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Disappointing how condescending you are to the niche group of gamers who actually need GPU's like this and no most of us Pimax VR sim racers are not yacht owners probably because we have an expensive hobby. But that's the thing you're making fun of people because of their hobby, do you do that to bike riders? Plenty of MTB's cost more, like the new price of my carbon frame MTB that I bought for $600 second hand but cost more than that GPU new, do you think that original owner was a Yacht owner? Maybe he was an idiot to spend so much on a bike considering there are much better value options available. Yeah sure my VR sim Racing hobby is expensive and I hate the price of the GPU's I need but it is still less money than I spend on my son to go entry level real life kart racing.
@@theauthenticsteve yeah but second hand carbon MTB's hold their value even after a few years, price to performance these GPU's are pointless to gamers and hold no reasonable value in future generations.
i actually would have more confidence in a card like that because it had manual review of it. (obviously the ones without writing were too) but i like the evidence of it
I wish these massive cards would start being honest and actually fully bracket for each pcie slot they prevent you from using. I'd bet that would go a long way in preventing gpu sag.
That's cool you get to call Jacob to figure that out. It's nice when you can actually get ahold of someone at a company, especially a direct call. Really adds a human element to the business. Bonus points to EVGA for having that representation and communication with content creators.
Yup I tried to take apart my 3060ti on the day I unboxed it, but the thermal pads acted like glue and I couldn't get it off at all, didn't want to force it. Was worried of breaking it
That’s why I run a heat gun on the card or only open it after it’s been running for a few min under load. Some 3090s can get destroyed if you don’t remove the cooler while it’s warm. No clue what’s happening there but it completely bricks the card. Fortunately evga is aware and accepts RMAs for it.
@@Zosu22 I'm not concerned with performance, it's plenty enough for the power draw, I'm more worried about the card aging and dying. Not only because a similar performing card is expensive, but because I really don't like the current offerings. I like the team green eco system with DLSS, Shadowplay and all that (so AMD isn't an option for now), but the current cards just draw waaaaay too much power for the performance. That's just not worth it to me.
@@Zosu22 People were complaining about the 2080 Ti value back then but I think it's a much better value than any other card ! It has 11GB of VRAM and you can Water-cool it + OC the shit out of it (I put a Kraken G12 + X62 on mine) and was able to OC the GDDR6 to 16.5Gbps and +245 MHz on the Core !!! I would get performance between a 3070 Ti and a 3080 ! I sold it to buy a 3090 because I have a 4K OLED TV and wanted the HDMI 2.1 for 4K@120Hz 12-bit Full RGB but I really loved my 2080 Ti 😇
Yea, not only did it look like a well made product, the phone call stuff was enlightening. Even if it was "insiders" conversing. I'd love for Steve to call Gigabyte during a review like that ... "please hold while we direct you to someone that has no clue" ...
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One of the many reasons I only buy Nvidia hardware from EVGA. Their RMA process, the purchasing queue, quality hardware, and they work well with their customers.
@@TheCrazyCanuck420 The only reason I buy EVGA is to grab the 10 years extended warranty. When you invest 1K euros in something you d'rather not want it to be out of warranty after only 3 years.
Back in the 40-50s they predicted in the future we would have computers as large as skyscrapers! They were close in their predictions, except it would eventually be graphic cards as large as skyscrapers.
The E-leash is nice, but kinda feels like we need to go back to the old AT days where cases had a slot on the inside of the front to also provide support for expansion cards. I remember getting a Sound Blaster AWE32 and finally discovering what those little plastic rails at the front of the case were for. I've never seen another expansion card that large, but seeing as those little rails were common in cases I presume there was a standard max size for an ISA card that meant cases could be built and cards designed to add that extra support at the front.
Back in the day, motherboards were flat ont he table, so this would of been totally fine. It's when someone flipped themt o stand veritcal and the slots are hanging out in the air, that precipitates this problem because cards were never suppose tob e hanging sideways like this... ever. It's like mounting your fish tanks ideways instead of with the open top on skyward. The solution is to lay your comptuer on ti's side just like intendend like on the PC/XT/AT/Mac2 fx/Altair88/ et al. You placed yor ocmptuer on the desktop flat, not turn them into a cool looking tower skyscraper.
@@servantsochrist Problem are the PCI connector, that is rigid, it's gonna bend and potentially crack, and the motherboard itself. There's a reason why the produced included a support.
My friend was joking about doing a SLI system with the just announced 3090 TI Kingpin models. Asked him where he was gonna fit both 360mm radiators and install the special clothing dryer outlet to power it.
2080Ti: yeah, it sags a lil' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 3090TI: here's a crane to hold your card up in your case 4090Ti: Do you want an ITX motherboard and 1,5kW PSU with your card, that fits perfectly well within its cooling solution? 5095Ti: bring your own TARDIS
If this keeps up all future PCs will require a briefcase-sized external GPU dock, with its own 1000+W PSU and liquid cooling system. Absolutely ridiculous. Vega from DOOM draws less power.
If this trend continues, then for performance reasons, we'll just plug a CPU board into a PCIE slot in a video card, and I'm not joking. I mean NV just said they're going to put a CPU socket on some Hopper boards, that's literally one step away from that.
I'm a game developer, I work with Unreal Engine, 3ds max and blender, and... I use a gtx960 from 8 years ago XD. Yes, I can see the benefit of using such a monstrous GPU, but in the end you can work with almost whatever you have, and If I could choose, at that price range and power consumption, I would go for a standard 3090, before that thing. Not that I can afford a standard 3090 anyway.
