Mistake about the sacred at 17:42 Bad formation fighter doesn't mean that their size can be counsidered as increased by the amount, but that if at leat one of them is in the tile, the maximum size of the tile is reduced by that amount. You can have 2 of them per tile, because 4+4 = 8, and 10-2 = 8 too, so they fit. (It's mostly there so that you can't fit anyone or anything else then them, and to make them worse with the larger bless.) Edit: It does seem to be buged, when they start the battle they are able to be 2 per tile, but they don't seem to be able to recombine when they break formation. From the description of "bad formation fighter" does mean that they should be 2 per tile.(After further testing, they can be up to 8 size in the square even with 2 bad formations fighter 2, but it seems that the things that can go there can only do so if they "spawn" there, ie: 2 of the abysia sacred of age 2 (size 3) can have 2 additional size be in their square, but those can only enter their square if they do so by being spawn or by flying inside their square)
I did some testing too and I think bad formation fighter stacks, u like positive formation fighter. Lavaborns also work the same way so that the 2 size 3 units in a square with -2 formation fighter won't allow anything else to move into the square, an easy way to check is using salamander spam. I think they (formation fighter) are called similar things but are infact different modifiers. Also one burning ones to a square is consistent with dominions 5 gameplay
@@juliang8676 The thing that make me think it's buged either way, is that if it does stack, then why can other creature spawn/fly in to fill the square up to the amount if it did not stack (you can observe it by spamming the nature spell that spawns lots of insect). I do understand that both modifier are explicitly different, but I think if it was supposed to stack, since it would be a comportement different from what would be expected like with the normal formation fighter, I think it sould be explicilty told in the modifier.
@@user-rg9he8vq3u can you elaborate more on what you mean with regards to the testing for the spawning/flying? In my test with salamanders I found that for 2 lava warriors no other units could enter the square, so I'm confused what you are referring to. Edit: specifically what you said you observed, if you are on a dominions discord like clockwork or immersion etc discord could you post a picture? I'm on immersion, reddit dominions, clockwork, nexus hub, lucids server, and the games hub
@@juliang8676 No other units can enter the square normally, but units can spawn (magic invocation) or fly into the square to fill it up to, in this case 8, and the square can stay filled with 8 size. try playing abyssia MA, get a good amount of nature on your pretender and cast the spell that invoque lots of small insects next to your sacred (cost a nature gem, I can't remember what it's called), you will see that you will be able to have the 2 sacred + 2 insect size 1 or 1 insect size 2, as long as the insects enter their square either by beeing summoned by the pretender, or by flying into combat where there already is 2 sacred. I don't have discord even installed right now so I don't think I can get you a picture saddly, but it shouldn't be hard to reproduce.
@@juliang8676 Units can't walk into the square to fill it up beyond 6, but they can be either spawned or fly into it up to 8. You should use the nature spell that summon many small insects in battle to test it (Swarm, alteration4, nature2, cost 1 nat gem). I don't have Discord right now, so I can't send an image, but it shoulnd't be hard to test. (In fact, this means (and it works, I tested it) that if you take flying bless in EA Abyssia your sacred can fly together to the same squares and be fighting at 2 sacred per squares).
Abyssia was one of the first nations I played as a new to the series Dom 6 player. It's nice for a beginner: you understand fire is your thing, you have a simple troop roster, your heavy infantry is largely foolproof in basic combat, and the fire salamander is great against independents OR weird stuff you don't understand yet AND consistently synergizes with your infantry.
I totally agree with Abysia being a good beginner nation. I think the difficulty of astral and blood is a bit overblown frankly (even if it is still valid).
I was floored when I saw your first pretender, same chassis as my previous game and stygian flesh and blood surge. Where are the hidden cameras in my house?
I try to keep changing things up, but blood surge feels just so good for the cost. Stygian has also really grown on me. I think in multiplayer, there would be a much higher chance of people taking magic weapons and countering it. Totally unrelated, but there is no reason to check your mechs for cameras.
