The Contrarians Presents: Defending the 80s against the 70s
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- This crew takes a stab at explaining why or why not the 80s was a better decade for music than the 70s! What's your take? Let us know in the comments!
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Faith No More. Husker Du. The Replacements. The Pixies. Many great groups in the 80s.
Absolutely! I love the '70s more but I also love all of the bands you mentioned here, especially Husker Du.
the cocaine energy of the 80's made lot's of plastic sounding tunes
Exactly. Coke and synths really had a negative influence on rock music. It got very tired sounding from 1982-86 in particular. Some of the stuff from the 80s sounds a lot more dated than the 70s.
As Frank Zappa said, 'Oh no, it's the 80s again!'
I prefer the 80s because I think underground stuff is being largely overlooked. Hard-core Punk, industrial, and lesser known bands like one of my favorite bands, Killing Joke. Killing Joke started late 70s, but my 2 favorite albums are in the 80s
Great band! R.I.P. Geordie Walker who IMO put that soundscape stamp in their discography. I don't know if they can carry on without him but as charismatic and talented as Jaz Coleman is, I feel he can carry the torch along with Paul Ferguson if they wish to continue on.
Brighter than a 1000 suns is so underrated
@Mike-aka747 I agree. Not my favorite album by them, but it has strong songwriting and is very unfairly maligned. It's solid. Their worst album is 'Outside the Gate.' I own it anyway.
@@barelymanilow7079 agree. OTG is their worst album but I still like it some of the tracks.
Number of the Beast sounds dated. Sticky Fingers does not.
The 1970's SMASHES the 1980's. The glory years of the following artist's take place in the 70's.... Van Halen, Led Zeppelin, The Who, Queen, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, AC DC, Aerosmith, Cheap Trick, David Bowie,
Rush, Kiss. Even The Beatles, Jimi Hendrix and The Doors released albums in the 70's!!! All of these groups belong on the Mount Rushmore Of Rock. I love the 1980's including all of the New Wave and Pop but this is not a fair fight. The 1970's win this match up with a first round knockout! 🤘🎸🥊
Lots of good points you guys made for both sides.. For me the 70's rules all other decades. I would say the variety of music and the quality of the songwriting stand out.
I grew up in the 70's and 80's . I like music from both decades for different reasons. The big problem for me in the mid eighties was solid state amplification. Tube amps went away and guitars sounded too processed and lifeless . Love both decades though . ....
For me the 80s will be always associated with Reagan, Thatcher, materialism and the death of politics. It echoes in the music with the materialism of sex drugs rock'n'roll.
Exactly! Many look at the 80's with rose-colored glasses. There was actually a whole lot of bad about that decade that people ignore or just refuse to acknowledge.
I take your point. But the 70s also had major political issues as well, certainly in the UK. Which is why, for me I was only talking about the music.
@@parishofrock2963 indeed Parish! I think that in the 70s people were more political and that the 80s had this bubble of prosperity in the US. In the UK though with Maggie, there wasn't much prosperity
@@philip-edwardphillis4313 There wasn't much prosperity in the US under Reagan. He totally dismantled FDR's "New Deal" and was a stooge to corporate power. Homelessness exploded under him. Wages began to stagnate and didn't keep up with inflation, cost of living, and worker productivity. I would say that Reagan did more damage to this Country than any other President.
Rainbow Rising, Virgin Killer, Deep Purple in Rock, Live and Dangerous, Alive!, Sticky Fingers, Who's Next...I value the 70s way more over the 80s. The mid 80s is about where MTV really started to take over and my beloved classic metal started getting trampled on by hair rock (or whatever you call it). Either that or there appeared albums like Turbo, Hysteria, Slip of the Tongue (huge disappointments for me).
70s for sure. 80s are the 2nd best decade with the great metal , but 70s wins this battle. And, i turned 21 in 84, so the 80s were my main decade, but still no.70s rule.
I agree with Pete that all decades have a carry over from the previous decade. Things don't change instantly when the clock hits midnight and it's January 1. Also as a metal fan the 80s are hard to argue against for me.
John Taylor's bass playing in Duran Duran's albums through Notorious is great. His bass lines on the Rio album are epic!
@@patriottex4813 Speaking of great bass playing from the 80s, the bassline on Joe Jackson's Steppin' Out is killer as well. Especially live.