Ok, I'm officially impressed with EVGA's engineering. While I'm not impressed with the 3090ti's, I will be looking to most likely get an EVGA card of the next gen graphics card this second half of this year. The cooling is very impressive, especially when it's air cooling a 500 watt power hungry card. Props to EVGA. If they can deliver similar results for the next generation of AMD 7000 series cards later this year, I'm sold. And as a side comment, I doubt, many users are going to be interested in getting an NVIDIA card that draws 600 watts and still falls short in terms of performance next to AMD's lineup due to power inefficiency.
@@GewelReal Yeah I agree, they make really well-engineered after-market cards. But if they don't make AMD cards, they should consider doing so if the next gen AMD cards are crowned.
It is going to be an interesting year with AMD and Nvidia actually competing with each other in performance again. Been way too long since AMD has been competitive in the high end of GPUs.
@@luminatrixfanfiction i don't think they can make amd cards, they have like an agreement or contract sth with nvidia, which is why they can keep their price so low near msrp
@@hofkingpin3216 Ah, that makes sense. Well, that's a shame as they make really good cooling solutions to tackle hot scorcher cards. Are you perchance, _the_ Kingpin?
Hey everyone, I recommend you go to 11:18 and watch Steve unscrew that plate with the GN toolkit. I'm totally plugging here, but that was what convinced me to go buy one. You might already have a good kit, but this kit doesn't require swapping bits. It's always ready to go and once I realized that, it was a no-brainer to get one. /end plug
@@Amocat1 GIF/JIF Tomato/Tomatoe Potato/Kartoffel/Aardappel TI/Ti/Tie/Tea I'm afraid its out of their hands, take it or leave it. Publics gonna speak it. Corps gonna cash it in regardless. Its irrelevant, only true trifling pedants waffle about inconsequential trivialities.
Totally looking forward to NOT upgrading to a 4000 series flagship (plus purchasing the massive PSU I'd need) for performance gains that aren't anywhere near proportional. Even if it guaranteed 144 fps + in the most demanding games I think I'd refuse the purchase out of spite. Nvidia needs to learn a hard lesson.
@Turkey Jeff I try to stick with my budget parts / build and make the best of it (OC'ing, relying on developers to optimize their games for PC, which they do very unreliably), not giving in to the trend necessarily. But I can understand your frustration. I guess it just hit harder now with the news/rumors that the power consumption will be such an absurd jump.
It honestly feels like we should just be getting stand alone mini-cases for GPUs that connect to your PC at this point. Attaching these monsters to a motherboard feels like we've reached our physical limitations.
Dammit i wanted to correct you but the most efficient washing machines draw slightly less power (493W). I'm not Shure if that is a fair comparison, considering that the we're comparing the GPU at 100% to the washing machine at Eco+ wontcleanshit mode, but still.
Actually around 500W with this custom model. Picture a 600W 4090, not hard to imagine after Hopper. Not sure if I have to cry, go in berserk modality or laugh like I never did before.
@Gareth Tucker Mate, it's worse than that. This cards are for people that don't care at all and that's even more dangerous. People that want to see the world burn, are crazy but not enough to not avoid fire that can burn them too. Those that doesn't care are blind fools that will let this world burn faster and will not see when the fire will hit them. When this will happen, they will complain others and keep burning. Meanwhile, everyone will pay for theyr ego. Insanity is becoming the new normality...
I run two of these in SLI! I’ll be adding them to my water cooling loop at some point. The thermals are terrible in SLI but if I could just get a custom water block for the top sandwiched GPU it would be fine. My metrics would be off the charts!
@@Qu33phTMMania Seems like an incredibly overpowered GPU to use exclusively for encoding though. You don’t really need SLI to be able to use two GPUs in the same system. 4090 Also has dual encoders
@@haven216 I’m also rocking the dell ultra sharp 8K Which with DLSS I can run like every game 8K 60fps everything. Especially games i emulate that can use sli. Like dolphin emulator. I also heat my entire office in the winter with my pc mining bitcoin.
Hey remember when the 750 ti was a super popular (and well loved) card because a very common config was to have it only powered by the pcie slot? Those were good times.
@@bootchoo96 yea but people generally poo-pooed the gtx 1650. The 1050 ti was also a generlaly liked card, but the 750 ti was really in a league of its own for the praise that it got. Honestly my favorite cards are always the pcie powered cards because they were plug in play in virtually any machine and got you usually competent/usable performance even if it was at lower settings. prevented a lot of dell OptiPlex's becoming e-waste.
It's so refreshing to actually see a well-engineered and functional product, considering how full the market is with cost-cutting and cheap, plasticky trash. For the price, well, it is what it is, it'll go down a bit later but right now, whoever wants and especially NEEDS a 3090Ti, wouldn't care too much if they pay 1500 or 2200.
7:31 Jay's video reviewing the card included him mounting it in a case. Even without the leash, it seemed pretty rock solid due to reinforcing the case bracket. I'd use the leash as a backup and make a tower crane construction themed build to incorporate it into the aesthetic, but I wonder just how much it's really needed.
Back in the day, I would watch content on these halo products with a healthy level of interest. Knowing that most people are buying readily available mid-range cards, it was fun to think about what you could get if money was no issue. These days, I look at products like this as manufacturers rubbing salt in the wound. GPUs are just starting to get closer to MSRP, sure. But several months back, while we were still looking at 200% or more pricing on GPUs, Nvidia was saying, "Now is the time we need to design and release an even more expensive card."