EA Abyssia and Ubar have quite a few similarities to one another. +3 heat, forts cutting deaths from heat by 2 levels, a plethora of wasteland survival units and thematic ties to flames. Makes me wonder if in the setting of the game, the Smokeless flame of the Jinn has any ties to the Rhuax. (Which being a native French speaker, I pronounce Roo-ax.) And they even also have a ritual to increase the heat of a distant province. And now to quote the Merrymen! Ole ole, ole ole Ole ole, Ole ole Feeling hot hot hot...
Agartha also deals with Rhuax. I had a feeling that I was not correct with that pronunciation, but was not sure where the names were derived from for this nation. Thanks for the info.
I think addition of buff spells in Thaumaturgy makes it more viable as early level 5 goal and makes fire more interesting. You can easily cast Gift of Furious with most mages with a fire in the jar, and along the way you also get Mind Burn, Soul Slay, and Prison of Fire (which is underused spell). Also at Thaum 5 you can do pyre of catharis on your 3F1E old mage to get rid of disease so less need to get unaging
Good call out on pyre of catharis! Fire really needed those new buff spells. Those and the bonds of fire line of spells are really helpful against glamour/defense troops.
It occurs to me that it would be a good idea to link the stream vod in your description for these once it's up. People should be able to find it pretty easily (if they know to look) but it doesn't hurt to make things easy.
Even though he's not going to have fire your god has to be named Rex, THE DESTROYER. Or at least some crazy empowered and boosted Fire prophet ought to be named that. Hyped for ABYSIA!
@@BabelBuilder I said I wanted one not that I'd actually got one! I'd try for about T4 though and just accept that I'm not getting troops that turn. You shouldn't mistake what my greed wants for what is actually a good plan :D
The big ones have the opposite trait to make them less efficient. (it was bugged in the first versions so you actually had 2 of them in the same square which was insane (4 attacks base)
Fatigue is incremental I think? So you take penalties long before you fall unconscious? I'm a bit unclear on how the heat scales work with population. "Prefers Heat 3" in particular: does that mean that the race treats Heat 3 as others treat Heat 0 and thus Heat 1 counts as Cold 2 to them? ..are the population entirely determined by whose Dominion it is or who the ruler is? [Impressive mass polymorphing is going on somewhere?]
Fatigue does come in incrementally. I believe the penalties start at 20 and ramp up. For population, it is left nebulous as to who they are. I guess you could consider them the same as the local indies? The preferred scales affect income, and total scales can cause pop death in Dom6 for extremes temps. For units, you take extra fatigue the further away from your preferred scales the battlefield is. It also can affect "heat/cold power" abilities and some spells function better/worse depending on scales present.
IDK if you noticed, but introduction was spelt wrong at the very start of the vid. Thought it was worth pointing out if this was a template you're gonna use for future videos!
@@BabelBuilder Really enjoy these videos as part of getting back into Dom (playing since dom 2 but never really getting it), would love to see some MA content too!
Only mod I have run at all in all Dominions content at this point is "National Overview", which shows you summons and heroes on the nation screen. Are you thinking something was off? MMM - edit there have been a few patches since this published. I know there was a Burning One fix at some point.
@@BabelBuilder haha yeah, i wrongly assumed you have the pretender revamp and nations blessings mod, because of the faded starting sites in the video. my bad
Mistake about the sacred at 17:42
Bad formation fighter doesn't mean that their size can be counsidered as increased by the amount, but that if at leat one of them is in the tile, the maximum size of the tile is reduced by that amount. You can have 2 of them per tile, because 4+4 = 8, and 10-2 = 8 too, so they fit. (It's mostly there so that you can't fit anyone or anything else then them, and to make them worse with the larger bless.)