Amazing discussion! I really can't decide whether I like the 70's or 80's better. It just swings from day to day, week to week, year to year, etc. I grew up in the 80's, but heard ALL that stuff back then and now as well. Both decades offered a lot IMO. The biggest problem with the 80's is how it ended. It burned so hot and so bright but garbage marketeers and garbage music (Milli Vanilli scandal, boy bands in general, Hammer, Vanilla ICE, Debbie Gibson vs. Tiffany, Phil Collins doing yacht rock after such a great decade of music), yeah, it ended badly! MTV helped bring up so many genres, but starting in the late 80's, the over-saturation just burned us out. I think this is why Grunge hit so hard from 1991-1995. It was super fresh, had good but also very raw production and basically bridged punk and metal together, which led to alternative and obviously, nu-metal. Great discussion BTW!
I’m a bigger fan of the 70s… BUT he is right about the live albums of 70s.. case in point: Paul Mccartney & Wings “Venus & Mars” vs “Wings Over America” (one of my favorite 70s live albums) The V&M songs sound so much better live.. especially the opening medley. in fact a lot of Paul’s solo stuff sounds better live on “Wings Over America” My Paul 70s collection only persists with only 2 albums: “Ram” and “Wings Over America”…
Early 80’s r and b is perfection. Sirius XM the groove station can be listened to all day. MJ’s Off the Wall is and example of those perfect songs. When you mentioned “orchestration “ Kashmir started playing in my head.❤. But the 80’s? Wow. Listen to Southern Fried rock, even when it’s snowing, and it’s immediately Summer. Also loved the saxophone being EVERYWHERE in 80’s rock.
Hammond Organ rules!
Absolutely. If Peter Jones likes it, it’s got to be good! I just don’t like it personally😂I
@@parishofrock2963 So you don´t like Deep Purple?
@@jimekbergI like them, but I’d like them more without the organ.
@@parishofrock2963 What about child in time, great organ in that one i think.
I totally get the British seaside reference! I grew up on the Suffolk coast and kind of dig that sound, but if you don't like hammond organ you will have problems with songs like 'House of the Rising Sun' and 'Nights in White Satin' which are absolutely dripping with it!
I do think though that Jon Lord was one of the greatest exponents of Hammond organ and any type of keyboard in a rock setting. Sure, being classically trained he did the amazing virtuoso passages but also knew that a big part of the job was riffing along with Ritchie and keeping the chugga-chugga going during guitar solos. So, he played a huge part in making them very heavy!
To me, I look at the multiplication of genres in the 80s as a negative. It gets confusing. Maybe not for a youngster, but for an oldster like me, to have sub-genres and sub-genres--and sub-sub-sub genres. The 1970s was much simpler in that respect. And to the point of radio, there was a time when you could hear Glenn Campbell and Led Zeppelin on the same station. They didn't compartmentalise Yacht Rock with Heavy Metal. Rock music was Rock music, and it was all lumped together
Southern Rock suffered almost the same fate as Prog rock did in the 80s, but there was one exception: 38 Special. Somehow, 38 Special defied all the odds that had befallen Molly Hatchett, Blackfoot, Marshall Tucker, by making good enough hook laden tunes and sexy videos that 80s kids could relate to, and they never had to sell out to the "almighty synthesizer" to do it. They were the "Def Leppard of Southern Rock"
Martin makes a good point about self-awareness, that you can view either way. The hard rock bands of the 70s seemed naive in retrospect, not having an expected sound or template. Then the same bands in the 80s seemed more aware of what people wanted to hear. So would you prefer ZZ Top's 'Tres Hombres' and its eclectic mix of songs, or the more focused 'Eliminator'? What about Priest's 'Sad Wings of Destiny' compared to 'Screaming for Vengeance'? All great albums, but the 80s releases suggest bands that knew what was expected of them.
If you like heavy rock it was 80’s. There probably was more variety of music on the radio in the 70’s, but most of it kinda sucked. 80’s win!
I really like the early 1980's. There was a lot of innovation and creativity going on at the start of the decade but that got lost starting in the mid 80's when there was too much reliance on synthesizers. Plus, I hate the production sound of the late 80's. Artificial, cold, overly polished, weak. And there's all the generic sappy ballads and horrible hair band crap. In the mid 80's, it started to become all about the look, the money, and getting laid. Even once great artists from the 70's were phoning it in. Now saying all that, there was still some good music being made in the later half of the 80's. Speed/thrash metal and indie/alternative rock for example.