Ah come on, don’t be a spoil sport! Think of using the computer as a small space heater. This allows you to turn down the thermostat for the rest of the house. It’s an energy saver!
because most "environmental" stuff is bunk. global warming is real but its mostly natural. the earth heats and cools throughout time. if you truly care about the environment use nuclear energy
I think the larger questions are: how do you afford to pay your power bill? and how do you cool the room this thing runs in? It is basically a large electric heater that also does computer graphics.
the calculation is easy. you have your pc with this thing in it using 1kW - what is all heat - and you need an air condition in your room to kill the 1kW heat, what would take another 400W for the air condition to do that. so together you will have constant power use of 2,4kW to ensure your room has the same temperature as without your pc running... I guess alaska will become a popular place to live for nerds ;-)
@@gareth432 yeah, in cold winter this is all win, but I live in southern Florida where I don't ever need heat. Maybe I could make a second "dryer vent" to blow the heat out of my house.
@@gareth432 That's... Not how that works. You don't use 1400 kw to move 400 w, the 400 w moves the 1000 watts (and produces heat outside the house, which doesn't need to be moved). That's also not accounting for differences between ambient and optimal air temperature (in winter you wouldn't need to move the air at all).
After about a year of having mine, it's certainly warm but it's not the end of the world. A plug-in spaceheater would pull 1000w on low or 1500w on high, even having flashed the BIOS with a modded version that's unlocked up to 600w it pulls between 225-500w depending on what game I'm playing with the all-time high being 529w playing RDR2. My full system power use is about 800w with everything running at full tilt on a 1000w platinum rated PSU. Even if you add my monitor and all my peripherals at full power use, and the AC, and assume they're both running maxed out 12 hours a day at 14 cents a kilowatt hour which is more expensive than what I pay as well the yearly total for running all of this comes out to ~1500$ in electricity costs. As it stands my bill went up about 60$ a month when I first got everything running for a more realistic example. It's not free but it's far from being crazy expensive.
we need to reintroduce the card brackets on the front of cases for graphics cards, kinda like how they were used for long saggy full size boards in the 90s. Also i absolutely love the shape of this card. Big bulbous curvy brick of heat!
Dumb question - how close are we to "build your own graphics card" - modular GPU, memory, cooling, the works? GPUs have hit the point where they make up 2/3 of the value of some high end builds.
A good thing about not being able to afford this at this moment is that I can wait until 4090 TI with double the performance and maybe more affordable.
Sidebar, I love EVGA's customer support. It's nice to see that the engineering side's openness bleeds over to the end user side. I'm not normally a brand name kinda guy. But EVGA has my money when it comes to GPUs
It's funny because I made a handmade e-leash for my 1080 way back. Its 3 tie wraps in a loop that tie to the top of the middle side panel indent and wraps around both PCIE power connectors to the card. I didn't like the look of the card sagging and it triggered my OCD also.
I think we're getting to the point where card manufacturers need to start using liquid coolers because the efforts to relieve the mechanical stress at the pcie slot are getting ridiculous
They do. There are lots of cards that have factory water coolers. Self contained units and ones designed for custom loops, even hybrid models with heatsinks and fans on the VRM's and an AIO cooling the GPU + VRAM.
These things remind me of the heatsinks on some old minicomputers. When I worked at a server software test lab many years ago, we had an RS6000 based HP system with two processor boards with heatsinks about this size.
I don't see why at this point they don't just cool both sides of the card. I'd like to see numbers if heat pipes ran to the back so they could do 6 fans.
I just completely took apart my MSI RTX 2080 Super Gaming X TRIO. Replaced all thermal pads and thermal paste. My card had thermal pads on the capacitors and everything else they could think to put a thermal pad on. My temps dropped by about 10c. It had a lot of dust in it also. I cleaned each fan blade so its like new again.
Thats a thick heatsink but thin heatpipes. I wonder if it really worth for rendering too.For 1000$ maybe worth it. How much top end 24GB ram and the I9 12900k would worth on a board if it was a GPU?
We used to photoshop joke GPUs, mostly ridiculing 3Dfx and their Voodoo5 6000, back in the day. The RTX 3090 Ti is more of a joke than anything we photoshopped. That thing is huge (and ugly).
Am I the only one that noticed and is happy that the power connector is on the end instead of the side like most cards currently? Seriously, it's so much better on the end of the card.
Wow, this explains a lot. I was wondering why cpus were running so hot at 200w of power. It's the die size. 12th gen is basically 1/3 of this die and is pulling more than 200w. No wonder it goes to 90c with the best coolers.
The heatpipe on the backplate reminds me of the HD 5870, had one on the power delivery but that was even smaller. Can't think that that would be super effective.
that's the cooler/heatsink size I want to see becoming a standard for gpu's past xx70 no the puny little 2 slot ones which aren't even enough to cool a lower tier gpu... BIG Heatsink - yes, please.
That heat sink / vapor chamber solution is a work of art imo. Just love it. If only it was in the $600 to $700 price range 😁. I also noticed some additional pins below (or above) the 12 pin connector. I assume those tiny pins are per the ATX 3.0, ATX12VO Standard?
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Disappointing how condescending you are to the niche group of gamers who actually need GPU's like this and no most of us Pimax VR sim racers are not yacht owners probably because we have an expensive hobby. But that's the thing you're making fun of people because of their hobby, do you do that to bike riders? Plenty of MTB's cost more, like the new price of my carbon frame MTB that I bought for $600 second hand but cost more than that GPU new, do you think that original owner was a Yacht owner? Maybe he was an idiot to spend so much on a bike considering there are much better value options available. Yeah sure my VR sim Racing hobby is expensive and I hate the price of the GPU's I need but it is still less money than I spend on my son to go entry level real life kart racing.
They are going to need those coolers later this year when the 40 series launches. So this is a board partner practice run for the 40 series.
