters, it would be the best game ever.
From a franchise standpoint Head Coach was unreal.
@@RyanMoody21 And the sad thing is, Josh Looman was a big part of that game, and they brought him on board for Madden 25 to fix franchise mode. He was let go before the next Madden and he lamented that they didn't even do half the things he wanted to for Madden.
Please 2K I beg get your license back with the NFL! Every Madden has been so disappointing with fierce for years. You so right Moody about the real details about simulation football. Madden hasn't yet accomplished that with all the broken promises that so call provided. What a fuccing shame EA smfh!
This is awesome. Wish more people saw this
Hit that like and it will! Appreciate you.
We know why they keep buying the license its cause they know if 2k were to make an NFL game madden wouldnt sell just like nba live
Imagine All Pro Football updated for PS5.
The fact that Madden STILL fails compared to a 16 yr old game is mind blowing. For context: imagine Madden on the Genesis being more technically sound than 2K5
Honestly, looking at the thumbnail - and making it - I was shocked how grapically Madden has went backwards.
@@RyanMoody21 NFL 2k5 looks pretty good when you upscale it to 4K HD. Even Madden 08 for the PC version before I add in the HD mods doesn't look too bad.
Now you’re telling us exactly why EA needed the rights to the NFL or they would of eventually became obsolete
When NFL2K5 came out EA saw first hand that they were being beat bad
Facts Eff EA haven’t bought a football game since 2k8
Madden 25 should be a game where a dude is on a couch playing 2k on his virtual console and tv
Ryan have u noticed the WRs standing like statues on hook routes???.....and just STAND there a let a 100% Catchable pass Wizz right by them!!
Keep going man. Eventually the NFL has to do something.
They need to hire real people who knows how to program and render animation separately 1 by 1 just like what backbreaker did and just like espn did. Better yet they need to hire an honest person whos not in it for the money but for the love of the game as yourself ryan. U have my vote my man. 😂
The only way to fix Madden games would be to rewrite the games code from scratch which is impossible for a title tied to yearly releases.
Madden 24 post play emotions don't even really get to shine cause the game feels rushed after each play its fucking annoying
Its funny but im in the UK and soccer games followed a similar pattern , EA always had the official licence but Konami made the better game with Pro Evoloution Soccer , unfortunately due to not having the official licence sales were much lower than FIFA and eventually Konami started making shit games and now we only basically have EA games , its called something else now but it goes to show official licence makes a world of difference to sales in sports game regardless of the quality of the action itself , sad really
They completely broke the receiver position this year. Every year receivers ability to catch gets worse and worse while defensive players including linemen have much better hands.
Im mad at the NFL sold out us gamers every 5 years renewing EA inclusive contract
And I'm even more mad at 2k for being away so long just to make arcade Football 🏈 games that will end on on PS Plus within a year
NFLPA License or not 2k should of made another simulation football game!
Shame that we didn’t get another APF.
Couldnt agree more, would have loved to seen a deeper game experiance.
All we gotta do is stop buying ea madden. Their exclusive contract is up in 2026 with a 1 year extension if it hits revenue target. So if we band together and not buy this pos they’ll force their hand
Bro, look at the dexterity of the lineman in 2K7 compared to madden were it’s just prayer ratings and nothing else hard for any lineman moving feet and pass rush moves are very limited
The base the lineman have in 2k8 is worlds apart from Madden, worlds apart.
Woooow I remember when you had less than 2k subs. 100k!! congrats!
You can sit there and watch replays for hours and nitpick every issue that you find or you can just enjoy the game for what it is.
Next video I address this thought process. Just about every play I ran was broken - but 2 out of 5 plays get the ultra broken result I expected. If you can enjoy the game, thats on you.
The game is not as terrible as he suggests. Not saying the games don’t have issues and could improve. It’s just a loud opinion online bro but it doesn’t effect EA’s bottom line. But it does create an Avenue for revenue for haters. Madden killed 2k in sales even when we had 2k5. Truth is 2k got beat and that dog ain’t never gonna hunt again. Until then, MADDEN for the best/only current simulation. That’s on me!
I played All Pro 2k8 after years and years of playing madden, it’s a breath of fresh air. EA is bad and keeps trying to upsell us on bad gameplay and “brand new” features, All Pro 2k8 says, “here’s football. Play. Have fun. It’s realistic.” No upselling, no glitchy plays, no bad animations, no $30 player you gotta buy to be competitive in a game mode, just football
I would rather play Madden 2008 or NFL 2K5 over Madden 2024 any day of the week.