80s easy. Glam/hair, trash, heavy metal, aor. My favorite bands like Blackfoot, Y&T, Dokken all ruled the 80s so its an easy choice.
70s you had some great classic rocks but I'm not big on prog so you had some great genres like southern rock and classic rock like foghat, foreigner etc the rest not so great.
Well, Hardcore Punk, Alternative Bands like Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr., Hüsker Dü and everything that bled into the 90s, the emergence of Thrash Metal, Death Metal, Rap artists like Public Enemy, NWA, Beasty Boys, Pop like Prince, Madonna, Synth Pop like Depeche Mode, Goth Groups like Bauhaus, early Cure, the Jangle guitars of The Smiths, New Wave like New Order, Dance Projects like Inner City and Detroit Techno, Chicago House … all influential today! That‘s more my cup of tea… less variety? Nope!
Lots of variety in the 70s, but of a much higher quality !
@@paulbrookes413 depends what definition you use for quality. Frankie Goes to Hollywood "Relax" was constructed in 3 months by Trevor Horn... to yield something as driving as that, which made people universally dance to, is art in itself. I am not talking about musicianship, but inventiveness.
Consider the keyboard sound on Purple's Burn vs Rainbow's Spotlight Kid. The 70's win this time. Also 90's definitely not better than the 80's
70s for me i dont think harmonizing and singing eere grrat except years for fears culture club maybe 5 more im forgetting 70s you had little river band dr hook eagles doobies brothers cristopher cross stevie wonder spinners wings and many more great sing voices and of course hard rock i loved purple grand funk nugent nazereth aNd many more 70s for me
Kudos to John the Music Nut. You nailed it brother! We Built This City, I hate that too! Not sure who the "we" is on Parish Of Rock so called big 4. But most of his big 4 are laughable to say the least. This is not to say all music from the 80's was shit just that The 70's rule all other decades so far.
The “We” was me & my mates based on the support tours those bands landed, the size of venues they could sell out, & the hype by the UK music press at the time, particularly Sounds & Kerrang.
Thank you brother! And thanks for watching the show!
What a fantastic discussion. All five on the panel are so informative and thought provoking. Cheers!
Thanks, appreciate the compliment.
Thank you Kenneth! Cheers!
I like both decades, but like the late 70’s and early 80’s transition a lot because of punk, post punk and ska, traditional rock bands were lost because of disco and didn’t really release much that was great, but punk and eventually post punk took charge of rock music.
The 70's all day and every day including leap years and mercury in retrograde.
Here's why: The 80's are the shining example of what corporations do to a product. They take it too far and turn it to shit.
Too many great musicians were chasing trends in the 1980s. Then there was MTV.
@@leepassmore7032 In the early days, MTV was great. Lots of diverse artists/bands being played. That changed when they were bought out by Viacom in the mid 80's. It was all downhill from there.
@@jasongaylor2232 Yes!
The 70´s wins for me, most of my favorite bands did their best music then but i really like a lot of the 80´s too.
Musically and sonically the eighties Introduce the c d.. And It changed music forever...but the 70's was my beginning of big hard bands,sabbath zeppelin, purple ufo, priest....70's for me.😎👍🎸🎼
Powerful statements, I feel like both sides' arguments really sold their ppints and left me feeling conflicted on which is best 😅
I think the 90's were the best decade with the 80's comming in second. Next cuold be the 2000's and the 70's. The 70's were a time of innovation in music, of course the 70's were very important, but besides punk and post punk I rarely listen to anything from the 70's or the late 60's, maybe some Bowie.
Every decade has something to offer. With some decades you just have too look harder.
The 60's and 70'als were special because so much groundwork of popular music was made.
As decades my personal preferences are the 70's and 80's. And after that there were still many great bands and i mostly buy new music (mostly young band making old genre music with new sounds and styles).
Listenes to a podcast with Steven Wilson. For him the 80's were the most experimental because then non-musicians were making music and come up with different stuff.
Agreed. There is great music from every decade 👍
Excellent points here. For me, by around 1995, I had to look harder.
I'm among other thing into metal/stoner/psych and there's some fantastic stuff after 1995.