@@theauthenticsteve yeah but second hand carbon MTB's hold their value even after a few years, price to performance these GPU's are pointless to gamers and hold no reasonable value in future generations.
Liquid nitrogen it please
I love the very human aspect of the frequency and batch # hand written on the substraight.
i actually would have more confidence in a card like that because it had manual review of it. (obviously the ones without writing were too) but i like the evidence of it
*substrate
Yeah, reminds me of really old maker's marks you'll see on the inside of watches and stuff.
@@Lisa_Minci96 yeah that
@@Lisa_Minci96 don't kink shame
I wish these massive cards would start being honest and actually fully bracket for each pcie slot they prevent you from using. I'd bet that would go a long way in preventing gpu sag.
Definitely, well said
Forget GPU sag, it's getting to the point where you're gonna have to worry about case sag. There's not a whole lot of metal around the PCI brackets...
Jay mounted this in his review video and it was surprisingly nearly rock solid without the leash.
I recommend the Lian Li gpu bracket, I'm using one for my 3090. Does a good job. The leash is a okay concept but ugly.
Why would they do that when they can just charge you more money for a fucking string
Triple slot coolers
400+ watts from the wall
$2k+ prices
~8fps difference
Yep, it's gaming time.
Is such a joke it's actually sad
Also it's out of stock for some reason
@@frangarcia1699 no doubt they made about 500 of them.
@@frangarcia1699 3090 are still on higher price than 3090ti :')
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That's cool you get to call Jacob to figure that out. It's nice when you can actually get ahold of someone at a company, especially a direct call. Really adds a human element to the business. Bonus points to EVGA for having that representation and communication with content creators.
Cute poodle
Great vid! Ngl that TIE voice overlay jumpscared me a bit 😅
Would've been fitting, had the e-leash been tie shaped
It's up there with MLID pronouncing x86 as "times 86"
Oh man, missed opportunity
Don't worry Steve, the 4090 Tie will only come with one power cable, but you'll have to be sure to plug it into a different circuit from your PC.
The 4090 will require a C19 power cable straight to a wall socket.
@@Pyroteq With a 3-prong dryer plug on the end
@@razter6678 Nah, I predict it’ll use plugin you encounter with ovens and cookers. They’ll perform double duty.
No it will require you to have a three phase wall built into which ever room your going to put this PC in.🤭
@@phoenixfire8978 get 2 and use the backplates as a panini press
12:01 is exactly why I'm so terrified of GPU disassembly. Whenever I hear that noise I wonder if I'm about to snap the PCB clean in half...
What is really scary is seeing the $2200 pcb flexing.
yeah, that sound looks always of crushing layers to me, total fear
Yup I tried to take apart my 3060ti on the day I unboxed it, but the thermal pads acted like glue and I couldn't get it off at all, didn't want to force it. Was worried of breaking it
bought a gtx 1080ti and went the remove the backplate, ended up lifting off a vram chip off the back
i did not get a refund
That’s why I run a heat gun on the card or only open it after it’s been running for a few min under load.
Some 3090s can get destroyed if you don’t remove the cooler while it’s warm. No clue what’s happening there but it completely bricks the card. Fortunately evga is aware and accepts RMAs for it.
EVGA seems like a great company. Really makes you happy to see them being so open with you all for these reviews, hopefully it continues.
EVGA is one of the best companies to buy your parts from. Amazing service and warranty.
I got Evga 3090 and X570 Evga amd board to go with it
Would you rather them have called it a G-String?
I see what you did there 🤣
evGa-string
the Graphical Processing Unit String or for short G-String
@@slendydie1267 Yes well done. You dissected the joke. Congratulations.
@@slendydie1267 i thought it was more "G-string" as in "G-Force-string". 😂
Remember when 2 slot cards were considered massive?
How the times have changed...
I remember my 3dfx Voodoo3 single-slot GPU :)
right my msi gtx 1060 6gb was single slot dual fan card
right now i have nvdia rtx 3070 FE
@@CaptainScorpio24 3070 fe is pretty smol, although yes bigger than 1060s fs
I remember thinking cards would never get phatter than the Asus DirectCU II GTX 580
I used to think my GTX 660 DirectCU II OC was big but now it's tiny compared to modern cards
3090 TIE... This will destroy the rebels for sure.
“That’s no moon…”
"I've got a bad feeling about this."
So the RX 6950XT will be a TIE-Fighter? 🤣
@@johnscaramis2515 no, it will be an X-wing design, ofc..
All you gosh darn Star Wars nerds 🤓.. I love it :)
The 4090Ti will probably come with a telescopic support beam made from high-strength steel, occupy 5-6 Slots and draw 1000W.
4090Ti will be external GPU with its own PSU - maybe even little nuclear power plant or diesel generator (in price).
Unironically I would love to see a 4 slot card with 2 90mm fans the blow air along the card and out through the case slots.
they will ask you to just put the box underneath and make it out of steel.
We’ll need a motherboard EEATX or an EATXL
TBH 4k and beyond will probably just be it's own stand alone case. :D
Decorate the E-leash to look like a miniature rigging on a sailing ship and do a nautical themed build.
Or, decorate e-leash to look like Spiderman holding that train.
@Jim McIntosh Thank you. I'm not a sailor so I did not know the correct term.
PC Building in 2012: Unleash your GPU!
PC Building in 2022: E-leash your GPU!
This is underappreciated
Haha!
Like wtf was wrong with the traditional GPU support bracket? EVGA pulling things out of their ass now
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Leash other expenditures, E-leash your gpu!
I’m afraid of the 4090…
Seems likenthere are many more GPUs that need to last another generation... My 2080Ti will have to do exactly that...