Edit: It does seem to be buged, when they start the battle they are able to be 2 per tile, but they don't seem to be able to recombine when they break formation. From the description of "bad formation fighter" does mean that they should be 2 per tile.(After further testing, they can be up to 8 size in the square even with 2 bad formations fighter 2, but it seems that the things that can go there can only do so if they "spawn" there, ie: 2 of the abysia sacred of age 2 (size 3) can have 2 additional size be in their square, but those can only enter their square if they do so by being spawn or by flying inside their square)
I did some testing too and I think bad formation fighter stacks, u like positive formation fighter. Lavaborns also work the same way so that the 2 size 3 units in a square with -2 formation fighter won't allow anything else to move into the square, an easy way to check is using salamander spam. I think they (formation fighter) are called similar things but are infact different modifiers. Also one burning ones to a square is consistent with dominions 5 gameplay
@@juliang8676
The thing that make me think it's buged either way, is that if it does stack, then why can other creature spawn/fly in to fill the square up to the amount if it did not stack (you can observe it by spamming the nature spell that spawns lots of insect).
I do understand that both modifier are explicitly different, but I think if it was supposed to stack, since it would be a comportement different from what would be expected like with the normal formation fighter, I think it sould be explicilty told in the modifier.
@@user-rg9he8vq3u can you elaborate more on what you mean with regards to the testing for the spawning/flying? In my test with salamanders I found that for 2 lava warriors no other units could enter the square, so I'm confused what you are referring to.
Edit: specifically what you said you observed, if you are on a dominions discord like clockwork or immersion etc discord could you post a picture? I'm on immersion, reddit dominions, clockwork, nexus hub, lucids server, and the games hub
@@juliang8676 No other units can enter the square normally, but units can spawn (magic invocation) or fly into the square to fill it up to, in this case 8, and the square can stay filled with 8 size. try playing abyssia MA, get a good amount of nature on your pretender and cast the spell that invoque lots of small insects next to your sacred (cost a nature gem, I can't remember what it's called), you will see that you will be able to have the 2 sacred + 2 insect size 1 or 1 insect size 2, as long as the insects enter their square either by beeing summoned by the pretender, or by flying into combat where there already is 2 sacred.
I don't have discord even installed right now so I don't think I can get you a picture saddly, but it shouldn't be hard to reproduce.
@@juliang8676
Units can't walk into the square to fill it up beyond 6, but they can be either spawned or fly into it up to 8.
You should use the nature spell that summon many small insects in battle to test it (Swarm, alteration4, nature2, cost 1 nat gem).
I don't have Discord right now, so I can't send an image, but it shoulnd't be hard to test.
(In fact, this means (and it works, I tested it) that if you take flying bless in EA Abyssia your sacred can fly together to the same squares and be fighting at 2 sacred per squares).
Abyssia was one of the first nations I played as a new to the series Dom 6 player. It's nice for a beginner: you understand fire is your thing, you have a simple troop roster, your heavy infantry is largely foolproof in basic combat, and the fire salamander is great against independents OR weird stuff you don't understand yet AND consistently synergizes with your infantry.
I totally agree with Abysia being a good beginner nation. I think the difficulty of astral and blood is a bit overblown frankly (even if it is still valid).
I was floored when I saw your first pretender, same chassis as my previous game and stygian flesh and blood surge. Where are the hidden cameras in my house?
Blood Surge has become one of my favourite blesses, it's great fun ❤
I try to keep changing things up, but blood surge feels just so good for the cost.
Stygian has also really grown on me. I think in multiplayer, there would be a much higher chance of people taking magic weapons and countering it.
Totally unrelated, but there is no reason to check your mechs for cameras.
Getting close to 1000 subscribers now keep it up ❤ .
So close! I admit, I am feeling a little impatient!
EA Abyssia and Ubar have quite a few similarities to one another. +3 heat, forts cutting deaths from heat by 2 levels, a plethora of wasteland survival units and thematic ties to flames.
Makes me wonder if in the setting of the game, the Smokeless flame of the Jinn has any ties to the Rhuax. (Which being a native French speaker, I pronounce Roo-ax.) And they even also have a ritual to increase the heat of a distant province.
And now to quote the Merrymen!
Ole ole, ole ole
Ole ole, Ole ole
Feeling hot hot hot...
Agartha also deals with Rhuax.
I had a feeling that I was not correct with that pronunciation, but was not sure where the names were derived from for this nation. Thanks for the info.
@@BabelBuilderTo be honest, I am not sure I pronounce it correctly either. Just saying how I do it because of French.