I also really like hearing new stuff from young bands that i can still catch live.
In my opinion there is nothing can beat the period 1972-1983 in music. I was born in 1974 and heard almost everything on radio here in Sweden. Like everybody else I formed an opinion on music and for me radio and hit list music never did it for me. As a kid and teen I would go to record shops and listen to what they were playing, if they dared go against the grain and play what they actually liked. I then came away from there with music inspirations that I still keep today. After 1983 it slowly went downhill but I don't see 1991 as a game changer anymore. I'm not sure when the change came but after 2005 I actually cut off most of contemporary music. Took me years to get back
Can’t disagree
The 80’s was hard rock and heavy metal heaven, The 70’s had some great hard rock and heavy metal bands, but they had more of the legendary rock bands at their peak.
The 80s was great till about 1985. It sucked after that.
Hi Lance! There was some great stuff after in my opinion. You just had to look harder for it sometimes. Thanks for your comment and for watching. Cheers!
Although I would go for the 80s, I so agree with Pete on the 70s production and especially the bass player’s role. Been listening a lot to Wishbone Ash lately and I just love both Martin Turner’s playing and how his bass sits in the mix! 70s drums are the best too, before all that gating and triggers coming in the 80s.
80s was so much better than the eighties, sure you had the giants priest, purple, sabbath but beyond that there wasn't much interesting going on, just some hippie and prog stuff. while the 80's has it all. music progressed so much in just a few years. So for me it's obvious, the 80's is easily the best decade for music, you can take underground bands from the eighties that nobody heard that were better than purple and led zeppelin.
"80s was so much better than the eighties". LOL Joke aside, to say that in the 70s "there wasn't much going on, just hippie and prog stuff" besides HM is a pretty lame argument. It was the prime decade for many genres: reggae, punk, jazz fussion, funk (EW&F, Chic...), R&B (Stevie Wonder), latin rock... Even hard rock - in my opinion. Not only that, it kickstarted music genres like: electronic music (Kraftwerk?), post-punk (Banshees, Magazine, Joy Division....).
It’s hard to break down the decades without qualifying Late 60s to Early 70s - classic rock, best for me.
Late 70s-Getting into disco & funk
Early 80s : New wave & college-birthed rock-love it!
Late 80s: Mostly ish for rock
Early 90s on down: Kurt Cobain,, Eddie Vedder, Layne Staley, Chris Cornell, my ❤
By the Late 90s, getting more pop-ish
I tuned out everything since but that’s on me. These are my personal listening trends.
Did the bass guitar disappear in the 80s? Yes and no. Yes, the 70s bass guitar "sounds" better (I'm thinking of bands like Uriah Heep, James Gang, Kansas, Bloodrock, April Wine), but I thought I lot of that had to do with production. The 70s album producers made sure the bass sounded brilliant--whereas 80s producer had kind of a "meh" attitude about the bass. Did bass players play a better groove in the 70s---yeah, that's partially right. but they also had a better sound, whereas in the 80s, if the producer did turn them up in the mix, they sounded clunky and uninspired
I cannot stomach music from the 80s it gives me such a bad vibe.
The one rock genre that suffered the most in the 80s was progressive rock. For those who love "prog"--it was the dark ages. Kansas, Styx, Rush, Blue Oyster Cult, Alan Parsons, Genesis, Yes made all their worst albums in the 80s.They couldn't compete with the new wave bands for synth pop, and they were largely "faceless", the music always having been of most importance, so they couldn't compete visually on MTV. So they floundered, and when they made half-hearted attempts to compete on the charts with the new bands, they fell flat on their face doing so. The only thing they could do was play the oldies in concert. hoping their old fans would still support them. But in a decade dominated by the return of the "early 60s" ethos of the 2 minute pop song and looks over music skill---it was a bad time to be those guys. But for those who loved everything else, the 80s was wonderful!
Does john the music nut have a channel or podcast?
Hi @willd4731. I do not. Thanks for asking and for watching the show!
It’s no easy task to compare music talent from decade to decade, too many factors affect the outcome like some of them mentioned by the different panelists; video play, radio play, technology, fashion trends, acquired taste, economy, music evolution, record labels influence, sales, etc etc etc. We get distracted and forget about the roots and the essence, that it is all about the songs, the lyrics and the melody. I personally give a slight edge to the 80s despite the trendy cheesy productions and sounds at the time.