@@Donnerwamp hey, the 2080ti is going to be useful for a long time. It might even be more relevant than the 3070 long term with the extra memory.
Go check out 'Captains Workspace' video on the 4090, he got an early sample
@@Zosu22 I'm not concerned with performance, it's plenty enough for the power draw, I'm more worried about the card aging and dying. Not only because a similar performing card is expensive, but because I really don't like the current offerings. I like the team green eco system with DLSS, Shadowplay and all that (so AMD isn't an option for now), but the current cards just draw waaaaay too much power for the performance. That's just not worth it to me.
@@Zosu22 People were complaining about the 2080 Ti value back then but I think it's a much better value than any other card ! It has 11GB of VRAM and you can Water-cool it + OC the shit out of it (I put a Kraken G12 + X62 on mine) and was able to OC the GDDR6 to 16.5Gbps and +245 MHz on the Core !!! I would get performance between a 3070 Ti and a 3080 !
I sold it to buy a 3090 because I have a 4K OLED TV and wanted the HDMI 2.1 for 4K@120Hz 12-bit Full RGB but I really loved my 2080 Ti 😇
They could've called it the Ti Tether, Top of the Case GPU Brace, GPU Suspender, EVGrAppler, or literally anything else.
Not anything else... 'Tie' definitely wouldn't end well
@@introprospector They could've called it the TiE!!! lol
I like Graphics Brassier or GPU Bra...all the support your sagging GPU needs.
Leash me E-daddy
I'd have gone with Ti Tie!
EVGA was solid on this, gonna keep that in mind for the future. Nice.
they are preparing for 500W+ of Ada lovelace flagship
Yea, not only did it look like a well made product, the phone call stuff was enlightening. Even if it was "insiders" conversing. I'd love for Steve to call Gigabyte during a review like that ... "please hold while we direct you to someone that has no clue" ...
this aged poorly 😭
Ordered a couple from my yacht and had my attendant watch your video. I was advised that you did a good job. My live-in technician likes your tool kit as well, perhaps he will find a surprise under his bunk in the near future.
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Seeing the interaction between Steve and a contact at EVGA was surprisingly interesting to me.
I'm still waiting for any answer from them since around 4 months...
One of the many reasons I only buy Nvidia hardware from EVGA. Their RMA process, the purchasing queue, quality hardware, and they work well with their customers.
@@TheCrazyCanuck420 The only reason I buy EVGA is to grab the 10 years extended warranty. When you invest 1K euros in something you d'rather not want it to be out of warranty after only 3 years.
Back in the 40-50s they predicted in the future we would have computers as large as skyscrapers! They were close in their predictions, except it would eventually be graphic cards as large as skyscrapers.
Reminds me of *Christmas Vacation* when the lights finally work and it shuts everyone else's power off lol.
Where would they put the micro-fusion reactor to drive the card to "ludicrous speed"?
Then raytracing is like "SH*TTER'S FULL!"
The E-leash is nice, but kinda feels like we need to go back to the old AT days where cases had a slot on the inside of the front to also provide support for expansion cards. I remember getting a Sound Blaster AWE32 and finally discovering what those little plastic rails at the front of the case were for. I've never seen another expansion card that large, but seeing as those little rails were common in cases I presume there was a standard max size for an ISA card that meant cases could be built and cards designed to add that extra support at the front.
Back in the day, motherboards were flat ont he table, so this would of been totally fine. It's when someone flipped themt o stand veritcal and the slots are hanging out in the air, that precipitates this problem because cards were never suppose tob e hanging sideways like this... ever. It's like mounting your fish tanks ideways instead of with the open top on skyward. The solution is to lay your comptuer on ti's side just like intendend like on the PC/XT/AT/Mac2 fx/Altair88/ et al. You placed yor ocmptuer on the desktop flat, not turn them into a cool looking tower skyscraper.
Considering the wattage, I'm disappointed they didn't mount anti gravity jets to keep the card from sagging. Shambolic effort
fibre glass is very strong....nothing to worry about....it's springy too so it goes back in shape.....like steel springs
@@servantsochrist Problem are the PCI connector, that is rigid, it's gonna bend and potentially crack, and the motherboard itself. There's a reason why the produced included a support.
The cards just got so advanced SLI has to catch up. Clearly you can't have the ultimate rig unless you SLI two 3090 TI's for ultimate power
might as well start investing in a nuclear plant to power the thing as well ...
My friend was joking about doing a SLI system with the just announced 3090 TI Kingpin models. Asked him where he was gonna fit both 360mm radiators and install the special clothing dryer outlet to power it.
@@frodolaggins6868 the guy has to run an extra power line into the bathroom just to power this monstrosity.
Only two? Peasant.
@@frodolaggins6868 you can run 2 3090ti on a normal 120v outlet. Upto 1500w
2080Ti: yeah, it sags a lil' ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
3090TI: here's a crane to hold your card up in your case
4090Ti: Do you want an ITX motherboard and 1,5kW PSU with your card, that fits perfectly well within its cooling solution?
5095Ti: bring your own TARDIS
6095Ti Super: Have you harnased the power of a black hole yet?
If this keeps up all future PCs will require a briefcase-sized external GPU dock, with its own 1000+W PSU and liquid cooling system.
Absolutely ridiculous. Vega from DOOM draws less power.
Vega is an environmentally friendly prius incomparison
If this trend continues, then for performance reasons, we'll just plug a CPU board into a PCIE slot in a video card, and I'm not joking. I mean NV just said they're going to put a CPU socket on some Hopper boards, that's literally one step away from that.