I think addition of buff spells in Thaumaturgy makes it more viable as early level 5 goal and makes fire more interesting. You can easily cast Gift of Furious with most mages with a fire in the jar, and along the way you also get Mind Burn, Soul Slay, and Prison of Fire (which is underused spell). Also at Thaum 5 you can do pyre of catharis on your 3F1E old mage to get rid of disease so less need to get unaging
Good call out on pyre of catharis!
Fire really needed those new buff spells. Those and the bonds of fire line of spells are really helpful against glamour/defense troops.
yessss, you did it! Thanks kindly!
You bet! Hope you can make the stream on Friday; guaranteed HOT!
@@BabelBuilder I will certainly try, depends on work!
It occurs to me that it would be a good idea to link the stream vod in your description for these once it's up. People should be able to find it pretty easily (if they know to look) but it doesn't hurt to make things easy.
I've been surprised in the past by people asking if I have more content for a game. I guess people don't look for playlists?
Great video. Your degree of expertise is somehow frightening tho for a new player like me
You'll get there! Just gotta start somewhere.
If you turn a warlord into a prophet they have a special prophet form of war master :)
I totally forgot to mention that. He gets a different gold colored armor model!
Even though he's not going to have fire your god has to be named Rex, THE DESTROYER. Or at least some crazy empowered and boosted Fire prophet ought to be named that. Hyped for ABYSIA!
Rex, the Betrayer more like it!
30:00 I'm greedy, I want a Holy 4 Prophet
When are you able to get him recruited? I find the cost so prohibitive on Abysia.
@@BabelBuilder I said I wanted one not that I'd actually got one! I'd try for about T4 though and just accept that I'm not getting troops that turn. You shouldn't mistake what my greed wants for what is actually a good plan :D
I mean who doesn't like Infernal Crossbreeding?
Not saying, but your saying...
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I think you are reading Formation Fighter, I think it lowers the total that can be in the square, in this case from 10 to 8. Still 2 per stack
The big ones have the opposite trait to make them less efficient. (it was bugged in the first versions so you actually had 2 of them in the same square which was insane (4 attacks base)
There is formation fighter, and bad formation fighter. These guys just like to cut loose and go total windmill mode with those morning stars!
@thewolfpack5290 I actually got to play that on launch! It was as crazy as it sounds!
Fatigue is incremental I think? So you take penalties long before you fall unconscious?
I'm a bit unclear on how the heat scales work with population. "Prefers Heat 3" in particular: does that mean that the race treats Heat 3 as others treat Heat 0 and thus Heat 1 counts as Cold 2 to them? ..are the population entirely determined by whose Dominion it is or who the ruler is?
[Impressive mass polymorphing is going on somewhere?]
Fatigue does come in incrementally. I believe the penalties start at 20 and ramp up.
For population, it is left nebulous as to who they are. I guess you could consider them the same as the local indies? The preferred scales affect income, and total scales can cause pop death in Dom6 for extremes temps.
For units, you take extra fatigue the further away from your preferred scales the battlefield is. It also can affect "heat/cold power" abilities and some spells function better/worse depending on scales present.
IDK if you noticed, but introduction was spelt wrong at the very start of the vid. Thought it was worth pointing out if this was a template you're gonna use for future videos!
I make them for each video, but thanks for the call out. I need to add a quality control pass to those!
@@BabelBuilder Really enjoy these videos as part of getting back into Dom (playing since dom 2 but never really getting it), would love to see some MA content too!
There's only one i in "ambidextrous" (no i in dextrous")
Did you have mods on for this video by chance?
Only mod I have run at all in all Dominions content at this point is "National Overview", which shows you summons and heroes on the nation screen.
Are you thinking something was off?
MMM - edit there have been a few patches since this published. I know there was a Burning One fix at some point.
@@BabelBuilder haha yeah, i wrongly assumed you have the pretender revamp and nations blessings mod, because of the faded starting sites in the video. my bad
Let's hope you don't get cornered by some fire giants
Ironically, our axes would be pretty good against them, even in the heat. Blood also has some effective thug/giant counters.