Enlighting stuff people! Thanks!!! Cheers 🍻
The 1970s RULES!! So easily so, this quickly becomes a joke show.
One just to get reactions and comments, I get it. And I suppose I'm a fool for joining in.
I guess the best way to say this is ....besides the superiority in culture, styles (girls in the 70s...mama lucia!), cars, films, etc. and a far more cerebrally mature, deep thinking approach, you have (basically) all of the GREAT ROCK artists of the brilliant 1970s, becoming shells of themselves in the superficial, immature & idiotic 80s. Plus all of the excellent soul and funk acts, playing "real" instruments and making great music vs. the hand-clapping, empty, stupid, gloss funk that the 80s puked out
I mean would YOU rather live in a music world where the biggest artists are DAVID BOWIE, BLACK SABBATH, LED ZEPPELIN, JAMES BROWN, KISS, PINK FLOYD, EWF, DEEP PURPLE, AC/DC, ZAPPA, the "good" JUDAS PRIEST, ELTON & THE RAMONES
Or....
would you rather live with these:
Madonna, Michael Jackson, Poison, Bon Jovi, Prince, Wasp, Warrant, White Lion & Debbie Gibson.
* Not to mention the HORRIBLE production qualities, with the fake drums, headstockless guitars, keyboards and thin sound man'd by pony-tailed arrogant twits (not unlike your host here)
That's in ROCK and Pop. I did like certain music in the 1980s (and the early 80s was very good!...bleeding off the 70s), but yeah i liked certain 80s acts quite a bit....but it was all irreverent, cool music (eg, Iron Maiden, Kate Bush, The (earlier) Cure, Peter Gabriel, Devo, The earlier Cult, Bauhaus, Megadeth, etc.) vs. the lame-ass, general pop fitted with shoulder pads, crap instruments & ultra-teased hair.
That's enough. Im done with this. Honestly, this is like setting up a fight between MOHAMMED ALI vs. Jerry 'The Glassman' Finch.
The 1970s by a major knock out!
The only good things that happened during the 80s was influenced by the 70s, and HATING the goofy, childish 80s pop music that surrounded!
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I'm going to challenge you, for me 80's Sonic Yout is better than 70's Pink Floyd, nothing rivals 70's Bowie but you have artists like Kate Bush, Gabriel, Elvis Costello, Iron Maiden is better than Deep Purple, 80's Metallica better than Judas Priest, Prince better than James Brown, 80's Ramones, 80's Cheap Trick and 80's Zappa kick ass too, you have all hardcore, all goth, all post punk, things like The Smiths, REM, Siouxie and the Baneshees, Bauhaus, Joy DIvision/New Order. Madonna and MJ are actually very cool. Devo, B'52's, Pretenders and Talking Heads are legends. The Cure and Depeche Mode are icons, concert favorites of all time. You have Husker Du, The Replacements, Cocteau Twins, the creation of rock en español, Hip hop, electronic music, I mean, the 80's gave us so much, later in the deacade Pixies, Janes Addiction, the early RHCHP, I could go on and on. Punk is from the 70's but I regullary don't think punk is 70's music, when I think of the 70's I think of singer- songwriters, hard rock, prog, very thin sounding records. If you need proof to know if the 80's are better than the 70's just look at vinyl prices from the era. I know Bowie and Pink Floys LP's are going up. But just try to buy Metal, post-punk or rock en español LP's from the 80's. What is more expensive? A Rush or an Aerosmith LP from the 70's or a Cure, Smiths or Slayer original from the 80's?