I'm a game developer, I work with Unreal Engine, 3ds max and blender, and... I use a gtx960 from 8 years ago XD. Yes, I can see the benefit of using such a monstrous GPU, but in the end you can work with almost whatever you have, and If I could choose, at that price range and power consumption, I would go for a standard 3090, before that thing. Not that I can afford a standard 3090 anyway.
The difference with EVGA's cards is only $80 if you can get them.
Ok, I'm officially impressed with EVGA's engineering. While I'm not impressed with the 3090ti's, I will be looking to most likely get an EVGA card of the next gen graphics card this second half of this year.
The cooling is very impressive, especially when it's air cooling a 500 watt power hungry card. Props to EVGA. If they can deliver similar results for the next generation of AMD 7000 series cards later this year, I'm sold.
And as a side comment, I doubt, many users are going to be interested in getting an NVIDIA card that draws 600 watts and still falls short in terms of performance next to AMD's lineup due to power inefficiency.
EVGA was always top quality
Also they don't make AMD cards, do they?
@@GewelReal Yeah I agree, they make really well-engineered after-market cards.
But if they don't make AMD cards, they should consider doing so if the next gen AMD cards are crowned.
It is going to be an interesting year with AMD and Nvidia actually competing with each other in performance again. Been way too long since AMD has been competitive in the high end of GPUs.
@@luminatrixfanfiction i don't think they can make amd cards, they have like an agreement or contract sth with nvidia, which is why they can keep their price so low near msrp
@@hofkingpin3216 Ah, that makes sense. Well, that's a shame as they make really good cooling solutions to tackle hot scorcher cards.
Are you perchance, _the_ Kingpin?
The presence of the "E-leash" leads me to believe that the cards have achieved full sentience, and are now shipping with pre-installed fetishes
Just need the E-Choker and ball gig
@@jsteezy80 lmaooo! E-choker and a BLUETOOTH ball gag
dont forget the plugs, never forget the plugs
Hey everyone, I recommend you go to 11:18 and watch Steve unscrew that plate with the GN toolkit. I'm totally plugging here, but that was what convinced me to go buy one. You might already have a good kit, but this kit doesn't require swapping bits. It's always ready to go and once I realized that, it was a no-brainer to get one. /end plug
Is this even a "card" anymore? More like a discreet graphics BRICK
I just LOVE how Steve is more confused by the support *thing* adjustment than by the card teardown itself
3090 ti is the GPU that you get more metal than performance improvements over 3090.
I watch GN strictly for the comedy at this point, considering the state of the market.
3090 ties is a lot of ties
ahh that's why it's so expensive!
@@Amocat1 GIF/JIF
Tomato/Tomatoe
Potato/Kartoffel/Aardappel
TI/Ti/Tie/Tea
I'm afraid its out of their hands, take it or leave it. Publics gonna speak it. Corps gonna cash it in regardless. Its irrelevant, only true trifling pedants waffle about inconsequential trivialities.
Nothing more satisfying than disassemble your own hardware and have a look at PCB design marvels
At this price point i would expect the components to be soldered on straight and not crooked like the inductors at 14:05
Really impressive engineering and design, I hope these concepts port to the top 40 Series cards.
Totally looking forward to NOT upgrading to a 4000 series flagship (plus purchasing the massive PSU I'd need) for performance gains that aren't anywhere near proportional. Even if it guaranteed 144 fps + in the most demanding games I think I'd refuse the purchase out of spite.
Nvidia needs to learn a hard lesson.
@Turkey Jeff I try to stick with my budget parts / build and make the best of it (OC'ing, relying on developers to optimize their games for PC, which they do very unreliably), not giving in to the trend necessarily. But I can understand your frustration. I guess it just hit harder now with the news/rumors that the power consumption will be such an absurd jump.
Well, done, Steve and GN team!
Thanks for all your hard work, & your exceptional quality of in-depth analysis and journalism.
It honestly feels like we should just be getting stand alone mini-cases for GPUs that connect to your PC at this point. Attaching these monsters to a motherboard feels like we've reached our physical limitations.
eGPU enclosures already exist.
@@LohJiaHung Not common on Desktop though. They're more a laptop thing right now
@@tempofugo168
You can use them on desktop too, but having "specialized" eGPU for desktops would be interesting
As an electrical engineer it’s always refreshing to see your uploads. Thank you!
Ah yes 400W+, gaming while using more electricity than a washing machine.
Dammit i wanted to correct you but the most efficient washing machines draw slightly less power (493W).
I'm not Shure if that is a fair comparison, considering that the we're comparing the GPU at 100% to the washing machine at Eco+ wontcleanshit mode, but still.
@@Ocastia well your washing machine usually also only runs for 1-2h at a time
Actually around 500W with this custom model. Picture a 600W 4090, not hard to imagine after Hopper. Not sure if I have to cry, go in berserk modality or laugh like I never did before.
@Gareth Tucker Mate, it's worse than that. This cards are for people that don't care at all and that's even more dangerous. People that want to see the world burn, are crazy but not enough to not avoid fire that can burn them too. Those that doesn't care are blind fools that will let this world burn faster and will not see when the fire will hit them. When this will happen, they will complain others and keep burning. Meanwhile, everyone will pay for theyr ego. Insanity is becoming the new normality...
I run two of these in SLI! I’ll be adding them to my water cooling loop at some point. The thermals are terrible in SLI but if I could just get a custom water block for the top sandwiched GPU it would be fine. My metrics would be off the charts!
I have one question.
Why?
@@haven216
I’m a live streamer. I play my games 4K max everything @ 60fps with one card and stream / encode from my other card.
@@Qu33phTMMania Seems like an incredibly overpowered GPU to use exclusively for encoding though. You don’t really need SLI to be able to use two GPUs in the same system. 4090 Also has dual encoders
@@haven216 I’m also rocking the dell ultra sharp 8K
Which with DLSS I can run like every game 8K 60fps everything. Especially games i emulate that can use sli. Like dolphin emulator.
I also heat my entire office in the winter with my pc mining bitcoin.
Hey remember when the 750 ti was a super popular (and well loved) card because a very common config was to have it only powered by the pcie slot? Those were good times.
1050ti is also pci-e powered, gtx 1650 too
@@bootchoo96 yea but people generally poo-pooed the gtx 1650. The 1050 ti was also a generlaly liked card, but the 750 ti was really in a league of its own for the praise that it got. Honestly my favorite cards are always the pcie powered cards because they were plug in play in virtually any machine and got you usually competent/usable performance even if it was at lower settings. prevented a lot of dell OptiPlex's becoming e-waste.
I'm still rocking one ^^'
The next version of a Ti card will require a house breaker circuit labeled GPU.
Never seen a 5A breaker in a house before...or a 10A either. What mains voltage are you running?
It's so refreshing to actually see a well-engineered and functional product, considering how full the market is with cost-cutting and cheap, plasticky trash. For the price, well, it is what it is, it'll go down a bit later but right now, whoever wants and especially NEEDS a 3090Ti, wouldn't care too much if they pay 1500 or 2200.
7:31 Jay's video reviewing the card included him mounting it in a case. Even without the leash, it seemed pretty rock solid due to reinforcing the case bracket. I'd use the leash as a backup and make a tower crane construction themed build to incorporate it into the aesthetic, but I wonder just how much it's really needed.
Back in the day, I would watch content on these halo products with a healthy level of interest. Knowing that most people are buying readily available mid-range cards, it was fun to think about what you could get if money was no issue.
These days, I look at products like this as manufacturers rubbing salt in the wound. GPUs are just starting to get closer to MSRP, sure. But several months back, while we were still looking at 200% or more pricing on GPUs, Nvidia was saying, "Now is the time we need to design and release an even more expensive card."
Well put
The extra steps you take to get as much information as possible is amazing. Sub for life!
What happened to the power efficiency trend? It's the new decade so the environment is automatically not a problem?
Ah come on, don’t be a spoil sport! Think of using the computer as a small space heater. This allows you to turn down the thermostat for the rest of the house. It’s an energy saver!
Nvidia
"And I took that personally"
@@ronkemperful lol when I was living in a studio I literally never turned the heat on cause I had GPUs :D in fact sometimes it was too warm.
Flagship cards were never about efficiency, they're always pushed way past the peak of the efficiency curve to squeeze out those last few MHz.
because most "environmental" stuff is bunk. global warming is real but its mostly natural. the earth heats and cools throughout time. if you truly care about the environment use nuclear energy
EVGA’s interactions on this, and other reviews on your channel, are why I picked EVGA for my card. Not a 3090, but, yeah.
That's a sharp looking video card. A gentleman's GPU.
I always love when Jacob is called without warning. He's a champ.
When my graphics card consumes as much power as my vacuum cleaner, I know it's time to stop vacuum cleaning to save on the electricity bill.
Yeah I would do the same lol
Hahaha
Just install better dust filters and crank up the cooling fans
So Nividia become the competitor for Dyson right now?
I just wash the floor by hand with Windex now.
10:19
"So this is just connected to the PCB
That's the LED
That's not connected to the backplate
That's awesome to see"
Such poetry.
So, the 3090ti is an overclocked, better cooled 3090 with a TIE.
Please let me know which software can add hundreds of physical cores to my 3080 Ti. Thanks in advance.
Please let me know which software can add hundreds of physical cores to my 3080ti. Thanks in advance
Yes
It's got a couple more cores
@@brandonjohnson4121 You mean the +5% amount of Cores is going to change EVERYTHING and run Cyberpunk 2077 at 4K 120fps with RT & Psycho settings ?! 🤪
Jacob seems like a decent guy, I'm glad you were able to include that bit in the video.
I think the larger questions are: how do you afford to pay your power bill? and how do you cool the room this thing runs in?
It is basically a large electric heater that also does computer graphics.
I mean, every computer is a large electric heater that also does computer things. This thing's just an enormous one.
the calculation is easy. you have your pc with this thing in it using 1kW - what is all heat - and you need an air condition in your room to kill the 1kW heat, what would take another 400W for the air condition to do that. so together you will have constant power use of 2,4kW to ensure your room has the same temperature as without your pc running...
I guess alaska will become a popular place to live for nerds ;-)
@@gareth432 yeah, in cold winter this is all win, but I live in southern Florida where I don't ever need heat. Maybe I could make a second "dryer vent" to blow the heat out of my house.
@@gareth432 That's... Not how that works. You don't use 1400 kw to move 400 w, the 400 w moves the 1000 watts (and produces heat outside the house, which doesn't need to be moved). That's also not accounting for differences between ambient and optimal air temperature (in winter you wouldn't need to move the air at all).
After about a year of having mine, it's certainly warm but it's not the end of the world. A plug-in spaceheater would pull 1000w on low or 1500w on high, even having flashed the BIOS with a modded version that's unlocked up to 600w it pulls between 225-500w depending on what game I'm playing with the all-time high being 529w playing RDR2. My full system power use is about 800w with everything running at full tilt on a 1000w platinum rated PSU. Even if you add my monitor and all my peripherals at full power use, and the AC, and assume they're both running maxed out 12 hours a day at 14 cents a kilowatt hour which is more expensive than what I pay as well the yearly total for running all of this comes out to ~1500$ in electricity costs. As it stands my bill went up about 60$ a month when I first got everything running for a more realistic example.