@@CultoalViniloyalCompacto-bx5mr Some pretty nonsense here. Let's dive in: "80's Ramones, 80's Cheap Trick and 80's Zappa kick ass too" - do they? I mean: KICK ASS??? Anyway, they are way worse than the 70's. "80's Sonic Yout is better than 70's Pink Floyd" - that's just matter of taste, but MUSIC CANON says otherwise. "80's Metallica better than Judas Priest" - I assume 70's JP - that's very, very questionable. "Prince better than James Brown" - I like Prince better, but to claim he is a better artist? Questionable! "Iron Maiden is better than Deep Purple" Well, no Gillan, no Bruce, (and some other factors) just a matter of taste. NEXT!!! "Devo, B'52's, Pretenders and Talking Heads are legends" - if Devo, B'52's, Talking Heads are legends (legends? really?) is pretty much because of their 70's material. (BTW: I love Chrissy, but Pretenders are no legends, 2 and a half great albums and lots of weak stuff). "post punk" - well it started in the 70s (Banshees, PIL, Magazine, Fall, Joy Division...) and how much is post punk influenced by the likes of Kraftwerk, Lou Reed, Iggy Pop, Roxic Music and Bowie??? "Bauhaus" I used to love Bauhaus when I was 14/17, but for decades I think they are overrated AF. To finish, "I regullary don't think punk is 70's music, when I think of the 70's I think of singer- songwriters, hard rock, prog, very thin sounding records" - Well, you've got a pretty narrow mind if you think in these terms. And I didn't even mention music genres that the 70's kickstarted and ruled: R&B (Stevie Wonder, Chic), power pop, reggae, jazz fusion, prog...
But I'll give you that: The Replacements rule!!!! And I'll give you a good point in favor of 80's: if want to mention a good band from the 80's, next time remember: My Bloody Valentine (and don't forget Jesus and Mary Chain). Cheers!
@@RodrigoAlves-bc8qq Ok, lets talk about decades and genres not just artists. More or less on one room I have all my 60's and 70's LPS, I have all disco, R&B, funk and soul on one group and all rock on the other group , from 66 to 79 (From the Beatles to Bruce Springsteen). On the other room I have all 80's and some 90's: Alternative music being the biggest category and also my favorite category meaning from the Velvet Underground, Bowie, Roxy Music, all punk, post punk, new wave, synth pop 80's indie. Then I have 80's pop and rock on other group like Bon Jovi or Michael Jackson (my least favorite category), then I have electronic and 80's funk, then all metal, then hip hop and finally rock en español. Why this makes sense to me? Because it feels homogenized, like they belong together. Going to make a video about this and going to explain why I like the 80's better over the 70's. Of course all of this is a matter of taste, I was just fooling around.
Aerosmith probably crossed over into the 80s better than anyone else who came out of the 70s, because they pretty much created the visual look and sound that the "Sunset Strip" glam metal scene was copying and had no trouble at all getting on MTV with that look and fitting in with the likes of their children like Ratt and Motley Crue
It would be fun to do 65 to 75 vs 75 to 85. Also, you could discuss how decades actually matter if they do. For instance, did anyone say "It's 2010, we need a new sound for the new decade?" The emphasis on the idea of decades seems like a flawed framework for discussion as you can record an album in 79 and release it in 80 but then for some reason it's lumped in with albums from 89, 88, etc.
You’re right, it’s an artificial line. But I guess so would 65 - 75 / 75 - 85 for the very reason that you state.
This has been one of the most interesting discussions on rock music I have ever listened to. Each person, as they spoke, introduced new angles and nuance.
I think of the 70s as that myriad that is rock, and the 80s as sophisticated pop - all good - but I ignore everything Metal, mainly because I have little interest in Metal, but still it was a huge movement of the 80s, whether I recognized it or not.
Thank you! You introduced so many intelligent perspectives, and without unnecessary controversies.
A master class.
Thank you Tim!
That’s really appreciated, thank you.
If you need proof to know if the 80's are better than the 70's just look at vinyl prices from the era. I know Bowie and Pink Floys LP's are going up. But just try to buy Metal, post-punk or rock en español LP's from the 80's. What is more expensive? A Rush or an Aerosmith LP from the 70's or a Cure, Smiths or Slayer original from the 80's?
Bingo! Production got better
The best time for music is always right now. There are decades to pull from. If you are getting specific, the 70s had Sabbath and ummm Sabbath, and did I mention Sabbath. Oh wait and Deep Purple.
Not true about AC/DC. When Bon Scott died in Feb 80’ they wrote and recorded after getting Brian on vocals. It was recorded in April-May of 80’ and released that July.
There is a recording of Bon singing the song Back in Black.
@@jimekberg Damn! I had no idea lol. So the album was pretty much more or less written and they just had Brian sing the songs they’d already written more or less
The issue with this discussion is that there so many shades of grey. The early 80’s vs the late 80’s may as well be 2 different worlds. Same with the 70’s. I do agree that that the 70’s were a time of more variety, but the 80’s were a fruitful time for music esp. new wave and metal.