It's not free but it's far from being crazy expensive.
we need to reintroduce the card brackets on the front of cases for graphics cards, kinda like how they were used for long saggy full size boards in the 90s. Also i absolutely love the shape of this card. Big bulbous curvy brick of heat!
Dumb question - how close are we to "build your own graphics card" - modular GPU, memory, cooling, the works? GPUs have hit the point where they make up 2/3 of the value of some high end builds.
Not close enough!!!
Thanks for highlighting the e-leash and its highly intuitive installation process.
A good thing about not being able to afford this at this moment is that I can wait until 4090 TI with double the performance and maybe more affordable.
Спи и надейся) там максимум 30% припрост будет с ещё большим потреблением
Ну и цена на 4090ti будет в полтора раза выше чем на 3090ti
Sidebar, I love EVGA's customer support. It's nice to see that the engineering side's openness bleeds over to the end user side.
I'm not normally a brand name kinda guy. But EVGA has my money when it comes to GPUs
It's funny because I made a handmade e-leash for my 1080 way back. Its 3 tie wraps in a loop that tie to the top of the middle side panel indent and wraps around both PCIE power connectors to the card. I didn't like the look of the card sagging and it triggered my OCD also.
All those leads and that power consumption is giving me flashbacks to the Voodoo 5 6000 with it's external power supply connection.
The e leash is actually the TIE
Shoutout to Jacob at EVGA for getting back to you
I think we're getting to the point where card manufacturers need to start using liquid coolers because the efforts to relieve the mechanical stress at the pcie slot are getting ridiculous
They do. There are lots of cards that have factory water coolers. Self contained units and ones designed for custom loops, even hybrid models with heatsinks and fans on the VRM's and an AIO cooling the GPU + VRAM.
Bought this card for $900 open box special. I wouldn’t have got it if EVGA would be making 40 series cards
Should have named these "titan something" instead of 90 series tbh.
Bruh that voice overlay scared the crap out of me
A tear-down of a card designed to tear a hole in your pocket.
They were made for people with really large pockets.
and your motherboard, with that sag
And in your electrical bill LOL
This looks like a fantastic card to mount upright in my modern pc case with tempered glass and fully-sealed plastic front panel.
Needs a really large warning label on amount of space it takes.
For anyone who is curious, the Tool set with roll up bag is awesome. Nice tools with space saving bag makes it amazing.
Can't wait for PCI-E to be outdated due to shear weight of the cards
This is the perfect place to make a sheer/shear typo
These things remind me of the heatsinks on some old minicomputers. When I worked at a server software test lab many years ago, we had an RS6000 based HP system with two processor boards with heatsinks about this size.
I don't see why at this point they don't just cool both sides of the card. I'd like to see numbers if heat pipes ran to the back so they could do 6 fans.
I love these teardown videos. "Back to you, Steve."
Mod idea: Desolder the 3090 Ti memory chips from two 3090 Tis and check if you can build a 48 GB 3090 :)
I love that your videos are for the pc tech nerds like me. Really like your videos
i miss the days when it was like "wow a triple slot card?? can they even do that" and now its like "ok 3.5 that's cool i guess"
A real thing of beauty. EVGA's board and cooler design is always so cool.
How could there be space for a second 12-pin connector... that would imply they originally designed this card to draw 900w!
No it means this card is designed with future use in mind.
4000 series
I just completely took apart my MSI RTX 2080 Super Gaming X TRIO. Replaced all thermal pads and thermal paste. My card had thermal pads on the capacitors and everything else they could think to put a thermal pad on. My temps dropped by about 10c. It had a lot of dust in it also. I cleaned each fan blade so its like new again.
Thats a thick heatsink but thin heatpipes. I wonder if it really worth for rendering too.For 1000$ maybe worth it. How much top end 24GB ram and the I9 12900k would worth on a board if it was a GPU?
That tie joke, just like the goat in the motel room, will never get tired.
We used to photoshop joke GPUs, mostly ridiculing 3Dfx and their Voodoo5 6000, back in the day. The RTX 3090 Ti is more of a joke than anything we photoshopped. That thing is huge (and ugly).
It took an extra 22 years but we've finally built the BitchinFast 3D 2000
@@shukterhousejive they've released the 2022 now
Am I the only one that noticed and is happy that the power connector is on the end instead of the side like most cards currently? Seriously, it's so much better on the end of the card.
I'm waiting for the 5060ti that will have 10% more performance @ 50% power than this thing.
18:15 It looks like the two spots of sparse compound may have been where the screws were tightened more than the adjacent screws.
Waited for it!
Wow, this explains a lot. I was wondering why cpus were running so hot at 200w of power. It's the die size. 12th gen is basically 1/3 of this die and is pulling more than 200w. No wonder it goes to 90c with the best coolers.
They are likely forced to bin those chips to keep the thermals nominal. They can't have their flagship products perform mediocre.
Yeah, that's normally how it works
The heatpipe on the backplate reminds me of the HD 5870, had one on the power delivery but that was even smaller. Can't think that that would be super effective.
that's the cooler/heatsink size I want to see becoming a standard for gpu's past xx70 no the puny little 2 slot ones which aren't even enough to cool a lower tier gpu... BIG Heatsink - yes, please.
Well it’s not like they have a choice with such high tdp
That heat sink / vapor chamber solution is a work of art imo. Just love it. If only it was in the $600 to $700 price range 😁. I also noticed some additional pins below (or above) the 12 pin connector. I assume those tiny pins are per the ATX 3.0, ATX12VO Standard?
I dont understand why they don't just sell these things with water coolers lol