Excellent points!
Pete nailed it
Excellent chat!
70s - Music's PINNACLE !!
Also Ram it Down was 88’ not 89’
Defending the 90s against the shit of the 1980s!!!
The '90s...?!🤣
The 90s were a great time for Death and Black Metal. The glory years for those genres imo.
@@SuperStrik9yeah, underground metal was amazing in the 90s. Doom and gothic metal also had their finest years this period.
@@jensnilsson1507 Granted the 80s were the greatest years for Thrash Metal there were still many great Thrash albums released in the early 90s as well. I could go on a mega naming spree. Gotta plug the band in my av with Evildead - The Underworld (1991). A Thrash 💎
I have no dog in this fight, but let's remember "Disco Duck" was a #1 single in the 70s. Don't try to tell me everything was about great songs and sophistication back then. There was crappy music and stupid fads in that decade just like every other one, it's just easier to forget the further away we get from that time. Case in point; not one mention of disco in this whole hour of talking about the decade.
These discussions, regardless of the decades we're talking about, always seem to boil down to rock fans getting upset that pop music has continued to evolve and develop as a genre moving ever further away from rock. I grew up in the 90s, and I have the same distaste for what today's pop has become, but I'm not so myopic I think it's a problem that culture moved on from the time and sound that defined me.
Not sure about the Disco Duck argument. Disco Duck's as bad as any Milli Vanilli song, but at least people knew it was a dumb/novelty song, unlike Milli Vanilli - that even got some Grammys.
@@RodrigoAlves-bc8qq Milli Vanilli was real music with a fake image. "Disco Duck" was unserious garbage, but those music fans during the glory days of 'sophisticated' music still ate it up, because they were suckers like everyone else.
The point I was making is that if you're going to have a fair discussion, you have to point out that every decade had its terrible music and trends. If all you do is compare the good parts of one decade to the bad parts of another, you're being dishonest.
Totally agree !@@channelsurfer3710
@@bgmchrisc thats my point with Milli Vanilli: crap is crap. I don't care for this "real musician" argument. If anything, that only make ir worse for Milli Vanilli. Disco Duck, just like Blue Monday, was created by real people, right? The point is not "how" it was done, but "what" was done. And Disco Ruck was not take seriously by "music fans". Yet, Milli Vanilli was taken very seriously (Grammys)
@@RodrigoAlves-bc8qq The 'how' is absolutely important.
Milli Vanilli was serious music that was presented fraudulently. The songwriters and singers involved were trying to make good music. "Disco Duck" was created as a cynical joke, and should have been treated as such.
70's produced the greatest rock. 80's not even close. British heavy metal, Metallica, and Thrash was great. American hair metal, new wave and synth heavy rock sucked.
As I've gotten older, I now appreciate "New Wave" quite a bit. A lot of it is quite good. And it's music that makes me feel great and instantly puts me in a good mood. You're missing out if you can't allow yourself to open thy mind. Late 80's hair metal, I agree though. Can't listen to that stuff anymore.
80s for me. John mentioned punk music being a 70s creature. In the US at least, punk music was very much alive in the 80s (Minor Threat, Black Flag, Bad Brains, etc.). I would argue the best American punk music was made in the 80s, not to mention the indie music scene. Also, some of the giants of the 70s arguably released their best albums in the 80s (Rush, Judas Priest, Blue Oyster Cult, etc.). Pop music was far more developed and interesting in the 80s, with brilliant releases like Prince's Purple Rain leading the charge. The 80s unleashed heavy metal to the masses as well as the underground, with a wide variety of styles to choose from .Electronic music went from a European niche product in the 70s to a wave that still influences today. The 80s brought more commercialism, but also a razor's edge to production techniques. A lot of 70s music sounds warm but also flat on record. 80s production is more atmospheric. Whether you enjoy rap music or not, it is fair to say that it is the most influential genre around today and dates its mainstream origin in the 80s. There was a good deal of cheesy material in the 80s, but that flaw is massively outweighed by the explosion of styles and techniques that we experienced.
Great call here @Aces_Eights. I am more of a 70s guy but there is still a lot to love in the '80s even if there is a lot of cheesy material. Thanks for watching!
@emusicnut5347 Thanks. I love the 70s as well. It was a great topic for discussion.
Outstanding show gentlemen 🎉
Thank you!